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[CALL TO ORDER]
PLANNING.UM, WELCOME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSIONS FOR OCTOBER 13, 2020.
UM, IT'S CALLED TO ORDER AT SEVEN OH FIVE.
UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE THEN I'M GOING TO DO A PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND THEN WE HAVE TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING.
THE FIRST ONE IS, UM, TONY BLAKELY AND IN THE MENTAL HEALTH.
AND THE SECOND ONE IS 16, 15 CAMBRIDGE COURT.
AND GLENN KENNEDY IS GOING TO HELP US START WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
YES, VICE-CHAIR HOLT, ABSENT A COMMISSIONER HOC.
HEZ ABSENT COMMISSIONER KENNEDY, COMMISSIONER RED HOLDS HERE AND CHAIR, HANG HERE.
[1. Regular meeting, September 22, 2020]
UM, FOR PUPIL OF MINUTE, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CHANGES TO THE MINUTES OF SEPTEMBER 22ND, 2020 SEEING NONE THE MINUTES OF THE 22ND, 2020, ALL APPROVED AS SUBMITTED.THEN WE HAVE ORAL COMMUNICATION.
THIS IS THE TIME WHEN ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC MAY SPEAK TO THE COMMISSION ON ANY MATTER WITHIN THE SCOPE OF DUTIES, ASSIGNED TO THE COMMISSION RELATED TO NON AGENDIZE OR CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS. OTHER ITEMS, INCLUDING ON THIS AGENDA MAY BE ADDRESSED WHEN THAT ITEM IS UNDER CONSIDERATIONS FOR ALL ORAL COMMUNICATIONS, THE CHAIR PERSONS MAY IMPOSE REASONABLE LIMITATIONS OF PUBLIC COMMENTS TO ASSURE AN ORDERLY AND TIMELY MANNER.
THE ROUGH BROWN ACT LIMITS THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF'S ABILITY TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS MEETING.
THAT'S YOUR COMMENT MAY BE AGENDIZED FOR FUTURE MEETING OR REFER TO STAFF.
THE COMMISSION MAY ASK QUESTIONS OR CLARIFICATION IF YOU DESIRE AT THIS TIME, MY POLICY OF THE COMMISSION ORAL COMMUNICATION AT THIS TIME ON THE AGENDA IS LIMITED TO A TOTAL OF 15 MINUTES.
PERSONS WHO ARE NOT AFFORDED THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME MAY DO SO CONTINUATION OF ORAL COMMUNICATION IS LATER ON THE AGENDA.
YOU DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS, SO NO ONE COMES FORWARD TO THE PUBLIC COMMUNITY.
THERE ARE NO PUBLIC SPEAKER CARDS, ADAM, THANK YOU.
[2. PRECISE PLAN NO. 20-05]
SO WE CAN OPEN THIS TO PUBLIC HEARING.AND, UM, THIS IS ON THE NORTHEAST FOR THE PARKING LOT, WHICH IS THE ON THE NORTH EAST CORNER OF 1115 SOUTH SUNSET AVENUE, FORMER CENTER, FIELD PARK SITE, AND, UM, WHO WILL PRESENT THIS ITEM? GOOD EVENING CHAIR.
I WILL BE PRESENTING THIS ITEM.
I'LL GO AHEAD AND START OFF WITH THE PRESENTATION AND ONE GOOD MORNING.
ON A ROLLED CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, ALSO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
YEAH, THE PROJECT SITE IS A ONE 146,490 SQUARE FOOT PARCEL LOCATED ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE QUEEN OF THE VALLEY HOSPITAL CAMPUS, SOUTH OF THE WALNUT CREEK WASH.
THIS WAS THE FORMER CENSORED FIELD PARK AND HERE IS A PHOTOGRAPH OF THE CURRENT SITE.
UM, I'LL GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE ON WITH A BIT BIT OF HISTORY REGARDING THE SITE.
THE ORIGINAL SPECIFIC PLAN WAS APPROVED OR ADOPTED ON APRIL 15TH, 1987.
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THIS ALLOWED FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE VALLEY MORE IN FAMILY BIRTH AND NEWBORN CENTER, WHICH WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 2000 ON NOVEMBER 8TH, 2016, THE CITY HELD A SPECIAL MUNICIPAL ELECTION WHERE 68.5% OF THE VOTERS VOTED TO SELL SENSE THAT FIELD WITH THE PROCEEDS, GOING TO THE CITY PARK FUND THE CITY ON EVERY 19, 2019, THE CITY AND APPROVED THE ZONE CHANGE TO CHANGE THE ZONING OF CENSUS FIELD FROM MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO A SPECIFIC PLAN.THIS, THEY ALSO ADOPTED THE NEW QUEEN OF THE VALLEY HOSPITAL SPECIFIC PLAN, WHICH ALLOWS FOR THE HOSPITAL'S FUTURE EXPANSION TO ADD APPROXIMATELY 490,000 SQUARE FEET OF DEVELOPMENT ON THE SITE YEAR IS THE SITE'S PLAN FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PARKING LOT.
A TOTAL OF 403 PARKING SPACES WILL BE ADDED, WHICH WOULD CONSIST OF COMPACT PARKING SPACES, WHICH ARE LOCATED OR PROPOSED ALONG THE SECOND ROW ALONG THIS AREA WHERE THE POINTER IS POINTING ON, ON THE PROJECTOR ELECTRIC VEHICLE PARKING, WHICH IS THE TOP THE ROW OF PARKING AT THE NORTH SIDE OR AT THE, AT THE VERY TOP OF THE SITE PLAN, AS I'M POINTING OUT ON THE PROJECT.
AND THERE WOULD ALSO BE IN THE REST OF THE PARKING SPACE OF WHAT WOULD BE STANDARD IT IN HALF BY 18 FEET PARKING SPACES, AN EIGHT FOOT TALL WALL WILL BE CONSTRUCTED ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY ON THE NORTH AND EAST SIDE, WHICH IS REQUIRED BY THIS PLAN, A 10 FOOT BUFFER LANDSCAPE BUFFER, 10 FOOT WHITE LANDSCAPE BUFFER IS ALSO BEING PROPOSED.
UM, AND THIS IS ALSO REQUIRED BY THE SPECIFIC PLAN.
THE PROJECT WOULD ALSO INCLUDE 2029 PARKING LOT FIXTURES THAT WILL BE DISPERSED THROUGHOUT THE LAW.
HERE IS THE, THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
LANDSCAPING WILL CONSIST OF A MIXTURE OF GROUND COVER SHRUBS AND TREES AND MAKE A MIXTURE OF 15 GALLON SIZE IN 24 IN SPOCK SIZED TREES WILL BE PLANTED FOR A TOTAL OF 41 TREES ON THE PARKING LOT SITE.
AGAIN, I'LL GO AHEAD AND POINT OUT THAT THE LANDSCAPE, THE TENT, THERE IS A 10 FOOT WIDE LANDSCAPE BUFFER THAT IS BEING PROPOSED AS REQUIRED BY THE SPECIFIC PLAN.
AND THIS WILL BE ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY ON THE NEXT SLIDE IS THE LIGHTING PLAN.
I'VE HIGHLIGHTED THE AREAS WHERE THE PROPOSED LIGHT FIXTURES WILL BE LOCATED IN THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN RED ON THE PLAN, THE LIGHT, THE TOTAL OVERALL HEIGHT FROM LOWEST ADJACENT ADJACENT GRADE, WHICH IS THE FINISHED GRADE TO THE HIGHEST POINT OF THE LIGHT FIXTURE WOULD BE 25 FEET.
HOWEVER, THERE IS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, WHICH IS CONDITIONED APPROVAL QUEUE, WHICH REQUIRES LIGHT FIXTURES CLOSEST TO THE NORTH AND EAST PROPERTY LINE, BECAUSE THESE ARE ADJACENT TO THEIR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, TO THE NORTH AND EAST TO BE REDUCED TO 20 FEET.
AND THIS IS REQUIRED BY THE SPECIFIC PLAN AS WELL.
IN, ALONG WITH THIS CONDITION, THE SAME CONDITION ALSO REQUIRES THAT A REVISED PARAMETRIC PLAN BE SUBMITTED, ENSURING THAT LIGHT, THE LIGHT WILL NOT SPILL ONTO THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.
THAT AS FAR AS THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW AND DETERMINATION IS CONCERNED, THE PROJECT IS EXEMPT FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT,
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UM, SECTION VIA SECTION ONE FIVE ONE EIGHT TWO, BECAUSE THE PROJECT IS CONSISTENT TO AN APPROVED SPECIFIC PLAN.SOMAS PREPARED THE SEQUEL CONSISTENCY EVALUATION MEMORANDUM, WHICH IS INCLUDED AS AN ATTACHMENT TO THE STAFF REPORT IN THIS CONCLUDES THAT THE PROJECT IS CONSISTENT WITH A SPECIFIC PLAN AND THAT THERE ARE NO IMPACTS THEN WHAT WAS EVALUATED IN THE CERTIFIED FINAL PROGRAM, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT.
SO MISS IT, UM, IS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS QUESTIONS REGARDING THE ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT THAT WAS PREPARED AS FAR AS LEGAL NOTICING IS CONCERNED.
UM, PUBLIC HEARING NOTICES WERE CON WERE SENT OUT TO 463 OWNERS AND OCCUPANTS OF PROPERTIES WITHIN 300 FEET OF THE PROJECT SITE AS REQUIRED BY STATE LAW.
THIS NOTICE WAS ALSO PUBLISHED IN THE NEWSPAPER AND ALSO POSTED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE WITH THIS STAFF CONCLUDES THE STAFF REPORT AND STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION ADOPT A RESOLUTION APPROVING PRECISE PLAN NUMBER 20 DASH ZERO FIVE, UM, WITH THE RECOMMENDATION STAFF IS STAFF ALSO WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT AND ASK THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO DELETE CONDITION OF HER FOR APPROVAL OF THE D, WHICH AT WHICH INCLUDES OR REQUIRES A CERTAIN DELIVERY HOURS AND CONSTRUCTION HOURS.
THESE ARE, THIS IS ALL ALREADY ADDRESSED IN THE EIR FOR THE SPECIFIC PLAN, WHICH THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH.
AND AS, AND CONDITION IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH IT.
SO STAFF WOULD LIKE THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO DELETE THIS PARTICULAR CONDITION.
AND IN ADDITION, THERE IS AN ENGINEERING CONDITION THAT REFERS TO UNDERGRAD AND GRAD UNDERGROUNDING, ALL UTILITIES STAFF WOULD JUST LIKE TO CLARIFY THAT UNDERGROUNDING OF THE UTILITIES WOULD BE, WOULD APPLY TO NEW UTILITIES FOR THIS SITE, UNDERGROUNDING EXISTING, NEW AND EXISTING UTILITIES WILL BE REQUIRED OR FOR THE FEATURE DEVELOPMENT OF THE MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING AND OTHER STRUCTURES ON THE SITE.
AGAIN, UM, STAFF WOULD LIKE TO, SO AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND ALL THAT IS THAT SO MUCH IS AVAILABLE IN AND IS PARTICIPATING THROUGH ZOOM TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW.
AND ALSO THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVES ARE ALSO PARTICIPATING THROUGH ZOOM.
SO WE'RE DELETING, YOU'D LIKE US TO DELETE DV.
IS THERE ANYTHING REPLACING THAT? DID I MISS THAT? I'M SORRY.
UM, THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY CONDITION REPLACING IT.
IT WOULD JUST BE DELETING DD BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY ADDRESSED IN THE PROJECT EIR AND AS WRITTEN, THAT PARTICULAR CONDITION IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE, WHAT IS REQUIRED IN THE EIR.
AS FAR AS THE DELIVERY OF THE EQUIPMENT AND THE TIME.
SO THIS IS REALLY, IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE THERE.
AND YOU GOT, YOU RECEIVED NO INQUIRIES AT ALL ABOUT THIS FROM ANYBODY ON THE 400.
I DID NOT RECEIVE ANY PHONE CALLS OR EMAILS OR LETTERS FROM ANYBODY.
UM, OKAY, SO WE'RE GOING TO OPEN THIS.
IF DOES ANYONE ELSE ANY QUESTIONS, IF NOT, WE'RE GOING TO OPEN IT.
THOSE TWO PUBLIC HEARING IS WE'RE GONNA BE HEARING TESTIMONY FROM APPLICANTS, THOSE IN FAVOR, THEN THOSE OPPOSED TO, WE DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS.
THERE ARE NO SPEAKER CARDS, APPLICANTS OUT HERE.
THE APPLICANT IS PARTICIPATING THROUGH ZOOM.
I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND FOR THE ONES PARTICIPATING THROUGH ZOOM, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND UNMUTE EVERYBODY AND JUST WHOEVER WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FIRST, GO AHEAD AND SPEAK.
UM, THEY'RE ALL PART OF THE APPLICANT'S TEAM.
SO DO WE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT FIRST OR? OKAY, THANK YOU.
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I UNMUTE JOANNA.I CAN SPEAK IF YOU CAN HEAR ME.
I'M A DIRECTOR OF PLANNING WITH KATIE PROJECT COORDINATOR ON BEHALF OF, UH, EMANATE HEALTH, UH, THE OWNER AND OPERATOR OF A QUEEN OF THE VALLEY HOSPITAL.
UM, I FIRST WANTED TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO THANK STAFF.
THEY'VE BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE, PROFESSIONAL AND COURTEOUS THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE, UH, PRECISE PLAN, UM, PROCESS.
UM, JOANNE GAVE A GREAT PRESENTATION, WAS VERY THOROUGH.
I DON'T REALLY HAVE THAT MUCH TO ADD TO IT.
UH, WHAT I DO WANT TO MENTION IS THAT, UH, ABOUT A YEAR AGO, WE DID COME BEFORE, UM, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND AS PART OF THE SPECIFIC PLAN, THE SPECIFIC PLAN AMENDMENT, UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE UPDATE FOR THE ENTIRE QUEEN OF THE VALLEY CAMPUS AND ASSOCIATED ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT.
UM, AND THIS, UH, APPLICATION BEFORE YOU, THIS PRECISE PLAN IS ESSENTIALLY THE INITIAL PHASE OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE, UH, BROUGHT, UH, JUST OVER A YEAR AGO TO THE COMMISSION.
UM, I DO WANT TO MENTION THAT INTENT AS PART OF THIS, UM, UH, PART AS PART OF THIS, UH, PRECISE PLAN PROCESS FOR THE PARKING LOT, UH, IS TO ENSURE THAT ELEMENTS THAT WERE, UH, IDENTIFIED AS BEING REQUIRED AS A SPECIFIC PLAN DISCUSSED AT THIS BODY, UM, OVER A YEAR AGO, THAT THOSE ARE ESSENTIALLY, UM, INCORPORATED TO, UH, PROTECT, TO PROTECT THE NEIGHBORS.
UM, THEY INCLUDE THE EIGHT FOOT TALL SOLID WALL THAT, UH, THAT JOANNE MENTIONED THE MINIMUM 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER, UM, ADJACENT TO THE APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE ANY TYPE OF SIDEWALKS OR, UH, PEDESTRIAN WALKWAYS, JUST THE LANDSCAPE AND THE WEDDING FIXTURES.
UM, AND ALSO WE AGREED, WE AGREED TO THE, UM, THE REDUCTION IN THE HEIGHT FOR THOSE LIGHT FIXTURES, UH, WITHIN CLOSE PROXIMITY, UM, TO THE APARTMENT COMPLEX, TO MINIMIZE ANY POTENTIAL, UM, IMPACTS, UH, AND ALSO THOSE LIGHTS WILL BE SHIELDED, UH, AS NEEDED.
UH, SO LIGHT DOES NOT SPILL ON TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.
UM, I DID HEAR, UH, UH, SOMETHING ABOUT THE, UM, THE CONDITION DEEDEE AND, UM, THE, THE INTENT OF IT IS, UH, WE WANT IT TO BE ESSENTIALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING, UH, NOISE ORDINANCE, UH, THE CITY'S NOISE ORDINANCE.
