Sep 22, 2020 Planning Commission

UM, APPROVAL FOR A MINUTE.

HOW ABOUT PLEDGE? OKAY.

DO A MOMENT OF SILENCE AND COMMISSIONERS.

UM, READ OVER ELITIST WITH ROLLING.

OH, CAN YOU PLEASE ROLL CALL ON TICKLE A ROLL CALL PLEASE.

YES, VICE-CHAIR HOLTS COMMISSIONER HOPKINS HERE.

COMMISSIONER KENNEDY HOLDS HERE AND CHAIR HERE.

WE HAVE A QUORUM AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ONE QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT.

ANYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK THERE ARE INK SPEAKER CARDS UP HERE.

IF YOU CAN FILL THEM OUT, IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY AND I'LL COLLECT THEM,

[1. Regular meeting, August 25, 2020]

UM, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY CHANGES TO THE MEN OF AUGUST 25TH, 2020 SEEING NONE THEN THE MINUTES OF AUGUST 20, 20, 20 APPROVED AS SUBMITTED ORAL COMMUNICATIONS.

DOES ANYONE HAVE AN ORAL COMMUNICATIONS? THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT? IF YOU DO, YOU CAN JUST FILL UP A FORM AND JUST COME UP.

NONE.

UM, OKAY.

SO PUBLIC HEARING, DO WE HAVE AN ORAL COMMUNITY? SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY ORAL COMMUNICATION CURRENTLY.

UM, WE'RE GONNA START PUBLIC HEARING,

[2. ADMINISTRATIVE USE PERMIT NO. 17-15]

UM, ADMINISTRATIVE USE PERMIT NUMBER NUMBER 17 DASH 15, SUBCOMMITTEE FOR DESIGN REVIEW NUMBER 17 DASH TWO SEVEN SECOND UNION VIEW NUMBER 20 DASH 35 THREE REMOVAL PERMIT NUMBER 20 DASH OH OH NINE.

AND EXEMPTION CATEGORY APPLICATION IS HI, THIS IS ON 1140 SOUTH SPRING, UH, METAL STREET AND JOANNE WILL BE, WILL YOU BE OKAY? JOANNE WILL BE PRESENTING.

FOR THE UNDER THE AUP PROCESS BECAUSE THEY ARE PROPOSING AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TOTALING, UM, WITH A TOTAL LARGER THAN 1000 SQUARE FEET.

MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AND ALSO MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

I'LL GO AHEAD AND FIRST START OFF THE PRESENTATION WITH THIS DESCRIPTION OF THE SITE AND ALSO THE INSIGHT, A LIST OF THE ENTITLEMENTS THAT ARE REQUIRED AND THAT ARE WITHIN THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S PURVIEW TONIGHT.

THE ADMINISTRATIVE USE PERMIT IS REQUIRED FOR, OR A FEW REASONS.

AS FAR AS THE PROJECT IS CONCERNED IS REQUIRED BECAUSE IT IS A TWO STORY HOUSE.

IT IS CONSIDERED A LARGE HOUSE BECAUSE IT EXCEEDS THE MAXIMUM UNIT SIZE EXCEPTION OF 8,000 SQUARE FEET.

BY LESS THAN 25%, THE PROJECT INVOLVES A SERIES OF RETAINING WALLS THAT ARE GREATER THAN FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT.

AND A LARGE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE REVIEW IS REQUIRED

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AS FAR AS SUBCOMMITTEE DESIGN REVIEW IS CONCERNED.

SUBCOMMITTEE DESIGN REVIEW IS REQUIRED FOR ALL PROJECTS.

THAT IS, THAT HAS SOME VISIBILITY FROM THE STREETS.

THE PROJECT IS ALSO REQUESTING THE REMOVAL OF, OR HERITAGE TREES.

THE SITE IS A FLAG LOT.

THAT'S OVER 60,000 SQUARE FEET THAT IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF SPRING METAL DRIVE.

THIS IS THE EXIST.

UM, A PORTION OF THE EXISTING SITE, THE EXISTING BUILDING PAD IS LOCATED TOWARDS THE REAR OF THE SITE.

UM, EXISTING HOUSE IS THE AREA THAT'S SHADED IN RED AND THE EXISTING HOUSE IS LOCATED IN SITUATED SITUATED APPROXIMATELY EIGHT 80 FEET HIGHER THAN THE STREET.

AND ALL PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION WOULD BE MORE GREATER THAN 200 FEET AWAY FROM THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE.

I'VE HIGHLIGHTED THE TREES THAT ARE PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED.

UM, AND THERE IS ONE TREE THAT IS NOT ON THE PLAN THAT THEY ARE PROPOSED OR PROPOSING TO REMOVE THAT THAT'S ONE OF THE 16 INCH PALM TREES.

THIS IS A PHOTOGRAPH OF THE EXISTING HOUSE.

THE EXISTING HOUSE IS APPROXIMATELY 2000 SQUARE FEET, AND THIS IS A PHOTOGRAPH OF EXISTING HOUSE FROM A CAR TAKEN FROM ACROSS THE STREET ON SPRING MEADOW DRIVE, UM, OR THE LA ACROSS THE STREET FROM SPRING METAL DRIVE.

THIS IS THE EXISTING OR THE DRIVEWAY FOR THE SITE, AND IT'S MINIMALLY VISIBLE FROM THE STREET DUE TO THE, THE GRADE DIFFERENCE FROM THE STREET, UM, IN THIS IS A PHOTOGRAPH THAT'S TAKEN FROM THE DRIVEWAY, THIS AREA RIGHT ALONG HERE THAT YOU CAN KIND OF SEE, THAT YOU CAN SEE FROM FROM THE DRIVEWAY IS A PORTION OF THAT IS A WOOD, UM, LIKE A PLYWOOD DETAIL, AND A PORTION OF IT IS, IS A RETAINING WALL THAT WAS CREATED, UM, THROUGH THE UNPERMITTED GRADING ON SITE.

YOU'RE THE PROJECT DETAILS.

THE PROPOSED HOUSE IS A 9,869 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE, TWO STORY HOUSE.

AND THE AREA HIGHLIGHTED IN PURPLE IS A LOCATION, APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED HOUSE.

MAY I ALSO, UM, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT THE, THE FIRST OUTER RED LINE SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY IS A LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY LINE.

AND THE INNER RED LINE IS, IS S BASICALLY IT'S A SETBACK LINE.

ANYTHING BEYOND THAT LINE IS ENCROACHES INTO THE REQUIRED SETBACK.

SO IN THIS CASE, NO STRUCTURES ARE BEING PROPOSED TO ENCROACH INTO THE REQUIRED SETBACKS AND ALL STRUCTURES WOULD COMPLY WITH WITHIN, WITH THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.

UM, BUT THEY ARE ALSO PROPOSING A 2,105 SQUARE FOOT RV GARAGE AND WORKSHOP ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, THEY'RE PROPOSING A THREE CAR GARAGE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY AND HIGHLIGHTED AND GOLD ABOVE.

I WOULD LIKE ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT ABOVE THE GARAGE, THEY ARE PROPOSING AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, ALTHOUGH THEY ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS IS INCLUDED IN THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE AND IS ALSO BRIEFLY DESCRIBED IN THE REPORT.

IT IS NOT WITHIN THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S PURVIEW BECAUSE STATE LAW REQUIRES THAT ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS BE PERMITTED MINISTERIALLY AND ARE NOT ALLOWED TO BE APPROVED THROUGH A HEARING PROCESS VIA THE SITE.

THE SITE OF THE EXISTING HOUSE WILL BE, UM, ON THE SAME BUILDING PAD AS THE PROPOSED HOUSE.

UM, AND THE BUILDING PAD WOULD BE EXPANDED BY A SERIES OF RETAINING WALLS THAT I'VE HIGHLIGHTED IN, IN BLUE.

UM, EASY SERIES OF INTRICATE RETAINING WALLS, UM, WOULD HAVE A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF EIGHT FEET.

UM, AND

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THE WALL ON, UM, ON THE BOTTOM OF, OF THE COURTYARD AREA WOULD SIX FEET IN HEIGHT AND THIS WOULD BE LEVELED.

AND THEN IT WOULD CONSTRUCT, UH, ANOTHER SIX FOOT HIGH WALL ALONG THIS AREA.

AND EACH OTHER WALL WOULD BE, UM, WOULD HAVE AN EIGHT FOOT MAXIMUM HEIGHT.

EACH WALL WOULD BE SEPARATED BY FIVE FEET, UM, AT LEAST FIVE FEET BECAUSE THE EXISTING, THE MUNICIPAL CODE REQUIRES THAT EACH WALL, EACH RETAINING WALL INSTRUCTOR BE SEPARATED BY FIVE FEET.

OTHERWISE IT WOULD COUNT AS ONE SINGLE HEIGHT RATHER THAN AS DIFFERENT STRUCTURES.

UM, YOUR IS A PHOTOGRAPH OF TAKEN FROM THE, UH, COURTYARD, UM, AREA WHERE THE RV GARAGE IS APPROXIMATELY ONLY TO BE LOCATED, UM, AND ACROSS THERE ACROSS THE WAY FROM A SPRING MEADOW, UM, IN, AT A DISTANCE YOU CAN SEE, AND ONE OF THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES HOMES IN YARD AREA.

SO ALTHOUGH THEY ARE AT A DISTANCE AND THEY ARE, UM, MINIMAL, MINIMALLY VISIBLE, UM, AS YOU, AS SOME PEOPLE SAY, IF YOU, IF THEY CAN SEE YOU, YOU CAN SEE THEM.

SO THEY WILL BE ABLE TO SEE, UM, THE SITE AND THE PROPOSED HOUSE, UM, FROM THEIR PROPERTY.

AND THIS IS A PHOTOGRAPH OF THE SITE TAKEN FROM SPRING MEADOW, I'M SORRY, FROM SOME, FROM, FROM CITRUS AVENUE OR SUCH A STREET.

AND THE SITE WOULD THIS AREA ALONG HERE WHERE THE, UM, ITALIAN, CYPRESS TREES ARE LOCATED IN, UH, UM, UM, UH, CITRUS, YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THE SITE OR THE PROPOSED HOUSE IN, IN THIS LOCATION AS WELL.

OR IN THIS VIEW, AS FAR AS THE RETAINING WALLS ARE CONCERNED, THERE IS SOME DRAFT CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT IS WRITTEN IN THE DRAFT RESOLUTION, REQUIRING THE APPLICANT TO INSTALL LANDSCAPE, UM, LANDSCAPING.

AND THAT WOULD SCREEN, UM, THE WALLS FROM, FROM VIEW.

THIS WILL MINIMIZE THE IMPACT AS FAR AS MASSING IS CONCERNED.

THIS IS THE FIRST FLOOR PLAN.

THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE EXISTING HOUSE IS 6,343 SQUARE FEET.

IT WILL HAVE AN ENTRY, FOYER, OR A LOBBY, UH, AN OFFICE, A STORE, A LOUNGE AREA, A LIVING ROOM, A STORAGE AREA, TWO STORAGE ROOMS FROM WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE A STUDY ROOM, TWO BEDROOMS, A GYM, A MEDIA ROOM, KITCHEN, A PANTRY BATH ROOM, AND A LAUNDRY AREA.

AND THIS IS THE SECOND FLOOR PLAN.

THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE EXISTING HOUSE OR THE PROPOSED HOUSE, I'M SORRY, IS 3,626 SQUARE FEET.

UM, IT WILL ALSO HAVE AN INTRICATE, UM, BALCONY, UH, DECK AT WOOD SURROUND THE PERIMETER OF SECOND FLOOR LONG.

THIS AREA WHERE THE ARROW'S BEING TRACED, UM, IN THAT BALCONY IS 1,745 SQUARE.

YEAH, A LARGE PORTION OF THE SECOND FLOOR IS TAKEN UP BY AN, AN AREA.

I, WHAT WE CALL A VOLUME SPACE BECAUSE IT'S NOT, THERE IS NO FLOOR ACTUAL FLOOR AREA THERE, AND IT'S JUST OPEN FROM ABOVE OR BELOW THE FIRST FLOOR.

SO IT WOULD HAVE TWO STAIRS LEADING UP TO THE FAMILY ROOM AREA.

ON ONE SIDE OF THE WEAN, THERE WOULD BE THREE BEDROOMS EACH WITH OUR OWN BATHROOM.

AND THE OTHER SIDE, THERE WOULD ALSO BE THREE BEDROOMS EACH WITH THEIR OWN BATHROOM STAFF DOES HAVE SOME CONCERNS ALONG THE NORTH, ALONG THE NORTH SIDE, BECAUSE THE NORTH SIDE NEIGHBOR HAS A SWIMMING POOL AND

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THE SWIMMING POOL AREA WOULD BE VISIBLE FROM THE SECOND FLOOR, IS THIS IS, THIS PHOTOGRAPH IS TAKEN, UM, THE EXISTING DECK RIGHT ALONG HERE, WHICH WOULD, WHICH THE SECOND FLOOR WOULD BE.

UM, THE PROPOSED SECOND FLOOR WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN THIS, THIS POINT OF VIEW.

OH, IT WOULD BE VISIBLE.

THE STAFF, UM, STAFF IS SUGGESTING EITHER, UM, WELL PLACED A CONDITION OF APPROVAL AND THE DRAFT RESOLUTION REQUIRING THAT SCREENING BE, UM, INSTALLED ALONG THE SLOPE.

AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION ALSO HAS THE AUTHORITY OR OPTION TO REQUIRE THE APPLICANT TO ELIMINATE A PORTION, THE NORTH PORTION OF THE PROPOSED DECK OR, OR ALBANY.

UM, THIS IS NOT CONDITIONED.

THIS IS SOLELY UP TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION FEELS THAT THIS IS NECESSARY, HERE IS THE FRONT ELEVATION OF THE HEIGHT OF THE HOUSE ITSELF, SINCE IT IS AT LEAST FIVE FEET AWAY FROM, FROM THESE RETAINING WALLS, IT'S 25 FEET TAKEN FROM THE LOWEST, FROM THE LOWEST GRADE TO THE HIGHEST POINT.

THIS IT, UM, THIS ALONG HERE IS A PHOTOGRAPH OR THE ELEVATION FOR THE, OR THE WORKSHOP.

THERE IS A, UM, A CONDITION OF APPROVAL LISTED IN THE DRAFT ORDINANCE THAT REQUIRES THE, THE APPLICANT TO REMOVE EITHER REMOVE THE WINDOWS OR CHANGE IT TO CLARA STORY BECAUSE, BECAUSE THE WORKSHOP IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE LIVABLE SPACE YOU'RE IS A RENDERING OF THE SITE.

UM, THE PROJECT FOR THE PROJECT, YOU IT UP HERE FOR A SECOND.

SO THIS IS ALONG THE FRONT, UM, IN, I GUESS THIS VIEW IS SUPPOSED TO BE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE STAIRS.

UM, STAFF DID A SURVEY OF 20, UM, 20 I'M SORRY, 10 NEIGHBORS, 10 BUDDING NEIGHBORS, AND ALSO THE NEIGHBORS ARE YOUR NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE STREET OF THEIR PROJECT SITE TOO.

AND WE SURVEYED THE SIZE OF EACH HOUSE MMM.

AND ALSO CALCULATED FLOOR AREA RATIO.

AND THE PROPOSED HOUSE IS TWO POINT 77 TIMES LARGER THAN THE AVERAGE SIZE HOUSE.

MMM.

THE HOUSE SIZE IN THE AREA IN THE SURVEY AREA RANGE FROM 2,600 AND SORRY, JOANNE.

UM, COULD YOU SPEAK UP LOUDER A LITTLE BIT, 2000 FROM 2,626 SQUARE FEET TO 5,382 SQUARE FEET, THE FLOOR AREA RATIO, UM, FROM THE SURVEYED HOMES RANGE FROM 5% TO 20%.

THE, UM, THE PROPOSED FLOOR AREA IS 18%.

ALTHOUGH THE PROPOSED HOUSE IS FAR LARGER THAN OTHER HOMES IN THE AREA.

THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE IS NOT UNUSUAL FOR AN ESTATE OR A STATE PROPERTY, SIMILAR TO THE SUBJECT LOT.

IN ADDITION, THE PROPOSED FLOOR AREA RATIO IS WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD RANGE.

THIS STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION ADOPT A RESOLUTION APPROVING AEP 17, 15 SUBCOMMITTEE DESIGNER REVIEW 1727 AND TREE ROOM 20 ZERO NINE.

IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS ANY QUESTIONS I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER.

ALSO, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT I DID RECEIVE SEVERAL PHONE CALLS FROM I'M CONCERNED DIAPERS.

AND ALSO I DID RECEIVE EMAILS AND LETTERS FROM, FROM NEIGHBORS.

I HAVE PROVIDED THE PLANNING COMMISSION COPIES OF THOSE LETTERS, AND I DO HAVE ONE NEIGHBOR, UM, ON ZOOM THAT IS REQUESTING TO S TO SPEAK AND ADDRESS TO ADDRESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

SURE.

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THANK YOU, JOANNE.

I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS QUESTION IS WHERE TO BEGIN WITH THE QUESTIONS.

UM, YOU, I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S IN THE STAFF REPORT, BUT YOU DIDN'T, I DON'T BELIEVE IT TALKED ABOUT THE CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUES.

YES, THERE ARE, THERE ARE, UM, CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUES ON THE PROPERTY AND, UM, THERE ARE CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUES ON THE PROPERTY, UM, IN THE, THE INITIAL CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE HAS TO DO WITH, WITH, UM, UNPERMITTED GRADING, THE PROP, UM, THE APPLICANT OR THE PROPERTY OWNER DID HAVE SOME GRADING ON THE SITE THAT WAS DONE WITHOUT PERMITS, UM, IN THAT IS BEING ADDRESSED BY CODE ENFORCEMENT.

THEY ARE WORKING WITH OUR ENGINEERING DIVISION, UM, TO ADDRESS THE UNPERMITTED GRADING AND STABILIZE, STABILIZING THE SLOPE.

AND ALSO THIS PROJECT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO CONSTRUCT THE RETAINING WALLS NECESSARY FOR THAT AS WELL.

UM, AND IN ADDITION TO THIS, THERE IS SOME, THERE WAS SOME REPORTS REGARDING AN AIRBNB BEING, BEING OPERATED ON THE SITE FOR THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER DID FIND, UM, THAT DID FIND A LISTING FOR THE AIRBNB AND THAT IS BEING ADDRESSED SEPARATELY.

UM, AND THERE WERE ALSO REPORTS THAT THERE WAS, OR THERE, THERE IS, UM, UH, A TEMP, A BUDDHIST TEMPLE BEING OPERATED ON THE SITES OR A MEDITATION CENTER.

UM, THE SITE IS OWNED BY A NONPROFIT RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION.

UM, HOWEVER CODE ENFORCEMENT DID NOT PHYSICALLY SEE, UM, OR, OR OBSERVE A LARGE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE ARE GATHERING ON THE SITE OR, OR SEE ANY, UM, TEMPLE OR, UM, SERVICES, RELIGIOUS SERVICES BEING CONDUCTED ON THE SITE DURING THEIR INVESTIGATION.

AND THIS, THIS, UM, FOR WANT OF A BETTER TERM, THIS ILLEGAL GRADING WAS DONE BY THE CURRENT OWNER, CORRECT? NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, SIR, NO, NO, NO.

IT'S NOT THE WAY IT WORKS OR, OKAY.

UM, I DON'T BELIEVE THE OWNERSHIP HAS CHANGED SINCE THEN.

SO, SO IT'D BE THE CURRENT OWNER.

AND DO WE KNOW IF THIS ILLEGAL GRADING WAS DONE BY A LICENSED CONTRACTOR, DID NOT KNOW IT, PERHAPS THE APPLICANT WOULD KNOW THAT.

AND CAN WE, IS IT POSSIBLE, CAN WE ASSUME THAT THE GRADING WAS DONE PRIOR TO, AND ANTICIPATION OF THE PROJECT THAT'S IN FRONT OF US NOW, IS THAT SOMETHING BRING UP THAT MAP AND SHOW US WHERE THE GRADING WAS DONE? SO IT WAS DONE RIGHT ALONG HERE AND ALSO, OR THE STRIPE FOR THIS DRIVEWAY RIGHT ALONG HERE.

UM, I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS DONE INTO, IN ANTICIPATION OF THIS PROJECT.

UM, IT WAS, IT WAS DONE A FEW YEARS AGO, SO, AND I WASN'T HERE AT THAT TIME.

WELL, THE QUESTION IS WE DON'T, IT'S NOT MANDATORY THAT THOSE ROOMS ARE USED FOR WHAT THEY INDICATE THEY WILL BE USED FOR ON THE FLOOR PLAN.

UM, I HAVE ANOTHER, MAYBE IF WE COULD BRING UP THE, UH, FLOOR PLANS ARE FOR ONE AND FLOOR TWO, AND I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING THOSE ON THOSE ON THE FLOOR PLAN, IT INDICATES SEVERAL IDENTIFYING DESCRIPTIONS OF ROOMS, BEDROOM STUDY, GYM STORAGE OFFICE.

THERE'S A MYRIAD OF DESCRIPTIONS FOR VARIOUS, UH, ROOMS BASICALLY OF THE QUESTION IS, DO THOSE ROOMS NEED TO BE W IS IT NECESSARY THAT A STOCKROOM WOULD BE USED AS A STOCK ROOM OR A STUDY AS A STUDY OR A, UH, ONE SECOND?

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IS THAT CORRECT? UH, THE FLOOR PLAN DOES HAVE THOSE LABELS.

UM, AND AS FAR AS, AS FAR AS, UM, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, THE STORAGE, UM, WHEN, IF, IF, UH, IF A HOUSE IS CONSTRUCTED WITH A S WITH A STORAGE ROOM IN IT, UM, WE CAN ONLY CONTROL WHAT, WHAT WE ARE APPROVED.

WE ARE APPROVING, WE, UM, AFTER THE PROJECT HAS BUILT, UM, WE CANNOT CONTROL WHAT, WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE USEFUL.

I KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MEDIA ROOM STORAGE ROOM, JIM'S STUDY ROOM AND THE BEDROOMS. UH, SO BASICALLY THERE IS A POTENTIAL OR UP TO 19 TO 21 BEDROOMS, THE WAY I LOOK AT THIS OR THIS NOT, NOT NECESSARILY FOR ONE OF THE STORAGE ROOMS, UM, AND ALSO AT THE PANTRY, BECAUSE IN ORDER FOR IT TO BE CONSIDERED A BEDROOM, THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE SOME, UM, INGRESS EGRESS ACCESS FROM THE OUTSIDE, BUT FOR THE OTHER ROOMS, YES.

STILL, THERE'S THE, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A LOT MORE THAN WHAT IS INDICATED AS BEDROOMS. UH, CAN YOU TALK TO US A LITTLE ABOUT THE RAMIFICATIONS? OH, THE, UH, TERRORIST THING, THE RETAINING WALLS IS THERE, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S USED TO EXPAND FOOTPRINT.

BECAUSE THERE IS, THERE IS A SLOPE THERE, AND IN ORDER FOR THEM, IN ORDER FOR THEM TO CONSTRUCT A, A HOUSE THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED AS A SINGLE STRUCTURE HEIGHT, OR THE WEST COVINA MUNICIPAL CODE, THE SERIES OF RETAINING WALLS ARE REQUIRED.

UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, OR CODE DOES LIMIT THE HEIGHTS OF RETAINING WALLS TO EIGHT FEET.

UM, IF VISUAL, UM, VISUALLY LET'S SEE, LET ME GO AHEAD.

AND IN HER, THE CODE, IT DOESN'T, IT WOULDN'T ADD TO THE HEIGHT OF THE HOUSE.

UM, THE HEIGHT OF THE HOUSE WOULD NOT BE TAKEN FROM THE GREAT OF THE LOWER RETAINING WALL, BECAUSE IT IS SEPARATED BY FIVE FEET.

EACH WALL IS SEPARATED BY FIVE FEET, AND EACH HOUSE IS SEPARATED BY FIVE FEET, BUT VISUALLY WITHOUT BUFFERING, UM, IT WOULD, IT WOULD CONTRIBUTE TO THE MASK AND BULL OF THE HOUSE.

AND THIS IS, THIS IS WHY ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IS TO REQUIRE LANDSCAPE SCREENING IN FRONT OF THE RETAINING WALL.

ACTUALLY, THEY ASKED A QUESTION, JOANNE, YOU HAD MENTIONED EARLIER THAT THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT, COULD YOU SHOW US WHAT, WHAT WOULD THE EXISTING HOUSE, WHAT PRINT ON THE PLAN? SO THE RED PORTION IS EXISTING PROCUREMENT, THE EXISTING RIGHT NOW, CURRENT? YES.

PER THEIR SURVEY.

AND CAN YOU OVERLAP WITH THE NEW ONE OUT THERE? SO THEY'RE EXPANDING IT, UM, WORDS AND BACKWARDS.

WELL, YOU MONEY ON A REPORT, THEN YOU CALL ME SHIT.

ZANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE A QUESTIONS FOR ALL STAFF.

NOT THAT I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THIS TO PUBLIC HEARING.

SO, UM, WITH THE ARCHITECTS, ALL THE OWNERS, DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE ARCHITECT OR THE OWNERS, OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME AND EXPLAIN YOUR PROJECT? YEAH.

PLEASE COME TO THE MICROPHONE SO EVERYONE ELSE CAN HEAR YOU.

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MY NAME IS GEORGE SHOE.

I'M WITH YOU.

I NEED ESI.

AND THE CONSTRUCTION INC.

UH, WE ARE REPRESENTING THE OWNER.

UH, I LIKE TO POINT OUT, UH, THE OWNER, HIS NAME IS THE OWNER AND BOY, SHE IN HEIGHT MONK.

SO HE BUILT A, HE SAID THIS PROJECT AND HE SAID, PRIMARY RESIDENTIAL HOUSE FOR HIMSELF.

THERE'S LOTS OF ROOM, BUT SHE IN HIGH MONK, HE USED TO ALSO IN, WELL, WE AND THE TV MAKING BUSINESS.

SO, AND HE'S HOUSE, IT NEEDS A ROOM FOR SCREENING AND A LOT TO, UH, TO HIS OWN STUDY AND THE SOME, UH, RESEARCH HE WORK, UH, UH, THAT'S WHY, UH, HE NEEDS TO BE THE HOUSE LIKE THIS.

AND I LIKE TO POINT OUT THE, IN THE SURROUNDING AREA, THERE'S A LOT HOUSE, MUCH BIGGER THAN WHAT WE PROPOSED.

WE HAVE, UH, THE LAND MORE THAN 70,000 FOOT.

I UNDERSTAND WE CAN GO UP TO 30%.

THAT'S MORE THAN 20,000 SOME SQUARE FOOT.

AND NOW WE'RE ONLY PROPOSING LESS THAN 16 PERSON.

I BOUGHT A GREETING.

ANY OTHER CHRISTIAN? I CAN, UH, ANSWER THE QUESTION FOR YOU.

YEAH, SIR.

DID YOU OR SOMEONE IN YOUR, UH, UNDER YOUR AUTHORITY ORDER THAT GRADING TO BE DONE ON THE PROPERTY? NO.

WE TAKE OVER THIS PROJECT RECENTLY ESTIMATED HER BACK ONLY COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.

UH, BUT I HEARD ABOUT THESE, UH, ILLEGAL GREETING WORK.

UH, HI MONK DID, UH, MENTIONED TO US HE WILL TAKEN CARE OF, I MEAN, DURING THIS, UH, NEW CONSTRUCTION AND THE DEMOLITION OF, FOR THE EXTRA STING HOUSE, HE'LL MAKE SURE ALL THOSE GREETING WALK, GONNA BE COMPLY WITH THE, THE CT COLE.

I UNDERSTAND THE PREVIOUS, THE GREETING AREA IS AN OPEN SPACE.

SO HE SAYS, THINKING OF, WELL, MAYBE HERE OP AND READ TO THE RE COMPACTION AREA IS NOT FOR SITE FOR CONSTRUCTION OR FOR NEW BEAUTY.

IT'S GOING TO BE OPEN SPACE.

INSTANT CONFIRMATION BED AND BREAKFAST IN WEST COVINA AT THIS ADDRESS.

YOU JUST MENTIONED THAT THE OWNER SOUNDED LIKE HE WAS GONNA LIVE THERE BY HIMSELF AND HE'S IN THE MOVIE BUSINESS AND HE NEEDS ALL THIS ROOM.

THAT'S WHAT I THINK I JUST HEARD.

SO HE HAS A BIG FAMILY FAMILY.

WE WERE A RESIDENT IN NEARBY RESIDENT, PROVIDED US WITH AN EMAIL THAT APPEARS, AND I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO COMMENT ON IT.

IF IT APPEARS TO BE ADVERTISING THAT ADDRESS AS A BED AND BREAKFAST,

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AND IT'S ADVERTISING, SHARED BATHROOMS, SHARED, YOU KNOW, UH, BEDROOMS, KITCHENS, AND SO FORTH.

IT'S RIGHT HERE.

SO COULD YOU COMMENT ON THAT PLEASE? YOU MEAN YOURSELF TO ADS ON, UH, UH, INTERNET, A RESIDENT, A NEARBY NEIGHBOR SENT THIS PLANNING STAFF AND IT WAS PROVIDED TO US PRIOR TO THE HEARING RIGHT NOW.

AND IT LISTS THE ORGANIZATION AS THE AMERICAN INTERNATIONAL BUDDHISTIC UNION IS APP.

AND THE ADDRESS IS 1140 SOUTH SPRING MEADOW DRIVE, WHICH IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT.

AND IT HAS MULTIPLE PICTURES OF BEDROOMS AND SO FORTH WITH THE DESCRIPTION, INSTANT CONFIRMATION BED AND BREAKFAST WEST COVINA.

AND YOU EXPLAIN THAT TO ME, PLEASE, SIR.

AND ALSO HAS SO MUCH PER NIGHT, 39.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS.

39 EUROS OR SOMETHING PER NIGHT.

ONE TO FOUR PEOPLE.

WOW.

MY NAME IS BILL SHAN AND THE CHINESE AMERICAN ENGINEERING.

I DID NOT KNOW THE PROJECT AS MUCH, BUT THAT QUESTION THAT I SAID THAT I'LL SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE, SIR.

SO OBVIOUSLY THIS IS ILLEGAL TO DO THAT NOW.

SO WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL ZONING REQUIRES TO DO IT.

