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GOOD EVENING RESIDENTS, STAFFS, FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, AND ALL THE RESIDENTS AT HOME.[CALL TO ORDER]
THE REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF NOVEMBER 10.I'M I'M SORRY, NOVEMBER 24TH, 2020.
AND WE'RE STARTING AT SEVEN, SEVEN OH FOUR.
UM, UH, MARCH 4TH, 2020, UM, GOVERNOR NEWSOME PROCLAIMING A STATE OF EMERGENCY IN CALIFORNIA.
AND AS A RESULT ON JUNE 18, 2020, THE CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORK ISSUED GUIDANCE MANDATING THAT PEOPLE IN CALIFORNIA WHERE CLOCK MASS IS LIKE, SEE, EVERYONE'S WEARING CLOTH MATH AND DUE TO THE ONGOING COVID-19 EMERGENCY AND PURSUITS TO STATE AND COUNTY PUBLIC HEALTH DIRECTIVES.
THE CITY COUNCIL CHAMBER WILL HAVE LIMITED SEATING AVAILABLE ON FIRST COME FIRST SERVE BASIS OF ATTENDING AND PARTICIPATE IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING IN PERSON, ALL PERSONS ATTENDING THE MEETINGS THAT REQUIRES TO WORK OFF MASS, UM, COVERING AND OBSERVED SOCIAL DISTINCT PROTOCOLS.
A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC MAY ALSO WATCH PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING LIVE ON WEB, UM, UH, CITY WEBSITES.
AND IF YOU EXPERIENCED SYMPTOMS THAT ARE FEVERS, CHILLS, COUGH, SHORTNESS OF BREATH, OR DIFFICULTY BREATHING, FATIGUE OR SORE THROAT, THE CITY REQUESTS THAT YOU PARTICIPATE IN THE MEETING FROM HOME BY WATCHING THE LIVE VIA THAT LINK SET FORTH AND, UM, REMOTE PUBLIC PARTICIPANT PARTICIPATIONS IN LIEU OF ATTENDING THE MEETING IN PERSON MEMBERS OF PUBLIC CAN SUBMIT PUBLIC COMMENTS VIA EMAIL, OR JUST A PLAN COMMISSION BY TELEPHONE.
USING THE METHOD DESCRIBED BELOW, WHICH IS EMAIL TO THE CITY CLERK@WESTCOMINA.ORG AND ALSO TELEPHONE ASSESSABLE, WHICH IS TO CALL BEFORE FIVE 30 OF THE MEETING, WHICH IS TODAY.
UM, AND WE HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION, ANY PERSON WISHING TO ADDRESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON ANY MATTER LISTED ON THE AGENDA.
WHAT, ON ANY OTHER MATTER WITHIN THEIR JURISDICTION IS ASKED TO COMPLETE A SPEAKER CARD, WHICH LISTS, UM, THAT'S PROVIDING A SPEAKER PODIUM AND SUBMIT THE CARD TO PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF MEMBER.
WE USED TO IDENTIFY ON THE SPEAKER CARD, WHETHER, UM, YOU ARE SPEAKING ON AN AGENDA ITEM OR NON AGENDA ITEM BECAUSE TO SPEAK ON NON-AGENDA ITEM WILL BE HEARD DURING ORAL COMMUNICATION BEFORE PUBLIC HEARINGS SECTIONS OF THE AGENDA OR COMMUNICATIONS ARE LIMITED TO A 30 MINUTES, GENERALLY COMMON SET LIMITS TO FIVE MINUTES PER SPEAKER, UNLESS FOR THE TIME IS COMMANDED BY THE CHAIRPERSON.
THE CHAIRPERSON MAY ALSO AT THIS TIME AT HIS OR HER DISCRETION FOR THE LIMIT, THE TIME OF EACH SPEAKER IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE A LARGE NUMBER OF SPEAKERS IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT THE BUSINESSES OR THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS, UM, EFFECTIVE WE'VE CONDUCTED.
SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE AND, UM, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE AND WITH ORAL COMMUNICATION.
SO I'M GONNA READ OFF THE ORAL COMMUNICATIONS FIRST, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TWO NON-PUBLIC HEARING MEETINGS TONIGHT, WHICH IS ONE IS FOR, WE HAVE A SHOPPING CENTER, WHICH IS ALMOST THREE AND A HALF ACRES.
AND THE OTHER ONE IS A LARGE SIGN ELECTRONIC SIGN.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TWO PUBLIC HEARING MEETINGS.
SO THE ORAL COMMUNICATION, THIS IS THE TIME WHEN ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC MAY SPEAK TO THE COMMISSION.
THIS HAS BEEN AN ORAL COMMUNICATIONS.
FIRST IS THE TIME WHEN MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC MAY SPEAK TO THE COMMISSION ON ANY MATTER WITHIN THE SCOPE OF DUTIES, SIGNED TO THE COMMISSION, WILLING TO NON AGENDA ITEMS OR CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS AND OTHERS, UM, MATTERS INCLUDED ON THIS AGENDA, MAYBE ADDRESS WHEN THAT IS UNDER CONSIDERATION FOR ALL ORAL COMMUNICATIONS, THE CHAIRPERSONS MAY IMPOSE REASONABLE LIMITATION ON PUBLIC COMMENTS TO ASSURE AN ORDERLY AND TIMELY MEETINGS.
THE ROUGH BROWN ACT LIMITS THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND SOUTH'S ABILITY TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THIS MEETING.
DOES YOUR COMMENT MAY BE AGENDIZED FOR FUTURE MEETING OR REFER TO STAFF? THE COMMISSION MAY ASK QUESTIONS FOR CLARIFICATION IF THESE ARE AT THIS TIME.
SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE IN A PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO, UM, I MIGHT SUGGEST, UH, MADAM CHAIR, A ROLL CALL AS WELL.
HOLTS RESIDENT COMMISSIONER HOKAGE HERE.
MISSIONER HOLD AND COMMISSIONER HANG.
UM, PLEASE JOIN ME WITH A MOMENT OF SILENCE AND THEN A PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
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PLEASE FACE THE FLAG, PUT YOUR HAND OVER YOUR HEART AND REPEAT AFTER ME[1. Regular meeting, November 10, 2020]
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY, UM, CHANGES TO THE MINUTE ON OCTOBER? UM, ACTUALLY NOVEMBER 10TH.THE MINUTES OF NOVEMBER 10TH, 2020 ARE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED AND THEN WE HAVE ORAL COMMUNICATIONS.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY CARDS FOR ORAL COMMUNICATION AND WE
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CAN BEGIN THE PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH IS ON ITEM NUMBER TWO.UM, APPLICANT IS JEFF TUCKER FOR BENTLEY REAL REAL ESTATE, LLC.
THE AFRICAN IS REQUESTING APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT THREE NEW SINGLE STORY COMMERCIAL BUILDING TOTALING 46,900 5,955 SQUARE FOOT ON A 3.67 ACRE PROJECT SITE.
THE THREE NEW COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS WOULD INCLUDE ONE 34,860 SQUARE FOOT RETAIL SPACE FOR THE MAJOR TENANT ONE THAT IS 7,595 SQUARE FOUR BUILDING THAT WOULD HOUSE MULTI-TENANT RETAIL USES WITH FIVE STOREFRONTS IN ONE THAT'S 4,500 SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT WITH A 525 SQUARE FOOT.
HOW DO YOU DRIVE THROUGH AND I'M SORRY.
UM, WE WILL BE HEARING STAFF, WE PUT MEETING AND THEN OPEN TO PUBLIC HEARING, MEETING AND TESTIMONY FROM THE FOLLOWING BY TESTIMONY FROM APPLICANT, THOSE IN FAVOR AND THOSE OPPOSED, AND THEN WE WILL HAVE A BIG PUDDLE.
SO, UM, WE'LL BE PRESENTING THIS ITEM PLEASE, RENEE OR, UH, YES.
CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TONIGHT, I WILL BE PRESENTING A COLLECTION OF ENTITLEMENTS FOR A PROPOSED NEW SHOPPING CENTER LOCATED AT 25 39 AND 25 ZERO FIVE EAST GARVEY AVENUE.
SITE FEATURES A 3.6 ACRE LOT OUTLINED IN RED BEFORE ME, UH, TO THE SOUTH.
WE HAVE THE 10 FREEWAY TO THE NORTH.
WE HAVE THE NISSAN DEALER TO THE WEST.
WE HAVE BOTH A SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND A MONTESSORI SCHOOL, UH, TO THE EAST.
WE DO HAVE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS.
MORE SPECIFICALLY, YOU MAY RECOGNIZE THE, UH, WELLS FARGO BUILDING ACROSS THE STREET, AND YOU ALSO HAVE THE, UH, EASTLAND CENTER ON, ON ITS WEST WING WHERE YOU HAVE SPROUTS AND, UH, UH, PLANET FITNESS AND SO ON AND SO ON.
SO HE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT REQUIRES A TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP TO ALLOW THE MERGING OF TWO INDIVIDUAL ONE PARCEL, UM, WHICH IS LOCATED AT 25 39 EAST GARVEY AVENUE IS 131 SQUARE FEET, UH, 131,000 SQUARE FEET AND PARCELED TO, UH, LOCATED AT 25 ZERO FIVE EAST GARVIN AVENUE IS ABOUT 28,000 SQUARE FEET.
THE MERGING OF BOTH PARCELS RESULTS IN ONE PARCEL THAT MEASURES APPROXIMATELY 160,000 SQUARE FEET.
THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT REQUIRES A PRECISE PLAN FOR THE SITE LAYOUT AND ARCHITECTURE.
THE MAJOR TENANT HAS REQUESTED APPROVAL FOR AN ADMINISTRATIVE USE PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR THE OFF-SITE SALE OF ALCOHOL TYPE 21.
AND YOU MADE NOTICE THAT THE STAFF REPORT SAYS TYPE 47.
SO HAVE A DRIVE REQUIRES A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AT THIS TIME.
THE APPLICANT HAS NOT PROVIDED A, UH, HAS NOT PROVIDED PLANNING STAFF OF BUSINESS OPERATIONS PLAN FOR THE PROSPECTIVE RESTAURANT.
THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT HAS ALSO BEEN REQUESTED FOR THE HEIGHT AND AREA OF BONUS FOR ONE FREEWAY ORIENTED SIGN.
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AND AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT, A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT IS REQUIRED WHEN A TREE OR A GROUP OF TREES IS REPRESENTATIVE OF A SIGNIFICANT PERIOD OF A CITY'S DEVELOPMENT.CURRENT SITE CONDITIONS INCLUDE ONE REMAINING DEALERSHIP.
MORE SPECIFICALLY THE LOTUS CAR DEALERSHIP.
THE REST OF THE LOT IS VACANT AS OF RIGHT NOW.
AS I MENTIONED, IT'S ABOUT A HUNDRED AND 160,000 SQUARE FEET.
UH, 34,860 SQUARE FEET WILL BE DEDICATED TO THE MAJOR TENANT 7,595 SQUARE FEET WOULD BE DEDICATED TO FIVE TENANT RETAILS SPACES.
AND LASTLY, THE 4,500 SQUARE FOOT COMMERCIAL BUILDING FOR THE DRIVE-THROUGH AND A 525 OUTDOOR SQUARE F 525 SQUARE FOOT OUTDOOR PATIO.
UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE DEVELOPMENT MEETS ALL THE REQUIRED SETBACKS, UM, AND THE MAJOR TENANT, AS YOU CAN SEE, BE POINTING WITH THE CLICKER HAS A 15 FOOT SETBACK TO THESE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES TO THE WEST AND A FIVE FOOT SETBACK TO THE NORTH, WHICH WOULD BE, UM, ADJACENT TO THE NISSAN DEALERSHIP.
AND THEN DOWN BELOW FIVE, FIVE FOOT SETBACK TO THE SCHOOL AND A 14 FOOT SETBACK WITH EIGHT INCH TO EAST GARVEY AVENUE ON THE FRONT.
AND THEN THE DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANT DOES HAVE A 20 FOOT SETBACK.
NOW THE TWO YELLOW STARS INDICATE BOTH PYLON SIGNS THAT ARE BEING REQUESTED THROUGH THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
THE YELLOW STAR WITH THE RED OUTLINE, UM, CLOSEST TO GARVEY AVENUE ON THE SOUTH, THAT WOULD BE THE FREEWAY ORIENTED SIGN AT 50 FEET IN HEIGHT.
AND THE YELLOW STAR WITH THE BLUE OUTLINE IS THE FREEWAY IS THE OTHER PYLON SIGN UP 40 FEET, 40 FEET FACING CITRUS STREET.
THAT WOULD BE ON THE UPPER RIGHT OF THE SCREEN.
TRASH CLOSURE IS PROPOSED TO BE LOCATED ON THE NORTH PART OF THE SITE.
AND THAT HAS THE BLUE STAR TRUCK LOADING IS LOCATED AT THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
AND TRUCK DELIVERIES WILL BEGIN FROM THE ENTRANCE OFF OF GARVEY ON THE SOUTH.
AND WE'LL EXIT EAST OF GARVEY, EAST OF GARVEY.
YES, ANY IMPACTS COMING FROM DELIVERIES WILL BE BUFFERED FROM ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL USES.
AND THEN LASTLY, UH, LANDSCAPING IS BEING PROPOSED TO BUFFER BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES TO THEM.
THIS IS THE MAIN ENTRANCE FOR THE MAJOR TENANT.
THE PROPOSED BUILDING IS CONTEMPORARY AND STYLE WITH FLAT ROOF AND PROVIDES A VARIETY OF ARTICULATION BUILDING SURFACES, BUILDING HEIGHT SPRAIN FROM 26 FEET, EIGHT INCHES TO 36 FEET, EIGHT INCHES AS MEASURED FROM THE FINISHED GRADE TO THE HIGHEST POINT.
FACADE WILL INCLUDE A VARIETY OF MATERIALS SUCH AS STONE WOOD.
IF YOU LINAC PANELS, YOU METCO CORRECT CORRUGATED METAL, PRE WEATHERED GALA, LOOM METAL RIBS, SPACINGS, AND GLAZING MULLIONS.
I'M GOING TO BE BROWSING THROUGH THESE.
AND IF YOU GUYS WANT ME TO GO BACK THEN JUST PLEASE LET ME KNOW, OKAY, THIS IS AN ELEVATION VIEW FROM EAST GARVEY AVENUE.
NOW WE'D LIKE TO ADD THAT ALL ROOFTOP EQUIPMENT WILL BE STRAINED.
THIS IS THE VIEW FROM RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES IN THE SCHOOL.
THIS IS THE VIEW FROM THE NORTH OR FROM NISSAN ST PERSPECTIVE.
AND THIS IS THE ELEVATION FOR THE FIVE TENANTS AND THIS FRONT VIEW THAT WOULD BE VISIBLE IF STANDING FROM THE CENTER PARKING LOT.
THIS IS RENDERING OF WHAT THE FIVE INLINE TENANTS BASES WOULD LOOK LIKE RENDERING FOR THE MAJOR TENANT.
AND AS NOTED EARLIER BEFORE THE FREEWAY ORIENTED SIGN WILL BE 50 FEET IN HEIGHT AND LOCATE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THE PYLON SIGN FACING CITRUS STREET IS LIMITED TO 40 FEET IN HEIGHT AND A SMALLER SQUARE FOOTAGE.
SECRET DOCUMENT WAS PREPARED BY CON FOR THE CITY.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY THE I S M N D IS THE CITY'S DOCUMENT.
DURING THE COMMENT PERIOD, WE RECEIVED TWO LETTERS, ONE FROM THE TRIBE AND ONE FROM THE WATER SANITATION DISTRICT, THEIR RESPONSE TO THE COMMENT WAS PREPARED AND HAS BEEN DISTRIBUTED.
AND GREG MARTIN WITH RINCON CITY'S ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT WILL BE AVAILABLE
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A LITTLE LATER FOR ANY QUESTIONS.AGAIN, THIS IS THE ENTITLEMENTS BEING REQUESTED TONIGHT.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVE THE COLLECTION OF ENTITLEMENTS LISTED BEFORE ME, AND THERE IS AN ADDED CONDITION.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THE APPLICANT SHALL DEFEND INDEMNIFY AND HOLD HARMLESS, THE CITY OF WEST COVINA IT'S ASIANS, IT'S OFFICERS, AND A PLACE FOR MANY CLAIM ACTION OR PROCEEDING AGAINST THE CITY OR ITS AGENTS, OFFICERS, OR EMPLOYEES TO TAK SET ASIDE VOID OR NO PROOF OF THIS PROJECT.
THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT IN THE AUDIENCE.
IF THE COMMISSION HAS ANY QUESTIONS, THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I SEE, UH, JUST FOR POINT OF CLARIFICATION, THIS IS THE BUILDING THAT'S IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY, CORRECT? WHICH, WHICH BUILDING? YEAH, THE MAIN BUILDING, THE LARGER ONE.
UH, YEAH, IT WOULD BE TUCKED INTO THE, UH, NORTHWESTERN AREA OF THE, UH, RENDERING, YOUR SHOWED.
THAT'S NOT ONE INDIVIDUAL THAT'S DIVIDED UP LIKE THAT ONE THAT'S DIFFERENT TENANTS THAT ARE IN THAT BUILDING.
IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, EXACTLY.
AND THESE WOULD BE, UH, CLOSER TO A GARVEY AVENUE ON THE SOUTH END OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY.
AND, UM, ONE OTHER QUESTION, THE LOTUS PROPERTY OR THE LOTUS BUILDING THAT'S BEHIND US BUILDING IS I THINK IT'S STILL THERE.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS PROJECT.
IS THAT CORRECT? THE, THE LOTUS DEALERSHIP WOULD BE DEMOLISHED AS PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION TO MAKE WAY FOR THE NEW DEVELOPMENT WILL BE PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, IN BACK OF THE NEW BUILDING, WILL THERE BE A STREET OR IT'S JUST LANDSCAPE? IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S JUST LANDSCAPE.
UM, LET ME JUST SHOW YOU REALLY QUICK.
THIS IS THAT'S EAST GARVEY AVENUE.
SO, UM, WE'LL BE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING, THE WEST SIDE OF THE NEW SHOPPING CENTER.
SO, WELL, THE STREET WOULD BE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND, UM, SLOWLY GOING UP AS IT'S GOING UP NORTH, IT'S GOING TO THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
SO ON THE EAST SIDE OF THAT PROPERTY LINE, WILL THERE BE AN ALLEY? NO, IT'S JUST LANDSCAPE 15.
AND THEN THERE WAS LANDSCAPING.
SO ON THE EAST SIDE, WHICH IS, UM, ACTUALLY THE WEST WEST SIDE YEAH.
TO THE WEST SIDE IS WHERE YOU HAVE THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
SO THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING THE TREES TO, TO CREATE A BUFFER.
IS ANYONE ELSE? OH, UH, THAT, UH, A LITTLE SCHOOL NEXT DOOR, THE LITTLE PRESCHOOL IS STILL AN OPERATION.
UH, SO WHAT THE LIQUOR LICENSE GO NEXT DOOR? IS THERE A MINIMUM AMOUNT OF FETUS AT SCHOOL GOTTA BE AWAY? I THOUGHT I WAS LIKE 300 FEET.
I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE, BUT I CAN, WE CAN FIND THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU.
I KNOW WE JUST, UM, UH, PREVIOUSLY PLUS PLANNING COMMISSION, WE DID APPROVE, UH, THE SELL OF AN ALCOHOL LICENSE WITHIN SCHOOLS.
SO, UM, WE'LL WE'LL WE CAN, WE CAN DO FIRST.
I'M JUST ASKING BECAUSE YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO THINK OF THE CHILDREN.
UM, SHERIFF, I MAY, YEAH, JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, UH, FOR, FOR ACCESSORY OFFSITE OF SALE USES, IT DOES NOT REQUIRE IT TO BE WITHIN 300 FEET AWAY FROM A SCHOOL TYPE 20 OR TYPE 21.