SO THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE AN OPTION AS WELL, TOO.
IT'S NOT, UM, IT'S, IT'S JUST NOT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE PREVIOUS, UH, EIR, UM, OTHER THAN, OTHER THAN THAT, AND THE CONDITIONS, UH, JOANNE MENTIONED, UH, WE'RE IN FULL SUPPORT OF THE CONDITIONS AS WRITTEN AND AGREED TO THEM.
UM, AND WE ALSO HAVE TONY BLAKELY OF EMANATE HEALTH AS WELL AS, UH, JAYLEE, WILLIAMSON AND BOB TILL OFFICE OF, UH, THE CIVIL ENGINEERING FIRM AVAILABLE.
SHOULD THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSION GLENN KENNEDY HERE.
UM, LAST TIME WE WERE HERE LAST YEAR, UM, A LOT OF RESIDENTS WERE HERE FROM THE TORREY PINES AND I DON'T KNOW, THEY DIDN'T COME TONIGHT.
UM, I STILL HAVE THE SAME ISSUE I HAD A YEAR AGO.
UM, SO WHEN SOMEBODY OPENS THEIR WINDOW, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE LOOKING AT A CONCRETE WALL, CORRECT.
YOU'RE NOT OBSTRUCTING ANYBODY'S VIEW.
I COULDN'T, I COULDN'T HEAR HER.
I SAY WHEN I'M, UM, THE RESIDENTS THERE AT TUTORIAL PINE APARTMENTS, UM, WITH THIS COMING UP, UH, GOING UP SO MANY FEET, UH, WHEN THEY OPENED THEIR WINDOW, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE LOOKING AT A CONCRETE WALK, CORRECT.
YOU'RE NOT OBSTRUCTING ANYBODY'S VIEW.
SO THIS IS, YEAH, THIS IS, YEAH, THAT SAYS THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN.
SO JUST TO, JUST TO STATE THAT, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WANTED TO ENSURE THAT THE, UM, UH, THAT WHEN THE RESIDENTS LOOK OUT, LOOK OUT THE WINDOW, THEY'RE NOT LOOKING ESSENTIALLY KIND OF AT A CONCRETE AT A CONCRETE, UH, AT A CONCRETE WALK.
UM, I KNOW THAT THE WAY THAT THE, UH, THE EXISTING APARTMENT HOMES ARE ORIENTED, THEIR GARAGES ARE ORIENTED, UM, ALONG THE SOUTHERN EDGE OF THE PARKING LOT, AS WELL AS, AS WELL AS THE WESTERN EDGE.
SO THERE WILL BE, UH, UH, THERE WILL BE THOSE PARKING AREAS AND THOSE, UH, CAR PORTS THAT ESSENTIALLY, UM, WILL BE, UM, WILL BE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE WALL.
AND THEN THERE'LL BE THE EIGHT FOOT TALL WALL IN ADDITION
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TO LANDSCAPING, LANDSCAPING THE PARKING, AND THERE'LL BE NO WALKWAYS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT WITH THEM VIA THE LANDSCAPE AREA.HI, THIS IS COMMISSIONER RED HOLT.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE ARE YOU KEEPING THOSE, THE TORREY PINES PEOPLE, ARE YOU KEEPING THEM INFORMED AS TO, UH, THE PROGRESS AND WHAT THE PLANS ARE? ARE THEY IN THE LOOP ON THIS? YES, IT'S.
UM, AS WE'VE, UH, WE'RE ACTUALLY PLANNING AFTER THIS PLANNING COMMISSION PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, WE'RE GOING TO BE REACHING OUT TO ALL THE NEIGHBORS AND CONDUCTING A, UM, CONDUCTING AN OUTREACH AND OUTREACH MEETING PRIOR TO THE, ESSENTIALLY THE NEXT, UM, THE NEXT PHASE, WHICH INCLUDES THE, UM, THE, UH, MEDICAL OFFICE, A MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING, AND IN ADDITION TO ANOTHER WING OF THE HOSPITAL.
AND SO WE PLAN TO, WE PLAN TO DO THAT WITHIN, WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH.
SO THIS, THIS PARKING LOT IS JUST THE FIRST PART OF THE SPECIFIC PLAN.
AND AS YOU GO FORWARD, THE NEXT PHASE IS THE MEDICAL BUILDING MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING.
THIS, THIS IS THE INITIAL, THE INITIAL PART, ESSENTIALLY THE MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING, UM, AND THE ADDITION, WHICH WILL BE THE EMERGENCY ROOM AND, UM, INTENSIVE CARE UNIT, UM, ADDITION WE'LL EAT, UH, WE'LL TAKE UP SOME OF THE EXISTING PARKING SPACE.
SO THE INTENT IS TO GET THIS PARKING LOT ONLINE SO THAT THERE ARE NO PARKING IMPACTS TO OUR NEIGHBORS.
THIS IS SHEENA WITH, UM, I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION, THOUGH, REGARDING THE PARKING YOU'RE PLANNING TO, IN TERMS OF TIMELINE WISE, YOU'RE PLANNING TO BUILD THE PARKING LOT FIRST, THEN TAKE IT ALL AND THEN BE BUILT THE EMERGENCY BUILDING OFFICE.
IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? YES, THAT IS, THAT IS CORRECT.
THE, UH, THE INTENT IS FOR THIS PARKING LOT TO, TO BE, UH, UM, AVAILABLE FOR, FOR USE FOR THE HOSPITAL PRIOR TO ANY TYPE OF, UM, REMOVAL OF THE, UM, UH, OF THE OTHER, UM, PARKING SPACE FOR THE OTHER FACILITIES.
SO FOR THIS PARKING LOT PLAN PRONOUNCED, WE HAVE NOT, OR YOU HAVE NOT DONE ANY OUTREACH TO THE RESIDENTS BESIDES THIS MEETING.
WE HAVE NOT DONE, WE HAVE NOT DONE ANY OUTREACH.
UM, THE, THE INTENT WAS, UM, THAT THIS WAS, THIS WAS THE INITIAL PHASE WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO, WE WERE TRYING TO GET OUR PLANS TOGETHER A FEW MONTHS AGO.
UM, AND CONSIDERING WHEN WE TAKE COUNCIL A YEAR AGO, WE FELT THAT A YEAR TIME IN EARLY NOVEMBER IS A GOOD TIME TO UPDATE ON ALL THE COMPONENTS BEFORE THE CONSTRUCTION BEGINS ON THE PARKING LOT.
AND AS WELL AS THE OTHER COMPONENTS, UM, THE OTHER COMPONENTS OF MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING AND THE ADDITION ARE BROUGHT FORWARD, UH, OUR, UM, WE'RE REACHING OUT TO THOSE NEIGHBORS PRIOR TO THOSE ITEMS COMING BEFORE THE COMMISSION.
IF I MAY, THE, UM, WE DID SEND OUT NOTIFICATION TO THE OWNERSHIP OF TORREY PINES AND THE RESIDENTS OF TORREY PINES AS WELL.
YEAH, I COULD, IF I MAY JUST ADD ONE THING WHEN THE PROJECT WAS FIRST IN ITS PROPOSAL STAGE, THEY DID REACH OUT.
THEY HAD A MEETING AT THE, UH, AT THE QUEEN OF THE VALLEY SITE AND ONE OF THEIR SMALLER, YOU KNOW, CONFERENCE ROOMS THEY'RE INTRODUCED TO THIS PROJECT AND THE TORREY PINES PEOPLE, AND THE OTHER NEIGHBORS WERE IN ATTENDANCE.
THAT'S WHERE THAT ORIGINAL INTRODUCTIONS WERE WERE, WERE MET BY THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE EFFECTED PEOPLE THEY WERE THERE.
SO THIS IS NOT AS FAR AS I KNOW THIS IS, YOU KNOW, TORREY PINES, BUT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S JUST DROPPING ON THEIR LAPS.
THEY WERE THERE AND THEY'RE WELL AWARE OF THIS PROJECT IS HAPPENING.
AND THEY SAW THE PHASING THAT WAS PRESENTED THAT NIGHT.
SO THEY'RE THERE, THEY'RE IN THE LOOP.
I ALSO LIKE TO GO BACK TO THE PLANT CAN JOIN.
CAN YOU PULL OUT THE PLAN OFF THE PARKING LOT ON ME? THANK YOU.
SO ON THE EAST SIDE WHERE THE, THE RED LINE STRONG EAST AND NORTH SIDE OF THE, UM, PARKING LOT, AND THEN THERE'S A 10 FEET CHURCH, BECAUSE CURRENTLY THE ONLY NEIGHBORS WAS JUST ACROSS FROM THAT PARTICULAR AREA.
IS THERE ANY WAY THAT YOU CAN PLANT MORE TREES ALONG THOSE SIDES? AND DO YOU GUYS HAVE A PHOTOS PHOTO SIM SO THAT WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT TO SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE? UH, THE FIRST PART OF THE FIRST PART OF THE QUESTION I HEARD WAS, UM, WAS IT ABOUT PLANTING ADDITIONAL TREES? AND THE SECOND PART WAS POS, UM, WAS THAT SIMULATIONS,
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WAS THAT, WAS THAT WHAT I CORRECT? BECAUSE WHERE I'M GETTING AT RIGHT NOW IS THAT, UM, THE CURRENT NEIGHBORS, THE APARTMENT UNITS OR THE TOILET FINE APARTMENT TENANTS IS USED TO SEEING A PARK.AND NOW THAT THERE'S A PARKING LOT WITH LIGHTS, MAYBE PERHAPS THE TREES ALONG THAT SIDE CAN BLOCK UP SOME OF THE LIGHTS THAT'S COMING THROUGH.
CAUSE I DON'T KNOW, I BELIEVE THE HOURS FOR THE PARKING LOT IS 24 SEVEN.
AND, UH, DEFINITELY WE CAN, UH, THE INTENT, THE INTENT WAS TO PLANT, TO PLANT SHRUBS THERE, BUT WE DEFINITELY CAN.
UM, WE DEFINITELY CAN ADD TREES ALONG, ALONG THAT BUFFER.
UM, THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UM, ANY PHOTO SIMULATIONS, UM, THAT WE CAN, THAT WE CAN OFFER OVER THERE.
BUT HOWEVER, A LOT OF THOSE, THERE ARE, UM, CONSIDERABLE, A NUMBER OF TREES.
UM, AND ONE OF THEM WAS IN THE PICTURE THAT, UM, THAT JOANNE SHOWED US AS PART OF THE PRESENT OVERALL PRESENTATION.
THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT TREE BOUNDARY, UM, THAT EXISTED, UH, ON, UH, BOTH THE PARK SITE, AS WELL AS ON THE TORY PINE SITE.
AND THOSE TREES THAT ARE GOING TO BE ON THE TORI, UH, THE TORY PINE SITES WILL, WILL BE, UH, REMAINING.
SO NONE OF THOSE EXISTING TREES WILL BE REMAINING.
CAN YOU PULL OUT THE TREE? UM, THOSE CHEAPER WE REMAINING OH, WILL BE BE MOVED IF THEY MAKE JOHN.
CAN, UM, CAN YOU SEE THE PHOTOGRAPH, UM, ON, ON THE SCREEN, I CAN, UH, THAT ONE TR THERE'S I'M LOOKING AT LOOKING AT IT COMBINED WITH THE, ON THE SITE PLAN AND ALONG THE SITE PLAN, IT DOES IDENTIFY, IT DOES CALL OUT ROUGHLY, UM, EIGHT TREES THAT EXIST ALONG THE, UH, THAT WOULD BE THE NORTHEASTERN, THE SHORTER PROPERTY LINE.
THAT WILL BE, THAT WILL BE REMAINING AS WELL AS PROBABLY NEARLY A DOZEN OR SO.
LET'S SAY FIVE, ROUGHLY, PROBABLY ABOUT A DOZEN TREES ALONG THE LONG PROPERTY LINE.
THAT WOULD ALSO BE, UH, THAT WILL ALSO REMAIN.
IF I MAKE I'M CHAIR, THE AREA ALONG HERE CALLS OUT EXTRA EXISTING TREES TO REMAIN AND ALSO ALONG THIS AREA AS WELL.
SO THERE ARE QUITE A FEW GOOD SIZED TREES THAT WILL BE, BE MOVED FROM ALONG THAT SIDE OF THE WALL.
THERE ARE TREES THAT ARE THERE THAT ARE PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED, AND THEY'RE ALSO TREES THAT ARE EXISTING TREES THAT, THAT ARE PROPOSED TO BE, TO REMAIN.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NOT WE'RE GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE ONE HERE.
DOES ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? IT WAS A POST.
ANYONE HERE? DO WE HAVE ANYONE ON ZOOM, ONE PHONE CALL, JOANNE.
IT DOES NOT SEEM LIKE ANYBODY ELSE IN ZOOM WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.
THEY'RE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
SO WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND, UM, OPEN THE COMMISSION DISCUSSIONS.
WELL, I MEAN, THIS IS A, AS WE DISCUSSED DURING THE PRESENTATION, THIS IS REALLY THE FIRST, THIS IS THE STARTING POINT OF THE SPECIFIC WHEN WE ADOPTED A SPECIFIC PLAN FOR THIS PROJECT.
SO I THINK IT'S A PARKING LOT.
WE'VE GOT TO START IT OFF AND I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE IT.
WELL, WE LIKE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION FIRST.
I ACTUALLY IS NOT VERY COMFORTABLE,
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ESPECIALLY ON THE BUFFER WALL AREA WHERE THE RED LINE FOR THE WALL AND THE NORTH SIDE AND THE, UM, THE EAST SIDE OF THE PARKING LOT.I KNOW IT'S A PARKING LOT, BUT WE CAN MAKE IT, FOR EXAMPLE, SOME OF THE TREES HAVE BEEN BE MOVED THE QUITE MATURE TREES AS THE PHOTO THAT SHOWS.
SO I LIKE TO SEE IF HE CAN INCORPORATE MORE TREES, MORE MATURE TREES, THAT IT CAN GROW IN THAT AREA TO BUFFER THE LIGHTS FROM THE PARKING LOT.
AND ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, IT MAKES IT KEEP, IT CONTINUED THAT THE GREEN POSSIBLE ON, ON, IN, INSIDE THE PARKING LOT AS WELL.
THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING FOR FULL SIM SO THAT WE CAN SEE VISUALLY WHAT THE WHOLE PARKING LOT IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE.
YOU CAN, YOU CAN HAVE PARKING LOT DESIGNS.
WE CAN REQUEST FOR MORE TREES.
I LIKE TO SEE THAT COMMISSIONER GLENN KENNEDY.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? YOU KNOW, I HAVE A LOT OF HARD FEELINGS.
UM, I FOUGHT THAT VERY, VERY VICIOUSLY, UM, SAY ALL OF THAT, THAT WAS A LITTLE LEAGUE THAT'S PARKLAND THAT WE CAN NEVER GET BACK, BUT THE RESIDENTS SPOKE AND HOWEVER, AND I'M NOT GONNA STAND IN THE WAY OF PROGRESS, SO I'M READY TO MOVE ON.
AND, UH, THE GENTLEMEN ADDRESSED ALL MY CONCERNS ABOUT A OBSTRUCTION, AS LONG AS NONE OF THE RESIDENTS IN THE TORREY PINES HAVE BEEN OBSTRUCTED.
SO, UH, WITH THAT, UH, I'LL, UH, I'LL SECOND HER'S MOTION.
I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT, UM, REGARDING THE, UH, LIGHT ISSUE.
THERE ARE TWO CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL ON PAGE FIVE OF THE RESOLUTION.
UM, AS JOANNE NOTED IN HER PRESENTATION, THE LIGHTING HEIGHT, UH, THAT LIGHT STANDARDS NEED TO BE REDUCED IN HEIGHT TO 20 FEET, UM, ALONG THE NORTH AND EAST PROPERTY LINE.
AND THERE THEY ARE REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH THE CITY'S, UH, CODE REQUIRING A PARKING LOT DESIGN AND LIGHTING STANDARDS.
SO, UH, THAT WILL CERTAINLY BE REVIEWED, UH, BY STAFF PRIOR TO ANY PERMITS BEING ISSUED.
