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[CALL TO ORDER]
UM, AND WELCOME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS OF JULY 28, 2020.AND, UM, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT DUE TO COVID-19, UH, COVID-19 FOR TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT.
AND THIS IS OUR FIRST TIME SINCE COVID-19 SHUTDOWN SINCE MARCH 4TH, THAT WE'RE DOING A LIVE ZOOM.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, IF YOU WANT TO PARTICIPATE WITH AN EMAIL TO THE CITY CLERKS BEFORE SIX 30, I BELIEVE.
AND ALSO CITY CLERK'S EMAIL IS CITY CIT, Y CLARK, C L E R K@WESTCORINA.WORK.
SO NOW IT'S ALL THE CALENDARS IS ONLINE.
SO IN LIEU OF ATTENDING, PLEASE CONTACT CITY CLERK, AND YOU CAN ALSO ATTEND AS WELL.
UM, ADDRESSING THE, UM, COMMISSIONERS, ANY PERSON WISHING TO ADDRESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON ANY MATTERS, UM, LISTED ON THE AGENDA OR ANY OTHER MATTER WITHIN THEIR JURISDICTION IS ASKED TO COMPLETE A SPEAKER CARD, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A SPEAKER CARD.
SO JUST CONTACT OUR CITY CLERK.
LIKE I SAID, UM, CITY CLERK, I WAS COMING ON.ORG.
UM, SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, UH, A MOMENT OF SILENCE PLUS PRAYER, UM, MEDITATIONS, AND THEN WE HAVE A PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND THEN WE'LL DO ROLL CALLS.
SO CAN YOU PLEASE JOIN ME FOR A MOMENT OF SILENCE? OKAY.
DO WE, I'M NOT SURE HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THE RESUME, SO I GUESS WE'RE GOING TO STAND.
I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS GOING TO STRETCH ENOUGH.
AND THEN DO YOU WANT ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? I'VE HEARD YOUR AGENTS
HOLTS I'M HERE ON THE PHONE AND SHARING HERE.
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES 1. Special meeting, June 24, 2020]
NEXT IS GOOD EVENING.AND THIS IS ASSISTANT CITY CLERK.
IF YOU CAN GIVE US A FEW MINUTES.
HELLO? CAN YOU HEAR ME WONDERFUL SEEING THEM? UM, OH, OKAY.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY CHANGES TO THE MINUTES OF JUNE 24, 2020 SEEING NONE.
THE MINUTES OF JUNE 24, 2020 ARE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED, UM, FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS, THE USE, UM, WE HAVE THREE ITEMS TONIGHT.
WE HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR HOUSE ON 2043 EAST NORMAN AVENUE.
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IS WE HAVE A, I KNOW COMMUNICATION.OH, I'M JUST GOING TO GO THROUGH THE AGENDAS.
AND THEN WE HAVE ORAL COMMUNICATIONS.
SO ITEM NUMBER TWO IS BASICALLY NINE OH ONE NORTH SUNSET AVENUE.
AND THE THIRD ITEM THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IS A STUDY SESSION, WHICH WILL AFFECT THE CITY WIDE.
IT'S A DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR WIRELESS TELECOMMUNICATION FACILITIES IN THE WATERWAY.
AND WE HAVE BEGAN ON ORAL COMMUNICATIONS.
THIS IS THE TIME WHEN ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC MAY SPEAK TO THE COMMISSION ON ANY MATTER WITHIN THE SCOPE OF DUTIES, ASSIGNED TO THE COMMISSION, RELATING TO NON AGENDA AGENDAS OR CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS. OTHER MATTERS INCLUDED ON THIS AGENDA.
MAYBE ADDRESS WHEN THE ITEM IS UNDER CONSIDERATIONS FOR ALL ORAL COMMUNICATIONS, SECURE PERSONS MAY IMPOSE REASONABLE LIMITATIONS ON PUBLIC COMMENTS TO SHARE IN AN ORDERLY AND TINY MEETING.
THE ROB BROWN ACT LIMITS THE PLANNING COMMISSIONS AND STUFF'S ABILITY TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THIS MEETING.
THOSE, YOUR COMMENTS MAY BE A GENERALIZED AGENDA IS FOR FUTURE MEETINGS OR REFERS TO STAFF.
THE COMMISSION MAY SPEAK, MAY ASK QUESTIONS FOR CLARIFICATION, WITH DESIRE AT THIS TIME BY POLICY OF THE COMMISSION.
NOW COMMISSION ORAL COMMUNICATION AT THIS TIME ON THE AGENDA IS LIMITED TO A TOTAL 15 MINUTES PERSON WHO ARE NOT, UM, AFFORDED THE OPPORTUNITIES TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME MAY DO SO UNDER CONTINUING CONTINUATION OF ORAL COMMUNICATION LATER ON THE AGENDA AGENDA.
SO SILLY O'CLOCK I'M NOT SURE HOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ORAL COMMUNICATION WHEN GOOD EVENING CHAIR.
THIS IS ASSISTANT CITY CLERK, LISA SHERRICK.
I RECEIVED NO COMMUNICATION FROM THE PUBLIC REGARDING THIS AGENDA.
THEN WE'LL CONTINUES TO PUBLIC HEARING.
[PUBLIC HEARINGS 2. CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NO. 20-06 CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT APPLICANT: Juvenal Martinez LOCATION: 2043 E Norma Avenue REQUEST: The applicant is requesting a Conditional Use Permit (CUP) to allow for the construction of a 1,381 square foot first floor addition (including 645 square foot garage), a 1,420 square foot second-story addition, and a 24 square foot entry porch to the existing 900 square foot single-story residence. The proposed house will have a total floor area of 3,711 square feet.]
NUMBER TWO, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 28 DASH OH SIX CATEGORY EXEMPT APPLICATION IS JOANNA.WHAT TINA'S LOCATION IS 2043 IS NORMAL AVENUE.
UM, THE AFRICAN IS BECAUSE THEN CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, WHICH IS THE CUP TO ALLOW FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A 1381 SQUARE FOOT.
FIRST FLOOR ADDITION, INCLUDING 645 SQUARE FOOT GARAGE, THE 1420 SQUARE FOOT.
SECOND STORY ADDITIONS IN A 24 SQUARE FOOT ENTRY PORCH TO THE EXISTING 900 SQUARE FOOT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, OR THE PROPOSED HOUSE WILL HAVE A TOTAL FLOOR AREA OF 3,711 SQUARE FOOT AND WHO WILL PRESENT? OKAY.
OUR I'M SORRY, OUR ASSISTANT PLANNER VERNIE AGUILAR WILL BE PRESENTING RIGHT NOW.
THE PRESENTATION IS STILL, WE'RE STILL WORKING ON PUTTING OUT THE PRECEDENT PRESENTATION IT'S GOING TO BE SHARED ON.
CHAIR AND FELLOW PLANNING COMMISSIONERS TONIGHT, I WILL BE PRESENT ON CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 20 DASH ZERO SIX.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE APPROVAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A TWO STORY RESIDENCE IN A ONE STORY NEIGHBORHOOD DUE TO THE EXCESSIVE MASS AND BULK PRESENTED BY THE PROPOSED HOUSE.
IN RELATION TO THE SIZE OF, OF HOMES WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING TO A DATE, UNCERTAIN TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT TIME TO REDESIGN THE PROJECT, TO MAKE IT MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IN ADDITION, AT THE MEETING IN ON JULY 14TH SUBCOMMITTEE FOR DESIGN REVIEW, BOTH COMMISSIONERS HOT KAZ AND RED HOLDS FELT THAT THE DESIGN AND THE SIZE OF THE PROPOSED HOUSE IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE SINGLE STORY NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE SUBJECT SITE IS SURROUNDED BY SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL TO THE SOUTH AND EAST AND WEST TO THE NORTH IS THE AUDI WEST COVINA DEALERSHIP.
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IT'S A COUPLE OF NOTES.UH, CURRENTLY THE EXISTING HOUSE IS FOUR BEDROOMS. TWO BATHS.
THE EXISTING SIZE OF THE HOUSE IS, UH, 1,111 SQUARE FEET.
AND THIS IS A CURRENT PHOTO OF THE EXISTING HOUSE THAT WAS TAKEN YESTERDAY.
HERE'S A SITE PLAN FOR THE PROPOSED TWO STORY.
UH, IN BLUE, WE HAVE THE OVERLAY OF WHERE THE SECOND STORY WILL BE SITUATED.
UH, FIRST FLOOR EDITION OF 1,381 SQUARE FEET FOR A TOTAL OF 2,281 SQUARE FEET ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
THIS INCLUDES A THREE CAR GARAGE, SECOND FLOOR ADDITION OF 1,430 SQUARE FEET.
PLUS A FRONT ENTRY PORCH OF 24 SQUARE FEET FOR A TOTAL OF 3,711 SQUARE FEET OF A TWO STORY PROPOSED HOUSE.
HERE IS THE FIRST FLOOR LIKE PLAN, I'M SORRY, FLOOR PLAN.
UH, IN GREEN, WE HAVE HERE THE DINING ROOM, THE KITCHEN, AND THE GREAT ROOM IN YELLOW.
HERE WE HAVE THE THREE CAR GARAGE IN RED IS THE BEDROOM WITH ITS CLOSET AND ITS OWN BATHROOM, INCLUDING THE SHOWER.
AND THEN IN BLUE, WE DO HAVE, UH, THE COMMON AREA AND OTHER BATHROOM AND THE STAIRCASE LEADING UP TO THE SECOND FLOOR.
LASTLY, WE DO HAVE IN PURPLE, THE ENTRY PORCH OF 24 SQUARE FEET MOVING ON TO THE SECOND FLOOR.
UH, THE FIRST THING WE SEE THERE IS THE, UH, BEDROOM IN YELLOW.
WE HAVE THE MASTER BEDROOM IN GREEN.
WE HAVE A COMMON BATHROOM AND ANOTHER BLUE.
WE HAVE ANOTHER BEDROOM AND THE YELLOW, WE HAVE THE HALLWAY WITH THAT STAIRCASE, UH, THAT WOOD HERE.
WE HAVE THE FIFTH BEDROOM, UH, IN BLUE.
AND LASTLY, THE INGRAINED, WE HAVE THE LAUNDRY ROOM NEXT.
I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU, UH, THE ELEVATIONS AND A THREE D MODEL.
AND THEN I WILL REFERENCE BACK TO STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO HERE WE HAVE THE SOUTH ELEVATION ON THE WEST ELEVATION, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE SOUTH ELEVATION IS THE FRONT ENTRANCE OF THE HOUSE.
NORTH HERE WOULD BE THE REAR ELEVATION AND THE EAST ELEVATION.
NOW I'M GOING TO COVER FIVE PLANNING, STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR MORE COMPATIBLE HOME WITHIN THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD.
NUMBER ONE WOULD BE TO MAKE THE WINDOW SHUTTERS WIDER AND ADD A WINDOW SHUTTER TO THE WINDOW.
LET ME SEE IF I CAN POINT THAT OUT.
THERE IS A WINDOW THAT IS DIRECTLY, UM, ABOVE THE PORCH WHERE THE FRONT DOOR IS A LITTLE TO THE LEFT, WHERE WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT A WINDOW SHUTTER BE PLACED THERE.
UM, AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'D ASK THAT ALL WINDOWS SHOULD HAVE MULLINS.
UH, NUMBER TWO WOULD BE TO DROP THE PLATE HEIGHT TO EIGHT FEET, WHICH WOULD REDUCE THE OVERALL HEIGHT OF THE STRUCTURE BY TWO FEET.
NUMBER THREE WOULD BE TO REDESIGN THAT FRONT ENTRY PORCH, UH, PERHAPS BRING IT DOWN A LITTLE LOWER, UH, BREAK UP THE MASSING AND ADD MORE MODULATION ON BOTH SIDES OF THE PROPOSED TWO STORY.
AND THEN THE LAST ONE, NUMBER FIVE WOULD BE, UH, AS OF RIGHT NOW, MORE THAN 50% OF THE FRONT CONSIST OF THE GARAGE, UH, THE FLOOR PLANS SHOULD BE REVISED SO THAT IT IS EXPANDED ON THE SIDES MOVING FORWARD.
UH, HERE IS A THREE D MODEL OF THE HOME, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE FRONT PORCH LOOKS A LITTLE HIGH.
SO WE ARE ASKING THAT THAT IS REDUCED DOWN, UH, IN HEIGHT, UH, ADD THE WINDOW SHUTTERS TO THE WINDOW ON THAT.
AND THEN, UM, AS I MENTIONED, ADD SOME BRAKING ON THE SIDE, SOME MODULATION, UH, AND THEN THE PLATE HEIGHT.
NOW, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE PROPOSALS IS DESIGNED IN A MINIMAL TRADITIONAL STYLE ARCHITECTURE WITH RANCH-STYLE ELEMENTS AND WE'LL FEATURE A COMBINATION OF A HIP AND GABLE THE ROOF WITH RED CHINGOS AND STUCCO ON ALL ELEVATIONS.
IN ADDITION TO THAT STACKED BRICK VENEER ALONG THE FRONT ELEVATION AND WINDOW WOOD SHUTTERS AS DISCUSSED, HERE ARE SOME PHOTOS OF THE HOMES WITHIN THAT AREA.
ON THE TOP, WE HAVE THE NEIGHBOR TO THE RIGHT, WHICH WOULD BE TO THE EAST, UH, IN THE MIDDLE.
WE HAVE THE NEIGHBOR TO THE LEFT, WHICH WOULD BE ON THE WEST SIDE.
AND THEN ACROSS THE STREET, WE HAVE THE NEIGHBOR, UM,
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I'M SORRY.ON THE BOTTOM, WE HAVE THE NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE STREET.
STAFF DID CONDUCT A SURVEY OF 21 HOMES WITHIN 300 FEET FROM THE SUB FROM THE PROJECT SITE TO DETERMINE HOW THE SIZE OF THE PROPOSED HOME COMPARES TO THE SIZE OF THE EXISTING HOMES WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THE MEDIAN SIZE OF THE HOMES WITH THE SURVEY AREA IS 1,137 SQUARE FEET.
AND THE PROPOSED FLOOR AREA OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS 49%.
THE PROPOSED HOUSE WOULD BE 2035 SQUARE FEET LARGER THAN THE AVERAGE OF THE SURVEYED SURROUNDING HOMES.
MORE SPECIFICALLY, THE HOME WOULD BE 3.26 TIMES LARGER THAN THE SURROUNDING, UH, THAN THE AVERAGE SURROUNDING HOME.
WITHIN THE 300 FOOT RADIUS, 53 OWNERS AND OCCUPANTS WERE NOTIFIED.
THE APPLICANT DID OBTAIN SOME SIGNATURES IN SUPPORT FOR THEIR PROJECT AND PLANNING STAFF DID RECEIVE A LETTER OF CONCERN, BOTH THE SIGNATURES IN SUPPORT FOR THE PROJECT.
AND THE LETTER OF CONCERN WERE EMAILED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS AND AGAIN, STAFF RECOMMENDATION DUE TO THE EXCESSIVE MASS AND BULK PRESENTED BY THE PROPOSED HOUSE PLANNING COMMISSION.
A PLANNING STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT REDESIGN TO MAKE THE PROJECT MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE AVAILABLE.
RENEE HAS V IS THE APPLICANT AMENABLE TO MAKING CHANGES TO THE PROPOSAL? YES, I'VE CONNECTED WITH THE HOMEOWNER AND THE DESIGNER AND THEY ARE BOTH OPEN TO, UH, CHANGES.
UH, NOW THEY, THEY DID WANT TO PRESENT THIS DESIGN FOR TONIGHT AND GET THE COMMENTS FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION JUST TO, UH, HELP WITH THE DESIGN OF THE HOME TO CREATE A MORE SUITABLE, UH, PROPOSAL FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
ANYONE ELSE HAS QUESTIONS FOR ALL STAFF? YOU'RE THE CHAIR.
IF I MAY, I JUST WANT TO GIVE THE PEOPLE ON THE LINE, AN OPPORTUNITY TO UNMUTE THEMSELVES.
IF THERE IS A COMMENT THEY WANT TO PROVIDE ON THE COMMENT, I'M NOT SURE IF THE APPLICANT IS ONLINE.
IT'D BE, THIS IS YOUR CITY ATTORNEY FOR TONIGHT.
UM, IT'D BE APPROPRIATE TO ASK THE APPLICANT IF THEY WISH TO SPEAK.
ARE YOU ON THE LINE OR IS THERE A CUTOFF ON THE LINE FOR THIS PROJECT? I DID SEND INSTRUCTIONS TO, TO THEM VIA EMAIL, AND THEN I FOLLOWED UP TO, AND THEY SAID THEY HAD GOTTEN INSTRUCTIONS, BUT I NEVER CONFIRMED IF THEY WERE ONLINE OR NOT GIVEN THE FACT THAT I'M NOT IN MY OFFICE.
SO, UM, CAN, WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT AS WELL.
SO I GUESS, UM, WELL NOW WE'RE, DON'T HEAR, OR DON'T KNOW IF THE APPLICANT HAS CALLED IN, BUT THEY DO HAVE THE INFORMATION, UM, TO CONTACT US.
SO TO CALL IN, INTO THE, FOR THE MEETING.
SO SHOULD I OPEN, WE'LL OPEN THIS UP TO PUBLIC HEARING AND JUST IN CASE OF THE OWNERS DECIDED, OR, OR LATER ON CALLED IN, THEN WE CAN JUST HAVE THEM TALK AT THAT TIME.
I'M ALSO GOING TO GO OUT OF ORDER A LITTLE BIT, BUT GO AHEAD.
IS THERE ANYONE STAIR, THIS IS COMMISSIONER RED HALTS.
DO, DO WE HAVE ANYONE, UH, AVAILABLE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS OR AGAINST IT? IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT.
DO WE HAVE ANY THAT YOU RECEIVE AN EMAIL? CITYCLERK NO EMAIL WAS RECEIVED CHAIR.
IS THERE ANYBODY ON THE LINE WHO WISHES
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TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? THAT'S ALL CITY OF ATTORNEY.IS THERE ANYONE ON THE LINE CURRENTLY CITY CLERK? NO.