THEY ONLY HAVE TO DO FOR RESIDENTIAL PURPOSE.

THIS IS POVERTY AT THE BEGINNING.

THAT'S HOW THEY PROMOTE IS, YOU KNOW, OUR ORIGINAL PROJECT FOR, SO AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, EITHER ONE OF YOU CAN ANSWER WHO WAS THE ONE THAT PUT THIS ON THE INTERNET TO PLACE THE AD.

AS FAR AS I KNOW, HE DIDN'T HIDE MONK.

HE PLANNED TO BE TAKING A TRIP OUTSIDE OF A CONCRETE AS A MATTER OF WHAT HE'S IN ASIA RIGHT NOW.

AND JUST, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE GONNA TAKEN CARE OF WHERE THEY SHOULD, UH, AREA.

I MEAN THE HOUSE FOR HINT.

I, SO I THINK HE PULLED UP A ASH AND A LADY HERE, HEY, I'LL TAKE, HE ANSWERED THE EDGE.

AND NOW HE MOVE IN HERE JUST FOR THESE ONE OR TWO MONTHS PILE.

IF YOU HAD MANCHA, COME BACK FROM A SHOP, I'LL TAKE THEM OUT OF THE HOUSE.

SO WE'RE NOT DOING THESE, THE FULL BUSINESS, JUST THAT HE USED SOMEBODY TO HIGGIN CALVE.

THE PROPERTY IS NOT TALL, SIR.

YOU UNDERSTAND? IF I MAY INTERRUPT, YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? I LOOKING THERE'S A KEY.

THERE IS A REASONABLE CONCLUSION THAT ONE COULD COME TO THAT.

THIS IS A HOTEL.

NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.

LET ME, LET ME, LET ME TELL YOU, THAT'S A REASONABLE CONCLUSION.

WHEN YOU SAY WIFI IS AVAILABLE IN PUBLIC AREAS AND FREE OF CHARGE, FREE PUBLIC PARKING AS POSSIBLE ONSITE RESERVATION IS NOT POSSIBLE.

PETS ARE NOT ALLOWED.

CHILDREN ARE WELCOME.

IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK, QUACKS LIKE A DOCKET TO DUCK, I'M SURE THAT THAT'S MANY YEARS AGO.

SO WHEN DAVE APOLLOS, THE VIMPAT MAN HAD THE SAME MIND, HOW CAN THEY BE ADVERTISING SOMETHING MANY YEARS AGO? AND IT'S NOT EVEN THERE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT GOES THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

THEY FIND OUT THIS IS NOT POSSIBLE TO BE, AND I'LL YELL.

SOMEBODY IS ILLEGAL.

THEY'LL HAVE A BUSINESS.

THEY IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA.

SO YEAH, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE A HOTEL.

OH, SHE'S HERE.

YOU CAN ASK HER.

SHE DIDN'T PAY ANYTHING.

SHE LIVES.

THEY'RE FREE.

NOT THE JUNK FOOD FREE BREAKFAST.

SHE GOT THE MEALS.

THE LADY IS RIGHT HERE.

SHE ASKED EDGE.

YOU MENTIONED WE ARE NOT USING THAT ROOM.

THAT BEAUTY HOUSE FOR ANY BUSINESS THAT'S PERHAPS SHOULD COME DOWN AND WE CAN ASK SOME QUESTIONS, PLEASE.

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IS ANYONE I'M SORRY.

MY ENGLISH IS NOT GOOD.

AS OUR FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS FOR HER.

PERFECT.

I'LL TAKE IT UP TO ASK A QUESTION THEN.

UM, CONTINUING ON THE VEIN THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER RATTLE HOLDS WAS, WAS FOLLOWING THE, UM, THIS RATHER APPARENT, RATHER CLEAR AD FOR, UM, USING THIS RESIDENCE TO HOST A BED AND BREAKFAST, UH, FOR SOME TYPE OF COMPENSATION, YOU KNOW, PER NIGHT, UM, YOU KNOW, APPEARS TO BE AN AD OR, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL PURPOSE.

AND APPARENTLY YOU'RE THE PERSON THAT ANSWERED THIS AD.

CORRECT? I DON'T UNDERSTAND IF YOU MIGHT, IF YOU COULD PLEASE GO AHEAD AND INTERPRET FOR HER.

ALRIGHT.

I JUST WANT TO SIT DOWN AND HE'LL REPEAT THE QUESTION AGAIN.

IS SHE THE PERSON WHO ANSWERED THIS AD? CAN I SAY THE FUTURE? THAT'S ALL I NEED.

OH, YOU MEAN, YOU MEAN, I LIVE HERE? LET ME ASK THE QUESTION THEN.

ARE YOU THE OWNER OF THAT HOUSE? UM, UH, FROM, UH, UH, JULY AND AUGUST.

AND THEN NOW I LIVE HERE, NOT THE OLDEST.

ARE YOU THE OWNER? COULD YOU INTERPRET FOR HER? OH, I'M NOT THE OWNER.

I'M JUST THE LIVE HERE.

DO YOU PAY ANY MONEY TO THE OWNER AGAIN? INTERPRET FOR HER, PLEASE.

SO YOU STAY THERE FOR HOW LONG? OH, OKAY.

IF YOU STAY THERE FOR ONE MONTH, ONE MONTH.

DOES ANYONE ELSE HAS QUESTIONS FOR HER? IT'S LIKE AN ANSWER TO MY QUESTION AS TO HOW SHE CAME TO BE LIVING THERE.

WHAT DID YOU RESPOND TO AN INTERNET AD FOR THIS TO LIVE AT THIS HOUSE? DID YOU RESPOND TO AN INTERNET AD THIS AD? UM, NO.

NO.

I DIDN'T SEE THIS ADVERTISEMENT.

HOW DID YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS PLACE? A FRIEND OF FRIEND INTRODUCED ME TO HERE BECAUSE, UM, I'M THE, UH, VOLUNTEER HERE BECAUSE HE DIDN'T, UH, DIDN'T PAY MONEY AND THE DON'T NEED A ME TO GIVE HIM MONEY BECAUSE, UM, UH, I, SOME DIFFICULT, UH, IN EMMANUEL.

SO HE, UH, UM, UH, HOW FOR ME.

OKAY, SO HE'S HELPING YOU OUT BASICALLY.

YOU'RE STAYING THERE FOR FREE OF FREE.

YOU INTERPRET FOR HER PLEASE? UH, YES.

FOR FREE.

SO PRIOR TO COMING, YOU DO NOT KNOW THE OWNER PRIOR TO COMING TO LIVE AT HIS HOUSE.

YOU DID NOT KNOW THE OWNER? UM, NO, NO, NOT, NOT, NO, NO, NOT HIM BEFORE.

DOES ANYONE HAS OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

SO THANK YOU FOR NOW.

DOES, DOES, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE ARCHITECT OR EXCUSE ME, MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE AND REPRESENTATIVES FOR THE APPLICANT.

THIS IS YOUR TIME TO PRESENT ANY INFORMATION ON THIS APPLICATION.

SO DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO TELL THE COMMISSION? THE MIC.

AND SO I'M GOING TO LET I'M CHAIR, IF I MAY GO AHEAD.

ANY QUESTION?

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I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THAT IS THE SIGN TEAM IS A NEW DESIGN TEAM.

THAT'S BEEN WORKING WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND JUST GOT ON WITH, ON, STARTED WORKING WITH THEM A FEW LIKE ABOUT THREE WEEKS AGO.

SO THIS IS, THIS IS, THIS IS A NEW DESIGN TEAM THAT HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER, UM, THAT STARTED WORKING WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER APPROXIMATELY THREE WEEKS AGO.

UM, TH THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS HA DONE SEVERAL CHANGES IN DESIGN TEAM OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS.

ONE SEC.

I'M A COMMISSIONERS.

UM, UH, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, IT WAS PROBABLY ME.

I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND ONE THING.

ANY OF THOSE PEOPLE SAID, I MEAN, I I'M SITTING THERE STRAINING TO LISTEN WHAT THEY'RE SAYING, AND I DIDN'T HEAR ONE WORD THAT THEY SAID I REALLY DID.

AND I WAS LOOKING AT THE AUDIENCE AND LOT OF THE AUDIENCE ARE GOING, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING ON? I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN MAKE ANY KIND OF DECISIONS OR ANYTHING IF WE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE SAYING.

AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS FEEL, BUT I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT.

UM, THE OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO SAY IS I HAVE NEVER BEEN UP ON THAT PROPERTY.

I HAVE TRIED THREE TIMES TO GET UP ON THAT PROPERTY TO SEE WHAT'S IT LIKE, AND, UH, I'LL BE TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW.

I CAN'T MAKE A DECISION UNLESS I GET UP THERE AND SEE FOR MYSELF WHAT'S GOING ON AND WHERE THIS BUILDING IS GOING TO BE PLACED AND ALL THAT.

SO I'M REALLY SAYING I'M IN THE DARK OF WHAT'S GOING ON AND WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR.

I MEAN, I SEE THE PLANS AND A LOT OF WORK WENT INTO THE PLANS AND THE STRUCTURE OF THIS SAME, BUT I'M GETTING MIXED SIGNALS, UH, WHAT IT IS AND WHAT'S GOING IN THERE AND HOW'S IT GOING TO BE USED AND WHAT WAS DONE BEFORE, UH, ARE THEY IN VIOLATION OF SOME CODE? SO I THINK WE NEED A NEW BEGINNING ON THIS THING I REALLY DO.

CAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.

UM, I LIKE TO CONTINUE THE, UM, PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THE OPPOSITIONS FOR THIS PROJECT.

UM, IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN FAVOR OF IT OR IS IT, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT? SO MADAM CHAIR AHEAD, MY UNDERSTANDING IS YOU'D TO, YOU'RE MAKING A MOTION AT THIS TIME TO CONTINUE THIS PUBLIC HEARING.

I THINK SINCE ALL THE RESIDENTS ARE HERE, WE SHOULD HEAR WHAT THEY WANT IT TO SAY.

HEY, SO, AND THEN, THEN WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSIONS AFTER WE HEAR BOTH SIDES.

SO MADAM CHAIR NOW WOULD BE THE TIME.

UM, BUT IT DOESN'T, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR THE PROJECT? OKAY.

IF I DO IN FAVOR.

SO YOU ARE WITH THE OWNER.

GOTCHA.

SO SOMETHING'S NOT CLEAR AS YOU MENTIONED, THE ARCHITECTURE ARCHITECTURE OR SOUTHERN GOD BLEND HIS EYES.

SO YEAH.

SO IT WOULD BE THEN EXPLAINED CLEARLY ABOUT THIS PROJECT FROM WHAT HAPPENED? I JUST RECENTLY, SORRY, TWO, I'M SORRY.

HIGH, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THERE'S A SLOPE HILLSIDES AND THERE'S A RETAINING WALL RESTRICTION.

PLEASE SPEAK INTO THE MIC AND PLEASE INTRODUCE I'M A FORMER CONSTRUCTION COMPANY.

I KNOW THE OWNER.

SO HE JUST ASKED ME TO HELP YOU, ADAM.

AND THIS IS THE PROJECT I JUST RECENTLY MOVED IN THIS PROJECT, BASICALLY FROM WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING IS WITH THE HONOR ITSELF IS A MONK IS A FAMOUS MAN IN CHINA.

I'M HERE.

IF THE HEARD OF A VERY FAMOUS MOVIE, IT'S A LATENCY OF ABOUT THE CHINA FROM LIKE A 2000 YEARS AGO, THE LEGEND STORY IN HIMSELF.

AND HE INVOLVED WITH THIS FILM.

THAT'S WHY HE HAS SO MANY RELATIONSHIPS.

YOU HAVE SO MANY FRIENDS, YOU WANT TO USE MOVIE THIS WAY TO SPREAD OUT THE RELIGION ABOUT CHINESE MONK OR SOMETHING.

AND ALSO HE'S WORKING ON THE TV SERIES.

I HAD TO DEVELOP SOME TV SERIES, YOU KNOW, , YOU KNOW, IN CHINA, VERY FAMOUS MOVIE.

UH, HE HE'S DOING THAT.

THE SWINE, HE TRY TO MAKE YOU THIS LAND.

YOU KNOW, HE HAS BIG FAMILY IN CHINA AS WELL, WHO HAD A BIG HOUSE, ABOUT 10,000 SQUARE FEET AS A BEGINNING.

I JUST DEMOED BEGINNING.

SO IT'S EVEN LARGER THAN THAT.

SO WE PERSUADE HIM.

WE DON'T NEED THAT.

BE I HAD TO REDUCE THAT SIZE UNDER LIKE A 10,000 SQUARE FEET AND TWO STORY AND THE NOT EXCEED THE 28 FEET

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SO THEY GOT TO LIKE FOUR FEET HYDRATE ANYMORE, FIVE FEET APART.

SO THAT'S WHY THEY GO, THERE'S SO MANY STEPS.

IT LOOKS LIKE THAT.

BUT FOR THE ROOM SIZE, THERE'S A LAMINATED ROOM, LIVING ROOM, KITCHEN, THE ADDITIONAL LOT.

IT HAS SOME FRIEND TO VISIT.

I'VE BEEN THERE SEVERAL TIME VIA THE THEME, FREE COMEDY.

SO IT'S THAT MEAN? THERE'S A PARTY.

THERE'S NO, ANY, I DIDN'T SEE ANY PARTY.

YOU KNOW, HE'S A MONK HIMSELF.

HE HAS HIS FACULTY RELATION.

THAT'S WHY SOMETIME I JUST SEE THAT THERE'S SOME LIBERAL GRADING.

I HEAR ABOUT THAT BEFORE.

ALSO WE TRY TO COMPLIMENT WITH A CALL WITH A NEW DEVELOPMENT TO ELIMINATE ALL OF THE VIOLATION WITH A CODE AND THE WORD HEISMAN.

THE FIRST TIME I HEAR IT TONIGHT, I DON'T THINK HE MAKE THAT FOR LEAVING.

YOU KNOW, THEY, PEOPLE GAVE SOME DONATION TIMES.

IT'S NOT, I USE THIS AS A COMMERCIAL SIDE TO EARN SOME MONEY.

I DON'T THINK SO.

EVEN ME, LOTS OF PEOPLE HAVE HIM.

THEY DIDN'T CHARGE THE MONEY.

I DIDN'T TURN ANYTHING.

IT'S JUST HOW PAIN TO REALIZE HIS DREAMS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THAT WAS, THAT'S A PURPOSE ON WHAT I'M SPENDING IS JUST , I'M A LESS THAN CONTENT.

I KNOW.

IF HE DO SOMETHING, HE DID GO, I CANNOT RISK MY LESSON TO HAVE HIM TO DO SOMETHING WRONG.

NO, NOBODY WANT TO THAT.

ALSO WE CONSTANTLY ABOUT NEIGHBORHOODS.

WE TRY TO, DON'T DO EXCEED TOO HIGH TO, YOU KNOW, KEEP THE PRIVACY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE TRY TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE GOOD LIVING ENVIRONMENT FOR THAT IS I'M A LAND SANK.

YOU STILL WANT TO ADD, CLARIFY THE CONCEPT THAT THANK YOU.

BUT WE MAY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU SINCE YOU DO.

I MEAN, YEAH.

STAY UP HERE.

UM, THE WORK THAT WAS DONE CAN, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE WORK THAT WAS DONE? ALL OF IT.

THE NEW DESIGN.

I KNOW SOME OF IT'S NOT ME.

SOMEBODY DID THAT.

WHAT ABOUT THE, THE GRADING? ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THAT? YEAH.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO US WHICH PART WAS DONE? OH, THIS IS JUST THE CONCEPT DESIGN.

SO THE GRADING, WELL, YOU SEE, WHEN YOU GO TO THE GREEN COMPLIANCE SUMMIT BEFORE I REVEAL NO PROBLEM FOR THE RADIANT, NO VARIATION, THE MAJORS ABOUT THE ROAD AND SOME PART, I DON'T KNOW BEFORE WHAT THE LAND LOOK LIKE, WHY IT GOES OR IS LIKE THAT RIGHT NOW, IT'S ALWAYS BEING DONE BY SOMEBODY ELSE.

I DON'T KNOW THE PREVIOUS SITUATION, SO YEAH.

DOES ANYONE ELSE HAS A SHOW? SO WE'RE GONNA START WITH, UM, CHAIR, UM, FMA.

UM, WE DO HAVE A ZOOM CALL AND THERE IS A REQUEST THAT WE TAKE THE ZOOM CALL FIRST.

HE IS, HE'S CALLING FROM THE EAST COAST.

SO WE'RE THREE HOURS AHEAD.

YEAH, HIS NAME IS MR. MICHAEL.

HE IS A NEIGHBOR.

LET ME GO AHEAD AND UNMUTE, MR. GOOD.

HELLO? YES.

CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? YES.

YOU ARE LIVE, UM, TO ADDRESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION REGARDING 1140 SOUTH SPRING MEADOW.

UH, OKAY.

WELL, UH, THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME SOME TIME TO TALK TO THE COMMISSION.

UH, MY NAME IS MICHAEL GOOD, AND I REPRESENT THE FAMILY OF, UH, WILLIAM AND PEARL.

IMAGINE TO BE, UH, A TEMPLE COMPLEX OR RELIGIOUS, UH, COMPLEX, UM, WHICH, UH, I WOULD FEAR WOULD, UH, UH, SERVE THEIR PURPOSE OF HAVING LARGE NUMBERS OF VISITORS COME, UH, FOR RELIGIOUS PURPOSES.

UH, OUR EXTENDED FAMILY HAS LIVED AT 29, 43 SOUTH PICTURESQUE, JUST ADJACENT TO THE SPRING MEADOW PROPERTY SINCE, UH, 1962.

UM, NOW, UH, FOR SEVERAL YEARS SINCE, UH, THE CURRENT, UH, OWNERS, UH, HAVE OWNED, UH, THE SPRING METRO PROPERTY, HAVING BOUGHT IT FROM THE CRUDO FAMILY, UH, THEY'VE MAINTAINED IT AS A RELATIVELY NORMAL RESIDENTS FOR A SMALL NUMBER OF BUDDHIST MONKS, I BELIEVE.

UM, AND UH, NOW WE SEE, UM, THIS PROPOSAL, UH, WHICH IS, UH, ALMOST 16,000 SQUARE FEET OF, OF PROJECT IN ALL WITH, UH, LARGE MULTI-STORY BUILDINGS, UH, AND, UH, OUTBUILDINGS WITH WORKSHOPS AND GARAGES.

AND IT, YOU KNOW, WELL, I DON'T REALLY KNOW DIRECTLY WHAT THEIR INTENTION IS.

IT WOULD SEEM THAT THEY'RE BUILDING WHAT I WOULD

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UM, A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, UH, WITHOUT A PERMIT, THEY BROUGHT IN MANY, MANY TRUCKLOADS OF PHIL AND FILLED UP A RAVINE THAT WAS RIGHT ADJACENT TO OUR PROPERTY.

AND, UH, IN SPITE OF A CEASE AND DESIST ORDER PROCEEDED TO BUILD A VERY LARGE PARKING LOT.

UM, AND, UH, SO IT WOULD SEEM THAT THEY'RE PREPARING TO HAVE A LARGE NUMBERS OF VISITORS.

UH, WE DO HAVE A CONSIDERABLE LANGUAGE BARRIER WITH THEM, SO I'VE NEVER REALLY BEEN ABLE TO TALK TO THEM TO FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THEIR INTENTIONS ARE.

UM, BUT, UH, LOOKING AT THE PROJECT THAT THEY PROPOSE, UH, IT DOES SEEM TO BE, UH, A VERY LARGE PROJECT AND I CAN ASSUME THAT IT'S FOR A LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE AND IT WILL VERY NEGATIVELY IMPACT OUR HOUSE, UM, WHICH, UH, IS RIGHT UNDERNEATH THAT, THAT PROPERTY AND THE PARKING LOT THAT THEY BUILT, UH, WHICH HASN'T BEEN USED VERY MUCH IF IT IS, UH, USED, WE'LL HAVE LARGE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE LOOKING RIGHT INTO OUR HOME.

WE HAVE A MID CENTURY MODERN HOUSE WITH ALL GLASS, UH, SIDES, UH, LOOKING TO THE WEST.

AND IF THERE'S LARGE NUMBERS OF VISITORS, THEY'LL BE LOOKING, UH, RIGHT INTO, UH, INTO OUR HOME.

AND THAT WERE VERY, VERY NEGATIVELY AFFECT, UH, UH, OUR FAMILY.

UH, I ALSO HAVE CONCERNS, UH, IF, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY STILL HAVE A SEPTIC SYSTEM, UH, HOW A SEPTIC SYSTEM WOULD BE ABLE TO SUPPORT SUCH A LARGE STRUCTURE AND THE LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE COMING THERE.

UH, I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT WATER RUNOFF DURING A WINTER RAINSTORMS AND WHAT EFFECT THAT WOULD HAVE, UH, ON OUR PROPERTY.

UM, AND, UH, I ALSO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF, UH, OF SUCH A PROJECT, UH, WHEN THEY FILLED IN THE RAVINE, THEY WERE BEING USED TO BE A NATURAL WOODED RAVINE WITH, UH, CACTUSES AND TREES.

UH, THERE WAS AN ENDANGERED, UH, UH, CACTUS RAN A FAMILY THAT LIVED IN THAT RAVINE THAT I USED TO ENJOY WATCHING FOR MANY AN HOUR.

AND THAT CACTUS IS NOW GONE.

UH, I SEE IN THEIR PLANS A PLAN ON REMOVING, UH, THE OAK TREE, UH, OR AN OAK TREE, WHICH I THINK IS THE ONE ADJACENT TO OUR PROPERTY.

AND, UH, THAT, UH, NATURAL, UH, OAK IS THE HOME TO MANY SPECIES OF BIRDS, UH, BUSH TITS, UH, UH, YELLOW RUMP WARBLERS, UH, I'VE SEEN AN ASHEVILLE WARBURG WARBLER.

UM, SO THERE USED TO BE A LARGE AMOUNT OF WILDLIFE THAT LIVED IN THAT LITTLE, UH, VALLEY OR RAVINE.

UH, THAT'S NOW BEEN TURNED INTO A, UH, CONCRETE PARKING LOT.

AND, UH, I THINK THAT HAD A VERY NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT.

UH, SO IN ALL, UM, I AM VERY, VERY WORRIED ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING TO DO AND HOW IT WILL AFFECT, UH, ALL OF THE NEIGHBORS.

UH, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY SPEAK FOR OURSELVES TO HAVE A HUGE COMPLEX LOOMING OVER US, UH, UH, AND TO HAVE LARGE NUMBERS OF VISITORS PARKING IN A PARKING LOT THAT IS NOW LOOKING RIGHT INTO OUR PROPERTY IN A PLACE WHERE TRADITIONALLY, UH, FOR, YOU KNOW, SINCE 1962, UH, THERE WAS JUST A NATURAL RAVINE THERE, UM, UH, HAS THIS VERY CONCERNED AND I HOPE THAT, UH, YOU WILL, UH, NOT THIS, UH, PROJECT TO MOVE FORWARD, UH, IN OUR, UH, RESIDENTIAL AREA.

UM, DOESN'T SOUND LIKE, UH, AN APPROPRIATE PROJECT, UH, FOR, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, SO I THANK YOU VERY MUCH, UH, FOR HEARING MY CONCERNS.

I LIKE TO ASK THE QUESTION THEN.

DOES ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM SINCE HE'S ON THE PHONE? ARE WE ABLE TO ASK MR. GOOD, UM, QUESTIONS? OH, OKAY.

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UM, AND HOW LONG AGO MR. GOOD WAS, UM, DO THESE TWO ACTIVITIES OCCUR, UH, TO YOUR RECOLLECTION, UH, WITH, UH, THE RINGING AND A FILLING MATERIAL AND FILLING IN THE RAVINE AND, UH, AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE PARKING LOT.

UM, WAS THAT, HOW LONG AGO WAS THAT? I'M SORRY.

DURAN WAS, I REALLY COULDN'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.

OH, OKAY.

UM, EMAIL SPEAK LOUDER.

HOW LONG AGO DO YOU RECALL THAT, UH, THE FILLING IN OF THE RAVINE AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE PARKING LOT, WHEN DID IT OCCUR? WHEN WAS THAT? I THINK IT WAS ABOUT, UH, TWO, UH, TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO.

UH, WE MADE SOME INQUIRIES TO CITY HALL AND, UH, FOR AWHILE THEY ACTUALLY PUT A CEASE AND DESIST ON THE PROJECT.

UM, THEY WERE BRINGING IN A CONTAMINATED FILL, UH, FILLED WITH CHUNKS OF ASPHALT AND CONCRETE.

UM, AND, UH, THERE WAS A BRIEF PAUSE AND THEN THEY JUST CONTINUED AND, UH, WE WERE NEVER ABLE TO GET, UH, ANY KIND OF ANSWER FROM A CITY HALL AS TO WHETHER THAT WAS A LEGAL OR NOT.

UM, BUT, UH, UH, IT WAS, YOU KNOW, FAIRLY, FAIRLY UPSETTING TO US.

SO YOUR, TO, UH, YOUR UNDERSTANDING, THERE IS NO CONCLUSION IN TERMS OF, UM, UH, BUILDING A BUILDING OR CODE ENFORCEMENT ON THOSE ACTIVITIES.

UM, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF ECHO HERE, UM, BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT, UH, INITIALLY THERE WAS NO PERMIT, UH, AND, UH, THERE WAS A CEASE AND DESIST AND, UH, UH, SOME, UH, POLICE CAME AND, UH, I THINK SOME, UH, TOWN OFFICIALS CAME THERE WAS A LITTLE PAUSE AND THEN THEY STARTED CONTINUING THE WORK LATE AT NIGHT.

UM, THEY COMPLETED IT AND, UH, I, UH, UH, I WAS NEVER ABLE TO FIGURE OUT, UH, WHETHER, UH, UH, THAT THEY EVER GOT PERMISSION OR FORMAL, UM, UH, PERMITS TO, UH, TO BUILD A PARKING LOT.

UM, JOANNE, CAN YOU SHOW US ON THE MAP WHERE HE IS TALKING ABOUT THE GRADING AND WHERE THE RAVINE IS THAT I JUST NEED TO SEE WHICH PART OF I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE HIS? UM, I FELT LIKE IT'S ON TOP OF A HILL, SO I DON'T, I BELIEVE THAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT THIS, UM, PARKING PAD RIGHT HERE.

I'M SORRY.

WHERE IS IT AGAIN? THIS PARKING PAD, LIKE RIGHT ALONG HERE, I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT HE WAS REFERRING TO.

AND THEN WHERE IS THE RAVINA WHO WAS TALKING ABOUT RIGHT THERE? WHERE THE PARKING IS? OKAY.

THERE WAS A RAVINE WITH SNOW FILLED IN.

THIS, ANYONE ELSE HAS QUESTIONS SINCE HE'S ON ZOOM? I HAVE A QUESTION.

GLENN KENNEDY HERE.

UH, SO THAT PROPERTY STILL HAS A SEPTIC TANK DO ALL THOSE PROPERTIES.

WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH WITH ALL THE OPPOSITION.

STAN, YOU CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

UM, I THINK NEXT IS MICHAEL.

IS FROM THE, UH, COUNTY ASSESSOR.

I'M GOING TO ASK TO TAKE OFF THE MASK IF IT'S OKAY.

SO I CAN TALK.

MY NAME IS MIKE IMMIGRATE.

UH, ADDRESS IS TWO NINE FIVE THREE SOUTH CITRUS STREET.

AND I AM HERE ALSO TO OPPOSE THIS PROJECT, UH, ESPECIALLY IN ITS CURRENT FORMAT.

UM, WHAT I CAN ASCERTAIN HERE IS NOBODY HERE REALLY KNOWS WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY.

WE'VE HEARD SEVERAL DIFFERENT THINGS.

WE'VE HEARD NONPROFIT.

UH, ONE THING THAT STAFF DID NOT MENTION AND FAILED TO MENTION, WHICH IS VERY CRITICAL IS THAT THEY DON'T PAY ANY PROPERTY TAXES.

AND I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET AN ANSWER ON THAT FROM THE CITY FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS, OR ACTUALLY THEY BOUGHT THE PROPERTY IN 2012.

MY UNDERSTANDING

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YOU NEED A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THAT THAT'S ALL DERIVED AND DRIVEN FROM THE CITY.

UH, THERE'S BEEN NO ANSWERS FOR FIVE YEARS ON THIS PROPERTY.

THEY PAY $300 A YEAR IN PROPERTY TAXES.

HOW MANY PEOPLE HERE PAY PROPERTY TAX? I'M SORRY.

SO, SO THAT, THAT, THAT IS ISSUE.

NUMBER ONE, ISSUE.

NUMBER TWO, THERE WAS NO MENTION OF CURBS AND GUTTERS AND THEN A PRO UH, AN IMPROVEMENT PROJECT LIKE THIS, THE MASSIVE SIZE WE'VE HAD OTHER DEVELOPMENTS WITH, UH, WHERE THEY'VE HAD TO PUT IN CURBS AND GUTTERS ON THE STREET.

UM, MICHAEL OBVIOUSLY MENTIONED ABOUT THE SEPTIC TANK.

THAT'S A VERY, VERY BIG CONCERN ON A PROJECT THIS SIZE.

UM, WE'RE, WE'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT IT BEING A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING.

WE THINK THAT THIS IS SOMETHING OTHER THAN A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING.

UM, AND THEN BACK TO THE, UH, TAX EXEMPT STATUS, IT REQUIRES A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FROM THE CITY.

AND NOBODY THAT I KNOW OF WAS EVER NOTIFIED OF THAT WE FOUND THAT OUT AFTER THE FACT, UM, SPECIFIC TO THE PROJECT WITH THE GRADING, UM, VERY, VERY WELL INFORMED WITH THAT.

UM, THERE WAS NO EIR REPORT WITH REGARDS TO THAT, UH, RAVINE THAT MICHAEL WAS TALKING ABOUT, VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT WILDLIFE.

UM, SO HE'S, HE'S A, HE'S A GOOD RESOURCE FOR THAT.

UM, I, I WORKED WITH THE CITY WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, UH, EARLIER ON THAT.

AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS WHEN THEY WERE SHUT DOWN, THAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO TAKE ALL, ALL OF THE INGRESS SOIL OUT BECAUSE THAT WASN'T APPROVED EITHER.