CAUSE THEY'RE BOTH BASICALLY THE SAME.
I THINK THE TYPE 21 IS HARD ALCOHOL AND THE TYPE 20 IS JUST BEER AND WINE.
SO ALL THEY'RE BOTH OFF SALES, SO THAT'S THE, UH, THE FOOTAGE.
SO FROM POINT A TO POINT B, THAT'S IT, IT DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE FOR THOSE TWO TYPE.
I THINK IT'S 47 48 BECAUSE ALTHOUGH THE OTHER TWO VOLLEYBALL LICENSE THAT'S, UH, FOR BARS AND RESTAURANTS, UM, LEAD WEED, THERE IS NO, UM, RADIUS LIMITATION FOR, OR AN ACCESSORY AL
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UM, OFFSITE USE, UM, FOR A GROCERY.THIS ALCOHOL, UM, IS FOR THE BIG SHOPPING CENTER, IS THAT CORRECT? OH, BIG RETAIL.
THANK YOU SO WELL, UM, I HAVE A QUESTION.
DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA WHO THE APPLICANTS ARE GOING TO BE? I'M NOT THE APPLICANTS TO TENANTS ARE GOING TO BE AT THIS TIME? NO, NO.
D THE APPLICANT HAS NOT RELEASED THAT, NOT RELEASED THAT.
THAT'S WHAT I CAN ASK, I GUESS I CAN.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAS QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? IF NOT, WE'RE GOING TO BE OKAY.
UM, UH, YOU KNOW, THE BUFFER, THE 15 FOOT BUFFER SPACE ON THE WEST SIDE BETWEEN, UM, THE HOMES, THE SCHOOL, UH, AND THIS DEVELOPMENT, UH, WAS THERE, UM, OTHER THAN, UH, TREES TO, YOU KNOW, TO BUFFER BETWEEN THE TWO, IS THERE ALSO ANY OTHER, UM, REQUIREMENTS TO SECURE THAT SPACE, UH, FROM ENTRY? UM, WELL, UH, SIX FOOT WALL WOULD BE, UM, A SIX FOOT WALL BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
IT'S SIX FOOT ALL, BUT, UM, BUT, UM, IS THERE ANY OTHER REQUIREMENT, UH, UH, FOR SECURING ACCESS TO THAT SPACE, UM, FROM EITHER END SECURING ACCESS, COULD YOU MORE SPECIFIC ON THAT SUCH AS AT THE SOUTH OR NORTH ENDS OF THAT FOOT BUFFER? I GUESS, WELL, THERE'LL BE GATES OR ANYTHING TO CLOSE THAT SECTION OF.
SO KIDS DON'T GO BACK THERE TO DO GRAFFITIS.
I'M ASSUMING AT THIS TIME, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE IS, THERE IS A, UM, A WALL PROPOSED IN THE, IN THAT AREA TO, TO CLOSE UP CLOSE OFF THAT SECTION.
HOWEVER, THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAY, MAY REQUIRE THAT AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL.
SO CURRENTLY IT'S OPEN TO THAT 15 FOOT AREA.
WILL THERE BE ANY DOORS ACTUALLY HAVING FROM THE SHOPPING CENTER? WE COULD MAKE THAT AS A CONDITION.
UM, AND ALSO, UM, AND ALSO, UH, THE APPLICANT MAY BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT QUESTION MUCH FURTHER.
I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR OUR STUFF.
THEN I'M GOING TO OPEN UP TO PUBLIC HEARING MEETINGS.
UM, WE'RE GOING TO BE HEARING TESTIMONY FROM APPLICANT AND THOSE IN FAVORS, AND THEN THOSE OPPOSED, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HEAR REBUTTAL FROM OUR APPLICANT.
EVERYBODY STILL REQUIRED DURING TESTIMONY.
I JUST, IT'S JUST, I'M GOING TO FOG UP IF I DON'T.
SO I'M JEFF TOCK, I'M REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT, WHICH IS BENTLEY REAL ESTATE.
AND I HOPE MAYBE YOU'LL REVISIT SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS THAT YOU JUST HAD.
CAUSE I MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER THEM A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU THE COMMISSION FOR ALLOWING US TO COME BEFORE YOU TONIGHT WITH OUR PROJECT, WHICH IS LOCATED ON THE SIDE OF THE OLD MAZDA CAR DEALERSHIP.
UM, I KNOW WHEN WE FIRST DISCUSSED THE PROJECT APPROVAL SCHEDULE, WE WERE WORRIED ABOUT HAVING QUORUM TONIGHT.
SO PRIOR TO THE THANKSGIVING HOLIDAY.
SO THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE.
AND I'D LIKE TO THANK JOANNE AND RENEE FOR, AND ALL THE OTHER STAFF MEMBERS WHO HAVE HELPED US AND WORK WITH US, UH, IN ORDER TO MEET THE ACCELERATED SCHEDULE NECESSARY FOR THIS PROJECT TO GET BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, THEY'VE D THEY'VE DONE A GREAT JOB, AND I ALSO NEED TO THANK ALL OF OUR TEAM, ESPECIALLY OUR ARCHITECTS, MCKENLEY MALECK, UM, AND THE PREPARER OF OUR ENVIRONMENTAL DOCUMENT RING COTTON CONSULTANTS, WHICH I BELIEVE IS ON A ZOOM CALL.
UM, HANEY MALAC IS HERE TONIGHT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO, WE CAME BEFORE YOU REQUESTING APPROVAL TO EXPAND AND REMODEL THE AUTOMOBILE SHOWROOM AT THIS SITE.
AT THE TIME WE WERE WORKING WITH A NEW CAR MANUFACTURER, BUT EVENTUALLY THAT DEAL FELL APART.
SUBSEQUENTLY WE WERE ABLE TO ACQUIRE THE LOTUS
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DEALERSHIP PROPERTY NEXT DOOR.UH, THIS GREATLY HELPED PLANNING ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
WE WERE BECAUSE WE ELIMINATED THE L-SHAPE OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, WE TRIED SEVERAL CONFIGURATIONS FOR A RETAIL SHOPPING CENTER, BUT NOTHING WAS SOLIDIFIED WITHOUT THE COMMITMENT OF A MAJOR TENANT.
FORTUNATELY, OVER A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO, WE ENTERED INTO DISCUSSIONS WITH A NEW FULL SERVICE GROCERY STORE, TO LEAST 35,000 SQUARE FEET AND BECOME THE CENTER'S, UH, MAJOR ANCHOR TENANT.
WE HAVE SIGNED A LONG-TERM LEASE WITH THIS TENANT.
THE REMAINING PIECES OF THE CENTER THEN CAME INTO INTO PLACE A 7,600 SQUARE FOOT SHOP BUILDING, WHICH WILL BE DIVIDED AMONGST FIVE SMALLER TENANTS AND LEASED OUT INDIVIDUALLY TO THEM AND IN A PAD SPACE FOR A 4,500 SQUARE FOOT RESTROOM RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE-THROUGH, UH, PRIOR TO THE SHUTDOWN IN MARCH, WE HAD AN AGREEMENT WITH A TENANT FOR THE RESTAURANT SPACE, BUT THINGS CAME TO A HALT AND THAT TENANT HAS RECENTLY RESURFACED AND HAS EXPRESSED INTEREST.
UH, AGAIN, UH, HOPEFULLY WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THEM BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE A PERFECT FIT FOR THIS.
UH, IT IS A, UH, QUICK SERVICE DINE IN, AND THE DRIVE-THROUGH IS NOT A DOMINANT PART OF THEIR BUSINESS.
THE PET SPACE SHOWN TO YOU TONIGHT ON, ON THE PLANS IS AS A FUTURE USE AND PLANS FOR THIS BUILDING WILL BE NEED TO BE SUBMITTED TO YOU AT THAT TIME.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE, FROM OUR PLANS, THE CENTER IS DESIGNED TO BE ORIENTED TO THE FREEWAY AND TO CITRUS AVENUE, ALL THE BUILDINGS BACK UP TO THE ADJOINING RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES TO THE NO ACTIVITIES DELIVERIES OR OTHERWISE WILL TAKE PLACE BEHIND THE CENTER.
THEY ARE ONLY THERE FOR EMERGENCY EXIT.
ALL DELIVERIES, ALL ACTIVITIES WILL BE IN THE FRONT.
UM, THE REAR AREA IS, UH, REQUIRED.
UH, SETBACK IS 15 FEET BECAUSE OF THE ANGLE.
THE SETBACK GOES WITH THE MAJOR TENANT BETWEEN 15 FEET AND 90 18 FEET.
UH, THE PROPERTY LINE IS ANGLED FROM HOW THE BUILDING SETS AND, AND, UH, WE HAVE A HEAVILY LANDSCAPED AREA BEHIND, UH, THE BUILDING TO ACT AS A BUFFER.
LANDSCAPING IS AN IMPORTANT FUTURE FOR THE CENTER.
UM, THE SITE AND PARKING LOTS WILL BE HAVING A LANDSCAPE WITH TREES, DROUGHT TOLERANT, PLANNINGS LANDSCAPING WILL TAKE UP 12% OF THE TOTAL SITE AREA, FAR BEYOND WHAT'S, UH, REQUIRED BY CODE, UM, THE ENTRANCE TO THE MAJOR TENANT AND THE STOREFRONT, UH, OF THE SHOP BUILDING FACE TO THE EAST.
ALL PARKING IS, UH, PROVIDED ON THE EAST AND SOUTH OF THE MAIN BUILDINGS.
WE HAVE, UH, ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING SPACES AND CLEAN AIR PARKING SPACES, AS WELL AS BICYCLE LOCKERS FOR, UH, TENANTS AND SHOPPERS.
UM, AS RENEE SAID, THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING IS CONTEMPORARY IN NATURE.
IT REFLECTS THE THEME OF THE MAJOR TENANT AND THEIR PROTOTYPE DESIGN.
UH, IT HAS CLEAN LINES, MODERN COMPOSITE MATERIALS AND METAL PANELS.
THE LARGE GLASS STOREFRONT AREAS IN THE FRONT WILL ALLOW VIEWS INTO THE INTERIOR AND INVITE CUSTOMERS INSIDE COLOR PALETTE IS MADE UP OF SHADES OF GRAY AND WHITE, UH, WITH, UH, BRIGHT GREEN ACCENTS, UM, SHOP BUILDING, UH, WE'LL USE SIMILAR MATERIALS AND COLORS.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE ONE HOMOGENEOUS DESIGN.
UH, ALSO TONIGHT, AS RENEE SAID, WE'RE ASKING FOR APPROVAL OF TWO PYLON SIGNS FOR THE SHOPPING CENTER.
AND THIS IS BECAUSE THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT ORIENTATIONS, ONE ON CITRUS, AND ONE ON THE FREEWAY, THE CENTER'S SIGN, UH, PROPOSED IN THE NORTH EAST CORNER OF THE SITE WOULD BE VISIBLE TO TRAFFIC ON, ON CITRUS.
AND THE SECOND TALLER SIGN IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTHERN GARVEY AVENUE FRONTAGE, WHERE IT WOULD BE ABLE TO BE SEEN FROM THE FREEWAY.
UM, WE BELIEVE THAT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PREVIOUSLY UNDERUTILIZED SITE WILL BE IMPORTANT TO THE CITY.
IT WILL ELIMINATE AN EYESORE THAT HAS BEEN PROMINENT FROM THE FREEWAY FOR THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS.
I THINK IT WILL BE A, UH, PROJECT THAT, UH, WILL SERVICE THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY.
AND ONE THAT WE CAN ALL BE PROUD OF FOR THE YEARS TO COME AS I'VE INFERRED.
UH, AT THE BEGINNING, THIS PROJECT REQUIRES AN EXTREMELY ACCELERATED SCHEDULE.
WE HAVE CONCURRENTLY SUBMITTED CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, PLANNING, ENGINEERING AND FIRE DEPARTMENTS FOR PLAN, CHECK, AND APPROVAL.
OUR SCHEDULE CALLS FOR OBTAINING A BUILDING PERMIT BY DECEMBER 15TH AND DELIVERY OF A COMPLETED SHELL TO THE MAJOR TENANT, APRIL 5TH, 2021.
THIS SHOPPING CENTER IS SCHEDULED TO OPEN ON NOVEMBER 15TH, 2021.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THINGS ARE VERY TIGHT ON OUR SCHEDULE.
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SO, UH, THANK YOU ALL FOR CONSIDERATION TONIGHT.UH, I HOPE THAT YOU WILL SEE FIT TO APPROVE OUR PROJECT, KEEP US ON SCHEDULE, AND I'M GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
NICE TO HAVE YOU BACK IN FRONT OF US WITH THIS PROJECT.
UH, I AM BOUND BY A NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT, UM, ON WHO THE NAME OF THE TENANT.
DID YOU HAVE A LONGTERM LEASE WITH THEM? YOU'D JUST HAVE A LONG-TERM LEASE WITH THEM.
CAUSE YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY IS ABUZZ WITH CURIOSITY ABOUT YOUR TENANTS.
I AM SURE THEY ARE AS, ARE WE? YES.
LET'S JUST SAY, I THINK YOU'LL BE VERY HAPPY.
WELL, I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M CONFIDENT WE WILL, UM, THAT, THAT YOU'RE DRIVING THAT THE MAIN FOCUS OF THE MAIN TENANT, MATTER OF FACT, BOTH TENANTS IS AS SOMEONE'S ON THE 10 FREEWAY AND THEY'RE DRIVING TOWARDS LA, THEY'RE GOING TO SEE THAT EAST ELEVATION.
THAT'S THE MAIN, UH, THAT'S REALLY GOING TO BE AN EYE-CATCHER.
MAYBE BECAUSE OF THE TERRAIN AND THE, AND THE HEIGHTS OF THE SITE ABOVE THE FREEWAY.
IT MAY BE DIFFICULT TO SEE THE ENTRANCE TO THE BUILDINGS, BUT YOU'LL CERTAINLY BE ABLE TO SEE THE FACADE.
YOU'LL CERTAINLY BE ABLE TO SEE, UH, THE SIGN THAT WILL BE PLACED ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE GARVEY.
AND ON THE TWO SIGNS, WHAT ARE YOU? IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S DIVIDED UP TWO OR THREE DIFFERENT WAYS.
HE IS GOING TO HAVE THE NAME OF THE, UH, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE LIKE FIVE, SIX TENANTS OR SEVEN WITH THE FOOD.
I BELIEVE WE ARE ONLY GOING TO HAVE A SIGNS, UH, SPACE FOR THE MAJOR TOWN AT, AT THE TOP, THE PAD SPACE AS THE SECOND ONE.
AND THE THIRD ONE, PROBABLY THE END CAP ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE SHOP BUILDING, THE OTHER SMALLER TENANTS WILL NOT GET SIGNED.
AND ARE THOSE THE FIVE DOORS? ARE THEY ALL, THEY ALL LOOK LIKE THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH THE SAME SQUARE FOOTAGE.
SO THERE IS NO ONE IS THE, ONE OF THE EMPTY I'M GOING TO BE MORE DOMINANT.
MM, NO, JUST BY ITS NATURE ON THE END, IT PROBABLY WILL COMMAND A LITTLE BIT, A HIGHER RENTAL RATE AND PROMINENT BECAUSE THE ELEVATIONS GOT A LITTLE MORE EMPHASIS TO, IT LOOKS, IT STICKS OUT.
IT'S IT'S A LITTLE BIT HIGHER.
UH, I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
MR. CHUCK, WOULD YOU LIKE TO DIVULGE WHAT THE NAME OF THE RESTAURANT AS WELL? UM, RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FROM, WE HAVE HAD, WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH PANERA.
YOU DON'T HAVE ANY LEASE SIGNED WITH, WE DO NOT HAVE A LEASE AT THIS POINT.
THAT'S WHY IT'S JUST A FUTURE USE RIGHT NOW.
I MIGHT, I'M SURE YOU'VE DONE A TRAFFIC STUDY OR I HOPE YOU DID, BECAUSE I WILL TELL YOU IT TRAFFIC, UH, GOING EASTERN WEST ON GARVEY AVENUE NORTH IS HORRENDOUS RIGHT NOW, UH, BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC LIGHT AT THE VERY END.
AND, UM, I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT THIS IS GOING TO DO, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE AN, UH, A DRIVEWAY THAT'S GOING RIGHT INTO THE, UH, DRIVE THROUGH OF THE RESTAURANT.
IT COULD BLOCK UP ON GARVEY AVENUE.
THAT'D BE LOOKED INTO, WE HAVE DONE A FULL TRAFFIC STUDY AS PART OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT.
NO QUESTIONS, BUT I LIKE IT TOO.
YEAH, ACTUALLY, CAN WE GO BACK TO THE SIGN? UM, THERE ARE TWO SIGNS THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING FOR NOW IS THE ONE ON THE RIGHT CLOSER TO THE FREEWAY.
WELL, ACTUALLY, WHEN THIS WAS SUBMITTED, WE FIGURED WE WOULD HAVE TWO SIGNS OF EACH 50 FEET.
THAT WAS WHAT OUR ORIGINAL PROPOSAL WAS, WOULD BE FOR.
UH, IN TALKING WITH STAFF STAFF ASSETS TO REDUCE THE SIGN.
THERE WOULD BE IN THE NORTH EAST CORNER OF THE SITE TO 40 FEET AND THEN TWO, IT WOULD ALLOW US TO THEN TAKE THE FREEWAY BONUS AND MAKE THE SIGN ON THE SOUTH, FACING THE FREEWAY AT 50 FEET.
SO ONE WOULD BE 41 WOULD BE 50.
I DON'T SEE THE DIMENSION OF HOW WIDE IT IS.
I KNOW THAT THE HEIGHT OF IT IS 50 AND 40.
WHAT'S THE WIDTH OF IT, OF THE SIGN, CLOSE TO THE FREEWAY.
UM, AND ALSO THE SIGNAGE, LIKE THE TENANT, A TENANT B TENANT ONE, TWO, THREE.
I MEAN, I, I WOULD GUESS IT'S PROBABLY NO MORE THAN EIGHT OR 10 FEET
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HIGH.I MEAN, EIGHT TO 10 FEET WIDE, EIGHT TO 10 FEET WIDE, 10 FEET WIDE.
I HAVE A DIMENSION ON THERE THAT SAYS THE PANELS ARE FOUR FEET HIGH.
SO IF THEY'RE FOUR FEET HIGH AND YOU'RE TURNING SIDEWAYS, LOOKS LIKE EIGHT OR 10 FEET, WHAT'S THE DEPTH OF THE SIGN, THE DEPTH OF THE SIGN.
THOSE DIMENSIONS MIGHT BE 18 INCHES TO TWO FEET.
NO, THE SIGNAGE ITSELF, BUT THE WHOLE BIG, THE STRUCTURE OF THE 50 FEET STRUCTURE.
THAT APPEARS TO BE WHAT WE'RE SHOWING.
RIGHT? NO KIND OF STRUCTURE BE 50 FEET TALL.
UM, AND THEN WHAT ABOUT THE SKINNIER ONE TO THE RIGHT? CAUSE THE ONE AT THE LEFT, I BELIEVE THE LEFT SIDE IS CLOSER TO THE FREEWAY ON GARVEY.
ONE IS THE FRONT ELEVATION OF THE SIGN AND THE OTHER ONE IS THE SIDE ELEVATION TO THE SIDE.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE AN ELEVATOR, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY PICTURES OR WHAT HAVE YOU OFF THE OTHER SIGN THAT IS 40 FEET TALL.
AS I SAID, WE WERE, WE WERE GOING TO PUT UP THE SAME SIGN IN TWO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.
NOW WE'RE PUTTING UP THE SAME SIGN, EXCEPT ONE WILL BE SHORTER THAN THE OTHER.
CAN I ASK SINCE IT'S IN THE NORTH, I GUESS IT'S ON GARVEY AND FORGOT WHAT THE OTHER STREET IS.