NO ONE HAS IDENTIFIED THEMSELVES AS WANTING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
SO I AM TRYING TO ASK, WHO DO WE TALK TO, OR WHO'S GETTING THE PHONE CALLS, SO I'M NOT QUITE SURE I BELIEVE IT'S GOING TO GO INTO CITY.
SO I WILL BE ASKING HER TO SEE IF SHE GET ANY CALLS OR SOMEONE HAS EMAILS OR WHAT HAVE YOU, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.
THIS IS, THIS IS COMMISSIONER RED HOLTZ.
I WAS GOING TO SAY, UH, SINCE WE ARE ON, THERE'S NO ONE WHO HAS A REQUEST TO SPEAK ON THIS AND WE HAVE THE APP.
WE HAVE NO APPLICANT THAT WE CAN ASK QUESTIONS OF AT THIS POINT.
AND WE HAVE A RECOMMENDATION BY STAFF TO CONTINUE THE ITEM TO A DATE ON CERTAIN.
I WILL GO AHEAD AND MAKE THAT MOTION.
SO WE'LL DO ROLL CALL BEFORE WE HAVE A MOTION.
I THINK BEFORE GOING TO EMOTION, UM, UH, LIKE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, UH, OPPORTUNITY FOR, UM, DISCUSSION AMONGST THE COMMISSION MEMBERS ON THE SIDE OF THEM.
UM, ONE CONCERN THAT I HAVE, MAYBE ANOTHER COMMISSIONER HAS A SIMILAR CONCERN, BUT, UM, UH, I, I, I UNDERSTAND THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, AND WHAT WAS DISCUSSED, UM, WITH THE, UH, APPLICANT.
UM, AND, UM, I, I PERSONALLY BELIEVE THAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS DON'T GO FAR ENOUGH, UH, IN SO MUCH AS THAT, UM, IT STILL PERMITS, UH, YOU WOULD STILL, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO BRING BACK A PROPOSAL THAT WOULD PUT A SECOND STORY ON THIS, UM, ON THIS HOUSE.
AND, UM, I I'M, I AM NOT PERSONALLY IN FAVOR OF ADDING A SECOND STORY TO A HOUSE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS, UH, OVERWHELMINGLY, UH, OF A NEIGHBORHOOD OF SINGLE, UM, STORY HOMES, UH, THE, THE BULK AND MASSIVENESS ISSUE, UM, THAT WAS NOTED IN THIS ITEM IS PRIMARILY DUE TO THE FACT THAT IT INVOLVES ADDING A SECOND STORY TO THIS.
SO, UM, UH, I WOULD WANT TO, UM, OFFER A MOTION TO, UM, DIRECT THE APPLICANT, UH, TO COME BACK WITH AN ALTERNATE DESIGN THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE SECOND STORY.
THIS IS RENTAL I'LL SECOND IT, OKAY.
SO WE HAVE A, WELL, DO WE DO, I, I THINK THAT PARTICULAR AREA, UM, IF YOU HAVEN'T GOT DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS IS MOST OF THE, THE WHOLE, THERE SEEMS TO HAVE A ROOF PHILLY, ONE STORY, I MEAN, IT DOES HAVE A ROOF, BUT IT'S, IT'S ROUGH.
SO IT MAKES A WHOLE AREA OF BREWERY FOR LOW IN TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT.
NOW, IF WE WANT TO KEEP THE AREA THE WAY IT WAS BUILT IN THE 1950 OR SO, AND TO BE, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE TO CONTINUE THAT TYPE OF STYLES, OR DO WE WANT TO BRING IT UP TO MODERN? HOW AND WHAT THE OWNER WANTS BASICALLY TO UPDATE IT AND LARGE IT, I MEAN, YES, FOR THAT PARTICULAR AREA, THE AVERAGE HOUSES, 1100 UNDER, UNDER 1200 SQUARE FOOT, HOWEVER, TO TODAY'S STANDARDS, A NORMAL SIZED HOUSE IS NO LONGER 11 OR TOP HUNDRED SQUARE FOOT.
AND IF ALL CODE, CAUSE I'M NOT SURE BECAUSE EVEN THE HEIGHTS, YOU WERE ASKING THEM TO LOWER FOR AN EIGHT FOOT, EIGHT FOOT HEIGHT WALL.
WHAT IS ALL, IS THERE LIKE A MINIMUM, MINIMUM OR MAXIMUM HEIGHTS FOR OUR CITY CODE? FOR THE SECOND STORY, IT WILL ALLOW FOR A 25 FOOT HOME IN, IN ART, IN AN
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NOW I'VE ASKED WE, AS PLANNING STAFF DID ASK TO REDUCE THE PLATE HEIGHT OF THE FIRST FLOOR AND THE SECOND FLOOR, A ONE FOOT ON EACH.SO FROM 24 FEET AND THREE INCHES, WE'D BRING IT DOWN TO 22 FEET AND THREE INCHES.
SO BASICALLY YOU ASK, WE'RE ASKING THE NEW OWNERS TO BUILD THE HOUSE THAT WERE SIMILAR HEIGHTS TO THE 1950S VERSUS TODAY'S STANDARDS.
IT'S MORE NINE FOOT OR 10 FOOT.
IS THAT, I MEAN, IN GENERAL, IF YOU WERE TO GO INTO THE EXISTING AREA WHERE THE EXISTING HOUSE IS, THE CURRENT HEIGHT IS PROBABLY EIGHT FOOT.
AGAIN, WE'RE JUST ASKING THEM TO BRING IT DOWN TO AGAIN, CREATE A BLESSED BULKIER AND MASS HOME.
AND THEN THE AREA MORE SPECIFICALLY, AS FAR AS SQUARE FOOTAGE, WE ARE ASKING THEM TO REDUCE THE HOME TO, UH, WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING RIGHT NOW IS 3,700.
WE'D LIKE WE'D ASKED THAT THEY BRING IT DOWN TO 3,200, AND THAT EXACT NUMBER IS 3,270, WHICH WOULD REQUEST THAT THEY RE THEY REDUCE IT BY 411 SQUARE FEET.
WE ARE, SO YOU DO HAVE TWO MOTIONS ON THE FLOOR.
THE SECOND MOTION WOULD BE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION THAT WOULD BE VOTED ON FIRST I, WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THE STAFF, YOU KNOW, FOR FURTHER CLARIFICATION AS YOU CONSIDER THIS MOTION IS THAT IT SEEMS FROM STAFF'S POSITION, THERE IS A WAY PER CODE TO ALLOW FOR A SECOND STORY, AS WELL AS MEETING ALL THE DEVELOPMENT GUIDELINES.
THAT MAY BE COMPLETELY PERMISSIBLE HER CODE THROUGH THE CHAIR.
THERE ARE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FINDINGS.
AND ALSO IF IT'S GOING TO BE REDUCED TO AEP FINDINGS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD APPROVE, OR IF THEY CAN DENY SECOND FLOOR PROPOSAL, IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION CANNOT MAKE ANY OF THESE FINDINGS FOR A PENDING ONE OF THESE FINDINGS, THEN THEY, THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTE TO DENY THE PROJECT.
AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS NOT ABLE TO MAKE SOME OF THE FINDINGS BECAUSE OF, BECAUSE OF THEIR THOUGHTS ON THE PROJECT, IDENTIFY WHICH FINDINGS THAT THEY CANNOT MAKE IN ORDER FOR US TO BETTER PREPARE A RESOLUTION.
I'M SORRY, I'M TRYING TO HEAR WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY TO ME, BUT IT'S REALLY ECHOING.
I FEEL LIKE A FEW VOICES IS TALKING AT THE SAME TIME.
I THINK I'M, UM, COMMISSIONER AT RED HALT IS THE APPLICANT WILLING TO, TO, UH, YOU KNOW, BRING BACK A DESIGN THAT COULD BE MORE ACCEPTABLE BECAUSE WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T BELIEVE IS ACCEPTABLE AT ALL.
I HEARD ECHO, WHAT WAS IT? WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? NO.
OH, I AM SAYING THAT IS THE APPLICANT.
I MEAN, I CAN'T APPROVE WHAT'S IN FRONT OF ME AT ALL.
SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S TOTALLY OUT OF CHARACTER WITH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE THAT'S, IT'S JUST TOO BIG.
IT'S JUST, IT'S TOO BIG, YOU KNOW, AS THE APPLICANT WILLING TO BRING BACK A DESIGN THAT IS MORE ACCEPTABLE AND APROPOS IN KEEPING WITH THE LONG ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S THERE BECAUSE I CANNOT APPROVE WHAT'S IN FRONT OF ME AT ALL.
UM, THE, THE APPLICANT IS OPEN TO CHANGE THE DESIGN WITH THE GUIDANCE OF THE PLANNING
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COMMISSION WITH COMMENTS, UH, HE IS WILLING TO, TO REDESIGN.UH, BUT NOW I'M HEARING THAT, UM, YOU GUYS WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO, TO NOT APPROVE A SECOND STORY WHATSOEVER.
SO, UM, WE, WE DO LIKE, LIKE JOANNE WAS SAYING, IF, IF WE DO WANT TO GO THAT ROUTE, WE DO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHICH FINDINGS THOSE ARE.
SO WE CAN CREATE A RESOLUTION.
WE CAN'T JUST SAY THAT THEY CAN'T HAVE A TWO STORY HOME WITHOUT MAKING THE PROPER FINDINGS, OR AT LEAST IDENTIFYING THOSE FINDINGS THAT CAN'T BE MADE.
ARE WE HEARING THAT THE HOUSE IS TOO LARGE? THAT'S ONE ISSUE.
THE OTHER ONE IS SECOND STORIES.
SHOULD WE TALK ABOUT THE SECOND STORY FIRST? DO WE WANT TO ALLOW THE SECOND STORIES AND THEN HAVE THEM FIX THE MASS SIZE AND WORK WITH STAFF ON THAT PORTION? WHAT ARE YOU THE COMMISSIONERS? THIS IS COMMISSIONER RED HALTS.
I'M WILLING TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME UP WITH A MORE ACCEPTABLE, YOU KNOW, IN MY VIEW, A PROPOSAL THAT WOULD BE MORE IN TUNE WITH THE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD NOW.
I MEAN, I'M NOT TOTALLY OPPOSED TO A, A SECOND STORY, BUT I AM COMPLETELY, UH, NOT SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US TONIGHT BECAUSE OF THE BULK AND THE MASS.
I MEAN, IT'S COMPLETELY OUT OF CHARACTER FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
IF THEY COULD COME BACK WITH A PROPOSAL THAT, UH, IS MORE AMENABLE TO, TO DO THAT LONG ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'M NOT SAYING THEY NEED TO BUILD A 1950S HOUSE.
I'M SAYING THEY NEED TO DESIGN A HOUSE THAT IS W WOULD FIT INTO IT BETTER.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE EXACT SAME THING OBVIOUSLY, BUT THERE ARE DESIGNS THAT COULD BE MADE THAT WOULD BE NOT AS MASSIVE AS THIS AND BE COMPLETELY OUT OF CHARACTER WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO I'M WILLING TO CONTINUE IT, TO GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK WITH A DESIGN THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO A TWO STORY, AS LONG AS IT'S NOT OVERWHELMING, SUCH AS THE ONE IN FRONT OF US TONIGHT, THERE ARE WAYS TO DO THAT.
YOU KNOW, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL, YOU KNOW, I'M IN FAVOR OF A CONTINUANCE TO ALLOW THEM TO COME BACK, YOU KNOW, TO A DATE, UNCERTAIN, TO, YOU KNOW, GIVE THEM PLENTY OF TIME, COME BACK AND HAVE A, HAVE A DESIGN THAT IS, UH, YOU KNOW, MORE AMENABLE TO THE, UH, TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
HERE'S WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? ASSISTANT CITY CLERK, LISA SHERRICK.
I HAVE A NOTE THAT THE APPLICANT IS ON THE LINE.
IF YOU CAN GIVE ME A SECOND TO ALLOW HIM TO COME INTO THE MEETING.
UM, I THINK SHE'S ON THE LINE.
I WAS TRYING TO GET ON CHAIR, CHAIR, HANG DURING WHILE, WHILE WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE APPLICANT ON THE PHONE.
UM, I DO, I DO WANT TO, IF YOU GUYS CAN HEAR ME, I DO WANT TO STATE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE DO WANT TO READ, UM, HAVE THE APPLICANT REDESIGN, WE SHOULD SUGGEST SOME CONCRETE SUGGESTIONS ABOUT HOW MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE SHOULD BE REDUCED, UH, WHAT YOU GUYS WOULD BE BEST.
UM, UH, I KNOW HOPCAT, UH, COMMISSIONER HAUKASS HAS A PROBLEM WITH THE SIZE.
UM, PERHAPS IF HE VOICES, HOW MUCH HE FEELS, UH, SHOULD BE REDUCED AS I RECOMMENDED, UH, 3,270 SQUARE FEET, UM, THE ORIGINAL DESIGN 3,700, AGAIN, LET LET'S PROVIDE SOME,
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SOME CONCRETE SUGGESTIONS SO THAT THE NEXT TIME HE COMES BACK, IT'S WHAT YOU GUYS HAD ASKED FOR IT.AND HE'S NOT JUST GUESSING WHAT YOU GUYS WANT.
SO, UM, HI, KAREN COMMISSIONERS, BEFORE YOU SAY ANYTHING IN THE APP, WHAT CAN IS READY? WE SHOULD ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO SAY WHATEVER THEY WISH TO SAY BEFORE YOU, BEFORE YOU ENGAGE IN ANY FURTHER DIALOGUE.
I DON'T, I GUESS YOU CAN'T HEAR ME.
WHEN THE APPLICANT IS, IS READY AND ONBOARD TO SPEAK, PLEASE ALLOW THE APPLICANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY WHATEVER THEY WISH TO SAY BEFORE YOU ENGAGE WITH THE APP PLAN AND ASK ANY QUESTIONS OR HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR THE CHAIR.
WE, UH, WE HAVE THE APPLICANTS ON THE PHONE WERE GIVING HIM THE ZOOM CONTACT INFORMATION.
I'M HERE WITH THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.
CAN YOU HEAR ME PICTURES FROZEN.
ARE YOU THERE JUAN? MR. MARTINEZ, MR. MARTINEZ, ARE YOU ON THE LINE? YOUR PHONE IS MUTED.
IF YOU COULD UNMUTE YOUR PHONE, THERE YOU GO.
IS THERE A WAY I CAN TRANSLATE FOR HIM? OKAY.
CAUSE HE'S BEEN HEARING YOU GUYS THROUGH YOUTUBE, SO, UM, AND I'VE BEEN TRANSLATING FOR HIM.
SO HE SAYS HE'S WHEN HE'S IN AGREEMENT WITH WHAT THE CHANGES THAT YOU WANT HIM TO, TO MAKE AND, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR HIM TO GET THE APPROVAL ON THE SECOND STORY HOME.
WHAT WAS THAT?
HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? WELL, THIS IS COMMISSIONER RED HOLE.
IF HE SAID HE'S IN AGREEMENT, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE'S IN AGREEMENT WITH.
HE'S IN AGREEMENT WITH THE CHANGES THAT YOU GUYS WANT HIM TO MAKE, TO MAKE, UH, TO MAKE IT WORK WHERE HE CAN BUILD HIS SECOND, THE SECOND STORY HOME.
SO DEPENDING ON, ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU GUYS ARE WILLING TO WORK TO WORK WITH, HE'S WILLING TO MAKE THAT CHANGE.
SO, SO ON THE SECOND HEARING, YOU KNOW, HE CAN, HE CAN HAVE AND REPRESENT A SECOND, UH, PLANNING TO, TO THE, TO THE REQUIREMENTS
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THAT ARE, YOU GUYS ARE ASKING FOR APPROVAL.I CAN'T HEAR THE CHAIR AT ALL.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? CAN ANYONE HEAR ME? YES.
WHERE ARE WE? I'M ASKING OUR COMMISSIONERS TO SEE IF WE ARE AGREEING WITH WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING.
I WOULD STILL LIKE TO ASK THE APPLICANT, UH, IS, UH, ABOUT WHAT I'VE ALREADY SAID, UH, EARLIER IN THIS MEETING, UM, UH, NOT WANTING TO SEE THIS, UM, PROPOSAL A SECOND STORY.
UH, HOW DOES HE FEEL ABOUT, ABOUT THAT? WHAT DO YOU MEAN TO THE PROJECT? NOT INCLUDE A SECOND STORY.
HE HE'S SAYING THAT HE DOESN'T AGREE WITH THAT.
HE STILL WANTS TO CONTINUE WITH HIS SECOND STORY.
UM, COMMISSIONERS, DO WE HAVE ANY, CAN, UH, COMMISSIONER KENNEDY HERE? CAN HE REDUCE IT 30% OF MAYBE TOTAL SIZE AND HOW MANY FEET WOULD IT BE ON THE 30% TO REDUCE? WELL, I, I THINK IT'S JUST TOO BIG THEN WE NEED TO JUST SLIM IT DOWN.
UM, I JUST THINK THAT, UH, MAYBE 25%, UH, THE MAY GO AHEAD.
UM, I I'D LIKE TO ASK IF OUR PLANNING STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF REDUCING THE HOUSE BY 441 SQUARE FEET.
IF THE COMMISSIONERS ARE ON BOARD FOR THAT, IF NOT, WE CAN DISREGARD THAT AND MOVE ON TO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
UM, BUT AGAIN, JUST REMINDER, WE NEED TO GET ALL THE COMMISSIONERS ON BOARD.
SO I'M GOING TO START BY ASKING IF 441 SQUARE FEET IS, UH, IT'S APPROPRIATE.
IF YOU GUYS DON'T, THEN WE CAN DISREGARD THAT AND MOVE INTO ANOTHER NUMBER.
SO YOU, NO, THIS IS COMMISSIONER RED HOLTZ.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT THE HOME COULD BE REDUCED SO THAT IT IS NO MORE THAN 25% GREATER THAN THE MAXIMUM UNIT SIZE FOR THE LOT OF THAT 25%, IF THAT FIT INTO THE 440 SQUARE FEET YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE, UM, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M YES.
WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND WE CAN ASK OTHER COMMISSIONERS TO SEE IF THAT IS A THING THAT WE WOULD MISS FOR THIS STUFF.
WE'VE DONE THAT THIS IS COMMISSIONER.
