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          GOOD EVENING RESIDENTS, 
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STAFF, COMMISSIONERS, AND RESIDENTS AT HOME. 
          THOSE WHO CAN'T MAKE IT TONIGHT. 
          UM, THE REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF NOVEMBER 10, 2020 IS CALLS TO ORDER, UM, DUE TO COVID IT'S, UM, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT GOT CHANGED. 
          ONE OF THE ITEMS IS IF YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO CALL DAN, YOU CAN CALL THEM BEFORE FOUR O'CLOCK AND THEN ALSO YOU CAN ALSO WATCH THE MEETINGS ONLINE AS WELL ON YOUTUBE. 
          AND LET ME, SO YOU CAN EMAIL DAN TELEPHONE AND, UM, THERE'S QUITE A FEW THINGS THAT WE CAN DO. 
          SO, AND ALSO CAN ATTEND THE MEETINGS WITH THE CARDS RIGHT HERE AS WELL. 
          UM, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A MOMENT OF SILENT PRAYER FOR IRRITATIONS AND PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, WHICH IS, UM, WHAT'S GOING TO HELP US WITH THAT. 
          AND ALSO, I JUST WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH 200 CLOSE TO 240,000 COVID DEATH AND IT SADDENED TO SAY THAT NOW I'M BEGINNING TO HAVE EVEN FAMILY MEMBERS THAT'S BEING AFFECTED. 
          SO JUST TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF AND BE SAFE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU PLEASE STAND FACE TO FLAG AND REPEAT AFTER ME. 
           CAN YOU GIVE US A ROLL CALL PLEASE? YES, VICE-CHAIR HOLTS COMMISSIONER HOCKEY IS HERE. 
          COMMISSIONER KENNEDY, COMMISSIONER RED HOLDS HERE AND SHARING HERE. 
          WE HAVE A QUORUM, 
          [1. Regular meeting - October 13, 2020]
UH, PROBABLY FIVE MINUTES. 
          UM, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY CHANGES TO THE MENS OF OCTOBER 13, 2020? SEE, NONE THE MINUTES FOR OCTOBER 13, 2020 ARE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED. 
          YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE ORAL COMMUNICATION. 
          THIS IS THE TIME WHEN ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC MAY SPEAK TO THE COMMISSION ON ANY MATTER WITHIN THE SCOPE OF DUTIES, ASSIGNED TO THE COMMISSION, RELATING TO NON AGENDAS OR CONSENT CALENDAR, CALENDAR ITEMS. OTHER MATTERS INCLUDED ON THIS AGENDA. 
          MAYBE ADDRESS WHEN THE ITEM IS UNDER CONSIDERATION FOR ALL ORAL COMMUNICATIONS, THAT CHAIR PERSONS MAY IMPOSE REASONABLE LIMITATIONS ON PUBLIC COMMENTS TO ENSURE AN ORDERLY AND TIMELY MEETING THE ROPE BROWN ACT LIMITS THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF'S ABILITY TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THIS MEETING. 
          THOSE YOUR COMMENTS MAY BE AGENDIZED FOR A FUTURE MEETING OR REFER TO STAFF. 
          THE COMMISSION MAY ASK QUESTIONS FOR CLARIFICATION, IF DESIRED AT THIS TIME BY POLICY OF COMMISSION ORAL COMMUNICATIONS AT THIS TIME ON THE AGENDA IS LIMITED TO TOTAL 15 MINUTES PERSONS WHO ARE NOT AFFORDED THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME. 
          I DO SO UNDER CONTINUATION OF ORAL COMMUNICATION LATER ON THE AGENDA. 
          SO DOES ANYONE HAVE ORAL COMMUNICATIONS, ANYONE LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK? SO WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE WITH PUBLIC HEARING. 
          I THINK WE MAY BE MOVING ITEM NUMBER THREE FIRST BECAUSE WE HAD THIS MEETING PRIOR, UM, THE LAST TIME. 
          SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ITEM THREE FIRST AND THEN WE'RE GONNA GO TO ITEM TWO, ONE AND TWO. 
          I DON'T THINK WE'RE HEARING I AM THREE TO, OH YES. 
          IF I MAY. 
          MADAM CHAIR ITEM THREE, UH, STAFF 
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HAS RECOMMENDED THAT THAT PUBLIC HEARING BE CONTINUED TO THE NEXT REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. 
          WE WERE HOPING TO GET COMMENTS BACK FROM, UM, THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT IN TIME FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING. 
          UH, WE DID NOT. 
          SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THIS ITEM, UH, BE CONTINUED TO, UH, DECEMBER 8TH. 
          I'M SORRY, NOT YOUR NEXT MEETING. 
          TWO MEETINGS FROM NOW, DECEMBER 8TH, ADAM, 
          [6. SUBCOMMITTEE FOR DESIGN REVIEW No. 20-79]
JERRY, IF I MAY WE'RE WE'RE MOVING ITEMS SIX. 
          THAT WAS THE OKAY. 
           WE'RE GOING TO HERE. 
          ITEM SIX. 
          THE IDEA IS TO HEAR ITEM SIX FIRST. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM SIX. 
          SO RENEE, WILL YOU BE OKAY. 
          GOOD EVENING CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS TONIGHT. 
          I WILL BE PRESENTING ITEMS, SUBCOMMITTEE FOR DESIGN REVIEW 20 DASH 79. 
          YOU GUYS MAY REMEMBER THIS ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          THE FOLLOWING SCOPE OF WORK WAS REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON OCTOBER 13TH, PLANNING COMMISSION, CONTINUE THE ITEM AND HAD ASKED THE APPLICANT TO REDESIGN THE ENTRY. 
          I'M HAVING SOME TROUBLE HERE WITH THE, UH, THE PRINT. 
          OH, I SEE. 
          WHAT'S GOING. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, OKAY. 
          SO THIS IS WHAT THE EXISTING HOUSE LOOKS LIKE. 
          AND THEN, UM, FIRST PORTRAIT WAS PROPOSED AT 17 FEET IN HEIGHT AT THE SECOND FLOOR ROOF LINE AT 19 FEET AT THE PEAK. 
          OH, APPLICANT HAS COME BACK WITH A ALTERNATIVE OPTION THAT PRESENTS A GABLED ROOF WITH AN ARCH THAT IS AT 14 FEET IN HEIGHT AND ALTERNATIVE OPTION. 
          NUMBER TWO WITH GABLE, THE ROOF WITH A RECTANGULAR SHAPE AT 11 FEET AND SIX INCHES. 
          SO AGAIN, THIS IS OPTION NUMBER TWO. 
          AND THEN I'LL GO BACK TO OPTION. 
          NUMBER ONE, JUST KIND OF GONNA FLIP THROUGH THOSE A LITTLE BIT NOW WITH THAT BEING SAID, UH, RENEE, CAN WE SEE THE ORIGINAL OPTION? YEAH, OF COURSE. 
          WHAT WAS IT BEFORE THIS ONE? WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL ROOF LINE? THE EXISTING HOUSE. 
          UM, THIS IS, YOU GOT THE EXISTING ONE PICTURE OF THE HOUSE ACROSS FROM THIS ONE AS WELL. 
          I, I CAN PULL THAT UP ON THERE IS THIS, SO WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS IS THAT'S THE ONE THAT WAS DISCUSSED AT LAST MEETING. 
          OKAY, THANK 
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YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THAT BEING SAID, UH, PLANNING STAFF DOES RECOMMEND THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO APPROVE ALTERNATIVE OPTION NUMBER ONE WITH THE ARCH AND THE GABLED ROOF. 
          AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND THE APPLICANT. 
          AND I BELIEVE THE HOMEOWNERS ARE HERE AS WELL. 
          IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTION, YOUR MIC, SORRY, I JUST DON'T HAVE ITEM NUMBER SIX IN MY, UM, SHEETS RIGHT HERE. 
          SO COMMENTS, LET ME SAY, OKAY. 
          IT'S JUST, SO WE JUST OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS RIGHT NOW. 
          DOES ANYONE HAVE A CARD FOR ITEM NUMBER SIX C FOR SICK IN THE CAR FOR SIX? YES. 
          YES. 
          IT'S J SUMMER. 
          YES. 
          I'M THE DESIGNER. 
          I JUST, WE, WE TALKED WITH THE OWNER, WE, THIS, WE FEEL THIS IS, UH, REALLY GOOD PRESENTATION. 
          I THINK IF WE'RE AT THE BOTTOM, IT LOOKS TOO SMALL AND AT THE TOP IT LOOKS TOO HIGH. 
          I THINK WE BROUGHT IT DOWN TO A LEVEL THAT REALLY, UH, IS IN SCOPE AND SCALE AT THE HOUSE AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND, UH, I FEEL THAT IT'S A, IT'S A GOOD LOOK AND THE OWNERS ARE EXCITED ABOUT GETTING, GETTING IT AT AND, UH, THEY'RE HERE TONIGHT ALSO TO CHECK IT. 
          SO, UM, THAT I REALLY DON'T HAVE MUCH ELSE TO SAY OTHER THAN WE, WE FEEL THAT THIS IS REALLY THE BEST OF ALL THE POSITIONS THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT. 
          SO APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE CONSIDERATION, THAT PARTICULAR ONE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN THERE IS, UH, MY NAME IS MARCELLA. 
          UM, I'M THE HOMEOWNER. 
          I LIVE WITH MY HUSBAND MAGNA. 
          WE'D BEEN LIVING THERE OFF AND ON FOR 30 YEARS. 
          BELIEVE IT OR NOT. 
          MY HUSBAND PURCHASED THAT PROPERTY THREE TIMES IN HIS LIFE. 
          THREE TIMES HE'S BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY. 
          WE MOVED. 
          YEAH. 
          WE MOVED OUT. 
          DIDN'T LIKE ANYTHING ELSE. 
          AND HE PURCHASED THAT PROPERTY THREE TIMES. 
          SO IF YOU GUYS CAN PLEASE HELP US AND SOMETHING WE REALLY WANT, I THINK, LET US CONTINUE ON WITH THE FINE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? THAT'S ALL THE CARDS THAT I HAVE SEEING DONE. 
          I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          IT'S NOT A PUBLIC, IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'RE JUST HAVING DISCUSSIONS OR WE'LL JUST APPROVE IT. 
          SORRY. 
          SO SHALL WE TAKE A ROLL CALL WHILE WE, IF WE NEED TO DISCUSS IT AND HAVE EMOTION FIRST? OKAY, LET ME GO FIRST. 
          I HAVE A COUPLE OF, UH, FIRST, LET ME JUST SAY TO THE ARCHITECT AND TO THE, TO THE HOMEOWNERS, UH, BEHIND MY MASK, I'M SMILING. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE, UH, I, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'VE DONE. 
          THE OPTION. 
          NUMBER ONE IS A BIG IMPROVEMENT IN AT LEAST TO ME. 
          AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TAKING THAT EFFORT AND LISTENING TO WHAT WE HAD TO SAY AND ACTING UPON THAT, BECAUSE THIS TO ME IS A MUCH MORE PLEASING AND A MUCH BETTER ALTERNATIVE AS VIS-A-VIS THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORS, THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          IT LOOKS BETTER, YOU KNOW, SO I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          AND, UH, I I'M PREPARED TO MOVE THE ITEM FORWARD FOR APPROVAL. 
          I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION. 
          OH, CHAIR. 
          UH, IF THERE'S NO OTHER CON OH, I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER HOLT HAS SOMETHING TO SAY. 
          YEAH. 
          I CONCUR WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER. 
          IT'S, UH, 
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IT LOOKS MUCH BETTER AND I APPRECIATE, UH, YOUR PEOPLE, UM, WORKING WITH US AND, AND MADE THE IMPROVEMENT AND I I'M MUCH IN FAVOR OF IT. 
          OKAY. 
          DOES ANYONE HAVE A, UH, NONE OTHER THAN I'M READY TO SECOND, UH, COMMISSIONER RED HOLDS THIS MOTION. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I ALSO WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR, UM, UH, MAKING THE CHANGE. 
          IT LOOKS, IT LOOKS A LOT NICER AND, UH, I, I WAS QUICK TO THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S QUICK. 
          OKAY, SO WE HAVE A SHANNON A SECOND. 
          SO WORLD CALL, PLEASE, MARK. 
          YES. 
          UH, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER RED HOLTZ A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HOCK AS, UH, VICE VICE-CHAIR HOLTZ. 
          YES. 
          OUR COMMISSIONER HOC SAYS HI, COMMISSIONER KENNEDY, COMMISSIONER RED HOLTS AND CHAIR HANG AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO. 
          DON'T SELL IT AND BUY IT AGAIN. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST KEEP IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NOW WE'RE OPENING THE PUBLIC HEARINGS. 
          UM, IT'S GOING TO BE 
          [2. ADMINISTRATIVE USE PERMIT NO. 20-16]
AMIDST ADMINISTRATIVE USE PERMIT NUMBER 20 DASH 16. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF AN ADMINISTRATIVE USE PERMIT TO PROVIDE ON SALE SERVICE, UH, BEER AND WINE IN CONJUNCTION WITH A BENEFIT RESTAURANT AND, UM, WHO WILL BE PRESENTING THIS ITEM. 
          OUR PLANNING INTERN DONOVAN CONLIN WILL BE PRESENTING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THE FIRST TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NUMBER ONE. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          CHAIRMAN COMMISSIONERS. 
          UH, TONIGHT I WILL BE PRESENTING ADMINISTRATIVE USE PERMIT NUMBER 20 DASH 16. 
          UH, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING AN ADMINISTRATIVE USE PERMIT TO ALLOW THE ON SALE SERVICE OF BEER AND WINE IN CONJUNCTION WITH AN EXISTING, UH, 2,540 SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT LOCATED IN SOUTH HILLS PLAZA SHOPPING CENTER. 
          UM, THE SITE IS ZONED NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL WITH SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, EDISON ZONED AS OUR ONE TO THE NORTH, UH, MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL USES TO THE WEST EAST AND SOUTH. 
          AND LASTLY, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO THE SOUTHWEST, UM, OR 195 PUBLIC NOTICES ARE SENT OUT TO OWNERS AND OCCUPANTS WITHIN 300 FEET OF THE SITE. 
          AND THINK STAFF A LETTER OF CONCERN FOR THE REQUEST FOR THE REQUESTED SALE OF BEER AND WINE WITHIN THE EXISTED EXISTING RESTAURANT, THE INDIVIDUAL WHO REQUESTED A HEARING EXPRESS SOME CONCERNS REGARDING THE SALES OF BEER AND WINE NEAR SCHOOLS. 
          UM, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION ADOPT A RESOLUTION APPROVING ADMINISTRATIVE USE PERMIT NUMBER 20 DASH 16. 
          SO WE'RE GOING TO OPEN UP PUBLIC HEARING ITEM TO HAVE ONE CARD FROM STEVE KIM. 
          GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION. 
          MY NAME IS STEVE KIM GST PARTNERS, UH, 800 WEST FIRST STREET, LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA NINE ZERO ZERO ONE TWO. 
          UH, I'M HERE REPRESENTING MY CLIENT, JAY WOO. 
          UM, THIS, THIS RESTAURANT IS RELATIVELY A SMALL RESTAURANT. 
          IT'S ABOUT 24, 2,480 SQUARE FOOT WITH 67 PATRONS. 
          UM, THE, THE SHOPPING CENTER ITSELF, UH, HAS GONE THROUGH, UH, UH, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER, UH, BUSINESSES IN THIS AREA AND THROUGHOUT THE REGION, UH, HAS GONE THROUGH A TREMENDOUS HARDSHIP. 
          UH, MY CLIENT HAS, UH, PROPOSED TO OPEN UP A RESTAURANT. 
          UH, I SORT OF A KOREAN FUSION RESTAURANT. 
          UH, WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO BE PART OF A CITY OF WEST COVINA. 
          UH, IF THIS AUTUMN IS APPROVED, UM, AS THE, THE PRESENTATION, UH, NOTED, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR OUR CLIENT TO BE PART OF THIS COMMUNITY. 
          AND I THINK, UH, HAVING A RESTAURANT, UM, IN THIS COMMUNITY IS, IS VERY, UH, VITAL. 
          UM, I DO UNDERSTAND THERE'S A CONCERN FROM THE COMMUNITY AND I LOVE TO ADDRESS ANY ISSUES OR CONCERNS AT THIS TIME. 
          UM, AND THAT, UH, I URGE AND I VOTE, UH, PER THE COMMISSION, EXCUSE ME, THE PAST DEPARTMENT'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR APPROVAL. 
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THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, THE RESTAURANT IS, IS CURRENTLY OPEN, RIGHT? YES, IT IS. 
          HOW LONG HAS IT, HAS IT BEEN OPEN? IT'S BEEN OPEN FOR ABOUT A MONTH NOW. 
          IT'S THE MONTH. 
          IT'S THE MONTH. 
          UM, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'D, COVID, IT IT'S BEEN VERY DIFFICULT, BUT YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT YOU GOTTA, YOU GOTTA START THE BUSINESS SOMETIME. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THE RESTAURANT OWNER, HAS HE, UH, DOES HE HAVE A RESTAURANT EXPERIENCE? HE DOES NOT. 
          AND I'M CERTAINLY, UH, PERSONALLY CONCERNED, BUT, UH, HE'S DETERMINED AND HE'S MOTIVATED. 
          UH, I THINK YOU'LL DO A WONDERFUL JOB AND I JUST, I'D JUST LIKE TO ADD THAT THIS IS A, A TRULY A BONAFIDE RESTAURANT AND THE BEER AND WINE SERVICE WILL BE, UH, UH, INCIDENTAL TO FULL SERVICE, FULL SERVICE RESTAURANT. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          AND THE IDEA IS TO SERVE BEER AND WINE TO PATRONS EVENTUALLY, HOPEFULLY THAT ARE DINING WITHIN, YOU KNOW, SITTING AT A TABLE AND EATING IT, JUST LOOKING AT THE FLOOR PLAN. 
          IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S DESIGNED TO BE, TO JUST WALK IN AND SIT AT A SO-CALLED BAR, CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          UM, AS I DO HAVE THE MENU HERE, UM, IF, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE MENU, THIS IS A FULL SERVICE RESTAURANT AND UNLIKE THE BARS OR, OR ANY, UM, UH, ALCOHOLIC ESTABLISHMENT, FOOD COMES FIRST. 
          AND AGAIN, IT'S A BEER AND WINE SALES WILL BE INCIDENTAL TO FOOD ORDERS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I ONLY HAVE ONE CARD IN FAVOR. 