AND WHAT WAS THE OTHER STREET GARVEY? ALL GARVEY'S ALONG ALONG THE FREEWAY ENTIRELY ON GARVEY EVERYTHING'S ON GARBAGE, BOTH SIDES.
GARVEY IS THE ENTIRE FRONTAGE OF THE PROPERTY.
WHEN YOU GO DOWN THE STREET AS A STATE.
IT, IT OCCURS AROUND, BUT IT'S, SO IT APPEARS TO BE, TO BE LIKE ON MORE ON, ON CITRUS AS WELL.
IT DID, IT'S CURVING AROUND GARVEY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, ONE SIGN SEEMS TO BE CATERING TOWARDS CITRUS.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
SINCE THAT AREA AND PEOPLE ARE DRIVING, WHY 40 FEET HIGH? WHY 40 FEET TALL? THE SIGN AUNTS MORE TOWARD THE CITRUS SIDE? WELL, I, I, I THINK IT WOULD ALLOW IT TO BE SEEN FROM CITRUS PEOPLE COMING, UH, DRIVING NORTH ON CITRUS.
IT COULD BE SEEN FROM THERE WOULD ALLOW THEM TO KNOW THAT THAT'S, THEY HAVE TO TURN ON GARVEY IN ORDER TO GO IN THERE.
I BELIEVE IT'S PROBABLY CONSISTENT WITH THE SIGNAGE FOR NISSAN NEXT DOOR, 60 FEET.
SO THE SIGN THAT YOU HAVE IS, IS I KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE SEEN FROM THE FREEWAY.
IS IT BIG ENOUGH? DO YOU, YOU KNOW, DO YOU THINK YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE IT BIGGER? I MEAN, I MEAN, IF I OWNED A BUSINESS AND SOMEBODY COMING DOWN THE FREEWAY, I WOULDN'T WANT THEM TO SEE MY BUSINESS.
I JUST THINK IT'S, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A BIGGER ACTUALLY, I GUESS THERE'S ALWAYS TWO SCHOOLS OF THOUGHT ON THAT, BUT THERE'S THE ARCHITECTURAL SCHOOL OF THOUGHT THAT LESS IS MORE SO I, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S FINE.
THE SIGN IS WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED.
IF I MAY RESPOND TO THE 40 FEET HEIGHT, UM, QUESTION THE FREEWAY BONUSES THAT ONLY ALLOWED FOR ONE FINE.
SO THEY ARE UTILIZING THE FREEWAY BONUS FOR THE FREEWAY ORIENTED SIGN.
THAT'S 50 FEET TALL, THE CODE LIMITS PYLON SIGNS THAT ARE NOT, THAT ARE NOT FREE WEIGHT, THAT, THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE FREEWAY BONUS.
SO, SO FOR THAT, LET'S SAY IF IT'S NOT ALLOWED, BECAUSE IT'S ONLY ALLOWED ONE SIGN THAT IS, I THINK YOU GET THE BONUS OF 75% IN HEIGHTS WHEN IT'S CLOSEST TO THE FREEWAY AT 300 FEET OR SOMETHING FROM THE FREEWAY.
IS THAT CORRECT? SO YOU WERE ALLOWED IN INCREASED HEIGHTS OF 75% MORE.
I GUESS THE QUESTION COMES IN IS IF IT'S NOT, THEN WHAT WOULD THE SIGN HEIGHTS BE INSTEAD OF 48 FEET? WELL, THAT'S A NORMAL SIGNAGE WITH THAT.
UM, I'D HAVE TO, I'D HAVE TO CHECK THE CODE.
I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T VERIFY THE CODE WITH, WITH THE NORMAL SIGNAGE BECAUSE THAT WAS NOT BEING PROPOSED, BUT, BUT I DIDN'T HAVE TO REFER TO IT AND GET BACK TO YOU REGARDING THAT.
AND ALSO, UM, I LIKE ALSO TO SEE IF IT'S POSSIBLE FROM THE, BECAUSE YOU HAD A BEAUTIFUL, UM, YOU CAN SAY RENDERING OF THE BUILDING RENDERING OF THE FRONTAGE OF THE BUILDING, BUT I LIKE TO SEE IN RESPECT TO THE SIGNAGE AND THE BUILDING, LIKE, WHAT IS, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE FROM THE BUILDING PERSPECTIVE AS WELL? IT SEEMS PRETTY,
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TO ME, IT SEEMS REALLY TALL FOR THAT SIZE OF A SHOPPING CENTER AND AT THE INNER CORNER INSTEAD OF LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, FURTHER OUT.SO I LIKE TO SEE THAT AS WELL, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
BUT MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT THIS IS A FREEWAY FRONTAGE PIECE OF PROPERTY, WHICH HAS AN ALLOWABLE 50 FOOT SIGN HEIGHT WITH, WITH THE FREEWAY BONUS.
YOU YOU'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE A 50 FOOT SIGN.
BUT THAT, BUT THAT IS UNDER THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DISCRETION FOR APPROVAL.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHY THE CUP IS PART OF THIS APPLICATION ALSO.
UM, HELP ME CLARIFY THIS, JOANNE.
UM, SO WITH THE FRONTAGE, CAUSE THIS IS FREEWAY FRONTAGE IS KIND OF CURVED AROUND THE FREEWAY, THE GARVEY AND YOUR, YOUR SITE.
UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS A FREEWAY FRONTAGE AND YOU DO GET THAT 75 SIDE, 75% BONUS IN HEIGHT INCREASE OF THE SIGNAGE.
BUT MY QUESTION IS THE SECOND SIGN THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR THAT WOULD BE AN EXTRA SIGN BECAUSE IT'S ONLY ALLOWED ONE SIGN.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S WHY WE'VE APPLIED FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
SO ONLY ONE SIGN IS ALLOWED FOR THE FREEWAY BONUS SIGN.
BUT THEY THEY'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE THE SECOND, A SECOND SIGN ORIENTED TOWARDS CITRUS.
SO, SO THE, THE SIGN THAT'S ORIENTED TOWARDS CITRUS AND GARVEY THAT IS NOT ALLOWED A FREEWAY BONUS BECAUSE THEY'RE USING, UTILIZING THAT FOR THE, FOR THE FREEWAY ORIENTED SIGN.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS IF IT'S NOT ALLOWED FOR, UH, FOR THE BONUS, HOW HIGH WOULD THAT BE AT THE NORMAL, WHAT THE EXISTING CODE ALLOWED I'M IN THE PROCESS OF LOOKING BAD INFORMATION UP FOR YOU.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAS ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY.
I GUESS A WASH YOUR HANDS LOOKING FORWARD TO, WE CAN'T HEAR FROM, UM, HANI MONIQUE, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.
MY NAME IS HANEY MULLOCK ARCHITECTS.
UM, I'M HERE THINKING ABOUT THE PROJECT WITH, UH, WITH MR. TUCK.
AND SO YOU MAY HAVE, UM, AS YOU, UH, AS YOU EXAMINED THE PROJECT, I THINK, I THINK JEFF HAS DONE A FANTASTIC JOB FOR PRESENTING THE PROJECT AND JUST, UM, KIND OF OUTLINING WHAT IT IS THAT THE PROPOSAL THAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US.
AND SO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
I HAVE A QUICK, CAN YOU KIND OF TELL US YOUR THEORY OF, OF YOUR DESIGN FOR THIS PROJECT? YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE GENESIS OF YOUR ARCHITECTURE AS A DECK FISHER? WELL, W WE WANT IT TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S MORE MODERN AND, AND, UH, AND KIND OF, UM, TIMELESS, IF YOU WILL, RATHER THAN, THAN, UH, APPROACHING THE PROJECTS WITHOUT A, WITHOUT, UH, A, A TYPOLOGY OF ARCHITECTURE.
SO HAVING, HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY, THAT'S, THAT'S BASICALLY, UH, KIND OF EXPLORES NEW MATERIALS AND, AND, AND YET KEEPS, KEEPS A MORE MODERN APPROACH TO THE PROJECTS.
SO THAT'S WHY THE USE OF THE STONE WOOD MATERIALS THAT THE METAL MATERIALS IS A LOT, YOU KNOW, MIXED TOGETHER WITH THE WAY WITH THE STUCCO.
UM, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S TIMELESS, IT'S CLASSIC IT'S IT HAS, IT DOES NOT, IT DOES NOT AGE, UH, OVER TIME.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE APPROACH THAT WE WANTED TO TAKE WITH THIS PROJECT.
IT'S KIND OF A MINIMALIST APPROACH, RIGHT? I THINK IT'S NOT GAUDY AT ALL.
ANYONE ELSE IN FAVOR THAT LIKED TO COME UP AND SPEAK? GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, UM, I'M ANDREW MCENTIRE, PRESIDENT OF THE MACINTYRE COMPANY WHO HAPPENS TO OWN THE PROPERTY, UM, PRETTY CLOSE TO NORTH OF THE PROPERTY, THE GROVE WHERE THE BUFFALO WILD WINGS IS, AND ALSO SOUTHEAST CORNER WHERE THE MCINTYRE SQUARE IS AND OUR NEW 26 40 OFFICE BUILDING.
UM, WE ARE TOTALLY FOR THIS PROJECT.
WE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR A LONG TIME FOR SOMETHING TO HAPPEN ON THIS CORNER.
OF COURSE, LIKE THEY SAID EARLIER, THIS HAS BEEN A BLIGHTED AREA FOR THE CITY.
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THE CITY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL NEW SHOPPING CENTER, YOU KNOW, WHERE SPROUTS IS, WHERE WE DID OURS, OUR TWO PROJECTS, THERE'S THIS THING THAT'S JUST SITTING THERE AND THE PRESENTATION OF THIS AND THEIR NEW TENANTS AND CREATING A RETAIL LITTLE HAVEN, AS YOU MIGHT SAY IT ON CITRUS RIGHT OFF THE 10 FREEWAY.IS THAT GOING TO BE A HUGE ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY, UM, TO GIVE YOU GUYS A LITTLE PERSPECTIVE ON THE SIZE OF THE SIGN THAT THEY'RE RE REQUESTING MCINTYRE SQUARE SIGN, WHERE IT'S ON CITRUS, IT'S 40 FEET.
SO IF YOU WANT TO UNDERSTAND HOW BIG THAT SIGN IS, KIND OF CREATE SOME SYNERGY THERE.
SO THAT WAY I'M SURE STAFF PROBABLY LOOKED AT SOME SIMILAR SIZED SIGNS IN THAT AREA.
AND THAT GIVES YOU AN IDEA ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FREEWAY, JUST TO THE SOUTH, THAT THOSE SIGNS ARE 45 FEET.
SO, UM, I'M SURE THE ARCHITECTS, THEY THEY'RE AWARE OF THE FACT THAT IT'S A PERFECT VISUAL FOR TENANTS.
I WOULD HAVE SAID TO, UH, MAYBE MAKE THEM A LITTLE BIT LARGER TO CAPTURE THAT FREEWAY AUDIENCE AS CITRUS IS A MAJOR OFF-RAMP AND GOD KNOWS RIGHT NOW, EVERY CITY BUSINESS NEEDS ALL THE HELP THEY CAN GET FROM, YOU KNOW, JUST BEING ABLE TO SELL STUFF.
UM, AND JUST, UH, AGAIN, THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL PROJECT.
AND, UM, THEY'RE DOING A BEAUTIFUL PROJECT UP IN COVINA RIGHT NOW, TWO OF THEM THAT IF YOU GO UP THERE ON CITRUS, AND I THINK IT'S RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM LIKE DOMESTIC BARBECUE IN DOWNTOWN, THEY'RE DOING BEAUTIFUL STUFF UP THERE.
SO, UM, I HOPE YOU GUYS APPROVE THIS AND I HOPE THE CITY GETS A NEW, BEAUTIFUL MARKET AND SOME RESTAURANTS AND SOME OTHER STUFF OVER THERE, AND WE'RE ALL GONNA BENEFIT FROM IT.
CAN YOU HELP US FILL US A CARD AS WELL? ABSOLUTELY.
UM, JUST TO EXPAND OR CORRECT, A LITTLE BIT, UH, SIGNED PROFESSIONAL.
I WORK WITH MCENTIRE AND IT'S ACTUALLY THE CITRUS GROVE.
THAT'S AT 40 FEET BECAUSE IT'S IN THE NORTH SIDE AND MACINTYRE SQUARES, 45.
THAT'S WHERE HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE SYNERGY OF SIGHT LINE.
AND ALSO YOU HAD ASKED ABOUT THE DEPTH OF THE SCIENCE THEY'RE PROPOSING.
UM, THAT'S TYPICALLY IN A DESIGN PHASE, ISN'T ESTABLISHED BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE ENGINEERED FOR WIND LOAD AND SOIL CONDITIONS, WHICH AFFECTS THE SIZE OF THE PIPE.
AND THE SIZE OF THE CLADDING IS THEN, YOU KNOW, AROUND THE SIZE OF THE PIPE.
SO THEY WOULDN'T ACTUALLY KNOW ADEPT PRIOR TO HAVING THE ENGINEERING DONE.
SO IT'S JUST A DESIGN PHASE THING.
SO I JUST WANT TO ANSWER YOUR DEPTH QUESTION.
UM, SO HOW WIDE, SO HOW WIDE IS THIS SIGN? BECAUSE FOR SOME REASON IT'S NOT ON ALL PLANNED RIGHT NOW.
SO SOMETHING LIKE THERE'S TYPICALLY THAT POLE COVER, WHICH WOULD BE THE GREEN.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT A THREE FOOT DEPTH, BECAUSE TYPICALLY WITH SOMETHING THAT A HEIGHT OF 40 TO 45 FEET, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT A 24 INCH DIAMETER POLE.
SO WHEN YOU CLAD IT AND HAS TO BE RECTANGULAR AROUND IT, SO YOU'RE EXPANDED ON THAT 24 INCHES.
SO YOU'RE REALLY GETTING CLOSER TO 30 TO 36 INCHES IN DEPTH.
SO ABOUT THREE, THREE FEET, POTENTIALLY FOUR FEET DEPTH.
AND THAT WOULD SAY FOR THE HEIGHTS, THEY'RE PROPOSING THREE FEET WOULD BE ADEQUATE THE FEET.
AND THEN THE WIDTH OF THIS ONE WOULD BE ABOUT 10 FEET, 15 FEET ON TOP, ON TOP.
THE COLUMN IS ONLY EIGHT FEET WIDE.
THE TOP OF THE CROWN WOULD MAYBE BE 10 OR 12.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT SIX TO EIGHT IN THE COLUMN AND MAYBE 10 TO 12 IN THE CROWN, BUT THEN ADDING THE SIGN TO IT.
THAT WOULD BE THE WIDTH OF IT.
IT'S EIGHT, EIGHT, 10 FEET, WHICH IS ENTIRE WIDTH OF THAT SIGN FROM THE LEFT SIDE OF THE COLUMN TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE BUFFALO WILD WINGS IS APPROXIMATELY 22 FEET.
SO WE CAN GET A LITTLE PERSPECTIVE.
WHAT ELSE
I'M CHAIRING IF I MAY ANSWER THE QUESTION.
UM, BUT THANK YOU THAT YOU ASKED, OKAY.
BASED ON, BASED ON THE SIZE OF THEIR PROPERTY AND ALSO THE LOCATION BY RIGHT.
THEY ARE ALLOWED A 40 FOOT TALL SIGN THAT, UM, THAT'S THROUGH A SIGN ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW PROCESS, BUT ONE SIGN, IS THAT CORRECT? UM, WELL IT SAYS ONE PER BUSINESS, SO
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THERE'S MULTIPLE BUSINESSES ON, ON THE SITE.SO, I MEAN, SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THEY HAD 10 BUSINESSES, THEY COULD JUST LINE THEM ALL UP AND THEN NO.
SO THE W UM, WE ARE, THEY, THEY ARE, THEY ARE GOING TO BE ALLOWED TO TWO SIGNS, ONE FREEWAY ORIENTED SIGN, AND ONE, ONE, UM, ONE SMALLER PYLON SIGN, LOCATE, UM, ORIENTED TOWARDS CITRUS STREET AND ALSO IN ALSO GARVEY AVENUE.
SO IT'S, AGAIN, IT'S, THIS IS, UH, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING ENTITLEMENT.
IT'S UP TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO APPROVE.
HEY, ANYONE WANT TO GO FIRST? SURE.
I'M HAPPY TO START THIS DISCUSSION OFF.
UM, I'M ALSO HAPPY THAT, UH, MR. TUCK HAS BROUGHT US A PROJECT THAT, UH, WE CAN WRAP OUR ARMS AROUND THIS TO ME.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK BACK AT THE FREEWAY CORRIDOR, YOU KNOW, THE EASTLAND CENTER, UH, THE CITRUS GARVEY AND ALL OF THAT 10, 15 YEARS AGO, IT WAS A SEWER.
IT WAS REALLY GOING SOUTH IN A HURRY.
AND OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, BEGINNING WITH THE REVITALIZATION OF EASTLAND, CONTINUING WITH THE, THE, THE, THE GROVE AND THE SQUARE THAT THE MACRO TIRE COMPANIES PUT IN.
NOW, YOU HAVE WHAT I'M CONSIDERING A RENAISSANCE OF THAT AREA THAT IS REALLY BECOMING THE, THE PLACE TO BE.
AND NOW WHEN YOU REPLACE THAT BLIGHTED BUILDING, WHICH SAT THERE AS AN EYESORE FOR WAY TOO MANY YEARS, BEING USED AS REALLY A BILLBOARD AND AUTO STORAGE FOR ALL THIS TIME.
NOW, WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED IS, IS BEAUTIFUL.
I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE QUITE AN ASSET AND AN ADDITION TO THE CITY, AND, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, THE THING THAT WEST COVINA HAS GOING FOR IT THAT OTHER CITIES DON'T IS THE FREEWAY FRONTAGE.
AND, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY WITH WHEN TIMES ARE TOUGH LIKE THIS, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO CAPTURE AS MANY OF THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF VEHICLES THAT TRAVERSE THAT FREEWAY AS WE CAN, YOU KNOW, COVINA CAN'T DO IT.
OTHER CITIES THAT ARE LANDLOCKED CAN'T DO IT WEST COVINA CAN DO IT.
WE ARE VERY LUCKY TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
AND I THINK WE HAVE TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO CAPTURE IT.
YOU KNOW, I GET A LITTLE CONCERNED WHEN APPLICANTS COME IN FRONT OF US AND THOSE APPLICANTS ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH OUR CODE.
THEY ARE FOLLOWING OUR CODE AND THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF TAKEN TO TASK FOR THAT.
IF AN APPLICANT COMES IN FRONT OF US AND THEY ARE WITHIN THE QUEUE, THEY'RE MEETING OUR CODE.
I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE WALKING A SLIPPERY SLOPE WHEN WE START TO QUESTION THAT.
SO I, YOU KNOW, I'M A BELIEVER IN SCIENCE AND I'M A BELIEVER IN TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE FREEWAY CORRIDOR TO ATTRACT BUSINESSES AND CUSTOMERS TO THOSE BUSINESSES.
SO, YOU KNOW, I AM HAPPY TO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.
I'M KIND OF HAPPY TO SEE IT'S ON A FAST TRACK.
WE KNOW IT'S NOT GOING TO SIT THERE, YOU KNOW, DORMANT.
NO, I'M CONFIDENT THAT, UH, MR. TUCK AND BENTLEY REALTY HAVE THE RESOURCES TO CARRY THIS THROUGH AND FINISH IT AND DELIVER A QUALITY PRODUCT TO THE CITY AND TO THE RESIDENTS.
AND NOT ONLY TO THE RESIDENTS, BUT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE DRIVING THAT FREEWAY THAT ARE GOING TO PULL OFF AND PULL INTO THAT PARKING LOT.
YOU KNOW, AT LEAST WE GOT A LITTLE SOMETHING OUT OF MR. TUCK WHEN HE KINDA WHISPERED PANERA BREAD.