UM, I THINK FOR EVERYBODY'S, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THIS NUMBER OF 41 SQUARE FEET, BUT THAT YEAH, IF THERE WERE TO BE SOME COMPROMISE ABOUT RESISTING THE SIZE AND MASSIVENESS OF THE SECOND STORY, IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN.
SO THE APPEARANCE OF THE MASSIVENESS REALLY, UH, IN, IN MY OPINION, IT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH THAT SECOND STORY.
THAT IS, UM, SECOND STORY THAT IS
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APPEARS AT THE FRONT OF THE, UH, FRONT OF THE HOUSE OR THE PROPOSED.AND SO THIS 441 SUITE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS ESSENTIALLY THE, UM, THAT AREA IN THE, IN THE PROPOSED FLOOR PLAN FOR THE SECOND BEDROOM ON THE SECOND STORY, ESSENTIALLY, THAT AREA, THAT AREA AND THE OTHER, THE JOINING THE OTHER AREA NEXT TO IT IN THE FRONT, THEY'LL JUST ESSENTIALLY TAKE THAT SECOND FLOOR A SECOND STORY, UM, AND PUSH IT BACK THAT I THINK THAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND LOWERING THE HEISTS WITH FULL LONG, LONG WAYS TO WHERE I WOULD FEEL TO BE A FAIR COMPROMISE AND NOT CREATE A NEW HOME THAT IS OVERWHELMINGLY MASSIVE OUT OF CHARACTER WITH THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'M NOT, NOT INTERNALLY SAY FAVORABLE THE IDEA OF ADDING SECOND STORIES ON HOMES IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
BUT I SEE THIS AS I SEE THIS AS, AS A COMPROMISE, THAT WILL ALLOW THEM TO HAVE SOME SECOND STORY SPACE.
SO I WANT TO ASK MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT BEING THAT, ESPECIALLY THE REMOVAL OF THAT FRONT ROOM AND SETTING, THE SECOND POINT BACK TO LOWERING THE PLATE HEIGHTS WOULD BE TO, UM, AS A RECOMMENDATION TO THIS APPLICANT.
SO COMMISSIONER HAUKASS, I LIKE TO CLARIFY THAT.
SO YOU'RE OKAY WITH THE HOUSE, WITH THE EXCEPTIONS OF THE FRONT ROOM.
IF THEY PUSH THE FRONT ROOM BACK, YOU'LL BE OKAY WITH IT.
IF THEY CAN PUSH IT BACK, OR IF IT EVOLVES THE ELIMINATION OF BATHROOM, THE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO REDUCE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE BY SOME 441 SQUARE FEET GIVE OR TAKE.
UM, HOWEVER, THAT'S A, YEAH, THE ONE THING THAT REALLY CREATES AN IMPOSITION ON THIS HOME FROM THE FACE OF THAT SECOND STORY TO THAT BAR.
AND, UH, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT DID THAT RESULT IN REDUCTION IN SQUARE FOOTAGE OR NOT? SO COMMISSIONER, WHEN I'M HEARING YOU, IS THAT YOU'RE SAYING THE FRONT BEDROOMS BEING PUSHED BACK, WOULD YOU BE OKAY IF THEY WERE TO LEAVE THE FOOTPRINT THE SAME? YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT.
IF THAT ROOM CAN BE PUSHED BACK UP, IT DOESN'T RESULT IN REDUCING SQUARE FOOTAGE, REDESIGNED THE LAYOUT, BUT THAT'S FINE.
BUT YEAH, BUT IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT A, THROUGH REQUIRES REDUCING SQUARE FOOTAGE, EITHER WAY, THAT COULD BE A COMPETENT, WE JUST ASKED THE OWNER, IF THEY'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH STAFF, RENEE, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THAT REDUCING SQUARE FOOTAGE.
BUT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT AGAIN? YEAH.
I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK YOU CAN ACCOMPLISH PUSHING, UM, THE FACEBOOK SECOND STORY, PUSHING IT BACK WITHOUT REDUCING SQUARE FOOTAGE.
UM, BUT, UM, THAT'S UP TO THE APP CAN FIGURE THAT OUT.
SO CAN WE ASK THE APPLICANT IF THEY'RE OKAY WITH PUSH, WHETHER THE FRONTAGE OF THE PARTICULAR FRONT ROOM, PUSH IT BACK FURTHER AND IF THEY DO PUSH THE FRONT ROOM, UNLESS YOU THINK MAKE UP THAT LOSS OF SQUARE FOOTAGE SOMEWHERE ELSE MEANS IT'S UP TO THEM.
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IF THE APPLICANT IS WILLING TO REDUCE THE SIZE OF 441 SQUARE FEET YES.AS A RESULT, THE SECOND STORY WOULD BECOME SMALLER, GIVING THEM THE CHANCE TO PUSH IT BACK.
SO I FEEL LIKE IF WE ARE ASKING THEM TO PUSH IT BACK AND ASKING THEM, I MEAN, THOSE TWO GO HAND IN HAND AND THAT THE APPLICANT HAS ALREADY EXPRESSED THAT HE IS WILLING TO DO THAT.
SO COMMISSIONER HAS, IS TRYING TO TELL US THAT IF WE PUSH THE FRONT BEDROOM BACK AND THEY PICK UP SQUARE FOOTAGE SOMEWHERE ELSE, HE'S OKAY WITH IT.
IS THAT CORRECT? CAN I, THIS IS COMMISSIONER RED HOLES.
CAN I THROW ANOTHER AMBER ONTO THE FIRE? ARE YOU HEARING ME? YES.
YOU KNOW WHAT? I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE FACT THAT 50% OF THE FRONT ELEVATION IS THE GARAGE.
AND THAT IS ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THEY ARE WILLING TO REDESIGN WITH.
UM, SO JUST TO REITERATE, WE COULD, UM, WE COULD ASK THAT THE APPLICANT FOLLOWS THE FOUR RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT I WENT OVER EARLIER.
AND IN ADDITION THAT REDUCED THE 441 SQUARE FEET, UH, THE TIE OF PUSHING THAT THE BACK A LITTLE MORE ON THE SECOND FLOOR TO CREATE AN EVEN BIGGER BREAK.
UM, SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT LIKE, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S KINDA WHAT I'M GETTING FROM THIS CONVERSATION.
THE FLIPPERS, I REMEMBER THAT.
SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION BEFORE WE GO TO THAT? WE STILL HAVE TWO MOTIONS ON THE FLOOR OR TAKE IT OFF OR I WAS DRAWING MY, UM, MY SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
AND CHECK, BEFORE WE PROCEED WITH THE MOTIONS, DID YOU WANT TO HEAR MORE FROM THE APPLICANT OR ARE YOU DONE HEARING FROM THE APPLICANT? NO.
IF HE WANTS TO SAY SOMETHING, GO AHEAD, PLEASE.
BY ALL MEANS
AND, UH, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU GUYS LEAVING THAT AS IS JUST PUSHING IT BACK, OR ALSO REDUCING THE 441 SQUARE FOOT, DO YOU WANT TO, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE OKAY.
IF HE CAN PUSH TO RUN BACK AND IF HE NEEDS TO PICK UP THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, WE WERE OKAY WITH THAT.
THIS IS, THIS IS COMMISSIONER RED HOLTZ.
WHAT ARE WE THINKING ABOUT THE FRONT PORCH AGREEMENT? GUESS I MAY NOT BE.
HE'S GOING TO LOWER DOWN TO THE LEVEL OF THE GARAGE.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? WELL, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST, UH, IT'S, IT'S HARD TO SAY WITHOUT SEEING IT, BUT YOU KNOW, IF HE'S WILLING TO WORK WITH US AND WILLING TO LISTEN TO THE SUGGESTIONS AND THE STAFF BULLET POINTS, I'M WILLING TO KEYNOTE, CONTINUE IT AND HAVE HIM BRING BACK SOMETHING ELSE.
YOU KNOW, I, I'M NOT GOING TO GUARANTEE I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THAT.
I WANT TO SEE WHAT IT IS FIRST.
HAS WITHDRAWN HIS SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
SO THE MOTION YOU HAVE ON THE FLOOR IS A COMMISSIONER OF RED HOLDS HIS MOTION TO CONTINUE THE ITEM TO A DATE, UNCERTAIN TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT, TO WORK WITH STAFF ON A REVISION TO THE PROJECT IN ACCORDANCE WITH SNAPS RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE DIRECTION GIVEN ALL THE COMMITMENTS.
I ALREADY SECOND THAT KENNEDY SECOND DID IT.
I BELIEVE THAT THAT, THAT MOTION, UM, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER AN ALTERNATIVE THAT, UH, TO, UM, PROPOSE THE TERMS OF, UH, OF, OF THE FIRST MOTION AND ACT WITH THE,
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UM, CONDITIONS THAT THE APPLICANT IS AGREEABLE TO IN TERMS OF, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, SITTING BACK, UM, ON SECOND FLOOR AND BEING AGREEABLE WITH YOU, POTENTIAL REDUCTION IN SQUARE FOOTAGE.AND, UH, I LOOK AT SITE AND THAT WOULD BE, SO THIS IS COMMISSIONER RED HALLS.
I MEAN, IT SOUNDED LIKE HE WAS WILLING TO TAKE OUR SUGGESTIONS.
YOU KNOW, I THINK WE, HE KNOWS WHAT WE WANT AND I'M WILLING TO LET HIM COME BACK TO US WITH WHAT HE WANTS TO, UH, PUT IN FRONT OF US AGAIN.
HE KNOWS WHERE WE'RE AT ON THIS.
I THINK THAT YOUR MOTION WAS BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, W WE DIDN'T WANT IT TO BE JUST THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND WE WANT IT TO ADD TO WHAT HE IS AND WE'RE ABLE TO.
I THINK THE CITY ATTORNEY EXPRESSED THAT.
AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT GOES, YEAH, SHE CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID.
ON THE SAME PAGE, IF I MAY, I JUST WANTED TO SEE IF I CLARIFY, UM, TO GET CLARIFICATION REGARDING THE MOTION, UH, UH, CHAIR RAG.
UM, COMMISSIONER RED HOLDS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE THE APPLICANT GO THROUGH THE NORMAL PROCESS AND CONSULT WITH THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FIRST, BEFORE GOING THROUGH TO GOING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR GOING STRAIGHT TO THE PLANET PLANNING COMMISSION WITH THE REDS DESIGN, I WOULD PREFER TO COME STRAIGHT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
JUST COME RIGHT BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
WE HAVE A SECOND, WE DO A ROLL CALL STUFF.
CAN YOU READ RESOLUTION NUMBER? IS THAT A NUMBER? ISN'T IT? I'M SORRY.
THERE IS NO RESOLUTION NUMBER.
WE'RE CONTINUING TO THE, JUST THE ROLL CALL, ROLL CALL.
UM, TO CONTINUE THIS TERM, UM, COMMISSIONER READ HOLES BY COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER KENNEDY.
HI, THERE IS VICE-CHAIR HOLTZ ON THE LINE FROM VICE CHAIR IS UPSET AND CHAIR HANG.
LET THE MOTION SHOW THAT DEVOTE IS FOR ZERO TO CONTINUE THE ITEM TO A DATE.
WE'LL SEE YOU IN THE FUTURE WITH A, HOPEFULLY A DESIGN WE CAN LOVE.
SO WE'RE DO YOU WANT TO WAIT UNTIL THE APP AGAIN? YOU CAN PROCEED.
[PUBLIC HEARINGS 3. PRECISE PLAN 20-03 CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 20-05 CATEGORICAL EXEMPTION APPLICANT: Asaph Guirguis LOCATION: 901 N. Sunset Avenue REQUEST: The applicant is requesting a precise plan and conditional use permit to allow for the construction of a 905-square foot car wash/equipment room, expansion of the convenience store within a portion of the existing mechanic shop, a 190-square foot office and restroom addition, and a 925–square foot additional fuel pump canopy (including two additional dispensers and an additional fuel storage tank), on a 20,900-square foot parcel with an existing gas station.]
GOING TO GO TO ITEM NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS BESIDES PRINT NUMBER 20 DASH OH THREE.IT'S A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 20 DASH OH FIVE CATEGORY X APPLICANT.
LOCATION IS NINE ZERO ONE NORTH SUNSET AVENUE BECAUSE IT'S, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING FOR A PRECISE PLAN AND USE PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A 905 SQUARE FOOT CARWASH SLASH EQUIPMENT ROOM EXPANSION OF THE CONVENIENCE STORE WITHIN A PORTION OF THE EXISTING MECHANIC SHOP A 190 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE AND RESTROOM ADDITION IN A 925 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION, ADDITIONAL FUEL PUMP CANOPY INCLUDE TWO ADDITIONAL DISPENSERS AND ADDITIONAL FIELD TANK STORAGE STORAGE TANK ON A 20,900 SQUARE FOOT PARCEL FOR THE EXISTING GAS STATION.
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WE'RE HEARING FROM CAMILLE.UM, I'M CHAMELEON MARTINEZ ASSISTANT PLANNER.
I WILL BE PRESENTING TODAY'S PRESENTATION.
SO TODAY WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT PRECISE PLAN 2003 AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 2005.
UM, THE SUBJECT TITLE IS A NINE OH FIVE NORTH SUNSET AVENUE IS CURRENTLY ZONED AS NC NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL.
THE LOT SIZE IS 20,900 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS AROUND 0.48 ACRES.
I'M SORRY, IS THAT THE TITLE? YOU'RE CORRECT.
IT IS NINE OH ONE NORTH SUNSET AVENUE.
SO FOR PRECISE PLAN, 2005 A IS A REQUEST TO PROPOSE A CARWASH AND AN ADDITIONAL FUEL PUMP CANOPY CON.
AND THEN THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 2005 IS TO REQUEST A QUERY REQUEST TO ALLOW THE UPGRADED OPERATION OF AN AUTO SERVICE STATION, INCLUDING THE PROPOSAL OF AN ASSESSORY CARWASH.
THE GAS STATION WAS INITIALLY APPROVED IN 1964 THROUGH U U P 93, WHICH WAS OUR OLD CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT LABEL.
A HEALEY TANK WAS APPROVED THROUGH PLANNING DIRECTORS MODIFICATION OH EIGHT DASH 27, WHICH WE NOW CALL A MINOR SITE PLAN REVIEW.
CURRENTLY THE SITE HAS A 1,200 SQUARE FOOT MECHANIC SHOP A 400 SQUARE FOOT CONVENIENCE STORE AND A 1,445 SQUARE FOOT FUEL PUMP CANOPY, WHICH INCLUDES FOUR DISPENSARIES.
THIS IS AN EXISTING SITE PLAN.
UH, YOU HAVE THE LANDSCAPING HERE AS WELL AS 12 PARKING SPACES, INCLUDING TWO ACCESSIBLE PARKING SPACES.
UH, IN RED, YOU HAVE THE HEALEY TANK AND THEN THE EXISTING CANOPY FUEL CANOPY AND PINK.
YOU HAVE THE 400 SQUARE FOOT CONVENIENCE STORE.
THEN YELLOW, YOU HAVE THE 12,000 SQUARE FOOT MECHANIC SHOP.
SO IN THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN YOU HAVE IN GREEN, THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPING AND THE CORNER AND BROWN, YOU HAVE THE NEW, UH, TRASH ENCLOSURE AND RED IS THE EXISTING HALEY TANK, WHICH WILL NOT BE MOVED.
IT WILL STAY IN ITS CURRENT LOCATION.
THEN YOU HAVE THE EXISTING PUMP CANOPY AND THE NEW PUMP CANOPY.
AND THEN YOU HAVE SEVEN PARKING SPACES WITH ONE ACCESSIBLE PARKING SPACE, AS WELL AS THE REDUCED SQUARE FOOTAGE OF AN 800 FOOT MECHANIC SHOP AND 103 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THE 800 SQUARE FOOT CONVENIENCE STORE, WHICH WAS EXPANDED.
AND THEN LASTLY, YOU HAVE THE NEW CARWASH WITH THE STORAGE ROOM PHOTOS THIS MORNING OF, OF THE EXISTING SITE.
UH, IT'S NOT VERY CLEAR BECAUSE THERE WERE CARS PARKED.
UM, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING PUMP CANOPY AND THEN THE EXISTING BUILDING IN THE BACKGROUND.
GOING THROUGH THE PROPOSED ELEVATIONS FOR THE SERVICE STATION FIRST, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE EAST ELEVATION, UM, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE WHERE IT SAYS THE FOOD MART, THAT IS WHERE THE CONVENIENCE STORE WILL BE IN OB AT A HEIGHT OF 18 FEET, AND THEN TAPERS DOWN TO THE MECHANIC SHOP, WHICH WILL BE AT A HEIGHT AT 12 FEET.
UH, SAME THING, JUST THE OTHER DIRECTION OF THE WEST ELEVATION.
YOU CAN SEE THE TWO, UM, ROLL UP DOORS THERE.
AND THEN CONTINUING IN IS A CONVENIENCE SHOP.
I'M STILL STICKING TO THE 12 FEET AND 18 FEET.
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AND THEN YOU HAVE THE NORTH AND SOUTH ELEVATION OF THE, UH, SERVICE STATION, WHICH YOU CAN SEE INCLUDES THE AWNINGS.UM, AS WELL AS THE NEW FACADE, AS FAR AS A CARWASH FOR NORTH SOUTH AND NORTH ELEVATION, UM, IT WILL BE AT MAX HEIGHT OF 16 FEET.
AND THIS WILL BE AT BOTH ENDS THERE FOR THE NEW PUMP CANOPY, A PUMP CANOPY BEING PROPOSED.
IT WILL BE AT 13 FEET AND IT WILL BE TWO NEW, UH, DISPENSERS AS FAR AS THE CONDITION USE PERMIT FOR THE UPGRADE OFFER OPERATION OF THE GAS STATION AND THE CARWASH, THE GAS STATION CONVENIENCE STORE WILL BE OPEN 24 HOURS.
THE MECHANIC SHOP WILL BE OPEN FROM 8:00 AM TO 5:00 PM AND THE CARWASH WILL BE OPEN FROM 8:00 AM TO 7:00 PM.
IS THAT SEVEN DAYS A WEEK FOR THE MECHANIC SHOP? THIS IS RENTAL.
THE APPLICANT COULD ANSWER IT LATER.