SO WE ARE COMFORTABLE THAT THERE WON'T BE ANY LIGHT IMPACTS TO ANY OF THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORS.
UM, DESPITE ALL THE LIGHT LIGHTING REQUIREMENTS, I STILL THINK THAT THERE ARE TREES, UH, ALONG THAT SIDE OF THE SHADE.
AND ALSO BECAUSE IT USED TO BE A PARK, THIS AREA WE'RE GOING TO TURN INTO A PARKING LOT.
THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE, BUT WE CAN ADD TREES TO MAKE IT LOOK MUCH NICER IN OUR COMMUNITY, WHETHER IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE CAN STAND ALONG THE TREE OR WE ALL AROUND THE PARKING LOT.
WE COULD CERTAINLY ADD A CONDITION AND JOANNE KNOWS THIS, A STAFF REPORT BETTER THAN I DO, BUT WE COULD CERTAINLY ADD A CONDITION THAT REQUIRES THE PLANTING OF 24 INCH BOX TREES AT EVERY A 40 FEET ON CENTER, ALONG THE NORTH AND EAST PROPERTY LINE.
UM, IF THE CONDITIONS GET INTO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL OR NOT, JOANNE, UM, WE CAN GO INTO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL.
SO IF THE COMMISSION, UM, THE MAKER OF THE MOTION AND THE SECONDARY WANTED TO ADD THAT AS A CONDITION THAT COULD CERTAINLY BE INCLUDED IN THIS ITEM.
PRIOR TO THIS, UM, CAN WE CHECK WITH THE APPLICANT TO SEE IF THERE ARE THERE ACCEPTABLE OF, OF THE CONDITION? ARE YOU TALKING TO ME, JOANNE? YES.
I'M HAVING A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING THE QUESTION.
DID YOU HEAR THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT MARK PROPOSED REGARDING ADDING ADDITIONAL TREES ALONG THE NORTH AND EAST PROPERTY LINE? I DID.
ARE YOU OKAY WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION ADDING THAT PARTICULAR CONDITION OF APPROVAL? YES.
I WOULD LIKE TO CHIME IN THOUGH.
AREN'T WE MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS SET FORTH BY THIS, WHAT THE CITY CONDITIONS ARE ALREADY IN OUR PLAN? IS THIS A BOWL OVER AND ABOVE? YES.
IT WOULD BE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS.
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THE PROJECT AS IS COMPLIES WITH CITY CODE AND THE, THE SPECIFIC PLAN FOR THE, FOR THE SITE.AND THERE WAS A REQUEST TO ADD A CONDITION OF APPROVAL TO ADD ADDITIONAL TREES ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE, BUT LET'S BE MORE SPECIFIC.
HOW MANY MORE TREES, WHERE, WHAT IS THE SPECIFIC CONDITION? THERE ARE LOTS OF WAYS TO MAKE THE PARKING LOT LOOKS MORE, MORE GREEN THAN JUST A REGULAR PARKING LOT.
FOR EXAMPLE, ALONG THE STREET AREA, YOU CAN PLANT MORE TREES AND I'M PARTICULARLY MORE INTERESTED IN THE AREA.
UH, PARTICULARLY CURRENTLY THAT HAS A LOTS OF TREES ALREADY IN WHILE, WHILE YOU'RE BUILDING IT, YOU'RE GOING TO BE MOVED THOSE TREES.
I LIKE TO SEE MORE GREEN ALONG THAT SIZE, SO THAT AT LEAST IT BLOCKS THE LIGHT AS THE TREE MATURES.
THAT'S WHY I WANT TO SEE PHOTO SIMS, WHETHER IT'S GOING TO BE 10 YEARS OR NOW, HOW DOES A TREE LOOKS? HOW, HOW MUCH SCREENING DOES IT GET? I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A PARKING LOT.
YOU CAN JUST SUBMIT THE WHOLE AREA WITH CONCRETE, OR YOU CAN CONCRETE GET IN WITH NICE MATURE TREE PLACE IN A CERTAIN LOCATION.
IT WILL LOOK REALLY NICE FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, THIS IS, THIS IS JOHN MORELAND.
IF I MAY, UM, MAKE A PROPOSAL FOR A, FROM AT LEAST FROM A DESIGN PERSPECTIVE, UM, GENERALLY ALONG KIND OF THIS, THIS CORRIDOR AND WITH A 10 FOOT, WELL WITH A 10 FOOT WIDE, UM, LANDSCAPE AREA.
UM, GENERALLY I WOULD RECOMMEND, UM, UH, TO KIND OF GET SOMETHING SPECIFIC AS ABOUT ONE TREE PER 30 LINEAR FEET OF PROPERTY LINE, UM, PROVIDED THAT AN EXISTING MATURE TREE DOES NOT EXIST, NOT EXIST THERE, SO THAT ESSENTIALLY WE WOULD HAVE ESSENTIALLY KIND OF A CONTINUOUS LENGTH, UM, ALONG BOTH OF THOSE PROPERTY LINES.
BUT IS IT POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO COME BACK AND PRESENT US WITH A PHOTO SIM? WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE WHEN A, WHEN A TREE MATURES THOSE YOU CAN DO? IT'S NOT THAT DIFFICULT.
MAY I MAKE A POINT OF, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A MOTION AND A SECOND, WE HAVEN'T EVEN DETERMINED WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S SUPPORT FOR WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING.
SO I'M GOING TO CALL IT FOR THE QUESTION.
SO YOU WANT TO JUST VOTE ON THAT ON TAKE, ROLL CALL OR I MADE A MOTION.
THERE HAS, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S SUPPORT ON THE COMMISSION TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES OR ADD ANOTHER CONDITION.
SO THERE IS A MOTION ON THE SECOND ON THE FLOOR, AND I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A ROLL CALL ON EMOTION.
UM, I WILL ONLY CALL, UH, THE COMMISSIONERS WHO ARE, UH, PRESENT.
SO, UM, WE HAVE, AGAIN, JUST FOR THE RECORD, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER RED HOLTZ, A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER KENNEDY TO APPROVE, UH, THE PROJECT AS SUBMITTED, UM, COMMISSIONER KENNEDY, MISSION OF RED HOLES.
SO THIS ACTION IS FINAL UNLESS IT'S APPEALED TO CITY COUNCIL WITHIN 10 DAYS.
IS THAT A QUESTION YOU WERE ASKING? IT WAS, THE ACTIONS ARE ASKING.
I THINK THE ACTIONS OF PEOPLE LET'S DO IT.
SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ACTION TO APPROVE PRECISE PLAN 20 DASH ZERO FIVE, UM, HAS BEEN APPROVED ON A TWO TO ONE VOTE.
UM, I KNOW THE CITY ATTORNEY IS QUICKLY, UH, VERIFYING, BUT WE DO BELIEVE THAT, UM, IT ONLY REQUIRES A QUORUM OF THOSE
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PRESENT TO APPROVE THE MATTER.UM, BUT WE'LL VERIFY THAT BEFORE THE, UH, THE MEETING IS OVER, BUT AT THIS POINT, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE THE ITEM HAS BEEN APPROVED.
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WEEK MOVING ON TO NON-HEARING ITEMS, THIS IS, UM, NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS A SUBCOMMITTEE FOR DESIGN REVIEW NUMBER 20 DASH SEVEN NINE.LOCATION IS 16, 15 CAMBRIDGE COURT.
THE AFRICAN IS REQUESTING A, UM, TO CONSTRUCT A 77 SQUARE FOOT ENTRY PORCH AND AN 80 SQUARE FOOT DECK ON THE FRONT ELEVATION OF THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENT.
AND WHO WILL BE PRESENTING THIS ITEM, ASSISTANT PLANNER, RENEE, I GALA WILL BE PRESENTING THE ITEM.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS TONIGHT, I WILL BE PRESENTING ITEM NUMBER THREE, SUBCOMMITTEE FOR DESIGN REVIEW NUMBERED 20 DASH 79.
ALTHOUGH HIS SCOPE OF WORK WAS REVIEWED BY THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD AND HAD ASKED THE APPLICANT TO REVISE THE PLANS.
AND THE APPLICANT REQUESTED THAT THE PROJECT BE FORWARDED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR RECONSIDERATION AT THE SEPTEMBER 22ND, 2020 SUBCOMMITTEE FOR DESIGN REVIEW MEETING.
THESE SUBCOMMITTEE REVIEWED THE PROPOSED 77 SQUARE FOOT ENTRY PORCH TO THE EXISTING TWO-STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE STAFF HAD MADE A RECOMMENDATION THAT THE PROPOSED FRONT ENTRY PORCH BE REDUCED IN HEIGHT TO MATCH THE EXISTING SINGLE-STORY ROOF LINE BECAUSE THERE'S TWO STORY ENTRY, PORCH DESIGN INTENSIFIES, THE MASS OF THE TWO STORY HOUSE, MAKING THE LOOK OUT OF SCALE WITH OTHER HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE SUBCOMMITTEE HAD AGREED WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND DIRECTED THAT THE APPLICANT REDESIGNED THE FRONT ENTRY PORCH BY REDUCING ITS HEIGHT.
HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT REQUESTED THAT THE PROPOSAL BE FORWARDED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR RECONSIDERATION.
I PRESENT YOU THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.
YOU CAN SEE THIS TYPICAL FAMILY RESIDENCE RESIDENTS RIGHT NOW HAS THE FRONT ENTRY PORCH AT THE FIRST FLOOR LEVEL.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED FRONT ENTRY PORCH.
AS YOU CAN SEE THE TOTAL HEIGHT FOR THAT FRONT ENTRY PORCH WOULD BE AT 19 FEET.
AGAIN AT THE DESIGN REVIEW MEETING, UH, E BOARD OF COMMENTS, UH, WERE THAT THE PROPOSED ENTRY PORTRAITS TOO HIGH, NOT IN SYNCHRONIZATION WITH THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD AND OUT OF CHARACTER WITHIN THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING STAFF DID SURVEY 19 HOMES IN THAT, ON THAT STREET WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND FOUND NO PORCHES OF THAT HEIGHT.
I DO, I DID LIST DESIGN GUIDELINES ON THEIR DESIGN, THE HOUSE TO FIT INTO THE ARCHITECTURAL CONTEXT OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THAT FRONT PORCH ROOF LINE SHOULD BE LOWER IN HEIGHT THAN THE MAIN PORTION OF THE ROOF.
THAT BEING SAID, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PORCH BE REDUCED TO THE EXISTING HEIGHT OF THE EXISTING PORCH TO MATCH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE FOR QUESTIONS AND MYSELF AS WELL.
I HAVE A QUESTION, UM, ON THE FRONT ELEVATION, IT'S HARD TO TELL HOW, HOW LONG THOSE WERE THE FRONT DOORS.
WE SEE THOSE ARE AT HAVE HEPA LASER POINTER.
OH, LOOKS LIKE THE DOORS ARE TUCKED IN, IN THE BACK OVER THERE AND YOU CAN JUST KIND OF SEE AN OPENING COMING FROM THE SIDE AND THEN THE FRONT AS WELL.
UH, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS WOULD BE AN OPENING AS WELL, BUT WHICH AREA CAN YOU POINT IT TO GETTING YOU AT THE TOP HERE? THAT WOULD BE AN OPENING.
SO THAT TOP PORTION LOOKS LIKE IT CAN INCORPORATE IT IN WITH THE SECOND STORY.
AND THEN THE BOTTOM PORTION, IT JUST OPENS
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UP MORE, BUT YEAH, IT'S LIKE JUST A PORCH WITH A HIGH CEILING.LET'S ANYONE HAS, UH, APPLICANT THOSE IN FAVORS AND OR THOSE OPPOSE COME ON, ERIC COMMISSION, I'M JAY SUMMERS, I'M THE APPLICANT AND THE DESIGNER OF THE PROJECT.
AND, UM, SO I WAS ADDRESSING BASICALLY, UH, THAT IT IS AN EXTENSION OF THE HEIGHT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT REALLY, AS FAR AS I DON'T FEEL THAT THE MASS IS REALLY THERE BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT IT'S OPEN.
I THINK IT'S OPENED UP IN THE FRONT AND ON THE SIDES.
AND THEN WITH THE WINDOW ON THE TOP, UM, THAT THE, THAT THE MASTERS REALLY NOT THERE IN ARCHITECTURAL IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE HOUSE, WITH THAT STRUCTURE, THAT STYLE OF THE ARCHITECTURE OF THAT PARTICULAR MODEL.
THERE'S SEVERAL DIFFERENT MOTORS, PROBABLY SIX DIFFERENT MODELS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S A TRACK AND THERE'S A WIDE RANGE OF ARCHITECTURAL VIEW.
SO IT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT IS OUT OF THE ORDINARY FOR THIS PARTICULAR MODEL.
I BELIEVE OF THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE ON THE STREET, THE RESIDENCE ACROSS THE STREET HAS A STORY AND A HALF ENTRY.
THAT'S A SHED ROOF THAT'S UNIQUE TO ITSELF.
AND THE OWNER REALLY WANTED JUST TO OPEN UP THE FRONT BECAUSE IF YOU LOOKED AT THE FIRST, OH, COULD YOU SHOW THE FIRST PICTURE? I'M READY, THANK YOU.
AND SO WHAT HE REALLY WANTED TO DO WAS KIND OF OPEN UP THAT FRONT AND, AND BRING, BRING SOME MORE LIGHT INTO THE OPENING.
AND IT'S A TWO STORY ENTRY WAY ON THE INSIDE ALSO.
SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE BRINGING THAT INTO THERE.
UM, AS FAR AS BEING OUT OF CHARACTER WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, I DON'T KNOW, IT'S JUST AN ARCHITECTURAL AND OPINION.
I DON'T THINK THAT THE MASS WAS THERE.
I THINK FOR THAT PARTICULAR INDIVIDUAL HOUSE, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE AN ACCEPTABLE.
WE, WE TRIED AT THE VERY BEGINNING, NOT ME.
THE FIRST DESIGNER TRIED TO PRESENT A ROOF STRUCTURE THAT WAS HALFWAY OPEN AND THAT WAS REJECTED.
AND THE COMMENT THAT I HEARD FROM THAT DESIGNER WAS THAT EITHER WANTED TO SEE IT ON THE FIRST STORY LEVEL OR WITH THE SECOND STORY.
SO THE OWNER DECIDED, AND I TALKED TO HIM AND WE DECIDED THAT THE SECOND STORY WOULD LOOK BETTER.
HE WAS REALLY BRINGING JUST A PUDDING, A SHIT, YOU KNOW, A GABLE ROOF ON THE FIRST STORY REALLY DOESN'T DO MUCH TO OPEN IT UP.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE WERE THINKING.
WELL, I THINK THAT IT'S WITHIN, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OF THE, OF THE RESIDENCE ITSELF, IT RESONATES ENOUGH AND GIVES ENOUGH OF AN OPENING.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE ASKED THAT YOU GUYS COULD TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT IT AND RECONSIDER IT.
UM, I GUESS THE FRONT PORCH AREA TO THE ENTRY DOOR.
HOW IS THAT THE LENGTH OF THE CAR GARAGE, A GOOD 20 FEET OR SO? NO, IT'S 12 FOOT EIGHT INCHES.
SO IT'S A LITTLE MORE THAN HALF OF THE GARAGE LENGTH.
SO THERE'S QUITE A DEPTH INTO IT.
YOU HAVE, THE GARAGE GOES BACK FURTHER, YOU KNOW.
THIS, THIS DESIGN IS, IS THIS OWNER DRIVEN, SORRY, THE OWNER, IS THIS THE OWNER DRIVING THIS DESIGN OR IS IT ARCHITECTURAL DRIVEN? IT'S THE OWNERS, UM, IDEA THAT HE REALLY WANTED TO OPEN UP THE FRONT.
AND THAT WAS MY INTERPRETATION OF WHAT HIS DESIRES WERE.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ARCHITECTS? WELL, LET ME JUST ASK ONE OTHER THING IS I GUESS THE HAS BEEN GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY BASED ON THE, UH, COMMENTS AND THE RESULTS OF THE DESIGN REVIEW SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING.