          IS ANYONE ELSE IN THE PLAY? ANYONE ELSE OPPOSED POSTCARD? OH, THAT'S THE ONLY ONE CARD. 
          THAT'S HIS CARD. 
          YEAH. 
          HAVING A POST CARD STEEPER. 
          OH, HE DIDN'T SAY HI, COME ON UP. 
          HE HASN'T BEEN HERE A WHILE. 
          HE DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO DO THIS. 
          YEAH. 
          THIS IS PRETTY SPOOKY. 
          I'LL TELL YOU. 
          UM, YEAH, I DIDN'T, UH, CD AGENDA AND I DIDN'T KNOW THE NUMBERS, SO I JUST PUT THE RESTAURANT NAME DOWN. 
          UM, FIRST OFF, MY NAME IS STEVE HERFORD. 
          AND FIRST THING I SHOULD SAY IS THANK YOU GUYS FOR DOING THIS. 
          UM, UH, I SERVED A LONG TIME ON THIS, ON THE CITY COUNCIL IN WEST COVINA. 
          AND, UH, I KNOW HOW UNREWARDING YOU GUYS, YOUR JOB IS. 
          UM, MINE WAS VERY REWARDING CAUSE I, I, AND YOURS IS TOO IN SOME RESPECTS. 
          I MEAN, YOU GET A LOT OF THINGS DONE. 
          WE AT LEAST GOT PAID A DECENT SALARY ANYWAY. 
          UM, SO MUCH FOR THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HOW MUCH TIME GOING UP? FIVE MINUTES. 
          TIME'S UP? DO YOU MIND? I WAS GOING TO SAY I ALREADY BLEW IT. 
          HUH? UM, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF AN UNUSUAL ONE FOR ME TO COME DOWN ON, BUT THE SHOPPING CENTER IS VERY CLOSE TO MY HOME. 
          I GO THERE PRACTICALLY EVERY DAY. 
          SO LET ME JUST KIND OF START ON OCTOBER 14TH. 
          I SUBMITTED THE LETTER LISTED AS ATTACHMENT TWO IN THE STAFF REPORT IN THE LETTER. 
          I ASKED STAFF TO INFORM ME OF A TIME WHEN I COULD REVIEW ANY PLANS, OCCUPANT MIX IN THE SOUTH HILLS SHOPPING CENTER. 
          AND ANY OTHER INFORMATION ON PROJECTS PLANNED FOR THE CENTER? UM, UNFORTUNATELY I NEVER HEARD BACK FROM STAFF. 
          UM, I WASN'T NOTIFIED ABOUT THE MEETING. 
          UH, I CAN ONLY PROVIDE THE INPUT BASED ON WHAT I KNOW ABOUT THE CENTER. 
          AND I, I THINK I LEARNED SOMETHING TONIGHT BECAUSE THE QUESTION COMMISSIONER RED HOLTZ ASKED ABOUT THE RESTAURANT. 
          MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT RESTAURANT'S BEEN OPEN A COUPLE OF YEARS OR AT LEAST A YEAR, BUT MAYBE IT'S JUST CHANGED NAMES. 
          AND THAT'S SOMETHING TO ME BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. 
          OKAY, WITH THAT BACKGROUND, I'M RECOMMENDING THE PLANNING COMMISSION CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING FACTS AND THEIR DECISION TO APPROVE THE SALE OF BEER AND WINE BY BIG, BIG COPA RESTAURANT. 
          OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS, THE SHOPPING CENTER HAS TRANSFORMED FROM A RETAIL CENTER INTO A SHOPPING CENTER WITH SCHOOLS, BUSINESSES THAT SUSPICIOUSLY NEVER OPEN IN AN ENCAMPMENT FOR THE HOMELESS. 
          THEY HAVE ALSO ADDED A PARK ON THE PROPERTY AND I BELIEVE THE CHURCH ARE NOW, OR AT LEAST TWO SCHOOLS THAT OCCUPIED THE CENTER, THE FLY HERE ACADEMY AND THE MATH NASEUM, BOTH OF THESE SCHOOLS ARE GEARED TOWARDS GRADES K THROUGH 12. 
          WHEN THE SCHOOLS WERE PROPOSED BY THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, I DIDN'T OPPOSE THE SCHOOLS BECAUSE IT SEEMED LIKE A WARREN COULD OCCUPANCY OR THE CENTER BASED ON THE DIRECTION OF THE TENANT MIX. 
          HOWEVER, SCHOOLS IN BOOZE DON'T MIX THE APPLICANT, RENTED BUILDINGS TO HOUSE THESE SCHOOLS. 
          AND NOW IT'S ASKING FOR THE COMMUNITY TO FORGET THEY EXIST. 
          THERE WAS ALSO A JUDO STUDIO, WHICH IS PREDOMINANTLY YOUTH ORIENTED. 
          THERE MAY BE OTHER SCHOOLS OR YOUTH PROGRAMS IN THE CENTER THAT I'M NOT AWARE OF. 
          THE OCCUPANCY OF MANY OF THE BUILDINGS 
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IS VERY SECRETIVE WITH REGARDS TO BUSINESSES THAT SUSPICIOUSLY NEVER OPENED. 
          IT CONCERNS ALL RESIDENTS TO SEE NEW BUSINESSES UNDER CONSTRUCTION FOR OVER A YEAR AND NEVER OPENED OR EXAMPLE AN 88 SANDWICH SHOP STARTED CONSTRUCTION IN EARLY 2019 AND OPENED FOR A WEEK. 
          OVER THIS PAST SUMMER, THE ENCLOSED NOODLE SHOP HAS BEEN UNDER CONSTRUCTION FOR OVER A YEAR AND STILL NOT OPEN. 
          ARE THESE SCAM BUSINESSES OWNED BY THE CENTER OWNERS OR THEY FRONTS FOR ILLEGAL OPERATIONS IS VERY SUSPICIOUS FOR SOMEONE TO INVEST THE MONEY. 
          TOTAL TENANT GOTTEN REHABS IN THESE BUSINESSES AND NEVER OPENED THEM BEFORE ANY PERMITS ARE ISSUED. 
          I BELIEVE THE CITY SHOULD ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS FOR THE PUBLIC. 
          THE HOMELESS PROBLEM AT THE CENTER HAS MULTIPLIED OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS. 
          OWNERSHIP HAS DONE NOTHING TO PREVENT BUSINESSES AND THE PUBLIC FROM BEING HARASSED AND INTIMIDATED BY INDIVIDUALS WHO SLEEP ON CENTER SIDEWALKS OR BEHIND BUILDINGS. 
          THIS LACK OF ACTION SPEEDS TO THE TRUST BETWEEN THE OWNERSHIP OF THE SHOPPING CENTER, THE BUSINESSES AND THE RESIDENTS WHO PATRONIZED IT. 
          THE GOPRO RESTAURANT HAS BEEN AN OPERATION AND THIS MAY BE WRONG. 
          I THOUGHT THEY WERE AN OPERATION FOR OVER TWO YEARS WITHOUT BEER AND WINE AND THE VENUE. 
          UM, WHY NOW IN THE MIDDLE OF A PANDEMIC, WHEN NO ONE COULD EAT INSIDE OR THEY'RE REQUESTING TO SERVE BEER AND WINE, WILL THEY BE SELLING THIS TO GO? I KNOW SOME RESTAURANT, I DON'T KNOW. 
          THE ALCOHOL PERMITS ALLOW THAT NOW IN CONCLUDE WELL FIGHTING NUMBER SIX, CLEARLY SPELLS OUT THAT YOU MUST CONSIDER SCHOOLS, PRESCHOOLS PARKS, DAYCARE CENTERS, AND SIMILAR USES IN APPROVING THIS USE PERMIT. 
          IT MUST NOT BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE HEALTH, SAFETY, AND WELFARE OF THE PUBLIC. 
          SO IF YOU FEEL ALCOHOL USAGE NEAR A LOT OF CHILDREN IS OKAY, THEN GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THE PERMIT. 
          I SHOULD POINT OUT THAT STAFF DOESN'T ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF CHILDREN, SCHOOLS, PARKS, AND VARIOUS USES IN THE CENTER. 
          INSTEAD THEY SAY THE FOLLOWING, THE AVAILABILITY OF BEER AND WINE IN CONJUNCTION WITH MEALS SHOULD NOT BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE HEALTH PIECE OR GENERAL WELFARE OF PERSONS RESIDING OR WORKING IN THE VICINITY. 
          IN CONCLUSION, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO RESTAURANTS SERVING BEER AND WINE. 
          HOWEVER, THE OWNERSHIP OF THIS CENTER CHOSE TO OPEN SCHOOLS IN THE CENTER. 
          THEY BUILT APART. 
          THEY HAVE A JUDO STUDIO AND A CHURCH. 
          THIS WAS THEIR CHOICE. 
          THE COMMUNITY ACCEPTED THESE OCCUPANCY C TYPES, EVEN THOUGH IT WASN'T TYPICAL OF A COMMERCIAL CENTER, ONCE THEY WENT IN THAT DIRECTION, THEY FORFEITED THE RIGHT TO SERVE ALCOHOL AT RESTAURANTS WITHIN THE CENTER, OOZE SCHOOL PARKS, YOUTH ACTIVITIES, DON'T MIX OR TO THE COMMISSION TO REJECT THE SALE OF BEER AND WINE AT THIS RESTAURANT. 
          IF MORE TIME IS NEEDED TO ANSWER MY QUESTIONS, I SUGGEST THIS ITEM BE HELD OVER FOR FURTHER INFORMATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HAS ANY COMMISSIONER HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, ANYONE ELSE TO OPPOSE? I'D LIKE TO COME UP TO SPEAK AGAINST THIS ITEM. 
          IF NOT, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          MADAM CHAIR, THE APPLICANT HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO REBUT. 
          WHAT WAS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO READ? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UM, UM, I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN OF THE GENTLEMEN, UM, ABOUT THE, THE SHOPPING CENTER ITSELF, UH WHAT'S BEFORE YOU TODAY IS, IS, IS NOT THE SHOPPING CENTER, UH, BUT A SMALL PART OF A RESTAURANT, UM, THAT REALLY DESPERATELY NEEDS, UM, A BEER IN MIND FOR, FOR THE VIABILITY OF THEIR BUSINESS. 
          UM, I COULD CERTAINLY BE A CONDUIT BETWEEN THE SHOPPING CENTER OWNER AND THE, THE GENTLEMAN THAT'S SPOKEN OPPOSITION OF OUR, OF OUR APPLICATION. 
          UM, BUT CERTAINLY HAVING OTHER AMENITIES OR SCHOOLS AND MARKETS IN THAT AREA SHOULD NOT BE NEGATIVELY AFFECTING OUR APPLICATION. 
          UH, ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS A, UH, A TRULY A BONAFIDE RESTAURANT, AND I THINK IT WILL SERVE NOT ONLY THE COMMUNITY, BUT THE BUSINESSES IN THE AREA AS WELL. 
          SO I URGE AN IBO. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          CAN YOU JUST VERIFY AND CLARIFY THAT, UH, MR. HERFORD SUGGESTED YOU MAY BE OPEN FOR TWO YEARS. 
          CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT IT'S ONLY BEEN A MONTH OR SO IT'S BEEN OPEN SINCE OCTOBER 19TH TO BE EXACT OCTOBER 19TH. 
          IT'S BEEN CLOSED DOWN, UM, FOR SOME TIME, UNFORTUNATELY THE PREVIOUS TENANT DID NOT DO A VERY GOOD, VERY GOOD 
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JOB. 
          DIDN'T WORK OUT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR OUR STAFF IS THERE'S, UH, THERE'S TWO SCHOOLS AND THAT SHOPPING CENTER, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING. 
          CAN ANYBODY ELABORATE ON THAT? THERE, THERE ARE TUTORINGS, UM, FACILITIES, WHICH HAS CLASSIFIED HER AS OKAY. 
          AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAM. 
          AND ONE OF MY NEPHEW WAS ATTENDING, I BELIEVE, AND SINCE MARCH, UM, UM, I DON'T THINK HE'S BEEN ATTENDING SINCE, SO EVERYTHING'S PRETTY MUCH CLOSED FOR NOW. 
          YES. 
          TUTORING CENTER, I THINK. 
          UM, THEY GO THERE AFTER SCHOOL FOR A COUPLE OF HOURS. 
          I THINK HIS IS AN HOUR IT'S I BELIEVE IT'S CALLED MATHENY'S. 
          YEAH. 
          AND IT, IT WENT BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, LAST YEAR, A YEAR AND A HALF AGO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE'RE GOING TO OPEN FOR COMMISSION DISCUSSION. 
          GOOD. 
          WE'RE DONE. 
          DONE. 
          YEAH, IT'S, IT'S A PRETTY SMALL SHOPPING CENTER AND IT'S, UH, RIGHT NOW THEY'VE GOT A CHURCH AND THE SCHOOLS AND ALL THAT. 
          AND, UH, I DON'T, I REALLY DON'T SEE THE NEED, UH, TO SERVE BEER AND WINE IN THIS, UH, IN THIS RESTAURANT. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO MAKE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SUCCESS AND FAILURE. 
          UM, SO I DON'T, AGAIN, I DON'T REALLY SEE THE NEED FOR IT. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, I DISAGREE WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER. 
          YOU KNOW, I THINK THESE RESTAURANTS ARE, YOU KNOW, FOR ONE THING, I ADMIRE THIS OPERATOR FOR COMING IN AND OPENING A RESTAURANT IT WITH IN THE ERA OF COVID IT'S NOT EASY. 
          AND WITH RESTAURANTS FAILING AND NOT FAILING, CERTAINLY STRUGGLING TO STAY OPEN. 
          I WENT IN THERE THE OTHER DAY. 
          I LOOKED AT IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A NICE KIND OF A BISTRO KIND OF ATMOSPHERE IN THERE. 
          I MEAN, I'M PICTURING THAT BECAUSE ALL THE CHAIRS AND TABLES WERE OFF TO THE SIDE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT SERVING INSIDE OBVIOUSLY, BUT, UH, THEY, THEY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WHEN I WAS IN THERE, PEOPLE WERE COMING IN AND PICKING UP ORDERS, YOU KNOW, AND EVEN, UH, THE, AN UBER OR ONE OF THOSE DELIVERY SERVICES WAS THERE PICKING UP FOOD TO TAKE TO SOMEBODY'S HOUSE. 
          SO THEY'RE TRYING TO STAY OPEN AND TRYING TO SURVIVE. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE HELPING THESE BUSINESSES AND, AND, AND HELPING THEM TO SURVIVE AND TO KEEP, KEEP THEIR FAMILY BUSINESS OPEN AND KEEP THEIR EMPLOYEES EMPLOYED AND MAKING A PAYCHECK AND NOT DOING THE OPPOSITE. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, I, I SYMPATHIZE WITH WHAT THE ITEM, THE TOPICS MR. HERTFORD BROUGHT UP. 
          I JUST FIND IT INTERESTING. 
          EVERYBODY WAS NOTICED ON THIS AND NONE OF THOSE, WHERE ARE THE SCHOOL OPERATORS? WHERE ARE THOSE PEOPLE? AND, YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE THE OTHER BUSINESSES THAT MAY BE OPPOSED TO THIS? NONE OF THEM ARE HERE AND WE HAVE HEARD NO CORRESPONDENCE FROM ANY OF THEM. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY THINK IS A BIGGER PROBLEM AS, AS MR. HERFORD DOES. 
          AND AS FAR AS THOSE OTHER BUSINESSES THAT HAVE FAILED TO OPEN, I DON'T THINK WE CAN ASSIGN BLAME TO THIS GUY BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT OPENING. 
          AND I AGREE, I SEE THAT, THAT LITTLE PLACE ON THE OTHER PLACES, THEY PUT SIGNS UP AND THEY DO A LITTLE BIT OF WORK AND THEN THEY'RE GONE. 
          BUT THE, YOU KNOW, I, I'M NOT GOING TO JUMP TO THE CONCLUSION THAT THERE'S SOMETHING NEFARIOUS GOING ON THERE. 
          I AM GOING TO JUMP TO THE CONCLUSION THAT MAYBE THEY JUST AIN'T GOT NO MONEY. 
          YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THAT HAPPENS, YOU KNOW, YOU SIGN A LEASE AND YOU INTEND TO GO FORWARD AND YOU'VE GOT ALL THESE WONDERFUL IDEAS. 
          AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU LOOK AT THE CHECKBOOK AND HEY, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE DONE. 
          YOU HAVE NO MORE MINOR DISHPAN, BUT THAT'S CERTAINLY, CAN'T BE, WE CAN'T ATTRIBUTE THAT TO THIS GENTLEMAN AND HIS, HIS BUSINESS. 
          HE IS, HE IS OPEN, HE'S OPEN. 
          HE'S TRYING TO DO BUSINESS THERE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, UH, I THINK THAT, 
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YOU KNOW, IT'S OPEN 11 TO EIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          HE'S NOT OPENING CRAZY HOURS. 
          HE'S OPENING, YOU KNOW, 11 TO EIGHT. 
          HE'S, UH, LIKE I, I MADE THE POINT IT'S YOU CAN'T WALK IN THERE AND SIT THERE AND, YOU KNOW, AND ORDER, YOU KNOW, LIQUOR, BEER AND WINE. 
          I JUST SIT THERE. 
          I MEAN, YOU'RE GONNA, PEOPLE ARE GONNA COME IN. 
          AND THE IDEA IS YOU SIT DOWN, YOU ORDER FOOD. 
          I LOOKED AT THE MENU WHEN I WAS THERE. 
          HE'S GOT A NICE ARRAY OF FOOD, A LOT OF FOOD THAT LOOKS, I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING, BUT THE PICTURE SURE, LOOK GOOD. 
          AND PEOPLE ARE COMING IN AND BUYING TICKING OFF BOXES OF FOOD. 
          SO IT MUST BE GOOD. 
          AND HE'S TRYING TO MAKE A GO OF IT. 
          AND, UH, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE LIKE TO GO INTO A NICE RESTAURANT AND ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S KIND OF GOT THAT KIND OF, UH, UH, BEASTO FEEL TO IT AND SIT AND HAVE A GLASS OF BEER OR A GLASS OF WINE WITH THEIR MEAL, YOU KNOW, I SEE NOTHING WRONG WITH IT AND, UH, I'M PREPARED TO SUPPORT IT, BUT I DON'T WANNA HEAR IT. 