YEAH, THE I, BUT YEAH, THE APPLICANT CAN CLARIFY THAT FOR US LEADER.
I JUST HAVE THE HOURS OF OPERATION.
IT SEEMS TO BE MISSING A SLIDE, BUT, UM, MY LAST SLIDE WAS STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS TO PROPOSE, I MEAN, TO APPROVE RESOLUTIONS, UH, OF PRECISE PLAN 2005, UH, 2003 AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 2005.
IF THE COMMISSION HAS ANY QUESTIONS, THE APPLICANT IS, UM, HERE VIRTUALLY AND I AM HERE TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WITH THAT YOU MAY HAVE, OKAY.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THE PROJECT, A CHAIR, HANG TO SEE IF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF BEFORE WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I HAVE NO QUESTIONS.
THIS WAS A HEARING YOU MEET WITHIN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND SEE IF THE APPLICANT WISHES TO SPEAK.
WELL, OPENING UP TO PUBLIC HEARINGS.
SO, UM, THE APPLICANTS, ARE YOU HERE? I CAN'T SEE ANYTHING.
I'M THE ARCHITECT FOR THE PROJECT AND I HAVE GIRL GETS WITH ME AND WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTION THAT YOU MIGHT, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
YEAH, I UNDERSTAND IN YOUR, UH, YOU KNOW, IN YOUR BUSINESS PLAN, YOU OPERATED A, WAS IT A SERVICE STATION IN COVINA? AND IF SO, WHERE WAS THAT? AND HOW LONG DID YOU HAVE THAT? IT IS ACTUALLY IS IN 300 NORTH AZUSA TWO.
OH, HE'S CURRENTLY OPERATING IN WEST COVINA.
WHAT KIND OF A STATION IS THAT? IT IS ACTUALLY AN ARCO STATION.
OH, MAN, THAT GOES BACK TO RICHFIELD.
THE CHEAPEST GUY THAT GOES BACK A LONG WAY.
THAT ARCHITECTURE GOES BACK TO THE SIXTIES.
BECAUSE ACTUALLY YOU OPERATE THAT ONE.
IF THESE ARE THE NUMBER ONE IS SALES TAXPAYER IN THIS INDUSTRY.
HOW LONG HAS HE OWNED AT THE STATION? YEAH, HE'S ON THAT FOR THE LAST, THESE 2011.
SO HE'S GOING TO KEEP THAT ONE.
AND THIS WOULD BE A SECOND ONE, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
AND HE HAD THIS ONE, THE NEW ONE, UH, FOR SIX MONTHS? YES, SIR.
AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, AS AN ARCHITECT, I THINK THAT WILL BE AN OPERATE, YOU KNOW, TO MODERNIZE THE BUILDING.
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AND IT WILL BE MUCH MORE OF AN ASSET FOR THIS MEETING, BUT I THINK THAT THE ELEVATIONS AND THE RENDERING SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES, HOW DO YOU BE A MUCH BETTER BUILDING THAN WHAT IT IS NOW.AND WHILE I'VE GOT YOU, THE, THE, THE, UH, THE MECHANIC HOURS IS THAT FIVE DAYS A WEEK, SIX, SEVEN.
WHAT IS THAT? IT IT'S SIX DAYS A WEEK.
SO MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.
ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAS A CAR FOR THE OWNER? I HAVE ONE OTHER QUICK QUESTION.
THE THANK YOU, THE, THE MECHANIC IS, IS THAT, UH, SOMEBODY YOU'RE SUBLEASING TO, OR ARE YOU GOING TO OPERATE THAT ALSO, THAT INDIVIDUAL IS GOING TO BE SUDDENLY DIZZY AND HE'S BEEN THERE FOR THE LAST, I BELIEVE, 15 YEARS.
AND YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS OUT THERE OTHER DAY, IT LOOKED LIKE THE, YOU KNOW, THE SIGNAGE AT THE CORNER OF THE ARTICLE.
I THINK THAT WAS JUST COVERING UP THE OLD SIGN.
IS THERE A PLAN TO UPDATE THAT AND, YOU KNOW, PUT A PERMANENT SIGN IN THERE? YES, SIR.
IT'S CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED IF YOU WILL NOT ALLOWED TO, UH, EXPOSE THE SIGN.
SO YOU'RE WAITING FOR THE CONDITIONINGS PERMIT.
DOES OTHER, UH, FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OH, OWNERS WILL STAFF.
IT SEEMS LIKE WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
SO I'M GONNA OPEN FOR PUBLIC HEARING ANYONE CITY CLERK.
DO WE HAVE ANY EMAILS OR CALLS? GOOD EVENING CHAIR.
WE HAVE NO EMAILS OR PHONE CALLS REGARDING THIS PROJECT.
UM, I GUESS WE'RE GONNA, SINCE THERE'S NO ONE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THE PROJECT, WE'RE GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND OPEN FOR DISCUSSIONS, COMMISSIONERS, CHAIR, HANG I'LL GO FIRST.
IF YOU LIKE, THIS IS RED HALTS.
UH, YOU KNOW WHAT, LET ME TELL YOU THAT, UH, I THINK THIS IS AN OUTSTANDING IMPROVEMENT TO THAT CORNER.
YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT, THAT PARTICULAR STATIONS HAD, UH, TWO OR THREE DIFFERENT BRANDS OVER THE YEARS.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE DESIGN OF THIS, IT IS VERY MODERN AND VERY UPDATED.
AND I THINK IT'LL PROBABLY BE THE BEST LOOKING SERVICE STATION IN THE CITY.
I LIKE THE IDEA THAT WE'RE ADDING ANOTHER CANOPY AND MORE PUMPS.
I LIKE THAT WE'RE DOUBLING THE SIZE OF THE CONVENIENCE STORE AND WE'RE STILL UNLIKE OTHER CONVENIENCE STORE OPERATORS WITH SERVICE PUMP, WITH GAS PUMPS.
THIS STATION IS A HYBRID IS GOING TO OFFER A 800 FOOT CONVENIENCE STORE.
AND HE'S STILL GOING TO SERVICE VEHICLES, WHICH IS A BYGONE ERA THAT I'M SORRY THAT IT WENT AWAY, BUT THIS, THIS IS REALLY KIND OF BRINGING IT BACK.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE PERHAPS OTHERS CONSIDER BRINGING, YOU KNOW, SERVICE BAYS BACK INSTEAD OF RELYING ON DEALERS OR YOU KNOW, OR OTHER SHOPS.
BUT, UH, I AM, UH, THRILLED ABOUT THIS.
I THINK IT'S GONNA IMPROVE THAT, THAT CORNER OF THE AREA OF THE CITY.
AND, UM, I'M EXCITED TO GO AHEAD WITH IT.
UM, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS DISCUSSIONS? YEAH.
WELL, THE CHURCH NEXT DOOR, A GREAT IMPROVEMENT.
I THINK THAT JESSE, WHICH HAS BEEN BLIGHTED FOR YEARS AND, AND, AND I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR SEVEN UP AND REVITALIZING IT.
IT'S A CAR WASH SERVICE AND CONVENIENCE STORE AND GAS PUMPS.
I MEAN, MY GOSH, IT'S ALL RIGHT THERE ON THAT CORNER.
THIS IS A COMMISSIONER HACKERS.
I DEFINITELY WANT TO, UM, CONGRATULATE YOU FOR THE, A VERY QUALITY, UM, REDEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE.
IT'S, UM, THERE'LL BE A GREAT CREDIT TO OUR COMMUNITY WITH THE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE ADDED SERVICES
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THAT ARE GOING TO BE PROVIDED.SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU LIKE OTHER MENTORS HAVE SAID FOR YOU FOR STEPPING UP THIS PROJECT REGULATIONS.
SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A GREAT GAS STATIONS AND WE NEED THEM.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ACTION.
I'LL SECOND THAT, OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, UM, WE'LL CALL SINCE STUFF NEEDS TO READ RESOLUTION RESOLUTION NUMBER, RESOLUTION NUMBER.
THEIR RESOLUTION NUMBER FOUR, THE PRECISE PRECISE PLAN NUMBER 20 DASH ZERO THREE IS RESOLUTION NUMBER 20 DASH SIX ZERO FOUR THREE.
THEIR RESOLUTION NUMBER FOUR, THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPROVAL RESOLUTION IS RESOLUTION NUMBER 20 DASH ZERO SIX ZERO FOUR FOUR.
UM, UH, GO AHEAD AND START WITH COMMISSIONER RED HOLES.
HI, COMMISSIONER KENNEDY, COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ, CHAIR, HANG.
THIS ACTION IS FINAL UNLESS APPEALED TO THE CITY COUNCIL WITHIN 10 DAYS.
AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR IMPROVING THAT CORNER FOR US.
I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE CITY AND OBVIOUSLY MS. MARTINEZ FOR ALL THE HELP.
SHE WAS REALLY ON THE TOP OF IT AND I COULDN'T FIND IT FRIENDLIER CITY PROJECT.
AND I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 30 YEARS.
I WANT TO, I WANT TO THANK ALL THE COMMITMENTS AND THE CITY FOR HELPING ME GET THIS PROJECT DONE.
YOU GREAT TO HEAR? THANK YOU, SIR.
[NON-HEARING ITEMS 4. Study Session for Design Guidelines for Wireless Telecommunication Facilities in the Public Right-of-Way]
OKAY.OUR LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS HEARING ITEMS AND THIS IS A STUDY SESSION, UM, WHICH IS AFFECTING CITYWIDE AND IS THE DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR WIRELESS TELECOMMUNICATION FACILITIES AND THE PUBLIC WATERWAY AND WHO WILL BE DOING, WE'LL BE HERE STAFF REPORT RIGHT NOW.
SHE'S SETTING UP RIGHT NOW WITH A COMMUNITY.
SINCE WE'RE WAITING RIGHT NOW, I ALSO, LIKE, I KNOW IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT FOR, FOR ALL CITY RESIDENTS TO CONTACT US OR COME INTO THE PLANNING COMMISSIONS, UM, DUE TO OUR, DUE TO THE COVID-19.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANY OF YOU HON, TO HAVE A DISCUSSION TO WHAT HAVE YOU, ARE THEY, CAN THEY STILL CALL THEN? OR THEY HAD TO EMAIL THEM BEFORE SIX 30, SO, OKAY.
SO IF YOU NEED ALSO IN THE FUTURE, IF WE'RE DOING ZOOM, CAN THEY, WHEN THEY COME IN, DO THEY NEED TO CONTACT YOU FOR INFORMATION AS WELL, ASSISTANT CITY CLERK, WE'RE TRYING TO MANEUVER THROUGH THIS TYPE OF NEW MEETING, THROUGH THE COVID-19 AND I AM LEARNING AS WELL AS EVERYONE ELSE, AS WELL AS PROBABLY ALL RESIDENTS THAT NEEDS TO ALSO KNOW HOW TO CONTACT US.
IF THEY WANT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION THAT EVENING CHAIR, THIS IS ASSISTANT CITY CLERK, LISA SHERRICK INSTRUCTIONS FOR HOW TO PARTICIPATE IN THE MEETING ARE LISTED ON THE AGENDA.
WE DO ASK THAT RESIDENTS WHO WISH TO SUBMIT COMMENTS OR BE ON THE LINE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION DO SO BY A CERTAIN TIME THAT ALLOWS US TO BE ABLE TO LOG THEM INTO THE MEETING AND GET THEM REGISTERED WITH THE, UM, THE MEETING FUNCTION THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO THEN BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE MEETING.
SO SINCE THIS IS THE ITEM ON NUMBER THREE, ITEM ON THE AGENDA, UM, I JUST WANT TO ASK, DO THEY STILL NEED TO CALL IN BEFORE SIX 30 OR CAN THEY CALL DOING PUBLIC HEARING OR OPEN FLOW TO THE PUBLIC FOR COMMENTS SINCE WE WERE DOING A ZOOM, I'M NOT SURE HOW THIS IS GOING TO WORK.
THIS IS JUST, WE'RE GETTING A FEEL OF HOW THIS IS GOING TO GO.
IF WE WERE TO DO THIS IN THE FUTURE.
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YEAH.THEY WOULD STILL NEED TO HAVE CALLED IN SIX 30.
AND THEN THEY'D STILL NEED TO WAIT UNTIL THIS TIME TO HAVE A DISCUSSION OR THEY DO THE DISCUSSION PRIOR TO THIS AGENDA.
NO, THEY WOULD NEED TO WAIT UNTIL THIS TIME UNTIL THE ITEM.
SO EVERYONE NEEDS TO CALL AND REGARDING ANY AGENDA ITEMS TO BE ON THE ZOOM, WE'LL HAVE A DISCUSSION PRIOR TO SIX 30.
JUST LIKE IF IT WAS A COMMISSION MEETING.
UM, AND JUST TO CLARIFY THAT I, WE DO HAVE A, I BELIEVE ONE OR TWO COLORS ON THE LINE, UM, REGARDING THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, THEY HAD CONTACTED ME AHEAD OF TIME, WISHING TO PARTICIPATE ON THIS DISCUSSION AND I PROVIDED THEM WITH THE ZOOM, UM, CALL IN INFORMATION.
TRYING TO LEARN AS WELL AS EVERYONE ELSE.
SO THIS ITEM OF THE NEXT TIME AS A STUDY SESSION FOR DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR WIRELESS TELECOMMUNICATION FACILITIES IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, UM, I'LL GO AHEAD AND START OFF WITH A BIT OF A BACKGROUND.
UM, THE, THE CURRENT DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR WIRELESS TELECOMMUNICATION FACILITIES IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY WAS FIRST ADOPTED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND APRIL OF I'M SORRY, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE APRIL 20, APRIL, 2019.
UM, ON APRIL 20, 2019, I'M FOLLOWING A SUPREME, UH, THE SUPREME COURT RULING STATING THAT CITIES ARE ALLOWED TO REGULATE AESTHETICS AND ALSO FOLLOWING THE, THE FCC ORDER.
THEN ON JULY 23RD, 2019 FIVE ADMINISTRATIVE USE PERMIT APPLICATIONS FOR SMALL WIRELESS FACILITIES IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY WAS SUBMITTED.
AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD APPROVED, UM, HAD REVIEWED THIS APPLICATION AND, AND APPROVED THE AUPS, UM, IN THIS, UH, THIS DECISION WAS APPEALED TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND AUGUST 5TH, 2019, THE CITY COUNCIL VOTED TO OVERTURN THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION AND DENIED THOSE AEP APPLICATIONS.
UM, AT, AT THAT TIME WHEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION REVIEWED THE AP APPLICATIONS, KEEP IN MIND THAT THE DESIGN GUIDELINES WERE APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT WERE NOT REVIEWED OR APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
UM, AND THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, WHEN WE DO, UM, COME RE REVISE THE DESIGN GUIDELINES, IT WOULD GO, THE PLAN IS TO GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FIRST AND ALSO GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL AFTERWARDS.
UM, SO THAT WOULD AVOID ANY, UM, IT, IT, UM, ANY MISUNDERSTANDINGS OR ANY SO THAT IT WOULD CLARIFY THAT, THAT WHATEVER WE HAVE DOCUMENTED THAT WE'RE PROVIDING POTENTIAL APPLICANTS IS WHAT THE HEARING BODY HAS APPROVED AND REVIEWED.
AND ON NOVEMBER, 2026, 2019, AND ALSO JANUARY 28, 2020, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HELD PUBLIC HEARINGS REGARDING, UH, CODE AMENDMENTS, ADDRESSING WIRELESS FACILITIES IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, THE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED THE ITEM AND RECOMMENDED THAT CITY COUNCIL APPROVE THE CODE AMENDMENT.
THE CODE AMENDMENT WAS THEN REVIEWED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
UM, AND THE ORDINANCE WAS ADOPTED IN MAY, 2020, AND PART OF THAT AMENDMENTS, UM, AND PART OF PROCESSING WIRELESS FACILITIES IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY IS ALSO TO THE SECOND PART WOULD BE TO ADOPT OR REVISE THE DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, SO THAT IT'S CONSISTENT WITH, WITH THE NEWLY ADOPTED CODE.
SO IF, IF ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY COMMENTS AND I'LL GO AHEAD AND ASK FOR FEEDBACK AS WELL, UM, FEEL FREE TO SPEAK OR VOICE YOUR OPINIONS.
THIS, UM, INVEST IN THE STAFF REPORT ARE PART OF THE, AS AN ATTACHMENT TO THE STAFF REPORT.
UM, STAFF, UM, PROVIDED THE SAMPLE DESIGN REVIEW GUIDELINES FROM THE CITIES OF OMANI, COSA MESA AND SAN DEMAS.
UM, THE CITY OF ELMANI DESIGN GUIDELINES HA HA LEGAL, VERY HELPFUL BECAUSE IT HAS PHOTOGRAPHS AND EXAMPLES OF CERTAIN THINGS THAT THEY ARE
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WILLING TO APPROVE AND CONSIDER.UM, COSTA MESA DESIGN GUIDELINE HAS A LIST OF PREFERENCES.
UM, WHILE THE CITY OF SAN DEMAS HAS DESIGN GUIDELINES IS A LITTLE BIT SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE, WHICH IS JUST A PAGE THAT IS MORE SIMPLE AND STRAIGHTFORWARD.
UM, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO ADOPT A FORMAT WHERE IT'S STILL SIMPLE AND STRAIGHTFORWARD, BUT AT THE SAME TIME PROVIDE PHOTOGRAPHS OF EXAMPLES THAT STAFF OR THAT THE COMMISSION OR STAFF IS WILLING TO APPROVE.
UM, AS FAR AS, UM, FORMAT IS CONCERNED, AS A PLANNING COMMISSION HAS HAVE A SPECIFIC FORMAT IN MIND REGARDING A DESIGN GUIDE, A DESIGN GUIDELINE, THIS IS RED HALT.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? FORMAT? YES.
UM, SO YOU PREFER A SIMPLE ONE PAGE.
I PREFER A VERY, VERY SIMPLE, OKAY, BECAUSE WHEN YOU START GETTING INTO THE WEEDS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YOU RUN INTO, YOU RUN INTO SOME TROUBLE AS LONG AS IT'S SIMPLE, UNDERSTANDABLE, AND DIRECT, AND THE PUBLIC AND, AND, AND THE APPLICANTS OR VENDORS CAN UNDERSTAND IT.