HE WAS, THEY WERE GIVEN THE OPTION OR THE OPPORTUNITY TO AT LEAST PRESENT AN ALTERNATIVE TO THIS.
AND THEY DECIDED NOT, ARE THEY COMPLETELY CLOSE MINDED TO ANOTHER ATTEMPT AT BRINGING THIS? SO IT WOULD BE NOT SO HIGH UP, OH, PLEASE COME ON.
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YEAH, SURE.LET'S LET THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER HELLO, THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME OUT.
UM, AND, AND, AND SPEAKING WITH THE OWNER, UH, JUST SO YOU GUYS ARE AWARE, UH, THIS, THIS PROPERTY OWNER HAS A VESTED INTEREST IN, IN COMPLETING THIS PROJECT.
AND, UM, HE'S BEEN AT THIS FOR OVER 15 YEARS.
AND WHEN I SPOKE TO HIM TODAY, AS A MATTER OF FACT, UM, HE SENDS HIS APOLOGIES OF HIM NOT BEING ABLE TO BE HERE.
HE WAS TENDING TO PERSONAL MATTERS.
UM, BUT THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT HE'S NOT, UM, UH, VESTED IN THE PROPERTY.
HE HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO FLAT OUT MOVE TO ANOTHER HOUSE.
UH, BUT HE LOVES THIS HOUSE, UH, SO MUCH THAT HE'S HIRED US, UH, NOT NECESSARILY TO SWAY HIM INTO A PARTICULAR ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN.
UH, BUT THAT, UM, UM, HE'S BEEN VERY MUCH VOCAL WITH ME, UH, TO BEING OPENMINDED ABOUT, UH, ABOUT HAVING THAT PORTION LINE MAYBE SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE.
UH, BUT THE, BUT THE COMMITTEE GUIDELINES, UH, DID NOT ALLOW FOR THAT.
AND SO, AS A MATTER OF FACT, I WOULD LIKE TO STATE THAT, UM, UM, THAT THE GUIDELINES REALLY WEREN'T, THAT, THAT, THAT MUCH CLEAR AS FAR AS, UM, UH, WHAT, WHAT IS ALLOWED AND WHAT IS NOT ALLOWED, UH, IN OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, WITH ASSISTANT, UH, UH, RENEE, UH, HE, HE, UH, THERE'S AN EMAIL CONVERSATION WITH US, UH, THAT BASICALLY HE GIVES HIS, UM, RECOMMENDATION.
AND ALTHOUGH HE, HE MAY, I MAY BE WRONG ON THIS POINT, BUT IF, IF HE, UM, UH, HAS SOME TYPE OF SAY IN THIS, UH, IN THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, UM, HE'S, HE'S GIVEN THAT KIND OF SAVED BY A DELEGATED AUTHORITY, UH, THAT HE MIGHT HAVE.
AND I, I JUST KIND OF LIKE, AND HEAR HIM HEARING HIM OUT.
I ASKED THEM, DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANYTHING IN WRITING IN TERMS OF LIKE, WHAT'S, WHAT'S ALLOWED ON A SEC, UH, ON A SECOND, UH, SINGLE FAMILY STORY HOME.
AND HE REFERRED TO, UM, BASICALLY THE, THE HANDOUT THAT, UM, JUST STATE THAT, UM, THAT, UH, THAT WE NEEDED TO INCORPORATE ONE STORY GUIDELINES AND AN ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN, A 42 STORY HOME AND ADDITIONS.
UM, NUMBER ONE, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS WOULD FALL UNDER THE GUIDELINES OF AN ADDITION WE WANTED TO ORIGINALLY, UH, PRESENT THE ROOF LINE IN THE MIDDLE.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THE CLIENT, UM, UH, ORIGINALLY WANTED.
BUT WHAT WE UNDERSTOOD WAS LIKE, NO, IT NEEDED TO BE AN, EITHER THE FIRST LEVEL OR THE SECOND LEVEL.
AND TO THAT, UH, I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT, UM, THE MAIN PORTION OF THIS ROOF LIES ON THE SECOND STORY, UM, TO PUT A ROOF PORCH ENTRYWAY, UH, ON THE FIRST LEVEL.
UM, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S THE WAY, UH, THE, THE, THE HOMES WERE BUILT BACK THEN, BUT THE HOMEOWNER HAS INSISTED THAT HE SHOULD HAVE A RIGHT, UH, TO HAVE A HOME WITH AN ENTRY WAY THAT IS SUITABLE TO HIM.
SO MAINLY I JUST WANT TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF HIM.
I'M, I'M, I'M, I'M NOT 100%, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT MY HOUSE.
I'M JUST THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR HERE, BUT IN, IN A WAY, I, I WAS MADE TO FEEL LIKE HE SHOULD, UH, BE GIVEN, BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO HAVE A HOME THAT'S, THAT'S APPEALING TO HIM AND TO HIS FAMILY BEING THAT HE'S BEEN A RESIDENT THERE FOR OVER 15 YEARS.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? LET ME JUST MAKE A COUPLE OF A COUPLE OF QUICK COMMENTS.
FIRST OF ALL, AS FAR AS STAFF GOES BY THE GUIDELINES THAT ARE ESTABLISHED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL.
SO THEY PRESENT TO YOU WHAT THOSE ARE, THEN STAFF DOES THE STAFF REPORT, AS YOU CAN SEE, AND THEY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT HE WANTS, WHAT, WHAT THE OWNER WANTS IS CURRENTLY IN FRONT OF US, BECAUSE THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAKES THAT DECISION STAFF DOES NOT MAKE THAT DECISION STAFF MAKES A RECOMMENDATION.
THEN IT'S UP TO THIS COMMISSION TO DECIDE HOW THEY WANT TO GO.
THAT ISN'T WHAT HE WANTS TO DO IS CURRENTLY IN FRONT OF US.
THERE COULD BE VOTES TO DO THIS.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS NO MATTER WHAT DECISION THIS COMMISSION MAKES.
IF THERE, IF THE, IF THE APPLICANT OR A NEIGHBOR OR A RESIDENT, DOESN'T LIKE OUR DECISION, OUR DECISION CAN THEN AGAIN, BE APPEALED TO THE CITY COUNCIL
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WHO WILL HAVE THE FINAL DECISION.IF THERE'S NO APPEAL OF OUR DECISION WITHIN THE 10 DAYS, IT'S FINAL AND THAT'S DONE.
BUT STAFF, IN MY VIEW, I'VE BEEN ON THIS COMMISSION MANY, MANY YEARS.
THEY WORK WITH YOU, THE APPLICANT, THEY PREPARE THE REPORT AND THEY BRING IT TO US WITH A RECOMMENDATION.
WE ARE UNDER NO OBLIGATION TO FOLLOW THAT RECOMMENDATION.
THIS COMMISSION WILL DELIBERATE LOOK AT THE PLANS AND COME TO A DECISION.
AND IT'S ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE YOU PLEASE, HALF THE PEOPLE YOU DON'T PLEASE THE OTHER HALF, THAT'S THE WAY IT IS.
BUT I, YOU KNOW, I KINDA TAKE EXCEPTION WITH A LITTLE BIT OF YOUR TONE, THE WAY HE PRESENTED THAT, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I MEAN, STAFF'S DOING THEIR JOB.
WE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE THE DECISION MAKING BODY, NOT STAFF.
UH, I, THAT, THE REASON I ASKED IF THE OWNER WAS EVEN AMENABLE, BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THE OWNER WAS GIVEN OPPORTUNITIES TO COME BACK BASED ON THE FACT THAT THE TWO REPRESENTATIVES ON THE, ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE ARE TWO FIFTHS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
THEY'RE PART OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, TWO FIFTHS.
SO IT'S, IF I HAVE A PROJECT IN FRONT AND TWO FIFTHS OF THE COMMISSION HAVE ALREADY INDICATED, THEY'RE NOT REALLY THRILLED WITH THIS ONE MORE VOTE IS ALL YOU NEED TO ALL WOULD BE NEEDED TO TURN IT DOWN.
YOU'VE ALREADY GOT TWO FIFTHS THAT WOULD SEND A SIGNAL TO ME THAT MAYBE I BETTER TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THIS.
CAUSE NOW YOU'RE IN FRONT OF NOW.
WE HAVE OUR OTHER COMMISSIONERS ARRIVED.
BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE SUPPORT, I HAVE NO IDEA.
I WENT OUT THERE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I WALKED AROUND AND THROUGHOUT THE I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THAT, NOT TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, THAT'S WHAT HE WANTS.
BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE A JUDGMENT AS FAR AS A CHARACTER OF A NEIGHBORHOOD, AS FAR AS AESTHETICS AND JUST PLAY IN HOW IT LOOKS.
AND TO ME, I JUST THINK THAT'S TOO HIGH.
I MEAN, THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.
AND IF I, IF I CAN, I'M SURE I CAN RESPOND, UH, REGARDING THE, THE UNDERLYING TONE THAT IN NO WAY THAT, I MEAN, FOR THAT TO COME ACROSS AS CRITICAL, UH, I WAS JUST MAINLY MAKING AN OBSERVATION.
AND SO, UH, WHAT, WHAT, UH, WHAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN MISUNDERSTOOD IS, UH, IS MORE OF A, OF A, OF A PASSIONATE, UM, UM, A PLEA OR FOR THIS TO BE, TO BE CONSIDERED, UH, BECAUSE, UM, WE W THE, THE HOMEOWNER AGAIN, IS OPEN TO HAVING THAT ROOF LINE LOWERED AND NO WAY THAT, THAT, UH, UH, DID, ARE WE TRYING TO CRAM THIS UNDER ANYBODY'S THROAT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? WE JUST WANT TO BE CONSIDERED TO BE GIVEN A FAIR SHOT.
AND, UH, WHAT YOU HAVE, UH, WHAT YOU ARE SEEING PRESENTED IS, IS IT'S A PROPOSAL, AND WE HAVE NOT EVEN GOTTEN TO, UH, TO THE MAILING OUT OF WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO THE RESIDENTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UH, SO AGAIN, UM, UH, WE JUST WANT TO BE GIVEN, UH, JUST, UH, A FAIR SHAKE HERE AND, UH, GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF GUIDANCE AS FAR AS WHAT WE, WE ARE ALLOWED TO DO.
UM, WE ARE OPEN, UH, TO, TO SUGGESTIONS.
SO WHAT YOU SEE PRESENTED BEFORE YOU, IT'S JUST, UH, AN ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE HAD HAD, UH, IN OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, CITY OFFICIALS.
AND I DIDN'T CATCH YOUR NAME, ABM, FABIAN HERNANDEZ, FABIAN HERNANDEZ.
UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR EXPLAINING WHAT THE OWNER WANTS, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE IT THAT THE OWNER HAS BEEN LIVING HERE FOR THE LAST 15 YEARS AND BASED ON WHAT I SEEN, UM, AND ALSO I LIKE TO WORK ON, UM, DON HOLT'S, UM, HE JUST CAME IN AND CAN YOU FLIP BACK TO THE FIRST, UM, THIS IS DONE.
THIS IS, UM, WHAT THE EXISTING ROOF RIGHT NOW.
CAUSE I DIDN'T HEAR EVERYTHING THAT WENT ON.
AND CAN WE, CAN WE BRING YOU UP TO DATE SO YOU CAN PARTICIPATE AND WE BRING YOU UP TO DATE SO YOU CAN PARTICIPATE? YEAH.
THEN WOULD YOU GUYS LIKE TO HEAR FROM, UM, THE, THE DESIGNER ONCE AGAIN? YES, THAT WOULD BE FINE, BUT I LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BRINGING IN THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
AND I REALLY APPRECIATE HEARING WHAT THE OWNER LIKES TO DO
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VERSUS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE.IT LOOKS LIKE YOU ARTICULATED REALLY WELL, UM, IN TERMS OF WHAT IT IS THAT YOU WANT TO LET US KNOW WHAT THE OWNER, WHAT HE HAS AFTER BEEN LIVING AT HIS HOUSE FOR THE LAST 15 YEARS.
SO, AND HE DOES HAVE A SAY IN WHAT HIS HOUSE SHOULD LOOK LIKE NOW, IN TERMS OF WHETHER WE APPROVED IT OR NOT.
AND IF THIS THING GET DENIAL, YOU CAN ALWAYS APPEAL TO CITY COUNCIL AND THEY'RE A COMPLETE, SEPARATE BODY THEY CAN APPROVE OR REJECT IT.
SO THERE ARE A LOT OF OPTIONS AND THIS IS THE RIGHT OPTION.
AND IT'S THE PROCESS THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH.
AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT, THAT YOU COME IN AND THE ARCHITECT COME IN AND TRY TO EXPLAIN TO US BECAUSE CURRENTLY WHAT I'M SEEING IS THAT THE CURRENT HOUSE IS A ONE STORY.
AND THE ROOF, THE AREA THAT YOU'RE BUILDING IS NOT REALLY INCREASING THE PORCH AREA.
I FEEL LIKE IT'S THE SAME SIZE.
HOWEVER, YOU'RE LIFTING THAT UP AND BRING IT UP MORE LIGHT, MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT HIGHER AND THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF WHAT HAVE YOU.
IT HASN'T CHANGED BASED ON WHAT I'VE SEEN.
AND WHEN YOU BRING IT UP THAT AREA RIGHT NOW, THAT'S SORTA LIKE, LOOK, PITCH DARK.
I'VE BEEN TO HOME LIKE THIS BEFORE, DURING THE DAYTIME, IT'S PRETTY DARK.
SO IT SEEMS LIKE THE NEWER ARCHITECTS SEEMS TO BRING IN MORE LIGHT LIFT UP HIGHER AND THEY PUT THE SAME SQUARE FOOTAGE.
SO I AM, YOU KNOW, I'M GLAD THAT YOU BROUGHT IT UP AND I'M OKAY WITH IT.
SOME COMMISSIONERS ARE NOT, BUT I THINK IT MAKES THE HOUSE BRING IT UP TO DATE AND IT MAKES IT PRE MORE LIGHT.
AND I THINK MAYBE AFTER 15 YEARS OF A BIT OF DARK, MAYBE THEY WANTED A LITTLE BRIGHTER LOOKING HOME FOR THAT PORCH AREA.
AND HE, YOU INCORPORATE INCORPORATED NICELY HOW THE LOOK OF HOW THE LOOK OF IT IS GOING TO LOOK IN THAT AREA.
CAN YOU BRING UP THE, THE NEW DESIGN? YEAH.
SO THAT WOULD BE AN INCORPORATION OF IT.
AND, AND AGAIN, UM, WE WOULD JUST KINDA LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THIS WASN'T PARTICULARLY OUR FIRST, UM, OUR FIRST OPTION.
UM, AS FAR AS WHEN, WHEN WE SPOKE TO THE HOMEOWNER, UH, HE JUST WANTED A, A ROOF LINE THAT WAS ROUGHLY, UM, IN THE, IN THE MIDDLE OF, OF BOTH THE FIRST AND THE SECOND STORY.
AND TO OUR UNDERSTANDING, IT WOULD NOT LOOK UP, UH, UH, SYMMETRICAL WITH, WITH, UH, WITH, WITH THE BUILDING ITSELF.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE ARE PRESENTING A, A FRONT ENTRY WAY WITH, UH, WITH, ON A TWO STORY.
AND, UM, JUST, JUST TO POINT OUT ON THAT SAME BLOCK, UM, UM, COUNCILMAN, UM, UH, PLANNING MEMBERS HERE, UM, THERE ARE A ROOF, UH, UH, PORCH ENTRYWAYS THAT TIE IN AND GO ALL THE WAY UP TO THE, UH, TO THE SECOND STORY.
SO THERE ARE A VARIETY OF, OF, OF ROOFS THAT ARE, THAT ARE DIFFERENT.
AND, UH, THE DESIGNER, JAY ACTUALLY MENTIONED ONE, UH, ONE OTHER ONE, BUT I JUST KINDA WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT SECOND ONE.
I DO WANT TO COME BACK UP AGAIN AND BECAUSE WE HAVE A NEW COMMISSIONER HERE, YOU'RE THE SPECIAL ONE HERE.