          MY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE TO SAY YOU TOO WELL. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I'M, PRO-BUSINESS, UM, I SUPPORTED THE ALCOHOL TO GAS STATIONS AND I, ALL I HEARD WAS I GOTTA THINK OF THE KIDS. 
          THINK OF THE KIDS, THINK OF THE KIDS. 
          WELL, IF THERE'S TWO SCHOOLS, LIKE I CAN'T SUPPORT IT. 
          SO I, AND UNLESS THE CENTER WANTS TO GET RID OF THE SCHOOLS, IT WOULD BE ALL FOR IT, BUT THERE'S CHILDREN INVOLVED. 
          NO, I CAN'T BE FOR IT. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHAT REITERATE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER, RACHEL'S HAD TO SAY, UM, ABOUT, UM, NOT, UH, DIMINISHING THIS BUSINESS'S ABILITY, UH, TO DRAW IN CUSTOMERS BY VIRTUE OF BEING ABLE TO SELL BEER IN WINE. 
          UH, UH, I DO THINK THAT THAT IS, UM, AND NOT BEING ANY SORT OF EXPERT IN THE RESTAURANT BUSINESS THAT IT IS PART OF THE FORMULA FOR ATTRACTING CUSTOMERS. 
          UM, SO THAT IS, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, IS A SIGNIFICANT, UM, YOU KNOW, IN FACTOR, IN, IN HOW, UH, BUSINESSES ATTRACTED TO RESTAURANTS LIKE THIS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THE CONCERN ABOUT THERE BEING, UM, YOU KNOW, THE TUTORING SERVICES IN THE, IN THE ADJACENT, UM, AND THESE ADJACENT, UH, UH, LOCATIONS IN THE, IN THE SHOPPING CENTER IS, UM, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE A CONCERN IF IT WERE IN MY MIND, UH, A DIFFERENT KIND OF BUSINESS, AS OPPOSED TO A, YOU KNOW, BONAFIDE RESTAURANT. 
          UM, I CAN UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S THE TYPE OF BUSINESS THAT ATTRACTS A CERTAIN TYPE OF CLIENTELE, LIKE IF IT WERE, UM, MORE OF A LATE NIGHT, UH, NIGHT SPOT AGAIN, BUT THEN THOSE BUSINESSES AREN'T OPERATING IT, YOU KNOW, LATE NIGHT HOURS. 
          UM, THERE'S A, I DON'T SEE HOW THE MIX OF, UH, OF HAVING THIS TYPE OF BUSINESS, THIS TYPE OF RESTAURANT OPERATING THE WAY IT WILL, UH, WITH IT BEING A BONAFIDE RESTAURANT AND NOT HAVING, UH, SOMETHING THAT'S MORE OR LESS LIKE A BAR SETTING REALLY CONTRIBUTING TO, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL, UM, YOU KNOW, SAFETY CONCERNS. 
          THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK IN A LOT OF, UH, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL SETTINGS, YOU KNOW, ARE EXIST TODAY, UH, THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY RESULT IN THOSE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, UH, SAFETY, YOU KNOW, CONCERN, YOU KNOW, OUTCOMES. 
          SO, UH, I'M S I'M JUST MORE INCLINED TO BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS BUSINESS OWNER IS WELL-INTENTIONED IS, UH, GONNA, UH, YOU KNOW, DO THEIR BEST, GIVEN THAT THEY'RE TAKING THIS CHANCE AT A REALLY DIFFICULT TIME, YOU KNOW, DURING A PANDEMIC TO TRY TO START A BUSINESS, UM, THEY'RE TAKING A BIG RISK. 
          SO IT, YOU KNOW, THE ONUS IS ON THEM TO DO THE RIGHT THING. 
          SO, UM, I BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, THEY DESERVE A CHANCE. 
          AND, UH, AND, AND YOU HAVE THIS, UH, UH, THIS PERMIT, THIS PERMIT APPROVED ADAM CHAIR. 
          MAY I ASK A QUESTION, PERHAPS STAFF, THESE SCHOOLS WERE MENTIONED, WHERE ARE THOSE SCHOOLS? DO WE KNOW? I MEAN, I HAVE, I HAVE KIND OF AN IDEA, BUT WHERE ARE THEY IN PROXIMITY TO THIS RESTAURANT LOCATION? THERE'S THE RESTAURANTS AT THE VERY END, RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE TACO BELL. 
          AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE AN L IT GOES AROUND. 
          SO DO WE KNOW HOW CLOSE THOSE ARE TO THAT SCHOOL, TO THE, UH, YEAH. 
          TO THE RESTAURANT IN THE SCHOOL? YES. 
          THIS PARTICULAR RESTAURANT IS ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND ON THE SAME BUILDING ON THE SECOND FLOOR, THAT'S WHERE THE TUTORING CENTER IS UPSTAIRS STAIRS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THE, THE MATH, IS THAT THE MAGNESIUM UP THERE OR IS IT YES, THAT'S AWESOME. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THE MARTIAL ARTS SCHOOL IS AT THE, 
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AT THE END, AT THE END OF THE, OF THE FIRST, FIRST FLOOR, UH, LEVEL, I BELIEVE IT'S NEXT TO THE POST OFFICE. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND CHANGE MY OPINION. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WELL, THIS PARTICULAR PLAZA HAS BEEN THERE EVER SINCE I'VE KNOWN IT'S FOR THE LAST 30 OR SO YEARS, AND IT'S BEEN RELATIVELY QUIET. 
          I HAVEN'T SEEN A LOT OF BUSINESS ACTIVITY THAT WAS FULLY OCCUPIED. 
          I'M NOT SURE, BUT IT SEEMS PRETTY QUIET. 
          AND THEY HAVE ALWAYS HAD PROBLEMS HAVING TENANTS SEE PER BIRD. 
          HE'S BEEN IN CITY COUNCILS FOR THE LAST 20, 30 YEARS OR SO YOU PROBABLY KNOW THAT AS WELL. 
          I'M JUST A RESIDENT AND OBSERVED THAT IT'S BEEN PRETTY QUIET. 
          UM, EVEN THE GOT THE NAME, I THINK MARUCA WAS THERE BEFORE TOKYO CENTER AND THEY WERE CONSISTENT, BUT EVERYONE ELSE IS SORT OF LIKE, NOT, NOT THEY'RE OPEN OR WHAT HAVE YOU, IT'S BEEN VACANT UNTIL THE NEW OWNER JUST PICKED UP A COUPLE OF YEARS BACK. 
          SO I GUESS WITH THE QUOTE UNQUOTE SCHOOL, WHICH IS A, IT'S ACTUALLY NOT A SCHOOL BECAUSE IT'S NOT OPEN FROM EIGHT TO THREE OR SO, THEIR AFTER SCHOOL TUTORING CENTER. 
          SO IT'S AFTER SCHOOL, THE KIDS GETS BUSED THERE OR THEIR PARENTS BUS THEM THERE. 
          UM, AND A LOT OF TIMES THESE KIDS ARE BEING, YOU COULD SAY WATCH, OR WHETHER IT'S INSIDE THE CLASS OR GET PICKED UP RIGHT AWAY, BECAUSE I KNOW MY 10 YEAR OLD NEPHEW GETS REALLY UPSET IF I'M LATE. 
          SO THEY'RE BEING SUPERVISED AND YOU HAVE TO SIGN OUT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO SIGN THE KID OUT OF THE, THE PLACE. 
          SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE WANDERING AROUND THE PLAZA. 
          I DON'T THINK THEY CAN. 
          SO I THINK, UM, DUE TO THAT, AND I ALSO WANT TO MENTION THAT THE RESTAURANT BUSINESS DUE TO THIS COVID SINCE MARCH, IT HAS BEEN VERY DIFFICULT. 
          AND ALSO IT HAS, YOU KNOW, IT HAS BEEN STATED THAT SOME OF THESE RESTAURANTS WILL NEVER COME BACK A GOOD 30% OR SO. 
          AND, AND WE GUARDING KOREAN RESTAURANTS. 
          THEY HAVE A LOT OF BARBECUE, A LOT OF SIDE DISHES, AND THAT, I DON'T KNOW, IT MAY BE BECAUSE I DON'T DRINK. 
          SO IT MAY BE GOOD FOR GOING WITH BEER. 
          AND IF ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO HELP AS A CITY, WE WOULD LIKE TO SUPPORT THAT AND SUPPORT THEIR BUSINESS. 
          AND ESPECIALLY ITS OWN HAS BEEN A MONTH. 
          AND I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU DO IT SINCE YOU CAN'T BE INSIDE TO SERVE. 
          SO A LOT OF PEOPLE I'VE SEEN THIS SETTING UP OUTSIDE ON THE SIDEWALK JUST TO KEEP SURVIVING AND, AND EVEN TRYING TO KEEP IT SURVIVED. 
          THE RESTAURANT BARELY MAKE IT 50% OF THE CAPACITY. 
          SO IT'S REALLY TOUGH. 
          AND WE DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THEY'RE GOING TO SURVIVE. 
          NO, IF THEY SURVIVE. 
          UM, SO I WILL BE SUPPORTING ANYTHING THAT WE CAN HELP. 
          AND I DON'T THINK IT WILL INTERFERE WITH THE SCHOOL OR TUTORING CENTER PER SE, BECAUSE I THINK THE KIDS WHO GOES TO THOSE TUTORING CENTERS DO GET SUPERVISED BECAUSE THEY DO GET SIGNED IN AND THEY DO GET SIGNED OUT. 
          AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO DO. 
          SO I'M SURE I DO HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT AND A QUESTION I ALSO WANT TO BRING UP. 
          UM, THE, UM, UH, FIRST THE QUESTION IS, IS, UH, AND MAYBE THE, UM, OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVE CAN ANSWER THIS QUESTION IS, OR MAYBE IN ALSO STAFF, IS THERE ANY INTENTION TO, UH, OPERATE, UM, UH, OUTDOOR, UH, SERVING IS, YOU KNOW, OUTDOOR SEATING, AS MANY BUSINESSES ARE DOING RIGHT IN RESTAURANTS ARE DOING RIGHT NOW. 
          AND, UH, IF SO, AND MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION FOR STAFF, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT CONDITIONS, UM, ARE NORMALLY PLACED ON, UH, ON A RESTAURANT THAT HAS A LICENSE TO SERVE, YOU KNOW, BEER AND WINE. 
          UM, IF THEY'RE PROVIDING OUTDOOR SEATING, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE, WHAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED WHEN IT COMES TO, AND WHEN IT COMES TO THIS PARTICULAR ADMINISTRATIVE USE PERMIT, FIND THE ADDRESS, UH, THAT THE REASON MY, MY CLIENT OPENED UP HIS RESTAURANT ON OCTOBER 19TH, IT WAS BASICALLY DO OR DIE. 
          UM, HE CERTAINLY UNDERSTANDS THE PANDEMIC. 
          WE DON'T KNOW WHEN IT'S GONNA END, UH, BUT HE HAD TO START POINT. 
          SO HE'S TAKEN A BIG RISK, UM, AS FAR AS THE OUTDOOR DINING, UH, MY NEXT STEP, IF THIS BODY APPROVES IT AND ABC OKAYS IT, AND I'LL GO FORWARD WITH THE ALFRESCO PROGRAM WITH ABC, WHICH WE, WHICH MAY ALLOW US TO HAVE SOME SEATINGS OUTSIDE OF OUR RESTAURANT ON THE, ON THE SIDEWALK AREA. 
          UH, WE, WE WILL ATTEMPT TO, UH, UH, REACH RESEARCH THAT. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND MAYBE FOR STAFF, IS THERE, UH, SOMETHING THAT, 
          [00:45:01]
UH, COULD POTENTIALLY BE ADDRESSED AT THIS TIME OR DOES IT WAIT FOR THAT, UH, UH, THAT MOMENT IN THE FUTURE WHEN YOU'RE, UM, LOOKING TO, YOU KNOW, OPEN UP AN ALFRESCO ARRANGEMENT, UM, IS IF WE CAN ADDRESS THAT NOW, UH, IN, IN, AS PART OF THIS, UM, ADMINISTRATIVE USE PERMIT, MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING WE MIGHT WANT TO, UM, BE AWARE OF AND ADDRESS NOW, UH, OR, YOU KNOW, PLEASE ADVISE IT'S SOMETHING WE ADDRESS AT THE NEW AT A LATER STEP. 
          THE CITY DOES HAVE A SEPARATE TEMPORARY USE PERMIT PROGRAM TO ALLOW TEMPORARY OUTDOOR DINING DUE TO COVID. 
          AND WE CONSIDER IT AT LEAST SENT THE APPLICANT THAT INFORMATION SO THAT HE'S ABLE TO APPLY, UM, FOR THAT PROCESS. 
          AND THAT, THAT IS DONE ADMINISTRATIVELY AS FAR AS SERVING BEER AND WINE OUTSIDE, UM, THAT IS GOVERNED BY ABC AS IF THEY'RE, IF THEY HAVE A RESTAURANT, THEN THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO, TO DO OUTDOOR DINING OUTSIDE THROUGH OUR TEMPORARY USE PERMIT PROGRAM. 
          BUT AS FAR AS SERVING BEER AND WINE, IT'S, IT'S STILL UP TO ABC. 
          OKAY. 
          ONE OTHER JUST FOR YOU, SIR, YOU KNOW, THAT THE CITY IS TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING IT CAN TO HELP THESE RESTAURANTS SURVIVE. 
          THAT'S WHY WE ARE, YOU'RE SEEING A LOT OF RESTAURANTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY WITH SETTING UP OUTDOORS BECAUSE THEY'RE REALLY COOPERATING, UH, TRYING TO HELP THE RESTAURANTS. 
          SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU DEPENDING ON HOW THIS, YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE SUPPORT TO GO FORWARD. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD, UH, DEFINITELY CONTACT, STAY IN CONTACT WITH THE CITY AND FIND OUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU NEED TO DO AND TALK TO ABC. 
          SO YOU'RE DOING EVERYTHING THAT YOU NEED TO DO. 
          EVERYONE'S TRYING TO HELP BUSINESSES, ESPECIALLY RESTAURANTS STAY OPEN AND STAY HEALTHY. 
          SO THERE IS, THERE ARE WAYS TO DO IT THAT WE ARE ALLOWING IN THIS CITY. 
          SO YOU NEED TO STAY IN CONTACT, GET YOUR, GET YOUR APPROVALS AND YOUR ABC, AND THEN TALK TO THE CITY. 
          SO YOU KNOW EXACTLY HOW TO DO IT. 
          SO YOU CAN CAUSE YOU HAVE THERE'S ROOM THERE, YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S TRAFFIC THERE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, UM, THE, I THINK YOU, I THINK YOU WILL BE SUCCESSFUL IN THERE, BUT, YOU KNOW, UH, TALK TO TALK TO THE CITY. 
          OKAY. 
          WE THANK YOU FOR THAT RECOMMENDATION. 
          YES, SIR. 
          JOANNE ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. 
          SO CURRENTLY IN THE CITY OF WEST COVINA SERVING RESTAURANT SERVING OUTSIDE IS NOT ALLOWED, IS THAT CORRECT PER OUR CODE? IT, IT, IT IS THROUGH A TEMPORARY USE PERMIT PROGRAM, BUT YOU HAVE TO APPLY FOR IT. 
          YOU, YOU WOULD HAVE TO APPLY FOR IT. 
          THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT, THAT RESTAURANTS WOULD HAVE TO DO. 
          THEY WOULD HAVE TO BASICALLY SUBMIT A SITE PLAN AND MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S SAFETY PRECAUTIONS THERE. 
          SO THAT VEHICLES DON'T DRIVE THROUGH, UH, THE, THE OUTDOOR DINING AREA AMONG OTHER THINGS. 
          BUT IT, IT, THE CITY DOES ALLOW THEM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO I'M SURE I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. 
          SO I HAVE A MOTION AND DO I HAVE A SECOND THIS WHOLE SECOND? OKAY. 
          UM, ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          MARK. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER. 
          RED HOLDS IN A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER IS, UH, VICE-CHAIR. 
          HOLT'S NO MISSION OR HAWK IS A COMMISSIONER KENNEDY, NO MISSION OR RED HOLTS AYE. 
          AND CHAIRING THE MOTION PASSES. 
          THREE, TWO. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND GOOD LUCK, SIR. 
          IT LOOKS, SIR. 
          AND FOR THE RECORD THAT THAT'S THE RESOLUTION NUMBER 20 DASH SIX ZERO FOUR EIGHT. 
          [3. CODE AMENDMENT NO. 19-06]
YEAH. 
          TWO SECOND ITEM, WHICH IS THE CODE AMENDMENT TO NUMBER 19 DASH OH SIX CONSIDERATION OF CERTAIN AMENDMENTS TO ASSESS WITH DWELLING UNITS AND WHO WILL BE SENT THIS ITEM TONIGHT. 
          I'LL BE CONTINUING NOW. 
          UM, WE DON'T HAVE A REPORT TO PRESENT. 
          UM, HOWEVER, AS MARK STATED EARLIER THAT THE STATE IS STILL IN THE PROCESS OF, UH, REVIEWING THE DRAFT ORDINANCE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CONSISTENT WITH STATE LAW. 
          WE REQUEST THAT IT BE CONTINUED TO A DATE. 
          SIR, ENDED UP DECEMBER 8TH OF 2020. 
          HOWEVER, THIS ITEM HAS BEEN NOTICED AS A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          SO IF THERE ARE ANY, ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS REGARDING THIS ITEM, UM, WE WOULD CERTAINLY LIKE TO HEAR THAT. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          [00:50:01]
MADAM CHAIR TIME, YOU COULD OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS, UM, IF NOT, WE WOULD STUFF REQUEST THAT YOU LEAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND CONTINUE IT TO A DECEMBER 8TH MEETING. 
          OKAY. 
          SO FOR THE OPEN PUBLIC HEARING, AND DOES STAFF HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR IF NOT, THEN WE JUST CONTINUE UNTIL DECEMBER EIGHT, WE NEED A MOTION TO DO THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          JERRY, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CONTINUE THIS HEARING UNTIL DECEMBER EIGHT, RIGHT? DECEMBER EIGHT. 
          HEY, DO WE HAVE A SECOND MOTION? THANK YOU. 
          ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          MARK. 
          YES, WE HAVE A MOTION TO CONTINUE. 
          THE PUBLIC HEARING TO DECEMBER 8TH, A MOTION WAS MADE BY COMMISSIONER RED HOLES AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HOLTZ. 