IT MAKES EVERYBODY'S JOB A LOT EASIER.
I THINK THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY SINCE IT'S A STUDY SESSIONS TO LOOK AT ALL THE GUIDELINES AND TO LOOK AT ALSO WHAT WE CAN DO FOR BEST FALL CITY.
UM, BESIDES THE SIMPLICITY, WE ALSO NEED TO HOPEFULLY, UM, SINCE IT'S AFFECTING THE ENTIRE POPULATIONS OF WEST COVINA RESIDENTS, MAINLY PROBABLY OVER 30,000 RESIDENTS AND MORE BUSINESSES COMMERCIAL AREA.
SO WE SHOULD LOOK AT ALL WHAT AT LEAST SOME OF THE BEST GUIDELINES THAT THEY HAVE, AND HOPEFULLY ADAPT TO, WE CAN PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT TYPE OF GUIDELINES THAT WE CAN WORK WITH AS WELL.
I THINK THE COMBINATIONS OF WHAT THEY HAVE AND WHAT WE CAN ALSO COME UP WITH AS WELL.
OKAY, WE'LL GO OVER THE, THE CONTENT, UM, IN THE NEXT FEW SLIDES, BUT AS FAR AS, UM, RIGHT NOW WE'RE DISCUSSING, WE'RE DISCUSSING THE FORMAT, UM, W UM, COMMISSIONER RED HOLD STATED THAT HE PREFERS A SIMPLE FORMAT TO DO ANY OF THE PLANNING, COMMISSIONERS AGREE THAT A SIMPLE FORMAT IS DESIRABLE OR YEAH.
NORMALLY AGREED A SIMPLE, SIMPLE FORMAT AS POSSIBLE, BUT THEY'D THINK THE COSTA MESA ONE IS MORE DETAILED RELATED.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT A LIGHT POLE IS ONE THING, AND THEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT LIKE A TREES AND LANDSCAPING AREA IS ANOTHER THING.
AND THEN THERE'S ALSO DIFFERENT AREAS FOR ANTENNAS ON TOP OF BUILDINGS, HOW IT SHOULD THAT.
SO THEY KIND OF COVER EVERY LITTLE, I MEAN, NOT EVERY LITTLE ASPECT, BUT MOST OF THE PRODUCTS OR WHAT'S, WHAT, WHAT CAN THESE THINGS BE INSTALLED ON? UM, I THINK ACCOMP, LIKE I SAID, A COMBINATION MIGHT BE BEST.
AT LEAST WE'RE, WE'RE DOING A STUDY RIGHT NOW, SO WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT VERSUS WE CAN'T BLANKET JUST EVERYTHING ON A LIGHT POLE.
CAUSE SOME AREA MAY NOT HAVE A LIGHT POLE OR A TELEPHONE POLE.
IT MAY BE ON TOP OF A BUILDING.
HOW DO WE HANDLE THAT VERSUS ON TOP OF A SIGNS, HOW DO WE HANDLE PORTION, UM, OVERALL HEIGHTS AND A DIFFERENT AREA, WHETHER IT'S, UM, TELEPHONE POLES OR WHETHER IT'S ON TOP OF A BUILDING, SHOULD IT STICK OUT, YOU KNOW, 20, 30 FEET OR ONLY FIVE OR 10 FEET FROM A BUILDING? SO THESE ARE, UM, I THINK IF WE LOOK AT IT ALSO NEED TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE, IT'S A STUDY SESSION, SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, UH, TONIGHT DONE DEAL TYPE OF THING.
WE CAN CONTINUE THIS AS WELL, BUT AT LEAST WE HAVE A DISCUSSION TALK ABOUT IT, TO SEE WHERE, AND WHAT'S BEST FOR ALL CITY AT A DIFFERENT AREA AND DIFFERENT, WHETHER IT'S FOR BUILDINGS, SIGNAGE, LIKE PROMOS, LAMP POLES, TELEPHONE POLES, UM, THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT.
AND HOPEFULLY WHEN WE OPEN THE DISCUSSION TO THE PUBLIC FOR COMMENTS, IT'S DIFFICULT, THE COVID-19, BUT AS WE WORK THROUGH IT, AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT IS
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VERY, BECAUSE IT AFFECTS EVERYONE, NOT ONLY COMMERCIAL AREA AND HOW IT LOOKS AND ALL THAT.AND WE DO LIKE, WELL, AT LEAST I LIKE TO GET, I LIKE TO GET PEOPLE, UM, RESIDENTS TO GET INVOLVED, WHETHER IT'S COMMERCIALS, RESIDENTIALS, OR BUSINESS OWNERS, UM, APARTMENT BUILDINGS, OR WHAT HAVE YOU, AND SEE WHAT WE CAN COME UP WITH THE BEST IDEAS, EVERYONE.
THIS IS RED HOLDS IN, IN LOOKING AT, AT LEAST AT SAN DEMAS.
I DON'T SEE ANYTHING WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT PUTTING THESE THINGS ON A BUILDING OR A STRUCTURE.
IT SEEMS TO ALL BE RELATED TO, YOU KNOW, SOME KIND OF POWER POLE.
AM I MISSING SOMETHING THERE? UM, HOLD ON.
SO FIRST SANDY MISSES AND WITH OUR CURRENT DESIGN GUIDELINES, UM, WE'RE LOOKING, UM, THE WAY IT'S FOCUSED IT, THE WAY IT'S RAN, IT'S FOCUSING ON SMALL WIRELESS FACILITIES IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
HOWEVER, UM, THE, THE DESIGN GUIDELINES SHOULD BE MORE IN DEPTH, UM, BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER WIRELESS FACILITIES IN THE PUBLIC, RIGHT.
THERE ARE ALSO OTHER FACILITIES, WIRELESS FACILITIES THAT CAN BE PUT IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY THAT ARE NOT SMALL SMALL CELL SITES.
UM, THERE, THE LOCATION MAY BE VERY LIMITED, UM, BECAUSE THESE SITES REQUIRE MORE ROOM AND SPACE.
UM, BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S, UM, TOTALLY.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THAT IS PROHIBITED FROM BEING SUBMITTED.
SO THIS IS FAR BEYOND SMALL WIRELESS.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE BUILDINGS, UM, THAT, THAT IS IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT WAY, BUT WE DO HAVE BUILDINGS THAT ARE IN CITY CITY PROPERTY, BUT THAT WOULD NOT BE, I DON'T BELIEVE WOULD BE COVERED UNDER THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE.
UM, BUT THERE ARE STRUCTURES, UM, OTHER THAN LIGHT POLES THAT ARE IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY THAT CERTAIN ANTENNAS CAN BE ATTACHED TO AS WELL.
UM, AND LATER ON IN THE PRESENTATION, I'LL GO AHEAD AND SHOW PHOTOGRAPHS OF, OF CERTAIN, UM, EXAMPLES OF THOSE LIGHT POLES OR, OR THE, UM, POLES OR JUST WIRELESS FACILITIES IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY IN GENERAL.
UM, BUT THE THOUGHT WAS IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WANTS A S LIKE A SIMPLER FORMAT, WE HAVE B WOULD HAVE, UM, LIKE A PAGE FOUR FOR EACH TYPE OF, OF, UM, FACILITY, WHETHER IT'S A, A PAGE FOR SMALL WIRELESS SITES OR, OR A PAGE OR TWO FOR, FOR, UM, UH, A WHILE, UM, UH, WIRELESS FOR THE COMMUNITY EDUCATION FACILITY.
THAT'S NOT A SMALL, A SMALL WIRELESS SITE.
AND ALSO, UM, THERE IS IN COMMISSION, UM, CHAIRMAN, UM, CHAIR, I'M SORRY, CHAIR, WOMAN.
UM, HANG MENTIONED THAT, THAT, UM, COSTA MESA HAS GUIDELINES AND IN COSTA MESA'S GUIDELINES, THEY HA THEY THEY'RE PROVIDING A LIST OF PREFERENCES, UM, FOR A CERTAIN, UM, FOR, UM, PERIMETER PARAMETERS, UM, OR DESIGN THERE'S A PLANNING COMMISSION WISH TO PROVIDE PREFERENCES AS WELL IN THE DESIGN GUIDELINES.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM ALL THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS REGARDING THIS, THIS IS COMMISSIONER HOCKEY.
I WAS JUST TO CLARIFY YOUR QUESTION, UH, PREFERENCES, AND ALSO IN TERMS OF ORDER YES, YES.
YOU NEED A BORDER PREFERENCES.
UM, SO THAT IT'S, UM, THAT IT, UM, CAN, YOU KNOW, PROGRESS LOGICALLY TO WHAT, UM, IS AVAILABLE OUT THERE.
I THINK THAT IT'S REALLY GOOD TO LOOK AT BECAUSE THERE'S AN AREA THAT WE HAD REALLY BUSY STREETS VERSUS A CERTAIN AREA THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, TH TH THE STREETS AND THE PREFERENCE, IF WE WERE TO LET ALL VENDORS KNOW THAT WHAT TYPE OF PREFERENCES WE HAVE, THAT WOULD BE GREAT AS WELL.
SO, AND THEN ALSO I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THESE ARE A MONTE COSTA MESA, SAN DEMAS, SINCE THIS IS A STUDY SESSION, WE ARE NOT LIMITED TO ONLY THOSE THREE CITIES.
SO IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT YOU LIKE TO ADD, DELETE, OR, YOU KNOW, TALKED ABOUT, YOU CAN ALSO BRING IN AS WELL.
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WITH FUTURE, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSIONS WITH ALL RESIDENTS.AND, YOU KNOW, I LIKE TO TALK A LOT ABOUT RESIDENTS.
I'M A PART OF THE REASON IS BEING IN COMMERCIALS.
WELL, THIS IS AFFECTING ALL RESIDENTS AREA.
AND ALSO WHETHER IT'S A FRONT YARD BACK YARD, SIDE YARD, OR COMMERCIAL BUILDING AREA AS WELL.
UM, IF, YOU KNOW, IT'S IMPORTANT TO INVOLVE ALL THE PEOPLE THAT WILL BE INVOLVED, AND THIS IS AFFECTING THEM, NOT ONLY, UM, YOU KNOW, YES, BECAUSE OF COVID-19 AND YES, THEY'RE NOT HERE MOST OF THE TIME, BUT THIS IS, THIS CODE WILL BE HERE FOREVER.
IF WE DON'T MAKE CHANGES THAT OFTEN IT COULD BE ANOTHER 25 YEARS BEFORE THAT HAPPENED AGAIN.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION OF THE CHAIR, WHAT YOU JUST SAID FRONT YARD, BACK YARD, SIDE YARD.
WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS THAT A REFERENCE TO, UM, OH, I'M MORE OFFENSIVE.
UM, PUBLIC PARK, PUBLIC WIDER WAYS.
SOME, SOME RESIDENTS HAVE AN ALLEY AND I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH A PUBLIC WIDE AWAY THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, TRADITIONALLY LAND USE.
UM, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FOR EVERYONE IN TERMS OF YOUR LOT SIZE AND WHERE YOU'RE AT AND WHERE THE PUBLIC WIDE WAYS MOST ARE LOCATED MOST ARE LOCATED IN THE FRONT, BUT SOME HAS ALSO SY, UH, PUBLIC WIDE AWAY.
IF YOU ARE A CORNER LOT, AND SOME HAD THREE CORNERS, IF YOU ARE HIT WITH THE FRONT, THE SIZE, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, AND THEN ALSO THE BACK WITH, UM, WITH, WITH, UM, A DRIVE A DRIVEWAY, I'VE SEEN SOME IN WEST COVINA, BUT NOT THERE'S SOME POCKET AREA.
I'M JUST, I'M JUST, I'M JUST SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE DESIGNING THIS IN WHICH IT'S AFFECTING ALL CITY AND ALL LAND USE, WE ALSO NEED TO TAKE A LOOK, IT'S A STUDY SESSION.
SO WE TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT WE CAN'T AND WHAT WILL, WHAT WILL EVERYONE BE AFFECTED? AND WHETHER, CAUSE YOU KNOW, GLEN KENNEDY'S HOME MAY NOT BE THE SAME AS IN TERMS OF LOT SITUATION AS YOURS COMMISSIONER RED HOLDS VERSUS FROM EVERYBODY.
SO THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
AND THEN PUBLIC WATERWAYS, IT'S INTERESTING HOW TRADITIONALLY PUBLIC WATERWAY IS BETWEEN THE LAND OF WHERE YOUR FRONT YARD IS AND BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK SOMETIME IT'S IT'S, UM, THERE ARE TWO AREA, YOU HAVE THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY, YOU HAVE THE SIDEWALK THEN PUBLIC WIRE, RIGHT? THEN YOU A LOT STARTS.
SO EVERYONE HAS A LITTLE BIT OF DIFFERENT.
SOME DON'T HAVE A SIDEWALK AT ALL, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE PUBLIC WIDE AWAY IS NOT THERE.
THE SIDEWALK'S NOT BUILT YET AS OF DATE.
AND, AND, AND WE GOT IN PUBLIC WATERWAYS, LIKE CITY LAND, CITY OWNED LAND IS THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY TOO.
CAUSE CITY DO OWN QUITE A BIT OF LAND AS WELL.
SO WHEN WE'RE MAKING THESE DESIGN GUIDELINES OR STUDY SESSIONS, IT'S EFFECTING A HUNDRED PERCENT OF LAND USES IN THE CITY OF WEST COVINA.
SO WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, LOOK INTO IT, STUDY IT.
I'M SURE THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE THE FIRST TIME WE HAVE A DISCUSSION.
WE TALK ABOUT IT AND WE CAN BRING IT BACK AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN INVOLVE MORE RESIDENTS OR WHO KNOWS.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR A WHILE NOW.
I'M READY FOR JOANNE TO CONTINUE.
I HEARD, I DIDN'T HEAR FROM COMMISSIONER RED HOLDS REGARDING THE ORDER OF PREFERENCE LIST AND ALSO COMMISSIONER KENNEDY REGARDING THE ORDER OF PREFERENCE LIST, ORDER OF PREFERENCE BY CITY.
YOU MEAN, I MEAN, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED.
UM, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, UM, THE, UM, IN, IF YOU CAN REFER BACK TO THE COSTA MESA DESIGN GUIDELINES, THEY HAVE AN ORDER OF PREFERENCE.
LIKE FOR INSTANCE, THEY PREFER IT NOT TO BE IN RESIDENTIAL, NEAR IN RESIDENTIAL, IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA THAT THEY PREFER IT TO BE FIRST IN COMMERCIAL AREAS, UM, IN RESIDENTIAL WOULD BE LAST, UM, IN THEIR PREFERENCE LIST.
BUT, UM, SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT IN IT, I'M TRYING TO FIND, I HAVE A STRETCH OF THE FREEWAY.
UM, YOU CAN HAVE A LOT OF IT LOCATED CLOSER TO THE FREEWAY AREA VERSUS THAT'S MORE ALSO COMMERCIAL AREAS AS WELL.
AND ALSO THE BIGGER STREET, WHERE'S THIS A SMALLER STREETS.
I MEAN, THESE ARE THINGS THAT ARE SAY, THIS IS A STUDY SESSION, SO WE CAN'T COME UP WITH THESE RULES AND REGULATIONS FALL ON CITY.
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WHEN, UM, DID YOU, AND YOU MENTIONED, YOU WERE ASKING OUR THOUGHTS ON, UH, OR HAVING SAID THAT YOU MET FOR TYPE OF INSTALLATION.IT'S JUST THAT THE, UM, WHAT I MEANT WAS JUST THE, THE, UM, THE FORMAT IN ITSELF.
IT'S, UM, IT'S NOT, UM, IT'S NOT THE CONTENT JUST WE'RE, WE'RE STARTING WITH FORMAT RIGHT NOW.
FOR EXAMPLE, I THINK IT'S ATTACHMENT NUMBER FIVE.
IT'S ATTACHMENT NUMBER FIVE, FOR EXAMPLE, I GUESS ONE OF THE ITEMS WOULD BE LIKE, FINE.
LIKE IF IT'S IN COMMERCIAL AREA OR ANY AREA, UM, SHE PUT THIS ON EXISTING, YOU KNOW, EXISTING VERSUS BUILDING A NEW ONE PHONE, TELEPHONE POLES OR LIGHT POLES.
THE WAY THEY'RE REFERRING TO HIM IN THE COSTA MESA IS, IS THE HIGHER THEY THEY'RE CALLING IT HIERARCHY.
UM, THERE'S THAT'S NUMBER TWO.
SO FOR INSTANCE, ON THE FIRST ONE THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE, UM, THE SUPPORT STRUCTURE HIERARCHY.
THEY PREFER IT TO BE ON EXISTING OR NEW REPLACEMENT LIGHT STANDARDS.
AND THEN THEIR SECOND CHOICE WOULD BE EXISTING OR REPLACEMENT CITY TRAFFIC SITE, TRAFFIC SIGN POLLS, AND THEIR THIRD, THEIR LAST PREFERENCE WOULD BE, UM, ANY OTHER TYPE OF POLE THAT THE TR THAT THE DIRECTOR DETERMINES MEETS THE PURPOSE OF THE GUIDELINES.
SO IT'S JUST THE, THE FORMAT TO PROVIDE, UM, FOR THE CITY.
DOES IT, UM, DOES THE COMMISSION WANT, WOULD, WOULD THE COMMISSION LIKE TO FORMAT IT IN A WAY THAT PROVIDES A HIERARCHY OF PREFERENCES? I AGREE WITH COSTA MESA.
UM, COMMISSIONER KENNEDY, I DON'T KNOW.
I GUESS I COULD GO ALONG WITH COSTA MESA TOO.
OKAY, I'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
UM, ON THE NEXT SLIDE THERE'S, UM, WE HAVE, I GUESS, A SUMMARIZED VERSION OF THE CITY'S EXISTING DESIGN GUIDELINES, WHICH IS ACTUALLY IN ONE OF THE ATTACHMENTS.
UM, BUT IN THE CITY'S DESIGN GUIDELINES, WE HAVE A, UM, A DEPICTION OF WHAT WOULD BE, WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE REVIEWED ADMINISTRATIVELY IN WHAT WOULD REQUIRE A DISCRETIONARY APPLICATION.