SEE IF I CAN SEE IF I CAN DO A REPEAT PERFORMANCE.
UH, I WAS REVIEWING JUST BASICALLY WHAT THE, THE BACKGROUND WAS FROM THE, UM, DESIGN REVIEW MEETING AND THEIR, THEIR ISSUES WERE THAT THEY THOUGHT THAT THERE WAS A, THAT IT MADE TOO MUCH OF THE MASS, UM, AND I'VE FELT BECAUSE THAT IT WAS A REALLY, IT REALLY IS NARROW.
I MEAN, IT DOES INCREASE IN HEIGHT, BUT AS FAR AS THE MASS, THE MASS IS REALLY NOT THERE.
I DON'T FEEL JUST BECAUSE IT'S OPEN ON, ON THIS, ON THE FRONT, ON THE SIDE, AND THEN WITH THE WINDOW ON THE TOP, UM, AS FAR AS OUT OF CHARACTER AND HARMONY, UM, WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WELL, IT'S AN INDIVIDUAL HOUSE, THERE'S SIX DIFFERENT MODELS IN THAT TRACK AREA.
UM, AND, UH, I THINK THAT IT'S WITHIN THE ARCHITECTURAL CONTEXT OF THE WAY THAT THE HOUSE WOULD BE A LOGICAL EXTENSION OF WHAT WE WOULD DO TO OPEN THAT UP.
UM, THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I SAID IS THAT THERE WAS ONE ENTRY ACROSS THE STREET.
THERE WAS AT A STORY AND A HALF, AND THAT WAS OUR, UH, PRE, THE PREVIOUS DESIGNER'S IDEA THAT, UH, DIDN'T HAPPEN.
SO I, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS, UM, THAT DIDN'T SEE THE DRAWING, BUT IT PRESENTS ITSELF, UM, IN THE CONTEXT OF
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WHAT THE OWNER WOULD DESIRING TO OPEN IT UP AND BRING MORE LIGHT INTO IT AND, AND GIVE THE A LEVEL, LOOK TO IT.LET ME SAY THIS I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE PROJECT.
I JUST WANTED TO RECLUSE MYSELF BECAUSE I DIDN'T HEAR WHAT WAS SAID EARLIER.
THEY WANT YOU TO JUMP IN AND VOTE ON IT.
SO, ALL RIGHT, WELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
UM, DO WE HAVE ANYONE OPPOSING THIS PROJECT? JOANNE, HAS ANY CARD BEEN SENT OUT FOR THIS? I'M SORRY.
HAS ANY NEIGHBORS BEEN NOTIFIED OF THIS PROJECT? THIS, THIS APPLICATION DOES NOT REQUIRE A, UM, A PUBLIC HEARING NOTIFICATION.
IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM.
WHAT REFRESH OUR MEMORIES? WHAT IS HE, WHAT CAN HE DO WITH THAT FORGE? I MEAN, WHAT IS, WHAT IS OUR REQUIREMENT, BUT THAT PORCH HEIGHT, IF WE FOLLOW THE DESIGN GUIDELINES MATCH THE, A MAIN ROOF, WHICH OUR INTERPRETATION IS THE FIRST FLOOR.
UH, AND THEN WITH THE DESIGN GUIDELINES OF FITTING THE CONTEXT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING STUFF FELT THAT THE MAIN, UH, THE MAIN ROOF LINE WOULD BE THE FIRST FLOOR.
UM, AND I DO, I DID PULL UP THE DEPICT THE HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET.
SO I CAN SHOW THAT IF YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE, I BELIEVE, AND, UH, J IF THAT'S THE HOUSE, THEN LET ME KNOW IF NOT, THEN YEAH.
I SAW THAT HOUSE THAT, THAT, THAT DID NOT TRIGGER TO ME.
THAT THAT WAS, THAT WAS SIMILAR TO THAT HOUSE.
THE DIFFERENCES IS THAT'S A SHED ROOF GOING UP BEYOND WHAT THE OTHER ROOF WAS AS A HIP ROOF.
THAT'S JUST THAT THERE'S A STRUCTURAL DIFFERENCE IN THE APPEARANCE.
SO IT GIVES THE APPEARANCE THAT IT'S UP AT A STORY AND A HALF AT THE, AT THE TOP OF THE, PART OF THE SHED ON THAT.
THAT'S ALL I WAS SAYING IS THAT IT'S, WHEREAS ON THE, IF YOU GO BACK TO CROSS THE STREET, THEN YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE.
IT'S NOT AS DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE AS HIGH AS THE ONE ACROSS THE STREET DOES THIS AREA.
THAT'S QUITE HILLY WAIT UNTIL WE GET TO THE BACK PORTION.
UM, THANKS FOR BEING HERE, BUT I'M HAVE A QUICK QUESTION, THOUGH.
THERE'S MORE TO THE BACK THAT YOU'RE ADDING ON.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT PART AS WELL? YEAH, THE, THE BACK, UM, I REALLY, WE DON'T HAVE A PHOTOGRAPH OR A RENDERING OF THAT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ON THE PLAN, BUT YOU SEE IT ON THE PLAN.
DO YOU HAVE THE BACK PORTION? THAT'S THE ADDITION? NOT, NOT ON THE POWERPOINT.
YEAH, WE WERE, WE, EVERYBODY WAS HAPPY WITH THAT, SO WE WEREN'T ADDRESSING THAT, BUT YEAH, BUT IT IS A, IT IS A, AN OCTAGON TOWER IN THE BACK.
THAT'S A FULL TWO STORY TOWER.
IT'S NOT QUITE AS HIGH AS THE MAIN RIDGE, BUT IT'S, UH, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST A LOT OF, A LOT OF VERTICAL AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE AIMING AT IN THE FRONT WITHOUT GETTING TOO CARRIED AWAY.
I THINK IT SEEMS LIKE THE OCTA COM PORTION TOWARDS THE BACK, IT'S ONLY THE MAIN FLOOR RIGHT NOW ON THE FIRST FLOOR, THE BRINGING THE OCTAGON ALL THE WAY UP TO THE SECOND FLOOR, INCLUDING THE ROOF.
FOR THE, FOR THE MASTER BATHROOM MASTER BATHROOM.
SO THAT'S KIND OF ADD ON THAT'S THE ADDITION BASICALLY RIGHT ON THE BACK.
AND THEN THERE'S ALSO A DECK, BUT EVERYBODY'S HAPPY WITH THE DECK ALSO.
SO HOW HIGH IS THE DECK FROM THE, I KNOW IT'S REALLY SLOPPY, THAT PARTICULAR LOT.
I KNOW IT'S GOING OUT 20 FEET, BUT HOW, HOW LOW DOES IT, IT'S THERE BASICALLY, WE TOOK THE INCREMENTS AND THE GUIDELINES ON THE, ON THE DESIGN OF THE DECK, AND I BELIEVE WE'VE GOT, UM, NO HIGHER THAN TWO, EIGHT FOOT SEGMENTS, YOU KNOW, BREAKING DOWN LIKE, LIKE THE GUIDELINES SHOW THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE STEPPED IN.
AND WE'VE GOT A WALL AT FIVE FEET IN FRONT OF IT.
AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER EIGHT FOOT.
I, I I'VE GOT THE ELEVATION IN THERE.
I DON'T SEE THE ELEVATION, BUT, UM, THE DECK HAS TWO LEVEL OR JUST
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ONE.YEAH, NO, THERE'S, THERE'S ONE LEVEL OF THE DECK, BUT WE'VE STEPPED IT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE, UH, THE, THE, UH, GUIDELINES AT THE DIRT AREA.
YOU'RE SAYING, CAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THIS IS WHAT THE DECK LOOKED LIKE.
I DON'T SEE A STAIR GOING DOWN AND THEN THERE'S A DECK.
WELL, MAYBE THIS IS WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FLAT AREA RIGHT HERE.
TH TH TH TH THE OUT THE OUTSIDE LINE, THERE SHOULD BE AN ELEVATION WITH THAT, UH, MAXIMUM HEIGHT TOWARD THE BACK.
THAT WOULD BE THE WEST SIDE WOULD BE EIGHT FEET.
YEAH, ACTUALLY I TOOK IT AND THEN THAT'S, WE, WE WERE IN, THEY GAVE ME THE, UH, THE GUIDELINES ON THOSE.
SO I MADE SURE WE FOLLOWED THOSE ON THAT, ON THAT PARTICULAR.
DOES ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS? SO, UM, IF NO ONE ELSE IS GOING TO COMMENT ON THIS PROJECT, CAUSE WE'RE GONNA IN PUBLIC COMMENTS AND DO WE HAVE A MOTION? WE'LL CALL FORMAL HOW MANY DISCUSSIONS? WELL, YOU KNOW, I, UH, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT I SEE HERE.
I HAVEN'T BEEN, AND I'M STILL NOT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK WITH AN ALTERNATIVE PROPOSAL, MAYBE WITH SOME OF PHOTO SIMS THAT YOU LIKE A LOT.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT FROM MY SEAT, I, I JUST, I JUST DON'T LIKE THE WAY IT LOOKS RIGHT NOW.
I THINK THE ROOF, I THINK IT'S TOO HIGH.
I JUST NEED TO, IT'S A, IT'S A NICE PROJECT, BUT IF WE COULD JUST LOWER IT, I'D BE GOOD WITH THAT.
UM, IF, IF NOT, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO VOTE.
UM, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF WE HAD ANY INPUT FROM THE NEIGHBORS OR ANYBODY WASN'T GASHED, OR IF ANYBODY WAS FOR, IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, SHE ALREADY ANSWERED.
WELL, I, I MEAN TO THE STAFF, IS THIS ITEM.
IF I MAY, THIS ITEM DID NOT REQUIRE PUBLIC NOTICING AT LEAST FOR THE, UH, SCOPE OF WORK THAT WE ARE REVIEWING TONIGHT.
I GUESS WE CAN MAKE A MOTION AND TAKE A VOTE ON IT.
WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO DROP THE, THE ROUGH MINE? UH, YES, ABSOLUTELY.
UH, I JUST, I, I VOTED AGAINST SIX.
I THOUGHT IT WAS OUT OF CHARACTER WITH THE, UH, THE REST.
THERE'S 19 HOMES ON THE STREET AND I, I LOOKED AT ALL OF THEM.
LIKE YOU SAID, YOU HAVE THE, THE SHED ROOF ACROSS THE STREET.
AND I THINK IT'S A NICE PROJECT.
I JUST THINK IT'S JUST TOO HIGH.
UM, AND, AND IF YOU'LL LOWER, IT I'LL, I'M, I'M GOOD WITH THAT.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THE CONFUSION IN THEIR LIGHT, UM, WOULD WE BE REQUIRED TO LOWER IT AT THE, AT THE, UH, AT THE FIRST LEVEL? IS THAT WHAT YOU SEE? UM, IS, IS THERE, UH, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT, THAT, UM, THAT ROOF LINE CAN BE SLIGHTLY LV? WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO DROP IT OR WHAT THE OWNER WOULD BE WILLING TO DROP THEM? WELL, THE OWNER WOULDN'T, UM, HE ASKED ME WHAT, WHAT I THOUGHT ABOUT IT.
AND I FULLY EXPLAINED TO HIM THAT WE WERE BE BEFORE A REVIEW COMMITTEE.
AND SO LIKE REALLY WHAT HAD TO SAY REALLY, UM, WAS, WAS DIDN'T DIDN'T AFFECT THE OUTCOME.
AND, UH, I TOLD THEM IF, IF, UH, IF THEY DON'T ALLOW FOR THIS, THEN THEY WILL, MORE THAN LIKELY ALLOW US OR, OR HAVE US BRING IT DOWN TO THE FIRST LEVEL.
AND, UH, HIS, HIS ORIGINAL INTENT WAS TO HAVE A SLIGHTLY, A BIGGER DOOR IN INSIDE HIS ENTRYWAY, I BELIEVE RIGHT NOW THAT THAT'S ALL HE WANTS.
SO JUST, UH, UH, IF WE CAN GET, IF WE ARE ALLOWED TO, UH, UM, PUT IN A, UM, MAYBE A NINE FOOT DOOR AND WITH A ROOF LINE, THAT'LL ALLOW US TO, UM, ACCOMMODATE FOR THAT.
I'LL WORK WITH YOU A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU
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NEED TO GO UP A FEW, BUT NOT, I JUST, FROM MY SEAT, JUST DO HI.AND, AND WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT.
WE'RE, WE'RE GOOD AT SO LONG AS WE'RE ABLE TO INSTALL A BIGGER DOOR.
CAN WE, CAN WE MAKE, MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THE ITEM AND HAVE THEM BRING BACK AN ALTERNATIVE DESIGN? WE CAN DO THAT, CORRECT.
AND ALSO, CAN YOU LEAVE YOUR, FILL OUT A CARD? SOMEBODY WANTS TO SPEAK ON ONE, JUST SO I'M CLEAR AS TO WHAT KIND OF A HEIGHTS WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE.
WHAT I'M HEARING EVERYBODY SAY IS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE THE FACIAL LINE TO MATCH ON THE FIRST LEVEL ALL THE WAY AROUND, BUT WE CAN PUT A GABLE ON THE, AND HAVE IT OPEN AND THEN RUN IT BACK SO WE CAN EXTEND IT AND MAKE THE ENTRY DOORS HIGHER.
THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING.
CAN WE GO A FOOT HIGHER AND OKAY.
WE'LL WE'LL UH, WE'LL BE REDESIGNING FOR YOU.
OKAY, SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY MOTION TO CONTINUE IT.
GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO REDESIGN IT, BRING IT BACK TO US AT A, UH, IT UNCERTAIN.
THAT AWFUL MOTION MADE THE MOTION ROLL CALL FOR THE VOTE, PLEASE.
SO, UH, FOR THE RECORD, WE HAVE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THE ITEM FOUR, REDESIGN A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER RED.
HOLTS A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER KENNEDY.
UH, I WILL NOW TAKE THE ROLE AND AS HAS BEEN NOTED, UH, COMMISSIONER HOLT DID ARRIVE AT SEVEN 50 AND HE HAS HEARD THE WHOLE ITEM.
UH, SO, UH, COMMISSIONER HOLTZ.
UH, COMMISSIONER HOTCAKES IS NOT PRESENT, UH, COMMISSIONER KENNEDY.
AND COMMISSIONER OR CHAIR HANG.
UH, THE MOTION PASSES, UH, FOUR ZERO.
[4. INITIATION OF CODE AMENDMENT NO. 20-08]
WE'RE GONNA DO THE INITIATION OF CODE AMENDMENT NUMBER 20 DASH OH EIGHT IS, UM, GENERALLY EXEMPT.THE APPLICANT IS CITY OF WEST COVINA DOWNTOWN PLAN AREA TO INITIATE A CODE AMENDMENT THAT CONSISTS OF CERTAIN CHANGES TO THE WEST COMMUNITY DOWNTOWN PLAN AND CODE AND WHO WILL BE, OH, JOANNE WILL.
YEAH, THE PLANNING MANAGER, JOANNE BURNS, UH, WILL BE PRESENTING THIS ITEM.
I WILL BE PRESENTING THE ITEM SINCE THIS IS A INITIATION OF A CODE AMENDMENT.
THERE IS NO POWERPOINT PRESENTATION, BUT I'LL GO AHEAD AND GIVE A BIT OF A BACKGROUND, UM, FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES.
UH, THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPTED A DOWNTOWN PLAN IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE GENERAL PLAN ON DECEMBER 20TH, 2016.
THE, THE DOWNTOWN PLAN IS A FORM BASED CODE, WHICH REGULATES DEVELOPMENT IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA OF WEST COVINA ON SINCE THE DOWNTOWN PLAN WAS ADOPTED, TWO SEPARATE CODE AMENDMENTS HAVE BEEN ADOPTED.
THE FIRST CODE AMENDMENT WAS ADOPTED IN AUGUST 21ST, 2018.