SO, YOU KNOW, I THANK YOU, SIR, FOR THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN I FIRST LOOKED AT THAT, I THOUGHT MAYBE IT MIGHT BE A RAISING CANE'S, BUT THEN I LOOKED AT THE DRIVE-THRU QUEUE WAS ONLY 10 CARS.
AND THEN I GOT TO WORK FOR A RAISING CANE AND IT'S 4,500 SQUARE FEET AND A RAISING CANE.
I LIKE ABOUT 27 HUNTERS THAT AIN'T GONNA WORK.
SO PANERA BREAD WOULD BE IDEAL.
I AGREE WITH YOU, THE SYNERGY WITH THE OTHER, UH, YOU KNOW, MAJOR TENANT THAT WE'RE ALL GUESSING AT.
I THINK WE'LL, UH, WE'LL BE GOOD.
AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS THING AND I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE IT GO UP.
I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE IT LIT UP AT NIGHT AS FREEWAY AS CARS
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GO BY THERE AND JUST LOOK AT THAT BEAUTIFUL NEW CENTER IN THE CITY OF WEST COVINA.I'VE LOOKED AT THAT LOT FOR SO LONG THAT IT WAS JUST A DISGRACE TO THE CITY.
I MEAN, WHEN YOU'RE COMING THROUGH THERE, THAT'S THE FIRST THING IS, SEE, I CAN REMEMBER WHEN IT WAS A MERCURY DEALERSHIP AND THEY DIDN'T KEEP IT UP TOO WELL.
AND THEN I CAN REMEMBER WHEN A PENSKE JAGUAR ACROSS THE FREEWAY, UH, WERE DOING SO WELL IN SALES WHEN THEY HAD BOTH MERCEDES AND JAGUAR THERE, UH, UH, MR. PENSKE WANTED TO, UH, UH, MOVE OVER TO, UH, UH, THAT, THAT LOCATION, BUT IT TOOK SOME MAJOR CHANGES AND THEY WEREN'T REALLY THE, THE PROPERTY OR WEREN'T WILLING TO DO THAT.
SO HE JUST WALKED AWAY FROM IT AND THEN IT SAT THERE AND THEN IT WAS A STORAGE LIVE FOR CARS.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE FIRST THING HE SAW WAS A STORAGE LIFE FOR, FOR CARS.
IT WAS A DISGRACE AND EVERYTHING AROUND THERE, IT WAS BEING BUILT UP AND THIS WAS JUST SITTING THERE, YOU KNOW, AND IT WAS REALLY TERRIBLE.
SO I'M FINALLY GLAD TO SEE SOMEBODY GOING IN THERE.
CAUSE I THINK IT'S A, IT'S A GREAT, GREAT SITE, GREAT PROJECT SITE.
AND I JUST NEVER COULD FIGURE OUT WHY NOBODY WAS GOING TO GO IN THERE AND GRAB THAT THING, ESPECIALLY WITH THE VISUAL YOU GET FROM THE, UH, FROM THE FREEWAY.
THIS LOOKS LIKE A REALLY GOOD PROJECT TO ME.
UH, EVEN THOUGH THEY WON'T SHARE WHO THE MAJOR TENANT IS, BUT WHOEVER IT IS, I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A QUALITY PRODUCT QUALITY LOCATION.
AND I THINK IT'S GREAT TO HAVE A LITTLE DRIVE THROUGH, UH, UH, FAST FOOD LOCATION THERE.
I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE GREAT.
IT'S GOING TO BE AN ADDITION TO, UH, OUR SHITTY, SO GOD BLESS AND GOOD LUCK.
I THINK IT'S AN OUTSTANDING PROJECT, DON.
I ALL STARTED MARIJUANA WHEN IT WAS NARDUZZI LINCOLN MERCURY, AND THEN IT WAS A MAZDA DEALER THAT WAS BACK IN THE SEVENTIES.
IT'S AN OUTSTANDING PROJECT AND, UH, I WISH YOU THE BEST OF LUCK, I GUESS I CAN'T REALLY SAY ANY MORE, UH, THAN WHAT, UH, OUR FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ALREADY SAID SO FAR, AS FAR AS IT BEING A STANDING PROJECT AND, UH, REALLY HAPPY THAT IT'S COMING IN ABOUT THE ONLY THING THAT, UM, MY CONCERN ME IS THAT, UH, THE FREEWAY ORIENTED SIGN, THIS WAS AT LEAST FROM WHAT WE'VE SEEN SO FAR, IT DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE EVEN, UM, BIG ENOUGH TO, UH, CAPTURE ATTENTION FOR MOTORISTS ON THE FREEWAY.
IT SEEMS LIKE SUCH KIND OF A SMALL SIGN, BUT, UM, IF THAT'S GOING TO SERVE YOUR NEEDS, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, SO BE IT, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME IT WOULD BE THERE'S ROOM FOR A LARGER SIGN ORIENTED TOWARDS THE FREEWAY.
I MEAN, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PROJECT.
LIKE I SAID, IN, LIKE MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER HAD SAID IT'S BEEN YEARS, 20, 30 YEARS, THAT, THAT I FEEL LIKE THAT AREA HAS NOT BEEN MOVING AROUND UNTIL NOT ONLY THAT LOCATION, ALSO THE SOUTH SIDE, BUT JUST BASICALLY TO THE CITRUS CORNER ON THE FREEWAY.
UM, NOW THAT A NEW PROJECT CAME ALONG, I MEAN, IT'S WONDERFUL AND IT'S GREAT.
HOWEVER, I AM HAVING A LOT OF CONCERN REGARDING THE GIGANTIC SIGNS THAT IT'S COMING UP ALONG A FREEWAY.
I MEAN, IF YOU DRIVE ALONG, EVEN THE, I FORGOT WHERE THE ANGEL FREEWAY IS.
I THINK THE 57 FREEWAY, I MEAN, THEY HAVE THOUSANDS OF ACRES AND THEY HAVE A TINY LITTLE SCIENTIST BASICALLY REPRESENT, OKAY, THAT IS THE STADIUM RIGHT THERE.
UM, SO IT IS VERY CONCERNING TO ME AS A RESIDENT ALSO AS COMMISSIONER IN WEST COVINA, IF WE HAVE A LONG STRIP OF, OF, UM, FREEWAY THAT WE HAVE BUSINESSES ALONG THE FREEWAY, AND WE'RE HAVING ALL THESE GIGANTIC SIGN THAT POTENTIALLY MAY BE BLOCKING OUR CITY VIEW, UH, THE RESIDENTS, UM, VIEW, I MEAN, DON'T GET ME WRONG.
I WANT TO DO EVERYTHING THAT I CAN TO HELP ALL THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE HERE, BUT ASSIGNED SHOULD NOT DICTATE YOUR BUSINESS, HOW YOU RUN YOUR BUSINESS, THE FLAGSHIP OF YOUR BUSINESSES.
AND, AND EVEN THE LOCATION WHERE YOU'RE AT AS TIME GOES BY ALL THE RESIDENTS WILL EVENTUALLY KNOW, OKAY, THIS IS WHERE A, TO GO PLACE.
IF YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOU TAKE CARE OF THE PLAZA AND ALL THE BUSINESSES ARE THERE.
AND OF COURSE, RESIDENTS WILL LOVE TO GO.
JUST LIKE, JUST LIKE, I BELIEVE ACROSS THE STREETS TO MCINTYRE SQUARE, IT WAS PRETTY QUIET FOR 20, 30 YEARS UNTIL HE CAME ALONG.
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REALLY, YOU KNOW, BUSY WITH SHOPPERS AND ALL THAT OVER THERE.SO I DON'T THINK BY HAVING A GIGANTIC SIGN, BLOCKING ALL THE VIEW, WHETHER IT'S COMING FROM THE FREEWAY OR WHAT HAVE, YOU WILL BASICALLY ENTICE PEOPLE TO STOP BY.
I MEAN, I DON'T REALLY BELIEVE THAT, UH, AS A BUSINESS, JUST LIKE WHAT'S COMING UP, WE HAVE ALL THOSE DEALERSHIPS, ANYONE WHO LIVES AROUND THAT AREA WOULD KNOW, OKAY, IF YOU WANT TO GO GET CAR, YOU GO TO EXIT A SUZANNE, AND THEN YOU GET ALL THE CAR THAT YOU WANT QUITE A FEW DEALERSHIPS AROUND THAT AREA.
SO SAME AS ANY OTHER SHOPPING CENTERS, UM, WHETHER IT'S EASEL AND SHOPPING CENTER, WHETHER IT'S A MALL, UM, IT SHOULDN'T DICTATE HOW, JUST BECAUSE THERE'S A BIG, GIGANTIC SIGN IT'S GOING TO BRING IN BUSINESS.
AND I THINK AS BUSINESS GROW AND IT HAS A FEW YEARS TO IT OR SO, AND, UM, MEMBERS WILL GO JUST TO LIKE, IF I WERE TO DRIVE TO HOLLYWOOD AND IF I DRIVE ACROSS IT, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT I'M GOING TO STOP BY BECAUSE I SAW A GIGANTIC BIG SIGN RIGHT THERE.
SO I WOULD GO TO A SHOP WHERE I THINK LIKE, IF THERE'S A PANERA AND IMANI, PANERA, I WOULD KNOW WHERE IT IS IF I LIVE IN THE AREA.
SO THAT'S BASICALLY, THAT'S MY THOUGHT ON IT.
AND, AND, AND ALSO ENTITLEMENT IS NOT BECAUSE YOU WANT IT, YOU GET IT.
AND ALSO, UM, BUSINESSES, WHETHER IT'S BUSINESSES OR COMMISSIONERS, WE'RE HERE TO DICTATE IN NOT, NOT, NOT SO MUCH TO, YOU KNOW, TO ACTUALLY, UM, APPROVE A CODE.
THAT'S WHY YOU NEED TO USE WELL, THAT'S WHY YOU NEED TO GET A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT WE DO WANT TO HELP ANY BUSINESSES THAT COMES THROUGH.
HOWEVER, AT THE SAME TIME, WE ALSO NEED TO LOOK AT THE FUTURE OF ALL THE SIGNAGE ON THE FREEWAY AND ALSO ALL THE BUSINESSES.
CAN YOU IMAGINE IF EVERY BUSINESS WITH LONG WRONG FREEWAY HAVE A 50, 60 FOOT SIGNS AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT MIGHT AS WELL HAVE THE WHOLE CULTURAL AND JUST BUILT US A NICE, BEAUTIFUL ONE, PUT ALL THE SIGN OVER THERE AND JUST LINE THEM ALL UP.
IN FACT, IT'S PUT IT UP, JUST IMAGINE, YOU KNOW, 40, 50 FEET AND JUST HANDLED THROUGH OUR WEST COVINA.
IS THAT HOW I WANT OUR CITIES TO LOOK LIKE 10, 15, 20 YEARS FROM NOW? THAT'S NOT HOW I WANT TO LOOK AT.
I WANTED SOMEONE TO COME BY DRIVE ACROSS THE FREEWAY, SEE SOME BEAUTIFUL SHOPPING CENTER, JUST LIKE HOW IT IS IN AND SEE SOME SIGNAGE ON THE STORE OR AN UNDER STORE FUND ITSELF AND SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHERE I WANT TO STOP BY IT.
THIS IS THE BEAUTIFUL PLACE, NOT BEING BLOCKED BY ALL THE SIGNS, YOU KNOW, HOPE SOME OF THE FUTURE BUSINESSES OR EVEN TODAY'S BUSINESSES WOULD LOOK AT THAT AND SAY, LOOK, I LIKE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, MY CITY, WELL, ALL CITY IN ALL THE BUSINESSES AND ENTICE PEOPLE TO COME IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY CONCERNING IF, IF, AND ALSO FOR OUR COMMISSIONER AS WELL.
SO WE ALSO NEED TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
IF EVERYONE COMES THROUGH AND EVERY, EVERY WEEK EVERYONE COMES THROUGH AND ASK FOR A 50, 60, A HUNDRED FOOT SIGN, WHAT IS WHAT'S KOREAN GONNA LOOK LIKE ALONG THE FREEWAY? SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I, I AM DEEPLY CONCERNED ABOUT ALL THE SIGNS THAT I APPROVE.
I MEAN, OKAY, THE MALL IS ONE ISSUE.
THEY HAD HUNDREDS OF ACRES AND I WAS NOT REALLY COMFORTABLE A FEW YEARS BACK WHEN I APPROVED THAT.
I UNDERSTAND ALSO THE CAR DEALERSHIP HAD LOTS OF ACREAGE TO THEIR, TO THEIR, UM, TO THEIR BUSINESSES.
SO WHEN THEY ASK FOR ONE SIGN, YOU KNOW, EVEN THAT WAS DIFFICULT FOR ME IS TO APPROVE BECAUSE IF YOU DRIVE ALONG EVEN IRVINE, GLENDALE, PASADENA, GSD, ALL THAT SIGNAGE ALONG THE FREEWAY, I DROVE BY QUITE OFTEN TO THOSE, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T SEE ALL THESE SIGNS AND IT'S, WHAT'S COMING IN.
IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE, HOW IS IT GOING TO BE LIKE IN THE FUTURE? THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY.
AND IS ANYONE ELSE WANT TO ADD ANYTHING ELSE? SURE.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE IF I CAN HAVE THE RESOLUTION NUMBERS READ, PLEASE.
ANYONE SECOND FOR THAT, KEITH, THE RESOLUTION NUMBER IS 20 DASH SIX ZERO FIVE ZERO FOR THE TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP, 20 DASH SIX SIX ZERO FIVE ONE FOUR.
THE PRECISE PLAN AND 20 DASH SIX ZERO FIVE TWO FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND 20 DASH SIX ZERO FIVE THREE FOR THE ADMINISTRATIVE USE PERMIT.
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THAT'S MY MOTION TO APPROVE ALL THOSE.I SHOULD, I CAN DO IT REAL COFFEE PLEASE.
SO TO REITERATE, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER READ.
HOLTS A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HOLTS.
AND WITH THAT, UH, I WILL TAKE THE ROLL CALL.
MISSIONER KENNEDY NATIONAL RED HOLTS.
HANG NO MOTION PASSES FOUR ONE.
AND ALSO, UM, UM, 20 DASH SIX ZERO FIVE FOUR FOUR.
THE MITIGATOR NEGATIVE DECLARATION IS A SEPARATE MOTION FOR THAT.
OR, UM, I THINK IF THEY FIRST AND, UH, HAD THE MAKER AND THE SECOND AGREE THEN, IS THAT OKAY? THAT CAN BE ADDED.
SO AGAIN, UH, THE PROJECT IS APPROVED AND THE MOTION PASSES FOUR, ZERO OR FOUR TO ONE, EXCUSE ME.
AND FOR THE RECORD, THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS FROM ANY OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS THAT, THAT IS INCLUDED IN THE MOTION, CORRECT? IT APPROVAL OF, I THINK WHAT, UH, THE CITY ATTORNEY IS SUGGESTING IS THAT, UH, THAT YOU EITHER COMMISSIONERS SHOULD ALSO CONCUR WITH, UH, APPROVAL.
WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THEM.
[3. CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NO. 20-12]
MOVING ON TO PUBLIC HEARING ITEM NUMBER THREE, UM, APPLICANT IS MACINTYRE COMPANY, AND THIS IS THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.60 TALL, 60 FOOT TALL ELECTRONIC READER BOARD ORIENTED TOWARDS THE FREEWAY PROJECT SITE IS WITHIN 300 FEET OF FREEWAY CENTER LINE.
THE PROPOSED ELECTRONIC READER BOARD WOULD HAVE 672 SQUARE FOOT OF SIGN, UH, SIGN AREA, THE CUP FOR THE FREEWAY BONUS FOR ONLY ALLOWED AN ELECTRONIC READER BOARD WITH 394 SQUARE FOOT OF SIGN AREA.
THEREFORE THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE PLANNING COMMISSION CONSIDER INITIATING A CODE AMENDMENT TO ALLOW COMMERCIAL PROPERTY DIRECTLY ABUTTING THE FREEWAYS TO HAVE AN ELECTRONIC BORDER WITH AT LEAST 672 SQUARE FEET IN SIGN AREA.
AND WHO WILL BE PRESENTING JOANNE, WILL YOU BE PRESENTING? IT WILL BE PRESENTING THIS ITEM.
UM, HANGING ALSO MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE ITEM, THE PROJECT BEFORE YOU IS LOCATED ON, ON THAT DAY ITEM BEFORE YOU IS, UH, IS, UH, UM, 20,003, 20,038 SQUARE FOOT LOT IMPROVED WITH A 10,712 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE BUILDING LOCATED ON THE OFFICE PROFESSIONAL ZONE.
THE SITE IS LOCATED WEST OF THE 10 EAST FREEWAY ON RAMP NORTH TO THE NORTH OF THE SITE IS, IS A 10 INTER INTERSTATE 10 FREEWAY TO THE SOUTH OF THE SITE IS A SHOPPING CENTER, NAMELY MCENTIRE SQUARE, AND ALSO THE PUBLIC STORAGE FACILITY.
UH, THIS SITE IS CONFIGURED UNIQUE IN A WAY THAT IT'S AS LOCATED DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE FREEWAY.
AND IT ALSO IS, UH, IT IS ALSO GREATER THAN 500 FEET FROM THE NEAREST RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY ON, ON SUCH A STREET.
I'LL GO AHEAD AND GO OVER THE LOOK, THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED SIGN.
UM, IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROJECTOR AT THIS MOMENT, UH, PARTIAL SITE PLAN IS ON THE PROJECTOR.
UM, THE PROPOSED WELL EXISTING BUILDING
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IS LOCATED IN THIS AREA WHERE THE ARROW IS POINTED IN THE, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PINK PINKISH PURPLE HALF, THAT IS THE EXISTING WALKWAY THAT WAS RECENTLY IMPROVED ON, ON THE SITE.SO THAT IS THIS WALKWAY RIGHT HERE.
THE POLL, UM, WILL BE W UM, IS PROPOSED TO BE LOCATED IN THIS AREA RIGHT ALONG HERE, WHICH I BELIEVE IS IT.
UM, IF YOU'LL, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE PHOTOGRAPH OF THE BUILDING, IT WOULD BE AROUND THIS AREA RIGHT ALONG.
YOU'RE WHERE THE ARROWS POINTED, OH, SIGN IS DOUBLE FE IS A DOUBLE FAITH, FINE WITH A SINGLE HOLE FOR THE, FOR THE PYLON ON THE PROJECTOR RIGHT NOW, IS THAT, IS THAT, UM, THE ELEVATION OF THE PROPOSED SIGN WHAT'S PROPOSED? UM, WHAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING IS A 672 SQUARE FOOT ELECTRONIC READER BOARD.
UM, WITH, WITH THE SIGN BEING, UM, UP TO 60 FEET IN HEIGHT AS PROPOSED THE, UM, THE SIGN IS NOT ALLOWED BY THE ZONING CODE.
UM, DOES WHAT IS ALLOWED THROUGH THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT BY A ZONING CODE? THE ZONING CODE IS AT 394 SQUARE FOOT READER BOARD SIGN AREA.
UM, THE, THE 60 FOOT HEIGHT IS ALLOWED WITH THE FREEWAY BONUS AND NOS OFFSITE ADVERTISEMENTS IS BEING IS, IS ALLOWED OR PROPOSED AT THIS TIME.
THIS, THE, THE PURPOSE OF THE SIGNAGE IS, UM, TO ADVERTISE ONLY FOR ONSITE SERVICES.
THE APPLICANT IS ALSO REQUESTING A CODE AMENDMENT INITIALLY INITIATION TO REVISE THE WEST COVINA MUNICIPAL CODE TO ALLOW PROPERTIES DIRECTLY A BUDDING THE FREEWAY TO HAVE A LARGER SIGN.