          UH VICE-CHAIR HOLTS UH, COMMISSIONER HOCK HAS I MENTIONED HER KENNEDY. 
          I COMMISSIONED A RED HOLTZ AND SHARING. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          FIVE ZERO. 
          [4. CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NO. 20-07]
OKAY. 
          SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE DOWN TO, UM, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 20 DASH OH SEVEN. 
          UM, THE LOCATION IS 1208 SOUTH HOLLONQUEST DRIVE. 
          HOLD ON. 
          I'M NOT DONE YET. 
          UM, SO THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF AN 1868 SQUARE FOOT. 
          SECOND STORY ADDITION IS 734 SQUARE FOOT, SINGLE STORY ADDITION, 952 SQUARE FOOT, THREE CAR GARAGE TO BE PLACED EXISTING TWO CAR GARAGE AND A 5,200 SQUARE FOOT BALCONY TO THE EXISTING 4,344 SQUARE FOOT. 
          SECOND STORY, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENT. 
          THE PROPOSED HOUSE WILL TOTAL WE'LL HAVE A TOTAL AREA OF 7,465 SQUARE FEET EXCEEDING THE 5,000 SQUARE FOOT MAXIMUM UNIT SIZE. 
          THE APPLICANT IS ALSO REQUESTING A SLIGHT MODIFICATION TO EXCEED THE MAXIMUM 25 FOOT BUILDING HEIGHTS BY TWO FEET AND COMMISSIONER HOLT NEEDS TO BE ACCUSED HIMSELF. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND, UM, DUE TO THE FACT THAT HE LIVED WITHIN 500 SQUARE FEET FOR THIS PARTICULAR, UM, 500 FEET FROM THE, UM, HOW'S THAT WE'RE HAVING A DISCUSSION ON. 
          AND I'M CHAIRMAN I ALSO ASK IS IF I'M THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY IS HERE PRESENT, UM, WHO WILL BE PRESENTING THIS REPORT, THE SEPARATE BOOK, WOULD IT BE PRESENTED BY ASSISTANT PLANNER, MARY CAMILIA MARTINEZ. 
          WE'LL GO AHEAD AND BEGIN. 
          THE STAFF REPORT AS SOON AS COMMISSIONER HOLDS IS AT, IS NOT NO LONGER IN THE ROOM. 
          YOU HAVE TO LEAVE, RIGHT? GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. 
          SO I'LL BE PRESENTING THE ITEM NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS A SUMMARY, AN ADDITION TO AN EXISTING SECOND STORY HOUSE, EXCEEDING THE MAXIMUM UNIT SIZE AND MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, THE PROPERTY IS ZONED R ONE, A RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY. 
          THE LOT SIZE IS 23,000 AND 160 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS AROUND 0.5, THREE ACRES, UH, THE EXISTING HOUSE AS 4,344 SQUARE FEET. 
          UM, THE APP AGAIN IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO EXCEED THE 25% THRESHOLD OF THE MAXIMUM UNIT SIZE OF THE YOU'RE ALSO ASKING FOR A SLIGHT MODIFICATION TO EXCEED THE MAXIMUM 25 FOOT BUILDING HEIGHT BY TWO FEET. 
          AND THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE A SUBCOMMITTEE FOR DESIGN REVIEW BECAUSE THE PROPOSED ADDITIONS VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY, THE PROPERTY IS SURROUNDED TOTALLY BY SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL ONTO THE NORTH EAST WEST, AND THEN TO THE SOUTH. 
          IT IS STILL SINGLE FAMILY, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY OPERATED AND RUN BY, UM, SUBURBAN WATER SYSTEMS. THIS IS THE EXISTING SITE PLAN HERE. 
          THEY HAVE A TWO CAR GARAGE OF 434 SQUARE FEET. 
          UH, THIS FIRST STORY IS 2,637 SQUARE FEET. 
          THE SECOND STORY IS 1,273 SQUARE FEET, TOTALLY TO 4,344 SQUARE FEET FOR THE EXISTING HOME 
          [00:55:05]
FOR THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN. 
          THE PROPOSAL IS TO HAVE A THREE CAR GARAGE THAT IS 952 SQUARE FEET. 
          THE FIRST DOOR FIRST STORY WILL BE 3,371 SQUARE FEET. 
          AND A SECOND STORY WILL BE TOTALLY 3,142 SQUARE FEET. 
          THE PROPOSAL MEETS ALL REQUIRED SETBACKS FOR AREA DISTRICT THREE. 
          UH, THE PROPOSED FIRST FLOOR FLOOR PLAN, UH, IN THIS ARROW, IT BASICALLY IS JUST DEMONSTRATING THE ENTRANCE, WHICH IS KIND OF UNIQUE. 
          IT, YOU ENTER ADD IN AN ENCLOSED PORCH AND THEN YOU GO THROUGH THE MAIN ENTRANCE OF THE HOME, UH, AND YELLOW, WE HAVE HERE, THE THREE-CAR GARAGE, AND THEN PINK IS THE FOUR BEDROOMS ON THE FIRST FLOOR, UH, TWO BATHROOMS IN BLUE. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE THE GREEN LITTLE LAUNDRY ROOM RIGHT THERE, AS WELL AS THE, UM, DINING ROOM AND KITCHEN AND THE OPEN FLOOR PLAN OR THE SECOND FLOOR. 
          WE HAVE TWO BEDROOMS AND A BABY ROOM. 
          WE HAVE THREE BATHROOMS, UH, IN YELLOW, I HAVE HIGHLIGHTED IN EXISTING BALCONY. 
          AND THEN IN PURPLE I HAD THE PROPOSED, UM, BALCONY FOR THE PROPOSED ROOF PLAN. 
          WE HAVE TWO OPTIONS BEFORE YOU, UH, OPTION ONE. 
          IT IS A DUTCH GABLE ROOF STYLE, WHICH IS, UM, CONSISTENT TO MATCH THE EXISTING RESIDENTS. 
          AND THEN OPTION TWO IS A GABLE ROOF STYLE. 
          UM, AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING OPTION ONE BECAUSE EXISTING HOUSE HAS THIS STYLE. 
          AND, UH, WE ARE LOOKING FOR CONSISTENCY. 
          THIS IS THE SAME THING AS JUST THE RENDERING THAT THEY PROVIDED. 
          THIS IS THE FRONT ELEVATION, THE PROPOSED FRONT ELEVATION. 
          SO WITH THE NEW SECOND STORY ADDITION, UH, IT, THEY ARE ASKING FOR A SLIGHT MODIFICATION TO INCREASE IT FROM, UH, FROM THE CODE THAT ALLOWS FOR 25 FEET UP TO 27 FEET. 
          AND I HAVE CIRCLED HERE AT THE TOP IS ACTUALLY THE EXISTING HOUSE IS AT 27 FEET. 
          SO YOU'RE ASKING FOR IT TO BE AT THE SAME HEIGHT. 
          I WANT TO GO BACK REALLY QUICKLY AT THE FRONT ELEVATION. 
          THEY ARE PROPOSING AND ALONG THE REAR LARGE EXTERIOR WINDOWS AND ALSO FOR AN ALTERNATE MATERIAL, THEY'RE ADDING ON SHADE, GRAY, CONCORD, DOUBLE VINYL SIDING ON WHICH YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IN THESE, THESE HORIZONTAL LINES HERE, YOU CAN SEE IN THE RENDERINGS WHEN I HAVE THEM, THE OTHER PHOTOS COMING UP. 
          SO FOR THIS SIDE, ELEVATION, THIS IS THE MOST VISIBLE, UM, ELEVATION BECAUSE IT FACES, UM, HOLLAND CREST DRIVE. 
          UM, YOU CAN STILL SEE, UH, THE SITING HERE. 
          IT'S NOT COMING OUT ON THE SIDING THERE AND AS WELL AS THE LOW RETAINING WALL, UH, THIS IS THE YEAR OPPOSITE SIDE, UH, SIDE ELEVATION, WHICH IS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET AT ALL. 
          UM, YOU DO HAVE THE EXISTING AND YELLOW, UM, EXISTING BALCONY, AND THEN IN PURPLE, THE PROPOSED AND FOR THE REAR ELEVATION THE SAME WHERE THE YELLOW IS EXISTING AND THE PURPLE IS THE PROPOSED ON WITH A CHANGE OF NOW THIS, UM, LARGE, UH, WELL, THE SECOND STORY ADDITION WITH THE LARGE WINDOWS, AND THIS IS JUST THE RENDERING OF THAT FROM BEHIND AS WELL. 
          SO WE HAVE HERE THE EXISTING SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THE ADDITION, AND THEN TOTALLING THEM ALL UP. 
          SO WITH THE PROPOSED ADDITION, IT'S GOING TO BE AT 7,464 SQUARE FEET. 
          AND THIS IS INCLUDING THE THREE CAR GARAGE, UM, OVER THE LOT COVERAGE, WHICH I MEAN OVER THE LOT SQUARE FOOTAGE, WHICH GIVES US THE, AN FAR FLOOR AREA RATIO OF 32%. 
          OKAY. 
          AS FAR AS LOT COVERAGE, UM, SIMILAR, BUT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. 
          UM, YOU HAVE THE FIRST FLOOR AS WELL AS ALL OTHER, UM, COVERAGE STRUCTURES WITH THE PROPOSED ADDITION. 
          AND THEN ALL THAT BEING TOTALED UP, WE'LL COME OUT AT 5,473 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS GOING TO GIVE US LOT COVERAGE OF 24%. 
          OH. 
          UM, AS PART OF LARGE HOME, UM, PRESENTATIONS 
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AND, UM, PROJECTS, WE DO DO AN ANALYSIS OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, IN THIS SPECIFIC PROJECT, WE DID DO 13 PROPERTIES THAT YOU CAN SEE HERE. 
          UM, AND AS PART OF THAT, UM, ANALYSIS, IT WAS SURVEYED THAT, UM, FOR THE MEAN, AND MEDIUM OF THOSE PROPERTIES, THE FDR WAS IN 19% IN COMPARISON TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, WHICH IS AT 32%, THE PROPOSED HOME WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY, UM, TWO TIMES LARGER THAN THE AVERAGE SIZED HOME WITHIN THIS SURVEYED AREA. 
          THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS FOR A PLANNING COMMISSION TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTIONS, APPROVING CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS, SLIGHT MODIFICATION AND SUBCOMMITTEE, UM, WITH DESIGN OPTION, ONE OF THE DUTCH GABLE ROOF. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I'M AVAILABLE, WE DO HAVE THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND THE APPLICANT, A DESIGNER HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AS WELL. 
          DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS WHILE STUFF NOT? WE'RE GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING MEETINGS AND I HAVE, SO WE'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM THOSE IN FAVOR FIRST, THEN THOSE OPPOSED, AND I DON'T HAVE ANY CARD. 
          THE APPLICANT LIKES TO COME UP. 
          HELLO. 
          HI. 
          HI. 
          SO, UM, THE MAIN REASON WE'RE EXPANDING IT'S, UM, MY HUSBAND JUST CAME BACK FROM DEPLOYMENT AND HE HAS THREE YEARS BETWEEN THERE MIGHT BE A NEXT ONE. 
          AND DURING THIS THREE YEARS, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE BABIES. 
          AND I WA I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THESE THREE, SO WE NEED BIGGER HOUSE. 
          AND RIGHT NOW, EVEN THOUGH I KNOW IT ASSISTS 4,300 CURRENT SQUARE FOOTAGE, BUT IT DOESN'T, IT JUST DOESN'T HAVE THEM THAT MUCH LIVING AREA, BECAUSE WE HAVE TWO LIVING ROOMS. THE SICKEST STORY HAS A LARGER LIVING ROOM, WHICH MY DAD CONVERTED INTO A GYM AND THE OTHER HALF, AND MY MOM COVERED INTO A READING ROOM. 
          SO IT WAS NOT FOR US. 
          AND THE MASTER BEDROOM IS FOR MY PARENTS. 
          UM, MY DAD AND I ARE THE HOUSE OWNERS. 
          SO I'M ALSO, UM, I WORK AS A PHOTOGRAPHER, SO I ALSO HAVE A STUDIO THAT I WORK AT HOME. 
          SO NOW WE JUST NEED A LOT OF EXTRA ROOM FOR THOSE THREE BABIES. 
          OKAY. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION WHICH WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR THE ROOF, WHICH ONE DO YOU, UH, WHICH IS YOUR PREFERENCE AND WHY? THE SECOND ONE DEFINITELY LOOKS BETTER. 
          LIKE THE PROPOSALS, THE SECOND PICTURE. 
          I LIKE THAT ONE AND NOT THE FIRST ONE IS THE ONE THAT THE TOUCH IT GOES WITH THE ORIGINAL DESIGN. 
          UH, I THINK THE SECOND ONE LOOKS BETTER. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT'S AESTHETIC. 
          IT'S THE WAY IT LOOKS. 
          YEAH. 
          I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION THOUGH, BECAUSE YOU KNOW HOW LIKE, UM, THE FIRST PICTURE CURRENTLY THE TOP PORTION DO NOT HAVE A SECOND STORY ON TOP OF THE GARAGE, CURRENTLY THE EXISTING HOUSE. 
          SO YOUR NEIGHBOR, WHICH IS ONE OVER, ARE THEY, HOW MUCH HIGHER ARE THEY? I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH HIGHER THEY ARE, BUT I, MY, OUR SECOND STORY AT THE ROOM HAS A WINDOW. 
          THAT'S LOOKING AT THEIR FENCE. 
          SO, YEAH. 
          UH, MY NAME IS EDGAR. 
          I AM THE, UH, DESIGNER FOR THIS PROPERTY HERE AND APPROXIMATELY FROM THE EAST SIDE OF THE, UH, ELEVATION TO THE NEIGHBOR HOUSE. 
          IT'S ABOUT 17 FEET IN HEIGHT DIFFERENCE. 
          UH, FROM THE WEST SIDE, UH, I BELIEVE IS ABOUT 18 FEET. 
          SO IT'S PRETTY MUCH FLAT. 
          IT'S JUST, IT ESCALATES AT, UH, EVERY WHICH PROPERTY LINE, WHICH ELEVATES DOWN TO WE HAVE THE 
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END OF IT. 
          SO IT ALMOST CLIFF IS DOWN INTO THE HAULING CREST. 
          UH, BUT IT APPROXIMATELY IS ABOUT 17 OR 18 FEET. 
          IS THAT GROUND ELEVATION. 
          NO-NO GREAT TO GREAT. 
          I'M GREAT. 
          SO WHEN YOU ADDED THE SECOND STORY TO THE GARAGE ON OF THIS GARAGE, YES. 
          THE HOUSE TO THE EAST. 
          WELL, NOT, NO, THERE'S NO REALLY, UH, AN EFFECT IN THERE IT'S YOU STILL HAS AN ELEVATION HIGHER LEVEL, UH, TO THE, TO THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE ON THE EAST SIDE. 
          SO IT'S ABOUT 17 FEET WHEN YOU PUT THE SECOND STORY, UH, IT IT'S FLUSH WITH THE EXISTING, UM, ROOF HEIGHT. 
          SO IT SHOULDN'T, IT DOESN'T ENCROACH ANY EYESIGHT FROM THIS IS 27 FEET. 
          SO YOU'RE SAYING 17 FEET DIFFERENCE ELEVATION AND THEIR FIRST FLOOR WOULD BE, WHICH IS A NINE FEET. 
          NO, THE GARAGE HIGH IT'S NINE FEET. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO THE SECOND FLOOR WILL BE, WE'LL LEAVE YOU AT, UH, 17 OR 18 TO THE TOP PLATE. 
          UH, I BELIEVE IT'S 22. 
          UH, SO, UH, CONSIDERING YOUR ELEVATION FROM THE NEXT STEP, FROM THE EAST SIDE, YOU'RE STARTING AT A 17 FEET, SO THEY THEY'RE APPROXIMATELY HIGHER, UH, STILL, AND IT'S OVERSEEING THE, UH, OUR PROPOSAL ELEVATION NET ON TOP OF THE GARAGE, WHICH IS WHAT YOU'RE QUESTIONING. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO IF I'M I BLOCKING THE VIEW FROM THE EAST SIDE INTO LOOKING INTO THE WEST SIDE, BY PUTTING A SECOND STORY ON TOP OF THE GARAGE, THAT IS, THAT, IS THAT YOUR QUESTION? YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UH, THE DIFFERENCE ELEVATION HEIGHT, IT'S ABOUT 16 TO 17 FEET SLIGHTLY. 
          A LITTLE BIT MORE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IT'S STILL THE BELOW THE OBSTRUCTION OF VIEW. 
          SO YOU'RE SAYING THE, THE HOUSE ON THE EAST SIDE, CAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S SO, CAUSE IT'S RIGHT THERE. 
          IF YOU MOVE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, I'M SORRY. 
          UM, THERE'S A LOT OF, IF YOU LOOK UP, THERE'S A LOT OF, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE IT BASED ON HERE. 
          IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF WINDOWS ON THAT. 
          UM, THE EAST SIDE HOUSE IS RIGHT NOW. 
          WAIT, NOW YOU HAVE A ONE-STORY GARAGE OVER THERE. 
          IF YOU, YOU, THAT AREA TO JUST KIND OF LOOK THROUGH IT. 
          UM, BUT, OKAY. 
          SO I THINK YOUR IDEA IT'S FURTHER DOWN. 
          YEAH. 
          THIS ONE HERE. 
          YEAH. 
          INTERESTING. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT, I'M WHERE IT'S CLEAR, RIGHT? THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN ELEVATION. 
          WELL, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN ELEVATION NOW. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE JUST RIGHT THERE RIGHT NOW, BUT THEN ONCE YOU BUILT THE TWO STORIES, RIGHT ON TOP OF THAT GARAGE, THE HOUSE ON THE EAST SIDE. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S STILL THE FRONTAGE OF THE EAST SIDE. 
          NOT FROM THE SIDE OF WHERE THERE'S ACTUALLY A VIEW. 
          IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT STRAIGHT FROM PORCH, THERE'S NO VIEW THERE RIGHT NOW. 
          WE COULDN'T GO UP. 
          YEAH. 
          SO ADDING ON TOP OF IT, DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE. 
          NO. 
          OKAY. 
          IF THERE'S NO VIEW, WHY WOULD THEY HAVE ALL THAT WINDOWS AROUND IT? YOU CAN SEE IT. 