THIS WAS CONSIDERED A CLEANUP AMENDMENT THAT, THAT ADOPTED CERTAIN STANDARDS OR CHANGED CERTAIN DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS WITHIN THE CODE TO MAKE IT CONSISTENT, TO BIG AND MORE CONSISTENT.
AND ON DECEMBER 18, 2018 AS A SECOND CODE, AMEND MENTAL WAS ADOPTED, WHICH REVISED THE COMMERCIAL PARKING REQUIREMENTS IN THE
AND T FOR GENERAL URBAN ZONE TO REDUCE IT TO 65% OF THE PARKING STANDARDS REQUIRED IN THE MUNICIPAL CODE FOR NON RESIDENTIAL USES.
SINCE THEN A STAFF DID RECEIVE A LETTER OR REQUEST FROM ERIN TALARICO OF MLC HOLDINGS ON SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2020, REQUESTING A CODE AMENDMENT BE INITIATED TO CONSIDER OR DIFFERENT AMENDING FOR DIFFERENT ITEMS IN THE DOWNTOWN PLAN.
THE FIRST ITEM IS TO REVISE THE GROUND FLOOR HEIGHT, TO REFLECT GROUND FLOOR
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RESIDENTIAL USES FROM 12 FEET TO 10 FEET.SO IN THE DOWNTOWN PLAN, RESIDENTIAL USES ALL USES ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A CEILING HEIGHT OF 12 FEET AND, AND ALL OTHER FLOORS ARE REQUIRED, CAN BE A MINIMUM HEIGHT OF 10 FEET.
STAFF DOES BELIEVE THAT THIS PARTICULAR REQUEST IS, UM, IS ACCEPTABLE AND ALSO MAKES SENSE, UM, BECAUSE FOR, FOR RESIDENTIAL USES IN PARTICULAR, OKAY, IT'S THE HEIGHT THAT THE PLATE HEIGHT IS NOT HIGHER ON THE GROUND FLOOR, AND THIS IS THE PLATE HEIGHT BEING HIGHER ON THE GROUND FLOOR IS MORE TYPICAL FOR, FOR COMMERCIAL USES THIS.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THE REQUEST, STAFF WOULD ALSO LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT, THAT THE HEIGHT UP ON THE GROUND FLOOR BE INCREASED TO TWO HEIGHT HIGHER THAN, THAN THE 12 FEET FOR, FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES OR USES.
THE SECOND REQUEST IS TO ALLOW THE SAME AREA OF PRIVATE OPEN SPACE, WHICH WAS 100 SQUARE FEET ON UPPER LEVELS WITH A SMALLER MINIMUM, THEY MENTIONED OF SIX FEET.
SO WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS TO IS TO REDUCE THE MINIMUM.
THEY MENTIONED FROM EIGHT FEET TO SIX FEET, THEY ARE STILL GOING TO MEET THE MINIMUM THEY MENTIONED THE MINIMUM WITH, BUT NOT THE DEPTH.
UM, AND IN STAFF'S OPINION AND RECOMMENDATION, THIS, THIS DOES, THIS ALSO IS ACCEPTABLE AND, AND MAKES SENSE.
ARCHITECTURALLY, THE THIRD REQUEST IS REDUCED TO REDUCE THE MINIMUM WITH, OF INDIVIDUAL RURAL HOUSES FROM 18 FEET TO 16 FEET.
AND THE FOURTH REQUEST IS TO REMOVE THE MAXIMUM WITH REQUIREMENT FOR STOOPS IN THE, IN THE DOWNTOWN PLAN.
THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED FOR STOOPS IS EIGHT FEET, AND THIS MAY BE TOO RESTRICTIVE ARCHITECTURALLY, UM, HAVING, UM, HAVING A MAXIMUM DIMENSION FOR, FOR STOOPS ITSELF.
IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION INITIATES THE CODE AMENDMENT AND ADOPTS THE RESOLUTION, THE APPLICANT WILL GO AHEAD, WE'LL SUBMIT THE APPLICATION AND MOVE IN, MOVE FULL, AND WE WILL MOVE FORWARD IN PROCESSING THE CODE AMENDMENT.
THIS APPLICATION, THIS CODE AMENDMENT WILL BE PROCESSED WITH ANOTHER, WITH OTHER APPLICATIONS, FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF A SITE, A PARTICULAR SITE IN, WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN PLAN AREA.
IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR FOR THE REQUESTER, HE, UH, HIS TEAM IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
DO WE HAVE, WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO DO ERRANDS HERE.
I'D LIKE TO, UH, MAYBE CAN COME UP AND JUST KIND OF GIVE US THE BACKGROUND AND EXPLAIN HOW THIS ALL FITS.
A CHAIR, HANG AND COMMISSIONERS.
AND THANK YOU FOR HEARING US TONIGHT.
I WILL TELL YOU, I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT BEING HERE AT THIS HEARING BECAUSE MOST OF OUR HEARINGS HAVE BEEN VIRTUAL OVER THE LAST SIX MONTHS.
AND, UM, WHEN MATT SAID WE'D BE ABLE TO COME IN PERSON, I SAID, OH, WE'RE GOING.
UM, MY NAME IS AARON TALARICO I'M WITH MLC HOLDINGS.
WHEN THE LAND COMPANY WE, UH, ENTITLED AND BUILT NOW AND ARE SELLING THE CAMERON 56 DEVELOPMENT HERE ON WEST CAMERON.
AND, UH, SO FAR, DO YOU WANT TO KEEP THIS ON OR, OH, UH, SO FAR WE'VE SOLD, UM, 30 TO 56 HOMES AND YEAH, IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN GREAT EVEN WITH COVID AND SOME OF THESE INFILL PROJECTS WE HAVE HAVE SLOWED DOWN VERSUS MAYBE SOME OF THE STUFF, INLAND EMPIRE, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, BUT WE'RE STILL SELLING VERY STRONG HERE.
THERE'S STILL A LOT OF DEMAND.
UM, I THINK ULTIMATELY IT JUST SPEAKS TO THE DOWNTOWN PLAN AND WHAT YOU GUYS ENVISIONED AND THAT TRANSECT OF PRIVATE TO PUBLIC SPACE, UM, WHERE YOU GO HIGHER DENSITY INTERNAL HERE FROM CITY HALL OUT, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT OUR KIND OF THREE STORY TOWN, LITTLE, LITTLE LESS DENSE.
AND THEN TO THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS IT'S WORKED OUT REALLY WELL.
UM, SO JOANNE, THANK YOU FOR THAT, UH, UH, EXPLANATION, WHAT WE ASKED FOR ACTUALLY OF THESE FOUR ITEMS. I INITIALLY, WHEN
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MATT MAEHARA, WHO'S THE PROJECT MANAGER ON, ON THE PROJECT WE'RE WORKING ON NOW, UH, WHICH IS ALSO RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO CAMERA 56.UH, WE ALSO HAVE A SITE, THE VINCENT SCHOOL SITE AS WELL.
WE'RE WORKING ON, UM, THAT MATS ALSO DOING LIKE WE INITIALLY I INITIALLY THOUGHT WE WERE JUST GOING FOR THE SIX MINIMUM FOOT MINIMUM DIMENSION VERSUS EIGHT.
AND THEN AS I THINK, HIMSELF AND JOANNE KIND OF DUG IN, AND THEN WE HAVE A, UH, YOHANNA WHO WORKS WITH US, LOOKED AT THE FORM BASED CODE.
THERE CAME A FEW OTHER ITEMS THAT CAME UP AND WERE LIKE, OH, YIKES.
AND I GO, MATT, IT'S ONE THING IF WE ASKED FOR ONE THING AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE'S FOUR THINGS.
UM, BUT JUST SO YOU KNOW, OF THE FOUR ITEMS, THE GROUND FLOOR HEIGHT AT 12.
SO ON CAMERA 56, WE HAVE GROUND FLOOR HEIGHTS AT 10 OR 11 AND A HALF ON THE, ON THE, UM, UNITS RUNNING WEST CAMERON WITH THE STOOPS.
AND THEN ON THE INTERNAL ONES ARE 10 FEET.
SO I GUESS SOMEHOW THAT GOT, UM, THROUGH, WITHOUT THE AMENDMENT AND THEN THE UPPER FLOOR OPEN SPACE.
UH, AGAIN, WE DO HAVE UPPER FLOOR BALCONIES ON CAMERA FOR THESE SIX THAT ARE SIX FOOT MINIMUM DIMENSION, NOT EIGHT.
AND THEN ALSO JUST, WE PULLED A FEW CODES, JUST SO FOR REFERENCE FOR THE COMMISSIONERS, UM, ALHAMBRA, POMONA, WHITTIER, GLENDORA, MONTE, THEY ALL SIX FOOT IS A PRETTY TYPICAL MINIMUM.
SO WE THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE A GOOD AMENDMENT TO THE CODE.
IT ALLOWS US MORE FLEXIBILITY, ULTIMATELY ALL THESE JUST ALLOW FOR MORE FLEXIBILITY, UM, SO THAT THIS DOWNTOWN, UH, CODE CAN BE IMPLEMENTED AS I THINK YOU GUYS ENVISIONED, UH, TANDEM TOWNHOMES 18 RIGHT NOW AS A MINIMUM TO 16.
SO THAT'S JUST OUR STANDARD, UM, TANDEM TOWNHOME DIMENSION.
UH, YOU'LL SEE IT ON OUR VINCENT PROJECT AS WELL.
UH, AND THEN STOOP DIMENSIONS.
YEAH, THAT JUST REALLY, I GUESS, UM, IT TAKES AWAY FROM THE IT, THE CREATIVITY OR THE KIND OF THE FOREMAN ULTIMATE FORM BASED CODES OR FORM MORE THAN ANYTHING.
AND, UM, AS LONG AS, I GUESS, HOPEFULLY WE'RE STILL, UM, NOT BEING RESPECTED FOR THE INTENT OF IT.
HOPEFULLY THAT WASN'T TOO WINDED AND I'M AVAILABLE OR MATT IS FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT THESE WHICH YOU'RE PROPOSING ARE MORE OR LESS INDUSTRY STANDARDS? IS THAT WHAT IT SOUNDS? YES.
WE DON'T HAVE THE EXACT SAME CAUSE WE LIKE TO KEEP MOST OF OUR COMMUNITY UNIQUE, BUT WE'VE GOT SIMILAR THREE-STORY TOWN PRODUCT THAT WE'RE DEVELOPING THAT.
STANDARD IS ANSWERING THE QUESTION.
SO LET ME, LET ME, UM, I GUESS AS YOUR QUESTION, SO INSTEAD OF 12 FEET, DO YOU WANT US TO LOWER IT TO 10 FEET HEIGHTS? THE FIRST FLOOR? YEAH, JUST ON THE INTERIOR UNITS ON WEST CAMERON, WE STILL HAVE AN 11 AND A HALF FEET OR JUST SIX INCHES SHORT THEY'RE 18 INCHES DEEP.
WELL, BECAUSE THE HEIGHT IS NOT THERE.
WE GET SQUEEZED AT THE TOP CAUSE WE HAVE A HEIGHT LIMIT AS WELL.
AND THAT'S ULTIMATELY WHAT HAPPENS.
WE WOULD END UP WITH LIKE A SEVEN FOOT PLATE SOMEWHERE ON ONE OF THE FLOORS, WHICH JUST DOESN'T, WHICH IS NOT IDEAL.
YOU WANT AT LEAST A MINIMUM EIGHT FOOT CEILING HEIGHT.
SO THAT'S ULTIMATELY WHEN I WAS WITH A 35 FOOT HEIGHT.
UM, AND WHETHER YOU'RE DOING FLAT OR WHETHER YOU'RE DOING SOME SORT OF PICTURE, IF YOU STILL END UP HITTING RIGHT ON 35, IF MOST, UM, UH, JURISDICTIONS THAT WE'RE WORKING IN AND WHEN WE'RE HAVING A SIMILAR PRODUCT, WE USUALLY THESE THINGS GO, I THINK, IN MAC AND CORRECT ME, BUT I THINK 37 38 FEET IS THE TYPICAL HEIGHT FOR THE THREE STORY TOWN.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE WENT TO 12, THOSE NEXT FLOORS WOULD GET PINCHED FROM THAT TOP.
SO LET ME ASK YOU THIS, BECAUSE THIS IS A FORM TYPE BUILDING AND WE HAVE A HEIGHT LIMITATION FOR YOU.
AND I DEALY, IT SEEMS LIKE YOU WANT TO BUILD, I GUESS, CURRENT STORY RIGHT NOW FOR EACH FLOOR.
WHAT IS THE STANDARD RIGHT NOW? NOT IN WEST COVINA, BUT YOUR STANDARDS EITHER EIGHT OR NINE FEET OR NINE.
NINE IS IDEAL WHEN YOU'RE DOING A TOWNHOME VERSUS EIGHT.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN WHAT THE TRADITIONAL IN THE OLD DAYS.
RIGHT? SO YOU'RE SHORT AND HEIGHTS IS THERE INSTEAD CHANGING THE CODE AND SINCE THIS IS A FORM TYPE OF BUILDING, WILL WE BE ABLE TO BE FLEXIBLE TO GIVE YOU THE HEIGHTS THAT YOU NEEDED? I THINK MAYBE THAT HAPPENED ON CAMERA FOR 86, CAUSE WE'RE 10 AND A HALF FEET THERE.
AND THAT WAS, YEAH, CAUSE OBVIOUSLY I, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE BUILDING 50 HOME OR A HUNDRED HOMES, I LIKE FOR YOU TO BUILD TO TODAY'S STANDARDS, NOT WHAT IT WAS 20, 30, 50 YEARS AGO.
SO ESPECIALLY THIS IS IN A DOWNTOWN AREA.
AND IF THERE, INSTEAD OF CHANGING OUR CODE, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN, I'M NOT SURE.
SO I I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY ARE YOU LOOKING FOR THESE LITTLE FINAL FOOT HERE, TWO FEET THERE.
I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND LIKE THERE'S FOUR, FOUR DIFFERENT ITEMS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
SO THE FIRST ONE IS BECAUSE THE HEIGHT LIMITATIONS THAT WE HAVE, AND YOU'RE NOT ADDING UP OR NOT GETTING THE HEIGHT THAT YOU WANT WITH TODAY'S HEIGHT.
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NOW THE SECOND ONE ALLOW THE SAME AREA, PRIVATE OPEN SPACE, A HUNDRED SQUARE FOOT.YOU'RE GOING TO STILL GIVE A HUNDRED SQUARE FOOT, BUT YOU WANT US TO REDUCE IT TO SIX FEET, THE MINIMUM DIMENSION, YEAH.
VERSUS EIGHT FEET RIGHT NOW IT'S EIGHT FEET.
ANY PARTICULAR REASON WHY SIX FEET VERSUS IT? THAT IS JUST, THAT IS AN INDUSTRY.
STANDARD IS SIX FEET MINIMUM, UM, THAT PROVIDES THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF SPACE TO BE ABLE TO PUT YOUR CHAIR AT YOUR TABLE AND STILL HAVE PLENTY OF ROOM OR YOUR BARB BARBECUE FOR THAT MATTER.
UM, MOST JURISDICTION WE WORK IN INCLUDING ACTUALLY HERE, WHEN WE DID CAMERA FOR THESE SIX, WE DID DO A SIX FOOT MINIMUM.
UM, SO IT'S JUST, OH, DO YOU WITH A HUNDRED FOOT, DID YOU GET TO OVER JUST ONE AREA OR TWO AREAS? IT WAS USUALLY A SPACE DOWN BELOW PLUS A BALCONY.
SO IF IT'S 18 FEET, YOU CAN'T VERY WELL GIVE US EIGHT FEET BECAUSE YOU WANT THE 18 TO REDUCE TO 16 FEET, THE ROLLOUT.
OH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ROW HOUSE NOW.
WELL, THE TOP KIND OF AFFECTED BY THE THIRD AS WELL, BECAUSE THE THIRD, THE ROW HOUSES, 18 FEET, THE WIDTH, I BELIEVE.
THE MINIMUM IS 18 FEET AND WE WANT THE 16 FEET.
I HAVE, YOU CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH EIGHT FEET AND YOU NEED TO BE DOING IT A LITTLE BIT LESS TO SIX.