SO, UM, AGAIN, THE, THE SIGNAGE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED IS NOT ALLOWED AT 672 SQUARE FEET.
UM, WHAT IS ALLOWED IS A THREE REDUCE SIZE OF 394 SQUARE FEET WITH THE FREEWAY BONUS.
SO, UM, I, UH, APPROXIMATELY KIND OF EYEBALLED, UM, WHAT 394 SQUARE FEET WILL LOOK LIKE IF THE SIGN WAS REDUCED.
SO THE RED OUTLINE WOULD BASICALLY SHOW, UM, IF IT WAS APPROXIMATELY IF THE HEIGHT OR OF THE READER BOARD IS APPROXIMATELY 12 FEET HEIGHT AND, AND THE, THE WIDTH OF THE READER BOARD IS REDUCED, SO THAT IT'S NO, NO MORE THAN 394 SQUARE FEET.
AND ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, UH, IT I'M SHOWING SOMETHING THAT'S SIMILAR, EXCEPT THAT IF THE HEIGHT OF THE READER BOARD WAS TO STAY AT 14 FEET AND 308 94 SQUARE IN THE SIDE SIGN IS REDUCED TO 394 SQUARE FEET.
SO THIS IS APPROXIMATELY WHAT THAT, UM, WHAT THAT SIGN WOULD LOOK LIKE, WHAT SORT OF BLACK AREA THAT YOU'RE SHOWING UP THERE.
THIS WHOLE BLACK AREA RIGHT HERE IS WHAT THE S WHAT THE PROPOSED SIGN AS IS, UM, SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANTS WOULD, WOULD LOOK LIKE.
SO THIS IS, UH, THIS IS A RENDERING OF THAT, OF THAT READER BOARD FROM THE FREEWAY.
SO THIS, THIS IS, THIS IS, UH, THE, THE WHOLE, UH, PROPOSED READER BOARD SIGN LOUIS, JUST A READER, FOR SURE.
THE, THE BLUE WITH THE RED OUTLINE IT'S IS JUST SHOWING HOW MUCH THE SIGN WOULD BE REDUCED THROUGH THIS, UM, IN ORDER FOR, IN ORDER FOR IT TO COMPLY WITH CODE THROUGH THIS AUP PROCESS.
BASICALLY, I THINK THEY WANTED THE WHOLE THING, WHICH IS THE BLUE AND THE BLACK THAT'S, HOW BIG THEY WANT IT, BUT THE CODE ONLY ALLOWED IT SUPPOSEDLY ONLY THE BLUE SECTION, AND ALSO TOO REITERATE WHAT I MENTIONED EARLIER,
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UH, ON THE OTHER PROJECT, THE CUP PROCESS IS, IS AN ENTITLEMENT PROCESS IN IT'S IT'S OBJECTIVE PLANNING, COMMISSION APPROVAL.SO IT, UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD HAVE TO ACCEPT, UM, THAT 394 SQUARE FEET READER BOARD ASSIGN AS WELL.
IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WISHES TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S OPTIONS ARE REGARDING THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AS CONDITIONED, WHICH IS APPROVED A SMALLER 9,394 SQUARE FEET, ELECTRONIC READER BOARD, OR DENY THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, OR PROVIDE AN ALTERNATIVE DIRECTION.
F AS FAR AS THE REQUESTED CODE AMENDMENT INITIATION IS CONCERNED THAT IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION CHOOSES TO INITIATE THE CODE AMENDMENT STAFF FOLDER, THE ORDINANCE, UH, UM, ONCE THE ORDINANCE IS DRAFTED, STAFF WILL GO AHEAD AND SCHEDULE THAT ITEM FOR A PLANNING COMMISSION CONSIDERATION IN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVES THE DRAFT ORDINANCE AND RECOMMENDS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVE IT, IT'LL GET SCHEDULED FOR CITY COUNCIL CONSIDERATION, THE, THE APPLICANT, I'M SORRY, THE PLANNING COMMISSION ALSO HAS THE OPTION TO TAKE NO ACTION IN THE PROPOSED CODE CODE AMENDMENT INITIATION.
IS RECOMMENDING THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION AND ALLOW US SIX 60 FOOT TALL SIGN.
THAT'S A WITH THE REDUCED 394 SQUARE FOOT ELECTRONIC READER, UM, FOR ADAM, UM, TO BE USED FOR ADVERTISEMENT FOR SERVICES OFFERED ON THE PREMISES.
UM, IN ADDITION ON THE COMMISSION MAY, UH, INITIATE A CODE AMENDMENT TO CONSIDER ALLOWING THE FREEWAY TO CONSIDER ALLOWING FREEWAY ADJACENT PROPERTIES TO HAVE A LARGER ELECTRONIC READER BOARD.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT THIS ITEM WAS A PUBLIC, UH, THIS ITEM HASN'T BEEN NOTIFIED AS A PUBLIC HEARING TO ALL TO ALL OWNERS AND OCCUPANTS WITHIN 200, WITHIN 300 FEET AWAY FROM THE SUBJECT SITE.
UM, WE HAD SENT NOTICES TO, UH, 200, UM, OWNERS AND OCCUPANTS, AND ALSO PUBLISH THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE IN THE SAN GABRIEL VALLEY TRIBUNE.
AS TODAY, STAFF DID RECEIVE FIVE EMAILS IN OPPOSITION OF THE PROPOSED SIGN AND STAFF PROVIDED THE PLANNING COMMISSION, A PRINTOUT OF ALL FIVE EMAILS IN FRONT OF, IN FRONT OF YOU PRIOR TO THE MEETING WITH THIS, JEFF CONCLUDES THE STAFF REPORT.
IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS ANY QUESTIONS I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER.
UM, JOANNE, CAN YOU THANK YOU.
THAT'S A PUSH THAT'S THE PICTURES I WANT TO PULL UP.
ANYONE WANTS TO, WELL, I JUST, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT UNUSUAL, SO I JUST MAYBE KIND OF CLARIFY A LITTLE BIT WHERE, UH, I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER SEEN IT WHERE WE'RE BEING ASKED TO APPROVE AN ITEM THAT IS OUTSIDE.
AND AT, AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE INITIATING AN ORDINANCE TO MAKE IT LEGAL, TO APPROVE THE SIGN THAT THEY'VE APPLIED FOR.
SO MAYBE WE CAN GET SO FOR CLARIFICATION, UM, WHILE THE APPLICANT ORIGINALLY REQUESTED THE LARGER BOARD STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPROVE IT CONSISTENT WITH THE CURRENT CODE, WHICH IS ONLY THE 394.
UM, THAT SAID THE APPLICANT STILL WANTS THE LARGER SIZE, SO THAT THEY'VE ALSO REQUESTED THAT YOU CONSIDER EXPANDING IT IN THE FUTURE.
AND I BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE, UH, BUILDING THE BASE OF THE SIGN SO THAT IF THIS COMMISSION AND THE COUNCIL EVENTUALLY DOES EXPAND, THEY COULD THEN EXPAND THE SCREEN SIZE.
SO IT'S ADAPTABLE TO THE LARGER READER BOARD.
NOW ON THE CODE ON THE CODE FOR THE LARGEST SIGN, IT'S LOOKS LIKE IT'S STRICTLY LIMITED TO PROPERTIES THAT DIRECTLY ABUT THE FREEWAY, CORRECT.
THAT THAT'S WHAT THAT'S, WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
UM, IT'S ALSO UP TO PLANNING THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD
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LIKE TO INCLUDE AS FAR AS THE LANGUAGE IN THE CODE AMENDMENT.AND DO WE KNOW HOW MANY PROPERTIES DIRECTLY ABOUT THE FREEWAY THAT MIGHT, UM, I DIDN'T COUNT ON HOW MANY PROPERTIES THAT ARE DIRECTLY ABOVE THE FREEWAY.
HOWEVER, UM, THERE ARE ONLY PROBABLY LIKE A HANDFUL OF PROPERTIES THAT ARE DIRECTLY ABUTTING THE FREEWAY AND ALSO 500 FEET FROM ANY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, SIMILAR TO THE SITE.
SO IT'S A, IT'S A PRETTY LIMITED NUMBER, MOST LIKELY.
AND ONE LAST ONE, WHAT, WHAT IS ALLOWED TO BE ADVERTISED ON THAT BOARD IS ONLY BUSINESSES THAT ARE IN THAT PARTICULAR BUILDING.
IN OTHER WORDS, YOU COULDN'T ADVERTISE WHAT'S ACROSS THE STREET IN THE, IN THE SQUARE.
IT WOULD HAVE TO BE IN THE BUILDING ONLY.
UM, CURRENTLY THIS, UM, THE SIGN CODE DOES NOT ALLOW OFF PREMISES ADVERTISEMENTS.
SO ONLY ON PREMISE ADVERTISEMENT IS ALLOWED, SO THEY CAN ONLY ALLOW, THEY CAN ONLY ADVERTISE FOR WHAT'S ON THAT PARTICULAR SITE.
SO WHATEVER OFFICE SERVICES THEY HAVE IS IN THAT BUILDING, IS THAT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION COULD LOOK AT? NO, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE THROUGH A SEPARATE CODE AMENDMENT.
COULDN'T PUT ON THERE, UH, OFFICE SPACE AVAILABLE OFFICE SPACE AVAILABLE.
IT HAS TO BE AN EXISTING, UH, RESIDENT IN THE BUILDING.
I MEAN, IF IT'S AN OFFICE BUILDING, SO IF, IF THERE ARE ANY OFFICE SPACES THAT ARE, THAT ARE NOT BEING LEASED AND THEY, THEY CAN PUT THAT UP THERE, THEY DO.
THEY CAN, THEY CAN, IT WOULD BE ALLOWED TO.
SO, UM, WE'RE GOING TO BE OPENING UP TO ANYONE ELSE HAS A QUESTION.
IF NOT, WE'RE GOING TO BE OPENING UP TO PUBLIC HEARING MEETING.
WE'LL BE HEARING, UM, TESTIMONY FROM THE APPLICANT, THOSE IN FAVOR, AND THEN THOSE OPPOSED, AND THEN WE'LL BE BOTTLED.
SO ANY APPLICANT PLEASE COME ON UP.
P N YEAH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, ANDY MACINTYRE, AGAIN FROM THE MACINTYRE COMPANY.
UM, GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORY HERE ON THIS WHOLE, THE SIGN, THIS SITE, AND THE WHOLE KIND OF AREA.
UM, WE ACQUIRED MCINTYRE SQUARE ACROSS THE STREET WHEN THE CENTER WAS IN DIRE REPAIR OF, OF IMPROVEMENTS, UM, SOMEWHERE AROUND 2008, EIGHT OR NINE.
AND WE, UH, YOU KNOW, STARTED THE, THE IMPROVEMENTS OF THAT CENTER IN THE MIDDLE OF THE RECESSION.
WE SIGNED SOME AMAZING TENANTS.
SOME THAT HAVEN'T MADE IT SOME THAT HAVE, UM, THAT'S JUST THE NATURE OF THE, OF THE BEAST HERE WITH RETAIL CENTERS, ESPECIALLY RETAIL IN THE, IN THE MODERN ERA.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS LOOKED AT THAT OFFICE BUILDING AS YOU KNOW, RIGHT IN FRONT OF OUR FACE OF OUR SHOPPING CENTER.
AND THAT WAS ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF AN EYESORE TO ME AND MY FAMILY ABOUT THE WAY PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD LOOK AT OUR SHOPPING CENTER AND THEY WOULD SEE THAT OFFICE BUILDING AND THAT OFFICE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, I I'VE IMPROVED IN, I'VE DONE ENOUGH PROJECTS TO KNOW THAT PEOPLE FORGET REAL QUICKLY ABOUT THE SHAPE OF WHAT THINGS WERE IN PRIOR TO THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT OCCURRED TO THEM.
AND THEY THINK THAT'S THE WAY THEY ALWAYS WERE.
AND THAT OFFICE BUILDING A YEAR AGO WAS FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, DISGUSTING.
IT WAS AN ELEVATOR THAT DIDN'T WORK A GARAGE DOOR THAT DIDN'T WORK UNDERNEATH SEWER WE'RE BACKED UP IN PROPERLY CONNECTED AIR CONDITIONING UNITS, SIX OF EIGHT WERE, WERE SIX OF 18 WORKING ADA ISSUES.
THEY HAD A BACK DOOR AND EMERGENCY BACK DOOR THAT LED TO STAIRS.
I MEAN, THAT WHOLE THING WAS A DISASTER.
THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPER OF IT SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON THEM ON THE, ON THE DESIGN.
BUT BOY, DID, THEY HAVE A LOT OF DEFERRED MAINTENANCE? SO ONE DAY, RIGHT AFTER A FRIDAY, WHEN I WAS LEAVING THE HEARSE RANCH, I GOT IN THE CAR, I DRIVE, I SAW A LITTLE TINY FOR SALE SIGN ON IT.
AND IT WAS FINALLY BOOM, OUR, OUR, OUR TARGET TO BE ABLE TO IMPROVE THAT PROPERTY, TO, TO LEAVE AN IMPRESSION ON ANY VISITOR THAT'S NOT FROM HERE.
THAT LEAVES ON THAT CITRUS EXIT, THAT THAT IS A FIRST-CLASS OFFICE BUILDING.
AND THIS IS A FIRST-CLASS CITY.
AND 10 YEARS AGO, WHEN YOU HAD GOTTEN ON THAT FREEWAY AT THAT LITTLE AREA, IF YOU WEREN'T FROM HERE, YOU DIDN'T HAVE A VERY GOOD IMPRESSION OF OUR CITY,
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BUT NOW, ESPECIALLY AFTER THE ATHLETIC LAST APPLICANT, WHEN YOU GET ON THE FREEWAY OVER THERE, EVERYBODY KNOWS BECAUSE WE'VE LIVED HERE.HOW GOOD OF A LITTLE CITY WE HAVE RIGHT OVER THERE, THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, AND, AND THIS SIGN IS GOING TO HELP US GET THAT BUILDING FULL ADVERTISE FOR OUR CITY.
OF COURSE, WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PUT ON THERE, ALL OF OUR PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENTS, WE JUST HAD A WONDERFUL EVENT UP AT THE FIELD OF VALOR ON GRAND, WHERE WE RAISED OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR FOR VETERANS.
WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO PUT STUFF LIKE THAT UP THERE TO ADVERTISE TO ALL THE PEOPLE THAT COME THROUGH THIS AREA THAT HAVE NO IDEA OF THE GREAT EVENTS WE DO.
ROTARY LIONS, CLUB, CITY EVENTS, ALL THOSE THINGS ON TOP OF THAT, WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO ATTRACT FIRST-CLASS OFFICE TENANTS IN THAT OFFICE BUILDING AND BE ABLE TO ADVERTISE SOMETHING THAT NO ONE ELSE HAS.
WHICH IS A BEAUTIFUL, AS YOU GET, AS YOU COME THROUGH THE CITY, FIRST-CLASS FIRST QUALITY NEW TECHNOLOGY, THE SIGN, THE 14 BY 48.
THE REASON WHY WE CAME UP WITH THAT IS BECAUSE THAT'S A STANDARD SIZE READER BOARD SIGN.
THE SIGN IS GOING TO COST ROUGHLY RIGHT? WE'RE PREPARED TO SPEND A MILLION DOLLARS ON IT.
THE SCREENS ARE 500,000 AND THEN THE REST OF IT, WE'RE GOING TO DRESS UP BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT A TYPICAL, I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO SAY THE B WORD.
I'M JUST GOING TO SAY, WE DO NOT WANT A TYPICAL SIGN THAT YOU SEE ON THE FREEWAY.
NOTHING ABOUT MACINTYRE IS TYPICAL.
AND WE DID NOT BELIEVE WE'RE GOING TO BE DELIVERING A TYPICAL READER BOARD, SIGN THIS SIGN, AS YOU CAN SEE, IF YOU GO BACK AND YOU SEE, WE ORIENTED IT TOWARDS THE FREEWAY, THIS SITE IS SO UNIQUE TO THE CITY FIRST.
I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD EVER LET YOU BUILD ON THIS SITE AGAIN, BECAUSE THERE IS NO PUBLIC ACCESS.
THERE WAS, I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW THE ORIGINAL BUILDERS, THIS WASN'T EVEN BUILT THAT LONG AGO.
THIS WAS BUILT IN 1991, BUT THIS IS A VERY UNIQUE SITE.
AND IF YOU SEE HOW WE POSITION THAT SIGN, WHERE IT SITS JUST ABOVE THE BUILDING, CAUSE WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE SOME GOTTI THING.
SO AS YOU'RE DRIVING EASTBOUND, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT SIGN IS SITTING DIRECTLY ON TOP OF THAT BUILDING.
AND THAT PICTURE ON THE LEFT IS IF YOU'RE STANDING ON THE BRIDGE OF THE FREEWAY THAT'S WHILE IT WAS UNDER CONSTRUCTION, GOD BLESS YOU DREW FOR WALKING OUT THERE AND TAKING THAT PICTURE ON THE LEFT.
AND THE ONE ON THE RIGHT IS IF YOU'RE LIKE ON THAT, ON-RAMP, THAT'S LIKE IF YOU'RE RIGHT UP ON IT, BUT THE OTHER ONE, AS YOU CAN SEE, SITS RIGHT UP IN THERE AND IT DOESN'T BLOCK ANY OF THE SKY.
WHAT IT DOES BLOCK IS A PART OF FOREST LAWN, WHICH I THINK WE ALL WANT TO PUT OUT OF OUR MIND UNTIL WE LAST HAVE TO THAT'S THAT'S THE MAUSOLEUM UP THERE ON THE RIGHT.
AND SO IT DOESN'T REALLY DO MUCH VISUAL.
AND YET IT IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO HELP US AS A CITY ADVERTISE AND THAT OFFICE BUILDING AND THAT SHOPPING CENTER.
BECAUSE IF ONE OF THOSE TENANTS ON THE OTHER SIDE WANTS TO COME OVER AND RENT SPACE, IT'S GOING TO HELP US.
AND I'VE HEARD, YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS SAY THIS, YOU DON'T GO FROM ZERO TO TIFFANY'S.
THAT SHOPPING CENTER WAS A ZERO WHEN WE STARTED.
AND SO WE HAVE TAKEN IT TO ONE LEVEL AND, AND WE WANT TO TAKE THE WHOLE AREA TO ANOTHER LEVEL.
WE WANT TO HAVE ALL THOSE EXCITING TENANTS AND RESTAURANTS AND COOL SPOTS TO GO TO AT NIGHT, RIGHT DOWN THE STREET FROM US.
I'M NOT SAYING THEY'RE GOING ADVERTISE ON THE SIDE.
I'M JUST GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE GENERAL FEEL OF THE AREA.
IT LEADS EVERYBODY TO THINK THIS IS A GREAT AREA, THAT SHOPPING CENTER THAT THEY JUST BUILT.
AND IT'S THE PUBLIC RETAILERS TO LIKE LEMMINGS.
ONCE THEY START SEEING STUFF HAPPEN, THEY JUST WANT TO FOLLOW IT.
SO WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO CONTINUE.
WE STARTED WITH THE GROVE, THEN THE SQUARE, THEN WE GOT SPROUTS.
AND THIS IS THE TYPE OF MOMENTUM ON CITRUS THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO KEEP GOING FOR A LONG TIME.
ANYBODY WHO FOLLOWED DOWNTOWN PASADENA KNOWS THAT IT WAS HORRIBLE 30 YEARS AGO.
AND THEN THAT'S WHY I ALWAYS USE THE ZERO TO TIFFANY'S.
NOW THEY GOT A, TIFFANY'S SITTING IN THE MIDDLE OF DOWNTOWN PASADENA IF SAID AT 30 YEARS AGO, THEY'D BE LIKE, YOU'RE OUT OF YOUR MIND.
AND SO WE JUST WANT TO CONTINUE TO ADD VALUE ASSETS, QUALITY PROJECTS.
AND IN OUR EXPERIENCE, SIGNAGE IS VERY IMPORTANT.