YOU GOT A PRETTY GOOD IDEA WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE FROM MICHAEL, UM, THE, AND TAKE IT BACK TO ORIGINAL GRADE AND THEN START ALL OVER THE PROCESS THAT NEVER HAPPENED IN MYSTERIOUSLY.

THIS PROJECT GOT COMPLETED.

SO WE, I THINK A LOT OF US AROUND HERE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT TRANSPARENCY.

THERE'S BEEN A LOT BEEN GOING ON IN THIS PROPERTY FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

AND, UH, THE ONE THING THAT IS LACKING HERE AND ESPECIALLY FROM THE CITY IS TRANSPARENCY AS IT RELATES TO PROJECT.

AND, UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LOT MORE TRANSPARENCY FROM THE CITY, FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION, FROM THE CITY COUNCIL AND FROM THE PLANNING AND THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.

I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS THING IS APPROVED BY STAFF.

I MEAN, THIS IS A HOTEL GOING UP IN A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD, AND NOBODY'S EVEN TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ISN'T IN FACT, A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, IT APPEARED APPARENTLY IS NOT.

SO, UM, I'M OPPOSED TO THE PROJECT IN ITS CURRENT FORM.

AND NEXT IS RICH BRITTON, B R I T O.

RICH, ARE YOU HERE? OKAY.

I'M JIM LAWSON.

I'M SORRY.

IS IT DON OR DON? SORRY.

A LOT OF THE ISSUES THAT I WOULD RAISE HAVE ALREADY BEEN RAISED BY GOOD.

IT'S VERY OBVIOUS THAT THIS A CURRENT RESIDENT PRETTY MUCH IGNORES WHATEVER THE CITY CODE IS, DOES WHATEVER HE WANTS.

UH, I SAW SEVERAL TRUCK AND TRAILER LOADS.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY, BUT I SAW AT LEAST EIGHT OR NINE GO IN THERE TO THAT PROPERTY.

I'VE BEEN SURE THAT THERE'S PROBABLY CLOSER TO 20 OR 30.

THERE'S A LOT OF BAD MATERIAL IN THERE.

AND DOESN'T SOUND LIKE YOU GUYS HAD ANY APPROVAL OF IT.

NOW HE'S ASKING FOR, TO BUILD A HOTEL, IT'S CLEAR THAT HE WAS RUNNING A MEETING ROOM.

WE SENT HIM UP.

YOU GUYS HAVE POSTERS SHOWING THAT BEFORE HE'S RUNNING AB A BNB, IT'S CLEAR THAT THIS IS NOT WHAT IS BEING REPORTED.

AND I THINK YOU DID A VERY GOOD JOB IN LOOKING AT THE PLANS THAT IT'S GOING TO BE MORE THAN JUST A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.

SO I DEFINITELY DO NOT APPROVE.

OOPS, CALLED THE WRONG ONE.

A MEL ROMELL COMING UP.

YEAH, I DON'T REMEMBER IF SHE, BRIANNA IS A GIRL BE ALMOST A FILE.

SIX TIME THAT I BE HERE IN COURT, REGARDLESS MY, YOU KNOW, MY MOSES KAREEMAH WHO HAD, WHO OWNS THE GAS STATION CHEVRON RIGHT ON THE CORNER OFF ON THE WRONG ITEM OR ON ITEM, YOU GOT TO WAIT TILL THE NEXT CALL, HER MOUTH.

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SO IT'S SHERRY AND NING.

N I G N SHERRY SHERRY HERE.

WE APPRECIATE OUR CONSIDERATION.

YOU DON'T MIND.

SO THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO OUR CONCERNS MINOR.

SAME AS EVERYBODY ELSE THAT YOU'VE HEARD, UM, DOING RESEARCH AS WELL.

I FOUND SEVERAL, SEVERAL SITES THAT THIS WAS LISTED AS ON AIRBNB.

THERE'S PROBABLY ABOUT 10 DIFFERENT PLACES, UM, THAT IT'S SKYSCANNER HOTELS, UH, BOOKING.COM.

I CAN'T ALSO HELP, BUT TO THINK THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE SOME TYPE OF TEMPLE, UM, DOING SOME RESEARCH, THERE'S ONE IN THE AREA ALREADY PUBLISHED TO ME.

UM, MAYBE THEY DO A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH.

AND IF YOU GIVE A, YOU KNOW, A DONATION, YOU DON'T HAVE TO CLAIM THAT ON YOUR TAX RETURN.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS, BUT I FEEL JUST AS EVERYBODY ELSE, THAT SOMETHING IS AWRY HERE.

AND I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT VERY CAREFULLY, UM, SOME OF MY CONCERNS ARE, YOU KNOW, IF THIS IS APPROVED, HOW DO WE MONITOR THIS? AND IF SOMETHING HAPPENS NOW, WE'VE GOT THIS BIG, HUGE DANGER THAT WE CAN'T GO BACK ON.

UM, LET'S SEE, IS THE ZONING CHANGING? I WASN'T EVEN AWARE YOU COULD HAVE THAT TYPE OF ZONING HERE IN OUR AREA, IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, YOU KNOW, WHO, WHO WILL, WHO WILL CHECK THIS AFTERWARDS.

I KNOW WHEN ONCE THESE ARE BUILT THAT THAT'S IT.

AND THEN WE'RE LEFT KIND OF TO DEAL WITH THE AFTER EFFECTS.

UM, I THINK IT'S MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAN IT'S LEGALLY ALLOWED FOR THAT SIZE OF LOT, WHICH SEEMS, YOU KNOW, OVER THE TOP AS WELL.

SO THOSE ARE SOME OF MY CONCERNS.

UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE NEVER COMPLIED WITH, WITH ANYTHING THEY'VE BEEN ASKED BEFORE, YOU KNOW, SO I CAN'T SEE WHY THEY WOULD NOW.

UM, THERE WAS A BUS GOING IN AND OUT.

I MANAGE A HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET.

UM, I GOT A TEXT MESSAGE FROM MY TENANT SAYING THAT SOMETIMES WE SEE PEOPLE STANDING ON THE STREET RIGHT AFTER, OR THAT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE WAITING FOR A RIDE AFTER LEAVING THE HOUSE.

A COUPLE OF TIMES MY GIRLS HAVE THOUGHT THAT SOMEBODY HAS BEEN SCOPING OUT OUR HOUSE AND IT ENDS UP BEING PEOPLE FROM THE HOME.

SHE THINKS THAT SOMETHING ELSE IS BEING RAN OUT OF THERE CURRENTLY, BECAUSE THERE IS STUFF GOING ON AND PEOPLE LOITERING AROUND.

SHE HAS NO IDEA WHAT'S GOING ON.

UM, THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION IS I LIVE RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER, SO I DIDN'T GET A LETTER.

UM, LUCKILY I HAPPEN TO MANAGE THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET.

THAT'S HOW I FOUND OUT ABOUT IT.

UM, I'M JUST A STONE THROW AWAY ON FARVIEW.

THESE PROPERTIES ARE LARGER PROPERTIES AND THAT 300 SQUARE FEET JUST DOESN'T SEEM ADEQUATE.

I THINK IF EVERYONE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN A LETTER THAT WAS EVEN ON LARK HILL, THAT WORKS INTO SPRING MEADOW IN, IN THAT LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD, THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN PACKED, YOU KNOW, BUT THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS IT DIDN'T GET OUT.

I JUST FOUND OUT VERY, YOU KNOW, JUST A FEW DAYS AGO MYSELF.

AND SO I WASN'T ABLE TO GET ALL THE NEIGHBORS, BUT THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING IN CONSIDERATION FOR THESE LARGER PROPERTIES, BECAUSE IT ONLY, THE NOTICE ONLY WENT TO 25 HOMES.

AND FOR SOMETHING OF THIS SCALE, I THINK THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, GOT INTO MORE OF THE NEIGHBORS.

SO ANYWAY, THANK YOU FOR LISTENING.

UM, YES.

WELL, I THINK THAT WAS, UM, SO THAT WAS TODAY AND THERE'S, I MEAN, I WENT ON TODAY WHEN, AND I DON'T KNOW, I DIDN'T SEE MY LETTER BEING, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT ME TO LEAVE IT.

OH, OH, FANTASTIC.

UM, THERE WERE SEVERAL, LIKE I SAY, UM, THERE WAS EVEN A GUEST HOUSE RENTAL ON BOOKING.COM.

IT SAYS GUEST HOUSE RENTAL, UM, ON SKYSCANNER HOTEL, IT SAYS BED AND BREAKFAST.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE YOUNG LADY IS COOKING FOR HER, YOU KNOW, FOR THE BED AND BREAKFAST FOR, I DON'T KNOW, BUT IT'S, THERE'S PROBABLY ABOUT SEVEN SITES THAT I FOUNDED ON IN ADDITION TO, YOU KNOW, SHOWING IT AS A MONASTERY.

SO ANYWAY, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANK YOU, NEIL.

[01:15:03]

HI.

UM, YEAH, UH, PRETTY MUCH, UM, THE PEOPLES BEFORE ME, UH, EXPLAIN PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING.

UM, THERE'S ONLY TWO THINGS I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS.

UH, I HAVE ALL THE RECORDS I'M LEAVING AT 1132, WHICH IS ATTACHED TO THIS PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, I'M RIGHT NEXT TO IT.

UH, I HAVE ALL THE RECORDS, ALL THE PICTURES, WHAT HE'D DONE BEFORE.

SO THE FIRST TRUCK WAS LOADING AT 2014, JUNE 30TH.

IT WASN'T LIKE A 50 IT'S ABOVE 50 TRUCKS.

ACCORDING TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE NEIGHBOR, BEST TOP.

HE SAID IT'S MORE THAN A HUNDRED, BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS NOT THAT MUCH.

NOT THAT MANY TRUCKS.

UH, THOSE ARE 10 WHEEL TRACTORS.

I MEAN, AND THEY'RE JUST FILLED UP THE SLOPE AND MAKE IT LIKE A THREE LEVEL OF PROPERTY RIGHT NOW.

SO IF YOU NEED ALL THOSE RECORDS, ALL THE PICTURE, I DO HAVE THOSE.

AND WHEN HE DOES THE CONSTRUCTION, ACTUALLY THE OWNER DOES HIMSELF.

I TRIED TO TELL HIM THAT, HEY, YOU'RE NOT IN THIS BUSINESS, YOU SHOULDN'T DO THIS.

AND BASICALLY HE JUST RENT A BOBCAT, YOU KNOW, EVERY DAY, DAY, AND NIGHT WE CAN, HE WORKED ON THAT, HE'S HE? HE DOES.

HE HAD DONE IT BY HIMSELF.

IT'S PRETTY AMAZING.

I TOLD HIM THAT THE, IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE, DON'T DO IT, YOU KNOW, AND HE'S LIKE, HE KNOWS HOW TO DO IT.

SO, UM, THE FIRST RETAINING WALL ON THAT PROPOSAL IS NOT CORRECT.

THAT'S NOT A RETAINING WALL.

THAT'S A WALL THAT BUILT ON TOP OF THE DIRT.

TWO YEARS AGO, HE BUILT A RETAINING WALL ON THE TOP LEVEL.

HE BUILT A RETAINING WALL TWO YEARS AGO, COLLAPSED TWO YEARS AGO, THERE WAS A RAINING WEEK OR, OR FOUR FOR LIKE A 10 DAYS.

IT'S ABOUT LIKE 80 FEET OF RETAINING WALL CLAPS.

I DO HAVE THE PICTURES.

AND THE SECOND OF THAT, THE, UH, THE GENTLEMEN MENTIONED THAT ABOUT THE SEPTIC TANK ON THE SPRING METAL DRIVE.

WE ALL USE THE SEPTIC TANK AND THE GENTLEMEN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, UM, OWNER OF 1140, A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WHEN HE'D DO THE CONSTRUCTION AND HE'S DRIVING THAT THE BOBCAT, HE BROKE THE MAIN DRAIN OFF HIS PROPERTY.

THAT AT THAT TIME I TOOK A PICTURE.

I TOOK THE VIDEO, YOU SEE THE LEAKS, YOU KNOW, THE WATER COMING DOWN.

BUT LUCKILY THAT WAS AT THE CENTER OF HIS PROPERTY, BUT HE, HE, HE REROUTED, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE LAST YEAR OR EARLY THIS YEAR, HE REROUTED A STRAIN, FOUR INCH PIPE TO MY RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE BETWEEN ME AND HIM.

AND THE BAD THING HAPPENS EARLY THIS YEAR, THE PIPE BROKES.

SO ALL THE DARK WATER IS IN MY YARD.

AND I CALL THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, THE COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, THE CITY, THEY SEND THE THEY'VE BEEN SENDING TO TEAM TO MY HOUSE AND, YOU KNOW, INVESTIGATE AND PROVE THAT WATER IS DARK WATER, PRETTY SMELL.

AND THEN THE, UH, STEEL IS STILL LEAKING AS OF TODAY.

SO I HAD A, I HAD TO TALK TO THE, UH, THE OWNER SEVERAL TIMES IN THE PAST WHEN HE IS IN TOWN.

AND HE, HE, HE TRIED TO FIX THAT, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S INCOMPLETE.

IT'S STILL LEAKING TODAY.

I SAID RIGHT NOW, SO I SMELL THAT EVERY NIGHT, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, I RE AFTER FOUR OR FIVE O'CLOCK.

SO THIS IS, THESE ARE TWO THINGS I LIKE TO ADDRESS.

AND THEN THE HOPE, YOU KNOW, AND LIKE THE GENTLEMEN SAID, THE HOPE, EVERYTHING IS TRANSPARENT.

YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN FOLLOWING SO MANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT THIS NEIGHBOR AND JUST NOTHING'S, THAT'S BEING DONE.

YOU KNOW, I MET THE, UH, INSPECTOR.

I MET THE POLICE OFFICER.

UH, HE SEEMS LIKE HE STILL BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, DO WHAT HE LIKES TO DO.

SO THIS IS LIKE TWO POINTS TODAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, GENTLEMEN.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

MADAM CHAIR, IF I MAY ASK THE GENTLEMEN, YOUR NAME IS NEIL, SIR.

YOU SAID A COUPLE OF TIMES YOU, YOU SPOKE WITH THE OWNER, CORRECT.

WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU SPOKE TO THAT OWNER? UH, A FEW MONTHS AGO.

YOU KNOW, WHEN THAT, WHEN THAT, WHEN THEIR DRAIN PIPE BROKEN, I KIND OF SAW HIM.

I THINK IT WAS, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A, THERE WAS ANOTHER LADY UP THERE I SAW, HE WAS TALKING WITH OUR LADY IS, IS THE APPLICATION CAUCASIAN LADY, I GUESS THAT'S A BNB, YOU KNOW, CUSTOMER.

SO I KIND OF, UH, I CALL HIS NAME.

I CALLED THE OWNER'S NAME.

HE PRETEND I'M NOT HERE UNTIL THE LADY SAYS, OH, HE SEEMS LIKE HE'S WANTING TO TALK.

HE'S POINTING TO ME.

IT SEEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO TALK TO THE OWNER AND HE TURNED BACK TO ME.

HE SAYS, OH, WHAT CAN I DO FOR YOU? THAT WAS PROBABLY ABOUT TWO, THREE MONTHS AGO.

THAT WAS THE LAST TIME I SAW HIM.

IS HE, IS HE A MONK OR DO YOU TAKE HIM AS A, AS A RELIGIOUS? SOME MONK? I MEAN, HE TOLD ME HE'S A MONK.

HE'S A MOM.

HE ACTED LIKE A MONKEY.

[01:20:01]

AND THIS IS THE ONLY OWNER YOU ARE AWARE OF THIS, OF THIS PROPERTY OVER THE, UH, WHEN YOU MOVE IN.

THAT WAS PRETTY, UH, I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT YEAR HE MOVED IN PROBABLY 2000 EARLY, 2010, SOMEWHERE.

UM, IN THE VERY BEGINNING I TALKED TO HIM AND WHEN HE MOVED IN AND THEN HE SAID, IT WAS SAYING THAT THE OWNER WAS HIS MASTER.

WELL, IF I CAN CALL IT A MASTER, YOU KNOW, AND NOT TOO LONG AGO AND YOU KNOW, WELL, WHY DOES HE MOVE IN? HE WON ONE TIME.

HE SAID THE MASTER PASSED AWAY.

YOU KNOW, ALL HIS, YOU KNOW, HE DIDN'T SAY THAT HE TOOK OVER THE PROPERTY.

HE JUST SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, SINCE THEN I SAW HIM.

HE'D BEEN, HE'D BEEN LIVED THERE FOR FOUR, FOUR YEARS.

YOU MENTIONED THAT, UH, THE DRAIN LINE, UH, UH, ON HIS PROPERTY, UM, WHEN IT WAS DAMAGED, THAT'S THE DRAIN LINE TO THE SEPTIC SYSTEM, CORRECT? CORRECT.

AND YOU HAD CONTACTED COUNTY PUBLIC HEALTH REGARDING, UH, THE DAMAGE TO THE SYSTEM BECAUSE YOU WERE HAVING OVERFLOWS WHERE THERE AT TIMES OVERFLOW ISSUES OR LEAK ISSUES THAT WERE RUNNING ONTO YOUR PROPERTY? NO, HE, UH, UH, HE, DURING THE CONSTRUCTION, WHEN HE, WHEN HE, WHEN HE'D DO THE GRADING HIMSELF, I THINK ACCIDENTALLY, HE, HE CALLED, HE DAMAGED HIS OWN, THE MAIN, THE ORIGINAL SU I MEAN THE ORANGE LINE YEAH.

DRAIN.

AND THEN THE, UH, HE PROBABLY FIX IT, BUT JUST EARLY THIS YEAR OR LAST YEAR, HE DO THAT GRADING AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I SAW THE BOBCAT, UH, YOU KNOW, BACK TO THE YARD AGAIN.

AND I'VE, I FOUND OUT THAT HE RATHER THE DRAIN TO, YOU KNOW, IN BETWEEN OUR PROPERTY LINE, YOU KNOW, RIGHT, RIGHT.

ON THE PROPERTY LINE ACTUALLY.

SO EARLY THIS YEAR, THEN THE, MY KNEES FIND OUT THAT THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THERE WAS A LEAKING AND THEN I GOT A COUPLE OF DOCS AND THE DOCS HAS STARTED DIGGING ON THE FENCE.

YOU KNOW, I, WHEN I SEE THOSE LEAKING THE DOC WATER, COMING TO MY PROPERTY, I WONDER, AND I ABOUT IT.

I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN, WE CAN TELL WHAT IS IT THEN, THEN THE, UH, SO I, I STOPPED CHASING AFTER HIM, YOU KNOW, GO AFTER HIM.

BUT FOR A WHILE, HE, HE WASN'T THERE, HE WASN'T THERE.

SO ON TO LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, A FEW TIMES THIS YEAR I MET HIM.

I TOLD HIM THAT YOU HAVE TO FIX IT.

YOU KNOW, I, I CAN, I KIND OF LIVE AS THIS, LIKE THIS.

AND I CALL THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.

THEY RESPONDS TWICE.

THEY COME TWICE.

AND THEN THEY VERIFIED THAT LEAKING IS COMING FROM THAT PROPERTY IS STOCK WATER.

SO TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, DID THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, UH, CITE HIM FOR, UM, OR THIS PROBLEM SO THAT HE WOULD, UH, BE, BE ON NOTICE TO FIX IT? RIGHT.

IS THERE ANYONE WANTS A QUESTION? UM, SALLY MORALES, SALLY, ARE YOU WITH ITEM NUMBER TWO OR THREE? UM, MEL.

HELLO, I'M CAMILLE BRINSON, THE NEIGHBOR AT 1157 SOUTH SPRING MEADOW DRIVE.

AND AT THIS POINT I THINK MOST OF MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED.

I SPENT A GOOD AMOUNT OF TIME GOING OVER THE LITERATURE, AND A LOT OF MY QUESTIONS HAD TO DO WITH ZONING, BUT MY BIGGEST CONCERN WAS WITH THE TRANSPARENCY OF THE PROJECT, BECAUSE IT DIDN'T APPEAR TO BE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN A SINGLE FAMILY AREA.

SO I THINK CONSIDERATION AND I, THAT YOU, THIS PROJECT, THANK YOU.

YOU HAVE ANY, I ENDURED ALL THE TRUCKS AND WENT UP AND DOWN THE STREET.

EXCUSE ME.

WHEN WAS THAT? YOU ENDURED ALL THOSE TRUCKS FOUR OR FIVE, FIVE YEARS AGO.

WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK TO THE BIKES, BACK TO THE MICROPHONE.

AND THEN THERE WERE THE LIGHTS AT NIGHT WHEN THEY WERE WORKING.

THEY HAD SPOTLIGHTS WORKING AT NIGHT WHEN THEY WERE DOING WHATEVER AFTER I DID MAKE A PHONE CALL AND OTHER PEOPLE MADE PHONE CALLS TO TRY TO DETERMINE WHAT WAS GOING ON AND WHY ALL OF THIS SOIL AND ALL THESE TRUCKS KEPT BLOWING UP THE STREET DUMPING.

AND, UM, I WASN'T GOING TO SAY TOO MUCH, BUT I ACTUALLY DON'T LIVE ON SPRING METAL.

VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

UM, I THINK THAT'S IT WITH EXCEPTIONAL SOLID MARYELLA'S I'M NOT SURE.

OKAY, GO AHEAD.

COME ON.

MY NAME IS SHIRLEY LEE

[01:25:02]

I LIVE ON LOS ROSIS AND ACTUALLY MY PROPERTY BACKS UP INTO THIS PROPERTY.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, I WAS, UM, WHEN THE PROPERTY CHANGED OWNERSHIP, IT WAS VERY EVIDENT BECAUSE, UH, ALL OF A SUDDEN SUSPICIOUS THINGS STARTED HAPPENING.

UM, THERE, THERE WAS A SHACK BUILT ON THE CORNER OF THE LOT, AND IT'S LIKE IN THE CORNER OF WHERE MY POOL EQUIPMENT WAS.

AND IT WAS LIKE A, WELL, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WHERE MY POOL MAN CALLED IT A TIAWANA SHIT.

AND, UM, SO I CALLED THE CITY AND I WAS REALLY CONCERNED BECAUSE IT WAS REALLY RAMSHACKLE, YOU KNOW? AND, UH, THEY SAY, WELL, IT'S WITHIN THE, YOU KNOW, THE DIMENSIONS OR WHATEVER.

THAT'S WHAT THE CITY SAID.

AND THEN, UH, LATER ON, AND WHAT CONCERNED ME TOO, WAS THAT SHACK WAS BUILT BETWEEN THE POWER POLES.

THERE ARE, UH, THERE ARE POWER, THERE ARE THREE POWER POLES BACK THERE AND IT WAS BUILT INSIDE AND I'M GOING, WHAT IF THE WIRES COME DOWN, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A FIRE HERE IN THE CORNER.

BUT ANYWAY, WHAT EVENTUALLY HAPPENED IS THEY REBUILT IT AND IT'S MORE LIKE A STRUCTURE AND IT LOOKS BETTER, BUT WHAT'S WEIRD ABOUT IT IS THAT MY FRIEND DID, AND I WOULD LOOK OVER THERE AND GO, IS THERE SOMEONE LIVING IN THERE BECAUSE THERE'D BE A LIGHT.

AND SO I, YOU KNOW, HERE, I'M HEARING THAT SOME, THIS BED AND BREAKFAST THING IS THAT BEING USED.

IT SAYS A SPACE TOO, WHATEVER, BUT ANYWAY, IT'S NOT, IT'S, IT'S JUST IN THE CORNER OF THE PROPERTY AND I CAN SEE IT.

AND THEN A WHILE BACK, THEY, UM, MY NEIGHBOR AND I HAVE THIS, UH, SITUATION WHERE THEY BUILT THE CYPRESS HEDGES AND THEY'RE REALLY TALL.

THEY'RE GOING TO GET TALLER.

AND AGAIN, THE POWER LINES ARE RIGHT ABOVE IT.

AND AGAIN, I, YOU KNOW, I WORRY ABOUT THAT.

AND SO WHEN EDISON WAS DOING THEIR REFURBISHING OF THE POWER POSE, UM, YOU KNOW, MANY TIMES THEY COME OVER TO MY SITE TO ACCESS THE POWER POLES THAT ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE, IT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF MY PROPERTY.

IT'S NOT ON MY PROPERTY AND THEY'LL SAY, WELL, WE CAN'T GET IN THROUGH THE GATES.

WE CAN'T GET ACCESS THROUGH SPRING METAL.

AND THAT'S HAPPENED MANY, MANY TIMES.

CAUSE SO IT'S WORRISOME BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT JUST SEEMS SUSPICIOUS.

AND MY NEIGHBOR THAT I HAD LIVED NEXT DOOR TO ME FOR 28 YEARS, I DIDN'T, I WASN'T AWARE OF WHAT WAS GOING ON BECAUSE I HAVE A SLOPE UNLESS I GO UP TO THE SLOPE AND LOOK DOWN.

THE ONLY THING I SAW WAS THE SHACK.

I COULD SEE THAT, BUT I COULDN'T SEE THE ACTUAL PROPERTY, BUT MY NEIGHBOR SAID TO ME, UM, HAVE YOU, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE TEMPLE? ON THE OTHER SIDE, I GO, WHAT TEMPLE? YOU KNOW, AND THIS WAS QUITE A FEW YEARS AGO.

AND SO I LOOKED IT UP ONLINE AND AGAIN, I SAW A LISTING FOR SOME TYPE OF RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION.

THEY HAVE SINCE TAKEN THAT DOWN, BUT IT WAS LISTED AND THERE WERE ACTUAL PICTURES THAT I SAW THAT I COULD SEE THAT IT WAS, YOU KNOW, HAD, YOU KNOW, PICTURES OF A BUDDHIST KIND OF A RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION.

AND SO, UM, INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, MY, MY NEIGHBOR HAS SINCE MOVED AND I, I, HE JUST MOVED DOWN THE STREET.

SO I'M GOING, HE DIDN'T WANT, IT'S PROBABLY SAY THAT HE DIDN'T WANT TO OWN THAT PROPERTY ANYMORE BECAUSE MAYBE FROM HIS VANTAGE POINT, HE HAD A LOOKOUT ON THE SIDE OF HIS PROPERTY.

SHE COULD SEE THE ACTUAL HOUSE.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT IT'S JUST CONCERNING.

AND, UM, TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT LARGE, THAT'S GOING TO BE BUTTED UP AGAINST MY PROPERTY ON THE OTHER SIDE, THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE RIGHT NOW.

AM I MY NEIGHBOR? AND SO I, YOU KNOW, AND ALSO, NO, IT'S OKAY.

IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM APPROPRIATE.

YOU KNOW, WHAT IS OUR ZONING? OUR ZONING IS RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT CHANGES THE NATURE AND THE CHARACTER OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND SO THAT'S, UM, I JUST WANTED TO AIR THAT AND THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT I SEE FROM MY SIDE, BECAUSE I'M MORE ON LEVEL WITH THAT PROPERTY WHERE I CAN ACTUALLY SEE A CAR PARKED ON THE OTHER SIDE.

AND SO W ONCE THIS IS BUILT, I, I THINK I'M GOING TO BE SEEING A LOT MORE ACTIVITY RIGHT.

AT MY YARD LEVEL, YOU KNOW? SO ANYWAY, THANK YOU.

I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU SHORTLY BEFORE IN YOUR COMMENTS, YOU MENTIONED WHEN THE OWNERSHIP CHANGED NOW, WHEN WAS THAT AND HOW DO YOU KNOW OWNERSHIP CHANGE OWNERSHIP? CH I LOOKED IT UP TOO, BUT I NOTICED THAT WHAT HAPPENED WAS, UM, THERE WAS A BIG TREE, YOU KNOW, WHEN I FIRST MOVED IN, IN 1990 AND IT FELL OVER, YOU KNOW, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AND, AND IT JUST, UM, THEN I THOUGH, OH, WELL THE TREE FELL AND THEN THE SHACK APPEAR AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, QUITE A FEW YEARS AGO,

[01:30:01]

THE SHACK APPEARED AND THEN THE CYPRESS HEDGES, AND THEN I WOULDN'T LOOK AND IT, IT JUST WAS DIFFERENT.

IT LOOKED DIFFERENT ON THE OTHER SIDE, BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M NOT ONE FOR GOING TO THE CORNER OF MY PROPERTY AND LOOKING, BUT I COULD, ESPECIALLY THE CYPRESS HEDGES, THEY'RE GOING TO BE HUGE AND EDISON'S GOING TO HAVE TO COME AND TRIM IT AND THAT THEY DID COME AND CHECK THE BACKYARD.

UM, AND I SAID, BUT THIS HAD JUST AROUND THEIR SITE AND THEY GO, WELL, WE CAN'T GET IN.

SO THEY HAD TO COME THROUGH MY YARD AND THEY TRIMMED IT.

BUT, UH, YEAH, THOSE, THOSE, AND, AND EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, I'LL SEE A PERSON ON THE OTHER SIDE DOING SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, CLIMBING UP THERE.

AND THAT'S WHEN I NOTICED TOO, WHEN, WHEN, UH, SOMEONE CLIMBED UP TO THE BACK THERE.

OH, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION THOUGH, SINCE YOU LIVED THERE FOR 28 YEARS, UM, BESIDES THE SHOCK THAT WAS DONE TO THE PROPERTY IS THERE AND THE GRADING AND ALL THE OTHER STUFF.

WHAT ABOUT THE MAIN HOUSE? THE MAIN HOUSE, WHEN I GO UP TO MY SLOW AND IT'S BEHIND MY POOL, I GO UP AND I LOOKED DOWN AND I SEE THE ROOF OF THE HOUSE.

SO THERE'S ANOTHER STEEP INCLINE, BUT IF THEY'RE GOING TO GRADE, ARE THEY GOING TO GRADE INTO THAT HILLSIDE TO MAKE THE HOUSE? I DON'T KNOW.

YOU KNOW, I THINK I'M RIGHT.

I'M BEHIND THERE.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WOULDN'T GRADE INTO THAT HILLSIDE TO, YOU KNOW, BE CLOSER TO THE, TO MY PROPERTY LINE.

SO I, YOU KNOW, BUT THE HOUSE IS, YOU KNOW, DOWN BELOW.

YOU SENDING MY QUESTIONS.

PLANNING COMMISSION, CALLING ROSATI ELECTED CITY, TREASURER, WEST COVINA, BEAUTIFUL PRESIDENT AND FORMER PLANNING COMMISSIONER FROM 2004, 2010.