          NOT, NOT, NOT THE HOUSE THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, BUT THE EAST SIDE OF THE HOUSE, IF YOU LOOK AT ALL OR YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE IT, WHEN YOU DRIVE THERE, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT, BUT, OKAY. 
          SO, SO DO YOU KNOW THE ANSWER THOUGH, BECAUSE OF THE ELEVATION, YOU SAID 17 FEET, BUT BY THE TIME IT GET TO THE SECOND LEVEL, IT'LL BE 27. 
          SO THE DIFFERENCE IS ON THE EAST SIDE HOUSE, WILL THAT BE BLOCKING? SO IT'S, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A LIVING ROOM WINDOW. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THAT SIDE IS THE FRONTAGE OF THE PROPERTY THERE, WHERE YOU SAY, HA MAY HAVE A VIEW. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE A VIEW NOW IS FROM THE PORCH LOOKING OUT TOWARDS THE GARAGE, IT'S STILL THE FRONT SETBACK WITHIN THE PROPERTY. 
          YOU KNOW, SO RIGHT NOW TO THIS POINT, THERE IS NO VIEW. 
          UNLESS YOU LOOK UP, YOU GO OUTSIDE AND YOU LOOK UP BECAUSE THE GARAGE IS OBSTRUCTING VIEW TO EVEN OVERSEAS SUNSET. 
          SO ADDING A SECOND STORY. 
          NOW IT'S THE SAME THING. 
          IT'S THIS? I MEAN, THE VIEW IS YOU HAVE TO REALLY GO UPSIDE TO THE FRONT PORT AND SEE IT'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM. 
          MAYBE WE SHOULD TAKE PHOTOGRAPHS. 
          SO YOU GUYS COULD SEE FURTHERMORE, WHAT EXACTLY, YOU KNOW, CAUSE DESCRIBING IS KIND OF RIGHT. 
          SO, UM, WELL WE COULD TAKE REPORT OF THAT FOR SURE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
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IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO HAS A QUESTION? OKAY. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          NOPE, DON'T WORRY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ALL RIGHT NOW, BUT, UM, DO WE HAVE ANYONE TO POST THE PROJECT W LIKE TO SPEAK AGAINST IT? COULD YOU PLEASE COME UP AND COULD YOU PLEASE ALSO FEEL A CARD FOR US? IS THAT NUMBER FOUR? MY NAME, MY NAME IS PAUL . 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          PAUL. 
          I RESIDE AT 1216 HOLLAND CREST DRIVE. 
          I AM THE NEIGHBOR IMMEDIATELY TO THE EAST OF THE 1208. 
          OH, THANK YOU FOR COMING. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          AND I DO APPRECIATE YOUR QUESTIONS REGARDING OBSTRUCTION OF VIEWS. 
          WELL, FROM THE WEST SIDE OF MY HOME, I ACTUALLY HAVE 90 SQUARE FEET OF EXTRA WINDOWS ON THE WEST SIDE OF OUR HOME. 
          THE PROPOSED ADDITION WILL CREATE A SIGNIFICANT OBSTRUCTION TO OUR VIEW. 
          TWO, IF I MAY, UH, ADDRESS A FEW POINTS MADE BY THE PLANNING STAFF, UH, IN THEIR REPORT. 
          AND FIRST I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE SURVEY OF SURROUNDING RESIDENTS. 
          IT'S SHOWN AS THE MEAN OF FLORIDA, 38, 55 SQUARE FEET AND THE MEDIAN AT 34 53 SQUARE FEET. 
          I DID A REVIEW MYSELF OF SURROUNDING HOMES AND CAME OUT WITH NUMBERS A BIT LESS. 
          UM, I DO HAVE A QUESTION AS TO WHETHER THOSE AREAS INCLUDE GARAGE SPACE. 
          I ONLY HAVE ACCESS TO ASSESSOR'S DATA AND LEAH ASSESSOR'S DATA ACTUALLY SHOWS AN AVERAGE OF THE 15 NEIGHBORING HOMES OF 2,900 SQUARE FEET, 29 16, AND THE MEDIAN OF 2371. 
          THERE'S ALSO A, ANOTHER COMMENT MENTIONED IN THE REPORT THAT, UH, IT IS A PREDOMINANTLY TWO-STORY NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, IN REALITY OF THE 15 NEIGHBORING HOMES, ONLY THREE HOMES, INCLUDING THE APPLICANT ARE TWO-STORY ALL THE OTHER HOMES ARE ONE STORY. 
          AND SO THE PROPOSAL TO BUILD A HOME OF OVER 7,000 SQUARE FEET, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE REQUIREMENTS, THE MAXIMUM SIZE IS 4,000 SQUARE FEET. 
          AND TO REQUIRE IT, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS THAT YOU NEED TO GO 25% OVER THAT. 
          SO THE MAXIMUM UNIT SIZE HER, THESE ZONING REQUIREMENTS IS 4,000 SQUARE FEET. 
          UM, TO 5,000 IS 25% MORE. 
          UM, THE PROPOSAL IS FOR A 7,465 SQUARE FOOT HOME. 
          WE ARE VERY CONCERNED AS NEIGHBORS ABOUT THIS EXCESSIVELY SIZE STRUCTURE, A COUPLE WELL POINTS I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT ARE IN THE STAFF'S REPORT. 
          UM, THERE IS ONE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUIREMENT THAT STATES THAT IN AN AREA THAT'S PREDOMINANTLY ONE-STORY, WHICH IS THE CASE HERE IS ENCOURAGED AT THE SIZE OF THE SECOND STORY, BE REDUCED IN RELATION TO THE GROUND FLOOR, A SMALLER SECOND STREET, SECOND FLOOR WILL NOT APPEAR AS MASSIVE OR BOXY. 
          AND THAT IS ONE CONCERN THAT WE HAVE AS AT THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN DOES PURE A BIT BOX. 
          THERE'S ANOTHER ELEMENT HERE, ADDING A SECOND STORY ELEVATION IN ONE STAR AREAS ENCOURAGED TO PROVIDE A SIGNIFICANT SECOND STORY SETBACK ON THE FRONT ELEVATION, LIKE ADDING BACK. 
          THE SECOND STORY FROM THE FIRST STORY, THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE WILL FIT BETTER IN THE CONTEXT OF A ONE-STORY NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AGAIN, I RECOGNIZE THAT THE REPORT DOES STATE THAT THE HOME IS NOT READILY VISIBLE FROM THE STREET, BUT I WOULD, UH, CONTEST IT FROM HOLLENBECK STREET AND THOSE HOMES THAT ARE, UM, WESTERN YEAH, THE HOUSE THEY CAN READILY SEE THAT THIS PROPOSED ADDITION, 
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YOU TOUCHED UPON THE IMPEDIMENT TO THE VIEW FROM MY HOME. 
          GEE, I THINK I'LL CLOSE WITH A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. 
          I COULD PROVIDE MY LIST OF HOMES THAT WE LOOKED AT. 
          MY WIFE WAS ABLE TO PULL UP A LIST FROM THE ASSESSOR'S DATABASE, SHOWING THAT I'D LIKE TO LEAVE THAT WITH STAFF, IF I COULD AND OR COMPARISON WITH, UH, THE INFORMATION THAT THEY PROVIDED IN THE REPORT. 
          UH, THEY DO MENTION ONE HOME THAT'S 10,000 SQUARE FEET. 
          THAT HOUSE IS NOT WITHIN THE RADIUS DEFINED. 
          UH, BUT ALSO THAT HOUSE IS SOMEWHAT HISTORIC. 
          IT'S PROBABLY THE OLDEST HOUSE IN THE CITY OF WEST COVINA. 
          I BELIEVE IT WAS OWNED BY THE PLANTATION OWNER. 
          I'D LIKE TO, I REQUEST THAT IF THE COMMISSION IS SERIOUSLY CONSIDERING THIS PROPOSAL, THAT PERHAPS ONE THING THAT WOULD BE USEFUL FOR THE COMMUNITY WOULD BE REQUIREMENT OR REQUEST THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER PLACED STORY PULSE TO ENABLE THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT THIS BUILDING IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE FROM THE STREET AND FROM THEIR HOMES AND PERHAPS THE COMMISSION, IF THEY WERE, IF THEY WERE TO CONSIDER APPROVING THIS PROPOSAL, THAT THEY AT LEAST CONTINUE IT, CONTINUE THIS HEARING PENDING THE PLACEMENT OF THE STORY POLES FOR VIEW BY THE NEIGHBORING RESIDENCES. 
          UM, I'D LIKE TO CLOSE WITH A COMMENT AND THAT IS, I HEARD ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS SAY EARLIER THAT NO ONE WAS HERE TO SPEAK AGAINST THE PROPOSAL. 
          THIS WAS, UH, ANOTHER ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT YOU CONSIDERED EARLIER. 
          AND I HAVE TO TELL YOU HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO COME UP AND SPEAK AGAINST YOUR NEIGHBOR. 
          I VALUE MY FRIENDSHIPS WITH MY NEIGHBORS, AND THIS HAS BEEN EXTREMELY PAINFUL TO COME FORWARD AND CONTEST MY NEIGHBORS PROPOSAL. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THANK YOU FOR COMING. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          ARE YOU FOR THE PROJECT WILL OPPOSE THE PROJECT. 
          UM, I AM THE CONTRACTOR ON THE PROJECT, SO, UM, I HAVE A LIST OF SOME PROPERTIES THAT I'VE WORKED ON HERE IN WEST COVINA, JUST TO, SO, UM, JUST THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT I'VE DONE HERE IN THE PAST FOUR YEARS. 
          I WANT TO DO I LEAVE THIS HERE? UM, UH, FIRST OFF, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK AND ALLOW ME TO WORK IN WEST COVINA THESE PAST FOUR OR FIVE YEARS. 
          UM, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND, UM, HIS CONCERNS ABOUT THE VIEW AND, UM, WE DID HAVE, UH, SOME INFORMATION REGARDING ELEVATION SET UP ONE OF OUR ASSOCIATES, THE ONE THAT DID THE FINDINGS FOR US. 
          HE WASN'T ABLE TO MAKE IT, HE GOT CAUGHT IN ANOTHER COMMISSION, WHICH IS WHY WE COULDN'T ANSWER CLEARLY THE EXACT ELEVATION DIFFERENCE. 
          SO I DO UNDERSTAND THAT'S BEEN OUR MAIN CONCERN, TRYING NOT TO BLOCK THE VIEWS, BUT BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION OF THE EXISTING HOME, IT'S TUCKED INTO THE CORNER OF THE LOT. 
          WE WEREN'T ALLOWED, WE WEREN'T ABLE TO DESIGN THIS, UH, ADDITION AND ANY OTHER LOCATION OTHER THAN THE, WHERE IT'S AT NOW. 
          SO I AM, UH, I AM NOT OPPOSED TO DOING THE STORY POLES. 
          UM, I ALSO THINK THAT WE CAN, UH, UH, GIVE MORE INFORMATION REGARDING THE VIEWS BECAUSE ON THIS PROPERTY A FEW YEARS BACK, I BUILT AN EIGHT FOOT RETAINING WALL. 
          UM, FROM THE LOWEST PART OF HOLLAND CREST, THERE IS THIS HILL, THIS WHOLE STREET OF HOLLAND. 
          CHRIS HAS A BIG SLOPE DIFFERENCE. 
          SO FROM THE, FROM YOU'RE STANDING ON TOP OF THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, UM, YOU'D LOOK DOWN AND IT'S NOT A SLIGHT DIFFERENCE. 
          IT'S A MAJOR DIFFERENCE IN ELEVATION BETWEEN ALL THESE HOUSES. 
          SO, UM, UH, THE NEIGHBORS, UH, 90 SQUARE FEET OF WINDOWS, UM, IF IT'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE WITH THE VIEW, WE CAN TOTALLY ADDRESS THAT. 
          UM, WITH THE STORY POLES, IF THAT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS, UH, HAVE AN ISSUE WITH. 
          UM, BUT OVERALL WE HAVE BEEN TAKING, UM, THE VIEWS INTO CONSIDERATION PER OUR FINDINGS AND PER OUR RESEARCH THAT THERE'S SO MUCH SLOPE ON THAT, ON THAT STREET THAT 
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WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT WILL BE BLOCKING A VIEW. 
          TOTALLY. 
          UM, LIKE I SAID, I'VE DONE A LOT OF HERE IN WEST COVINA AND, UM, I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS TAKING THIS PROJECT INTO CONSIDERATION AND, UM, YEAH, LOOKING FORWARD TO SEE WHAT YOU, YOU GOT TO SAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR COMING UP. 
          AND CAN YOU FILL UP ONE OF THE CARDS AS WELL? FIRST? ANY QUESTIONS I'M, UH, YOU KNOW, OPEN ANY MORE WE BOTTLE? I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A POST ANYMORE NEIGHBORS, I GUESS IF, UM, WOULD THAT BE UV BOTTLE? ALL THE THING THAT HE SAID EARLIER, UH, OKAY. 
          MADAM CHAIRMAN COMMISSIONER IS IF I MAY. 
          SO THE APPLICANT HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE OPPOSITION COMMENTS. 
          AND SO IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL THINGS YOU WANT TO SHARE WITH THE COMMISSION IN RESPONSE TO THE OPPOSITION COMMENT NOW WOULD BE YOUR TIME. 
          IF NOT MADAM CHAIR, YOU MAY CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          HI, MY NAME IS FERNANDO SOLIZ. 
          I'M CAN YOU FILL A CARD FOR US AS WELL? THANK YOU. 
          I'M HERE WITH, UH, VAE DESIGN AND I DID HEAR THE NEIGHBORS CONCERN ABOUT BLOCKING THE VIEW. 
          IS THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? THE REBUTTAL? SO THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IN GRADE OF APPROXIMATELY 16 FEET, UM, FROM THE PROJECT SITE TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY. 
          AND ALSO HIS VIEW IS ONLY ACCESSIBLE FROM THE SECOND STORY, WHICH IS OVER, UH, 27 FEET IN HEIGHT. 
          THERE'S SUCH A, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A SECTION OR AN ELEVATION THAT WE CAN SHOW, BUT FROM, FROM THAT VIEW, UM, THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY, WHICH IS TO THE EAST, UM, IS 16 FEET ABOVE GRADE FROM THE FINISHED GRADE OF THAT IS SECOND STORY IS 16 FEET US AN ADDITIONAL NINE. 
          SO WE'RE AT 23 FEET. 
          THAT ROOF RIDGE IS 27 FEET. 
          UM, I BELIEVE THAT FROM THE SECTION THAT WE HAVE PROVIDED IN THE ELEVATION AND THE DIFFERENCE IN GRADE, THERE IS NO OBSTRUCTION. 
          WE CAN LOOK AT IT IN GREATER DETAIL IF THE COMMISSION REQUESTS, UM, BUT WE WOULD LIKE AT LEAST THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THAT INFORMATION AND TO THAT BECAUSE OF THE DRASTIC, UH, GREAT CHANGE THAT THERE IS NO BLOCKAGES IN VIEW. 
          OKAY. 
          I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION THOUGH. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S NO, YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE'S NO BLOCKAGE, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UH, PLAN OVER THERE, UM, THE GARAGE CAUSE THE EXISTING RIGHT NOW JUST DON'T HAVE THE GARAGE IN THE FIRST FLOOR. 
          CORRECT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO HIS FIRST LEVEL, HE DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING BLOCKING HIM AND THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          SO YOU'RE BUILDING A SECOND STORY. 
          SO RIGHT NOW HIS FIRST FLOOR, HE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SEE IT, BUT ON THE SECOND STORY, YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT MAY NOT BLOCK HIS, CORRECT. 
          HIS ONLY WINDOWS ARE ON THE SECOND STORY. 
          AND THE SECOND STORY THAT FACES THAT ELEVATION THERE. 
          SO HOW MUCH IS IT BLOCKING? IT WOULDN'T BE BLOCKING ANYTHING IF HE IS STANDING ON HIS FIRST STORE. 
          AND IF HE IS LOOKING ON THE EDGE OF HIS DRIVEWAY, LOOKING OUT TOWARDS THAT WAY, UM, THERE MIGHT BE A COUPLE OF FEET THAT WOULD BE BLOCKING HIM BECAUSE IF HE'S SIX FEET TALL, THE GREATEST 16 FEET, HIS EYE LEVEL IS APPROXIMATELY TO THE RIDGE A LITTLE BIT LOWER TO THAT RIDGE OF THE SECOND STORY, BECAUSE THERE'S SUCH A BIG GRADE CHANGE AND WE'LL BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE SOME TYPE OF SECTION THAT SHOWS THE BLOCKAGES IN VIEW, BUT WE ARE KEEPING THE SAME HEIGHT OF THE EXISTING HOUSE AND WE ARE EXPANDING ONLY IN FOR THE WEST SIDE. 
          SO, UM, IT'S A LITTLE, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO SEE THE, THE GRADE SEPARATION BECAUSE WE DIDN'T PROVIDE THAT. 
          WE WEREN'T READY FOR THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO, TO PROVIDE AN ILLUSTRATION 
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AND AN EYESIGHT VIEW THAT WE'VE DONE BEFORE FOR OTHER PROJECTS. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          WE PROBABLY, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT BECAUSE I CANNOT SEE WHEN I WAS AT THE JOB AT THE SITE, I COULDN'T GO UP THERE OR I COULDN'T GO TO HIS NEIGHBORS TO SEE WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE ELEVATION. 
          IT'S VERY DIFFICULT, SO CORRECT. 
          IT'S VERY DIFFICULT. 
          UH IT'S UH, BUT IN THE OLD DAYS, THE DEVELOPER WHO DEVELOPED THESE HOMES, I BELIEVE MAY HAVE TAKEN CONSIDER THIS IS 30, 50 YEARS AGO. 
          I'M NOT SURE HOW LONG THE HOUSE BUILT. 
          SO THEY PROBABLY MAY HAVE TAKEN TO CONSIDERATIONS WITH THE ELEVATION DIFFERENCE IN EACH, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY HAVE A HOUSE. 
          SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE CHANGING, CORRECT. 
          AND I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH CHANGE IT WILL AFFECT THE OTHER NEIGHBORS. 
          SO WE'RE TAKING THIS INTO CONSIDERATION AS WELL. 
          W WE WOULD BE GLAD TO, UH, PROVIDE AN ELEVATION AND A SECTION AND SHOWING THE GRADE DIFFERENCES IN THE ADJACENT PROPERTY SITE AND HOW HIS SITE WOULD NOT BE OBSTRUCTED. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I CAN ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT MAYBE THE COMMISSION OR ANY, UH, OTHER CONSIDERATIONS OR MODIFICATIONS THAT COULD BE DONE TO THE PROPERTY TO MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD TO AN APPROVAL. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S A NEW ONE. 