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GOT A NOTE.IT GOT A PHONE CALL FROM A ATTENDANT IN THE BUILDING ACROSS THE WAY THAT SAID, I WOULD LOVE TO COME OVER TO YOUR BUILDING.
IF YOU GET THIS APPROVED, HE'S ONE OF MY ROTARIANS.
HE HEARD IT, HE SAW IT, HE GOT IT IN THE 100 CITRUS BUILDING.
AND HE'S IMMEDIATELY SAYING, THAT'S, THAT'S A WONDERFUL ADDITION.
SO IT'S THAT TYPE OF MOMENTUM AND QUALITY PROJECTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THAT WE'VE BEEN BRINGING.
AND, UH, WE HOPEFULLY URGE YOU TO, OR PLEASE APPROVE THIS PROJECT TONIGHT.
AND IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS, DREW'S HERE.
HE'S OUR ENGINEER OF ALL OF OUR SCIENCE.
IT'S A BUNCH OF STUFF FOR US, JUST FOR US IN DOWNTOWN COVINA.
I MEAN, WE HAVE HIGHLY SENSITIVITIES TO HEIGHT.
I DON'T WANT THINGS TO LOOK GAUDY.
AND SO HE'S HELPED US ALONG THE YEARS DEVELOP A GREAT SIGN PROGRAM FOR THE SQUARE AND THE GROVE.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TECHNICALITIES OF THE SIGN, HE'S HERE TO ANSWER THOSE YOU.
HAVE YOU, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED PUTTING THE SIGN ON TOP OF THE BUILDING? IT'S THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE BUILDING WOULD, IT'S RATHER DIFFICULT.
IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND SHARING HOW MUCH HE ENDED THAT BUILDING FOR.
IT'S UH, WE PURCHASED THE BUILDING FOR 2.6 MILLION.
WE'VE PUT $700,000 INTO THE IMPROVEMENTS OF IT.
I GUARANTEE YOU NOT VERY MANY BUILDINGS, MAYBE THE CITY HALL, BECAUSE THE ONLY GOVERNMENT'S REALLY USED TO RAZO THE SCHOOLS.
BUT, UM, WE DID ALL THE BRICK.
WE DID ALL THE ADA ACCESS, AIR CONDITIONING ELEVATORS, UNDERGROUND PARKING.
I REALLY URGE ANYBODY TO PLEASE GO IN THERE.
WE STILL HAVE A COUPLE OF LITTLE ARCHITECTURAL GET SOME AWNINGS.
WE GOT TO PUT ON IT, UH, CLEANED UP THE LIGHTING, BUT WE'RE IN IT FOR RIGHT NOW, SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF $3.3 MILLION.
AND THEN THIS'LL BE ANOTHER BILLION DOLLARS.
HOW MANY TENANTS ARE YOU EXPECTING TO BE IN THAT PARTICULAR BUILDINGS CURRENTLY? RIGHT.
AND I THINK WE HAVE SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 12 TENANTS IN THERE, TALL TENANTS.
I MEAN, DEPENDING ON IF SOMEBODY TAKES MO MULTIPLE, WE HAVE 12 ADDRESSES.
1200 SQUARE FOOT TENANTS, A THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT TENANTS.
IT'S ABOUT SOME ARE 800, SOME ARE 1600.
SO REALLY WEIRD SHAPED BUILDING.
SO POTENTIALLY 12 TENANT MAX, AYE.
IN TODAY'S WORLD OF OFFICE SPACE WHERE YOU HAVE THESE LITTLE OFFICES THAT YOU RAN.
I MEAN, IF YOU ASK BRANK A TOWER, THEY GOT REGIS IN THERE AND THEY GOT FLOORS WHERE THEY HAVE EVERYBODY TAKES A LITTLE OFFICE.
WE HAVE PARKING RESTRICTIONS, ALTHOUGH WE HAVE THE SQUARE ACROSS THE STREET TO LIMIT THAT.
BUT TECH, I MEAN, YOU ASKED ME A TECHNICAL QUESTION.
SO TECHNICALLY WE HAVE 12 ADDRESSES.
SO 12 TENANTS, DO I EXPECT 12? I HOPE WE GET ONE.
I WANT SOMEBODY TO TAKE THE WHOLE BUILDING.
I UNDERSTAND IN A PERFECT WORLD.
ANYONE ELSE COME UP AND TALK SALONE FROM EAGLE SCIENCE, LIKE ANDY REFERENCED.
AND I JUST WANTED TO ADD ON TO A COUPLE OF THINGS OF WHY THINGS ARE THE WAY THEY ARE WITH THE PROPOSAL.
UH, JOANNE, IF YOU COULD BRING UP THE PAGE WITH THE PROPOSED SITE, HEY, YO.
THE REASON FOR THE SIZE OF YOUR WONDERING, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WHY OUTSIDE OF CODE OR WHAT IS IT'S TWOFOLD AS ANDY HAD REFERENCES, IT'S A STANDARD SIZE FOR A READER BOARD.
SO THOSE ARE ALREADY PRE-ENGINEERED PRE-MADE YOU CAN BUY THEM ALMOST KIND OF LIKE AN OFF THE SHELF ITEM.
IT'S A STANDARD SIZE YOU SEE DRIVING UP AND DOWN A HIGHWAY, A FREEWAY JUST ABOUT ANYWHERE TO HAVE SOMETHING CUSTOM ENGINEERED AND CUSTOM BUILT.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO OR THREE TIMES THE COST.
SO, WHEREAS MAYBE THEY COULD, THEY'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT ABOUT BETWEEN ONE AND 2 MILLION TO DO THIS.
IF THEY WERE TO DO YOU KNOW WHAT JOANNE HAD KIND OF SCOPED OUT, MAYBE BRING IT DOWN INTO THIS INTO A MORE, UH, SIZE THAT'S TO CURRENT CODE.
THEY WOULD PROBABLY LOOK MORE LIKE FOUR TO $6 MILLION.
SO IT'S A HUGE PRICE DIFFERENCE ON THE TENANTS THEN.
AND THEN AS FAR AS THE SITE PLAN GOES, WHAT SHE HAD DRAWN OUT WOULD WORK PERFECT IF THEY COULD PUT IT ON THE FREEWAY SIDE OF THE PARKING LOT, BUT WE CAN'T GO EAST BECAUSE OF THE WASH GROUND HAS TO BE STABLE ENGINEERING
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FOR THE WIND LOAD AND SOIL CONDITIONS.SO, UH, AS YOU SEE ON HERE, THE PINK AND PURPLE, THAT WAS THE NEW ADA RAMP THAT WAS PUT IN.
YOU SEE THE LITTLE ORANGE SECTION WAS THE OLD ONE AND THEY PURPOSELY MADE GO AROUND.
SO WE COULD HAVE FULL CLEARANCE FROM THE STREET AND SIDEWALK SO THAT THERE'S NO OVERHANG OF THE SIGN OF ANY KIND OVER ANY ABUTMENT OR WHETHER YOU CALL IT DRIP LINE.
THEY'RE NEVER COMING TO ANY WATERFALL AND THEN THE SIDEWALKERS STREET.
SO, BUT TO PUT IT IN THIS PLANTER ALL THE WAY ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE PARKING LOT FROM THE STREET TO HAVE THAT STANDARD SHAPE WOULD BE THE ONLY WAY TO GIVE IT A FREEWAY VISIBILITY.
IF IT WERE CONFINED TO THE LESSER WITH LIKE JOANNE HAD SHOWED, UM, IT WOULDN'T HAVE THE FREEWAY VISIBILITY.
SO IT WAS TWOFOLD IN THAT POINT.
AND THEN, UH, ALSO HAS A POINT OF REFERENCE THE ANGEL SIGN ALONG THE 57 FREEWAY THAT YOU MENTIONED IS 230 FEET TALL.
WE'VE WORKED ON IT SEVERAL TIMES.
SO IT'S FOUR TIMES THE HEIGHT, IT'S ALL PERSPECTIVE AND THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY AND HOW FAR YOU ARE FROM THE FREEWAY.
IF YOU WERE RIGHT ON THE FREEWAY, SOMETHING THAT'S 40 TO 50 FEET TALL LOOKS HUGE BECAUSE YOU GET 20, 40, 60 FEET AWAY.
AND THAT'S WHY THAT SIGHT LINE THAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT.
THE EASTBOUND TRAFFIC WAS SO IMPORTANT AT THE BOTTOM OF THE BOARD WAS ANY LOWER THAN IT'S BEING PROPOSED.
IT WOULD BE KIND OF POINTLESS BECAUSE YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SEE THE BOTTOM OF IT.
SO THE WHOLE POINT IS FOR OFFICE TYPE TENANTS TO BE ADVERTISED.
SO WHO'S GOING TO GO ON A TYPE OF BUILDING LIKE THIS.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LAWYERS, DOCTORS, DENTISTS, CPAS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE ARE GONNA USE THIS BUILDING, YOU KNOW, AND IF YOU WENT A COUPLE OF TIMES, WEST OR ANOTHER SIDE OF KELLOGG HILL, YOU KNOW, THERE'S PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT ADVERTISE AND TAKE THE BUSINESS AWAY FROM WEST COVINA.
BUT IF YOU COULD HAVE THOSE TYPES OF BUSINESSES IN THIS BUILDING AND YOU COULD SEE THAT THEY'RE THERE FROM THE FREEWAY, THAT'S A GREAT BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY FOR THE TENANTS.
SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT A COUPLE OF THOSE THINGS THAT YOU'LL SEE IN CITIES, EAST AND WEST, EVEN IF YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU SAID, PASADENA, GLENDALE, BURBANK, BURBANK, YOU'VE GOT GIANT MULTI-TENANT SIGNS WITH THE FULL AIRPLANES ON TOP, YOU KNOW, PASADENA, YOU'VE GOT LAND ROVER SPROUTS AND CADILLAC, ALL HUGE SIGNS, RIGHT ON THE FREEWAY FROM GLENDALE.
YOU'VE GOT THE MID RISE TO HIGH RISE BUILDINGS, ALL WITH SIGNS.
SO, UH, WHEN YOU REFERENCED THOSE CITIES, THIS IS NOT OUT OF THE NORM.
THIS IS SOMETHING YOU'LL SEE IN ALL THE CITIES AROUND.
AND, UH, IT'S ALL ABOUT COMPETITION FOR BUSINESS CURRENTLY.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE SEE IT EVERY DAY BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT WE DO FOR A LIVING.
EVERY CITY IS GOING AFTER EVERY 10TH, THEY CAN THE TAX REVENUE AND BECAUSE THEY WANT TO KEEP THEIR CITIES ALIVE AND VIBRANT, THE CITIES THAT ARE STAYING TRUE TO THE OLD WAYS AND STUFF, I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO HURT.
WHEREAS PEOPLE WHO ARE ADAPTIVE AND SEE, HEY, THE BUSINESS CLIMATE, THE WORLD HAS CHANGED.
IF WE CAN'T ATTRACT PEOPLE TO OUR BUILDINGS, OUR CENTERS, OUR CITY, I MEAN, YOU CAN FIGURE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
SO, I MEAN, THIS IS THE WORLD THAT WE LIVE IN.
WHEREAS MOST PEOPLE PROBABLY AREN'T RIGHT NOW BECAUSE EVERYONE IS TRAINED TO REDO WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND HAVE A DIFFERENT WAY OF LOOKING AT THINGS AND ATTRACTING BUSINESS.
AND THIS IS EXACTLY THE TYPE OF THING THAT YOU'RE SEEING EVERYWHERE.
AS I DO WANT TO BE COMPETITIVE FOR YOUR CITY AND AS PROSPECTIVE TENANTS, OR, YOU KNOW, DO YOU WANT TO LET THEM GO TO THE NEXT TOWN OVER? WELL, THEY WILL LET THEM.
SO I MEAN, EVERYTHING THAT'S DONE HERE IS DONE FOR A REASON.
IT WASN'T JUST LIKE, LET'S PUT THIS UP AT THIS SIZE.
IT WAS ALL CONSIDERED BASED ON ENGINEERING, VISIBILITY, PRICE, FEASIBILITY, AND WHAT'S BEST FOR TENANTS IN BUSINESS.
SO IN, IN TERMS OF PERSPECTIVES, YOU HAD MENTIONED OTHER CITIES IN OTHER SIGNS, SIGNAGE, AND IN TERMS OF BUILDINGS, I DO WANT TO BRING YOU TO A POINT THOUGH, BECAUSE SOME OF THE CITIES DO HAVE BIG SIGNS, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE BUILDING THAT'S A LOT TALLER AND A LOT BIGGER AS WELL.
JUST LIKE SOME OF THE DOWNTOWN BUILDINGS THAT WE DRIVE BY.
WE DO SEE THOSE SIGNS ON TOP OF THE BUILDINGS AND WHAT HAVE YOU, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE A COUPLE OF HUNDREDS, IF NOT THOUSANDS OF TENANTS ALSO IN THAT THOSE LARGER BUILDINGS AND THE SIGN IS, YOU SAID IT'S RELATIVE, IT'S RELATIVE TO THE BUILDING.
IT'S RELATIVE TO THE OLD WALL AREA IN ALSO THE SKYLINE OF OUR CITY AS WELL.
I MEAN, I APPRECIATE HOW, YOU KNOW, YOU COME UP HERE AND YOU GIVE US YOUR EXPERTISE AND YOU SHOULD, YOU ALSO KNOW THIS AS WELL BECAUSE WITH THE SIGNAGE THAT YOU WORKED ON AND ALSO WITH THE BUILDING THAT YOU WORKED ON, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WHEN YOU HAVE A HUMONGOUS BUILDING AND IN, IN, IN WEST COVINA, WE DON'T HAVE THAT MANY BIG, GIANT SKYSCRAPER TYPE OF BUILDING.
I THINK WE HAVE ONE ALONG THE FREEWAY THAT IS THE TALLERS 100 SOUTH BARRANCA.
AND IN THEIR INSTANCE, THEY HAVE USED THEIR LAND AS MUCH AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN.
THEY COULD NOT POSSIBLY DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS BECAUSE THEY HAVE A MULTILEVEL SUBTERRANEAN PARKING GARAGE THAT IT BUTTS RIGHT UP TO THEIR PROPERTY
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LINES.SO THAT WAS A PERSONAL CHOICE OF DEVELOPER OF THAT.
BUT YOU SEE THE SIGNAGE THAT THEY HAD IS RELATIVE TO THE BUILDING AND, AND, AND TRUE PERSPECTIVE.
SO, UM, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THE SIGNAGE IS NOT GOOD.
I MEAN, THE SIGNAGE IS GOOD, BUT IT ALSO NEEDS TO BE PERSPECTIVE TO ALL OUR CITIES, OUR SKYLINE, AND ALSO TO THE WELLBEING OF EVERYONE IN WEST COVINA WHO ARE RESIDENTS THAT WHEN THEY DRIVE BY, WELL, THEY BLOCK THEIR VIEW OF, I DON'T KNOW WHAT VIEW THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT, BUT WE DO HAVE MOUNTAIN VIEWS.
WE DO HAVE, I DON'T KNOW, AMONG WE WOULD HAVE THE NORTH MANU OR THE SOUTH, AND WE ALSO HAVE SOUTH HILLS HILLS.
SO, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE EVERYTHING THAT WE DO HAVE TO, AS A COMMISSIONERS, WE DO NEED TO TAKE THAT IN AS A RESIDENCE, INTO CONSIDERATION.
AND THAT'S WHY WE KIND OF SHOWED THE PERSPECTIVE PHOTOS TO HOUSE, NOT ANYTHING.
AND THE CURRENT, UH, NRCC, THE TITLE 24 CODES FOR LIGHTING APPLIES TO SIGN LIGHTING.
AND IN 2019, IT WAS AMENDED FOR READER BOARDS.
THEY REFER TO THEM AS EMCS ELECTRONIC MESSAGE CENTERS, WHICH HAVE TO BE FULLY DIMMABLE OR AUTO-DIMMING.
YOU MAY RECALL WHEN THESE FIRST CAME OUT, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY BE DRIVING DOWN THE FREEWAY AT NIGHT AND IT WOULD BE BRIGHT ALMOST, YOU KNOW, THERE'D BE GLARE.
SO, OR DURING THE DAY YOU COULDN'T SEE IT CAUSE IT WAS TOO DIM.
SO NOW THERE ARE NEW CODES INSTITUTED THAT THEY HAVE TO BE, SELF-ACTUALIZING WHERE IT'S BUILT INTO THEM TO, THEY CAN DIM BASED ON IF IT'S GETTING DARK EARLY, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S CLOUDY OUT AND THERE'S LESS LIGHT, IF IT'S BRIGHT SUNSHINE, THEY CAN DEM UP TO 65% NOW TO AVOID GLARING LIKE THAT.
SO THIS IS ALL CURRENT TECHNOLOGY AND THINGS THAT'S GOING ON, YOU KNOW, EVERYWHERE AROUND HERE THAT PEOPLE ARE DOING TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE THEIR PROPERTIES BETTER, EXPAND THEIR BUSINESS.
AND IT'S LIKE I SAID, EVERYTHING HERE HAS BEEN SO WELL THOUGHT OUT AND PRE-PLANNED THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HERE FOR A REASON.
SO IS THE SIGN THE SAME SITE? OKAY.
SO IF I'M GOING DOWN THE 10, IF I'M GOING EAST AND I GO THROUGH BALLPARK, I THINK IT'S LATE LAWS.
UH, THEY HAVE A RE THEY HAVE WRITTEN BORDERS THAT YES, IT STILL GIVE THE SAME SIZE WOULD BE EXACTLY THE SAME SIZE BECAUSE THEY ENTERED SIZE IT'S RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM LATE LODGE REFERRING TO.
AND ANYONE ELSE IN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT WOULD LIKE TO COME UP, IF NOT, THEN THOSE OPPOSED TO ELECT TO COME UP G THANK YOU.
I WILL BE THE SIXTH RESIDENT THAT OPPOSES THIS.
UM, OF COURSE THE MACINTYRE FAMILY AND THE FELLOW THAT'S GOING TO INSTALL.
IT ARE SUPER ENERGETIC ABOUT THIS, BUT THE RESIDENTS ARE NOT A BRICK AND MORTARS HURTING.
AND I, WE ARE ALL CHANGING IN 2020, AND WE'RE FORCED TO, BECAUSE OF COVID.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WILL GO BACK IN 2021.
EVERYBODY'S ADAPTED TO ZOOM AND EVERYBODY'S ADAPTED TO THE NEW WAY OF TECHNOLOGY.
THAT BUILDING HAS STOOD THERE FOR MANY YEARS AND IT WAS EMPTY.
SO ALL THE, UM, INTERIOR DESIGN IS WONDERFUL, BUT YOU MAY NOT BRING PEOPLE BACK IN THERE JUST BECAUSE IT'S BEAUTIFULLY DECORATED.
UM, WHAT I AM HERE TO OPPOSE IS A DIGITAL READER BOARD.
THIS IS NOT A BOARD LIKE LAY LAWS.
IF, UH, HE WANTS TO BUILD A BOARD, HE SHOULD BUILD IT UNDER THE RESTRAINTS OF WHAT THE CURRENT ZONING LAWS.
THAT'S WHAT US RESIDENTS WANT.
WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING OVERSIZED.
THE MALL HAS THE MAJOR STORES AND I, YOU GOT WHOEVER APPROVED THAT.
WELL THAT'S THAT'S WAS THEN, BUT THIS IS A SMALLER LOCATION AND IT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED THAT WAY.
IT SHOULD BE APPROPRIATELY SIZED FOR THAT 12 BUSINESSES THAT POTENTIALLY GOING IN THEIR REPORT.
ALSO STATES THAT THERE'LL BE NO ANTICIPATED INCREASE IN TRAFFIC.
I BELIEVE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE DIGITAL BOARD PURPOSE SIGN IS TO INCREASE TRAFFIC.