UM, AND, AND, UM, ABOVE THAT IN THE DESIGN GUIDELINES, THERE ARE TEXTS, UH, DESCRIBING EACH, UM, ITEM IN THE FIRST ITEM IS LOCATION, AND WE, WE WOULD HAVE TO DELETE THE LOCATION AND THE DESIGN GUIDELINES BECAUSE THE LOCATION, AS FAR AS DISTANCE FROM RESIDENTIAL IS CONCERNED IS ALREADY, UM, IN THE CODE.
THE EXACT DISTANCE FROM RESIDENTIAL IS ALREADY IN THE, THE ADOPTED, UH, MUNICIPAL CODE.
SO, UM, WE WOULD HAVE TO DELETE THE 100 FEET FROM RESIDENTIAL.
HOWEVER, HOWEVER, UM, THE, SINCE, UH, WE, WE HAD DETERMINED THAT THE COMMISSION PREFERS AN ORDER OF HIERARCHY.
WE CAN INCLUDE, UM, THE COM IF THE COMMISSION DECIDE DESIRES CAN INCLUDE IT BEING ON RESIDENTIAL LOCATION, UM, FOR HIERARCHY AS WELL.
AND IT BEING IT BEING UNDER RE RESIDENTIAL, BE THE LEAST PREFERRED.
UM, HOWEVER, WITH THIS, UM, THE, UM, THE TELECOMMUNICATION PROVIDERS, UM, WILL LIKELY, UM, PLACE OR PROPOSE TO PLACE WIRELESS FACILITIES IN AN AREA WHERE IT'S NEEDED.
AND AT TIMES, RELOCATING IN, IN RESIDENTIAL, IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS IS NOT AVOIDABLE.
UM, THE SECOND, THE SECOND POINT, UM, REGARDING THE EXISTING DESIGN GUIDELINES IS THE FACILITY AND SUPPORT EQUIPMENT.
UH, THE EXISTING DESIGN GUIDELINES STATES THAT, UM, WE'RE, UM, WE WOULD LIKE IT, UM, TO BE MADE OF AGRICUL AGGREGATE, OR CONCRETE TO MATCH ALL EXISTING LIGHT POLES IN THE AREA FOR CONSISTENCY.
UM, AND THE SECOND POINT IN, OR THE THIRD POINT IN THE EXISTING DESIGN GUIDELINES IS TO BE, UM, SO THAT,
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UM, THE SHROUD WOULD BE, UM, ALL EQUIPMENT WOULD BE ENCLOSED WITH IT WITHIN THE SHROUD AT A RANGE, UM, IN THE POLE, THE SIZE OF THE POLE WILL, UM, WILL BE, UH, IN THE SHROUD WILL BE AT A ONE TO ONE RATIO SO THAT THE DIAMETER OF THE POLE AND THE DIAMETER OF THE SHROUD WILL BE ALL ALMOST SIMILAR.UM, AND THEN THE SET, THE NEXT ITEM IS THE INTENDANT SURE.
ON FACILITY AND SUPPORT EQUIPMENT, IS THIS WHERE WE SHOULD PUT A UNDERGROUNDING OF EQUIPMENT, SHOULD THAT BE IN THERE BECAUSE IT'S NOT THERE NOW REQUIRE THAT, UM, THIS ONE, THE MORE I'VE STUDIED THIS, AND THE MORE I'VE LOOKED AT THIS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I AM LOOKING FOR AN AS AN WHAT'S THE WORD INNOCUOUS PULL DESIGN, AND AS UNOBTRUSIVE AND UNIMPACTFUL TO A NEIGHBORHOOD AS POSSIBLE.
AND, YOU KNOW, TO ME, I DON'T WANT ANYTHING STICKING OUT.
I, YOU KNOW, I WANT THAT, THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE EQUIPMENT SUPPORT EQUIPMENT TO BE UNDERGROUND, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, 99.9, 9% OF THE TIME, IF NOT A HUNDRED.
AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE PART OF THAT.
WE CAN ADDRESS THAT IN THE, IN THE DESIGN GUIDELINES, UM, REVISION.
SO BASICALLY ALL THE, ALL THE EQUIPMENTS AND ALL, UM, HAS, HAS TO BE UNDERGROUND, BASICALLY.
UM, BUT THERE ARE CERTAIN INSTANCES WHERE UNDERGROUNDING, UM, OF EQUIPMENT IS NOT POSSIBLE.
LIKE FOR INSTANCE, IF THEY'RE PUTTING IN A NEW POLE, UM, AND IT REQUIRES METERING, UH, UH, THE, THE METERING, THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT THE MIRROR METERING CANNOT BE PLACED UNDERGROUND, METERING CAN BE PLACED UNDERGROUND.
I'VE SEEN GAS, METERS UNDERGROUND, I'VE SEEN FACILITY ELECTRICAL.
SO I MAY BE, CAN BE, CAN CALL EDISON'S TO SEE METERS, YOU KNOW, CAN BE UNDERGROUND AS WELL.
WE'LL FIND OUT FROM THE EXPERTS BASICALLY.
BUT THAT IS, I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THAT THAT IS A POSSIBILITY THAT UNDERGROUND NOT BE ACCOMPLISHED.
UM, AND THE NEXT ITEM IS LET'S SEE, UM, NARROW, VERTICAL ALIGNMENT OR, UM, THE ANTENNAS IN OUR USE.
SO THE ANTENNAS WOULD HAVE TO BE CONTAINED WITHIN A SHROUD, UM, IN ATTACHED TO, TO THE TOP OF A POLE OR A LIGHT POLE AND JOANNE, I'M SORRY, WHERE ARE YOU READING FROM? OH, THE DESIGN GUIDELINES, WHICH SHOULD IS ON YES.
WHICH IS THE DETACHMENT, THE PAGE BEFORE ATTACHMENT NUMBER TWO, THAT TOUCH WENT NUTS.
FIND ATTACHMENT TO IT'S THE ONE NEXT TO IT ON THE LEFT.
I'M TRYING TO FIND THEM ACTUALLY IT'S ATTACHED YET.
IT'S ATTACHMENT NUMBER ONE BEHIND EXHIBIT A, IF YOU LOOK AT EXHIBIT EIGHT, TURN THAT THERE IT'S PRINTED ON BEHIND EXHIBIT A, WHICH HAS LEFT.
THE PAGE BEHIND EXHIBIT EIGHT, BE FOR ATTACHMENT NUMBER TWO, PUT YOUR PHONE.
SO YEAH, SO, UH, IN, IN AN EXISTING DESIGN GUIDELINES WHERE DISCOURAGING ARE USED TO BE ATTACHED TO THE SIDE OF THE POLE, UM, AND AS FAR AS WIRELESS WIRES AND CABLES, UM, EXISTING DESIGN GUIDELINES STATES THAT IT SHOULD BE WITHIN THE, IN THE SHROUD OR THE RUN INSIDE THE POLE.
UM, AS FAR AS SIGNAGE, IT'S LIMITED TO THE MINIMUM REQUIRED BY THE GOVERNMENT IN ELECTRICAL UTILITY REGULATIONS.
AND IT SHOULD BE THE LEAST THE SMALLEST AND LEAST VISIBLE AS POSSIBLE.
UM, AS FAR AS THE CONSTRUCTION APPROACH, UM, SEPARATE FREESTANDING METERS AND PET A CAT, A SOUL SHALL NOT BE USED.
METER RINGS SHOULD BE RE WIRELESS WHEN POSSIBLE AND UNDERGROUND.
IF WIRELESS METERING IS INFEASIBLE.
AND AS FAR AS THE HEIGHT IS CONCERNED, THE, THE, UM, THE EXISTING, THE DESIGN GUIDELINES LIMITS THE HEIGHT TO 35 FEET.
HOWEVER, IN THE ORDINANCE, UM, A HEIGHT RESTRICTION HAS BEEN PLACED IN THE ORDINANCE.
SO THAT HEIGHT, HEIGHT RESTRICTION IS BASICALLY NO HIGHER THAN NO, NO HIGHER
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THAN FIVE FEET ABOVE THE HEIGHTS OF EXISTING POLES WITHIN THE AREA.SO IT'S NOT LIMITED 35 FEET, BUT IT'S LIMITED TO NO HIGHER THAN FIVE FEET ABOVE THE, THE HEIGHT OF EXISTING POLES WITHIN THE GENERAL AREA.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE FIVE FEET SEEMS PRETTY HIGH.
CAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE POLE, THE EXISTING LAMPPOSTS, OR WHAT HAVE YOU, UM, THE, THE HEIGHT OF THAT PARTICULAR ONE IS NO MORE.
IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT BEFORE THE LIGHT, THE LAMP COMES OUT VERSUS FIVE FEET SEEMS PRETTY HIGH.
SO I LIKE TO BE DOING THAT TOO.
UM, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S AN A IN THE CODE THAT'S ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
AND SO THE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO REDUCE THAT WITHOUT AMENDING, WITHOUT AMENDING THE EXISTING CODE.
SO WE RUSHED THROUGH THE CODE RIGHT NOW.
WE HAVE TO GO BACKWARDS JUST TO MAKE THAT AMENDMENT VERSUS THE HEIGHTS.
IT'S BASICALLY PRETTY HIGH UP THERE.
I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING LOCATIONS.
DO YOU KNOW, SAY LOCATED A HUNDRED FOOT AWAY FROM PROPERTIES USED FOR RESIDENTIAL PURPOSE? SOME CITY HAS 300 FEET OR SO SOME, A LITTLE BIT MORE LIKE A HUNDRED FOOT.
NO, BECAUSE IN THE CURRENT, IN THE CURRENT CODE, IT, UM, THE CODE IT'S SPEC, IF SPECIFICALLY STATES HOW FAR WIRELESS FACILITIES CAN BE FROM RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT THAT IS? UM, IN, BECAUSE IN THE DESIGN GUIDELINES OVER HERE, SOME OF THE CITY, ALSO SOME SET 300 FEET OF ANY RESIDENTIAL USE OR SCHOOL SUNSET, I DON'T KNOW, 700 FEET OR SO THERE'S SO MANY DOCUMENTS I'VE BEEN READING.
SO IT W UM, I BELIEVE IT'S, IT DEPENDS ON THE AREA.
IT WAS ANYWHERE FROM, I BELIEVE, 30 FEET FROM, FROM RESIDENTIAL, UM, STRUCTURES TO, TO FIT, UM, FOR I'M SORRY, ANYWHERE FROM 15 FEET TO 30 FEET, DEPENDING ON THE ZONING.
SO SAN DIMAS HAS 300 FEET FROM RESIDENTIAL AREA, OR, OR, UM, WITHIN 300 FEET OF ANY RESIDENTIAL USE OF SCHOOL IN SOME OTHER CITY HAS 700 FEET, BUT WE HAVE 15 OR 30, UM, KEEP IN MIND THAT THE DESIGN GUIDELINES FROM OTHER CITIES DOESN'T NECESSARILY, UM, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT THEY CANNOT PUT IT WITHIN, LIKE, LET'S SAY A HUNDRED FEET OR 300 FEET FROM RESIDENTIAL.
IT THAT'S, THAT'S A REVIEW TRIGGER.
SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF WE VIEW TRIGGER, IS THAT GREAT? NOW THIS ONE, EVERYTHING TRIGGERS, EVERYTHING DOES NOT.
AND THEN ALSO, IS THERE LIMITATIONS ON HOW MANY YOU CAN PUT IN FRONT OF LIKE THE DISTANCE OF THESE FACILITIES FROM ONE ANOTHER? CAUSE SOME OF THE CITY REQUIRES, I DUNNO, 700 FEET AWAY FROM ANOTHER FACILITY, OR CAN WE PUT IN OUR CURRENT YEAH.
IN THE CODE, UM, IT'S IT'S AS 500 FEET.
SO BASICALLY, UM, THE WAY THE CODE IS WRITTEN, IF IT'S, IF IT'S THAT'S, THE RE IN 500 FEET IS THE REVIEW TRIGGER.
SO IF, IF ANOTHER, IF YOU'RE PROPOSING A, A WIRELESS FACILITY OR, UH, A PACKET, UM, A PACKET THAT INCLUDES WIRELESS FACILITIES THAT THAT'S AT LEAST THAT THAT'S CLOSER THAN 500 FEET AWAY FROM EACH OTHER, THEN IT WOULD AUTOMATICALLY BE A MAJOR, UM, WIRELESS FACILITY APPLICATION.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A MINOR ONE.
SO IT'LL AUTOMATICALLY REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING.
THAT'S A REVIEW TRIGGER OR THRESHOLD IN, IN THE CODE CAN BACK TO THE SECOND ITEM AFTER LOCATION, IT HAS FACILITY AND SUPPORT EQUIPMENT.
UM, I BELIEVE FACILITY SHALL BE PROPOSED AT AN EXISTING AGGREGATE LIGHT POLES.
AB PLACEMENT LIGHT POLE SHOULD BE NO MORE THAN THREE FEET FROM THE EXISTING POLE LOCATION.
SO WILL THERE BE TWO POLE? NO.
THE, UM, SO THAT THE WAY, THE WAY, UM, THESE WIRELESS FACILITIES OR CON, UM, ARE CONSTRUCTED IS THEY CAN'T, UM, I GUESS IN A PERIOD OF TIME, IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, THERE WILL BE TWO POLES BECAUSE THE, THE FIRST POLE, THE EXISTING POLE CANNOT BE REMOVED UNTIL THE REPLACEMENT POLL IS CONSTRUCTED TEMPORARY.
AND THEN ALSO, ALSO WE GOT INTO DIAMETERS BECAUSE MOST OF OUR LIGHT POLES OR TELEPHONE POLE IS NOT
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16 INCHES.MOST OF THEM ARE EITHER FOUR LIGHT POLES IS EIGHT INCHES OR SO IT JUST MUCH SMALLER VERSUS A TELEPHONE POLE.
IT'S ABOUT 12 INCHES, BUT THIS ONE IS, IS 16 INCHES.
SO IT'S PRETTY, IT'S PRETTY HUGE.
SO CAN WE TEMPORARY REDUCE OR TALK ABOUT REDUCING THAT SIZE TO MATCH WHAT THE EXISTING OR ONE-TO-ONE, WHATEVER THAT STREET, BECAUSE WE SPEND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS HAVING THOSE SNAP POLLS YEARS AGO, DESIGN AND A CERTAIN DESIGN AND, UM, TO SEE, TO MAKE, TRY TO MAKE IT LOOK THE SAME TERRIBLE.
THERE ARE CALLERS THAT ARE IN THE WIRELESS TELECOMMUNICATION BUSINESS.
AND IT'S BEST IF THE ADDRESS THAT QUESTION, BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE.
UM, IF THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO PROVE IF THERE IS ANY WAY EQUIPMENT, UM, OR COULDN'T BE PROVIDED WHERE THE, THE, THE DIAMETER OF THE POLE, UM, IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE DIAMETER OF THE EXISTING POLES IN THE AREA, THEY MIGHT, THEY MAY, THEY MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO, TO DO THAT.
THIS IS, I'M JUST READING WHERE SAN DEMAS.
IT ALSO IS A MAXIMUM OF 16 INCHES.
THIS IS A VERY GOOD DISCUSSION.
THIS IS AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
SO BEFORE WE FORGET, WE MIGHT WANT TO JUST OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
SO HIS STUFF, UM, WELL, ARE WE STILL HEARING STAFF REPORT? I DO.
I'M S THERE'S STILL A FEW MORE SLIDES.
SO, UM, S AS FAR AS THE DESIGN GUIDELINES ARE CONCERNED, THE EXISTING ONES, I, I BELIEVE I WENT OVER EVERY SINGLE POINT, BUT WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GO BACK TO THAT LATER, LATER ON WHEN, WHEN THE MEETING, UM, IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT I'LL GO AHEAD AND SHOW THE EXAMPLES OF, OF PHOTOGRAPHS THAT I HAVE COMPILED.
SO THESE ARE DIFFERENT EXAMPLES OF VARIOUS, UM, WIRELESS, SMALL WIRELESS FACILITIES.
SOME I'VE TAKEN MYSELF WHILE PASSING BY, AND I'VE NOTICED THAT I STOPPED THE CAR, THE VEHICLE, AND SOME I, I GOT ON, ON THE INTERNET.
SO IN THESE DESIGNS, THERE ARE, UM, I GUESS THERE'S A SMALL CABINET WITH EQUIPMENT, UM, THAT ARE ATTACHED TO THE POLE.
HOW DOES THE PLANNING COMMISSION FEEL ABOUT THESE DESIGNS? I THINK WE HAVE ASKED TO HAVE IT UNDERGROUND.
AND THEN, UM, THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF A DIFFERENT DESIGN WHERE IT'S, IT'S BELOW THE POLE, BUT IT'S NOT UNDERGROUNDED, BUT AGAIN, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU WANTED IT UNDERGROUND.
THE MIDDLE EXAMPLE IS, IS A WOOD POLE WITH A, UM, UH, AN ANTENNA ON TOP IN THIS AND THE ONE ON THE RIGHT.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S A SMALL WIRELESS SITES, BUT I WAS DRIVING BY, ON A RAINY DAY.
THAT'S WHY THERE'S, THERE'S A BUNCH OF, UM, WATERMARKS ON, ON THE GLASS.
UM, BUT I, I, I HAPPENED TO SEE THIS WIRELESS FACILITY, UM, IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
AND I TOOK, STOPPED AND TOOK A PICTURE OF IT.
UM, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF THE COMMISSION IS RECEPTIVE OF ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT THIS IS, IT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE.
BECAUSE, UM, THE MIDDLE ONE, IT LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE TELEPHONE POLE, AND THEN IT HAS A LOT OF STUFF ON TOP AND IT LOOKS UNEVEN.
MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE IT SHOUTED AND THE SIZE SHOULD BE THE SAME AS THE POLE ON THE TOP AS WELL.
SO IT LOOKED LIKE JUST ONE CONTINUOUS POLE ONE-TO-ONE DIAMETER.
IF YOU LOOK, UM, COMMISSIONERS, W WE'RE LOOKING AT THE MIDDLE PICTURES SO WE CAN ASK THEM TO JUST HAVE ONE TO ONE AND NOT TOO HIGH.
CAUSE OTHERWISE STICK OUT LIKE A, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD SEE IT TO MAKE IT.