          NO QUESTIONS, NO QUESTIONS, NO QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANKS. 
          I GUESS, UM, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND OPEN COMMISSION DISCUSSIONS. 
          UM, CHAIR, IF I MAY, I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS A QUESTION THAT THE, THAT, UH, THAT THE NEIGHBOR HAD ASKED STAFF REGARDING THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD AVERAGING SINCE, SINCE THE, SINCE THE FLOOR AREA RATIO CALCULATION FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION REQUIRES THAT THAT BE THAT AN ATTACHED GARAGE BE INCLUDED IN THE FLOOR AREA RATIO. 
          WE, IN ORDER TO DO A COMPARABLE CALCULATION, WE HAD TO ADD THE S ALL ATTACHED GARAGES, THE SIZE OF ALL ATTACHED GARAGES TO THE SIZE OF EACH HOME. 
          SO IN OUR CALCULATION, THE SIZE OF THE GARAGE FOR EACH PROPERTY IS ADDED ON TO, TO THE, TO THE CALCULATION OF THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE, SO THAT IT WOULD, IT WOULD WORK BETTER AS FAR AS CO UM, COMPARISON IS CONCERNED. 
          AND WE DID DRIVE AROUND AND, AND, AND MADE NOTES ON WHETHER OR NOT THE GARAGE IS ATTACHED DETACHED. 
          IF IT'S A CAR PORT, IF IT'S A TWO CAR GARAGE, OR IF IT'S A, IF IT'S A THREE CAR GARAGE OR, AND SO FORTH. 
          SO IF IT'S A TWO CAR GARAGE, WE ACTUALLY UNDERESTIMATED IT TO BE 400 SQUARE FEET ABOUT APPROXIMATELY 400 SQUARE FEET. 
          UM, NORMALLY, UH, A TWO CAR GARAGE IS A LITTLE BIT OVER 400 SQUARE FEET. 
          AND IF IT'S A THREE CAR GARAGE, WE ESTIMATED TO BE APPROXIMATELY 600 SQUARE FEET. 
          THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO, DOES ANYONE ELSE HAS QUESTIONS WHILE STAFF, IF NOT, I LIKE TO, UM, I LIKE TO START THIS, UM, AND THE CITY OF WHAT'S COVINA, WE HAVE, UM, I GUESS IT'S THE CODE REQUIRES ANYONE WHO HAS SECOND STORY, UM, OR HOMES THAT ARE BUILT MORE THAN 3,990 SQUARE FOOT REQUIRES TO COMES TO PLANNING COMMISSION IS THAT BASICALLY ACTIVATE TO COME TO PLAN PLANNING COMMISSION TO GET APPROVAL. 
          NOW, IN THIS, IN THIS, IN THIS SITUATIONS, THERE ARE, IT SEEMS LIKE IT HIT THE CONDITIONS, WHICH IS THE TWO STORY, AND ALSO LARGE HOMES. 
          SOME THAT ARE LARGER THAN 3,990 SQUARE FOOT. 
          SO THE CONDITIONAL USE REQUIRING CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS. 
          SO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT ARE DEPENDING ON WHAT THE FIVE COMMITTEE MISSIONERS, UM, AGREED OR NOT NOW IN THIS, HIS HOUSE ON TOP OF THOSE TWO CONDITION, WHICH IS LARGER THAN 3,900 SQUARE FOOT. 
          AND TWO-STORY ON TOP OF THAT. 
          THERE ARE ONE MORE ADDITION THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR, WHICH IS THE TWO FEET EXCEEDING THE HEIGHT THAT ARE IN CURRENT CODES. 
          THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT I BELIEVE IS 12 ONE 25 FEET. 
          SO THERE A FEW CONDITIONS THAT THEY'RE BEING 
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ASKED FOR. 
          SO I LIKE TO START WITH THAT FIRST, AND THEN WE HAVE, SO THOSE ARE THE THREE ITEMS THAT WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. 
          AND ON TOP OF THAT, WE'RE AS A PLANNING COMMISSION, EVEN THOUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSIONS DO NOT HAVE A VIEW ORDINANCE IN THE CITY OF WEST COVINA, BUT WE ARE TO SOME EXTENT THE VIEW ORDINANCE WE DO NEED, WE DO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATIONS OF HOW EACH HOMES ARE BEING BUILT AND HOW IT'S AFFECTING THEIR NEIGHBORS AS WELL. 
          AND LIKE I SAID, I WAS THERE AND I COULDN'T SEE THE DIFFERENT ELEVATIONS PART OF THE REASON THAT IS BECAUSE I COULDN'T GET INTO THE NEIGHBORS. 
          I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S DOGS OR WHAT HAVE YOU, BUT I DON'T WANT TO GO OVER THERE AND GET CHASED DOWN BY THE DOGS. 
          BUT, UM, I COULDN'T SEE SOME OF THE, UM, THE SITUATIONS WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE FLOOR PLAN AND, AND VOLITIVE TOO THE, UM, UM, TO THE ADDITIONS THAT YOU'RE ADDING, THE MAIN AREA THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE SECOND STORIES ON TOP OF THE GARAGE VERSUS THE OLD AREA THAT YOU HAD THE SECOND FLOOR. 
          I'M NOT SO MUCH CONCERNED BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN THE OLD DAYS, THE DEVELOPER WHO DEVELOPED THAT WHOLE TRACK MAY HAVE TAKEN THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD INTO CONSIDERATION OF HOW EACH IS AFFECTING EACH OTHER. 
          SO RIGHT NOW I'M SO HAPPY THAT THE OWNER IS WILLING TO DO HIS STORY POLE AT ONE, AND ALSO PERHAPS OUR COMMISSION. 
          UM, WOULD IT BE, BE ABLE TO GO BACK WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORING NEXT DOOR AND PERHAPS WE CAN SEE A LITTLE BETTER, BETTER, AND HE ALSO PROPOSED TO DO ELEVATION FOR US TO TAKE A LOOK AT, SO THAT IS REALLY A PLUS, AND I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT. 
          UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO DO. 
          SO, SO NOW LET'S HEAR WHAT OUR FELLOW COMMISSIONERS I WOULD LIKE TO ADD. 
          UM, ONE THING I'LL START ON IS, UM, THAT, UH, WE DO APPRECIATE THE, THE OWNERS, UM, DESIGNER AND CONTRACTOR OFFERING TO MAKE PRESENTATION OF, UH, OF WHAT THEY BELIEVE WILL DEMONSTRATE HOW THE ADDITION OF SECOND STORY DOESN'T BLOCK ANY VIEWS TO THEIR, TO THE NEIGHBOR, TO THE EAST. 
          UM, SO I'M CERTAINLY IN FAVOR OF YOU, UH, PRODUCING THAT DEMONSTRATION OF, UM, AN ELEVATION THAT SHOWS THAT, UH, ALSO, UM, THE OWNERS CONTRACTOR SAID THEY WERE WILLING TO, UM, INSTALL STORY POLES, UH, WHICH WOULD BE, UH, SOMETHING THAT I BELIEVE THE NEIGHBOR WOULD BE INTERESTED IN, IN SEEING TO, UH, MAKE THAT DEMONSTRATION IN, ON, ON SITE, UH, WHICH I THINK IS A GOOD IDEA. 
          SO, UM, I THINK THAT'S A STARTING POINT HERE, UH, ON THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY NEED TO, UH, MAKE THAT DEMONSTRATION, UH, CLEAR ENOUGH TO SEE, UH, FOR OURSELVES AND, AND, AND FOR THE OWNER'S NEIGHBOR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I HAVE TO, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING WELL, I'D LIKE TO HEAR MAYBE IF STAFF CAN ADDRESS SOME OF THESE ISSUES THAT ARE BEING BROUGHT UP AS FAR AS WHAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED THAT DO COME BACK AND TAKE A LOOK AT AS FAR AS, I MEAN, TO ME, IT'S, UH, UH, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN ABOUT THE VIEW TO ME THAT WOULD BE A COURTESY TO COME BACK AND DO THAT BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO A VIEW ORDINANCE IN THE CITY. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE A COURTESY TO DO THAT. 
          AND I'M FINE WITH THAT. 
          UM, BUT AS FAR AS THE OTHER, UH, I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE ABLE TO MAKE THESE FINDINGS THAT WE HAVE, MAYBE YOU CAN ADDRESS THAT. 
          SO PERHAPS WE HAVE A CONTINUE. 
          YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM, UM, UH, WITH THEIR REQUESTS AT THE OWNER, UH, MAKE PRESENTATION OF A DRAWING, SHOWING THE ELEVATION, UH, DIFFERENCE, UH, WITH THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY, UH, THE PROPOSED, UM, UH, ROOFLINE, UH, SHOWN RELATIVE TO THE NEIGHBORS VIEW, UH, AND, UM, AND ALSO THE INSTALLATION OF STORY POLES. 
          UH, SO THE NEIGHBOR CAN OBSERVE, UH, HOW THE IMPACT OF, OF THE SECOND STORY COULD POTENTIALLY IMPACT 
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THEIR VIEW. 
          I LIKE TO ADD THAT PERHAPS OUR COMMISSIONERS NOW THAT BOTH OWNERS ARE HERE, PERHAPS WE CAN GO TO THE PROPERTY AND WE ALWAYS GO TO THE PROPERTY, BY THE WAY, FOR ANY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND PRIVACY, WE CAN GET PERMISSIONS TO GO TO THE PROPERTY AND TAKE A LOOK AT, TO SEE THE ELEVATION AS WELL. 
          THAT'S AMONG OUR COMMISSIONERS. 
          SO IT'S NOT, WOULD THAT REQUIRE SOME SORT OF SET UP WITH STAFF? I MEAN, WE ALL WENT, THAT'S A MEETING SITUATION. 
          YEAH. 
          WE DON'T HAVE TO ALL GO AT THE SAME TIME. 
          AND I DON'T THINK ALL TIME IS ALL AT THE SAME TIME AS WELL. 
          SO JUST MAKING SURE WE COVER THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO CAN WE MAKE SURE WE COVER THAT IF THEY PUT STORY POLES UP, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE IT ON THE OUTSIDE. 
          SO BEAUTIFUL. 
          AND I DON'T BELIEVE THEY HAVE A GATE, SO YOU WOULDN'T EAT, YOU DON'T NEED TO SET UP AN APPOINTMENT WHERE ALL COULD SEE A COLLECTIVE, BUT WHEN WE WILL BE ABLE TO WORK WITH THE OWNERS ON THE EAST SIDE, SO THAT WE CAN AT LEAST SEE HOW THE STORY POLE ON HIS ELEVATION AS WELL. 
          UM, I CAN CONTACT THE NEIGHBOR AND SEE IF HE'S WILLING TO PROVIDE YOU HIS PHONE NUMBER SO THAT HE CAN MAKE ARRANGEMENTS WITH THEM. 
          UM, UM, THE IT'S CLOSE. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          SO WE'LL BE CONTINUING THIS, SO YOU CAN, YOU CAN OPEN IT. 
          YOU CAN REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          OKAY. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO SAY NOW, INSTEAD OF FINDING OUT TWO WEEKS LATER, OKAY. 
          I'M WILLING TO, OKAY. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT I'D LIKE TO GET, WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ANYBODY WANTED TO ADD IN, BECAUSE, UH, WE'RE GONNA BRING US BACK. 
          I DON'T WANT TO BRING THEM BACK FOR THREE, FOUR MEETINGS. 
          I WANT TO BRING BACK JUST EXACTLY THIS WAY. 
          I MEAN, WE GET EVERYTHING WE NEED TO GET NOW. 
          THAT'S WHY I WAS JUST, WE REOPENED THE PUBLIC HEARING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HEAR EXACTLY WHAT BOTH PARTIES ARE AGREEABLE TO AND OUR, AND, AND, UH, THAT THEIR, UM, THEIR NEEDS OR INTERESTS ARE BEING MET. 
          UH, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO ACCOMMODATE THE COMMISSION TO VISIT THE PROPERTY. 
          UM, IF WE, IF ALL THE COMMISSION GOES AT ONE TIME, WE CAN SCHEDULE THAT TO ACCORDING TO THE BROWN ACT. 
          IF YOU DON'T DISCUSS THE PROBLEM, WE CANNOT, WE CANNOT. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, WE HAVE TO GO BY ALLSUP'S OR OURSELVES, OR, OR, OR NORMALLY PAIRS OF TWO MORE THAN TWO. 
          YEAH, SURE. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, WE'LL, WE'LL BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT. 
          I THINK IT WOULD BE ALSO A GOOD IDEA IF WE CAN COORDINATE WITH THE NEIGHBOR AND ALSO THE SAME TIME THAT WE VISIT ONE PROPERTY, WE VISIT THE OTHER PROPERTY. 
          SO THERE'S A, A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF, OF THE ENTIRE SITE, NOT IN PIECES. 
          OKAY. 
          I, THAT DEPENDS ON WHETHER THE NEIGHBORS ARE CORRECT. 
          I DON'T WANT UNDO TIME SPENT ON CONSIDERATION OF VIEW OBSTRUCTION. 
          MY PRIMARY CONCERN HERE IS THE SIZE OF THE STRUCTURE IN COMPARISON TO THE NEIGHBORING HOMES, ZONING LAWS HAVE A PURPOSE. 
          THE PURPOSE OF A 4,000 SQUARE FOOT UNIT MAXIMUM IS SUCH THAT HOMES IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA ARE GOING TO BE OF A SIMILAR SIZE AND CHARACTER. 
          THE SIZE OF THIS HOME IS DOUBLE WHAT'S ALREADY EXISTING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THAT IS MY PRIMARY CONCERN. 
          AND HEARING THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT, I'M A BIT CONCERNED THAT UNDO TIME HAS BEEN SPENT TALKING ABOUT THE OBSTRUCTION OF VIEW AND NOT ON THE SIZE OF THE STRUCTURE COMPARED TO THE OTHERS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          WITH RESPECT TO THE VIEW, OBSTRUCTION THAT WE ANTICIPATE. 
          IF STORY POLES WERE PLACED, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE PICTURES FROM MY PICTURE WINDOWS IN MY HOME, THAT WOULD CLEARLY SHOW YOU WHAT ANY SITE OBSTRUCTION MIGHT BE CREATED. 
          BUT I DO WISH THAT THE COMMISSION WOULD DULY CONSIDER THE SIZE OF THE STRUCTURE IN COMPARISON TO THE OTHERS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE PURPOSE OF ZONING REQUIREMENTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I ALSO LIKE TO ADD THAT PART OF THE REASON WE'RE DOING THE STORY POLE GOING OUT THERE TO TAKE A LOOK AT ALSO WILL MAKE US SEE WHAT THE SIZE AND THE MASKING ARE REGARDING THE NEW ADDITION OF THE HOME. 
          SO THAT WILL BE TAKEN TO CONSIDERATIONS WHEN THAT IS BEING DONE. 
          AND, AND THEN, SO WE CAN MAKE A BETTER DECISIONS ON THAT. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          UM, ANYONE ELSE WANT TO ADD ANYTHING TO THE OKAY. 
          MOTION? 
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UM, ACTUALLY WE CLOSED IT ALREADY. 
          SO ACTUALLY YOU ACTUALLY CAN'T THINK NO. 
          W WHEN YOU GUYS ARE DOING ALL THAT, WE W WE ARE GOING TO COME BACK AND MAKE A DECISIONS ON MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, BECAUSE YOU REOPENED IT AND YOU ALLOW, OKAY, COME ON UP. 
          AND, UM, THANK YOU, YOUR NEIGHBOR, JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE, BECAUSE THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM. 
          THE APPLICANT IS AFFORDED DUE PROCESS RIGHTS, WHICH INCLUDES THE RIDE EVERY BOTTLE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, THE, TO REBUTTAL TO HIS COMMENT THAT THE HOUSE IS TOO LARGE AND, AND IT'S, UM, TOO LARGE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD STAFF HAS BEEN FINDINGS, AND THEY HAVE WRITTEN THAT THE ADDITION, UM, IS CAN THE ADDITION, THE EXISTING HEIGHT, UM, IT, IF ANY ADDITION THAT IF WE DO ANY ADDITION THAT DOES NOT MATCH THE 27 FEET IN HEIGHT, IT WOULD NOT LOOK PLEASING. 
          THE HOUSE WOULD LOOK A LITTLE OFF THAT'S ONE. 
          AND THE SECOND REBUTTAL THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE IS THAT STAFF BECAUSE OF THE TOPOGRAPHY, BECAUSE OF THE LAND, BECAUSE OF THE AREA THAT THE ADDITION IS HAPPENING IN THE, UH, THE STRUCTURE AS A WHOLE IS NOT A BIG STRUCTURE. 
          IT DOES NOT LOOK OVERARCHING. 
          IT DOESN'T LOOK INTO ANYONE'S REAR YARD, AND IT IS NOT SEEN FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY. 
          SO THE HOUSE IS A LITTLE LARGER THAN THE NEIGHBORING SITES, BUT IT, THE ADDITION IS HAPPENING IN ONE SPECIFIC AREA THAT NONE OF THE NEIGHBORS CAN SEE. 
          THE ADDITION ON THERE IS SUCH A BIG GRADE CHANGE, AND THERE IS SUCH A BIG GRADE CHANGE FROM THE STREET. 
          THERE'S SUCH A BIG, GREAT CHANGE FROM ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS. 
          AND THERE'S ALSO A GREAT CHANGE IN GETTING TO THE SITE WHERE THIS TWO STORY STRUCTURE, AS BIG AS THE ADDITION CAN BE. 
          IT IS TUCKED IN WITHIN THE INSIDE OF THE PROPERTY THAT THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS ARE NOT ABLE TO SEE THE ADDITION. 
          AND WHEN YOU GO TO THE SITE, IF YOU NOTICE A LARGE PORTION OF THE HOUSE IS TUCKED INTO THE HILL, UM, IF YOU CAN LOOK AT, IF WE CAN ZOOM IN INTO THE HOUSE, GO A LITTLE DOWN, UM, THIS IS SOMEONE, IF SOMEONE WAS TO WALK BY, EVEN WITH THE ADDITION, YOU WOULD BARELY BE ABLE TO SEE IT IN THE CORNER BECAUSE THE PRIMARY 4,000 SQUARE FOOT OF THE HOUSE IS TUCKED INTO THAT GRADE CHANGE FROM THE NEIGHBORS TO THE HOUSE IT'S TUCKED INSIDE. 