IT'S TWO, IT'S THE ENTRANCE TO THE FREEWAY.
SO RIGHT THERE ON SOUTH GARVEY AVENUE, THAT'S STRIP MALL IS A BUSY ONE CURRENTLY.
SO YES, IT'S GOING TO INCREASE TRAFFIC AS WELL.
THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS HUGE BOARD IS TO BRING MORE TRAFFIC IN.
ALTHOUGH WE HAVE THE FREEWAY CORRIDOR OFF THE 10, LET'S HAVE SOME CHARACTER AND TASTE AND WHAT WE'VE HAD IN OUR CITY, WE
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DON'T HAVE TO GO THE DIGITAL WAY.AND I WOULD JUST ASK NO EXCEPTIONS IF THEY WANT TO PUT A BOOK, THERE'S NICE SIGNAGE IN THE MACINTYRE SQUARE.
NOW I AM OPPOSED ANY DIGITAL AS THE OTHER FIVE RESIDENTS.
AND THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE RESIDENTS OPPOSING IF IT WASN'T THE TWO DAYS BEFORE THANKSGIVING.
I ASKED YOU A QUESTION, JOANNE.
YOU REMEMBER WHEN WE NOT TOO LONG AGO, WE PUT UP A READER AT THE DOCTOR'S OFFICE AT THE DOCTOR'S HOSPITAL.
HOW BIG DO YOU REMEMBER HOW BIG THAT SIGN WAS? SO THAT'S A READER BOARD.
YES, IT IS A, IT IS A READER BOARD.
I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY HOW LARGE THAT WAS.
I, I DIDN'T LOOK INTO IT PRIOR TO THIS MEETING.
I, I, YOU KNOW, I HAD MIXED EMOTIONS AT THE TIME THEY PUT IT IN, BUT, UH, NOW IT JUST BLENDS RIGHT IN.
AND YOU, YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU GET TO SEE THINGS AND ALL THAT.
AND I THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD, GOOD IT, YOU KNOW, ADD TO IT.
SO I'M JUST WONDERING IN COMPARISON SIZE WISE AT THE TIME, THE DOCTORS, UM, AT THE TIME THE, THAT READER BOARD WAS, WAS APPROVED.
HOWEVER, UM, IT WAS, UH, THE APPLICATION THAT CAME IN FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO REVIEW WAS A VARIANCE.
UM, AFTER, AFTER THE APPROVAL OF THAT PARTICULAR, SHORTLY AFTER THE APPROVAL OF THAT PARTICULAR READER, BOARD SIGN IN ALSO THE SCHOOL NORTHWESTERN COLLEGE ACROSS, ACROSS THE FREEWAY, THE CITY ADOPTED A CODE AMENDMENT.
DIGITAL READER BOARDS ON, ON, UM, ON PROPERTIES ADJACENT TO, SO JUST FROM MY SEAT, I ALWAYS, I ALWAYS LOOK AT THAT BUILDING EVERY TIME I'D GO BY.
AND I THINK, GEE, WHAT A NICE BUILDING.
I COULD NEVER UNDERSTAND WHY IT WASN'T FILLED TO CAPACITY.
UH, MR. MACINTYRE JUST ENLIGHTENED ME, ALL THE THINGS THAT I'D HAD WRONG WITH IT.
I NO WONDER IT WASN'T FILLED TO CAPACITY, BUT IT'S JUST A UNIQUE BUILDING.
I MEAN, UH, I'M A FANATIC FOR BRICK BUILDINGS, BUT IT'S, IT'S JUST REALLY A NICE BUILDING.
AND, UH, I THINK ALL THE MONEY HE'S PUTTING IN IT, AND IT LOOKS AT MATTER OF FACT, HE'S GOT FLOWERS AROUND IT AND ON EVERYTHING ELSE, EVEN THAT LITTLE TOUCH ADDS NICE TO IT.
AND IT'S RIGHT ON THE, UH, ON-RAMP AND EVERYTHING IT'S, UH, I THINK WITH, WITH WHAT HE'S PUTTING INTO IT, I THINK IT'D BE FILLED UP AND I THINK IT'D BE A VALUE ADDED.
I, ADAM CHAIR, YOU KNOW, HE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO REBUT HIS WAY WE HAD DISCUSSION.
NOT BECAUSE HE NEEDS TO REBUT THE APPLICANT HAS A CHANCE TO REVIEW.
I KNOW I'M JUST SPEAKING OUT, JUST TRYING TO GET SOME PROSPECT AS TO WHAT THAT LAST SIGN THAT WE AGREED TO PUT IN AND IT'S IN COMPARED TO WHAT THIS ONE WOULD BE.
SO HE ASKED HIS QUESTIONS AND WE'LL COME BACK AND REVISIT THAT QUESTIONS.
UM, ANYONE ELSE OPPOSE WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND IT WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP AND BE PART OR JUNE TO TRY TO REBUT, UH, THIS IS A UNIQUE PIECE OF PROPERTY WHERE, UM, THERE'S NOTHING ELSE LIKE IT IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND I PROMISE YOU UNDER TODAY'S CODES AND REGULATIONS, NOTHING WILL EVER BE BUILT LIKE IT AGAIN.
UM, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, AS YOU SAID, WE, WE WANT TO GET THIS THING FULLY TELEVISED.
AND WE SEE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE WHOLE AREA.
I WANT TO CONSTANTLY HIT BACK ON THAT BECAUSE OF HOW BAD OF AN AREA THE WHOLE AREA WAS.
AND THIS IS GOING TO BE THE FINAL CHERRY ON TOP TO BE ABLE TO MAXIMIZE THAT AREA TO THE BEST OF ITS CURRENT CONDITIONS.
WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF HIGH BUILDINGS, LIKE YOU SAY, TO BE ABLE TO PUT SIGNAGE ON THE TOP OF THEM.
UM, THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT COMPONENT TO BE ABLE TO ATTRACT THE HIGHEST QUALITY OFFICE TENANTS YOU POSSIBLY COULD HAVE FOR THAT SITE AND SOMEBODY THAT MIGHT BE WILLING TO ACCEPT THEM A LITTLE BIT SMALLER.
CAUSE IT'S NOT THAT BIG OF A BUILDING WOULD MAYBE CONSIDER SAYING I'M GOING TO GO IN HERE BECAUSE OF THEIR ABILITY TO BE ON THAT SIGNAGE.
AND IF THERE COULD ANYBODY BRING UP SOME OF THE FACTORS OF
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WHAT I MIGHT REBUT FROM, I MEAN, I THINK IT WAS ANGIE, ANGIE, ANGIE, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S A PERSPECTIVE PERSPECTIVE, HIS PERSPECTIVE.SO HER PERSPECTIVE IS THAT IT'S, IT'S OVER THE TOP.
MY PERSPECTIVE IS IT FITS PERFECTLY.
IT'S A MATTER OF TASTE IN THAT PERSPECTIVE.
SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S REALLY ANYTHING TO RE, BUT FROM A, FROM A FACTUAL STAMP, I HAVE A QUESTION I'M SURE ANGIE DID BRING UP, YOU KNOW, DIGITAL AND YOU KNOW, THIS IS, CAN, CAN WE TALK ABOUT THE, THE TECHNOLOGY THAT'S IN THIS BOARD? WHAT, WHAT WILL IT DO? I MEAN, IS IT JUST GOING TO, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME, IF YOU GO DOWN THE FREEWAY, YOU SEE ANIMATION, YOU SEE, YOU KNOW, ALL KINDS OF INTERESTING THINGS AS YOU'RE DRIVING, NOT JUST NAMES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
I MEAN, IS THIS, WHAT IS THE CAPABILITY OF THIS BOARD? WHAT'S IT GOING TO DO? TECHNICALLY, WHAT'S THE CAPABILITY THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING THIS, BUT WE COULD WATCH THE SUPER BOWL ON THIS SCREEN.
THIS IS THE HIGHEST QUALITY TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED SCREEN AS ANYBODY HAS ANYWHERE, AS FAR AS DIODES LEDS, CLARITY, THIS IS GOING TO LOOK CLEAR AS DAY AS, AS GOOD AS ANY TV THAT YOU SEE ANYWHERE.
I WAS LIKE, HE'S LIKE, IS IT LIKE, SO STADIUM, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TELLING HIM? YEAH.
WELL, SOFA HAS A THREE 60 GOING ON INSIDE OF IT, BUT TECHNICALLY THE CLARITY IS GOING TO BE AT THAT LEVEL.
AND IT'S JUST GOING TO REINFORCE THE BUSINESS FRIENDLY COMMUNITY THAT WEST COVINA IS.
AND THE FACT THAT WE'RE ON TOP OF WHAT BUSINESSES NEED, THIS IS GOING TO BE A COMPLETE EXAMPLE OF, OF THAT TO LET PEOPLE KNOW AS THEY'RE CRUISING THROUGH THE 10 FREEWAY, THAT WEST COVINA IS A TOP-NOTCH TECHNOLOGICAL BUSINESS FRIENDLY CITY.
AND THERE'S, THIS IS GOING TO SCREAM THAT, THANK YOU.
WE HAVE EVERYONE WHO'S OPPOSED ON THE PHOTO.
SO I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND OPEN, FULL COMMISSION.
ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO GO FIRST OR ALL GO.
UM, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, WITH THE LAST PROJECT, HOW THIS PARTICULAR AREA, THIS CORRIDOR HAS EXPERIENCED A, A RENAISSANCE AND A REBIRTH AND A RE GROWTH.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE MACINTYRE PROPERTIES HAVE BEEN A BIG PART OF THAT.
UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S FUNNY YOU TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT HAVE, THAT HAVE MOVED HERE RECENTLY.
THEY DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY OF THESE PROPERTIES, YOU KNOW, OVER BY MY AREA, PEOPLE THAT HAVE MOVED HERE IN THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, THEY GO BY THE HEIGHTS SHOPPING CENTER.
THEY DON'T KNOW THE HORRIBLE HISTORY OF THAT BKK PROPERTY.
WE WENT THROUGH OVER THERE FOR ALL THOSE YEARS.
ALL THEY SEE IS A NICE TARGET.
YOU KNOW, THEY SEE A HOME DEPOT, THIS IS A CENTER THAT WAS ORIGINALLY LIKE A B CENTER.
AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S DOING QUITE WELL.
AND YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S, IT'S PEOPLE, NOT ALL THEY SEE IS WHAT THEY SEE NOW.
THEY DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY, THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT WE WENT THROUGH.
AND THE SAME THING IS TRUE AS YOU GO ON THE 10 FREEWAY WITH THE EASTLAND CENTER AND, AND THE SQUARE, WHAT USED TO BE COUNTRY CLUB CENTER.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU ALSO BROUGHT US THE NISSAN DEALERSHIP IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
SO, YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER MANY YEARS AGO I MANAGED THE SHOE PAVILION STORE, WHICH WAS NEXT TO THE OLD LUCKY, YOU KNOW, BEFORE IT EVEN BECAME ALBERTSON'S, YOU KNOW, AND ACROSS THE STREET, THERE WAS A RUNDOWN STRIP CENTER, YOU KNOW, A LOW RISE WITH FI WITH A BAR AND GOD KNOWS IN A CLOTHING STORE AND IT WAS JUST A DISASTER.
AND THAT'S ONE, PROBABLY ONE REASON WHY THE STORE, YOU KNOW, WAS GONE IN FIVE YEARS, BECAUSE IF, WHAT WAS THERE TODAY, WAS THERE BACK IN 98, IT MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT STORY, BUT YOU KNOW, THESE THINGS HAVE EVOLVED.
AND AGAIN, UH, NO, I HATE TO SEE WHAT I SAID BEFORE, BUT WE HAD WEST COVINA LIVES OFF OF SALES TAX AND PROPERTY TAX.
WE DON'T HAVE A MANUFACTURING BASE.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE LIVE OFF SALES TAX
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AND WE LIVE OFF OF PROPERTY TAX.AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF A, YOU GOTTA BE CAREFUL WITH THAT WORD BECAUSE TRAFFIC DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN, YOU KNOW, CARS BACKED UP AND STUCK IN IT.
IT MEANS TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH THE CENTER.
IT MEANS TRAFFIC GETTING OFF THE FREEWAY AND VISITING THE CENTERS.
AND NO, TO ME, UH, THE, THE MACINTYRE PEOPLE, THE MACINTYRE FAMILY IS ONE OF THE THINGS THEY'RE KNOWN FOR IS DEVELOPING, BUILDING AND MANAGING AND RETAINING THE PROPERTY.
THEY DON'T BUILD IT AND RUN AND LEAVE IT TO SOMEBODY.
WE'VE SEEN THIS IN OTHER SHOPPING CENTERS IN THIS CITY, OR DEVELOPERS COME IN, MY GLASSES ARE FOGGING UP WITH A STUPID ASS, BUT WHEN DEVELOPERS COME IN AND THEY BUY A PROPERTY AND THEY, AND THEN THEY LEAVE IT AND THEN YOU SEE A CHANGE HANDS OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
AND THE PROPERTY BEGINS TO DETERIORATE BECAUSE NOBODY'S REALLY KEEPING AN EYE ON IT.
SEE THE MACINTYRE PROPERTIES ARE WELL-MANAGED WELL-MAINTAINED AND ARE BUILT TO LAST AND BUILT TO ENDURE.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT TO BELIEVE THAT THE SAME THING IS TRUE WITH THIS BUILDING.
YOU KNOW, AS WE'VE ALL SAID, THE BUILDING SAT THERE EMPTY, AND YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? WHETHER OR NOT THE BUILDING SUCCEEDS, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S IT FILLS UP OR REMAINS IT, THAT'S UP TO MR. MACINTYRE TO MARKET IT AND FILL IT.
THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IF IT DOESN'T HAPPEN, NOTHING OUT OF MY POCKET, BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M LOOKING TO HELP THAT BUILDING SUCCEED.
I'M LOOKING TO HELP DRAW PEOPLE INTO THE CITY TO DRAW THEM OFF THE FREEWAY.
I MEAN, EVENTUALLY WE'RE GONNA GET THROUGH THIS COVID THING.
I HOPE AT SOME POINT AND PEOPLE WILL AGAIN, AND ANGIE'S RIGHT.
I MEAN, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE USED TO THIS NEW WAY OF SHOPPING, BUT YOU HAVE TO KIND OF ADAPT AND YOU HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, ZIG AND ZAG AND, AND, AND MAKE THINGS WORK.
AND, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE STILL GONNA EAT.
THEY'RE STILL GONNA, YOU KNOW, WANT TO GO BE ENTERTAINED.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD HE EVENTUALLY PUTS IN THIS BUILDING, UH, IS GOING TO NEED HELP TO ATTRACT PEOPLE? AND, YOU KNOW, I, UH, AND AGAIN, I MEAN, I REALIZED THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE BEING ASKED TO APPROVE SOMETHING WE DON'T ALLOW, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE ASKED TO, UH, INITIATE AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD ALLOW IT.
SO, AND THERE AREN'T THAT MANY, UH, SUBJECT PROPERTIES THAT WOULD BE, WOULD FIT INTO THAT CATEGORY.
SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I'M NOT GOING TO CHANGE MY MIND NOW.
I LIKE, UH, I LIKE READER BOARD SIGNS.
I LIKE SIGNS THAT, UH, UH, ATTRACT PEOPLE IN THE WEST COVINA.
AND AGAIN, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OUR, OF OUR LOGISTICS AND THAT'S ONE WAY TO DO IT.
SO, UH, I'M READY TO MOVE FORWARD.
I AM TOTALLY FOR BUSINESSES AND HELPING BUSINESSES AND THE MACINTYRE NAME AND CITY OF WHAT'S COMING UP IS ALL BOND TOGETHER.
UM, THEY DID GREAT, YOU KNOW, SHOPPING CENTERS.
I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE SHOPS THAT WE HAVE.
HOWEVER, HAVING A VISION AND RUNNING YOUR BUSINESS AND WITH THE DYNAMIC AND CHANGES, UM, THAT IS GOING ON HAVING A BIG SIGN THAT GIGANTIC, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, NOT GOOD FOR THE CITY OF WHAT'S COMING OVER THE SKYLINES AND ALL THAT IS NOT GOING TO HELP BRING YOUR BUSINESSES TO THAT LOCATION EITHER.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MANAGEMENT TEAMS OR SOMETHING NEEDS TO WORK TO BRING ALL THOSE BUSINESSES IN IT.
DOESN'T JUST WALK UP TO YOU JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE A PICCOLO SIGN.
UM, ANOTHER THING IS THAT FOR EXAMPLE, CITY OF INDUSTRY, THEY HAVE SHOPPING CENTERS INSTEAD OF INDUSTRY, THEY DO NOT HAVE PEOPLE WHAT'S GOING ON HAS 140,000 PEOPLE.
YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO FILL THOSE SHOPPING TO CENTER EASILY CEREAL INDUSTRY.
IF YOU WALK BY THOSE INDUSTRIES SHOPS IN YOUR BEACH, SUPPLY, BAKING SHOPS PACKED WITH LINES.
I MEAN, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT DOING THE CULVERT TIME RIGHT NOW, BUT OBVIOUSLY EVERYONE IS GOING THROUGH A HARD TIME JUST STARTING TODAY OR TOMORROW.
THE GOVERNOR, I BELIEVE IS CLOSING DOWN AGAIN ON THE RESTAURANTS, UM, DUE TO THE INCREASED NUMBERS THAT WE'RE, UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE BEING INFECTED AND, AND, AND ALSO WITH THE HOLIDAYS, I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH THE TRAVEL INFLUENCE HAS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I WOULD DO ANYTHING I CAN TO HELP ALL THE BUSINESSES IN WEST COVINA, ESPECIALLY DURING THIS TIME THEY'RE GOING
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THROUGH A REALLY ROUGH PATCH, BUT I TRULY DON'T BELIEVE THAT I SIGNED THAT BIG IS JUST GONNA DRIVING ALONG THE FREEWAY.IT'S GONNA GRAB ALL THE RESIDENT, YOU KNOW, TO COME OVER AND JOIN THE BUSINESSES.
WHAT HAVE YOU, YOU EITHER HAVE A CHANGE OF TEAMS, A VISION THAT YOU NEED TO SEE THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT DYNAMIC THAT'S HAPPENING IN WEST COVINA, UNDERSTAND THAT AND WORK WITH THAT TO DRAW IN THE BUSINESSES.
I DON'T KNOW HOW PEOPLE DO IT IN THE STATE OF INDUSTRY.
LIKE I SAID, I'M VERY SURPRISED AND I'M, IT'S ALWAYS PACK OVER THERE AND THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE POPULATION.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY CITY, WHEN IS RECESS WITH THE LAST I HEARD THE COUNT WAS LESS THAN A FEW HUNDRED OR EVEN THOUSANDS, BUT THERE ARE SHOPPING CENTERS, A PACK, AND THEY DON'T HAVE THOSE BIG GIGANTIC SIGNS ALONG THE 60 FREEWAY THAT I SEE ALONG THE 60 FREEWAY BETWEEN CITY OF INDUSTRY, WHICH HAS NO PEOPLE WHATSOEVER.
SO TO ME, I REALLY FEEL AS STRONGLY THAT A POPULATION WITH ALL SIZE AND, AND, AND BEAUTIFUL CITY WITH, WITH, UH, LANDSCAPING, WITH HILLSIDE HOMES, WITH ALL THE SHOPS THAT'S COMING IN RIGHT NOW, YOU REALLY NEED TO CHANGE AND LOOK AT THE DYNAMIC OF THE BUSINESSES AS WELL.
IF YOU'RE DEVELOPING BUSINESSES FOR, FOR WHO, WELL, WHAT TYPE OF PEOPLE YOU REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT THAT TOO.
I MEAN, THAT'S, WHAT'S IMPORTANT, NOT NECESSARILY A BIG SIGN THAT REALLY CAN MAKE A COMMUNITY.