I'M HERE TONIGHT TO SPEAK ON ITEM TWO ADMINISTRATIVE USE PERMIT 17 DASH 15.

I WAS, WHILE I DON'T LIVE IN THIS AREA, I HAVE MANY FRIENDS THAT DO, AND I WAS RECENTLY CONTACTED ABOUT THEIR CONCERN ABOUT THIS PROJECT.

I'D LIKE TO COMMEND THE COMMISSION ON YOUR DUE DILIGENCE AND THE GREAT QUESTIONS THAT YOU'RE ASKING AS WELL AS THE RESIDENTS WHO HAVE COME OUT TO SPEAK TONIGHT IN REFERENCE TO THIS, TO ECHO WHAT TAMMY JUST SAID, MANY OF MY QUESTIONS HAVE ALREADY BEEN ASKED, BUT I'D LIKE TO JUST THROW OUT A FEW THAT MAYBE YOU HAVEN'T THOUGHT OF, IF THIS IS CURRENTLY A BUSINESS AND OR TEMPLE, IS IT STILL ZONED RESIDENTIAL OR DOES IT NEED TO BE REZONED COMMERCIAL? HELLO, AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION ASKED, IF IT WILL BE AN AIRBNB, THERE WAS AN AD THAT WAS POSTED.

AND AS YOU ALL REMEMBER, THERE WAS AN ORDINANCE PUT THROUGH IN 2018 THAT BANNED ERIN B FROM WEST COVINA, AFTER A MURDER SHOOTING OF A YOUNG STUDENT WHO ATTENDED A FLYER PARTY AT AN AIRBNB, THAT STUDENT HAPPENED TO BE ONE OF MY STUDENTS THAT WAS TWO WEEKS AWAY FROM GRADUATING FROM WEST COVINA HIGH SCHOOL.

UM, AND IF SO, IF THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE AN AIRBNB, WILL THAT ORDINANCE THEN BE CHANGED? RESIDENTS CURRENTLY ARE CONCERNED WITH THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING UP AND DOWN THAT STREET APPARENTLY ARE SHUTTLES TAKING FOLKS TO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.

UM, THERE'S A CONCERN FOR PEOPLE WHO WALK ALONG THOSE ROADS BEING HIT BECAUSE IT'S QUITE WINDY AS A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION WHEN OWNING A PIECE OF PROPERTY.

AND I THINK THIS MAY HAVE BEEN ANSWERED IF WE COULD VERIFY THAT DOES THE PROPERTY OWNER PAID PROPERTY TAXES? THAT'S THE QUESTION I WOULD LIKE TO STRESS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB.

PLEASE CONTINUE TO DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE ON THIS PROJECT AND BE MINDFUL OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS IN THIS AREA FOR THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE AND THEIR SAFETY.

MY SUGGESTION IS TO CONTINUE THIS PROJECT UNTIL YOU HAVE MORE INFO.

AND BE, BUT SO COME ON UP.

UM, DOES THE OWNERS, ANYONE ELSE THE OWNER, I GUESS NO ONE ELSE IS AGAINST THIS PROJECT OR WHAT WOULD LIKE TO, IF NOT, WE'LL HAVE THE OWNERS TO COME BACK

[01:35:01]

SO IF I MAY MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE OF LIKE TO EXPLAIN THE PROCESS TO YOU, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

THAT IS THE APPLICANT.

THE APPLICANT IS AFFORDED DUE PROCESS RIGHTS AND IS GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE COMMENTS THAT YOU HAVE MADE TONIGHT VERY DAY.

APPRECIATE SO MANY NEIGHBORHOODS CONCERN ABOUT THE PROJECT.

SO I THINK THE TRANSFER, THE INFORMATION TO THE OWNER AND ALSO CT HONG KONG, EITHER FROM WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING IS TO THE PROPOSAL IS JUST ABOUT A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.

ALL OF THE PREVIOUS VIOLATIONS.

I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE GRADING.

I HEARD THAT THERE'S SOME PROMETHIUM LATER ON FOR THAT KIND OF READING.

I'M NOT SURE THAT, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, OUR COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE FOR THE NEW DEVELOPMENT AND MAKE SURE IN THE FUTURE, THE LESSON CONTRACT, THERE WAS SOMEBODY ELSE CAN'T DO THE PROJECT CALLING THE CITY CODE AND THE BUILDING RUNNING DEPARTMENT WILL REVIEW THAT THE CONDITION FOR ME TO ACCOMMODATE ALL THE REQUIREMENTS, I THINK, AS A HELPER TO THE OWNER.

SO WE WILL ACCEPT ALL THE COMMENTS I HAD TO PERSUADE THE OWNER.

YOU KNOW, YOU VERY GOOD CONCERN ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD NOISY, CANTOLA ENVIRONMENTAL EBC, ET CETERA.

SO I JUST SAY THAT.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

IF I COULD ASK IT, AM I GOING TO COME BACK UP TO THE MIC, SIR? NO, I'M CONFUSED.

I'M TRYING TO GET A NEXUS FROM THE PREVIOUS OWNER TO THIS OWNER.

HOW, WHO, WHO OWNS IT RIGHT NOW? WHO'S THE OWNER.

OH YEAH.

WHO'S THE OWNER.

I MEAN, SOMEBODY WHO'S WRITING YOU A CHECK, SEEM TO THING.

HI.

IF HE'S ALSO THIS GUY HERE, HAI HAI, HAI, HAI XII IS THE OWNER.

WHERE'S THE, WHERE, WHERE DOES HE, WHERE DOES HE LIVE? HE'S SEEING HERE STAYING HERE RIGHT NOW.

HE'S NOT HERE.

I KNOW HE'S NOT HERE, BUT WHERE DOES HE RESIDE? HE'S IN THAILAND RIGHT NOW, CHINA.

AND PRIOR, PRIOR TO HIM, WHO WAS THE OWNER OF DOING ALL THE SPEAKERS HAVE REFERENCED THE, YOU KNOW, UH, SITUATIONS GOING ON FOR FIVE OR SIX YEARS AT THIS ADDRESS.

AND I'M TRYING TO CONNECT THE DOTS OKAY.

WITH THE OWNERS.

IN OTHER WORDS, YOU WERE TAKING NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE ILLEGAL GRADING THAT WAS DONE.

YOU'RE SAYING THAT WAS DONE BY THE PREVIOUS OWNER.

IS THAT CORRECT? NO, I DIDN'T SEE THAT PRETTY WELL.

I DON'T KNOW WHO THESE LEFT.

YOU DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE JUST HAPPENED.

I JUST HEARD THAT.

SO I HEARD THAT ALSO.

I HEARD THAT THIS OWNER, IT'S NOT FAVORITE SONG.

I DON'T THINK IT'S THE FAVORITE SONG.

I ACTUALLY COME FROM A LOT.

I DON'T KNOW.

HE'S A NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL.

SO I JUST NEWLY JOINED THIS PROJECT.

I THINK HE'S THE OWNER.

I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE STAFF REPORT AND THE PROJECT SITE AS AN OUTSTANDING CODE AMENDMENT CASE FOR UN-PERMITTED GRADING.

IT'S OUTSTANDING.

IT HAS NOT BEEN CLOSED.

IT'S NOT BEEN RESOLVED.

AND IT SAYS THE PROPERTY OWNER WHO I GUESS IS THE GENTLEMAN IN CHINA, IS WORKING WITH THE CITY TO ADDRESS THE UNPERMITTED, GRADING, WORKING WITH THE CITY TO ADDRESS THE UNPRINTABLE.

HE SHOULD BE DOING THAT.

HE SHOULD BE DOING THAT TO DO THAT FORMAT AND SEND YOU HE'S PROPOSING THE NEW DEVELOPMENT IS A NEW ENVIRONMENT, ACCOMMODATE ALL THE VARIATION OF ALL THE GRADING.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S WILL BE A NEW GRADING BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF CHANGE ON RETAINING WALL.

SO THEN THEY WILL COMPLY WITH THE CODE, BUT THE NEW DEVELOPMENT IN ONE TIME, NO MATTER WHAT KIND OF VARIATION WE'LL GET IT DONE FOR THE NEW ENVIRONMENT.

SO THAT'S MY, I THINK ABOUT THAT'S MORE EFFICIENTLY THAN WELL, SO ALL THE PROBLEMS AND ALSO WHEN DOING CONCESSION, TRIED TO, YOU KNOW, OKAY, THE NEIGHBORHOOD DON'T DO IT AT NIGHT TIME.

PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT THAT.

WE NEVER COME TO THAT.

WE DO A LOT OF PARTIES.

WE CONCERNED ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD VERY MUCH CANNOT DO THAT.

THE GENTLEMAN IN CHINA, H A I X I N.

OH, HE SAID, DON TELLING YOU THAT 2012 AND WHO FROM WHOM DID HE PURCHASE IT? DO YOU KNOW? OH, SURE.

HOW LONG HAS HE OWNED THE PROPERTY? DO YOU KNOW?

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I GOT IT.

JUST A QUESTION FOR STAFF CAN'T WE GO TO BUREAU RECORDS TO FIND OUT WHO IS THE LEGAL OWNER AT THIS POINT IN TIME, AND YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO GO BACK YEARS WHO OWNED IT PREVIOUS TO THAT TIME.

YOU GET A TIMETABLE.

I MEAN, THERE'S GOTTA BE, THERE'S GOTTA BE TITLE CHANGES AND THINGS IN CERTAIN DATES THAT I RECORDED WITH THE BUREAU OF RECORDS OR WHATEVER THE OFFICIAL NAME IS.

AND WE COULD, IF I MAY A COMMISSIONER YES.

A LOT OF SAME WAY.

THINK I OWN THE PROPERTY BY HIS FACE ON ME FOR IT.

BUT THEN EVERYONE'S THROUGH THE LEGAL MOTIONS TO REALLY BE THE LEGAL OWNER.

AND WE TRIED TO DO THAT.

WE, WE CAN COMMISSIONER YES, WE CAN, UH, ALL A TITLE REPORT TO THE PROPERTY.

UM, WE HAVE NOT DONE THAT AT THIS POINT.

UM, BUT YES, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT AND FIND OUT WHEN THE CURRENT THING GOING TO ANSWER A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS, EMAIL ADDRESS FOR YOU.

I LIKE THE, AS THE QUESTION OF FOLLOW UP ON THIS MATTER OF THE OTHER WORK THAT HAS OCCURRED, UH, GOING BACK TO 2014, 15 OF FILM MATERIAL BEING BROUGHT IN AND A PARKING LOT BEING CONSTRUCTED AND, UH, SO FAR, UM, ONLY UNDERSTANDING THAT I HAVE SO FAR IS THAT THAT WORK WAS DONE UNPERMITTED AND, AND THAT, UH, ANY MEASURE OF RECTIFICATION OF THAT UNPERMITTED WORK HAS NOT BEEN, UH, BEEN MET TO THE STATE AND THERE'S NOTHING BEEN DONE, UH, TO, UH, CORRECT ANY PROBLEMS THAT RESULTED FROM DOING THAT UNPERMITTED FIELD WORK AND CONSTRUCTION OF THAT PARKING LOT.

SO YOU'RE, DO YOU SAY THAT YOU'RE NOT HAVING ANY KNOWLEDGE OF THE WORK THAT WAS DONE TO BRING IN FILM MATERIAL AND BUILD THAT PARKING LOT? OH, I DON'T KNOW.

I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT.

I JUST HEARD THAT HE MENTIONED THERE'S SO GREETING PRAMIUM HE'S JUST AN OUTSTANDING I'M PERMITTED, BUT I WAS TOLD THAT THERE'S A GRADING PERMIT.

SO THE ONLY PERSON WHO WOULD POSSIBLY KNOW ABOUT THAT AND THERE'S CERTAINLY DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE ANYBODY HERE WOULD BE THE OWNER HIMSELF.

YEAH, I THINK SO.

SO IT WILL BE MUCH.

I'M NOT READY FOR THAT.

AND THE, AS MY FRIEND MENTIONED THAT HE DO THAT HIMSELF.

SO THAT'S WHY, YEAH.

SO THEY DON'T KNOW THAT, BUT UH, NO MATTER HOW THERE'S THE GRAPHIC TOPAMAX, I THINK CITI HAS A TOPO MAP.

SO THE TRIP WAS A TOPO MAP.

WE DO THE GRADING CENTER TO THE CIVIL ENGINEER.

THEY'LL COME TO THESE THAT THERE'S CHANGE.

THERE'S A BACKFILL.

WE CAN DO A SOIL PART TO CHECK LAND.

LIKE A RECOMPRESSION, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

WE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, DEALING WITH THAT, IN THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY PROBLEM, BUT I THINK I CAN HANDLE THAT.

THERE THERE'S, THERE'S STILL NO ANSWER AS TO WHAT THE WORK THAT IS THAT OCCURRED BACK IN 2014, 15 WAS EVER DONE PROPERLY.

AND YEAH.

I DON'T KNOW HOW, SO IT WAS MAYBE JUST A FUN ENVIRONMENT TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.

THIS SUGGESTS A, MY THINKING, SO YEAH.

MAYBE CITATION FOR THAT.

I DON'T KNOW THAT'S A IT'S HAPPENED BEFORE.

SO BEFORE I KNOW THAT I MIGHT SAY, WHEN YOU BUY THE PROPERTY, YOU BUY THE GOOD YOU BUY THE BAT.

SOME OF THE ENCUMBRANCES THAT ARE COME WITH THAT PROPERTY, IT'S NOW YOUR OWNER.

YOU NOW OWN THAT CAPE IS A NATURAL READING AND THE, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING ON THE PREMIUM.

THAT'S TRUE.

HERE'S ME, THIS NEW PROPOSAL OF A HOUSE.

IS THERE ANYONE WHO HAS A QUESTION? OKAY.

NO, GO AHEAD PLEASE.

THE ARCHITECT,

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YOU SAID GOING TO BE THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE HOUSE FOR THE OWNER REBEL THING.

HI MONK.

IT'S NOT A TEMPO.

SOME PEOPLE UNDERSTOOD IT.

JIM HYPE MONK.

HE HAS A STREET TEMPO IN LOS ANGELES AREA.

ONE IS NEAR CHANNEL.

ONE IS IN THE SAN BERNARDINO COUNTY.

THE THIRD ONE IS IN OTHER LONG, HAD A NILA ISLAND.

SO THIS IS GOING TO BE HIS PRIMARY VISITORS, NOT THE TEMPO.

THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS WELL UNDER THIS ALLOWED US 30%.

IT'S ONLY AROUND 15, 16%.

THAT'S ALL TO BUILD THIS HOUSE.

THERE'S GOING TO BE LOTS OF GREETING WALK.

SO WHATEVER PROBLEM BEFORE ON GREETING OR YOU CAN PIPE OR GOING TO BE CORRECT.

WE'LL HAVE AN OPEN.

UM, I GUESS THAT'D BE ONE IS SUPPOSE YOU HAVE A GOOD CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING.

OF, UH, OF A SO CALLED SAINT A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.

WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE IT.

AND THEN WE'LL OPEN FOR, UM, COMMISSION DISCUSSION AND COMMISSIONERS.

BEFORE YOU BEGIN YOUR DISCUSSION.

I UNDERSTAND YOU'VE HEARD, YOU'VE HEARD A LOT OF, UH, CONCERNING STATEMENTS REGARDING THE PREVIOUS CODE ISSUES AS COMMISSIONER, UH, READ HOLT, READ FROM THE STAFF REPORT.

THERE ARE CURRENT PENDING AND OUTSTANDING CODE ENFORCEMENT CASES RELATING TO THE GRADING AND, UH, RELATING TO THE, UH, POTENTIAL AIRBNB LISTING.

BUT THOSE ARE NOT ITEMS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, AS A REMINDER, THE APPLICATION BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS FOR A LARGE HOME AND THE FINDINGS, UH, TO MAKE YOUR DETERMINATION ARE SET FORTH IN YOUR STAFF REPORT.

YOU FOUND GEE, I DON'T KNOW.

WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO START? EVERY RED FLAGS UP, YOU VIOLATED EVERY, EVERY ONE.

UM, UM, I SEE A HOTEL.

I SEE AN AIRBNB.

UH, THIS GUY BOUGHT THE PROPERTY.

HE'S HE'S NONPROFIT AND NOW HE'S RUNNING A BUSINESS.

I THINK HE SHOULD HAVE TO FORFEIT HIS, UH, HIS NONPROFIT STATUS.

UM, I MEAN, THIS IS, IT'S A JOKE.

I MEAN, WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO SAY? UH, I COULD NEVER VOTE FOR US.

I LOOK AT THESE BLUEPRINTS AND EVERY STORAGE ROOM AND PANTRY, EVERYTHING HAS A BATHROOM.

WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE 22 ROOMS? THAT'S ALL IT TELLS ME AND NO, I COULD NEVER VOTE FOR THIS.

AND, UM, I'LL LET, I'LL LET IT GO WITH THAT.

I'M I DON'T G I DON'T KNOW.

YOU KNOW WHAT TO SAY? THANK YOU.

WELL, I'M JUST, I'LL GO NEXT.

I GUESS MY STARTING POINT, UH, ON, ON THIS PROJECT IN AND THE APPLICANT IS, UM, UH, AND I SURE, I, I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND, OR CITY ATTORNEY, UH, INFORMING US THAT WE'RE NOT MAKING DECISIONS ON OUTSTANDING CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUES.

UH, BUT THOSE CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUES ARE RATHER INFORMATIVE.

AND, UM, I STILL BELIEVE THAT THERE'S MORE, THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED INTO WITH REGARD TO PAST ACTIVITIES THAT DON'T APPEAR TO HAVE BEEN EVER BEEN RESOLVED.

AND, UM, AND IT SPEAKS TO THE CREDIBILITY OF THIS APPLICANT.

UH, SO FAR IT DOESN'T LOOK VERY GOOD.

UM, AND, UH, UNTIL SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS GET ANSWERED, UH, DO WE, CAN, WE POSSIBLY KNOW WHETHER WE'RE DEALING WITH A, UM, A PROJECT PROPOSAL THAT HAS ANY MEASURE OF INTEGRITY.

SO, UM, ACTUALLY THE FACT THAT IS A, IT'S A MONSTROUS, UM, SIZE

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UM, THAT JUST SEEMS TO DEFY LOGIC.

SO, UH, I JUST DON'T SEE THIS MOVING FORWARD AT ALL.

I, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR 12 YEARS.

I HAVE NEVER SEEN A PROJECT COME BEFORE US LIKE THIS BEFORE IT IT'S SO CONVOLUTED THAT PEOPLE, EVERYTHING WE ASKED, I DON'T KNOW IS THE ANSWER.

AND, UH, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS THING, WITH ALL THESE QUESTIONS THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANSWERS FOR.

UH, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE REST OF THE COMMISSIONERS.

I'VE TRIED TO GET UP ON THAT PROPERTY JUST TO SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, AND I CAN'T GET UP THERE CAUSE THE GATE'S LOCKED.

I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN FORESEE WITH ANY KIND OF ANSWERS UNTIL ALL THESE QUESTIONS, UH, THAT ARE BEFORE US, AS FAR AS CODE ENFORCEMENT, WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY, WHO DO WE GO TO? UH, WHO ELSE DO WE HAVE TO GET INVOLVED WITH THIS PROJECT TO ANSWER A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT ARE BEYOND OUR SCOPE, AS FAR AS LAND USAGE AND, UH, SOIL AND ALL THAT TYPE OF THING.

SO I, YOU KNOW, MY FEELING IS, I DON'T KNOW, I CAN PROCEED ON THIS THING.

I, IT, THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW, I COULDN'T MAKE AN ANSWER.

YES, NO, OR WHATEVER.

I FEEL I GET A LOT MORE CLEARING A CLEARER PICTURE OF WHAT'S GOING ON.

I JUST LIKE TO TABLE THIS THING AND TILL WE GET ALL THIS MORE ANSWERS COMING BACK, BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS LIKE IF WE KEEP ASKING, WHO'S THE OWNER WHO THE OWNER, I STILL THINK WE CAN GO TO THE BUREAU OF RECORDS AND SEE WHO'S THE OWNER.

AND WHAT YEARS DID THEY, WHAT, WHEN THE TITLE TRANSFERRED AND WAS LEGALLY DONE AND WHY NOT WHO THE LEGAL OWNER IS.

SO THERE'S JUST A LOT MORE WORK, I THINK, NEEDS TO BE DONE, UH, BY THE, BY THE STAFF AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

UH, YEAH.

YOU KNOW, LIKE COMMISSIONER HOLTS, I'VE BEEN ON THIS COMMISSION FOR A LONG TIME, AND THIS IS A HOT MESS.

I HAVE NEVER SEEN A, AN R ONE PROPERTY.

IT HAS THIS MUCH AMBIGUITY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN LISTENING TO TESTIMONY FOR A LONG TIME.

AND TO BE HONEST, WE'VE GOTTEN MORE INFORMATION FROM THE RESIDENTS HERE THAN FROM THE APPLICANT.

YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THE APPLICANT IS, AND MAYBE IT'S A LANGUAGE ISSUE.

MAYBE IT'S BEING EVASIVE.

I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T WANT TO LABEL IT, BUT I, YOU KNOW, I, I'M KIND OF IN AGREEMENT WITH COMMISSIONER HOLTZ.

I MEAN, I'M NOT, I WANT TO BE FAIR TO THE APPLICANT AND I WANT TO BE FAIR TO THE NEIGHBORS, BUT, YOU KNOW, AS WE'VE, WE, WE READ ALL THIS AND WE LISTENED TO WHAT EVERYBODY'S SAYING.

I'M STILL AT SQUARE ONE.

I DO KNOW THAT IF THIS IS OUR ONE, WOW, THIS IS OUR ONE, THIS IS A TOUGHIE FOR OUR ONE.

AND YOU KNOW, WHEN WE ARE PRESENTED WITH, LET'S JUST SAY IT EVIDENCE THAT INDICATES THAT THE PROPERTY IS BEING ADVERTISED, YOU KNOW, CHARGING SO MUCH FOR AN HOUR PER NIGHT WITH A BED AND A BREAKFAST AND BATHROOMS AND A PARKING LOT AND WIFI, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS LIKE A DUCK AND WALKS LIKE A DUCK WALKS LIKE A DUCK.

IT'S A DUCK.

AND, YOU KNOW, I HAVE CONCERNS.

I MEAN, I, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE AN AUP WHERE THEY'RE ALLOWED UP TO 8,000 SQUARE FEET.

YOU'RE LOOKING FOR 1,896 MORE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, AT THIS POINT, AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THOSE, THOSE, THOSE, UH, RE RETAINING WALLS TOO, THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE BLOWING OFF THE PROPERTY.

SO, YOU KNOW, AT THIS, AT THIS POINT, I MEAN, IF, IF THERE'S A, IF THERE'S A DESIRE TO CONTINUE IT AND BRING IT BACK TO GET MORE INFORMATION, CAUSE I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHO IS LEGALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT'S GOING ON THERE, BECAUSE AS I SAID, YOU KNOW, THESE, THESE ILLEGAL OR UNPERMITTED ACTIVITIES THAT OCCURRED UNDER A PREVIOUS OWNERSHIP, WHEN YOU BUY IT, YOU BUY THAT TOO.

YOU BOUGHT THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT TO MAKE IT RIGHT NOW.

THAT'S PART OF YOUR DEAL WHEN YOU BUY.

SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING TO APPROVE WHAT WAS WITHIN OUR PURVIEW TO DO, WHICH IS 8,000 SQUARE FEET.

AND ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S ASKED FOR THAT'S OVER AND ABOVE THAT? NO, AT THIS POINT, BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK WE NEED TO GET SOME ANSWERS HERE.

I MEAN, I'M NOT, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE.

I MEAN, THERE'S NO WAY I CAN APPROVE WHAT'S IN FRONT OF ME RIGHT NOW.

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I CAN'T DO THAT.

AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT FAIR TO THEM AND YOU KNOW, I WANT TO DO RIGHT BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO, YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING FOR EITHER, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER YOU GUYS WANT TO DO, OR MAYBE SOME ADVICE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY WAS GRACIOUSLY JOINED US TONIGHT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THAT'S MY COMMENTS.

AN INFORMED DECISIONS ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR HOME.

UM, WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROJECTS NORMALLY WOULD BE RECEIVE A PROJECT LIKE THIS.

WE DO DRIVE BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND IT IS TRUE.

THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS UNIQUE.

WE CAN ONLY SEE THE DRIVEWAY AS FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AND FELLOW COMMISSIONERS READ ON BIRD HOLDS HAD ALSO MENTIONED.

THE ONLY THING WE ACTUALLY SAW WHEN WE DROVE BY THE STREET IS REALLY JUST THE FRONTAGE OF THE STREET.

WE CAN'T SEE ANYTHING ELSE.

SO BASED ON WHAT OUR NEIGHBOR TALK ABOUT, WE CAN'T WEAR A FIVE FOR THE FIVE OF US, WHETHER IT'S TRUE OR NOT TRUE, I ASSUME IT IS TRUE, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE TABLE THIS AND BRING IT BACK.

WHEN WE GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO TAKE A LOOK AT THE PROPERTY AND THEN SEE, AND RESOLVE AND ASK ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE, WHETHER WHO'S THE OWNER, WHETHER NOW THE GRADING ISSUES THAT THE NEIGHBORS SEEMS TO HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES WITH AND SAW THAT HE, HE OR THE PRIOR OWNER DID, WE CAN ACTUALLY RETROFIT THAT AS OH, YOU KNOW, FIND OUT WHETHER, WHAT WAS THE ACTUAL DIRT, YOU KNOW, 10, 60 YEARS AGO.

OH, GEE, UH, OUR GIS SYSTEM IS REALLY GOOD.

IT WOULD TELL YOU EVERY 10 YEARS WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE.

SO IF HE DID SOMETHING TO THAT PARTICULAR LOT, WE CAN HAVE A COMPARISON AND FIND OUT WHAT DID HE DO AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

OBVIOUSLY WHEN YOU'RE BUILDING A NEW HOUSE AND THIS IS COMPLETELY HILLSIDE, NOTHING IS FLAT ABOUT THE SLOT.

LIKE I SAID, WHEN I DRIVE BY THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY, THE ONLY THING I SAW WAS JUST THE ROAD.

SO PERHAPS MAYBE WE CAN SCHEDULE FOR OUR COMMISSIONERS.

GIVE ME ONE SEC, OUR COMMISSIONERS TO PERHAPS GO BY, HAVE DATES AND THEN GO TAKE A LOOK TO SEE WHAT WE CAN SEE AND HOW IT'S AFFECTING THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THAT PARTICULAR HOUSE.

AND ALSO WHAT DOES THE GRADING AFFECT? BECAUSE HE WAS EARLIER, THE ZOOM, MICHAEL HAD MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS A RAVINE, BUT I DON'T SEE THAT FROM THE STREET, THIS DRIVING BY AT THE STREET AND NOT THE DRIVEWAY.

SO LIKE I'LL FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.

UM, I LIKE TO SEE IF WE CAN PERHAPS, UM, WE SCHEDULE THIS ON A LATER DATE AND FIND OUT SOME SIMPLE, SOME SIMPLE QUESTIONS THAT THE NEIGHBORS OR OUR COMMISSIONERS HAVE.

AND, AND IN TERMS OF OWNERSHIPS EVERYONE IN HERE, IF WE OWN A HOME, IT'S EITHER UNDER YOUR NAME ON THE TRUST OF SOME SORT.

SO THAT IS VERY EASY TO FIND OUT WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY.

I ASSURE YOU IF IT'S NOT MY HOUSE, I WOULD NOT APPLY FOR AN APPLICATION TO BUILD A HOUSE THIS BIG.

SO I'M ASSUMING, BUT AGAIN, IT'S BASED ON OUR ASSUMPTION THAT THIS IS HIS HOUSE.

WE DON'T KNOW, BUT THAT CAN'T BE FOUND OUT THROUGH TITLE GRADING.

AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, THE GPS, YOU KNOW, I FORGOT WHAT WEBSITE OR GOVERNMENT HAS THE LAYOUT OF THE ELEVATIONS OF OUR LAND EVERY 10 YEARS, IF ANYTHING CHANGES ALSO FIVE OR 10 INCREMENT, THEY HAVE THAT DATA, A SURVEYOR OR A SOIL SOIL.

WHAT DO THEY COME? GEOLOGISTS WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT.

UM, SO THIS WAY CAN ANSWER ALL THE NEIGHBORS, UM, QUESTIONS REGARDING THE GRADING PORTION.

OBVIOUSLY HE'D DONE SOMETHING WE JUST NEED TO KNOW DONE IT CORRECTLY.

SO IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND CHANGE THE LANDSCAPE TOO MUCH.

AND ALSO, UM, ALSO, UM, THERE'S OTHER ISSUES THAT'S INVOLVED, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT MAKING DECISION BASED ON WHAT HE DID, WHETHER IT'S, UM, THE PRIOR OUTSTANDING ISSUES OF, UM, UH, NOT THE LAND SO MUCH OF, BUT THE CURRENT SITUATIONS, THOSE CAN BE TAKEN CARE OF AS WELL.

SO IF WE WERE TO RESCHEDULE THIS AND COME BACK AND HAVE A FULL ANSWER AND I, AND FROM WHAT I'M HEARING, THEY'RE GOING THROUGH QUITE A FEW ARCHITECT.

IT SEEMS, UM, THESE NEW TEAMS ARE NOT FULLY AWARE OF WHAT WAS DONE THE LAST FIVE YEARS OR SO.

SO SOMEONE NEEDS TO COORDINATE AND HAVE SOME ANSWER.

IF WE WANTED TO KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, SO KNOW ALL THAT SO THAT WE HAVE AN ANSWER.

SO YOU CAN MAKE

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I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT GOING AND VISITING THIS PROPERTY, WE WOULD NEED THEIR PERMISSION TO GO ON THEIR PROPERTY AND LOOK AT IT.

WE CAN'T JUST, YOU KNOW, WE OBVIOUSLY, IF WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN IN THERE, WE COULD, WE WOULD HAVE DONE IT.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO NEED, UNLESS I'M WRONG, WE NEED THEIR PERMISSION TO GO UP THERE AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT.

WE CAN'T JUST WALK UP THERE AND SAY, HERE WE ARE, YOU KNOW, WE NEED THEIR PERMISSION.

AT LEAST WE NEED TO TRY, WELL, LET US, SOMEONE'S GOING TO LET US ON THEIR PROPERTY TO DO THAT.