AND THEN THE LAST ONE, EXPLAIN THAT THE LAST ONE, WHY WOULD YOU NEED ON THE STOOP DIMENSIONS REMOVING THE MAXIMUM WIDTH? I BELIEVE WE DO HAVE SOME STOOPS THAT ARE ABOVE, UH, THE EIGHT FOOT MAXIMUM WITH A REDO AND EXPLAIN WHAT A STOOP IS.
OH, IT'S THE ENTRY FEATURE INTO.
SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE CAMERON 56, UH, UM, DEVELOPMENTAL WEST CAMERON, YOU HAVE THE STEP UPS THAT GIVE IT THAT STREET SCENE THAT ALLOW THAT FIRST FLOOR TO LIVE ABOVE THE SIDEWALK, WHICH IS KIND OF AN URBAN DESIGN.
SO YOU WANTED, WE DON'T WANT TO BE, UM, CONSTRICTED ON IF IT'S MORE, IT'S MORE, I THINK THE MAX WIDTH IS EIGHT FEET.
AND I THINK WE'VE GOT ONES THAT ARE GREATER.
I MEAN, DO YOU MIND IF MATT, MATT ACTUALLY KNOWS THAT SPECIFIC DETAIL BETTER THAN I DO? HI, MY NAME IS MY NAME IS MATT MAHARA MERITAGE HOMES.
I'M THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR, FOR, UH, UM, THE, THE, UH, THE PROJECT.
AND, UM, REALLY WHAT IT IS, IS IN THE, IN THE DOWNTOWN PLAN.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A MAXIMUM STOOP DIMENSION.
UM, WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE THE STOOP EXTEND ACROSS THE WIDTH OF EACH TOWNHOME TO CREATE A MORE OPEN SPACE, UM, YOU KNOW, MORE OPEN, LIVABLE, USABLE SPACE.
UM, SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE, WE'RE JUST DON'T WANT TO BE RESTRICTED TO HAVING A MAXIMUM DIMENSION.
SO EXPLAIN TO ME, CAUSE CURRENTLY THE MAXIMUM IS EIGHT FEET.
WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO SINCE THE ROWS ONLY 16 FEET.
SO, UH, ON, ON CERTAIN TOWNHOMES WHERE WE'RE, UM, WIDENING THE STOOP TO THE LENGTH OF EACH TOWNHOME TO CREATE A MORE LIVABLE, ENJOYABLE.
SO THE WHOLE FRONT IS MORE LIKE A BALCONY THE WHOLE FRONT PORCH.
SO WE DON'T WANT TO BE RESTRICTED TO THAT, OR AT LEAST OUR CURRENT DESIGN CONFLICTS WITH THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE CODE AS IT'S WRITTEN.
IT DOES CLARIFY WHY YOU GUYS NEEDED FOUR ITEMS. GO AHEAD.
IS IF, IS IF THE COMMISSION, UM, YOU KNOW, HAS THE ADOPTS INTENTION TO MOVE FORWARD, WE CAN PROVIDE EXHIBITS AND TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE DESCRIPTIVE.
SO IT'S EASIER FOR US TO POINT AT IT AND SHOW EXACTLY WHERE IT OCCURS ON OUR SITES.
SO WE HAVE COMMISSIONED DISCUSSIONS BEFORE WE OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WELL, THE OTHER WAY FOR US OR OPEN TO PUBLIC FOR COMMENTS, IT'S NOT NO PUBLICS.
UM, OVERALL, UM, JUST, JUST AS A REMINDER, THIS CODE AMENDMENT, UM, WILL APPLY TO ALL AREAS IN THE DOWNTOWN PLAN.
UM, AND NOT JUST FOR A SPECIFIC PROJECT.
AND OVERALL STAFF FEELS THAT THESE CODE AMENDMENTS WOULD, WOULD BENEFIT THE DOWNTOWN PLAN BECAUSE IT IMPROVES IT.
IT ALLOWS CREATIVITY WITHIN THE ARCHITECTURE OF AN IN DESIGN.
SO IT'S, UM, STAFF IS IN SUPPORT OF THIS PARTICULAR OR THE, OF THESE PARTICULAR CODE AMENDMENTS.
AND CAN I HAVE, UM, AARON TO COME UP AGAIN? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR HIM.
IT SEEMS LIKE THESE BUILDINGS THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO BUILD, HOW MANY STORIES ARE THERE, THE THREE STORY.
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THE FIRST STORIES TO BE 10 FOOT, THE SECOND STORY TO BE ANOTHER 10 AND THEN THE THIRD IS 10 FOOT.SO BASICALLY THE FIRST ONE IS A GARAGE.
THE SECOND ONE IS THE, I WOULD ASSUME KITCHEN AND MAYBE A LITTLE BATHROOM.
AND THEN THE THIRD STORY WOULD BE THE LIVABLE BEDROOMS, TWO OR THREE BEDROOMS. IDEALLY IT DEPENDS ON THE UNIT.
UM, BUT YEAH, THE SECOND STORY'S USUALLY THE LIVING SPACE.
AND THEN, BUT THERE IS SOME UNITS THAT HAVE A BEDROOM ON THAT FLOOR AS WELL.
AND THEN, YEAH, THE MASTER BEDROOM AND OTHER SECONDARY BEDROOMS ARE ON THE THIRD FLOOR.
UM, IT WOULD BE IT'S NINE TO 10 FEET ON THE FIRST FLOOR, BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO, YOU'VE GOT THE PA LIKE THE, BETWEEN FLOORS IS ABOUT A FOOT AND A HALF, AND THEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER NINE FOOT AND THERE'S A FOOT AND A HALF.
AND THEN ANOTHER NINE FOOT, LIKE IF YOU DID NINE FOOT CEILINGS AND THEN YOU HAVE THE PITCH OF THE ROOF, ULTIMATELY, WHEN WE, IF YOU JUST SAID, HEY, AARON SHOWS YOU LIKE THIS PRODUCT FROM YOUR ARCHITECT OR THIS THREE STORY TOWN.
WHAT'S A TYPICALLY IT'S TYPICALLY ABOUT 37, 38 FEET TALL.
WE ACTUALLY BRING IT, SQUEEZE IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT TO GET UNDERNEATH THE 35 FOOT HEIGHT LIMIT OF THE CODE.
SO YOUR NEW BUILDING NOW, DO YOU NEED IT? 37 FOOT HEIGHTS.
AND WHAT DO WE HAVE IN OUR CITY IS ONLY 35 FOOT 35 FOR THREE FOR THE THREE STORY.
SO HE SHOULD A FEW FEET, BUT, BUT WE'RE FINE.
WE WE'VE ADJUSTED ALREADY TO GET UNDERNEATH THE 35 FEET JUST LIKE WE DID AT CAMERA 56.
WELL, LIKE ON VINCENT, WHEN YOU SEE VINCENT, I BELIEVE IN MAKIN, CORRECT ME, BUT I BELIEVE THAT THREE STORY TOWN IS 37 FEET TALL, BUT IT'S NOT IN THE DOWNTOWN PLAN.
WELL, AARON, SINCE WE'RE WORKING ON REVISING OUR PLAN, I LIKE TO HEAR WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING TODAY TO THE NEW BUILDINGS? LIKE IF YOU NEEDED 37 FEET? WELL, INSTEAD OF TRYING TO ADJUST IT TO PACK IT INTO 35 FEET OR SO, WELL, WE'LL FIND A WAY ADJUSTING THE PLANT OR ADJUSTING THE CODE IF HE CAN.
I'LL COMMISSIONER, BUT WE ALSO NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
WHAT, WHAT IS NEW DEVELOPMENT IS LOOKING FOR? WE DON'T HEAR THAT OFTEN ENOUGH.
AND I GUESS INSTEAD OF CHANGING A CODE, DO WE NEED TO LOOK AT OUR CODE AND SAY, HEY, LOOK, IF THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE ARE DOING OUT THERE, DEVELOPERS THE NEWER BUILDINGS, SHOULD WE WORK WITH THE DEVELOPERS AND LEARN OURSELVES? BECAUSE I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT IS, IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE SAYING TODAY'S CODE IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE NINE FOOT, 10 FOOT IS STANDARD HEIGHTS FOR THE HEIGHT OF THE CEILING VERSUS TRADITIONALLY WE LIVE IN AN EIGHT FOOT, I GUESS.
80% OF THE HOUSES IN LA MIGHT BE RIGHT NOW.
WE BUILT A LONG TIME AGO THAT IT WAS EIGHT FOOT HEIGHT.
SO IF OUR CODE IS, YOU CAN SAY, NEED TO BE WORKED ON, WE WILL WE'LL WORK ON AND HAVE A DISCUSSION.
AND I LIKE TO HAVE AN AN AND THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING SOME OF THE QUESTIONS.
AND I MEAN, JUST WEST COVINA, YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN ACTUALLY VERY IN STAFF AND MARK AND JOANNE, VERY HELPFUL WE'RE AS YOU CAN TELL, BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF MONEY AND TIME WE'RE INVESTING IN WEST COVINA, WE REALLY LIKE WORKING WITH THIS CITY.
UM, UH, MAYBE THE ONLY SUGGESTION MAYBE WOULD BE IF IN THE DOWNTOWN PLANNING CODE, THERE WAS CERTAIN THINGS WHERE THE PLANNING DIRECTOR, COMEY DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR HAD DISCRETION TO MAKE CERTAIN DECISIONS, AS LONG AS IT WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE INTENT OF THE CODE.
SOMETIMES WE SEE THAT IN CODES.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S IN THE DOWNTOWN PLANNING CODE.
CAUSE I MEAN, KIND OF WHEN WE THOUGHT IT WAS JUST ONE ISSUE AND THERE WE GO, THEN IT'S FORESTERS AND IT'S REALLY LIKE A MATTER OF FEET HERE AND THERE IT'S REALLY NOTHING.
WE'RE NOT GOING, HEY, WE WANT THE MOON AND IT'S JUST, I NEED A FOOT HERE.
SO MAYBE SOME DISCRETION TO THE PLANNING DIRECTOR CAN BE DEVELOPED IN VECTOR.
THAT WOULD BE AN IDEA WHILE I'M AT IT.
DO YOU BUILDING THESE RURAL HEART HOUSE, THE VERY PACK AND I KNOW OUR MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR OPEN SPACE.
IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN, I'M NOT SAYING, YOU KNOW, YOU DO FOLLOW THE CODE THAT WE HAVE, BUT A HUNDRED SQUARE FOOT IS A 10 BY 10.
WELL, YOU KNOW, AT ABOUT, SO IS THERE ANY WAY THAT YOU CAN BUILD IT IN A WAY THAT USE THE ROOFTOP FOR OPEN SPACE? YEAH.
WELL, I THINK ACTUALLY SHARING, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS ON THE CAMERA 56 AND THERE ARE CERTAIN SITUATIONS, SITUATIONS WHERE THAT DOES MAKE SENSE.
UM, RIGHT NOW, I MEAN, IF YOU'LL SEE IT, IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE VERY CORE LA IN THE MIDDLE OF LA OR VERY COASTAL, BUT THIS MARKET HASN'T ASKED FOR THE ROOFTOP DECKS YET FROM A BUYER.
CAUSE ALL OF A SUDDEN THE ROOFTOP DECK IS LIKE BUILDING A FOURTH STORY FROM A STRUCTURAL AND EVEN FROM A COST.
SO MIKE, THE COST, WE'RE GOING TO GO AT A MINIMUM 15% FOR EACH TOWNHOME.
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THIS IN COSTA MESA WITH A ROOFTOP DECK.IT'S LIKE 30% HIGHER FROM A COST STANDPOINT, THEN THE CAMERA 56, WHICH I THINK CAMERA FOR THESE THINGS CAME OUT BEAUTIFUL.
UM, SO THAT'S THE BIGGEST THING.
I THINK A LOT OF, UH, BUILDERS WOULD HAVE TROUBLE GOING WITH A ROOFTOP DECK.
SO THE INCREASE OF COST IS ABOUT 30%.
YOU GUYS WOULD INCREASE THE COST OF THE HOUSE OR THE PURCHASE PRICE OF THE HOUSE THEY'RE ALREADY EXPENSIVE, RIGHT? YEAH.
HOW MUCH ARE THEY GOING FOR THE 30 HOME THAT YOU SELL? UH, THEY'RE SELLING IN THE, I THINK IT'S A MID TO HIGH FIVE HUNDREDS.
SO I'M AT NO THEY'RE IN THE SIX HUNDREDS ACTUALLY I CAN GET BACK TO YOU AND I CAN EMAIL YOU THE EXACT LATEST PRICING, BUT THEY, UM, CHEAP, BUT THEY'RE ALSO NOT A MILL, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY ALSO GET WAY UP THERE TO NOT ATTAINABLE.
LET'S STILL FHA, WHICH IS KEY.
I'M JUST THINKING THAT IT'S SO TIGHT AND THAT WHOLE ROLL TYPE OF HOME, IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE MORE OPEN SPACE, BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE COST IS VERY LIMITING WELL, BUT SO THEN WITH THE FORM BASED ON THE DENTAL IMPLANT, I THINK THE IDEA WHERE YEAH, A HUNDRED SQUARE FOOT PRIVATE OPEN SPACE, LIKE IN POMONA, WE'RE DOING A SIMILAR PROJECT AND THEIR MINIMUM 60 SQUARE FEET OF OPEN SPACE.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT A ROOFTOP, IF HE CAN MAKE USE OF IT AND PROVIDE, BECAUSE LAND IS JUST SO EXPENSIVE NOWADAYS, ESPECIALLY IN THE INFILL AREA AND IF HE CAN PROVIDE MORE, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW THAT REGARDING THE FACT THAT IT'S 30%.
I GUESS FOR YOU HAVING COMMISSIONED DISCUSSIONS OR ANYONE HAS MORE QUESTIONS, WELL, I'M JUST, I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION, INITIATING YOUR CODE AMENDMENT AND THE WEST COVINA DOWNTOWN PLANNING CODE THAT WE CAN ADDED THE FOOTAGE, THE HEIGHT, OR DO WE NEED TO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING FOR THAT? IF THE MAKER OF THE MOTION IN THE SECONDARY WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT AS AN ADDITIONAL CODE AMENDMENT THAT CAN CERTAINLY BE DONE.
I LIKE TO INK, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HEIGHTS WOULD, WHAT NORMALLY WOULD BE.
SO WITH THE ROOF AND ALL BECAUSE YOU HAD THREE FLOOR PLUS ROOF, CAN I HAVE YOU COME BACK AGAIN? I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS GONNA, THE TYPICAL HEIGHT IS 37, SIX AT THE RIDGE.
MY ONLY CONCERN WITH, IF WE ADDED THE HEIGHT TO WHEN THIS DOES GO OUT TO PUBLIC NOTICING, THAT WOULD BE ONE THING THAT MAYBE NEIGHBORS WILL WAIT A SECOND.
I DO KNOW IN THE PAST THERE WAS CONCERNS WITH HEIGHT ADJACENT TO SINGLE FAMILY.
I KNOW IT'S ONLY TWO AND A HALF FEET IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, BUT I KNOW THAT, UM, LIKE I, THE LAST QUOTE AMENDMENT ACTUALLY STEPPED US BACK FROM SINGLE FAMILY, WHICH I THINK WAS A REALLY SMART MOVE THAT NEEDED TO HAPPEN.
UM, SO THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY COMMON, BUT IT'S 36 FEET, SEVEN 37 FEET, SIX INCHES IS WHAT OUR TYPICAL THREE STORYTOWN HEIGHT IS.
I GUESS WE CAN, UM, WE'LL HAVE A COMMISSION DISCUSSIONS.
I GUESS ONE OF THE THING IS WE HAVE MAKE THESE ADJUSTMENTS IN WHEN THE PLAN COMES TO US.
IF THERE'S A CAUSE RIGHT NOW WE DON'T, I DON'T EXACTLY KNOW WHERE THE RESIDENTS LIVE AND WHAT HAVE YOU, WILL IT AFFECT THOSE AREAS AS WELL.