NOT ONLY THAT, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY AND THE PEOPLE AND THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE HERE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE SIGNS ON A DAILY BASIS IN THAT IS REALLY BLOCKING.
AND WE'RE ALL SETTING A PRECEDENT.
THIS WAS NOT THE ONLY SIGN THAT WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE.
BELIEVE ME, THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE COMING UP.
AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO DEAL WITH THAT? HOW ARE WE GOING TO WORK WITH ALL THAT? UM, DO WE APPROVE THIS ONE TO BE CHANGED? THE CODE TO MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, IS, IS, IS 640 FEET, NOT BIG ENOUGH, 50 FEET WIDE.
IT'S NOT MAKING ENOUGH A THOUSAND FEET WIDE TURN WAS COMING IN UNTIL LIKE A LAS VEGAS COMMUNITY WITH ALL THE LIGHTS BLINGING OUT ALL NIGHT LONG.
I DON'T THINK THAT IS WHAT WAS COMING A NEED.
WE REALLY NEED TO THINK ABOUT IT AS AN OWNER, AS A RESIDENT, AS A, AS A PLANNING COMMISSIONERS, WE ARE A TEAM THAT WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER AND SEE THIS GOING FORWARD, NOT JUST FOR TODAY, TOMORROW, AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, 10, 20, 30 YEARS FROM NOW, ONCE IT'S APPROVED, IT WILL BE THERE FOREVER.
AND I UNDERSTAND THE BUILDING IS OLD IN THE OLD DAYS.
YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S WHETHER IT'S NOT UP TO CODES OF THE NIGHT, KEPT NICELY ALL THESE YEARS.
I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU BOUGHT IT, BUT ALSO AT THE SAME TIME, YOU REALLY NEED TO WORK WITH A TEAM OF PEOPLE THAT CAN ACTUALLY HELP YOU NOT, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT SIGN IS GOING TO BRING IN BUSINESSES.
I THINK I WOULD DO ANYTHING IS TO HELP YOU HELP THE BUSINESSES AND ALL THAT STUFF.
AND EVEN THE RESTAURANTS, I LOVE TO HAVE THOSE RESTAURANTS AROUND AFTER THIS WHOLE, THIS WHOLE COVID-19 IS OVER, AND I STILL WANT TO SHOP.
I STILL WANT TO EAT AND ALL THAT STUFF, BUT, BUT YOU KNOW, TO ME, I DON'T THINK A HUGE SIGN IS GOING TO REALLY, TRULY IS GOING TO HELP YOUR BUSINESS IN THAT PERSPECTIVE.
I MEAN, YES, ASSIGN WILL HELP.
WHAT IS CODED FOR THAT? WE'LL DO, BUT NOT, YOU KNOW, YOU THINK IF IT, IF IT'S A THOUSAND FOOT, YOU THINK THAT'S GOING TO BRING IN ALL THE BUSINESS, IT JUST IS KIND OF FLACK OVER THERE.
SO THAT'S JUST MY INPUT ON THIS WHOLE, YOU KNOW, SIGNAGE THING.
AND, AND, AND I AM AFRAID NOT ONLY FOR TODAY, BUT ALSO FOR THE FUTURE BUSINESSES THAT IS GOING TO GO ON FROM, NO, GO AHEAD.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE A QUICK COMMENT.
UH, TWO THINGS, ONE, UH, THE CHAIR HAS STATED A COUPLE OF TIMES THAT SHE DOESN'T THINK SIGNS BRING IN PEOPLE.
I THINK YOU NEED TO, I THINK A LOT OF THESE BUSINESSES THAT OPERATE ALL FREEWAYS AND PUT UP SIGNS WOULD BEG TO DIFFER WITH YOU.
THAT'S WHY THEY PUT THOSE SIGNS UP TO BRING PEOPLE IN
I FINISHED MY CONTRACT, I FINISHED MY COMMENT.
I ALSO FIND IT IRONIC AGAIN, THAT THE CHAIR SAID, SHE'LL DO ANYTHING SHE CAN TO HELP BUSINESSES HERE IN WEST COVINA.
YET SHE WAS THE ONLY ONE TO VOTE AGAINST A BRAND NEW SHOPPING CENTER TO BRING IN BUSINESS THE WEST COVINA.
I FIND THAT IRONIC JUST TO BE, BUT THAT HERB, THE BUSINESSES IS FINE.
THE ONLY THING THAT I'M AGAINST IS THAT THE TWO SIGNAGE THAT I DID NOT WANT TO SET A PRECEDENCE FOR.
SO YOU KILLED THE WHOLE SHOPPING CENTER.
NO, I DID NOT KILL THE WHOLE SHOPPING CENTER IT AGAINST IT.
WHAT DID AGAINST THIS NEW BIT, SEVEN NEW BUSINESSES COMING IN? YOU VOTED NO, YES.
I HAVE TO SAY NOTHING LIKE TURNING A 20 MINUTE MEETING ANYWAY.
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UM, I'VE ALWAYS BEEN BIGGER.I WOULD NORM'S CAME IN, THEY WANTED THE 30 FOOT SIGN, THE 30, 40 FOOT SIGN, AND THEY, EVERYBODY COMPLAINED.
THEY WENT TO 30 FEET AND THEY ONLY SCREWED THEMSELVES JOLLY BEE.
UH, THIS, THIS GENTLEMAN HERE, MR. TUCK.
UM, I TOLD HIM, I THOUGHT HIS SIGN WAS TOO SMALL.
IF IT WAS MIKE, IF IT WAS MINE, I WANT BIGGER, THE BETTER I'M FOR THIS, AND I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE IT.
WELL, I'M, I'M, I'M READY TO, TO SECOND YEAR MOTION EXCEPT, UH, I DO ALSO WANT TO CONTINUE, UH, ON, LET HER BAD TO SAY ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, OR, OR THE CONTENTION THAT SIGNS DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH, YOU KNOW, UH, GENERATING BUSINESS.
UM, THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, PATENTLY ABSURD.
AND, UM, AND IN THIS CASE, WE'RE DEALING WITH, UH, SOMETHING THAT IS, UH, AN ALTOGETHER NEW, UH, WAY OF, UH, PUTTING, YOU KNOW, THE VISION OF BUSINESS ADVERTISING, UH, YOU KNOW, OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, IN THE STREETS, SO TO SPEAK, UH, THAT WE SHOULD BE REALLY EAGER TO WANT TO, UH, GRASP ONTO AND, UH, AND ENCOURAGE AND BE AT THE FOREFRONT, BE ON THE CUTTING EDGE, UH, BECAUSE THIS IS, THIS IS AN ALTOGETHER NEW THINGS.
THIS IS NEW TECHNOLOGY THAT CAN DO NEW THINGS AND, AND HAVE A DIFFERENT KIND OF IMPACT, UH, THAT, UH, BUSINESS ADVERTISING, UH, YOU KNOW, IT HASN'T REALLY SEEN A LOT OF BEFORE.
AND SO WHY ARE WE PUSHING BACK AGAINST THAT? WHY ARE WE, YOU KNOW, W YOU KNOW, ARE WE GOING TO BE, UH, HAVE OURSELVES STUCK IN THE 20TH CENTURY APPROACH TO HOW WE, UH, ENCOURAGE AND DEVELOP BUSINESS IN OUR CITY? I MEAN, THAT'S INSANE.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, IS WORTH, IS WORTH WELCOMING.
YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF, UH, YOU KNOW, TAKING THAT RE THAT RISK, AS, YOU KNOW, AS COMMISSIONERS TO, YOU KNOW, TO BRING IN THESE NEW APPROACHES, JUST LIKE MR. MACINTYRE IS TAKING THE RISK, UH, THAT THE ENORMOUS CHRISSY'S TAKEN WITH, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO, UH, YOU KNOW, BRING IN TENNIS TO THIS PROPERTY AND EVERYTHING THAT USE INVESTED TO IT, YOU KNOW, TO SAY THAT YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE SIGN'S GOING TO HAVE AN IMPACT ON, ON, I JUST DON'T BELIEVE IT'S GONNA, YOU KNOW, BRING IN, YOU KNOW, TENNIS TO THIS, YOU KNOW, TO THIS PROPERTY, UM, IS REALLY NOT OUR CONCERN BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE WARRANT.
WE'RE NOT THE ONES ASSUMING THAT THE RISK OF WHETHER IT'S GOING TO HAVE THAT EFFECT OR NOT, THAT'S, THAT'S MR. MACINTYRE'S CONCERN.
SO, UH, OR ALL THOSE REASONS, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO BE, YOU KNOW, OPEN, I BELIEVE WE NEED TO BE OPEN AND FLEXIBLE TO THIS CHANGING ENVIRONMENT.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO PROBABLY AT SOME POINT DOWN THE ROAD, AND MAYBE AFTER WE'RE LONG AFTER THIS COMMISSION, UH, OFF THIS COMMISSION AND, UH, ANOTHER GENERATION OF COMMISSIONERS HAS TO DEAL WITH THIS QUESTION OF, WELL, YOU KNOW, HOW DOES THE, YOU KNOW, THIS EVOLVING TECHNOLOGY, UH, FOR BUSINESS SIGNAGE, HOW ARE WE GOING TO ADDRESS THAT IN TERMS OF ITS, YOU KNOW, ITS SIZE AND, AND, UM, AND, UM, AND, AND, AND DENSITY AND PLACEMENT AND SO ON, HOW IS THAT GONNA, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE DEAL WITH THAT? YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT EVEN THERE YET, YOU KNOW, W WE'RE ON THE CUSP OF SOMETHING TOTALLY NEW HERE, AND THIS IS WHERE WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE AN OPEN MIND AND, AND TRY TO, UH, YOU KNOW, OPEN THE DOOR TO THESE NEW IDEAS, INSTEAD OF SAYING, YOU KNOW, PUTTING OUR HAND UP AND SAY, NOPE, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A STEP BACK TOWARDS THE 20TH CENTURY.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO MOVE FORWARD.
SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE NEEDED TO, YOU KNOW, KEEP, UH, YOU KNOW, KEEP AN OPEN MIND TO NEW APPROACHES, TO BUSINESS AND BE FRIENDLY TO BUSINESS, NOT, NOT BY TAKING STEPS BACKWARD.
UH, I LOOK AT IT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY.
UH, WHAT EXCITES ME ABOUT IT IS THAT IT'S IN A GREAT LOCATION FOR PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENTS, THE AMBER ALERT AND ALL THAT TYPE OF THING.
UH, THE OCCUPANTS THAT'S, TO ME, THAT'S A SIDEBAR, BUT LOOKING AT IT FROM THE CITY, UH, AND THE BOARD AND THE THINGS THAT WE CAN PUT ON IT, LIKE THE APPLICANT SAID, THE VALOR FIELD OF VALOR, UH, AMBER ALERT, ALL THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
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KNOW ABOUT IT UNLESS THEY WOULD SEE IT ON A MONICA READER BOARD.SO THE APPLICANTS GOING THROUGH THE ONLY EXPENSE OF PUTTING THIS UP AND THE CITY IS GOING TO GET A LOT OF BENEFIT OUT OF IT.
UH, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.
IF I MAY, YOU KNOW, FOR MANY YEARS, THIS CITY, WE USED TO HAVE THE BIG BANNER UP OVER HERE, WEST COVINA, THE MOST BUSINESS FRIENDLY CITY IN THE SAN GABRIEL VALLEY AND ACROSS AMR AND YOUR, YOU KNOW, ON, UH, ON AMR, NEAR AZUSA, AND OVER OFF OF GLENDORA, WE HAD THE BANNER ACROSS THE STREET WEST COVINA, THE MOST BUSINESS FRIENDLY CITY.
NO, WE HAVE INDIVIDUALS THAT PROFESS TO BE BUSINESS FRIENDLY, AND IT'S NOT JUST HERE, IT'S ON THE COUNCIL TOO.
THEY PROFESS TO BE BUSINESS FRIENDLY, BUT THEY DON'T VOTE TO SUPPORT BUSINESSES.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YOU CAN'T BE BOTH.
YOU CAN'T BE ON PRO BUSINESS AND THEN VOTE AGAINST BUSINESSES.
IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE, UM, FOR MOTION, THE MOTION AND THE SECOND, ACTUALLY, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DO.
UM, THERE ARE TWO, THERE ARE TWO ITEMS TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT.
ONE IS THE APPROVAL OF THE SIGN.
I'M SORRY, WHAT DID YOU ASK FOR? OH, NO, I THINK THERE'S ANOTHER ITEMS. UM, THERE'S ANOTHER, THERE'S THERE'S, THERE WOULD BE TWO RESOLUTION NUMBERS IF THIS, IF THE ITEMS ARE APPROVED.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY THAT THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS WOULD, IS ONLY ALLOWED, UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS ONLY ALLOWED TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR WHAT'S CURRENTLY ALLOWED IN THE CODE.
SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND READ THE CONDITIONAL USE THE RESOLUTION NUMBERS OR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NUMBER IT.
UM, RESOLUTION NUMBER IS 20 DASH SIX ZERO FIVE FIVE FOUR.
THE CODE AMENDMENT INITIATION NUMBER THERE.
UM, IT'S 20 DASHES, SIX ZERO FIVE SIX.
YOU MADE A MOTION ON BOTH ITEMS. YES.
I NEED CLARIFICATION OF EXACTLY WHAT, UM, WHAT THE RESOLUTIONS ARE APPROVING, UM, IN TERMS OF THIS HUPY AND THE CLUED AMENDMENT.
SO IN TERMS OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, IF IT WOULD BE WHAT'S ALLOWED THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE CP, WHICH IS A 394 SQUARE FOOT ELECTRONIC READER BOARD SIGN, THAT'S 60 FEET IN HEIGHT, AS FAR AS THE CODE AMENDMENT, IT'S ONLY A CODE AMENDMENT INITIATION.
SO IT'S FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO INITIATE A CODE AMENDMENT.
UM, SO, UH, UM, ONCE INITIATED STAFF WILL BRING BACK A DRAFT CODE THEM IN FOR PLANNING COMMISSION REVIEW.
SO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS, IS FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE READER BOARD SIGN AREA THREE TO 94 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS NOT WHAT THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING.
SO THERE, THEREFORE WE'RE, WE'RE, UM, COMMISSIONER KENNEDY WHERE WE WERE, I THINK WE'RE, I THINK WE'RE IN AGREEMENT THAT WE DON'T WANT TO MOVE THAT RESOLUTION BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING AND WE'RE IN SUPPORT OF WHAT THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING.
IF I, IF I MAY CHAIR, I THINK WHAT STAFF WAS, UM, TRYING TO DO WAS TO GIVE THE APPLICANT AN APPROVAL AS THE CODE IS CURRENTLY WRITTEN, WHICH IS WHY THE CUP IS LIMITED TO THE 394 SQUARE FEET.
THE SECOND ACTION WOULD BE TO INITIATE THE CODE AMENDMENT.
AND IF THAT IS ULTIMATELY ADOPTED, THE APPLICANT WOULD COME BACK WITH A SUBSEQUENT CUP TO GET APPROVAL FOR THE SIGN THAT HE ULTIMATELY WANTS TO BUILD.
SO THE, UM, THE ADOPTION OF THE RESOLUTION FOR THE CDP DOESN'T, UM, UH, DETER OR, OR, UH, ELIMINATE THE POSSIBILITY OF THE APPLICANT PURSUING WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY ONLY WANT BECAUSE THEY ACT CORRECT? YES.
THE CODE AMENDMENT, IF, IF ADOPTED WILL ALLOW THAT PROCESS TO BE AVAILABLE TO THEM AT IS CORRECT.
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THEREFORE WE CONTINUE WITH THE ORIGINAL THAT YOU HAVE TO CONTINUE WITH THE ORIGINAL MOTION IN SECOND, THEN, YOU KNOW, THAT DOES, THAT'S NOT THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THEN.UH, SO AGAIN, TO REITERATE, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KENNEDY IN A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HOKAS.
AND WITH THAT I'M VICE-CHAIR HOLTZ.
THIS IS FOR BOTH OF THE, UH, YES, THAT IS CORRECT.
I, UH, COMMISSIONER HOTEZ I MISSIONARY KENNEDY MISSIONER RED HOLES AND CHAIR, HANG THE MOTION PASSES FOUR ONE, NONE HERE, NONE HEARING ITEMS. SO 10 DAY APPEAL PERIOD ACTION TAKEN BY THE PLAN.
COMMISSIONS ARE NOT RECOMMENDED TO THE CITY.
COUNCILS WILL BECOME FINAL AFTER 10 CALENDAR DAYS UNLESS A WRITTEN APPEAL THAT THE APPROPRIATE FEE IS LARGE FOR THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE BEFORE THE CLOSE OF BUSINESS DAY ON THE 10TH DAY.
[COMMISSION REPORTS/COMMENTS AND MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS]
REPORTS, I'M INCENT MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS, MADAM CHAIR.I JUST WANT TO, UH, WISH ALL OF OUR, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF AND RESIDENTS, A HAPPY THANKSGIVING.
AND, UH, I WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO HAVE A SAFE AND HEALTHY COVID FREE THANKSGIVING AND DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO REMAIN OPEN FREE, SAME HERE, HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO ALL THE RESIDENTS OR THE STAFF OR THE COMMISSIONERS AND ALL THE APPLICANTS AS WELL.
[4. COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR'S REPORT:]
WE HAVE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.WHAT'S COMING FOR DECEMBER 8TH.
UH, UH, CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS.
UM, UH, I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT ITEM COMING BEFORE THE COMMISSION ON THE EIGHTH IS, UM, THE NEW ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT ORDINANCE.
UM, THE COMMISSION MAY RECALL THAT IN JANUARY AND URGENCY ORDINANCE WAS ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL TO ALLOW STAFF TO DEVELOP AN ORDINANCE.
UH, WE DID SEND OUR DRAFT ORDINANCE TO THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
UH, WE RECEIVED COMMENTS BACK FROM THEM.
UM, JOANNE HAS HAD A COUPLE OF CONFERENCE CALLS WITH STATE HCD, AND WE NOW HAVE ALL OF THEIR COMMENTS.
UH, WE DO BELIEVE WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT, UH, FULLY COMPLIES WITH STATE LAW AND, UH, WE WILL BE BRINGING THAT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON DECEMBER 8TH, UH, FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, IF THE COMMISSION APPROVES THAT, THEN IT WOULD, UH, BE FORWARDED TO THE CITY COUNCIL, UH, FOR CITY COUNCIL ACTION.
WE ALSO HAVE, UM, A COUPLE OF CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS FOR, UM, A LARGE HOUSE AND LARGE HOME ROOM ADDITIONS, AS WELL AS A, UH, A ROOMING HOUSE AT 12, 12 SOUTH CALIFORNIA AVENUE.
AND THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT FOR THIS EMR. CAN YOU, WHAT DOES JOLLY BE WANTING TO DO? IT WAS CUP ALSO, UH, THAT IS FOR A DRIVE THROUGH, UM, THEY ARE, THEY'RE PROPOSING A, A NEW LOCATION IN THE, UH, CURB SHOPPING CENTER AND, UH, THEY'RE PROPOSING A DRIVE-THRU VERY GOOD.
ARE THEY GOING TO LOOK DOWN ON IT FROM THEIR OFFICE? UH, YES, THEY CAN LOOK ACROSS, UM, UH, GRAND AVENUE, UH, ONTO THE BUILDING, CORRECT? YEP.
OR THE ADU DISCUSSIONS? UM, ON DECEMBER 8TH, WE GET IT BACK FROM THE STATE OVARY.
WE DID GET IT BACK FROM THE STATE.
UM, THERE AREN'T ANY COUNCIL ACTIONS RELATIVE TO, UH, ACTIONS OR RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS MADE RECENTLY.
UM, SO FROM THAT STANDPOINT, I DON'T BELIEVE I HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD.
CERTAINLY FOR THE BUSINESS TO DISCUSS NOT, THEN THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED AT NINE 23.