IT'S, IT'S, ONE-TO-ONE, WHATEVER'S ON TOP, ON THE TELEPHONE POLE THEN TO THE LEFT OF IT.
IF YOU LOOK UP TO THE LEFT OF IT, THE SAME, THE SAME ISSUES, DO YOU SEE HOW ON THE TOP IS LIKE THREE OR FOUR TIMES MORE? I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES MORE THAN WHAT THE BOTTOM IS.
SO ON THE TOP, WE SHOULD HAVE A ONE-TO-ONE WHATEVER THE BASE IS.
WE DO HAVE THE ONE, ONE ON TOP WHAT'S ON THE BOTTOM OF ONE.
WHAT IS THAT BIG BLOCK? WHAT IS THAT?
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IT DON'T KNOW.IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A CABINET FOR EQUIPMENT.
UM, IS IT THE WAY THEY, THEY DESIGNED THE POLE? YEAH.
I DON'T LIKE ANY OF THESE THREE.
THERE'S JUST EXAMPLES THAT I'VE SEEN.
UM, THESE ARE THREE OTHER EXAMPLES.
TH UM, THIS ONE, UM, TO THE W I GUESS LEFT IS, IS, UM, IT'S A EXISTING POLE IN FRONT OF A LIGHT POLE IN FRONT OF A HOUSE.
AND WITH A SH WITH SHROUDED IT, A SHROUDED ANTENNA, THE ANTENNA IS THE SHROUD IS NOT AS HIGH, BUT IT IS A LOT WIDER THAN THE, THE POLE ITSELF.
AND THEN, AND THEN THIS PARTICULAR ONE, UM, IT'S, IT'S ODD.
THIS IS, THIS IS IN THE CITY, BY THE WAY, IN THE MIDDLE, THE MIDDLE PICTURE, IT'S A WOOD POLE WITH THE SMALL ANTENNA AND EQUIPMENT ATTACHED TO IT IN SOME WIRES THAT ARE IN, I GUESS, IN LIKE A METAL TYPE OF COVERING, UM, ALONG THE SIDE OF, OF THE, UM, THE POLE AND THE ONE ON THE RIGHT IS JUST, UH, UM, A POLE ON RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
IT DOESN'T SERVE ANY OTHER PURPOSE.
I'M NOT SURE IF A SIGN IS EVEN A TAP, UH, UH, A SIGN IS EVEN ATTACHED TO IT, BUT IT DOES, IT HAS A CABINET, UM, ON THE SIDE FOR, I BELIEVE THE ANTENNAS.
NOW THE ONE IN THE MIDDLE, UM, WHAT'S WHAT STREET IS IT ON? UM, IT'S ON CAMERON AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE CROSS GRANT OR, UM, YEAH, SO IT'S ACTUALLY COUNTY, YOU CAN SEE THE BLUE, BLUE, BLUE, BLUE, BLUE, A STREET SIGNS.
SO THAT ACTUALLY BE COUNTY AND ONLY PART OF COUNTY.
WHAT DO YOU GET TO GRANT? YEAH, IT'S RIGHT AGAINST THE COUNTY AREA.
I SAID HE DON'T HAVE THIS THING.
I'LL LEAVE IT TO BEAVER LIVES.
YEAH, WELL, THEY'RE ALL LOCALLY.
ALL THREE OF THEM ARE NO GOOD TO ME.
AND THEN THE NEXT SLIDE, THESE ARE LIKE, EXAMPLE, JUST EXAMPLES THAT I FOUND ONLINE.
SO THIS IS, I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY POLLS THAT ARE SIMILAR TO THIS, EXCEPT THE ONES OUT RIGHT OUTSIDE CITY HALL, WHERE IT'S A METAL DECORATIVE POLE.
AND THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF A DESIGN THAT WHERE WIRELESS, UM, FACILITIES OR ANTENNAS ARE PLACED ABOVE THE, UM, DECORATIVE POLES TO KIND OF MIMIC THE DESIGN OF EXISTING POLES IN THE AREA.
UM, THE ONE IN THE MIDDLE, UM, YOU SEE, UM, THERE'S A SHROUDS WITH, UM, LITTLE, I GUESS, SLITS OR HOLES.
UM, THESE ARE, I THINK, I BELIEVE HOW, UM, THE FIVE G ANTENNAS WOULD, UM, UH, UH, VERSION OF THE FIVE G ANTENNA DESIGN.
UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THIS IS ON TOP OF A WOODEN POLE AND THEY PUT A METAL CAP WITH A METAL SHROUD THAT IS SIM THAT THEY PAINTED BROWN AND TO THE RIGHT IS ACTUALLY, I THOUGHT THIS DESIGN WAS INTERESTING AND IT JUST SHOWS THAT LIKE DIFFERENT WAYS AND, UM, DIFFERENT CREATIVE WAYS.
UM, THESE ANTENNAS CAN BE DESIGNED, BUT I FOUND THIS ONLINE AND I THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING, CAUSE I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS, BUT IT'S DESIGNED LIKE A CACTUS.
THAT WOULD BE INTERESTING IN CITY OF WEST COVINA.
SO THERE ARE WAYS TO, THERE MAY BE WAYS TO DESIGN THE, THESE, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, IF THEY WANTED TO PUT IT, IF THEY WANTED TO PUT SMALL, SMALL WIRELESS FACILITIES ALONG WEST COVINA PARKWAY NEAR, NEAR, UM, NEAR THAT RE ROSE FAREED, UM, THE RURALS FACILITY NEAR ALONG THAT AREA, THERE IS A LARGE STRIP THERE THAT'S IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, IF THEY WANTED TO PUT LIKE SOME KIND OF DECORATIVE PIECE THAT LOOKS, THAT LOOKS LIKE PUBLIC ART, BUT IS A, IS A, UM, WIRELESS FACILITY.
I DON'T THINK, UM, THAT'S NOT, I, I, I THINK THAT MAY BE FEASIBLE, BUT THAT'S, THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF HOW CREATIVE THEY CAN GET.
I ALSO WANT TO GO BACK TO THE FIRST PICTURE.
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I DON'T KNOW IF WEST COVINA MAYBE CORRECT ME, GLEN, OR, UM, COMMISSIONER RED HOLDS, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE FIRST PICTURES, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE DAKOTA LAMP BECAUSE THIS REALLY WITH THE BOX IN THE BOTTOM, BUT SOME EQUIPMENT'S IN THE MIDDLE AND IT WAS SOMETHING ON TOP OF IT REALLY DESTROY.IF HE WERE TO HAVE SOME DAKOTA TYPE OF LAMP, IT'S NO LONGER LOOKED LIKE A TREE.
WE ONLY HAVE THAT ON GLENDORA AVENUE, YOU KNOW, IN THE, BY THE THEATER OVER THERE, WE CAN ALSO, I THINK WE CAN ALSO PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING.
WE CAN JUST SAY THAT THIS NOTE ON ALL DAKOTA LAMPS, WE SHOULDN'T HAVE THESE THINGS ON IT.
SO BEFORE THEY REALLY DESTROY WHAT IT SHOULD LOOK LIKE.
SO THAT CONCLUDES ALL THE SLIDES THAT I, THAT I WANTED TO SHOW THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS.
SO IF WE CAN, OH, CAN OPEN HIM BEFORE WE GO.
UM, SO BEFORE WE OPEN UP TO THE, UM, PUBLIC ON THE MIDDLE, UM, PICTURE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE MIDDLE ONE, UM, THIS IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, THE HEIGHTS OF IT, IT'S JUST WAY TALLER THAN WHAT THE STREET LAMP SHOULD BE.
AND ALSO THE EQUIPMENT ON TOP OF IT, INSTEAD OF LIKE MAKING IT THE SAME SIZE AS THE TOP, LIKE IT STACK IT UP MUCH BIGGER.
LIKE IF THE TELEPHONE POETS IS, LET'S SAY EIGHT FEET OR 12 INCHES, IT SHOULD BE 12 INCHES ON TOP OF SMALLER, LIKE A TAPER COUPLE LOOK.
SO WE SHOULD, I GUESS ANYONE ALSO, I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT AS PART, AS AN ATTACHMENT TO THIS STAFF REPORT, UM, I INCLUDED PHOTOGRAPHS, UM, OF, OF, UM, ITEMS OR PHOTOGRAPHS THAT, THAT, UH, VERIZON HAD SENT ME AND ALSO, UM, CROWN CASTLE HAS SENT ME, THOSE WERE THE TWO INTERESTED PARTIES THAT, THAT I, THAT I WAS CONTACTED BY.
AND I HAD PROVIDED THEM THE CALL IN INFORMATION TO THIS MEETING.
I BELIEVE SOMEBODY FROM COUNTY, CROWN CASTLE IS HERE, BUT I AM NOT SURE IF THE VERIZON REPRESENTATIVE IS, IS HERE AS WELL.
SHOULD WE LOOK AT THEIR, UM, OR DO, ARE THEY GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT OR SHOULD WE LOOK AT THEIR, THE SUBMITTAL THAT THEY HAVE? AND IT'S A, IT'S, UH, THEIR SAMPLE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT THEY PROVIDED.
BUT, UM, I THINK IT'S BEST IF YOU HA YOU ALLOW THEM TO SPEAK, OKAY, MADAM CHAIR, THIS IS RED HALTS.
THESE REPRESENTATIVES MIGHT BE TO ADDRESS WHAT YOU'RE BRINGING UP, AS FAR AS THE ONE-TO-ONE AND ALL THAT.
THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THE FEASIBILITY OF THAT AND, UH, ANSWER THOSE KINDS OF QUESTIONS FOR US.
SO I THINK WE SHOULD GO TO THEM.
UM, SHOULD BE, UH, IS STAFF COMPLETE WITH THEIR, YOU KNOW, REPORTING? UM, YES.
AND ALSO JUST TO ADD THAT THIS, AGAIN, THIS IS A STUDY SESSION.
UM, THERE, THERE WAS NOT AN INTENTION TO MAKE THIS A LAST STUDY SESSION.
THERE IS, UM, ABSOLUTELY FULL INTENTION TO MAKE THIS ONE OF MANY FUTURE STUDY SESSIONS.
AND IT'S JUST, THIS IS JUST TO LIKE, BASICALLY THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG.
UM, THIS IS, DO WE NOT HAVE ONE SCHEDULED NEXT MONTH, A MONTH FROM NOW? UM, WE WILL HAVE ONE, WE WILL HAVE ONE SCHEDULED CAUSE IT'S ON THE, WE DON'T HAVE A MEETING THE FIRST AUGUST, BUT THE SECOND ONE, IT LOOKS LIKE THE ONLY ITEM ON THERE IS A STUDY SESSION FOR THIS.
THAT IT IS GOING TO BE SCHEDULED TO ALMOST EVERY PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AND, UM, WITH A LITTLE, UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE ITEMS PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION PROVIDE, PROVIDE STAFF DIRECTION ON CERTAIN ITEMS TO RESEARCH.
WE CAN ALSO REPORT THAT AS WELL.
I JUST WANTED TO ADD ONE THING TOO.
WE MOVE ON IN THE STAFF REPORT, ATTACHMENT NUMBER EIGHT.
I HOPE EVERYBODY GOT A CHANCE TO READ THAT COMING SOON TO A NEIGHBORHOOD NEAR YOU.
QUESTION MARK, THAT WAS FULL OF VERY GOOD INFORMATION.
IF YOU HAVEN'T READ IT, I WOULD TAKE THE FEW MINUTES AND READ THAT IT COVERS A LOT OF MATERIAL AND ANSWERS A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
SO THAT WAS THE MOST INFORMATIVE THING I SAW IN HIS, IN HIS WHOLE, UH, TAB.
SO THAT'S MY COMMENT ON THAT IF YOU HAVEN'T READ IT.
THE LAST ATTACHMENT WAS ACTUALLY, UM, AN ARTICLE IN LAST, IN JULY'S EDITION OF THE PLANNING MAGAZINE.
SO WE, I NOTICED, I NOTICED THAT THAT WAS IN THERE AND WHEN I READ IT, IT WAS VERY INFORMATIVE AND IT ANSWERED SOME, A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND ALSO THE CITY COUNCIL ASKS WHEN THEY, WHEN, WHEN THEY WERE, WHEN THEY WERE CONSIDERING THE CODE AMENDMENT.
AND I FIND IT VERY INTERESTING.
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WE'RE ALL TALKING ABOUT FIVE G BUT FIVE G AND AVAILABLE.I MEAN, THESE, THESE NEW I-PHONES, I MEAN, ACCORDING TO WHAT I READ IN THERE, YOU CAN'T EVEN, CAN'T EVEN GET FIVE G MAYBE SOMEBODY CAN ADDRESS THAT WHEN THEY GET ON THERE.
BUT, UH, YEAH, THAT'S QUITE INTERESTING TOO.
THE LAST TIME THAT THROUGH THE, UM, THE SUBMITTAL, THEY DID SAY THAT, OH YEAH, THEY'D NEED IT FOR FIVE GS.
BUT WHEN WE ASKED, IS THERE ANY 5G PHONE IN WEST COVINA? NOT ONE OF THEM ZERO.
SO, BUT THEN THAT'S QUITE ALL OF IT RIGHT NOW.
A LOT OF TIMES YOU HEAR FIVE GE AND EVERYONE KIND OF AUTOMATIC THINK THAT IT WAS FIVE G BUT FIVE GE IS JUST A MARKETING.
IT SEEMS LIKE, WHICH I WASN'T, I WASN'T CLEAR AT THE BEGINNING BECAUSE IT WAS KIND OF INTERESTING HOW THEY CAME IN AND PR AND REPRESENT AND TOLD US ONE THING.
AND WE, WE THOUGHT IT IS
LIKE, SO IF THERE'S NO FIVE G TECHNOLOGY, THEN, THEN WHAT ARE THEY TRYING TO DO? I GUESS I NEVER WOULD HAVE DONE THAT.
THIS IS COMMISSIONER GUESS MAYBE THE QUESTION THAT NEEDS TO BE ANSWERED IS, OH, WE'RE JUST TALKING.
YEAH, WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD LEAVE IT FOR THE, YEAH.
UM, MISSION IS, IS, UH, WHAT IS THE DEPLOYMENT OF RALEIGH'S A SMALL WIRELESS RELEASE HAVE TO DO, UH, WITH THE CAPABILITY, UH, OF, UH, OF MY G PHONES, YOU KNOW, IT IS, IS THAT CHICKEN AND EGG THING THAT WE HAVE, UM, BE FUNCTIONAL WITHOUT WIRELESS CAPACITY WITHOUT THE DEPLOYMENT OF THIS INFRASTRUCTURE.
BUT I THINK FIVE G TECHNOLOGY IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY USING AND THE THREE G AND 4G.
SO IS THAT COMPLETELY SEPARATE FROM MY UNDERSTANDING? WELL, IT'S GOING TO TAKE ALL NEW EQUIPMENT, ALL NEW PHONES, NEW DEVICES, CORRECT? YEP.
ANYWAY, I THINK WE SHOULD GO GET TO THE PUBLIC YET.
SO SHOULD WE OPEN UP, IS, DOES ANY COMMISSIONERS OR STAFF WANT TO HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OTHERWISE WE'RE GOING TO OPEN THE FLOORS TO THE PUBLIC FOR COMMENTS PUBLIC.
DO WE KNOW HOW MANY CALLS OR WE DO? MADAM CHAIR HAVE ONE REPRESENTATIVE FROM CROWN CASTLE WHO IS ON THE LINE? GO AHEAD.
AND LOOKING THROUGH WHAT MIGHT HAVE PUT TOGETHER.
I DO THINK THAT IT IS IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE OTHER DESIGN GUIDELINES OF THE OTHER AREAS THAT I WORK WITH, WHICH IS PRIMARILY INLAND EMPIRE.
UM, SPECIFICALLY THE, UM, HOW IT'S DETAILING THE LOCATION OF PREFERENCE AS FAR AS WHERE WE ARE ALLOWED TO INSTALL WHEN IT COMES TO THE SMALL WIRELESS FACILITIES IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY.
SO I DO THINK THAT'S GREAT, THE LOCATION HIERARCHY.
UM, I ALSO THINK THAT THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF LETTING US WHAT TYPE OF INSTALL WILL FALL UNDER MINISTERIAL VERSUS DISCRETIONARY.
I ALSO THINK THAT ALSO, UM, HIT A LOT OF HIGH POINTS FOR US.
UM, THE ONLY AREAS OF CONCERN THAT I HAD IN LOOKING THROUGH THE ENTIRE CALL IS THE UNDERGROUNDING OF EQUIPMENT.
I WASN'T EXACTLY CERTAIN IF IT'S UNDERGROUND THE METER, OR WERE YOU SPEAKING ABOUT UNDERGROUND? DID WHETHER IT'S A CERTAIN, IF IT WAS THE ANTENNA THAT YOU WERE THINKING, OR WAS IT JUST A METER? I DON'T WANT TO SEE A BOX.
THE ANTENNAS ARE, I'M FINE WITH, I JUST DON'T WANT TO SEE A BOX SITTING, YOU KNOW, ON THE GROUND ATTACHED TO A POLE OR, OR ATTACHED TO A SIDE, LOOKING, YOU KNOW, TAKING AWAY FROM THE AESTHETIC OF THE DESIGN OF THE POLE.
YOU KNOW, I'M JUST, I'M TALKING ABOUT UNDERGROUNDING, THE SUPPORT EQUIPMENT.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT WOULD MAINLY MORE OR LESS SUPPORT THAT GOES ALONG WITH MORE OF A STREETLIGHT IF WE WERE TO DO A STREETLIGHT DESIGN.
AND I THINK THAT IN A LOT OF INSTANCES, IF IT'S A SEE STREETLIGHT, WE DO HAVE TO GO ALONG WITH THEIR GUIDELINES.
UM, BUT THAT IS ALSO STILL GOOD TO KNOW.
SO GOING FORWARD, WHENEVER THE CARRIERS DO, UM, PROVIDE US WITH THEIR RFP MAP OF AREAS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO GO INTO IN WEST COVINA, WHEN WE DO OUR SITE WALKS, THAT IS GOOD TO KNOW THAT WE WANT TO TRY TO AVOID DOING THOSE TYPES OF DESIGNS, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE WONDERFUL TO AGREED WITH WHAT IT IS THAT WE, WE LIKE TO HAVE.