I DON'T WANT TO BE TRESPASSING ON THEIR PROPERTY IF I MAY COMMISSIONER RED.

IF I MAY COMMISSIONER RED HOLDS, I THINK WILL WORK.

I THINK THERE'S CONSENSUS ON THE COMMISSION TO CONTINUE THE ITEM.

AND WE WILL ADDRESS TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY, THE QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMISSION HAS ASKED AS WELL AS THE COMMUNITY.

WE'LL ALSO SCHEDULE A TIME FOR COMMISSIONERS TO GO UP EITHER INDIVIDUALLY OR IN GROUPS OF TWO.

SO THE COMMISSIONERS CAN GET ONSITE, UH, TO LOOK AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT ALL FIVE COMMISSIONERS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT FOR THE ITEM COMES BACK.

AND IF I COULD MAKE A SUGGESTION TO THE APPLICANT AND TRY AND DO IT AS NICELY AS POSSIBLE, BUT IF YOU COULD GET A SPOKESPERSON THAT COULD ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS AND MAYBE, UH, YOU KNOW, INTERPRET OR, UH, YOU KNOW, BE TO ADDRESS US W CAUSE WE WE'VE ALL HAD A LITTLE BIT OF A PROBLEM UNDERSTANDING, AND I WANT TO BE FAIR TO YOU.

I DON'T WANT TO THINK YOU SAID SOMETHING AND I MISHEARD, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M HEARING WHAT YOU'RE INTENDING TO SAY TO US IN ALL FAIRNESS TO YOU.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHO COULD THAT BE? BUT I, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND YOUR POSITION AND, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.

PEOPLE TO SEE IF THAT WAS AN, A MATTER THAT WAS EVER, UH, OPENS AND EVER RESOLVED.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.

YOU KNOW, I'M JUST SAYING THAT AS, AS YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO, I WANT TO UNDERSTAND, AND, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, I WANT TO UNDERSTAND YOUR POSITION.

AND I THINK I PRETTY MUCH UNDERSTAND WHAT THE OPPOSITION'S POSITION IS, YOU KNOW, AND ABSENT SEEING THE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, PUTTING MY SHOES ON THE GROUND THERE.

I DID SEE THE PLANS, YOU KNOW, AND THE PLANS ARE, YOU KNOW, FOR OUR ONE, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A LOT, ANYWAY.

I, IS, IS THERE GOING TO BE A MOTION TO CONTINUE OR IS THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING? UM, BEFORE, BEFORE EMOTION? I JUST WANTED TO ADD SOMETHING INSTEAD.

I JUST WANT TO ADD SOMETHING THAT WOULD USE SAID, UM, OR, UM, COMMISSIONER RENTALS, IS THAT IN ADDITION TO, YOU KNOW, GETTING, YOU KNOW, UH, SOMEONE WHO'S A, UH, A MORE EFFECTIVE SPOKESPERSON FOR THE APPLICANT, UH, ALSO THAT THAT PERSON OFFICER, UH, WHOEVER SPEAKS AGAIN BEFORE THE COMMISSION, UH, HOPEFULLY HAS ANSWERS TO SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS, A LOT OF WHAT WAS, UH, POST-STAY ABOUT, UH, THINGS THAT HAVE OCCURRED ON THIS PROPERTY IN THE PAST FIVE, SIX YEARS, YOU KNOW, THE ANSWER I DON'T KNOW, AND, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, I'M NEW ON THIS PROJECT.

UM, IT JUST, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, ISN'T IN MY MIND SUFFICIENT, UH, THERE NEED TO BE ANSWERS.

AND, UM, I GO BACK TO THIS, UH, THIS ONE IS, SHOULD I KEEP KIND OF HARPING ON WITH THE, YOU KNOW, THE FILL OF THE RAVINE AND THE BUILDING OF THE PARKING LOT AND RE I GUESS THE REASON I BRING THAT UP, BECAUSE IN MY MIND, I KNOW FROM MY OWN EXPERIENCE, UM, WORK EXPERIENCES THAT THAT'S NO SMALL ISSUE.

YOU KNOW, IF, IF WHAT WAS DONE THERE, UH, WAS DONE AS CHARACTERIZED BY SOME OF THE RESIDENTS THAT, THAT, UH, SPOKE TO THAT, IF THAT WAS DONE THE WAY IT WAS DONE, UM, THAT WAS A HIGHLY ILLEGAL ACTIVITY.

AND, AND IT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE RECTIFIED AT THE OWNER'S COST.

AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS SPOKESPERSON NEEDS TO COME BACK AND HAVE ANSWERS ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED AND, UH, AND BE FORTHRIGHT IN RESPONDING BECAUSE, UH, I JUST, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAD, WE DON'T, WE DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE BEING EVASIVE.

IT DOESN'T MAKE US COMFORTABLE TO FEEL LIKE THE APPLICANT IS BEING TRUSTED, IS TRUSTWORTHY AND BEING STRAIGHTFORWARD WITH US.

SO THAT, THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE GET THAT THESE THINGS GET ANSWERED.

AND BY THE SAME TOKEN, I'M, I'M HOPING WE CAN ALSO GET STAFF TO LOOK INTO THAT, THAT THE SAME MATTER.

AND, UH, MAYBE WITH, ALSO WITH THE BUILDING AND SAFETY

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AND IF IT WASN'T RESOLVED, WHY NOT ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE WAS PROBABLY DONE, UH, YOU KNOW, CONTAMINATED MATERIALS WERE POTENTIALLY PLACED, UM, DRAINAGE PATTERNS ALTERED.

A LOT OF THINGS COULD HAVE HAPPENED IN, IN THAT PART OF IT, UH, THAT, THAT PART OF THE PROPERTY WHEN THAT WAS DONE SIX YEARS AGO, AND, UH, THE OWNER IS NOT BEING HELD ACCOUNTABLE.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WANT TO SEE, UH, GET ADDRESSED IS VERY TROUBLESOME TO EVEN CONSIDER THE THOUGHT OF APPROVING, UH, AN APPLICATION FOR THIS, UH, THIS DEVELOPMENT, WHEN SOMETHING LIKE THAT COULD STILL BE OUT THERE, EITHER HANGING ON OUT THERE AND WAS NEVER ADDRESSED IN MY MIND.

I DON'T SEE THAT THE PROJECT GOING FORWARD LESS INITIALLY, LIKE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WELL UNDERSTOOD AND ADDRESSED.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT.

ALRIGHT.

SO DO WE HAVE A CLOSING AND DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO CONTINUE MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AND CONFERRING WITH STAFF? IF YOU MOVE TO CONTINUE THE ITEM TO A DATE UNCERTAIN, THEN STAFF WILL BRING IT BACK AT A FUTURE DATE AND WE'LL RE NOTICE IT, THANK YOU.

MADAM CHAIRMAN, I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO CONTINUE THAT INTO, TO A DATE ON CERTAIN.

COULD I MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THAT MOTION, UH, THAT, UH, THAT THE NOTICING, UH, FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT DOES COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION, BE EXTENDED, UM, BY SOME ADDITIONAL DISTANCE THAN FROM THE PROJECT SITE BEYOND 300 FEET, ANYBODY HAVE ANY SUGGESTION, UH, YOU KNOW, SO THAT IT COULD REACH MORE PEOPLE.

AND I THINK THE REASON THAT IT'S IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE THE NATURE OF THIS COMMUNITY IS SUCH THAT, UH, 300 FEET DOESN'T REACH AS MANY PEOPLE AS IT DOES IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY.

SO CAN WE DO THAT WOULD 500, WOULD HE PREFER 500 FEET? LET'S SAY 600 HUNDRED.

UM, AND ALSO BEEF, UM, BEFORE, UM, CLOSE EMOTION, THERE'S A PLOT.

WOULD THE PLANNING COMMISSION LIKE TO, TO ADD ADDITIONAL DIRECTION AS, UM, I HEARD TONIGHT THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD, UH, PROBLEMS WITH THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE BEING TOO LARGE WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, LIKE TO GIVE THE APPLICANT DIRECTION FOR REDESIGNED TO MAKE THE HOUSE SMALLER, BECAUSE THAT IS A PART OF THE AEP AND, AND ALSO, UM, DIRECTION REGARDING THE RETAINING WALLS.

I ACTUALLY LIKE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE JOB SITE FIRST TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON BEFORE WE CAN MAKE ANY DECISIONS ON THIS PARTICULAR LOT.

SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, UH, GO THERE FIRST.

AND THEN FROM THE NEXT MEETING, THEN WE CAN MAKE SOME DECISIONS ON THAT.

SEE WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.

I HAVE A QUESTION FIRST, IS THERE SOME SORT OF A, A QUANTITATIVE LIMIT ON THE AMOUNT OF THOSE RETAINING WALLS? IS THERE A STANDARD, THE CODE DOESN'T ISN'T PLACED ON THEM? IT IS ON A PARTICULAR PROJECT, JUST THE HEIGHT OF IT BEING EIGHT FEET BUILDING CODE ISSUE, I BELIEVE.

AND ALSO, AND ALSO IT HAS TO BE AT LEAST FIVE FEET AWAY FROM EACH.

WOW.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST SAYING, AS I SAID BEFORE, YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING AT 8,000 SQUARE FEET UP TO THE MAP, UP TO THE AUP LIMIT, 8,000 SQUARE FEET, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, ONCE WE GO OUT THERE, MAYBE, UH, YOU KNOW, MIGHT CHANGE, BUT I, YOU KNOW, THIS IS TO ME IS JUST, IS JUST, IT DOESN'T BELONG THERE IN ITS CURRENT STATE.

SO I HAVE THE MOTION THROUGH, WITH THE AMENDED, WHAT 600 NOTICE.

ALL THE PROPERTIES THAT THE PROPERTIES ARE, ARE A LOT BIGGER.

CAN'T WE JUST DO THE SURROUNDING STREETS.

CAN'T BE THAT MANY RESIDENTS TO DO 600 FEET AND THAT, AND THAT PART OF DOWN EVEN THAT'S PROBABLY NOT ENOUGH, VERY FAR.

THESE LOTS ARE, ARE LEARNED.

I MEAN, REACHING MANY PEOPLE, I KNOW YOU GOT SPRING MEADOW AND LARK HILL, AND THEN WHAT IS IT? YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE ALL THOSE ALL NEED TO BE NOTIFIED.

YOU KNOW? SO I THINK 600 FEET IS, IS, IS, IS SUFFICIENT.

LIKE THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON THE STREET, UM, IF, IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO A RADIUS TO, TO A HIGHER AMOUNT THAN 600, THAT THAT'S FINE AS WELL, BUT WE NEED A DEFINED OR MEASUREMENT.

IS THIS, IS, IS IT GOING BACK IN THE PAPER? DID WE NOTICE IT IN THE PAPER? I MEAN, THAT COVERS EVERYBODY READS THE PAPER, WHICH IS, I THINK 12 PEOPLE, UM, ADMINISTRATIVE USE PERMIT APPLICATIONS DO NOT GO AROUND, BUT THEY ARE POSTED ON THE WEBSITE.

WE CAN PUBLISH IT IN THE NEWSPAPER IF THAT'S OKAY.

I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE THAT ALSO, UH, AS FAR AS NOTICE NOTIFYING,

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SO WE COULD GO ABOVE 600 NUMBER 600 IS FINE.

I MEAN, I WANT TO, I WANT TO CAST A WIDER NET.

YOU KNOW, I WANT TO GET MORE PEOPLE AND GET, UM, I LIKE TO SAY THAT THAT PARTICULAR AREA I DO LIVE IN THAT AREA IN THE LA IS HUGE.

SO EVEN THIS PARTICULAR LOT, IT IS OVER AN ACRE.

I BELIEVE IT'S ONE AND A HALF ACRE.

SO IF THAT IS THE CASE, WE CAN INCREASE IT TO A THOUSAND SO WE CAN GET MORE NEIGHBORHOOD AND LET INFORM THEM AND LET THEM KNOW.

AND ALSO, I LIKE TO SAY THAT WE HAVE HERE AS PLANNING COMMISSIONERS IN THAT PARTICULAR HILLSIDE IN WEST COVINA, WE HAVE APPROVED HOME THAT ARE AS SMALL AS 1200 SQUARE FOOT FOR NOWADAYS.

SO THAT PARTICULAR AREA THAT, THAT, THAT GENERAL AREA IS NOT UNUSUAL.

SO HOW'S THAT SIZE.

BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING I THINK IS, IS THAT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO SEE THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY BECAUSE EVERY PROPERTY IS UNIQUE.

THIS PARTICULAR ONE IS A LITTLE BIT UNIQUE IN THE FACT THAT WE CAN ONLY SEE THE DRIVEWAY AND THE DRIVEWAY HAS A GATE.

SO NORMALLY WHEN WE GO AND OBSERVE BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, WE DO DRIVE BY AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE PROPERTY.

SO WHAT WE CAN MAKE A DECISIONS BASED ON WHAT WE SEE AND ON ALSO BY ALL THE NEIGHBORS THAT COME OUT HERE TO INFORM US WHAT'S GOING ON AS WELL.

SO I LIKE TO INCREASE IT TO A THOUSAND.

THAT'S FINE.

SO, SO MY MOTION IS TO CONTINUE THIS HEARING TO A DATE UNCERTAIN AND TO EXPAND THE NOTIFICATION TO 1000 FEET.

I'LL SECOND.

THE MOTION ROLL CALL, PLEASE.

WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER RED HOLTZ.

UH, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HOLTZ, UH, TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM, UH, ALONG WITH INCREASING, WHEN IT DOES COME BACK TO INCREASE THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, MAILED PUBLIC HEARING RADIUS TO 1000 FEET.

UH, AND WITH THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER HOLT OR VICE CHAIR HOLDS I, UH, COMMISSIONER HOCK HAS HIGH COMMISSIONER KENNEDY, NO RED HOLTS.

HI ANN CHAIR.

HIM.

MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO, MADAM MADAM CHAIRMAN.

BEFORE WE GO ON TO THE NEXT HEARING, CAN WE TAKE A WHISK? I'M GETTING A FIVE MINUTE BREAK.

HEY, IS THE COMMISSION, IS THAT IN RECESS? AND WE'LL RECONVENE AT NINE 25.

ON TO CODE AMENDMENT ITEM NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS CODE AMENDMENT NUMBER 20 DASH OH SEVEN.

WELL, WE ZOOMING OUT PUBLIC HEARING.

SO WE'RE GOING

[3. CODE AMENDMENT NO. 20-07]

UM, IT'S AFFECTING THE CITY Y AND BECAUSE THE PROPOSED CODE AMENDMENT CONSISTS OF AN AMENDMENT TO CHAPTER 26, ZONING WAS CAMINA MUNICIPAL CODE TO ALLOWED AND REGULATE OFF SALE RETAIL SALES, OFFSITE, CONSUMPTION OF BEER AND WINE AS AN ACCESSORY USE TO, TO A SERVICE STATION.

UM, JOANNE, WOULD YOU BE REPORTING YES.

YOU AND KEITH PLANNING COMMISSION CHAIR ON A COMMISSION AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, UM, ITEM BEFORE YOU WAS FIRST INITIATED BY THE CITY COUNCIL ON SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2020, THE ITEM HAS BEEN NOTICED AS A PUBLIC HEARING AND WAS PUBLISHED IN THE NEWSPAPER AND POSTED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.

IT'S BEEN LESS THAN A YEAR SINCE THIS ITEM OR THIS TOPIC WAS LAST DISCUSSED.

UM, IS DID AGAIN, STAFF DID NOTICE THE ITEM AS A CODE AMENDMENT, UM, AS A PUBLIC HEARING AND IS PRESENTING THE PREVIOUS DRAFT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT WAS LAST CONSIDERED AN OCTOBER, OCTOBER, 2019.

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UM, THE ITEM WAS THE ITEM THAT WAS CONSIDERED IN OCTOBER, 2019.

UM, THE LANGUAGE OF THAT DRAFT CODE IS EXACTLY THE SAME.

UM, BUT THAT CODE, UM, AT THE TIME IT WAS NOT ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.

I'LL GO AHEAD AND GO OVER THE CHANGES, UM, TO SECTIONS 26 DASH FIVE NINE SEVEN SIX SIX FOUR AND SIX EIGHT FIVE ONE ZERO THREE.

UM, SO THAT THESE SECTIONS ARE, UH, DEAL WITH, UH, THE LAND USE ISSUE, WHICH IS, UM, CHANGES WERE MADE TO THE LAND USE MATRIX, UH, THAT, UH, THAT STATES THAT OFF SALE OF ALCOHOL AT SERVICE STATIONS WOULD BE ALLOWED THROUGH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PROCESS.

CURRENTLY THE LAND USE MATRIX DOES NOT ALLOW, DOES NOT HAVE THIS DESIGNATION FOR, UH, UM, SERVICED ALCOHOL SALES AND SERVICE STATIONS, BECAUSE IT IS CURRENTLY NOT ALLOWED TO DELETE THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES AS A PROHIBITED USE IN SERVICE STATIONS.

AND TO CLARIFY THAT THE SALE OF ALCOHOL OR OFFSITE CONSUMPTIONS AT SERVICE STATIONS WOULD REQUIRE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

AND IT ALSO CO CO UM, CROSS-REFERENCES STANDARDS WITH WITHIN SECTION 26 DASH SIX EIGHT 5.10 3.3, WHICH IS A NEW SECTION.

THIS IS A SECTION THAT WOULD BE ADDED TO THE MUNICIPAL CODE.

IT WOULD REQUIRE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR ANY SERVICE STATIONS LOCATED IN COMMERCIAL OR MANUFACTURING ZONES THAT WOULD LIKE TO SELL BEER AND WINE FOR OFFSITE CONSUMPTION.

AGAIN, ONLY SALES OF BEER AND WINE WOULD BE ALLOWED.

THE ENTIRE SITE IS REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH THE CURRENT CODE STANDARDS IN ORDER TO QUALIFY FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION.

UM, THIS IS SECTION B OF THE SAME SECTION, UM, IN SUBSECTION B DEFINES, UM, PERFORMANCE STANDARDS.

SO THESE THREE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS WERE ADDED, WHICH IS, UM, REQUIRING CONVENIENCE STORES OF GASOLINE STATIONS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SELL BEER AND WINE TO BE LEAF OR GREATER THAN TWO, 2000 SQUARE FEET AND FLOOR AREA LIMITING THE RETAIL FLOOR AREA TO 10% OF THAT SPACE, UM, OF THE CONVENIENCE STORE SPACE AND ALSO SALES OF BEER IN QUANTITIES FEWER THAN THREE CONTAINERS IS PROHIBITED.

IN ADDITION, NO ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES SHALL BE SOLD IN UNITS QUANTITIES LESS THAN THE DISTRIBUTORS IN, IN INTENDED RESALE UNITS AT THE SEPTEMBER 1ST CITY COUNCIL MEETING COUNCILMEN, KASSIANOS STATED THAT HIS PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO ELIMINATE THAT 2000 SQUARE FEET FLOOR AREA THRESHOLD.

UM, IN, IN THE PREVIOUS, IN THIS DRAFT LANGUAGE TO ALLOW A MORE OPEN COMPETITION AMONG GAS STATION OWNERS AS WITH THIS PROPOSED STANDARD AND OTHER STANDARDS THROUGHOUT THE DRAFT ORDINANCE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAY CHOOSE TO MAKE NO CHANGES TO ELIMINATE CERTAIN LANGUAGE, TO REVISE OR ADD ONTO THE DRAFT CODE.

UM, PLEASE KEEP THAT IN MIND AND AS A CONTINUATION, NUMBER FOUR THROUGH 11, I'LL GO AHEAD AND LEAVE IT UP ON THE SCREEN FOR A BIT, BUT THESE ARE STANDARDS THAT A CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES REQUIRE OR, OR, UM, OR GASOLINE STATIONS THAT SELL ALCOHOL.

AND WE ARE BASICALLY TAKING THEIR STANDARDS AND IN REITERATING IT IN, IN THE CODE.

SO AS FAR AS THE CURRENT, UM, TREND STATISTICS OR PRINT INFORMATION ON OFF SALE, ALCOHOL LICENSES AND GASOLINE STATIONS IN THE CITY IS CONCERNED.

UH, STAFF DID, DID GO THROUGH, UM, UH, CALIFORNIA, A CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES, UM, WEBSITE AND,

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UM, QUERIED INFORMATION ON NUMBER OF OFFSITE OR OFF SALE LICENSES WITHIN WEST COVINA THAT IT HAS BEEN ISSUED OR IS, IS CURRENTLY ACTIVE.

AND WE ARE NOTING THAT THERE ARE 45 PLACES IN THE CITY THAT HAVE ACTIVE OFF SALE LICENSES.

UM, IN WEST COVINA, 26 OF THESE PLACES ARE LIQUOR STORES, CONVENIENCE STORES, OR MINI MARTS, 19 OF THESE PLACES ARE CONSIDERED SUPERMARKETS, PHARMACIES, OR DEPARTMENT STORES NOTE THAT THE PHARMACIES ARE, WOULD BE LIKE CVS OR WALGREENS.

AS FAR AS GASOLINE STATION WITH CONVENIENCE STORES ARE CONCERNED.

UM, WE DID CHECK WITH HDL, UM, WHICH IS OUR BUSINESS LICENSE CONSULTANTS, UM, TO SEE, TO GET FIGURES FOR HOW MANY GASOLINE STATIONS WITH CONVENIENCE STORES ARE IN THE CITY ERA, 21 GASOLINE STATIONS WITH CONVENIENCE STORES IN WEST COVINA THAT HAVE BUSINESS LICENSES.

AND THESE ARE ALL THE GAS STATIONS WITHIN THE CITY NOTE THAT WE DO NOT HAVE INFORMATION ON HOW MANY GASOLINE STATIONS ARE GREATER THAN 2000 SQUARE FEET.

UM, THE BUSINESS LICENSE DOES NOT REQUIRE AND BEING IN STORES OR GASOLINE STATIONS WITH CONVENIENCE STORES TO, TO STATE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE CONVENIENCE STORE ITSELF.

UH, YEAH, AND ALSO I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD THAT EXISTING CONVENIENCE STORES THAT ARE SMALLER THAN 2000 SQUARE FEET CAN POTENTIALLY BE INCREASED IN SIZE.

UM, GASOLINE STATIONS HAVE SERVICE SPACE THAT THEY DON'T USE OFTEN OR, OR, OR ARE NOT GETTING USED THAT THEY CAN EXPAND INTO, OR SOME GASOLINE STATIONS ALSO HAVE ROOM TO ADD ON A BUILDING AS WELL.

UM, WITH THIS STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION ADOPT THE RESOLUTION RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF CODE AMENDMENT NUMBER 20 DASH ZERO SEVEN TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

THANK YOU, JOANNE.

UM, SETH, HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? GO AHEAD.

YEAH, JOANNE, I HAVE A QUESTION ON CONDITION NUMBER, NUMBER THREE, THE, OF BEER AND QUANTITIES FEWER THAN THREE CONTAINERS IS PROHIBITED AND NO ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SHALL BE SOLD.

AND EVEN A QUANTITY IS LESS THAN THE DISTRIBUTORS RESALE UNITS.

WOULD THAT, WITH THAT SENTENCE, DOES THAT PRECLUDE THEM FROM SELLING WHAT ARE KNOWN AS FORTIES ARE TALL BOYS THAT ARE BIG 40 OUNCE? YOU KNOW, IT'S A SINGLE PACK, IT'S A SINGLE BOTTLE, BUT IT'S, IT'S HUGE.

WOULD THAT, YES, IT WOULD PRECLUDE THEM.

SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE IN THREE PACKS, AT LEAST THREE PACKS.

IT HAS TO BE ONLY IN A, IN A MULTIPACK THREE MINIMUM.

AND, AND WE'RE, THERE ARE 21, UH, GAS STATIONS WITH CONVENIENCE STORES, UM, AND EVERY, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE, IF THEY WANTED TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SELL BEER, BEER, WINE, IT WOULD HAVE TO GO TO ABC AND APPLY FOR A LICENSE.

CORRECT.

THAT'S CORRECT.

UM, UNDER THIS PROPOSED OR DRAFT OR DRAFT ORDINANCE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO FIRST APPLY FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

THE PUBLIC HEARING WOULD BE HELD IN THE PUB.

THE PUBLIC HEARING BODY WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE IT FIRST.

AND THEN THAT'S THE ONE THEY CAN APPLY OR OBTAIN THEIR LICENSE FROM ABC.

EVERY SINGLE ONE REQUIRES A CUP, A PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THIS COMMISSION, AS, AS IT'S DRAFTED RIGHT NOW.

FOR, FOR THIS PARTICULAR, UM, WHAT AMENDMENT, THANK YOU.

ON ITEM THREE, I'VE GOT SOMEWHAT OF THE SAME QUESTIONS.

I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT MY HEAD OF SINGLE QUANTITIES, FEWER THAN THREE CONTAINERS.

I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW OF ANY BEER THAT I'VE SEEN.

THAT'S LESS THAN A SIX PACK.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE THREE CONTAINERS MEAN AT A SPECIAL BEER OR SOMETHING.

THEY DO COME IN PACKAGED IN THREE PACK.

THEY ARE, BUT ARE THEY THE SAME QUANTITY IN EACH CASE OR EACH CONTAINER? YES.

WHAT COVERED, SORRY, YOU KNOW, IN THE, IN THE DAIRIES THERE, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO SELL THE BIG SINGLE CANS OF, I DON'T KNOW HOW BIG THEIR, YEAH.

AND THEN WHAT ABOUT THE JUMBO DOGS OR DOES THAT COME IN WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE BIG, BIG HALF COURTS OR WHATEVER THE HELL THEY ARE, WHAT IS THAT, WAS THAT COVERED IN HERE?

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THEIR FORTIES, THAT, THAT WOULD NOT BE THE DAIRIES TO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I HATE TO GET IT'S REALLY TOO EARLY TO, EVEN IN A DISCUSSION, BUT A DARE IS NOT A GAS STATION.

I KNOW THAT, BUT I MEAN, IT'S A DIFFERENT SET OF STIR IT'S DIFFERENT SET OF STAGE AND I'D SELL THE FORTIES.

SO WE'RE GOING TO OPEN THIS UP TO PUBLIC, HEARING ANYONE FOR YOU HAVE CARDS FOR PEOPLE.

THOSE CARDS DO COME UP AND CAN YOU PLEASE FILL A CART TOO? I'VE ALREADY CLICKED CARD.

I THINK HE'S THE ONE YOU CALLED FOR THE LAST SELF AND LISA, UH, VALLEY MIRALIS WE'RE ON THE SECOND AGENDA.

SO YOUR NAME IS BRITO IT'S RIGHT HERE.

WELL, I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY IT'S A IT'S I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES THAT I COULD SEE, UH, WITH THIS PARTICULAR PERMIT.

UH, THE OWNER IS A GOOD OWNER.

I'VE KNOWN HIM FOR A FEW YEARS NOW.

I'VE SEEN THE BUSINESS.

THEY'VE BEEN VERY CONSISTENT.

UM, I THINK THE PLUSES FOR THIS ARE THAT YOU'RE BASICALLY GOING TO EXPAND HIS BUSINESS, WHICH IS BASICALLY REVENUE INCREASING FOR THE CITY, ALONG WITH TAXES.

UH, OF COURSE THERE'S ALWAYS A COST, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS THE KIND OF COST THAT WOULD BE, UH, UNDER A MICROSCOPE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THE INDIVIDUAL'S SITUATION SINCE YOU ALREADY HAVE NUMEROUS STORES IN THE AREA.

I THINK THEY'RE ALL DOING THE SAME.

YOU CLARIFIED THAT THERE'S UNDER YOUR CUP, THAT IT'S NOTHING GOING TO BE SOLD TO ANYTHING UNDER THEN A THREE PACK MINIMUM.

SO, UH, AND ALSO THAT THERE IS, UM, UH, PLUSES FOR, UH, THE LOCAL COMMUNITY AS FAR AS POSSIBLE EMPLOYMENT.

SO THAT'S THE WAY I SEE IT.

WE HAVE KIM.

IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING.

ARE YOU DOING THOSE IN FAVOR FIRST? AND THEN, UM, YES, BUT WE DON'T HAVE IN FAVOR AS ANYONE AND NO ONE ELSE IS IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT, SALLY, SHE'S GOING TO SAY EITHER CALL THEM HOVER AND FAVORITE.

YEAH, I DIDN'T HAVE A CARD FOR SALLY.

HI, THANK YOU.

I'M SALLY MIRALIS.

UM, I'M JUST HERE TO SUPPORT THE APPLICATION FOR THE, FOR THE LICENSE TO SELL HERE.

AND, UM, I AGREE WITH RICH, UM, THAT I KNOW THE OWNER TOO AS WELL FOR ABOUT THREE YEARS NOW.

SO THEY'RE GOOD PEOPLE AND I'M JUST HERE TO SUPPORT YOU.

THANK YOU, ANYONE FOR A CODE AMENDMENT CHANGE.

HE'S THE ONE WHO SPOKE LAST TIME, SECOND TIME FOR THE CHURN.

I DON'T SEE ANY INCONVENIENT, REALLY.

YOU KNOW, WHY CAN'T HAVE A BEER AND WINE, SELL IT OUT.

THE GAS STATION.

I'LL SEE MOST OF THE SCHOOL THAT I SEE, YOU KNOW, REALLY SOME ARE WRONG WITH A MILE, MAYBE A HUNDRED FEET AWAY FROM THAT.

FOR ME, IF TOMMY'S CONVENIENT, A CERTAIN POINT ACROSS IS, UH, MOSES KARIMA.

HE'S THE OWNER.

HE'S NOT WANTING TO RAIL WITH THE GAS STATION PLUS AUTO REPAIR.

AND WE DO HAVE A LOT OF FACILITY, YOU KNOW, REALLY HELP OUT THE COMMUNITY AND REALLY SERVICE THE CARS AND GIVE ME SOME TIME COUPA, YOU KNOW, FOR A FREE CAR WASH.

AND THAT MOMENT, YOU KNOW, REALLY, I USE IT.

WHEN I GET IN, GET A COFFEE, GRAB A COFFEE, I CAN GRAB A BEER, TAKE IT HOME.

IT'S NOT A POINT IN ME GET FILLED I'LL CAR GAS AND IN A HOBBY BEER DRINKING.

NOW IT'S IMPOSSIBLE THAT SHOULD, WE DO HAVE A CAMERA'S UP THERE.

NOBODY CAN DO THAT.