          SO WITHIN THE GRADE CHANGE, THE HOUSE IS TUCKED IN INSIDE. 
          SO, SO THE MASS SCENE AND EVERYTHING ELSE JUST LIKE STAFF SUPPORTED THE PROJECT IS NOT A, IT'S NOT A BIG, BIG MESS. 
          WELL, UM, I LIKE TO ADD THAT YOU WERE LATE, YOU MISS SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAD EARLIER IN ONE OF THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, THAT I UNDERSTAND THE MASS. 
          IT IS DOUBLE THE SIZE OF THE SURROUNDING AREA. 
          WE CANNOT, AT LEAST AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME, WE'RE NOT READY TO MAKE A DECISION BASED ON THE MASS SIZE. 
          AND ONE OF THE, THERE ARE QUITE A FEW CRITERIA THAT YOU ARE ASKING US TO APPROVE, CORRECT? ONE OF THE CRITERIA WAS IF YOU HAD MORE THAN 3,990 SQUARE FOOT, IT'S A CONDITIONS TO ASK FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. 
          THE OTHER ONE WAS A TWO STORY. 
          SO YOU HIT BOTH, AND THEN YOU HIT A THIRD ONE, WHICH IS REQUIRING US TO INCREASE THE LIMIT IN THE HEIGHTS OF WHAT OUR MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS FOR WHAT'S CAMINA, WHICH IS A BELIEVER IT'S 25 FEET. 
          SO YOU'RE ASKING FOR THESE TWO CRITERIA, AND WE AS A WHOLE, A COMMISSIONER DO NEED TO MAKE DECISIONS, NOT JUST ONLY ON THE WHEEL, THE HEIGHT. 
          WE ALSO NEED TO SEE IF THE MASK AND EVERYTHING FIT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL. 
          SO I JUST WANT TO, YOU HAD MISSED THAT PORTION, I GUESS, I BELIEVE YOU CAME IN A LITTLE BIT LATER, SO I JUST WANTED, I WAS HERE IN THE BACK LISTENING. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          THEN YOU HEARD THAT. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE THREE THINGS THAT WE DO NEED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATIONS, AND I AM SO GLAD THAT YOU ARE WILLING TO WORK WITH US. 
          IT WAS THE STORY POLE SO THAT WE CAN SEE THE MASS, BUT BASICALLY HOW BIG IT IS FROM THE STREET, FROM THE NEIGHBORS, FROM EVERYWHERE THAT WE CAN SEE. 
          AND THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO VISIT YOUR JOB SITE. 
          SURE. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WHAT STAFF LIKE TO ADDRESS I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM STAFF ON SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT THE CHAIR HAS BROUGHT UP? I MEAN, IS THIS, IS THIS PROJECT, UH, IS IT JUST A MATTER OF DISCRETION OF THE COMMISSION OR IS THERE SOME, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT THIS PROJECT IS NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH? 
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A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS, IS, UH, APPLICATION IS A DECK DISCRETIONARY APPLICATION. 
          SO IT'S UP TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON WHETHER OR NOT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE THE FINDINGS LISTED, UM, AS REQUIRED FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN THE MUNICIPAL CODE AS, UM, THE SLIGHT MODIFICATION APPLICATION IS ALSO A DISCRETIONARY APPLICATION, TYPICALLY SLIGHT MODIFICATION APPLICATIONS, OUR STAFF LEVEL REVIEW. 
          HOWEVER, SINCE THIS PROJECT REQUIRES A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, IT'S ALL, ALL THE APPLICATIONS, WHETHER OR NOT STAFF LEVEL OR PLANNING COMMISSION LEVEL, IT'S ALL BUNDLED UP TOGETHER TO PROVIDE MORE EFFICIENCY IN PROCESSING THE APPLICATION, UH, IN THAT IS THE SAME WITH A SUBCOMMITTEE DESIGN REVIEW. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU, JOANNE. 
          SO WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND OR DO WE HAVE ALL THE CRITERIA FROM REG EARLIER? AND ALSO WE, IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS GOING TO CONTINUE THE ITEM, WE WOULD LIKE THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO CONTINUE THE ITEM TO A DATE CERTAIN AS WELL AS IF, IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN PROVIDE STAFF WITH DIRECTION, AS FAR AS THE DESIGN, IF THE DESIGN, THE DESIGN ASPECT OF THE PROJECT, IF THE, IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS OKAY, WHAT, UM, WITH THE OPTION ONE OR THE OPTION TWO, WHICH IS THE GABLE ROOF OR THE DUTCH GABLE ROOF, UM, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT MAY BE ABLE TO, UM, GET SETTLED TODAY SINCE IT'S NOT SIZE RELATED, IT'S JUST AESTHETICS. 
          WELL, JOANNE, THE PART OF THE REASONS WHY, UM, COMMISSIONER HAWK HAS REQUESTING FOR EIGHT STORY POLE SO THAT WE CAN SEE THE MASSIVENESS OF THE BUILDING AS WELL. 
          SO I LIKE TO SEE IF WE CONTINUE THIS AND MAKE A DECISIONS BASED ON THAT, BUT ALSO AT THE SAME TIME, THE BUILDERS HERE IS WILLING TO GIVE US VISUAL SO THAT WE CAN GO AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND ALSO PUT THE STORY POLE FOR US TO GO THERE AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT AS WELL. 
          SO PRIOR TO MAKING ANY DECISIONS, WE LIKE TO GO TO THE JOB SITE AND SEE WHAT OTHER CONDITIONS, AND THEN MAKE A DECISIONS AFTER WHEN WE MEET UP. 
          HOWEVER, THE ROUGH DESIGN IS DIFFERENT. 
          IT'S SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT FROM OPTION ONE AND OPTION TWO. 
          AND WHEN THE STORY POSTS, IT'S JUST A ROOF FOR THE SECOND STORY. 
          SO YOU'RE ASSUMING THAT WE'RE APPROVING ALL THE PROJECT AND JUST CHANGING THE ROOF LINE, WHICH IS THE TWO FOOT DIFFERENCE AND UNDERSTAND, UM, HOWEVER, THE, THE, THE STORY POLE DESIGN WOULD BE DIFFERENT BASED A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BASED ON WHETHER OR NOT IT'S GOING TO BE A DUTCH GABLE OR A, OR A, UM, OR A GABLE ROOF, BECAUSE THE STORY POLES SHOW THE STORY POLE SHOWS THE, UM, THERE'S GOING TO BE, WE CAN SEE THE TWO FEET DIFFERENCE. 
          IT DOESN'T MATTER WHICH ONE THAT THEY PICK. 
          I BELIEVE WE CAN SEE THE TWO FEET DIFFERENT. 
          UH, JUST TRYING TO SAY, AS A STORY, YOU JUST CARE ABOUT THE HEIGHT, CORRECT? BECAUSE THE RIDGE AT THE MIDDLE IS THE SAME HEIGHT AS THAT CORRECT. 
          THE SHAPE OF IT SHOULD BE UP SO WE CAN HEAR YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WE'RE, UM, I THINK WHAT SHE'S TRYING TO SAY IS IF I'M GOING TO DO A STORY POLE, UM, I'M GOING TO BE NEED DIRECTION ON WHICH ONE, WHICH DESIGNED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE STORY POLES. 
          UM, BUT TO YOUR POINT, UM, IF WE'RE DISREGARDING THE EXACT STORY, UH, THE EXACT ROOF PITCH AND THE EXACT ROOF SHAPE, I CAN JUST MOVE FORWARD WITH 27 FOOT HEIGHT AND THEN THE ENDS OF THE HOUSE AND DISREGARD CAUSE THERE'S DIFFERENT LEVELS OF STORY POLES. 
          SOMETIMES THEIR STORY POLES WILL, YOU NEED TO KNOW EXACTLY EVERY SINGLE THING THAT'S WITHIN THE EXTERIOR OF THE STRUCTURE, BUT IF I'M JUST GOING TO GO WITH RIDGE POLE POINTS ON THE END AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, THE MASS OF THE STRUCTURE, THEN I THINK WE CAN BYPASS THAT. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEEDED TO SEE, BUT WE JUST NEED CLARITY ON THAT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO GO UP A STORY POLES AND THEN, UM, MAKE IT A, UH, AN ISSUE WHERE I DIDN'T DO EXACTLY WHAT'S ON THE, BASED OFF THE GABLE OR THE DUTCH. 
          GOTCHA. 
          BUT AT THE PITCH, AT THE END, UH, TOWARD THE MIDDLE OF IT, IT'S STILL THE SAME PITCH, WHETHER IT'S, WHETHER IT'S THE FIRST ONE OR THE SECOND ONE. 
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YES. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          SO JUST, YEAH. 
          YES. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT'S ONLY THE TWO END AT THE END PORTION. 
          THAT'S A LITTLE, IT LOOKS AESTHETIC, BUT IT LOOKS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, BUT FOR THE MASSIVENESS. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'LL BE FINE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          SO HE UNDERSTAND WHAT HE NEEDS TO DO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HAWK HAS GIVEN THE EXTENDED DISCUSSION. 
          COULD YOU PLEASE RESTATE YOUR MOTION? SURE. 
          UM, THE MOTION IS TO HAVE, UH, THE OWNER, UM, PRESENT A GRAPHICAL REPRESENTATION OF THE GREAT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PROPERTIES AND THE ELEVATION, A REPRESENTATION OF THE, OF THE NEW ROOF LINE, I GUESS, PROPOSAL, UH, RELATIVE TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY. 
          AND THEN THE SECOND PART IS FOR, UH, TO DO, UH, INSULT STORY POLES THE WAY AS IT WAS DESCRIBED, JUST NOW COMMISSIONER HAWK HAS IN ORDER TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING WITHOUT RE NOTICING, UH, WHEN WOULD YOU LIKE FOR THIS TO COME BACK? UM, I BELIEVE WHENEVER IT WOULD BE, UM, AS SOON AS FEASIBLE FOR US TO HAVE THIS, UH, UH, BOTH THESE ITEMS ACCOMPLISHED, I THINK DECEMBER 8TH IS PROBABLY WOULD GIVE THE APPLICANT AND STAFF ENOUGH TIME. 
          SO STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND DECEMBER 8TH. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE APPEARS TO BE THAT APPEARS TO BE REASONABLE. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE APPLICANT, IF, IF WE CONTINUE TO THE DECEMBER 8TH MEETING, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO PUT THE STORY POLLS UP AND ALSO PROVIDE THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION BY, BY THE 24TH OF NOVEMBER? OKAY. 
          CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          THEY BELIEVE IT. 
          THAT'S WHAT THEY DESCRIBED. 
          YEAH. 
          ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE NEED TO ADD? UM, NO, I, I JUST WANT TO MAKE ONE COMMENT, YOU KNOW, AS I'VE OFFERED THAT MOTION, I JUST, UM, DO WANT TO SAY THAT, UM, I, I HEAR THE NEIGHBORS, UM, UH, CONCERN ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE MASSIVENESS AND SIZE OF THE PROJECT. 
          UM, I JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAT IN, YOU KNOW, ON THIS COMMISSION, UH, IN OVER RECENT TIMES THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT SIMILAR ISSUES WITH, UM, SHE UPS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT BEFORE THE COMMISSION WHERE THE PROPOSALS HAVE BEEN SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER THAN THE 25% THRESHOLD. 
          UH, I, I PERSONALLY HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, FAIRLY CONSISTENTLY, UH, OPPOSED TO, UM, DEVELOPMENTS THAT, UH, OUTSIZE, UM, IN, IN THE, UH, THE SIZE OF THE LOTS THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON, UH, IT'S BEEN A TREND THAT WE'VE BEEN, THAT I'VE BEEN SEEING, UH, HAPPENED THAT I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE IN, UH, BECAUSE THIS IS DISCRETIONARY, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE THAT DISCRETION TO ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, THAT TREND. 
          AND, UM, I'M GENERALLY NOT FAVORABLE TOWARDS THAT, BUT WE WILL SEE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE COMMISSION, WE'LL SEE WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE WHEN WE HAVE THIS NEXT, UH, SET OF INFORMATION BROUGHT FORWARD TO US. 
          SO WITH THAT, I JUST WANT TO CONTINUE WITH OFFERING MY, UH, THE MOTION THAT, AND, UH, SEE IF WE CAN HAVE THAT BUILDER DONE. 
          OKAY. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND MOTION? ANYTHING ELSE THAT I'LL SECOND THAT JUST TAKE A ROLL CALL. 
          I HAVE NOTHING ELSE. 
          NO, I'M NOT GOING TO SECOND IT, SO THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO CONTINUE THE ITEM TO DECEMBER 8TH AND THE APPLICANT WILL INSTALL A STORY POLES AND PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON SITE CROSS SECTIONS. 
          THAT MOTION WAS MADE BY COMMISSIONER HOKAS AND SECONDED BY CHAIR. 
          HANG. 
          AND WITH THAT, I'LL DO A ROLL CALL. 
          UH, VICE CHAIR. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          VICE-CHAIR HOLTZ IS NOT HERE. 
          HE'S USED, UH, COMMISSIONER HOCK IS AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER KENNEDY, COMMISSIONER RED HOLTS OH, AND CHAIR HING. 
          AYE. 
          THE MOTION PASSES 
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THREE, TWO, ONE, UH, WITH ONE MISSION OR NOT PRESENT. 
          THANK YOU EVERYONE. 
          SO WE'RE MOVING TO MADAM CHAIR WITH SOMEBODY WE'LL NEED TO, UH, BRING BACK VICE CHAIR HOLT. 
          OH, THAT'S RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU WAITED A LITTLE BIT UNTIL WE CAN YOU GUYS READY FOR ANOTHER CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT? BRING IT ON. 
          YEAH. 
          OH, RIGHT. 
          UM, GEORGE, YOU STILL THERE? WHERE IS OH, OKAY. 
          HERE WE GO. 
          THAT'S TO UNMUTE OR LET'S MAKE HOST. 
          NO, NO, GEORGE, IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, CAN YOU UNMUTE? I, GEORGE? UM, ALL RIGHT. 
          WE'RE GOING TO GET STARTED SOON. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST HANG TIGHT. 
          [5. CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NO. 20-10]
OKAY. 
          SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ITEM NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 20 DASH 10. 
          AND THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A LARGE HOME TO CONSTRUCT A 196 SQUARE FOOT. 
          FIRST FLOOR ADDITION TO THE EXISTING TWO-STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENT. 
          THE HOUSE WITH THE PROPOSED ADDITION WOULD BE 5,067 SQUARE FEET, WHICH EXCEEDS THE 3,999 SQUARE. 
          WHAT MAXIMUM UNIT SIZE BY 1068 SQUARE FOOT. 
          AND, UM, WHO WILL BE PRESENTING THIS ITEM THIS EVENING? LU ME AGAIN. 
          THANK YOU. 
           ALL RIGHT. 
          SO, UM, GOOD EVENING. 
          AND, UH, TONIGHT I WILL BE PRESENTING A SECOND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT OF THE NIGHT AND THAT'S CASE NUMBER 20 DASH 10. 
          LET'S GET STARTED. 
          UH, OKAY. 
          SO BEHIND ME, YOU SEE, UH, AN AERIAL MAP. 
          UH, THE SUBJECT SITE IS SURROUNDED BY SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL TOO, JUST ABOUT NORTH EAST, WEST AND SOUTH. 
          UH, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO CONSTRUCT 190 SQUARE FOOT. 
          FIRST FLOOR ADDITION TO THE EXISTING TWO STORIES, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE. 
          I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT, UM, THE EXISTING RESIDENCE IS 4,871 SQUARE FEET. 
          AND THE RESIDENTS WITH THE PROPOSED ADDITION WOULD BE 5,006 67 SQUARE FEET. 
          THE ADDITION INCLUDES REALLY AN EXTENSION TO THE FAMILY ROOM, KITCHEN, AND BREAKFAST AREA. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE THAT, UH, THAT ADDITION IS, UM, SHADED IN BLACK AND IT'S TOWARDS THE REAR OF THE HOUSE MEETS SETBACKS HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS. 
          IN FACT, AGAIN, I WANT TO REITERATE THAT THIS IS A, UH, ADDITION TO THE FIRST FLOOR AND THE HOUSE IS ALREADY AN EXISTING TWO STORIES. 
          SO, UM, SHOULDN'T INC UH, INCLUDE ANY VIEW OBSTRUCTIONS TO ANY NEIGHBORS. 
          NOW GOING THROUGH FLOOR PLAN REALLY QUICK, UH, IN RED, THERE IS JUST A, UM, UM, IT'S JUST THE, UH, SECOND FLOOR. 
          IT'S KIND OF LIKE A PATIO, SO THAT THERE'S REALLY NOTHING THERE. 
          IT'S JUST THE, THE, THE COLUMNS, UH, IN THE GREEN 
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THERE, THERE'S THE EXISTING KITCHEN DINING ROOM AREA AND LIVING ROOM AREA, UH, IN GRAY, THERE IS THE EXISTING THREE CAR GARAGE IN PURPLE. 
          THERE, WE HAVE A BEDROOM AS WELL AS A BATHROOM IN YELLOW, A DINING ROOM, UH, AGAIN IN GREEN IT'S, UH, PART OF THE EXISTING FIRST FLOOR, UH, FAMILY ROOM. 
          AND THEN THIS IS THE BREAKFAST AREA IN GREEN. 
          THAT IS EXISTING. 
          NOW THE NEXT THREE, UH, POP-UPS IN BLUE WOULD BE THE ADDITIONS. 
          UM, SO WE DO HAVE THE EXTENSION OF THE KITCHEN THERE. 
          AND THEN THAT IS THE BREAKFAST AREA. 
          LASTLY, THAT IS AN EXTENSION TO THE FAMILY ROOM. 
          AND HERE IS A CLOSE-UP, AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, THE EXTENSION OF THE KITCHEN BREAKFAST AREA AND FAMILY ROOM. 
          AND THAT IS AGAIN THE 196 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION. 
          AND FOR REFERENCE HERE'S THE SECOND FLOOR, YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF BEDROOMS AND JUST A COMMON LIVING AREA. 
          NOW THIS IS THE FRONT ELEVATION JUST FOR REFERENCE BECAUSE THERE WILL NOT BE NO ALTERATIONS TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, NO ADDITIONS WHATSOEVER SIDE ELEVATION THE WEST ELEVATION ON THE LEFT. 