IF RESIDENTS LIVE AROUND THAT AREA AND WE'LL TAKE OVER THIS PARTICULAR CHANGES THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING FOR, OR WILL YOU BE STEPPING IN IF THERE'S RESIDENTS SITTING AS JOANNE POINTED OUT EARLIER, THESE CHANGES WOULD BE MADE TO THE ENTIRE DOWNTOWN, A SPECIFIC PLANNING AREA.
SO IF THE COMMISSION DID MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT AS A, UH, AREA TO LOOK AT, IT WOULD APPLY DISTRICT-WIDE IN THE DOWNTOWN PLAN AREA, CORRECT? YES.
IT'S NOT CITY WIDE, IT'S A DELTA, BUT WHAT ABOUT DOWNTOWN PLAN THAT LINE WITH RESIDENTIAL AREA, RESIDENTIAL HOME? HOW DO WE HANDLE THAT PORTION? THE STANDARD CODE STANDARDS DO APPLY A DISTRICTWIDE
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AND DON'T KNOW, JOANNE, UM, DID THE DETAILS OF THE CODE IF THERE ARE DIFFERENT STANDARDS WITHIN.SO IT WOULD, IT WOULD APPLY TO PROPERTIES THAT, THAT TOO, IT WOULD ALSO APPLY TO PROPERTIES ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL.
FOR INSTANCE, THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS NE HAS RESIDENTIAL BEHIND IT.
SO, SO IF YOU WANT TO STEP IN PORTION, WE NEED TO ALSO ADD THAT AS WELL.
INSTEAD OF HAVING 30 SOMETHING FEET STRAIGHT UP WALL NEXT TO A RESIDENTIAL ONE STORY BUILDING, I BELIEVE THERE IS, THERE IS ALREADY SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN THE CODE, SO, OKAY.
SO IF THEY'RE NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL AREA, THEY KIND OF HAVE TO STEP IN FOR THE FIRST I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.
AND SINCE YOU, UM, AND I MEAN, I THINK COMMISSIONER REYNOLDS MIGHT REMEMBER, BUT WHEN THE LAST AMENDMENT CAME THROUGH, SO CAMERON 56, WE ACTUALLY COULD NOT BUILD CAMERON 56 WITH THE DOWNTOWN PLAN CODE TODAY, EVEN THOUGH WE DID DO A STEP DOWN TO TWO STORY, WE'RE ONLY LIKE FOUR FEET AWAY FROM THAT EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY.
HOWEVER, YOU NEED TO BE ON 25 FEET AWAY, BUT THAT, THAT WAS A NEW THING.
IT USED TO BE, YOU COULD BE RIGHT UP AGAINST THE SINGLE FAMILY IN WHICH WE SAW THE ISSUE WITH.
UM, WHEN WE DID CAMERA 56, THAT'S WHY WE STEPPED DOWN, EVEN THOUGH WE ARE STILL FIVE FOOT AWAY.
SO THAT WAS, THERE WAS A LOT OF THOUGHT PUT INTO THAT, UH, WITH THE, UM, WELL THE SAME THOUGHT BE PUT INTO THIS NEW PROJECT.
THIS NEW PROJECT, WE'RE ACTUALLY A FULL 25 FEET AWAY FROM ANY SINGLE FAMILY WHERE BEFORE WE WERE ONLY FIVE FEET AWAY.
THANK YOU, CHAIR, HANG AND COMMISSIONERS.
UM, IF I MAY MAKE A SUGGESTION THIS MATTER IS BEFORE THE COMMISSION, BECAUSE AN APPLICANT IS SEEKING THESE PARTICULAR AMENDMENTS.
SO IF YOU'RE IN AND IF YOU APPROVE THIS RESOLUTION OF INTENTION, THERE THEY'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH AN APPLICATION AND ASSOCIATED FEES.
IF YOU'RE CONSIDERING POTENTIALLY OTHER AMENDMENTS THAT MIGHT BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR SEPARATE DISCUSSION.
WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE SECOND OF A MOTION.
UM, WHAT DO YOU MEAN A SECOND? OKAY.
UM, I'M, I'M NOT FOR CHANGING ANY CODES, BUT ON THESE, THIS IS PRETTY SIMPLE.
AND I THINK IT'LL BENEFIT, UH, UM, CONTRACTORS IN THE FUTURE TO GIVE THEM MORE FLEXIBILITY.
I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO DO SOME EVENTUALLY.
HOPEFULLY WE GET SOME PROJECT AT THE MALL AND THIS, THIS WILL GIVE THEM EXTREME FLEXIBILITY.
AND CAN YOU ROLL CALL PLEASE? YES.
SO TO CONFIRM, UM, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER RED HOLTZ AND COME SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HOLTZ TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE, UH, CODE AMENDMENT 20 DASH ZERO EIGHT AND, UM, COMMISSIONER HOLTS, UH, COMMISSIONER KENNEDY, COMMISSIONER RED HOLTS EYE AND CHAIR HANG AYE.
SO STAFF WILL BE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE, UH, CODE AMENDMENT AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL SEE THIS CODE AMENDMENT, UH, AT THE SAME TIME THAT THE PROJECT IS MOVING FORWARD.
CAN YOU LEAVE YOUR, UM, FILL OUT THE FORMS OR LEAVE A CONTACT NUMBER? THANK YOU.
AND GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR PROJECT
[COMMISSION REPORTS/COMMENTS AND MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS]
COMMISSIONED REPORT COMMENTS AND MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS, BUT ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER LIKES TO MAKE A COMMENT OR REPORT? YOU KNOW WHAT, JUST REALLY, REALLY, REALLY QUICK.I'M SEEING A LOT OF ARTICLES IN THE PAPER ABOUT SOME INTERESTING NEW CONCEPTS.
THERE'S ONE CALLED RODEO 39, WHICH I SAW IN THE PAPER IT'S IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY, THEY'RE PUTTING THIS 42,000 SQUARE FOOT SPACE IN THE TINY CITY OF STANTON WHERE IT'S IT'S, IT'S A CLEVER USE IT'S FOOD THERE IT'S IT'S UM, SHOPS, IT'S ENTERTAINMENT.
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THERE'S EVEN A, A WORLD RENOWN.WE, I KNOW WE HAVE A WORLD RENOWNED TATTOO GUY IN WEST COBY IN AUCKLAND DOOR, BUT THERE'S ANOTHER ONE WHO IS JUST HE'S HE'S IN PARIS, HE'S IN LAS VEGAS, HE'S IN LONDON AND HE'S, HE'S BRINGING A STUDIO, HIS FIRST ONE TO, TO THE U S IN STANTON AT THIS RODEO, IT'S CALLED RODALE 39.
AND, YOU KNOW, I EVEN TALKED TO, UH, THE CITY MANAGER ABOUT THE OTHER DAY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HE KNOWS THE DEVELOPER, THAT'S DOING THIS.
SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF INTERESTING CONCEPTS OUT THERE THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE US PURSUING, AT LEAST TALKING TO THESE DEVELOPERS.
WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, ARE SPACES THAT WE, GOD KNOWS WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE MALL.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN OVER THERE.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S INTERESTING NEW, FRESH IDEAS THAT ARE BEING OFFERED.
THIS IS KIND OF THE WAY IT WAS EXPLAINED.
IT'S, IT'S A FOOD HALL CONCEPT, BUT IT'S TAKING IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL.
AND I THINK WEST COVINA NEEDS TO CONTINUE TO BE A CREATIVE FORCE BECAUSE RETAIL IT'S ALL CHANGING, MEANING I THINK IT WAS CHANGING ANYWAY, PRIOR TO COVID, BUT THIS HAS REALLY FORCED PEOPLE TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT HOW TO USE SPACE.
AND IF YOU GET A CHANCE, IF YOU GOOGLE RODALE 39, YOU'LL SEE WHAT THEY TALKING TO THE GUY'S NAME IS DAN AHLQUIST.
AND, YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S WAYS TO, TO, TO CONTINUE TO GROW AND DEVELOP AND BRING IN REVENUE TO THE CITY WITHOUT GOING TO THE TAXPAYERS.
AND I ALSO LIKE TO SAY AN AD THAT WE HAVE RECENTLY, WE HAVE QUITE A FEW BIG PROJECTS IN OUR CITY ONCE IT'S DONE, OR WHEN THEY'RE FINISHED PORTION OF THE BUILDING, I THINK ALL THE COMMISSIONERS OR STAFF WE SHOULD VISIT THE ONE THAT'S ALSO BEING BUILT IN OUR CITY AS WELL.
AND THE RODALE, THANK YOU FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, RECOMMENDING THE RODALE 39.
WE SHOULD ALSO TAKE SOME TIME IF WE CAN GO AND VISIT THESE THE SITE.
AND IN PARTICULAR, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN SCHEDULE FOR PLANNING COMMISSIONERS TO VISIT WHAT'S BEING BUILT IN WEST COVINA.
CAUSE SOME OF THESE PROJECTS ARE BEAUTIFUL.
WE APPROVED HOMES THAT ARE FROM 12,000 SQUARE FOOT, OVER 10,000 SQUARE FOOT, TWO ROW HOME, THAT, THAT THE GENTLEMAN ERIN WAS HERE, THAT, THAT THEY HAD TO BUILD, YOU KNOW, 50 HOMES AT A TIME.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME AFTER THEY FINISHED BUILDING, I DON'T THINK WE ACTUALLY VISITED WHAT WAS APPROVED.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DOING, YOU KNOW WHAT WHAT'S TODAY? SO I WAS WONDERING, PERHAPS MAYBE WE HAVE A LIST OF WHAT'S COMPLETED OR ALMOST DONE THAT WE CAN GO AND VISIT JUST LIKE THE ONE THAT WE JUST FINISHED VISITING THE MURALS GARDEN.
HOW THEY BUILT, YOU KNOW, EACH OF THEIR HOMES, THE LOBBY AREA, THE HEIGHT IS NICE AND HIGH IN IT'S BRIGHT.
THEY ALSO, EVEN THOUGH THEY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF LAND ON THE GROUND LEVEL, BUT ON THE TOP OF IT, THAT WHOLE GROWTH WAS USED FOR A, YOU CAN SAY A YARD DECK, WHAT DO YOU CALL THOSE THINGS? IT'S BEAUTIFUL.
YOU GET THE VIEW, YOU GET THE SUN, YOU GET THE LANDSCAPING, IT'S ALL VERY PRIVATE AND IT'S ALL UP THERE.
I MEAN, A LOT OF US WERE THERE THAT FUNNY, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD VISIT MORE LIKE, YOU KNOW, HAVE AN AGENDA AND SAY, OKAY, THIS PROJECT IS BE APPROVED DATE A FEW MONTHS OR YEARS AGO.
AND THEN WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, NOW THAT THEY'RE DONE, WE SHOULD GO AND VISIT THEM WHILE THEY'RE STILL SELLING.
THEY'RE THERE CAMERON 56, THEY DID HAVE A GRAND OPENING AND THEY DID.
WE, I WENT, WE, YOU KNOW, UH, AND THEY DID TAKE US ON A TOUR OF THE VARIOUS FLOOR PLANS.
PLUS YOU HAVE TO HAVE THEIR COOPERATION OF, OF YES.
SO A LOT OF TIMES THEY ALSO HAVE OPEN HOUSE AS WELL.
SO WE CAN ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, GO TAKE A LOOK DURING THE TIME THAT WHEN THEY JUST COMPLETED FINISH AND BEFORE THEY BEING IT'S BEING STALLED, THAT WOULD BE, I THINK IT'S AN ADDED VALUE TO OUR COMMISSIONER SINCE IT WILL PUT APPROVING ALL THESE PLAN AND SEE WHAT THE END PRODUCT IS, UM, WHAT THE END PRODUCT IS LIKE AND WHAT ARE THEY BUILDING TODAY? TODAY'S TIME, NOT WHAT WAS FIXED REPAIR REMODEL.
AND IF I COULD JUST ADD ONE THING, YOU KNOW, IT, IT DOESN'T CAUSE I'VE DONE THIS, YOU, YOU DON'T, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AN ORGANIZED COMMISSION EVENT.
I MEAN, I'VE CALLED THESE DEVELOPERS
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AND I'VE, YOU KNOW, I'VE MADE AN APPOINTMENT AND TO SEE WHERE THEY'RE AT, YOU KNOW, I'VE DONE, YOU CAN DO THAT AS AN INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONER.YOU DON'T NEED A FORMAL DEAL TO DO THAT.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY MORE COMMENTS OR POSSIBLE? THERE'S A LOT OF TIMES WHERE YOU A BLANK, A BLANK ON ANOTHER MEETING NIGHTS THAT WE GET TOGETHER AS A GROUP AND GO OUT AND LOOK AT THEM, I'M ALL FOR IT.
IF THAT'S AND YOU HAVE A THING CALLED THE BROWN ACT.
CAN, CAN WE DO THAT? JUST GO AS A GROUP TO VISIT, BUT WE APPROVED IN THE PAST.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY DECISIONS PER SE CITY.
I THINK THERE ARE WAYS TO ACCOMPLISH YOUR OBJECTIVE AND WE'VE, WE CAN WORK TOGETHER WITH STAFF.
UM, AND THERE MIGHT BE, UM, YOU KNOW, OTHER, OTHER WAYS TO UPDATE YOU AS WELL, TO ALERT YOU WHEN CERTAIN PROJECTS ARE CLOSE TO COMPLETION OR JUST COMPLETED.
UM, THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING STAFF CAN LOOK INTO AND, AND WE CAN REVIEW THE BROWN ACT, UH, ASPECTS OF ANY GROUP VISITS.
[5. COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR'S REPORT]
DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR'S REPORT, MARK WILL PRESENT.UH, THE OCTOBER 27TH, A REGULAR MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL BE CANCELED.
UH, THERE ARE NO CURRENTLY SCHEDULED ITEMS FOR NOVEMBER 10TH.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE THREE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS SCHEDULED.
UH, TWO NEW HOMES ARE BEING, OR EXCUSE ME.
UH, TWO NEW ADDITIONS ARE BEING PROPOSED AS WELL AS, UM, WE FINALLY RECEIVED COMMENTS BACK FROM THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ON THE CITY'S ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT ORDINANCE.
AND WE ARE MAKING CHANGES, UH, PURSUANT TO THE DIRECTION FROM THE STATE.
AND WE'LL BE, UH, FORMALLY HOLDING A PUBLIC HEARING.
WE ANTICIPATE THAT WILL BE ON NOVEMBER 10TH AND THEN THE COMMISSION WILL ALSO BE MEETING TWICE IN NOVEMBER.
UH, AS I PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED ON NOVEMBER 24TH, UH, WHICH IS AGAIN THANKSGIVING WEEK, BUT, UH, WE, WE WILL HAVE A QUORUM FOR THAT MEETING.
UM, THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT ON UPCOMING COMMISSION ITEMS. I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, LET THE PLANNING COMMISSION KNOW THAT NEXT TUESDAY NIGHT, THE CITY COUNCIL WILL BE HOLDING A HEARING ON, UH, THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION REGARDING, UM, THE SALE OF BEER AND WINE AT A GAS STATION, CONVENIENCE STORES.
SO THE COUNCIL WILL HAVE THAT, UH, PUBLIC HEARING NEXT TUESDAY NIGHT.
UH, THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THE, UH, UM, OCTOBER 27TH MEETING IS CANCELED AND IN NOVEMBER THERE WILL BE TWO MEETINGS, NOVEMBER 10TH AND NOVEMBER 24TH, 24TH IS NOT CANCELED.
THERE'LL BE TWO MEETINGS NOVEMBER 10TH.
AND THEN, UH, JUST AS A NOTE, UM, THE CITY ATTORNEY OR ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY DID LOOK UP, UH, WE WERE CORRECTED AT THE PRECISE PLAN APPROVAL, UH, DID PASS ON A TWO TO ONE VOTE.
SINCE THERE'S NO FURTHER BUSINESS TO CONSIDER THIS MEETING IS TO ADJOURN A NINE FIVE SAID NINE O'CLOCK ON THIS CLOCK, BUT AT NINE OH FIVE, THANK YOU.