AND, UM, I DON'T SEE ANY, AN INCONVENIENT WIKE AND HAVE A LIFE.

YOU KNOW, THE CELL BILL AC NOISE HALL, SEAL THE PLACENTA, TAKE IT OFF AND PUT IT IN A TRUNK.

AND I LEAVE.

NOBODY STAYS AROUND IT.

DIDN'T GET AROUND IT.

YOU KNOW, TO ME, IT'S CONVENIENT BECAUSE

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YOU SELL IT.

I WANT TO BUY A BEER, A WINE, REALLY.

I GOT TO DRIVE IT ON MY OWN, HAVING TO THE SUPERMARKET OR MAYBE RALPH, OR MAYBE I KNOW WALMART.

AND IT TAKES A LITTLE WHILE BEING IN THE LINE IN THAT ABOUT FOUR TO FIVE.

BUT THIS IS A QUICK FOR ME, PUMP A GAS AND GRAB IT AND GO, THAT'S WHAT I, I GO A FLAVOR TO THAT, YOU KNOW, SAY, THANK YOU.

YEAH, ANYONE ELSE'S FOUR.

SO THIS IS AGAINST, UM, KIM.

SO FRONT, MY BRAIN IS STILL SCRAMBLED FROM THE OTHER ISSUE.

I HAVE SO MANY QUESTIONS.

I DON'T LIVE ANYWHERE NEAR THERE.

UM, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING WE'RE HERE BECAUSE A COUNCIL MEMBER HAS DECIDED THAT THIS CHANGED HIS MIND ON THIS BECAUSE HE'S MAYBE GOTTEN A DONATION.

I'M WONDERING IF WE ALL PULL TOGETHER, WE COULD GET HIM TO CHANGE HIS VOTE WITH AN EXTRA DOLLAR.

UM, IF THIS IS THE THIRD TIME I'VE BEEN BEFORE THIS AGAINST, WE HAVE ENOUGH PLACES TO BUY BOOZE.

WE HAVE ENOUGH BEER AND WINE FROM MY HOUSE.

THERE'S TWO LIQUOR STORES, TWO, SEVEN, 11, IT'S A GROCERY STORE AND A CVS.

THAT'S ALL WITHIN THREE BLOCKS EACH DIRECTION.

I DON'T SEE THE PROBLEM OF HARD TIME FINDING IT.

AND IF I KEPT GOING TO MY JOB, MY BOSS EVERY YEAR WITH THE SAME BAD IDEA, I WOULDN'T HAVE A JOB ANYMORE.

I DON'T KNOW WHY WE HAVE TO KEEP COMING BACK TO THIS.

IT'S A GOOD ORDINANCE.

I BELIEVE FOR WEST COVINA.

I'M SURE SOME OF YOU HAVE RAISED CHILDREN.

AND HOW MANY TIMES YOU'VE BEEN GREETED WITH.

I WANT, I WANT, I WANT, AND AT SOME POINT YOU JUST SAY NO, AND I WISH WE COULD GET THERE.

AND IT WOULD BE NICE IF AT SOME POINT WE REALIZE THAT NO MEANS NO.

AND I HAD, UM, A SIGN UP WHEN I WORKED IN THE HARDWARE INDUSTRY THAT EVERY LITTER COMPLAINT OF COMPLAINTS YOU GOT, THERE WERE 10 PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T RIGHT.

SO WE MAY BE THE SAME FIVE OR SIX PEOPLE HERE, BUT ADD ANOTHER 45 AT LEAST SO THAT WE DON'T WRITE AGAINST THIS.

SO I'M STILL NOT IN FAVOR.

AND I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON YOUR LIST ABOUT A PAYPHONE THAT CANNOT BE OUTSIDE.

I'M PLACED THAT SELLS BEER AND WINE.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.

JUST CURIOUS.

ARE THEY FROM UP IN THE CITY? I DON'T KNOW, BUT IT CAN'T BE THERE.

THANK YOU, SYKES.

GOOD EVENING.

AND I'M CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION CITY STAFF.

IT WAS THE AUDIENCE.

I AM PROJECT SITES, RETIRED COUNTY, DEPUTY SHERIFF, 42 YEAR RESIDENT AND FORMER MAYOR OF THE CITY.

I AM CONCERNED, UPSET AND DISAPPOINTED.

I'M A HIT A NIGHT BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE WHO APPOINTED YOU CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, JOHNSON, CHRISTIANO'S SHOEMAKER, EVON INFERRED, THAT YOU SHOULD SUPPORT THEM IN ABOLISHING.

THE NO ALCOHOL SOLD IN GAS STATIONS, LAW, WELL, YOU KNOW, TOO MANY BAD DECISIONS BY HIGHER WEST.

WE'RE GOING TO CITY COUNCIL AND PUT THE, IN A BAD SITUATION.

WE ARE IN A CITY THAT IS NOW VIRTUALLY BANKRUPT, AND WE HAVE VERY, VERY FEW SERVICES AND STAFF THAT ARE LEFT FROM WHAT WE HAD 20 YEARS AGO, AS LAW HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR MORE THAN FOUR DECADES HAVE BEEN NUMEROUS TIMES THAT THE RESIDENTS HAD TO FIGHT FOR THIS LAW.

AND WE STILL HAVE THIS LAW BECAUSE THE GAS STATION OWNERS HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO TAKE IT FROM US.

THIS LAW IS PART OF OUR PUBLIC SAFETY AND IT IS A STANDARD

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OF LIVING FOR US.

THIS LAW MAKES SENSE IS IT HAS A VISUAL IMPACT.

AND IT MAKES A STATEMENT, A STATEMENT OF DO NOT DRINK AND DRIVE.

AND WHEN THE GAS STATIONS, OWNERS FORCED THE CITY TO DEFEND ITSELF AND TO STANDARDS, WE HAD TO GO ALL THE WAY TO THE SUPREME COURT.

AND THAT COURT AGREED WITH US AS A CITY.

WE HAVE THE RIGHT AND THE DUTY TO PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR STANDARD OF LIVING.

THE POSSIBILITY THAT ALL 21 GUESTS STATIONS CAN BE EDIT TO THE CURRENT SITUATION IS OVERSATURATION.

THIS WILL PUT AN EXCESSIVE AMOUNT OF PLACES TO BUY ALCOHOL IN OUR CITY.

AND JUST BECAUSE EVERY CITY AROUND US IS DOING THIS, DOESN'T MAKE US HAVE TO FOLLOW THEIR LEAD.

BEFORE YOU HAD 21 GAS STATIONS, PLEASE CONSIDER WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE.

AND THEN WE HAVE 150 THAT'S MORE THAN 150 ALCOHOL OUTLETS.

YOU HAVE LIQUOR STORES, GROCERY DRUG, RESTAURANTS, BARS, CONVENIENCE STORES, DAIRIES, AND WE'VE RECENTLY ADDED OUR MOVIE THEATERS.

AND THIS EXTENDS FROM ONE END TO THE OTHER OF A 17 SQUARE MILES CITY.

REMOVING THIS LAW WILL NOT IMPROVE THE CITY AND WAS NOT REQUESTED BY THE RESIDENCE.

IT APPEARS TO BE RELATED TO GREED CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS AND PERSONAL GAIN GAS STATIONS, OWNERS, OR THE SEMINOLE FORCE OR THIS.

AND MOST OF THEM DO NOT LIVE IN OUR CITY.

THEIR FOCUS IS PROFIT, NOT PUBLIC SAFETY, NOT THE STANDARD OF LIVING AND THE QUALITY OF LIFE.

WE SHOULD RETAIN AS MUCH LOCAL CONTROL AS WE CAN.

WE HAVE THE STATE LEGISLATORS THAT ARE TAKING AWAY THEIR ABILITY TO RETAIN OUR SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES.

AND, UH, WE ALSO HAVE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT HAS DEVASTATED OUR LOCAL, UH, CELL TOWER LOSS.

AND WE ALSO HAVE OUR CITY OFFICIALS THAT HAVE NOW GANGING ON US AND TRYING TO GIVE AWAY A LOCAL CONTROL, ASK YOU TO PLEASE VISIT PLACES LIKE COMPANIES TO LA AND OTHER COMMUNITIES WHERE THEY ARE WORKING TO REDUCE ALCOHOL SALES OUTLETS.

THIS IS WHERE I USED TO LIVE AND WORK AS A POLICE OFFICER, GREATER ABILITY, GREATER AVAILABILITY AND ACCESSIBILITY OF ALCOHOL.

AS LINKED WITH THE EXCESSIVE ALCOHOL DRINKING, INCREASING ALCOHOL OUTLETS SENDS THE WRONG MESSAGE TO OUR COMMUNITY AND ABOLISHING.

THIS LAW WILL FACILITATE AND ACCELERATE MORE SOCIAL PROBLEMS, CRIME AND DECAY.

WE HAVE LESS THAN 90 SWORN POLICE AND WE SHOULD HAVE WHEN WE SHOULD HAVE OVER 140 AND WITH OUR CURRENT SOCIAL AND CRIMINAL CHALLENGES, THESE DO NOT ADD TO THEIR ALREADY OVERBURDENED WORKLOAD.

THANK YOU, MR. SYKES, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

YES, PLEASE.

YOU HAVE YOU'VE REFERENCED.

I THINK IT WAS THE SECOND TIME YOU'VE YOU'VE REFERENCED A SUPREME COURT CASE.

WE SAY WE LOST, THEY LOST, THEY, THE PEOPLE WHO, WHO WANT IT WHEN THEY STARTED WITH THE IDEA OF CONVENIENCE STORES TO BE PUT IN A GAS STATIONS, UM, THE, THE, UH, THEY TOOK THEIR CASE ALL THE WAY TO THE SUPREME COURT.

AND AT THAT LEVEL, IT WAS GIVEN A RULING THAT THAT IS A PART OF WHAT MAKES WEST COVINA WEST COVINA.

THAT IS A PART OF OUR STANDARD OF LIVING HERE.

THAT'S WHY HE COULDN'T TAKE IT.

SO ALL THE CITIES THAT HAVE THAT BEFORE THE, HAD THE LAW IN PLACE BEFORE THEY STARTED THE IDEA BEFORE THEY CAME WITH THE IDEA, THAT'S WHY I'D MENTIONED THE 40 YEARS AGO, BECAUSE THEY'RE CONVENIENCE STORE IDEAS OF GUESTS.

SHE CAME IN AFTER THAT.

THEY CAME UP WITH THE IDEA, THAT'S WHAT ALLOWED US TO HANG IN THERE WHEN OTHER CITIES LOST IT.

SO THIS THAT'S WHY WE WERE ALLOWED TO KEEP UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT OR CALIFORNIA.

I BELIEVE IT'S THE US SUPREME COURT FRAME COURT.

AND DO YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT YEAR? WHAT WAS THE YEAR? THE YEAR OF THE RULING? I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT DATE AND WEST COVINA HERE.

I KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD IT SINCE 1977.

WELL, IT COULD BE IN A PARTY OF THIS CASE WHERE WE HAVE PARTICIPANT, I HAVEN'T READ THE, THE, UH, UM, WHO, WHO ALL WAS INVOLVED, ALL THE NOISE THAT WE WERE ALLOWED TO KEEP IT WHEN, WHEN ONLY BECAUSE WE HAD IT BEFORE IT WAS GRANDFATHERED TO ICT BECAUSE WE HAD TO, BEFORE

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WHEN THEY STARTED HEARING THIS, THERE WERE OTHER CITIES THAT WANTED TO BE LIKE US TO PROHIBIT IT, BUT THEY WEREN'T TO EDIT AFTER THE FACT OF WHEN THEY STARTED SAYING WE WANT TO SELL A GAS AND, UH, AND ALCOHOL IN THE SAME PLACE.

GOT IT.

REMEMBER, THIS IS ANCIENT HISTORY.

SO I WORKED THAT EASY TO LOOK UP.

I'M SURE.

WORLD FRED WE'RE OLD.

I'M SURE WE WILL FIND SOMEBODY THAT HAS IT, BUT, UH, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT HISTORY.

I, UM, SO I'M RUNNING FOR COUNCIL FOR DISTRICT THREE.

NEXT IS I'M STEVE.

THANKS MARK.

FOR, YOU KNOW, THE THING IS THAT I WOULD ALWAYS THINK TO PEOPLE WHO, UH, WOULD DO THAT, UM, MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, UM, STEVE BENNETT, A LONGTIME RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF WEST COVINA.

UM, FIRST I'M GONNA START OFF, I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU GUYS A JOKE.

WHAT IS A BROKEN BOOMERANG? IT'S A STICK.

UM, I SAY THAT JOKE BECAUSE FOR A LOT OF YOU, WHO'VE ATTENDED, THANK YOU FOR THE RIM SHOT.

UM, A LOT OF THOSE WHO HAVE ATTENDED COUNCIL MEETINGS IN YEARS PAST WAS A GENTLEMAN WHO USED TO COME UP AND SPEAK ABOUT THIS VERY TOPIC ON A REGULAR BASIS.

AND HIS NAME WAS FOREST WILKINS AND FORREST PASSED AWAY IN MARCH OF THIS YEAR.

AND FOR YEARS, FOREST WOULD FIGHT THIS BATTLE.

HE PASSED A PETITION AROUND COLLECTED HUNDREDS OF SIGNATURES.

UM, FORREST WAS A FORMER SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER, WESTFIELD UNIFIED SCHOOL BOARD, AND VERY ACTIVE IN OUR COMMUNITY, FORMER, UH, MOTORCYCLE OFFICER FOR LAPD, UM, LONG TIME FRIEND OF MY FAMILY AND I, AND I KNOW SOME OTHERS AS WELL.

AND, UM, HIS LEGACY IS PROBABLY MORE THAN THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC, BUT THIS TOPIC IS DEFINITELY TIED TO FOREST WILKINS FOR YEARS.

UM, IF HE WERE ALIVE NOW, HE WOULD BE SPEAKING TO YOU GUYS ALONG WITH THE REST OF US.

AS OTHER PEOPLE HAVE POINTED OUT, THIS ORDINANCE HAS BEEN A PART OF OUR CITY FOR YEARS, DECADES.

AND THERE'S ONLY ONE PERSON WHO KEEPS ASKING FOR THIS TO BE CHANGED.

IT'S ONE BUSINESS OWNER, ONE APPLIES EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS, AND NOW HE'S CONVINCED A COUNCIL PERSON TO CHANGE HIS VOTE AFTER HIM SUPPORTING THAT SAME PETITION, THAT FORCED WILKINS CIRCULATED.

AND HE SIGNED AND GOT IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL AS A COUNCIL MEMBER AND SAID HE WOULD NEVER CHANGE HIS VOTE.

WELL.

UM, WHETHER IT WAS RELATED TO CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS OR NOT, I'M GOING TO LET HIM ANSWER THE INTEGRITY OF THAT.

THAT'S UP TO HIM.

BUT THE HONEST ANSWER IS IT'S STILL ONE BUSINESS OWNER AND HE'S GOT SUPPORTERS, WHICH IS FINE, PROBABLY EMPLOYEES AND FRIENDS, BUT IT'S ONE BUSINESS OWNER.

WE'RE LOOKING AT 21 GAS STATIONS THAT ARE GOING TO MAKE A CHANGE POSSIBLY IN THE CITY.

IF WE BASED ON YOUR LAST RECOMMENDATIONS, IT'S NOT 21.

IT WAS ONLY WHAT ABOUT SEVEN OR EIGHT.

I THINK IT WAS BASED ON THE LAST RECOMMENDATIONS.

NOW YOU'VE GOT A COUNCIL PERSON ALSO ASKING TO REMOVE THE 2000 SQUARE FOOT LIMIT TO INCREASE THE ABILITY FOR MORE BUSINESSES.

LET'S TALK ABOUT BUSINESS FOR A SECOND.

I BROUGHT THIS UP AT THE COUNCIL MEETING.

MAYBE YOU GUYS HAVEN'T HEARD, BUT THIS ISN'T GOING TO GENERATE A WINDFALL OF CASH FOR OUR CITY.

IF YOU TAKE AN ESTIMATED $10,000 PER BUSINESS PER MONTH AND MULTIPLY THAT OUT FOR EVERY BUSINESS MONTHLY PER YEAR, TOTAL FOR EIGHT BUSINESSES, WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE WAS LESS THAN $10,000 IN TAX REVENUE TO THE CITY.

WE SPENT MORE THAN THAT ON STAFF TIME, THE MULTIPLE TIMES WE BROUGHT THIS BACK.

NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT 21 BUSINESSES.

SO LET'S MAP THAT OUT.

WE'RE TALKING JUST A LITTLE MORE THAN $20,000 IN TAX REVENUE.

$20,000 IS NOT GOING TO FIX OUR FINANCIAL SITUATION IN THE CITY.

IN FACT, IT PROBABLY ISN'T GOING TO PAY FOR THE STAFF TIME THAT WE'VE SPENT TO BRING THIS BACK TO YOU GUYS THIS TIME, OR THE PREVIOUS TIME WE'RE WASTING MORE MONEY IN STAFF EFFORT BECAUSE OF ONE BUSINESS OWNER THAN WHAT WE WASTE ON OTHER TOPICS IN THIS CITY, WE SPENT TWO HOURS TALKING ABOUT A LANDOWNER WHO WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO IS THE OWNER, DOING THINGS THAT'S COMPLETELY AGAINST THE CODE.

AND ALL WE CAN DO IS CONTINUE THE ITEM.

BUT TONIGHT ONE BUSINESS OWNER WANTS US TO CHANGE OUR ORDINANCE THAT WE'VE HAD FOR 40 YEARS WHERE WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF HE'S GOING TO ACTUALLY INCREASE HIS SALES.

IT'S A POSSIBILITY THAT MONEY TO SHIFTS FROM ONE BUSINESS TO ANOTHER, WHICH MEANS THERE'S A NET GAIN OF ZERO FOR THE CITY OF WEST COVINA.

SO AGAIN, THIS IS ABOUT ONE BUSINESS OWNER.

THAT'S ALL, THIS IS ONE BUSINESS OWNER WANTING A CHANGE FOR SOMETHING THAT THE RESIDENTS OF A HUNDRED THOUSAND I'VE HAD FOR 40 YEARS AND DON'T WANT IT TO GO AWAY.

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AND AS YOU GUYS KNOW, THERE'S A ELECTION THIS NOVEMBER, ABOUT 40 SOME DAYS AWAY.

I ASK YOU GUYS TO DO US A FAVOR AS RESIDENTS AND AS POSSIBLE FUTURE COUNCIL MEMBERS.

I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO CONTINUE THIS.

YOU GUYS WANT TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT FOR THE CITY.

LET'S FIND OUT IF MR. JOHNSON'S CORRECT.

AND THE, ALL THE PEOPLE THAT HE SAYS IN HIS DISTRICT ARE IN FAVOR OF THIS VOTE FOR HIM.

BECAUSE TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, IF HE DOESN'T GET ELECTED, THERE IS NO VOTE ON THE CITY COUNCIL TO CONTINUE THIS ON.

WE'RE 40 DAYS AWAY FROM AN ELECTION.

LET'S LOOK AT THIS FROM AN HONEST PERSPECTIVE, YOU CAN TABLE THIS.

YOU CAN CONTINUE IT AND BRING IT BACK AFTER THE ELECTION.

AND A NEW COUNCIL IS SEATED.

AND LET'S DETERMINE IF THAT IS THE WAY THIS NEEDS TO GO, BECAUSE IT BOTH OF THE, TWO OF THE YES, VOTES ON THIS COUNCIL ARE UP FOR ELECTION.

THIS ELECTION.

THAT'S MY REQUEST.

YOU GUYS AS A RESIDENT, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.

ARE WE HAVE COLLEEN NEXT? YOU'RE WELCOME.

GOOD EVENING.

GOOD EVENING AGAIN.

CALLING ROSATI ELECTED CITY TREASURER, FORMER PLANNING COMMISSIONER.

UM, I THOUGHT I WOULD JUST TAP ON THIS LITTLE SUBJECT SINCE I'M ALREADY HERE.

I CAN RECALL THIS SUBJECT COMING UP WHEN I WAS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION, I THINK IT CAME UP A COUPLE TIMES AND IT, AND IT DIED PROFUSELY.

FOR ONE, FOR SOME REASON, I HAVE A VISUAL OF HAVING SOMEBODY PULL INTO A GAS STATION, GETTING GAS, BUYING A 12 PACK, GETTING IN THE CAR AND DRIVING AWAY.

IT DOESN'T SIT WELL WITH ME.

IT CONCERNS ME, I DON'T THINK.

AND IT WAS SAID EARLIER THAT THIS IS GOING TO GENERATE AS MUCH TAX MONEY AS PROPOSED.

I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO CLOSE THE DEFICIT THAT WE MAY HAVE.

I THINK IT'S JUST GOING TO RISK LIVES AND BE INTRUSIVE ON THE COMMUNITY.

SO MY POSITION ON THIS IS TO DENY IT ONCE AGAIN, EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS AT REARS ITS UGLY HEAD, SOMEBODY HAS AN IDEA THAT WE NEED TO HAVE ALCOHOL WITH GAS STATIONS.

PLEASE ENFORCE THE ORDINANCE THAT IS ALREADY IN PLACE.

KEEP THE RESIDENTS SAFE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

HE MAKES A SOLID RECOMMENDATION YESTERDAY.

ANYONE ELSE ON, OKAY, GO AHEAD.

GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS ROBERT TORRES.

I'M HERE TO SPEAK AGAINST THE, UH, ORDINANCE.

UM, HOWEVER, I KNOW THAT AS A PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, I'M NOT REALLY SURE HOW, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ORDER OF OPERATIONS WOULD GO, BUT EITHER WAY, I THINK THE COUNCIL HAS AUTHORITY TO CALL IT BACK.

SO I'M ASSUMING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE SOME SORT OF RECOMMENDATION AND THE COUNCIL EVENTUALLY IS GONNA HAVE TO MAKE THEIR DECISIONS.

SO, UH, WITH THAT IN MIND, UH, FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, THE BIGGEST CHANGE IS THAT THEY WANT TO REMOVE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE REQUIREMENT AND EVERY DISCUSSION PRIOR TO THIS INVOLVE THAT CONDITION.

AND MANY OF YOU UP HERE, ACTUALLY THAT AS SOMETHING THAT WAS GOOD LIMIT THE AMOUNT.

SO NOW THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT 21, AS OPPOSED TO WHAT WE HAD BEFORE, WHICH WAS AROUND FOUR, THAT'S LIKE A 400% INCREASE ON THE POTENTIAL ALCOHOL SALE OUTLETS.

SO THAT'S HUGE.

SO FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, I THINK YOU GUYS NEED TO LOOK AT THAT CLOSELY.

AND I IT'S TRUE THAT THERE ARE CPS REQUIRED, BUT SINCE YOU ARE A PLANNING BODY, I THINK YOU NEED TO LOOK LONGTERM AND NOT DO IT PIECEMEAL BECAUSE AT SOME POINT WE HAD A FEW, A FEW LIQUOR STORES AND A FEW CONVENIENCE STORES.

NOW WE HAVE 45 OUTLETS AND A TOTAL OF 100 AND SOMETHING SO SLOWLY IT'LL CREEP UP AND THERE'LL BE A LOT TO LOOK AT IF WE DO IT PIECEMEAL AND CUP BY CUP.

I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT NOW, UH, HOLISTICALLY.

SO THE PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES I WAS ASKING FOR, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A REPORT FROM OUR POLICE CHIEF.

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AND THEN IF HE DOES SAY YES, THEN WHAT ARE HIS, WHAT ARE HIS RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CONDITIONS? WE STILL HAVEN'T SEEN THAT.

UH, WE HAD TWO PAGE, TWO PARAGRAPH MEMO FROM THE PREVIOUS POLICE CHIEF THAT HAD NO DETAIL AT ALL WITH REGARDS TO RECOMMENDATIONS, ANY THOUGHTFUL ANALYSIS, ANY ANALYSIS OF CRIME, DATA, UH, CALLS FOR SERVICE, NOTHING.

SO WE NEED A POLICE CHIEF REPORT.

SO I REALLY URGE YOU TO ASK FOR THAT TONIGHT.

UH, ALSO LOOK AT THE HEALTH IMPACTS.

WE CAN REQUEST THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC COUNSEL, LOOK AT THIS AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.

AND LASTLY, FOR THE FINANCE DIRECTOR TO LOOK AT WHETHER THE REVENUE IS ACTUALLY GONNA COME IN AND DO A COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY COSTS VERSUS HOW MUCH WE'RE GOING TO GET IN REVENUE.

SO I DID A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST AND THE 45 HOUR ALCOHOL OUTLETS WE HAVE, WHICH ARE ESSENTIALLY CONVENIENT STORES AND LIQUOR STORES.

WE HAVE ABOUT 45 IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, THERE WAS, UH, AROUND 15,000 CALLS FOR SERVICE TO THESE 45 SITES OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS.

SO THAT EQUATES TO ABOUT 70 CALLS PER YEAR FOR EACH OF THESE CONVENIENCE STORES.

SO IF YOU ESTIMATE, LET'S SAY A COP SHOWS UP, LET'S SAY THAT'S $500 IN TAXPAYER MONEY.

THAT'S $35,000 A YEAR.

WE'RE SPENDING TO REGULATE THESE SITES, $35,000.

AND THAT'S WITH ALL THE 45 SITES.

IF YOU PICK OUT JUST THE CONVENIENCE STORES, IT JUMPS TO 42,000 A YEAR.

WE'RE SPENDING ON POLICE CALLS JUST TO GO AND ADDRESS ALL THESE ISSUES.

AND IRONICALLY, UH, COMMISSIONER RED HOLTZ MENTIONED THE FALL BOYS AND THE LIQUOR STORES AND ALL THESE RESTRICTIONS.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE DATA, THE CONVENIENCE STORES LIKE SEVEN 11, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE HIGHER CALLS FOR SERVICE THAN THE LIQUOR STORES.

YOU HAVE MORE CRIME, YOU HAVE MORE INCIDENTS.

UM, SO THAT WAS A SURPRISE TO ME.

UM, SO SOME OF THE INCIDENTS INCLUDE THEFT, BURGLARY, SHOOTINGS, OVERDOSES, RECKLESS DRIVING, DUIS, UNSUPERVISED MINORS, SUICIDE ATTEMPTS, UNCONSCIOUS INDIVIDUALS ON THE FLOOR, PUBLIC INTOXICATION, DRINKING ONSITE ASSAULT, BATTERY FIGHTS, KNIFE, POSSESSION, GUN POSSESSION, UH, RESCUES OF UNRESPONSIVE INDIVIDUALS, TRANSIENT ACTIVITY PANHANDLING, AND THE LIST GOES ON.

SO THESE ARE ALL DOCUMENTED INCIDENCES THAT HAVE HAPPENED AT CONVENIENCE STORES, UH, NOT NECESSARILY EVEN LIQUOR STORES.

SO, UM, WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT THE FINANCIAL, UH, REVENUE COMING IN AND WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE PUBLIC SAFETY COSTS AND THE PUBLIC HEALTH COSTS AND SEE IF IT'S WORTH THAT.

AND THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING FOR THAT REPORT FROM THE POLICE CHIEF, FROM THE FINANCE DIRECTOR AND ALSO IN PUBLIC HEALTH.

UH, IF YOU MOVE FORWARD, UM, I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO GO INTO THE DETAILS, BUT THERE'S SOMETHING CALLED A DEEMED ORDINANCE OF A DEEMED APPROVED ORDINANCE THAT YOU SHOULD LOOK AT AS ESSENTIALLY REGULATING ALL THE, UH, LIQUOR STORES AND CONVENIENCE STORES OUT THERE THAT DON'T HAVE CPS, BECAUSE IF WE DO ALLOW 21 MORE, EVENTUALLY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OVERCOME OVERCONCENTRATION.

SO WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT THIS HOLISTICALLY, NOT JUST THE 21 GAS STATIONS, BUT ALL 45 LIQUOR STORES AND COMMUNITY STORES AND SEE IF WE COULD REGULATE THOSE RETROACTIVELY.

UH, SO LASTLY, I KNOW THAT THERE BEEN SOME REPORTS GIVEN, BUT LIKE I SAID EARLIER, I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK THAT'S ENOUGH.

SO, UM, PLEASE, UH, LOOK INTO ALL THOSE REPORTS AND DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE.

UH, YEAH, SO THE 70 COST PER YEAR IS AN AVERAGE OF ALL THE 45.

UH, COULD YOU ADD A STAY AT THE, AT THE DIOCESE IN THE, FOR A QUESTION YOU MEANT HE DID SOME RESEARCH THERE ON THE NUMBER OF, OF CALLS TO CONVENIENCE THAT, UH, AT LEAST IN MADE.

UM, AND, UH, I GUESS IT, THERE WAS A PARTICULAR AVERAGE THAT YOU COUNT OUT OF THE NUMBER OF CALLS TO, YOU KNOW, PER CONVENIENT START.

WHAT WAS THAT NUMBER AGAIN? 70 PER YEAR, UH, PER CONVENIENCE STORE.

IT WAS 70 PER YEAR, BUT THE PROBLEM WITH THE PROBLEM OF TRYING TO DO ESTIMATES ON THOSE, THOSE SORTS OF DATA IS THAT THEY INCLUDE EVERYTHING INCLUDE LIKE THE MARKETS, THE DAIRIES, THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE LIQUOR STORES, THE CONVENIENCE STORES.

AND IT'S, IT'S VERY, LIKE HERB SAID, YEAH, IT'S, IT VARIES AT EACH SITE.

BUT WHAT WAS INTERESTING IS WHEN I SLATED THE CONVENIENCE STORES, THOSE WERE ACTUALLY EVEN WORSE.

THE DATA CAME OUT WORSE, SO THERE WAS A HIGHER COST AND MORE CALLS FOR SERVICE AT THOSE COMPARED TO, UM, THE LIQUOR STORES.

AND I SENT AN EMAIL LATE TODAY AND IT ACTUALLY HAS ALL THE THINGS THAT'S OKAY.

THAT'S SOMETHING I WANT TO UNDERSTAND BETTER IS A DEFINITION OF THE 70 CALLS PER YEAR TO THESE VARIOUS TYPES OF STORES.

UM, THE PLURALITY OF THE, OF THE CALLS WERE SERVICE RAT CONVENIENCE STORE TYPES.

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BUT IF YOU LOOK AT JUST CONVENIENCE STORES, IT'S ACTUALLY HIGHER IN 70.