          YOU CAN SEE, UM, THAT'S WHERE THE ELEVATOR, UH, THE ADDITION TO THE HOME WOULD TAKE PLACE EAST ELEVATION TO THE RIGHT. 
          AND THEN HERE, UM, IS THE REAR ELEVATION. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE YOU SEE THE, UH, ADDITIONS TO THE HOMES. 
          NOW, THE MEDIAN SIZE OF THE SURVEYED HOMES IS 4,799 SQUARE FEET. 
          THIS SURVEY HOMES RANGE FROM 2,670 SQUARE FEET TO 6,670 SQUARE FEET. 
          ALL THE LOT SIZES RANGE FROM 14,847 SQUARE FEET TO 22,583 SQUARE FEET. 
          THE PROPOSED HOUSE WITH THE ADDITIONS WOULD ONLY BE 529 FEET LARGER THAN THE AVERAGE SIZE HOME IN THE SURVEYED NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND AGAIN, I WANT TO, UH, REITERATE THAT THE, THERE ARE HOMES THAT ARE ABOUT, OR THAT ARE 6,670 SQUARE FEET WHILE THE PROPOSED HOME TONIGHT WOULD ONLY BE, UH, JUST SLIGHTLY OVER 5,000 SQUARE FEET. 
          THAT BEING SAID, UH, PLANNING STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION ADOPT RESOLUTION APPROVING CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 20 DASH 10, AND THE HOMEOWNERS ARE PRESENT HERE TONIGHT AND THE APPLIC OR THE, UM, THE ARCHITECT IS AVAILABLE THROUGH THE ZOOM MEETING. 
          I BELIEVE IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GREAT. 
          THIS SHOULD BE A, OKAY. 
          SO WE'RE GOING TO OPEN UP TO PUBLIC HEARING MEETING, AND WE WILL BE HEARING FROM TESTIMONY FROM THE APPLICANTS, THOSE IN FAVOR, AND THEN THOSE OPPOSED, I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS. 
          SO COME ON DOWN. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THE PURPOSE OF THE ADDITION IS THAT THE, UH, THE KITCHEN COMPARED TO THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE IS REALLY SMALL AND VERY TIGHT. 
          SO THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO INCREASE IT SIX FEET TO THE OUTSIDE, TO THE BACKYARD, BUT INCREASING THIS WILL AFFECT THE SYMMETRY OF THE HOUSE. 
          SO WE HAD TO GO OUT WITH THE FAMILY ROOM AND THE BREAKFAST AREA TOO. 
          SO THAT'S THE MAIN REASON. 
          THE KITCHEN IS REALLY, REALLY SMALL COMPARED TO THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE AND REGARDING THE SIZE OF OUR NEIGHBORS. 
          OUR NEIGHBOR ON THE LEFT IS 6,500 SQUARE FEET. 
          AND ON THE RIGHT IS ABOUT 5,700 SQUARE FEET. 
          SO STILL WE ARE SMALLER THAN OUR TWO NEIGHBORS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYONE ELSE IN FAVOR THAT LIKE TO, IF NOT, THEN I'M GOING TO ASK ANYONE WHO OPPOSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ANYONE AT ALL IN THE ROOM. 
          HI. 
          OKAY. 
          IF NOT, I'M GONNA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO REBUT WHAT YOU JUST SAID? IF NOT, WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING 
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AND WE'RE GOING TO OPEN UP FOR COMMISSION DISCUSSION. 
          ANYONE LIKE TO GO, OR JUST LIKE TO APPROVE THIS, YOU KNOW WHAT, LET ME JUST, LET ME JUST WHILE YOU'RE STANDING, LET ME TELL YOU, YOU HAVE A BEAUTIFUL HOME OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, AND YOU'RE ALSO DOING SOMETHING LOOKS LIKE ON THIS, ON THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE BALCONY. 
          THERE THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON IN THAT ROOM, BUT THAT'S INSIDE. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE ANYWAY, LIKE SOMEBODY, IT WAS TWO TRUCKS IN THE DRIVEWAY AND PEOPLE WERE WORKING ON SOMETHING. 
          WE HAD JUST REMOVING THE CARPET. 
          OKAY. 
          I MEAN, IT WASN'T ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS, SO THAT'S FINE. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          OH, YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S NOT, YOUR HOUSE IS JUST GORGEOUS. 
          SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AND, UH, UNLIKE THE LAST ITEM, THIS ONE IS A SLAM DUNK IN MY VIEW. 
          I MEAN, YOU'RE ADDING 196 SQUARE FOOT TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE WORK TO ADD ONTO YOUR KITCHEN. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO COMPLICATE IT ANYMORE. 
          I'M GOING TO MOVE THAT WE OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          WE HAVE A SECOND. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND MOTION? I'LL SECOND IT, OKAY. 
          SO WE HAVE A FIRST AND WE HAVE A SECOND. 
          WOULD YOU LIKE A THIRD? OKAY. 
          UM, GIVE US THE NUMBERS SOUTH TO BEADS RESOLUTION NUMBER. 
          MARK. 
          CAN YOU GIVE US A ROLL CALL? IT RESOLUTION NUMBER IS, UM, 20 DASH SIX ZERO FOUR NINE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY, UH, COMMISSIONER RED HOLTZ. 
          AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HOC IS, UH, WITH THAT, UH, ROLL CALL. 
          I WILL, UH, VICE-CHAIR HOLTZ. 
          WAIT, DONE EMOTIONALLY. 
          ARE YOU FOR IT OR AGAINST? HI IT, COMMISSIONER HAKA. 
          AS I MENTIONED, OUR KENNEDY MISSION OR RED HOLT'S I AND CHAIR HANG AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO, CONGRATULATIONS. 
          SORRY. 
          YOU HAD TO WAIT SO LONG. 
          WE SHOULD HAVE MOVED THAT ONE TO THE TOP AS WELL, BUT I WOULDN'T MIND VISITING THAT HOUSE TOO. 
          IF WE'RE GOING TO GO VISIT HOUSE, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD, BEAUTIFUL HOUSE. 
          SO WE HAVE A NON-HEARING ITEMS, WHICH I BELIEVE WE DID THAT. 
          WE MOVE IT TO THE FIRST ITEM TONIGHT, 
          [COMMISSION REPORTS/COMMENTS AND MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS]
COMMISSIONED REPORTS, COMMENTS, AND MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS, BUT ANY COMMISSIONERS LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT OF REPORTS? OKAY. 
          I HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. 
          UH, FIRST OFF, YOU KNOW, WE HAD, UH, WE HAD AN ELECTION IN THIS CITY A WEEK AGO AND, UH, SOME INTERESTING RESULTS, YOU KNOW, ARRIVED AT THAT. 
          AND I JUST WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK, UH, THE TWO COMMISSIONERS, THE TWO COMMISSIONERS, THE TWO, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT, UH, WERE NOT RETURNED TO OFFICE. 
          ONE OF WHICH IS, UH, MY FRIEND FOR MANY YEARS, LLOYD JOHNSON. 
          I JUST WANT TO THANK HIM FOR HIS, UH, MANY YEARS, FIVE YEARS OF SERVICE TO THE CITY COUNCIL, INCLUDING ONE YEAR AS MAYOR. 
          YOU KNOW, HE DID A GREAT JOB AND HE'S BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS CITY FOR DECADES, AND I'M SURE HE WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO. 
          AND, UH, I APPRECIATE HIS, HIS SERVICE ON THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          SO I JUST WANT TO GET THAT OUT THERE. 
          AND I ALSO WANT TO THANK, UH, THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBER WHO WAS DEFEATED, JESSICA SHOEMAKER, WHO WAS APPOINTED TO THE COUNCIL. 
          AND IN MY VIEW, DID A TREMENDOUS JOB, YOU KNOW, ALWAYS PREPARED, NOT AFRAID TO CHALLENGE HER, HER FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS AND STAFF WHEN NECESSARY. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK SHE DID A GOOD JOB AND, AND SHE'LL BE MISSED. 
          I ALSO WANT TO FLIP THE PAGE AND WELCOME THE TWO NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, BRIAN TO BUY, TO BUY WHO I DON'T KNOW VERY WELL, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, HE WON, YOU KNOW, THE ELECTION FAIR AND SQUARE AS THEY SAY. 
          AND, UH, I LOOK FORWARD TO, UH, TO HIM BEING ON THE COUNCIL AND I ALSO WANT TO WELCOME AND CONGRATULATE THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          UM, WAS IT, UH, UH, ROSARIO DIAZ WHO, UH, WAS THE VICTOR IN, UH, DISTRICT THREE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, UH, THE CITY HAS A LOT OF ISSUES GOING FORWARD AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO, UH, THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS AND I WANT THEM TO SUCCEED BECAUSE IF THEY SUCCEED, THEN WE ALL SUCCEED. 
          AND THE CITY SUCCEEDS, UH, I HAVE ANOTHER ANNOUNCEMENT TO MAKE THAT, UH, WE HAVE A NEW BUSINESS COMING INTO THE CITY OF WEST COVINA FLOOR AND DECOR, WHICH IS REPLACING THE, UH, KMART AT THAT SITE. 
          THEY TOOK THAT, THAT, UH, BUILDING AND RE-IMAGINED IT AND REPURPOSED IT. 
          AND THEY'VE BEEN DOING, THEY'RE HAVING A HEAVY ADVERTISING CAMPAIGN FOR THAT STORE, BOTH ON RADIO AND TELEVISION, A LOT OF ROTATION ON THAT AD. 
          AND THAT IS OPENING ON NOVEMBER 12TH. 
          AND I GUESS THEY'RE JUST UNLOCKING THE DOOR CAUSE WE HAVEN'T BEEN GIVEN ANY NOTIFICATION TO 
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COME BY AND WITH BALLOONS OR ANYTHING. 
          SO I GUESS THEY'RE JUST GONNA OPEN UP A, BUT WE WELCOME THEM. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE IN A, YOU KNOW, THE ECONOMY IS WHAT IT IS AND WE'RE GOING TO COPE IN SITUATION. 
          I MEAN, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE COMING FORWARD WITH A BRAND NEW BUSINESS AND IT'S EXCITING. 
          IT'S GOING TO, THEY'RE GOING TO EMPLOY A LOT OF PEOPLE. 
          I THINK A LOT OF WEST COVINA RESIDENTS AND THEY'RE GOING TO ADD TO OUR TAX BASE. 
          SO BY GOLLY, WE NEED THAT. 
          AND, UH, ONE OTHER THING, UH, STARTING TOMORROW, UH, EVERY YEAR OVER IN COVINA AT THE, UH, SIERRA, WHAT'S IT CALLED? SIERRA VISTA SCHOOL, MIDDLE SCHOOL, THEY HAVE THE, UH, WHAT'S IT CALLED FIELD OF VALOR OVER THERE. 
          AND, UH, IT'S GOING TO OPEN TOMORROW ON VETERANS DAY. 
          THERE'S HUNDREDS OF FLAGS, MAYBE THOUSANDS OF FLAGS ON DISPLAY. 
          AND IT'S REALLY SOMETHING TO SEE IT REALLY, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IT GIVES YOU A GOOD FEELING TO SEE ALL THOSE FLAGS THAT HONORS THE VETERANS, WHICH IS WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT. 
          AND THAT IS STARTING TOMORROW. 
          AND I THINK IT RUNS FOR, I DON'T KNOW, A WEEK, I'M NOT SURE, BUT THERE'S AN OPENING CEREMONY TOMORROW AT 11. 
          AND THEN I THINK THERE'S A CLOSING CEREMONY ON SATURDAY AND THE CLOSING SPEAKER IS GOING TO BE OUR COUNCILMAN LLOYD JOHNSON, WHO IS A, YOU KNOW, A WOUNDED MARINE CORPS, A PURPLE HEART RECIPIENT. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD JUST RECOMMEND, AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENTS GO OUT THERE AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND, UH, YOU KNOW, SEE WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT AND MAYBE GO SATURDAY AND HERE COUNCILMAN JOHNSON, CAUSE HE'S, UH, HE'S GOT SOME GOOD, UH, YOU KNOW, STORIES HE TELLS FROM HIS, UH, EXPERIENCE IN VIETNAM. 
          AND, UH, THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO ADD? UH, YES, JUST A COUPLE NOTES, JUST TO ADD TO, UH, THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU KIND OF TOOK A LITTLE, UH, UM, WENT OUT OF MY SAILS. 
          I WAS GOING TO MENTION, GO FOR VALOR. 
          CAUSE, UH, WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT IN MY ROTARY MEETING THIS MORNING. 
          SO, UM, BUT I'D ALSO LIKE TO MENTION, UH, THAT, UH, WE'RE HOLDING THIS MEETING TODAY ON NOVEMBER 10TH, WHICH IS, UH, THE BIRTHDAY OF THE UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS MORE IN THIS DAY IN NOVEMBER 10TH IN 1775 IN 10 TAVERN PHILADELPHIA. 
          SO, UH, UH, WE MARINES, UH, LIKE, UH, MYSELF AND COMMISSIONER KENNEDY LIKED TO SAY THE MARINE CORPS IS BORN IN A BAR. 
          SO, UM, SO HAPPY BIRTHDAY OUT THERE, TALL FELLOW MARINES. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          THANK YOU FOR BOTH THE REPORTS, ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. 
          [7. COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR'S REPORT]
UM, SO, BUT MOVING ON TO COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR'S REPORT. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MADAM CHAIR. 
          UM, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST BRIEFLY FOLLOW UP ON WHAT A COMMISSIONER RED HOLT SAID ABOUT THE GRAND OPENING FOR FLOOR AND DECOR. 
          UM, THAT IS, IT MAY OPEN THIS THURSDAY. 
          IT MAY OPEN NEXT THURSDAY. 
          UH, I KNOW THEY'VE DONE SOME ADVERTISING, BUT, UM, THERE, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME, UH, LAST MINUTE ISSUES THAT, UH, THEY'RE WORKING ON. 
          SO, UM, OPENING DATA IS STILL TO BE DETERMINED, UH, WITH THAT. 
          UM, I'LL VERY BRIEFLY GO OVER THE NEXT FEW, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS. 
          UH, THE COMMISSION IS GOING TO BE MEETING A SECOND TIME THIS MONTH ON NOVEMBER 24TH. 
          STILL WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A QUORUM FOR THAT MEETING. 
          UM, AND, UH, WE HAVE TWO ITEMS THAT ARE NOTICED. 
          UH, ONE IS A NEW, UH, RETAIL, UH, SHOPPING CENTER WITH A GROCERY ANCHOR ANCHOR ON GARRI AVENUE AND THEN A NEW, UH, ELECTRONIC READER BOARD SIGN, UH, UH, ON GARVEY AVENUE AS WELL, OR DECEMBER 8TH. 
          UH, WE HAVE, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING THAT WAS CONTINUED FROM THIS EVENING, UH, ON HOLLAND CRUST, UH, ALONG WITH, UH, THREE OTHER, EXCUSE ME, TWO OTHER PUBLIC HEARINGS, UM, AND THE, UH, ADU ORDINANCE, UH, ASSUMING THAT WE HAVE FINAL COMMENTS BACK FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO THE DECEMBER 8TH MEETING WILL BE A VERY, UH, FULL AGENDA AT NIGHT, UH, WITH THAT, UH, THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT. 
          IF I MAY, UM, CHAIR, I I'D LIKE TO MENTION THAT ON NOVEMBER 16TH, THE QUEEN OF THE VALLEY IS OUR EMINENT HEALTH IS HOLDING A, A VIRTUAL PUBLIC COMMUNITY MEETING REGARDING THEIR, THE PROPOSED MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING AND ALSO PARKING STRUCTURE. 
          IN ADDITION TO 
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THE HOSPITAL BUILDING ON NOVEMBER 16TH, STAFF DID FORWARD THE INVITATION TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION THROUGH EMAIL, IF YOU'D LIKE INFORMATION ON HOW TO ATTEND THE VIRTUAL MEETING. 
          UH, I, UM, IF YOU CAN, UM, GET IN TOUCH WITH ME AND LET ME KNOW, AND I'LL GO AHEAD AND FORWARD YOU, THE, THE LINK, I THINK YOU IS UP A PUBLIC, UH, IS IT OPEN UP TO THE PUBLIC AS WELL? IT WAS THE NOTICE FOR THE, FOR THE VIRTUAL MEETING WAS SET, WAS SENT OUT TO ALL PROP, ALL PROP, ALL ADJACENT PROPERTIES WITHIN THE NOTIFICATION RADIUS. 
          AND BASICALLY THE NOTICE STATES STATES THAT IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO ATTEND THE VIRTUAL MEETING TO CON TO CONTACT THE APPLICANT, TO RSVP SO THAT THEY CAN EMAIL THE LINK TO THE VIRTUAL MEETING. 
          SO WONDERFUL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          [8. CITY COUNCIL ACTION]
MADAM CHAIR, MR. PERSICO, COULD YOU ADDRESS CITY COUNCIL ACTION? I DON'T THINK YOU'VE TOUCHED ON THAT SINCE THE LAST MEETING. 
          UM, I DID NOT. 
          UM, I'M SORRY. 
          I'M TRYING TO RECALL. 
          IT WAS THE GAS STATIONS, I BELIEVE. 
          I DON'T THINK WE'VE HAD THAT. 
          UH, YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, THE ITEM REGARDING THAT, THE PLANNING COMMISSION SAW THE ZONING CODE AMENDMENT TO ALLOW, UH, BEER AND WINE SALES AT GAS STATIONS. 
          UH, THE CITY COUNCIL DID DISCUSS THAT ITEM. 
          UH, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS THAT, UH, COUNCIL ASKED, UH, STAFF TO INVESTIGATE. 
          UM, A NEW HEARING DATE HAS NOT YET BEEN SET FOR THAT, UH, CODE AMENDMENT. 
          UM, SO, UH, STAFF IS GATHERING THE INFORMATION, BUT NO HEARING DATE HAS BEEN SET. 
          UH, THE, A NEW NOTICE IF THAT ITEM DOES OR WHEN THAT ITEM DOES COME FORWARD TO THE COUNCIL, THAT WOULD REQUIRE A NEW PART, A B SET. 
          RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND SINCE THERE'S NO FURTHER BUSINESS TO CONSIDER THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED AT OH 10 18 NINE 18 BLOCK IS STILL ON DAYLIGHT SAVINGS. 
          NINE 18. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU EVERYONE.
* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.