I JUST, I DIDN'T HAVE THE TIME TO WORK THAT NUMBER OUT, BUT THERE'S MORE CALLS FOR SERVICE TO A CONVENIENT SOURCE, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID EARLIER, FOR SOME REASON, THE DATA WAS SHOWING THE LIQUOR STORES HAD A LOWER CALL FOR SERVICE.

THEY DIDN'T HAVE AS MANY ISSUES THAT COULD BE ATTRIBUTED TO MANY THINGS.

MAYBE THE LIQUOR STORE OWNERS DON'T CARE.

IS THAT OUT OF THE 70 AVERAGE? YEAH.

WHERE IS THE OUT OF THAT 70 AVERAGE SAY, YOU KNOW, 20 WERE TWO CONVENIENCE STORES JUST TO USE A NUMBER AND THEN THE LESSER NUMBERS FOR ALL THE OTHER CATEGORIES? UH, YES AND NO, LIKE DAIRIES WAS HIGHER, VARIES WAS HIGHER.

AND ONE OF THE DAIRIES ACTUALLY HAD, UM, ONE OF THE DAIRIES ACTUALLY HAD 1,600 CALLS OVER, UH, OVER THE FIVE YEARS, IT HAD 1600 CALLS TO ONE DAIRY AND JUST THE COST THERE ALONE IS TREMENDOUS.

SO THE BEST I COULD DO IN THE SHORT TIME I HAD WAS COME UP WITH THOSE NUMBERS, BUT I ACTUALLY ASKED FOR THE NUMBERS FOR GAS STATIONS TOO.

UH, BUT UNFORTUNATELY I PUT THE REQUEST INTO LATE, SO I WASN'T ABLE TO GET THE PUBLIC RECORDS FOR TODAY, BUT I WANTED TO KIND OF COMPARE THE GAS STATIONS NOW AND SEE LIKE WHAT THE, THE DIFFERENCE IN CRIME WAS THERE.

BUT AGAIN, I'M NOT, I'M NOT A PROFESSIONAL, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT A PUBLIC PROFESSIONAL, A PUBLIC PEACE OFFICER, A POLICE OFFICER.

SO I DID MY BEST, BUT I REALLY THINK THAT THE POLICE SHOULD ACTUALLY LOOK AT THIS FROM THIS APPROACH.

BUT WE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IN AN OFFICIAL MANNER, WAY MORE IN DEPTH, LOOK AT CRIME STATISTICS, LOOK AT, I KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON BECAUSE JUST, JUST WHAT I GOT TODAY IS JUST IT'S JUST TO ME, IT WAS OUTRAGEOUS.

AND I, AND I KNOW THAT I FAILED TO DO THIS IN THE PAST.

I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.

CAUSE I WAS TRYING TO DO MY BEST TO PROVIDE DATA, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE ONUS TO ME, IT'S HARD FOR THE OWNERS TO BE PUT ON THE RESIDENTS.

YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT AS PUBLIC SERVANTS, THE COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL REALLY DIDN'T LOOK OUT FOR US AND DO THEIR DUE DILIGENCE TO PROVE THAT IT'S SAFE FOR THE RESIDENTS.

AND RIGHT NOW, ALL WE HAVE WAS COMMENTARY THAT, UM, DISCUSSIONS WERE HAD WITH OTHER PUBLIC OFFICIALS.

AND THEY SAID THERE WAS NO ISSUE THAT'S AND THE TWO, TWO PARAGRAPH MEMO FROM THE CHIEF, RIGHT.

AND TO ME, THAT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST NOT SUFFICIENT.

I JUST THINK THAT A LOT MORE NEEDS TO BE DONE.

AND IF FOR SOME REASON, THE CHIEF COMES UP HERE AND SAYS, I RECOMMEND IT REMOVE THE LAW.

YOU KNOW WHAT, THAT'S IT, THAT'S WHAT I'LL GO WITH BECAUSE HE'S OUR CHIEF, UM, HE KNOWS BEST, HE HAS TONS MORE EXPERIENCE THAN I DO.

SO THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING FOR, FOR OUR, FOR AN ACTUAL COMPREHENSIVE REPORT TO LOOK THE RAMIFICATIONS OF REMOVING THIS LAW FROM THE CITY.

LET ME FINISH YOUR FIRST.

UH, SO, UM, AND, AND NOT TO SUGGEST THAT YOU SHOULD BE OBLIGATED TO DO ANY MORE RESEARCH WORK AND BREAK DOWN NUMBERS, BUT, UM, WITH, UH, WITH WHAT YOU WERE ABLE TO ASCERTAIN FROM THESE NUMBERS IN THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAD A CERTAIN NUMBER OF, UH, SERVICE CALLS, UH, TO CONVENIENCE STORES AS BEING SORT OF THE PLURALITY AMONGST THOSE CATEGORIES.

BUT I GUESS THE EXCEPTION OF AREAS WHICH ARE MUCH SMALLER IN NUMBER, SO SET THAT ASIDE AS AN ANOMALY FOR WHATEVER IT'S WORTH.

UM, THEN, UH, THE THEN COMES THE QUESTION BECAUSE YOU DID START TO, UH, YOU KNOW, LIST, YOU KNOW, THE REASONS FOR THOSE CALLS AND INCLUDED IN WHAT YOU LISTED, UH, OR CALLS TO DEAL WITH, UH, DUIS OR, UH, DRINKING ON THE PREMISES.

UH, AND, UH, THOSE ARE, AND THERE'S WHAT MAYBE TWO OR THREE THAT WERE ALCOHOL-RELATED, UH, AMONGST, UH, A LARGER LIST OF THE, OF THE REASONS FOR THE SERVICE CALLS.

SO SEEMS THAT THAT'S PROBABLY GETTING DOWN BOILING DOWN THE ISSUE TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN SERVICE CALLS TO THOSE TYPES OF ESTABLISHMENTS, UH, WHERE ALCOHOL WAS INVOLVED.

AND SO AS MUCH AS THAT MIGHT BE THE PROLARIS PLURALITY OF THE 70 AVERAGE OF 70 CALLS, YOU KNOW, FOR A YEAR OR TWO, THAT SALVAGE IS LIKE THAT, IT SEEMS LIKE IT NEEDS TO BE BROKEN DOWN EVEN FURTHER.

UH, SO, UM, 70 IS JUST SORT OF A, YOU KNOW, A, UM, GENERALIZED NUMBER THAT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, FOCUS IN ON THE MORE CRITICAL ISSUE OF,

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YOU KNOW, WHERE IT'S ALCOHOL RELATED.

SO, UM, AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE THAT FURTHER AND DO THE WORK YOU MAKE IT VERY, YOU KNOW, MAKE A VERY GOOD ARGUMENT THAT IT'S A, AN ISSUE FOR IT TO BE DEALT WITH AS YOU KNOW, UH, ON THE CITY'S END OF THINGS, YOU KNOW, AS, UH, AS IT LOOK SERVANTS.

UM, SO, UM, THAT WOULD BE KIND OF THE, THE QUESTION, I THINK IF YOU WERE TO ASK THAT THIS, THAT THE CITY LOOK INTO IT AND AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE CHIEF LOOK INTO IT, AND IT THAT'D BE BROKEN DOWN TO THAT, THAT QUESTION.

AND THEN, AND THEN HOW WAS THAT? UM, AND THEN TO ALSO TAKE IT TO ANOTHER LEVEL OF LOOKING AT ESTABLISHMENT IN THE REGION AND CITY SIMILAR TO OURS, AND, AND I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES ARE IN, YOU KNOW, BY NATURE AND DEMOGRAPHIC ARE VERY SIMILAR TO WEST COVINA, SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES AND THAT WHERE THEY DO HAVE ALCOHOL SALES, LIKE AT GAS STATIONS AT THE SAME ANALYSIS, IT COULD BE APPLIED THERE.

AND THEN WE MIGHT SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE CORRELATION IS, UH, IF NOT CAUSATION OF SALES, OF ALCOHOLIC GAS STATIONS.

SO I THINK YOU'RE PARTLY WAY THERE, BUT I THINK IT'S KIND OF A LONG WAYS TO GO STILL.

AND THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT YOU'RE, I'M ASSUMING THAT THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.

OH YEAH.

IF IT, THIS, IF A DECISION'S MADE THAT, UH, FOR SOME REASON OUR, OUR POLICE AREN'T, AREN'T WILLING TO DO THAT FOR US, IF THEY ARE NOT WILLING TO LOOK AT IT IN DETAIL AND PROVIDE A REPORT, YOU KNOW, I, I, I DEFINITELY, UH, I DEFINITELY CAN DO THAT.

I JUST, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, THE TIME INVOLVED IS, IS KIND OF, IT'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TIME AND THAT'S, THAT'S PROBABLY THE REASON THAT NOBODY HERE IN THE CITY HAS EVEN DONE IT.

CAUSE IT, IT TAKES A LOT OF WORK, BUT IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION THE COMMISSION'S HEADING, UM, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I HAVE NO PROBLEM DOING THAT.

I COULD DO IT.

I JUST, I JUST NEED TO KNOW THAT IT WON'T BE IN VAIN BECAUSE A LOT OF THE TIMES I'VE DONE STUFF AND IT'S JUST BEEN IGNORED.

UM, BUT YOU, BUT YOU DID INDICATE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE CHIEF TO PRODUCE SOME ANALYSIS OR SOMEONE TO REDO SOME ANALYSIS OF THIS QUESTION IN ORDER TO VALIDATE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, UM, YOU BELIEVE IS A CONCERN, UH, WITH THE CHANGE IN THIS ORDINANCE.

AND SO, I MEAN, IF THAT WERE TO BE DONE AND IT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, JUST HYPOTHETICALLY, IF IT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, UM, SEEM 200, 800 DAILY SUPPORT YOUR POSITION, I MEAN, ASSUMING YOU WOULD ACCEPT THE RESULTS OF THAT ANALYSIS.

I THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T, I CAN'T OPPOSE THE POLICE CHIEF, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT I'M AN EXPERT AT ALL.

SO I'M DOING WHAT I CAN AS A, AS A LAYMAN.

BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IN MY, IN MY OPINION, UM, I WOULDN'T SEE HOW HE COULD SUPPORT THAT BECAUSE IN GENERAL, I THINK THAT ADDING 21 SITES, EVEN OVER A SPAN OF 20 YEARS OR HOW, YOU KNOW, WHO KNOWS HOW LONG IT'S GONNA TAKE IT GENERALLY DEGRADES THE COMMUNITY.

JUST BASED ON WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY.

THE CALLS FOR SERVICE AT THESE SITES ARE TREMENDOUSLY HIGH.

THEY TAKE A LOT OF RESOURCES.

UM, THE ONE THAT ONE I LOOKED AT IN DETAIL WAS THE ONE ON AND, UH, UH, SUNSET THAT'S RIGHT BY THE CLOSEST TO WEST COVINA HIGH SCHOOL.

AND THAT ONE HAD ACTUALLY HIGHER, UH, COST FOR SERVICE.

AND THAT, THAT ONE ACTUALLY HAD ONE, SOME OF THE WORST THINGS HAPPEN THERE AND THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE TWO GAS STATIONS, UH, AT SUNSET.

AND, UH, I THINK IT'S A MERCEDES STORES AND TRYING TO THINK ENGLISH WELL, I'M A MERCEDES, RIGHT? IT'S PROBABLY THE SEVENTH.

SOME OF THE, THE ONE I REFERENCED THE SHOOTINGS THAT THOSE WERE THERE ON THE CALLS FOR SERVICE THAT I EMAILED YOU GUYS THERE'S BEEN SHOOTINGS THERE.

UH, THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL, UH, UNCONSCIOUS PEOPLE ON THE FLOOR AND ALL THESE, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY SERIOUS INCIDENTS, BUT, YOU KNOW, KNOW IS EVEN TO START WITH THE CORRELATION JUST BEING SOLD THERE.

THEM IN TIME FOR THE COMMISSION MEETING.

SO, YOU KNOW, TO CALL OUT THOSE INCIDENTS DOESN'T NECESSARILY MAKE IT A CORRELATION TO ALCOHOL SALES, RIGHT? YEAH.

SO ALCOHOL, WHERE WERE THESE CALLS AT THE GAS STATION? OH, UH, ALL, UH, ALL OF OUR EXISTING ALCOHOL OUTLETS, UH, OFF SALE ALCOHOLICS GAS STATIONS.

NO, NO, NO.

I DO.

LIKE I SAID, I REQUESTED THE GAS STATIONS, BUT THE PUBLIC RECORDS DIDN'T COME IN TIME.

SO I DIDN'T GET TO LOOK AT THAT, BUT I WANTED TO KIND OF COMPARE THE TWO, BUT, UM, THE PUBLIC RECORDS, UH, TAKES THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME.

SO I COULDN'T GET

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BUT YOU MENTIONED THAT THE DAIRY.

BUT YOU MENTIONED THE DAIRIES THAT ONE DAIRY HAD 1600 CALLS.

I THINK WE ONLY HAVE TWO DAIRIES.

I THINK THAT WAS, WAS IT? NO, I THINK WE ONLY HAVE TWO DAIRIES IN THE CITY.

DO WE HAVE THREE WORDS? UH, THERE WAS ONE ON AZUSA, ROLAND, AND SO SKEETO ROLAND AND VINE.

THAT'S THE, SKEETO WHAT? ANSYS, QUITO AND WILLOW.

THERE WAS NO DAIRY THERE.

OH YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT.

YOU'RE RIGHT.

THERE IS NEXT TO THE OLD WINCHELL'S.

SO, BUT THAT'S AN ANOMALY, I THINK, BECAUSE WHAT I DID WHEN I TRIED TO LOOK AT THE SERVICE STATION, I MEAN THE COMPARISON OF THE SERVICE STATIONS, I TOOK OUT ONLY THE ONES THAT WERE CONVENIENT STORES.

SO I TOOK OUT LIQUOR STORES.

I TOOK OUT GROCERY STORES AND I TOOK OUT DAIRIES AND THAT WHAT I WAS GONNA MAKE WAS, UH, OH, THE DAIRY OVER THERE ON A ROLLING.

THAT'S BEEN A HOMELESS HEAVEN FOR YEARS.

I MEAN, ERIC, OH, ARE THESE PAUL'S FOR THE HOMELESS? BECAUSE WE HAVE A TREMENDOUS PROBLEM.

UH, YEAH.

THEY, THEY WERE A MIX.

THEY, THEY LIST ON THE, THEY LIST THEM AS TRANSIENTS ON THERE.

ON ALMOST EVERY LIQUOR STORE AND EVERY CONVENIENCE STORE.

THERE WAS A GOOD AMOUNT OF TRANSIENTS, BUT IT WAS MIXED IN WITH ALL THOSE OTHERS BURGLARIES, SHOOTINGS, OVERDOSES, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE WAS A HOST OF THINGS, BUT ON, YEAH, ON EVERY SINGLE ONE, THERE WAS TRANSITS, AT LEAST A DOZEN TIMES ON EVERY SINGLE ONE, JUST ADD REALLY QUICKLY THE DAIRY AT AZUSA AND ROLLING THIS COMMISSION DENIED THEIR REQUEST TO SELL HARD LIQUOR.

THEY SELL BEER AND WINE THERE.

LOOKING FORWARD TO US.

THAT WAS GOOD.

I DON'T HAVE TO SELL HARD LIQUOR.

AND WE TOLD THEM NO.

SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING EACH ONE HAS A CUP.

IT'S GOING TO COME IN FRONT OF US FOR A PUBLIC HEARING AND WE'RE GOING TO HEAR IT FROM PEOPLE.

SO I APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT, ROBERT, AND YOU'RE ALWAYS PREPARED AND YOU ALWAYS GIVE US A THOROUGH REPORT.

AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

YOU KNOW, SO, AND THE FUNNY THING IS THAT WE ALL, I THINK YOU AND I, ALL OF US THOUGHT THAT, UM, TYPE 21 LIQUOR LICENSES GENERALLY WERE I GUESS, WORSE OR UNSAFE, BUT THE DATA I GOT FOR SOME REASON, CONVENIENCE STORES ARE FAR WORSE AND FAR MORE CRIMES HAPPEN, FAR MORE INCIDENTS HAPPEN.

SO WHEN YOU, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, BOTH OF THEM SELL ALCOHOL AGAIN, YOU KNOW, UH, TO BE BOILED DOWN FURTHER TO CORRELATIONS, I'LL CALL IT.

AND, AND I'M, I'M WILLING TO, YOU KNOW, UM, MAKE THAT REQUEST AS PART OF WHAT WE DECIDE HERE TO HAVE THAT LOOKED INTO FURTHER WITH, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF ANALYSIS OF DATA.

THE CITIES AND THEY SAID, YOU GUYS APPROVE YOUR OWN.

I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.

UM, BUT, UM, UH, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION OF COURSE, BUT, UM, I DO ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT IN THAT, THAT THERE'S STILL SOMETHING TO BE SAID ABOUT, UH, ANOTHER LAYER OF OVERSIGHT ON THE ISSUE THAT DOES THAT DOESN'T REST WITH THE CITY AND THE REST WITH THE STATE IN TERMS OF, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, THE LICENSING FROM, UM, THE STATE TO SELL ALCOHOL AND THAT IT HAS, THE STATE HAS ITS OWN STANDARDS IN TERMS OF, UH, WHICH I'M NOT MAINLY NOT FAMILIAR WITH.

UH, BUT THEY HAVE THEIR OWN STANDARDS IN TERMS OF, UH, YOU KNOW, VIEWING WHERE THE APPLICANT IS LOOKING TO SELL ALCOHOL AND, YOU KNOW, THE CONCENTRATION OF ESTABLISHED AND SAID SELL IT.

I'D BE CURIOUS TO KNOW HOW, HOW WELL, YEAH.

AND IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'M, I AM FAMILIAR WITH THAT.

I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT.

LET'S HEAR WHAT, YOU KNOW, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, ABC PUTS A LOT OF ONUS ON THE PUBLIC LOCAL GOVERNING BODY.

SO EVEN IF IT'S IN AN OVER CONCENTRATED HIGH CRIME AREA, IF THEY APPLY TO ABC AND THEY'RE IN A HIGH CRIME OVER CONCENTRATED AREA, ALL ABC ASKS IS THAT THEY NEED APPROVAL FROM THE LOCAL BODY FOR THEN THEY COME HERE, THEY GET THE APPROVAL AND ABC'S HAPPY, OH, REGARDLESS OF WHERE THEY ARE AND HOW MANY ALCOHOL OUTLETS ARE IN THERE.

EVEN IF THERE'S A MORATORIUM IN THE CITY, THE ABC HAS A LIST.

IT'S A MORATORIUM LIST.

AND THAT ALLOWS NO ALCOHOL SALES IN THAT CITY, NO PERMITS TO BE ISSUED, UNLESS IF FINDING A CONVENIENCE IS GIVEN BY THE PUBLIC BODY.

SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT ABC HAS DONE IT'S THEY GOT A HIT IN THE NINETIES BECAUSE ABC USED TO REGULATE EVERYTHING.

THEY SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE GOING TO LET THE LOCAL CITIES DECIDE, OR THEY PUT THE ONUS ON

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CAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET, YOU KNOW, YELLED AT FOR APPROVING ALL THESE LIQUOR STORES AND CONVENIENT STORES.

SO ALL THE PUBLIC AGENCY NEEDS TO DO IS FIND A CONVENIENCE, A FINDING OF CONVENIENCE, AND ABC'S HAPPY.

OH, VERY HELPFUL.

THANK YOU CHAIR.

IF I MAY.

UM, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD THAT WE DID RECEIVE ONE LETTER OR EMAIL FROM JERRY, UM, PAUL TRUSS REGARDING THIS ITEM, AND IT WAS PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

I DON'T THINK WE GET THAT RIGHT.

SO THIS IS THIS, UH, IT SAYS ACCORDING TO STATEMENTS MADE BY THE ASSISTANT MANAGER AT THE LOOK AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, THERE IS A POTENTIAL TO INCREASE ALCOHOL LICENSES, 20 SOMETHING.

THAT'S A LOT OF LIQUOR LICENSES TO ADD TO OUR CITY.

SOME AREA OF THE CITY ALREADY HAVE A HIGH CONCENTRATION OF ALCOHOL LICENSE RIGHT NOW, HIGH CONCENTRATIONS OF ALCOHOL LICENSES DOES NOT HAVE IMPLICATIONS IN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT CANNOT BE EASILY UNDONE TO INCREASE LICENSES IN THOSE AREAS THAT SHOULD BE DONE WITH RESIDENT INPUT AND CAUTION.

I AM FORWARDING YOU A COPY OF AN EMAIL.

I SENT COUNCIL MEMBER, COUNCILMEN JOHNSON.

THAT EXPLAINS MY VIEW IN MORE DETAIL.

IN THE MEANTIME, I ASKED THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND BY REF, BY INFERENCE THE CITY COUNCIL TABLE, THIS ITEM UNTIL THE PANDEMIC IS OVER AND OUR RESIDENTS CAN PARTICIPATE IN A NORMAL MANNER.

THANK YOU, JURY.

PATROS.

IS THAT, IS THAT ALL LAST SOME SPEAKERS FOR TONIGHT? IF IT IS THEN WE'LL JUST CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE OPEN FOR DISCUSSION AMONG, UH, FOR DISCUSSION.

THERE'S GOING TO BE 21 LIQUOR STORES, BEER STORES, WHATEVER, LIKE A SWITCH.

UH, FIRST I JUST TO SAY ONE THING I'VE KNOWN LLOYD JOHNSON FOR OVER 25 YEARS AND, UH, YOU KNOW, HE IS A MAN OF INTEGRITY AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL.

AND I FRANKLY RESENT AS, AS HIS FRIEND FOR A QUARTER OF A CENTURY, THE IMPLICATION, IF ARE A COUPLE HUNDRED BUCKS, YOU COULD BE BOUGHT THAT'S BUNK.

I FEEL BETTER.

UH, THE OTHER THING IS THIS IS IN FRONT.

THIS HEARING TONIGHT IS AT THE REQUEST OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

WE ALL KNOW THAT THERE'S PLANNING COMMISSION DEALT WITH THIS, AND WE'VE DEALT WITH THIS OVER THE YEARS.

MANY, MANY TIMES LAST TIME IN OCTOBER, I WENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL NOW AT THEIR REQUEST.

IT'S BACK IN FRONT OF US.

AND THE PROPOSED CODE AMENDMENT IS TO ALLOW AND REGULATE OFF SALE.

AND LET ME, IF YOU LOOK AT THE WAREHOUSES, I'M GOING TO SAY ONE THING TO ME, IT'S NOT ABOUT THE REVENUE AND IT'S NEVER BEEN ABOUT THE REVENUE.

IT'S QUITE OBVIOUS.

IT AIN'T GOING TO GENERATE A WHOLE LOT OF REVENUE, PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

IT IS NOT.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE RESOLUTION ITSELF, YOU WON'T FIND THE WORD REVENUE ANYWHERE.

IT DOESN'T COME INTO PLAY, BUT WHAT IS THERE ON? WHEREAS NUMBER THREE, AND NUMBER THREE, UNDER THAT, IT IS NECESSARY TO REVISE THE STANDARDS IN ORDER TO ALLOW SERVICE STATION CONVENIENCE STORES, TO FAIRLY COMPETE WITH OTHER SMALL MARKET AND CONVENIENCE STORES, WHICH ARE ALLOWED TO SELL ALCOHOL FOR OFFSITE CONSUMPTION.

THERE IT IS THERE.

THE, THE, THOSE IN OPPOSITION ARE THE ONES THAT KEEP REFERRING TO REVENUE AND THE LACK THEREOF.

IT'S NOT ABOUT REVENUE.

IT'S ABOUT FAIRNESS.

AND WE TALK ABOUT, IT'S INTERESTING.

WE TALK ABOUT

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AND YOU NOW HAVE 21 MORE CONVENIENCE STORES SELLING LIQUOR, BEER, AND WINE.

AT THE SAME TIME, YOUR ARGUMENT WAS MADE TONIGHT THAT THERE'S ONLY ONE GUY DOING THIS FOR ONE GUY THAT THERE'S 21 GOING TO HAPPEN OVERNIGHT, BUT THERE'S ONLY ONE GUY.

I FIND THAT INTERESTING.

AND I ALSO FIND IT INTERESTING THAT THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

WE'VE DEALT WITH THIS.

AS WE ALL KNOW MANY, MANY TIMES, WHERE ARE THE OTHER 20 PEOPLE? WHERE ARE THEY IN MY VIEW, THIS IS IT COSTS MONEY, TWO BUTTON, YOU KNOW, TO BRING IT, TO GET THE LICENSE COSTS MONEY, TO BUY THE INVENTORY, TO STOCK IT, TO REGULATE IT, TO, TO SELL IT, PROMOTE IT IN THE STORE AND ALL THAT.

NOT ALL OF THEM ARE GOING TO WANT TO DO THAT.

THERE'S A COST INVOLVED HERE.

SOME OF THEM ARE VERY HAPPY TO SELL WHATEVER THEY'RE SELLING IN THEIR, IN THEIR LITTLE CONVENIENCE STORE.

IT ALSO COSTS MONEY TO TAKE AN 800 SQUARE FOOT STORE, MAKE IT A 1600 OR 1000 TO MAKE IT A 2000.

IT COSTS MONEY TO DO THAT.

AND I'M GOING TO TELL YOU RIGHT NOW TO, TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF YOUR CONCERNS.

THERE'S NO WAY FROM MY SEAT, I'M GOING TO VOTE TO MAKE IT LESS THAN 2000 SQUARE FEET.

GREAT.

SINCE, SINCE THIS WAS BROUGHT UP MANY YEARS AGO AND I WAS ON THIS COMMISSION, HOLTZ WAS ON THE COMMISSION.

WE CAME UP WITH THAT, THAT BARRIER, THAT, THAT BAROMETER AT 2000 SQUARE FEET, FOR THE SIMPLE REASON, WE WANTED TO HAVE SOME CONTROL THAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE.

THERE'S, THERE'S SOME SERVICE STATIONS THAT HAVE LIKE A THREE BY FIVE KIOSK.

YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE THEM PUT A BARREL AND THROW ICE IN AND BEERS IN THERE.

NO.

AND THE OTHER THING THAT I BROUGHT THIS UP BEFORE, WHEN THIS COMES UP, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR RETAILER OR THE OTHERS IN THE CITY.

MOST OF THEM HAVE BEEN HERE FOR DECADES AND THEY RUN GOOD, CLEAN LEGAL BUSINESSES TO THINK THAT BECAUSE YOU ALLOW THEM TO TAKE A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THEIR FLOOR SPACE OR THEIR REFRIGERATOR, AND PUT BEER IN THERE TO THINK THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY'RE GOING TO LET THEIR BUSINESS GO TO HELL.

JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO CONGREGATE AND HANG AROUND THE OUTSIDE.

AND, AND, YOU KNOW, AS WE ALLUDED, YOU KNOW, THE GREAT LATE FOREST WILKINS WAS MENTIONED, AND HE WAS A STRONG ADVOCATE FOR THIS, BUT, YOU KNOW, SCARE TACTICS.

WOMEN ARE GOING TO BE A COST THAT CHILDREN ARE GOING TO BE MOLESTED.

IT'S GOING TO BE, IT'S JUST GOING TO TURN INTO ARMAGEDDON OVER NIGHT BECAUSE WE'RE ALLOWING THESE LEGAL BUSINESSES TO SELL A LEGAL PRODUCT.

I JUST DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

AND NO, WE DID HAVE A REPORT FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THE LAST TIME I KNOW WE HAVE A DIFFERENT POLICE CHIEF, I'VE TALKED TO OTHER ELECTEDS IN OTHER CITIES, CLOSE TO US, AND SOME, A LITTLE FARTHER FROM US THAT HAVE ALLOWED THIS FOR YEARS.

IS IT A PROBLEM? IT IS.

THEY DON'T SEE IT AS A PR.

IT HAS NOT BEEN A PROBLEM IN THEIR CITY.

IT JUST HASN'T.

YOU KNOW, IF, IF SOMEONE WAS TO BRING UP EMPIRICAL DATA EVIDENCE TO BACK UP, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT THEY SAY AND RELATE IT TO WEST COVINA FINE.

BUT WITHOUT THAT, IT'S JUST A SCARE TACTIC.

YOU KNOW, PICTURES OF CARS BEING SMASHED UP, PICTURES OF CARS, DRIVING INTO GAS PUMPS.

I I'M SORRY, BUT THIS IS, THIS IS, IT IS ABOUT ALLOWING THESE BUSINESSES TO COMPETE ON A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD AND COMPETE FAIRLY WEST COVINA IS, YOU KNOW, WE LOVE YOUR BUSINESS.

COME SHOP IN WEST COVINA.

YOU COULD, THERE WERE SELLING INDIVIDUAL CIGARETTES IN A GLASS, YOU KNOW, THEY'D OPEN UP THE CARTONS AND PUT GLASSES OUT THERE AND SELL CIGARETTES OR 50 CENTS A PIECE.

THAT'S IT.

THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT IT'S ABOUT FOR ME IS TO ALLOW THESE BUSINESSES TO COMPETE FAIRLY, THEY WILL REGULATE IT.

WE HAVE, WE'VE GOT THESE CONDITIONS.

NO, WE'RE NOT.

WE'RE NOT.

THE CONCERN WAS, WELL, THEY'RE GOING TO BE SELLING.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE SELLING THE 40 OUNCERS AND THE TALL BOYS AND YOU KNOW, YEARS AGO, I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS A KID, MY DAD USED TO TAKE ME DOWNTOWN LA TO THE LIQUOR STORES.

AND

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YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THAT'S, IT'S, WE'RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW THEM TO BREAK THESE, THESE, THESE, THESE QUANTITIES UP, YOU'RE GOING TO KNOW THE RULES AND THE REGULATIONS WHEN THEY SIGN ON EVERYONE IS GOING TO BE IN FRONT OF US FOR A CUP.

WE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY ARE GOING TO DO IT.

I DON'T KNOW.

BUT I HAVE FAITH IN THESE BUSINESSES THAT HAVE BEEN HERE.

AND SOME OF THEM DO LIVE IN WEST COVINA.

I'VE HAD FAITH IN THESE BUSINESSES THAT HAVE BEEN DOING BUSINESS HERE FOR YEARS, FOR DECADES, THAT THEY WILL CONTINUE TO OPERATE AN UPSTANDING BUSINESS.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DEALT WITH THIS BEFORE.

WE'VE PASSED IT ONTO THE COUNCIL BEFORE THE COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, DIDN'T HAVE THE VOTES.

THE LAST TIME A COUNCIL MEMBER HAS DECIDED HE WANTED TO HEAR IT AGAIN AND RECONSIDER IT.

AND NOW IT'S BACK TO US.

SO I'M READY TO MOVE IT FORWARD AND SEND IT BACK TO THEM AND LET THEM DO WHATEVER THEY'RE GOING TO DO WITH IT.

THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.

ANYONE ELSE? NOPE.

AND, AND ALSO ANOTHER THING THAT TROUBLES ME IS THAT FOR THE FOUR OR THE FIVE COMMISSIONERS THAT ARE BEING APPOINTED WERE BEING APPOINTED HERE.

UM, WELL I HEAR BOTH SIDES.

THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR COMING OVER AND HAVE A GREAT DISCUSSIONS.

AND I, FOR ONE, UM, BEEN, HAVE NOT BEEN IN THE COMMISSION FOR THAT LONG, JUST ON A COUPLE OF YEARS, BUT I HAVE HEARD QUITE A FEW RESIDENTS COME OVER AND HAVE A HUGE DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS.

NOW I AM CONCERNED.

UM, BECAUSE ONE IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A LAW THAT WE HAVE.

THAT'S BEING GRANDFATHER THAT THE COMMISSIONS AND THE COUNCILS THAT'S BEEN HERE FOR THE LAST 40 YEARS HAPPENED PROTECTING OUR CITY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

AND THEY HAD THIS CODE AND, YOU KNOW, THINKING IN THE PAST FATHERS, AND THEN I AM NOT COMFORTABLE WITH REMOVING IT.

UM, JUST FOR THE SAKE OF HAVING ALCOHOL IN A, IN A GAS STATION.

NOW, THE BUSINESSES THAT PEOPLE WHO PURCHASE THE BUSINESS, THERE ARE ALWAYS RESTRICTIONS, RESTRICTIONS IN A SENSE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU BOUGHT THAT BUSINESS, KNOWING THAT YOU CANNOT SELL ALCOHOL.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING NEW THAT WE ARE RESTRICTING THEM.

THEY, THEY, THEY KNOW RIGHT FROM THE GET GO.

THEY'VE BEEN HERE 30 YEARS NOW, THE OWNER MAY NOT BE A PROBLEM, BUT THE CUSTOMER MAY BE A PROBLEM.

WE HAD NICER NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE OF HOW WE PROTECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD VERSUS CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOODS ARE, YOU CAN SAY, I WOULDN'T GO THERE AFTER 12 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT OR DAYTIME, BUT IT'S, IT CAN BE ROUGH.

IT'S ROUGH.

THE WORD FOR NEIGHBORHOOD.

YES, IT'S IT'S TO ME.

UM, AND, AND ALSO AT THE SAME TIME IS THAT WE HAVE A CERTAIN TYPE OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN A CERTAIN AREA.

AND, AND, AND, AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE DON'T WANT TO ENCOURAGE WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE CONVENIENCE OF BUYING ALCOHOL, WHETHER IT'S, UM, TO DRINK IT ON THE SIDEWALK OR ON THE PROPERTY OF THAT OWNER, POLICE CANNOT REMOVE THEM.

PLEASE WILL NOT COME TO THE GAS STATION.

AND ESPECIALLY IF YOU OPEN UP THE 21, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO COME OVER TO ME, ME MOVE A DRUNKEN PERSON THAT MAY BE DISTURBING, THE SERVING THE CUSTOMERS OR PEOPLE WHO'S GOING TO GET GAS BESIDES GOING INTO BUY ALCOHOL.

SO GOOD.

THE ONLY REASON I KNOW ABOUT THIS IS BECAUSE I HAD FRIENDS THAT WERE GOING TO CONVENIENCE STORES THAT HAD ISSUES WITH WHETHER IT'S DRUNKEN ISSUES, WHETHER IT'S HOMELESS, THEY CAN CALL THE POLICE ALL DAY LONG, BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO COME AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO REMOVE THEM.

THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO STAY THERE.

THEY HAVE THE IT'S THE PUBLIC STREET, ACCORDING TO WHAT I HEARD.

SO EVEN IF WE LIMIT THEM TO TELL THEM, HEY, YOU CAN'T DO THIS, OR YOU CAN'T DO THAT.

BUT THE CHANCES OF SOME PEOPLE TO GO AND DO THESE THINGS ARE HIGH, HIGH, MEANING THAT HOMELESS PEOPLE MIGHT BE THERE MORE OFTEN BECAUSE THEY HAVE EVERYTHING IN THEIR OWN SHOPPING CART.

THEY CAN JUST LEAVE IT OUTSIDE.

AND THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GO TO A FULL BLOWN GROCERY STORE BECAUSE THEY MIGHT COME BACK OUT AND NOT HAVE THE, ARE THERE THE THINGS.

SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE TAKE ALL THIS INTO CONSIDERATIONS.

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AND EACH OF US REPRESENT OVER 20,000 RESIDENTS HERE.

AND WE'RE SPEAKING, NOT JUST FOR WHAT WE WANT ALSO FOR THE WHOLE RESIDENT.

AND HOW'S IT GOING TO BE NEGATIVE IMPACT OF RESIDENT ALREADY.

RIGHT NOW, WE, AS WEST COVINA, WE'RE LACK OF RESOURCES.

I DON'T SEE ANY EXTRA MONEY COMING ANYWHERE TO HIRE MORE POLICE.

AND IF WE ENCOURAGE ACTIVITY THAT IS NOT FAVORABLE TO THE COMMUNITY, THEN HOW IS THAT GOING TO HELP US IN THE LONG RUN, PLEASE ARE NOT HERE TO TELL US HOW WE SHOULD RUN THE AISLE I'LL CITY.

WE ARE THE FIVE OF US THAT WAS APPOINTED AND ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE AND WE ARE BEING APPOINTED.

AND WE ARE THEIR VOICE.

WE'RE SPEAKING FOR ALL OF THEM, IS IT BECAUSE HOW IT'S GOING TO IMPACT AND WHAT WE VOTE AND HOW THE RULES AND REGULATIONS ARE BEING MADE WILL AFFECT FOREVER.

ESPECIALLY IF WE BE MOVED, THE GRANDFATHER LAW THAT HAS BEEN HERE, AND THIS IS NOT THE FIRST NIGHT I HEARD ABOUT THAT, THAT LAW.

SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT ALL OF US TAKE OFF, I LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE COME BACK, HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS, OR WAIT UNTIL AFTER ELECTIONS AND HAVE A MORE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE NEW ELECTED OFFICIALS OR APPOINT APPOINTEES AND SEE WHERE WE CAN GO FROM THERE.

SO IN THE PAST, WE HAVE COMMISSIONERS THAT REALLY LOVES TO, YOU KNOW, KEEP THIS THING AND PROTECT OUR CITY.

AND I LIKE TO SEE IT FOR TONIGHT TOO, TO SEE IF HE CAN DO SOME THINGS, TO CONTINUE PROTECT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, PROTECT OUR CITY AND NOT JUST ABOUT COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY IN THE FAIRNESS OF COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES.

I MEAN THE CODES AND ALL OH, CITY CODES, THEY ALL KNOW WE DON'T HAVE TO CHANGE IT TO SATISFY THEIR COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES.

THERE IS A CODE FOR A REASON, AND WE NEED TO FOLLOW IT FOR A REASON.

AND I BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO KEEP THIS CODE BECAUSE THE NEGATIVE IMPACT POTENTIALLY IS, IS IT'S THERE AND IT CAN BE HIGH.

HMM.

ARE YOU MAKING A SUBSTITUTE MOTION? UM, YEAH, MY SUBSTITUTE MOTION WOULD BE, UH, TO, UH, TO ADD WHAT I REQUESTED THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DO IN TERMS OF A DISCO ANALYSIS, UH, AND ADD IT TO, UM, UH, THE RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, TO APPROVE THE ITEM, TO APPROVE THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE RECOMMENDED, UM, THE, THE ORDINANCE, THE NEW ORDINANCE.

UM, I GUESS WE'RE DONE ALL DISCUSSIONS AND WE'LL MOVE TO, UM, ANY MOTION MADAM CHAIR.

I WILL, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CODE AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO 20 DASH ZERO SEVEN AND SEND IT TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

UM, I'D LIKE TO OFFER AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION, UM, TO ADD, TO ADD, UH, THAT THE, UM, LEAST DEPARTMENT, UM, REDUCE A STATISTICAL ANALYSIS OF POLICE SERVICE CALLS, UH, TO GAS STATIONS IN, UM, NEIGHBORING CITIES, UH, WHERE ALCOHOL IS SERVED, UH, TO, UH, AND PROVIDE IN THAT ANALYSIS, UH, CORRELATION BETWEEN THOSE SERVICE CALLS AND ALCOHOL SALES AT THOSE ESTABLISHMENTS.

WELL, I THINK THAT THE CITY COUNCIL WANTS TO DO THAT ONCE IT GETS OVER TO THEM, I THINK THEY CAN DO THAT, BUT, UH, I WANT MY MOTION AS STATED TO GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

I'LL SECOND THAT, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT AS PLANNING COMMISSIONERS, WE'RE HERE TO WORK ON THE CODE, NOT CONSOLE ON SAW, APPROVE THE CODE OF WHAT WE DECIDED, WHAT WE WANTED TO DO.

I'LL SECOND.

UM, YOU MENTIONED A QUAKE OR ADD ON THAT, GETTING YOUR DONE.

WE DIDN'T MAKE A MOTION.

WE DIDN'T, HE JUST LIKED TO ADD A, WELL, HOW DO WE DO THIS?

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ARE YOU SAYING TO ED, DID YOU GET THAT INFORMATION PRIOR TO US VOTING? NO, NOT PRIOR TO US VOTING, YOU KNOW, TO, TO, UH, TO PROVIDE TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

SO IF I MAY, COMMISSIONER HAWK HAS, I WILL RESTATE YOUR MOTION, WHICH IS TO, UH, ADOPT THE RESOLUTION RECOMMENDING TO THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL OF THE CODE AMENDMENT WITH THE ADDITION THAT, UH, WE ARE, UM, THAT THE COMMISSION, UH, ASKED THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UH, REVIEW THE STATISTICAL INFORMATION THAT YOU'VE LAID OUT AND PRESENT THAT TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

WHEN THIS MATTERS, HEARD BEFORE THAT, CORRECT, YOU ARE ALLOWED COMMISSIONERS MAY MAKE SUBSTITUTE MOTIONS AND THE MOTIONS ARE VOTED IN ORDER OF THE NEWEST MOTION.

SO THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION WOULD BE VOTED ON FIRST.

SO A THAT'S COMMISSIONER HUCK HAS HIS MOTION SECONDED BY CHAIR HANG.

AND SO THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST MOTION TO BE VOTED ON.

I HAVE QUESTIONS ON THIS MOST.

YEAH, I, I DON'T CONCUR WITH THAT BECAUSE IT DEPENDS ON WHAT CITIES YOU TAKE.

YOU'RE GOING TO COMPARE, UH, COMPTON WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, NO, NO, NO, NO.

OBVIOUSLY THEY WOULD HAVE GOING TO PICK THE, THE CITIES AND ALL THAT.

AND I, I, THEY WOULD BE LOOKING AT NEIGHBORING CITIES THAT ARE SIMILAR IN NATURE AND THEY BROUGHT US IN FOR ME.

I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE THEY HAVE DONE IT IN THE WAY THAT I'VE LAID IT OUT.

I KNOW BECAUSE I'VE BEEN ON A COMMISSION QUITE AWHILE, AND I KNOW THAT THE, WE HAVE GONE TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO GET INFORMATION PRIOR TO MAKING THESE DECISIONS.

AND I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE FROM MY, OH, I MEAN, YOU CAN VOTE ON THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION AND, AND, UH, AND WELL, LET ME ASK MY QUESTION THEN, IF, IF WE PASS COMMISSIONER HUCK HAS HIS MOTION, DOES THAT REMOVE THE BAN, THOSE THAT ENACT TO ALLOW US TO REGULATE RETAIL? WELL, AS, AS PART OF HIS HE'S, HIS MOTION IS TO RECOMMEND THAT THE COUNCIL APPROVE IT YES.

WITH THE ADDITIONAL POLICE INFORMATION.

SO YOU ONLY THING YOU'RE DOING IT WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US, WOULD MY MOTION YEAH.

ESSENTIALLY ADDS TO PASS.

AND YOU'RE ADDING THAT WHEN IT GOES TO THE CITY COUNCIL, THAT THAT REPORT IS, IS PART OF WHAT IS PRESENTED TO THEM.

STOP TO READ THE RESOLUTIONS.

AND SO WE ARE, UM, VOTING ON THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION FIRST, WHICH IS A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HOCKETT.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER.

WE'VE GOT THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMEND CODE AMENDMENT 20 DASH ZERO SEVEN TO THE CITY COUNCIL WITH A REQUEST, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT AT LEAST CHIEF ACTUALLY WORKS FOR THE CITY MANAGER.

SO THIS WOULD BE A REQUEST ON THE PART OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

CHIEF WOULD BE A REQUEST TO THE CITY MANAGER THEN.

UM, PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO, UH, ON THIS ITEM BEFORE IT GETS TO THE CITY COUNTY.

UM, SO THAT IS THE MOTION BEFORE THE COMMISSION AT THIS TIME.

SO, UH, COMMISSIONER HOLTZ FOR CLARITY RIGHT NOW, WE'RE WE'RE, UH, VOTING TO, UH, ALLOW THE GAS STATIONS THEY HAVE.

THAT'S WHAT THE MOTION IS, RIGHT? YES.

THAT IS CORRECT.

COMMISSIONER HAWKEYES.

COMMISSIONER KENNEDY, COMMISSIONER RED HOLES.

TO OUR PARLIAMENTARIAN HERE.

AND CHAIRING, I GUESS I KNOW THE MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO.

AND, UH, I'LL LOOK

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I, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S A NEED FOR A VOTE ON THE FIRST MOTION, IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY.

SO THAT CONCLUDES THIS ITEM AND, UH, THIS MATTER WILL BE FORWARDED TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION.

YOU HAVE, UM, NON HEARING MOVING ONTO THE NON-HEARING ITEMS. WE HAVE ANY

[COMMISSION REPORTS/COMMENTS AND MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS]

ROOM, OR I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S TRUE OR NOT, BUT I HEARD THAT TODAY FROM PRETTY GOOD SOURCE, THAT SIZZLER IS FILING FOR CHAPTER 11, SIZZLERS FILING FOR BANKRUPTCY.

THEY'RE FILING FOR BANKRUPTCY.

SIZZLER.

I CAN ADD SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO THAT.

THE, UM, SIZZLER USA, UH, IS FILING FOR BANKRUPTCY, THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY THAT OWNS 11 SIZZLERS.

IT'S 11, MAYBE 13.

I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBER, INCLUDING THE ONE HERE IN CALIFORNIA IS NOT FILING FOR CHAPTER 11.

SO THIS IS LEARN WEST COVINA WILL REMAIN OPEN AT LEAST AS OF TODAY.

I WONDER IF YOU'RE EVER GOING TO DO THE REMODELING THAT WE'VE APPROVED.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS AGO NOW.

YEAH, YOU DON'T HAVE.

YEAH, RIGHT.

THAT'S TRUE.

NOT AS LONG AS IT'S PANDEMIC AS LONG, BUT AT LEAST ACCORDING TO THE LOCAL MANAGEMENT COMPANY, THEY STORE HERE WILL BE WELL REMAIN OPEN.

I HAVE A, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S, UM, MOTHER OTHER I, OR, OR WHAT, BUT RECENTLY THE CITY OF PASADENA, THEIR PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED TO THEIR CITY COUNCIL THAT THEY TAKE A LOOK AT, UH, PENALTIES OR INCREASING THE PENALTIES.

AS WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER WITH GENERAL OF LICENSED CONTRACTORS THAT ARE OPERATING WITHOUT PERMITS.

I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT FALLS INTO, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WE CAN SUGGEST HERE, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE, BUT THERE SEEMS TO BE, UH, A LOT OF IT WHERE THERE ARE LICENSED CONTRACTORS WORKING WITHOUT PERMITS AND THEY'RE GETTING, AND THEY GET CAUGHT.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT, WHAT THE RAMIFICATIONS ARE OF THAT TO THE LICENSED CONTRACTOR.

I MEAN, THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW, I'M TALKING OUT OF SCHOOL, LET ME KNOW, BUT IT COULD BE BUILDING CODE DOES HAVE PROVISIONS THAT ALLOW THE CITY TO CHARGE DOUBLE FEES OR WORK, WHICH IS DONE WITHOUT A LICENSE.

I THINK THAT SOMETHING THAT WE'D HAVE TO POTENTIALLY DO SOME ANALYSIS ON, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CITY'S ABILITY IS TO ADD ADDITIONAL INFRACTIONS.

WE DO HAVE ALSO CODE ENFORCEMENT.

AND I THINK THAT COMMISSION IS AWARE THAT, UH, WE HAVE A NEW CODE.

WELL, NOT SO NEW ANYMORE.

HE'S COMING UP ON ABOUT A YEAR CODE ENFORCEMENT MANAGER WHO JUST DID A PRETTY COMPLETE PRESENTATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL LAST TUESDAY NIGHT.

AND, UH, HE DOES HAVE A VERY ACTIVE STAFF.

SO THERE ARE OTHER REMEDIES THAT THE CITY DOES PURSUE, I THINK, PREVIOUSLY OR CORRECT.

WE HAD QUITE A BIT OF WORK THAT WAS DONE WITHOUT PERMIT.

AND THAT PUNITIVE ACTION, YOU SAID IT'S DOUBLED.

IS THAT AGAINST THE LICENSED CONTRACTOR HIMSELF OR THE PERSON WHO HIRED HIM OR, OR IT'S IN ORDER TO OBTAIN A BUILDING PERMIT? SO LET'S SAY CODE ENFORCEMENT FINDS THAT A PROPERTY OWNER AT ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR MAIN STREET DID WORK WITHOUT A PERMIT.

WHEN THAT OWNER CAME IN TO GET THE PERMIT, THERE WOULD BE A DOUBLE FEE ASSESSED WHO ACTUALLY PAYS FOR THAT, WHETHER IT'S THE HOMEOWNER OR WHETHER IT'S THE CONTRACTOR VERSUS MAINTAINING THEIR PERMIT.

THAT'S, THAT'S WHEN THE FEES LEVY, IT'S JUST, IT JUST KINDA CONCERNS ME CAUSE IT'S TO BE HAPPY, I'M NOT LOOKING FOR ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO RUSH AS FAR AS THE REPORT.

THAT'S NOT FAST.

I HAD A QUESTION FROM MARK, UM, ABOUT, UM, THE PROCESS THAT'S GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH THE LEAP GRANT AND, UH, IN THE, IN THE REWRITING OF, OF, UH, THE CODE ON, UH, FOR PLANNING

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IN THE CITY.

AND I UNDERSTAND THIS IS GOING TO BE A VERY LONG PROCESS.

IT'S GOING TO BE A MULTI YEAR PROCESS, MAYBE TWO OR THREE YEARS, IT'S GOING TO ULTIMATELY RUN.

UM, BUT, UM, HOW, HOW SOON, FIRST OF ALL, DO YOU THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE GETTING UNDERWAY? AND, UM, AND ALSO MIGHT THERE BE SOME DISCUSSIONS THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO HAVE TO OFFER SOME OF OUR THOUGHTS ABOUT HOW SOME OF THESE, UM, CODES CAN BE REWRITTEN, YOU KNOW, BASED ON SOME THINGS THAT I KNOW THAT I'VE SEEN, THAT I, I, THAT HAVE COME BEFORE US AND DON'T HAVE, THERE'S NOT MUCH WE CAN DO TO ADDRESS A CERTAIN SITUATION THAT WE SEE ON ITS FACE IS TROUBLESOME.

AND WE WISH WE COULD SAY, I WISH THERE WERE SOMETHING IN THE CODE TO SAY THAT WE COULD HANG OUR HAT ON TO, UH, TO NOT LET THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT PRACTICE OCCUR.

UM, SO, UM, WHAT IS THE ANSWER TO THE TWO OF THOSE QUESTIONS? SURE.

UM, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND.

I THINK EVERY, ALL THE COMMISSIONERS ARE AWARE THAT, UH, WE DID RECEIVE NOTIFICATION FROM THE STATE THAT WE WORK ARE BEING AWARDED A GRANT, A LEAP GRANT, UH, TO UPDATE THE DEVELOPMENT CODE AND WEEP AS LOCAL EARLY ACTION PLANNING GRANT.

THE FOCUS IS TO INCREASE HOUSING PRODUCTION IN THE STATE.

UM, STATE H ACTUALLY DECIDED IN THIS INSTANCE THAT WE USE A CARROT AND INSTEAD OF THEIR USUAL STICK APPROACH.

AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, COMMISSIONER HOCK IS, OR I GUESS HE ADDRESS YOUR CONCERN.

THE COMMISSIONER WILL ABSOLUTELY BE INVOLVED IN THIS THING, UH, EVERY STEP OF THE WAY, UH, JOANNE AND I MET, UM, LAST WEEK TO START PUTTING TOGETHER A SCOPE OF WORK.

STEP ONE WOULD BE HIRING A CONSULTANT.

YOU START THAT PROCESS.

UH, WE ARE HOPING TO HAVE A CONSULTANT ONBOARD BY JANUARY.

OH, THAT'S OKAY.

WELL, THAT'S THE HOPE, RIGHT? WE HOPE FOR MANY THINGS, UM, SOME WHICH COME TO REALITY AND SANDWICH DON'T.

UM, BUT I THINK MAYBE NOT EARLY JANUARY, BUT I CERTAINLY THINK BY THE END OF JANUARY, WE COULD HAVE SOMEBODY ONBOARD A TEAM ON BOARD TO START THAT PROCESS.

AND, UM, I WOULD IMAGINE THE FIRST ONE OF THE FIRST MEETINGS WILL OBVIOUSLY BE WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO GATHER INPUT.

UH, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HAVING A STEERING COMMITTEE PRIZED OF TWO COMMISSIONERS BECAUSE WE CAN'T HAVE MORE THAN TWO BROWN AND AS WELL AS MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AND LOCAL BUILDERS AND CONTRACTORS, WHO'VE DONE WORK WITH THE CITY TO KIND OF HELP GUIDE THE PROCESS AND TO GATHER PUBLIC INPUT.

UM, BUT IT IS, YOU ARE CORRECT.

IT IS PROBABLY ABOUT A TWO YEAR LONG PROCESS, UM, PLUS OR MINUS, UM, TO GET THE, THE CODE ACTUALLY ADOPTED, BUT I'M FAIRLY CONFIDENT THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO START IN EARLY, UH, 20, 21 ON THIS PROCESS.

THE NATURE OF CERTAIN OF VARIOUS COMMUNITIES WITHIN THE CITY THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO THAT THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.

AND AS MUCH AS THE LEAP GRANTS, UH, OBJECTIVE IS TO ACCELERATE HOUSING AND, UM, I WAS KIND OF SURMISING THAT IT MIGHT ALSO BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, YOU KNOW, ADDRESS SOME, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME TWEAKING IN THE DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR, UH, SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE I'VE SEEN.

UH, I SEE IT AS BEEN, UH, AS A CONCERN.

UM, UH, I, I I'LL USE AN EXAMPLE FOR EXAMPLE, AND MAYBE SOME FELLOW COMMISSIONERS MIGHT WEIGH IN ON WHAT THEY THINK ABOUT THIS AS AN EXAMPLE.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE SAW A NINE INCOME BEFORE US WHERE, UH, A RATHER LARGE LOT IN THE SOUTH HILLS AREA, UH, WAS GOING TO BE SUBDIVIDED TO, YOU KNOW, GREAT, UM, TO, IT WAS ACTUALLY ONE NEW HOUSING, NEW, NEW HOUSE PROPOSED.

AND, UM, AND I THINK THAT THERE IS SOMETHING THAT'S IN THE EXISTING CODE SAYS THAT YOU CAN, THAT, THAT THERE IS A, UM, A MINIMUM SIZE THAT, UH, OF LOT THAT CAN BE, OR, UM, THAT CAN BE SUBDIVIDED.

UM, AND MAYBE THAT MIGHT BE THE SORT OF ISSUE THAT WE LOOK AT IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, SUBJECT, YOU KNOW, SUBDIVISION, UM, YOU KNOW, CONSTRAINTS.

UM, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT IT FROM THE STANDPOINT OR THE PRINCIPLE OF, WELL, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SORT OF A SLIPPERY SLOPE OF, YOU KNOW, THE SOUTH HILLS AREA AND THEN THE NATURE OF THAT COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE GOING CRAZY AND SUBDIVIDING HERE AND SUBDIVIDING THERE, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IT JUST, THE NATURE OF THAT COMMUNITY IS NO LONGER THE SAME.

AND SO MORE SO FROM THE STANDPOINT OR PRINCIPLE OF CHANGES TO THE CODE TO PRESERVE

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AND THOSE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH ACCELERATING HOUSING PRODUCTION, BUT SINCE THE EXERCISE IS BEING DONE TO REWRITE A LOT OF THE CODE, MAYBE WE HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY.

WELL, THEY'LL ABSOLUTELY BE AN OPPORTUNITY.

WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS AS A COMPLETE REWRITE.

WE'RE NOT STARTING WITH THE CURRENT CODE SAYING, YOU KNOW, LET'S CHANGE LINE 12 AND PAGE 14, IT'S SET THE ENTIRE CODE ASIDE, START FROM, START OVER.

THAT'S KIND OF THE APPROACH THAT WE ARE TAKING.

SO I THINK THERE'LL BE PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY TO REVISIT EVERY REVISION.

OKAY, YOU'RE WELCOME.

[4. COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR'S REPORT:]

I'LL TRY TO KEEP IT BRIEF BECAUSE IT'S 11 O'CLOCK.

UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS HAS NOT MET FOR THE FIRST MEETING BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T BEEN AS ACTIVE.

UM, BUT OCTOBER IS AN EXCEPTION.

UM, WE'LL MEET THE FIRST MEETING OCTOBER 13TH, AND THAT IS TO REVIEW THE EMINENT HOSPITAL.

UH, I THINK WE'RE CALLING IT PHASE ONE OF THEIR PRECISE PLAN, WHICH IS THE A SURFACE PARKING LOT.

UH, SO THAT'LL BE BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON OCTOBER 13TH.

AND, UH, WE DON'T ANTICIPATE HAVING A MEETING ON OCTOBER 27, UH, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY ITEMS. AND THEN IN NOVEMBER, UH, WILL NOT HAVE MOST LIKELY NOT HAVE A NOVEMBER 10TH MEETING.

UH, NOVEMBER 24TH IS THANKSGIVING WEEK.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT COMMISSIONER'S SCHEDULES ARE, BUT WE'VE GOT A VERY KEY PROJECT THAT WE THINK WILL BE READY ON OCTOBER ON NOVEMBER 24TH.

AND WE DO ANTICIPATE HAVING A MEETING ON THE 24TH, AND I GET A QUICK SHOW OF HANDS G COMMISSIONERS.

YOU KNOW, IF THEY'LL, I'D LIKE TO KNOW NOW, IF WE DON'T THINK WE'LL HAVE A QUORUM, SO WE CAN, ALL THE APPLICANTS YOU MAY BE OUT OF TOWN OR OTHER COMMISSIONERS PLANNING PROBABLY BE IN TOWN, YOU'LL BE IN TOWN.

YOU'RE GOOD COMMISSIONER KENNEDY YOUR DAY TO DAY.

COMMISSIONER HOLTS YOU DON'T OKAY.

SO IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, AT A MINIMUM, WE'LL HAVE A THREE MINUTE THREE MEMBER QUORUM AT A MINIMUM, WHICH IS GOOD FOR OUR PURPOSES PLANNING PURPOSES TO KNOW.

UM, BUT, UH, BUT WE DO ANTICIPATE HAVING A MEETING ON THE 24TH BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PROCESS.

IT'S JUST NOT POSSIBLE TO DO IT ON THE 10.

AND THEY'VE GOT SOME PRETTY TIGHT TIME CONSTRAINTS.

UM, AND IT'S A PRETTY EXCITING PROJECT.

SO WE'D LIKE TO TRY TO KEEP THEM ON TRACK.

UM, SPEAKING OF EXCITING PROJECTS, THE, UH, THE PLAZA WEST COVINA WAS JUST SOLD, YOU KNOW, OUT OF BANKRUPTCY TO PACIFIC RETAIL PARTNERS OR SOMETHING LIKE REC.

I THINK THEY PURCHASED SEVEN OTHER PROPERTIES AND I DON'T.

IS THERE ANY, ANY NEW INFORMATION YOU HAVE AS FAR AS WE'VE REACHED OUT TO THE NEW OWNERSHIP YOU ARE, UM, THE SEVEN MALLS THAT STAR WOULD OWN, THEY WERE IN THAT, UM, PACKAGE OF PROPERTIES.

UM, HE'D GO INTO FORECLOSURE, UH, PACIFIC RETAIL BOUGHT ALL SEVEN PROPERTIES.

WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO THEM THIS POINT, THEY'RE SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO KIND OF GO THROUGH THE PORTFOLIO AND DECIDE WHAT OUR NEXT STEPS ARE.

UM, SO WE HOPE TO BE ABLE TO MEET WITH THEM, YOU KNOW, NOVEMBER TIMEFRAME, BECAUSE THAT WAS ON THE VERGE OF COMING TO US, IT WAS PRESENTED.

UM, SO YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE STILL OPTIMISTIC THAT THERE'S, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY A PROJECT TO BE HAD THERE EVEN STARWOOD.

WE SAYING THAT THEY FELT OUT OF THE SEVEN PROPERTIES THEY HAD.

THIS WAS PROBABLY THE ONE THAT MADE THE MOST DEVELOPED, GIVEN ITS GEOGRAPHIC AREA IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA ON THE 10 FREEWAY BETWEEN DOWNTOWN LOS ANGELES AND ONTARIO.

SO WE'RE PRETTY CERTAIN IT PACIFIC WILL FEEL THE SAME WAY, BUT WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO TALK TO THEM YET.

JUST TO, YOU KNOW, UH, I REMEMBER WHEN STARWOOD WAS GOING THROUGH THEIR PROBLEMS AND THEY STOPPED EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT THEY KEPT THIS ONE.

THEY KEPT JUST ONE IN THE AIR AT IS CORRECT.