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CASTLE, SINCE YOU'RE HERE, HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU THOUGH.UM, THIS SMALL BIKE SYSTEM THAT WE'RE TRYING TO IS TO, TO SET UP, IT'S PREDOMINANTLY, WE'RE THINKING IN OUR MIND, WELL, AT LEAST IN MY MIND, WE'RE DOING IT FOR THE FIVE G SINCE IS THERE OR OTHER FIVE GS OR OTHER NOT 5G CURRENTLY.
AND IF THERE'S NOT FIVE G THEN WHAT ARE YOU BUILDING RIGHT NOW? ARE YOU DOING STILL THAT'S FIJI FOR G THAT YOU'RE PUTTING UP? YEAH.
SO, UM, I DO RECALL, UM, ATTENDING THOSE MEETINGS AND I'M NOT REALLY CERTAIN IF THERE'S A BABY, SOME CONFUSION, WE NEVER WERE LOOKING TO INSTALL A FIVE B AT THE TIME FOR T-MOBILE IN WEST COVINA, IT'S ALL FOUR G.
SO EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW IS FOUR D TO MY UNDERSTANDING, UM, FIVE G DOES NOT TECHNICALLY EXIST AND A LOT OF AREAS IN ORDER TO GET FIVE G IT'S ALL ABOUT THAT ANTENNA.
THERE ARE SOME ANTENNA, DEPENDING ON THE CARRIER AND DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF INSTALLED, BECAUSE WE DO THE CARRIERS, YOU USE DIFFERENT ANTENNA BASED ON THE AREA THAT THEY WERE TRYING TO SERVE IT, THAT INTENT COULD BE UPGRADABLE.
IT COULD JUST BE A SOFTWARE UPGRADE WHERE THEY JUST CAN LITERALLY DO MAINTENANCE, GO IN, PULL OUT A DISC AND POP IN A NEW ONE.
BUT EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE WORKING ON IS 4G.
SO I CAN'T REALLY, I DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION ABOUT WHEN THE CARRIERS ARE LOOKING TO MOVE TO 5G.
UM, THERE ARE DEVICES OUT THERE, UM, FOR INSTANCE, AT, AT AND T STATED THAT THEIR DEVICES WERE FIVE D COMPATIBLE, SOME DEVICES EVEN SAID FIVE G THAT WAS NOT ACCURATE.
THEY WERE ACTUALLY CALLED TO THE CARPET ON THAT.
AND THEY WERE ADVISED THAT THEY HAVE TO TAKE THOSE PHONES AND PUT THEM BACK TO 4G BECAUSE FIVE G DOESN'T EXIST RIGHT NOW.
SO BASICALLY WE'RE DESIGNING THIS AND WE'RE CHANGING OUR CODES TO FIT AND CONFORM TO THE FIVE G WHEN IN REALITY, THIS IS JUST A FIJI FOR QI.
I MEAN, IN AN HOUR, I'M NOT SAYING CONQUESTS.
I'M NOT SAYING YOU, BUT I'M JUST SAYING IN MY MIND, WHEN WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE ZONING CODES AND THE CHANGES, WE THOUGHT WE'RE DOING THIS FOR THE FIVE G CAUSE THE HIP IS JUST KEPT SAYING FIVE G IS COMING, FIVE G IS COMING.
WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE IT AND ALLOWED IT EVERYWHERE SO THAT WE CAN, WE CAN CONFORM TO FIVE G, BUT IN REALITY, IT'S FIVE G TECHNOLOGY DOESN'T EXIST.
SO WE REALLY, YOU GOT TO REALLY DOING THIS FOR THE EXISTING PHONE, EXISTING FACILITY, EXISTING EQUIPMENT OR TECHNOLOGY, WHICH HAS THE THREE GS AND FORGES OVER TIME THROUGHOUT THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, WHEN WE HAVE UPGRADED FROM EVEN TWO D TO THREE D TO 4G THE ANTENNAS, SOMETIMES I'VE GOTTEN A LITTLE BIT LARGER.
UM, SOMETIMES THEY'VE GOTTEN A LITTLE BIT SMALLER.
SOMETIMES WE WILL INSTALL ONE IN ANTENNA AND HAVE MAYBE TWO ARE USE.
UM, BUT THIS IS ALL FOR SMALL.
THIS IS FOR, UM, THE SMALL WIRELESS FACILITIES.
IF YOU'RE SPEAKING ABOUT MACRO SITE WHERE IT IS MAYBE A SELF SUPPORT STRUCTURE OR A MONOPOLE, THOSE CONFIGURATIONS ARE VASTLY DIFFERENT ANTENNAS OBVIOUSLY ARE A LOT LARGER, BUT ONCE AGAIN, IT ALL DEPENDS ON THAT AREA THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SERVICE.
AND ALSO WHAT THAT CURRENT STRUCTURE LOOKS LIKE.
SO IF IT'S AN AREA WHERE THEY SEE THAT THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT GAP IN COVERAGE, AND THAT IS NARROW, THAT THEY MAYBE DO WANT TO MAKE THAT AREA OF FIVE G FIRST, THOSE ANTENNAS COULD BE A LITTLE BIT LARGER OR THE ANTENNAS CAN BE A LITTLE BIT SMALLER AND YOU CAN JUST HAVE MORE ART ARE USED TO SUPPORT THAT.
AND YOU WOULD ALSO OBVIOUSLY HAVE MORE CO-AX.
SO, UM, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I DON'T KNOW IF THE CODE RELEASE SHOULD BE WRITTEN SPECIFICALLY TO THE TECHNOLOGY.
IT'S MORE ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE EQUIPMENT AND BASED ON THE FCC ORDER, WE DO WANT TO STAY IN ALIGNMENT WITH THAT.
SINCE YOU BROUGHT UP THE FCC CODE, THAT CONCERN THE FCC, WHEN WE WERE ALLOWED YOU TO HAVE THIS SMALL CELL, WHICH IS NOT A 5G IN THEORY, IT'S JUST A FOUR G THE FCC DOES GIVE YOU, SINCE WE GAVE YOU THE BASE, YOU CAN ALSO INCREASE THIS WITHOUT THE CITIES, UM, WITHOUT THE CITIES, WHAT ARE YOU CALLED? APPROVAL PERMISSION.
I COULDN'T COME UP WITH A WORD.
SO IS IT POSSIBLE THAT IF WE'RE EVEN ALL CALLED LIMITS IT TO, LET'S JUST SAY, I DUNNO, 35 FEET.
I JUST, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT, AND DO YOU, SINCE YOU HAD ALL THESE THINGS IN A RESIDENTIAL ZONE, YOU CAN INCREASE IT BECAUSE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ALLOWED YOU TO INCREASE IT.
AND YOU POTENTIALLY, LIKE YOU SAID, TO UPGRADE IT TO ANY TYPE OF EQUIPMENT, CITY WILL HAVE NO SALE.
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THAT WOULD FALL UNDER, UM, THE 64 OH NINE CODE THAT IS ACCURATE, BUT THAT IS ACCURATE.SO, SO POTENTIALLY WAIT, I'M SORRY.
WAIT, I JUST WANT TO ADD ONE MORE THING TO THAT.
SO EVEN WITH THE 64 OH NINE, WE HAVE TO STAY UNDER A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THE EXISTING EQUIPMENT.
BUT IN MY EXPERIENCE, WE DON'T LIKE TO JUST GO OUT AND SWAP EQUIPMENT.
WE DO LIKE TO INTERACT WITH THE CITY AND LET THEM KNOW THAT WE WILL BE DOING MAINTENANCE.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT POTENTIALLY IN THE FUTURE, IF YOU NEED TO CHANGE IT TO ANYTHING ELSE, YOU DON'T NEED OUR PERMISSION ANYMORE.
YOU CAN JUST GO IN AND UPGRADE IT TO WHAT THE FEDERAL CODE WILL ALLOW YOU TO DO.
SO, SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY TO OUTCOME IS THAT YES, THIS DESIGN IS WHAT WE'RE APPROVING TODAY, BUT TOMORROW MAY BE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT BECAUSE OF WHAT WAS ALLOWED.
I FORGOT HOW MANY FOOT HIGH, 10% OR 20%, AND AS LONG AS IT'S, YOU KNOW, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, WHAT NOT, WE'LL BE APPROVING WHAT WE'LL ASK, BEING ASKED FOR TODAY.
ULTIMATELY ONCE THE BASE, ONCE A WEEK, I'M JUST SAYING THAT ONCE THE BASE IS GIVEN OR THE POLE WAS GIVEN THE LOCATION, THEN ULTIMATELY IT'S REALLY, I KNOW YOU GUYS MAY NOT LIKE IT, BUT I'M NOT SURE HOW OTHER FACILITIES OTHER, UM, TELECOMM COMPANY FEEL LIKE.
I MEAN, THEY, I'M JUST SAYING THAT AS A, AS A CITY COMMISSIONERS OR RESIDENTS, YOU MIGHT THINK THAT, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WAS BEING APPROVED AND WHAT HAVE YOU, THEY'RE OKAY WITH IT.
BUT TOMORROW COMES, THERE'S LIKE, OOPS, YOU KNOW, WE NEED SOMETHING ELSE.
THEN THEIR GOALS AND NOT, THAT'S NOT ACTUALLY A HUNDRED PERCENT ACCURATE.
SO IT IS TRUE BASED ON THE FTC ORDER, IT IS SOMETHING CALLED THE 64 OH NINE WHERE WE CAN GO IN AND MAKE CHANGES TO THE EXISTING EQUIPMENT, BUT IT DOES HAVE TO FALL WITHIN THE GUIDELINES.
FOR INSTANCE, ONE OF THE GUIDELINES IS IT CANNOT BE GREATER THAN 10% OF THE TOTAL HEIGHT OF THE ANTENNAS THAT ARE THERE, OR WE CAN'T JUST INCREASE THE OVERALL SPACE.
WE STILL HAVE TO STAY WITHIN THAT THREE CUBIC FEET, FOUR PER ANTENNA.
UM, BUT THE LIKELIHOOD OF THAT IS NOT THAT GREAT.
AND ONCE AGAIN, IF WE DO HAVE TO DO THAT, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GO UNDER 64 OH NINE.
WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND COMPLETE AN ANOTHER NEW APPLICATION.
SHARON, IF I MAY, IF I MAY ADD, UM, TO, TO THIS, DISCUSS THIS, THIS, THIS DISCUSSION, UM, IT IS TRUE THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOES LIMIT THE CITY'S PURVIEW REGARDING INCREASING THE HEIGHTS TO A CERTAIN LIMIT.
UM, HOWEVER, IF, IF LET'S SAY THERE'S AN EXISTING WIRELESS FACILITY AND THEY, THEY WANTED TO UPGRADE THE ANTENNAS OR, UM, IT, WHICH WOULD ESSENTIALLY INCREASE THE HEIGHTS AND IT WOULD COMPLY WITH THAT PERCENTAGE.
IT DOESN'T NOT NECESSARILY MEAN THAT CITY, THAT THE CITY IS NOT ALLOWED TO REVIEW IT.
UM, AN APPLICATION STILL HAS TO BE SUBMITTED, UM, ALL, UM, ALTHOUGH THAT APPLICATION MAY BE MINISTERIAL, UM, BUT THEY, UM, AT APPLICATION STILL HAS TO BE SUBMITTED THAT STAFF WILL BE REQUIRED TO REVIEW, TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT IT COMPLIES WITH, WITH, UM, THAT FEDERAL LAW.
AND ALSO TO DETERMINE WHETHER THE, THE STEALTH, THE EXISTING SELF, THE EXISTING STAFFING WILL REMAIN IN PLACE.
SO WE, WE DO REVIEW IT AS FAR AS THE DESIGN IS CONCERNED, UM, TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THE EXISTING SELFING, UM, IS, UM, STILL BEING ACCOMPLISHED WITH THE, WITH THE PROPOSED INCREASE IN HEIGHT.
UM, BUT, UM, THEY ARE REQUIRED.
THEY ARE ALLOWED BY FEDERAL LAW TO INCREASE THE HEIGHT BY A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE.
BUT, UM, UM, CITY ATTORNEY HAVE A QUICK QUESTION, THOUGH, SINCE I KNOW THE NEW CODES THAT CAME ON THAT CODE, UM, A COURT CASE THAT CAME OUT, WE GOT AN AESTHETIC, CAN THEY CHANGE IT IN THE FUTURE TO A POINT THAT THE AESTHETIC PORTION IS NOT BEING CONSIDERED BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE FEDERAL LAW BEHIND THEM? MAYBE THAT, UH, I'M SORRY.
MAYBE WE SHOULD END THIS AT THE END PORTIONS IN WHICH IS ASK THEM, WHICH IS OPENED THE FLOOR TO THE PUBLIC FOR NOW.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAS A QUESTIONS FOR OUR, UM, CON CASTLE
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AND ALSO, I'M SORRY.UM, I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO ADD, THERE ARE SOME, THERE HAVE BEEN INSTANCES WHERE THERE ARE EXISTING, UM, WIRELESS FACILITIES IN THE CITY WHERE, UM, REVISIONS OR CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE OR, UH, TENNIS HAVE BEEN UPGRADED TO THOSE EXISTING FACILITIES IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, AND AN APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED AND IN, IN THESE INSTANCES, STAFF, UM, HAD APPROVED IT, BUT, UM, WE B BEFORE APPROVAL, WE HAD SENT IT, UM, WE HAD SENT A COPY OF THE PLANS OR SOME, UM, SOMETIMES WE POST SOME TYPE OF QUESTION TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS WITHIN THE FEDERAL STANDARDS.
UM, AND THAT HAS HAPPENED SEVERAL TIMES IN THE PAST.
AND, UM, I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT THAT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE, THAT IS AUTOMATICALLY JUST APPROVED.
UM, THEY DO GO THROUGH A PROCESS AND IT IS CHECKED.
I MEAN, EVEN IF IT, I AGREED THAT THEY ARE GOING THROUGH A PROCESS AND THEY HAVE TO COME TO THE CITY.
AND WHAT HAVE YOU JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT ANYWAY.
WE CAN CERTAINLY REVIEW THAT FURTHER AND BRING THAT BACK, CORRECT? CORRECT.
WE JUST, UM, MAKE SURE THAT, UM, RIGHT NOW WE STAY WITH, UH, MAKE SURE THAT THE FLOOR IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
AND WE'LL JUST TALK ABOUT THE COMMENTS AND, AND THE, UH, PROPOSED, UM, OKAY.
UM, CASTLES, ARE YOU STILL THERE? DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD? I MEAN, IT'S REALLY A DELIGHT AND VERY INFORMATIVE.
I MAY HAVE MISSED THE QUESTION.
OH, I'M JUST, I'M JUST ASKING TO SEE IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU'D LIKE TO ADD.
UM, I, I DEFINITELY APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT WAS PUT INTO THIS BY PLANNING.
UM, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, IT'S DEFINITELY IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE OTHER CITIES, AS FAR AS THE LOCATION SETTING OF THE PREFERRED LOCATION.
UM, AND ALSO THE TYPE OF HELP INSTALLATION IT'S BEST FOR US.
WHEN WE GO THROUGH OUR PROCESS OF WORKING WITH THE CARRIERS, WE HAVE SIDEWALKS AND DESKTOP REVIEWS, AND IT'S GREAT TO KNOW WHAT THE CITY WANTS THEM KIND OF WHAT THEY DON'T WANT AND WHAT ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE POSSIBLY CAN TALK FURTHER ABOUT.
SO I THINK THIS IS A GREAT START.
THANK YOU FOR COMING AND THINKING FOR GIVING US A GREAT IF I MAY.
UM, UM, I'M SORRY, CYNTHIA, EARLIER IN THE, EARLIER IN THE DISCUSSION, UM, COMMISSIONER HANG ASKED REGARDING THE WIDTH OF THE EXISTING POLES, IF THERE'S ANY WAY THAT YOU CAN CONSTRUCT, UH, I GUESS A WIRELESS FACILITY ON TOP OF A POLE, UM, WHERE IT'S MATCHING THE WIDTH OF THE EXISTING POLE AND IT'S NO WIDER THAN THE EXISTING POLE.
UM, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN ADDRESS AT THIS MOMENT? OKAY.
UM, YEAH, I CAN TRY, UM, IN MY HISTORY, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME INSTANCES WHERE WE WOULD JUST PROPOSE TO PLACE THE ANTENNA POLE TOP, AND IT WAS AN ISO OF COURSE.
AND SO THE CITY CAME BACK AND STATED, CAN WE MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE PRETTY? AND SO WE DID, WE WERE TO PLACE AND I WAS IN BRIA.
ACTUALLY, WE WERE ABLE TO PLACE THE, UM, ONSIDE OF THE ANTENNA.
AND THEN WE DID PUT A SHROUD ON ONE OF THE INSTALLED.
THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF LIKE MAYBE A HALF INCH OVERLAP LIP.
UM, BUT IT WASN'T VISIBLE WHEN YOU WERE, I MEAN, YOU LITERALLY HAD TO BE A BONDABLE POLE LOOKING AT THERE WERE TO ADDRESS THAT.
UM, AND TO THAT QUESTION, WE DO EVERYTHING HUMANLY POSSIBLE TO TRY TO GET A SEAMLESS DESIGN.
SO IT'S, IT'S PRETTY, YOU CAN'T REALLY, YOU CAN'T DETERMINE IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE, THE, THE SHROUD INTO THE POLE, IT'S ALL PRETTY SEAMLESS.
SO IT ALL JUST REALLY DEPENDS ON THE CARRIER.
IT ALWAYS GOES BACK TO THE CARRIER, BUT I WILL SAY THAT WE DO HAVE A REALLY GOOD DESIGN TEAM, AND ONCE WE LET THEM KNOW WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH, WE, THEY DO GO THE EXTRA MILE TO ACCOMPLISH THAT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, CYNTHIA, FOR THAT.
UM, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GREAT TO HEAR THAT, UM, THE TELECOMMUNICATION COMPANY WOULD WORK WITH CITY STAFF AND CITY AND ALSO RESIDENTS TO MAKE US CITY PUDDING, NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT IS THAT YOU WANTED TO PUT IN THERE AS WELL.
SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT, THAT, THAT YOU CAN ABSOLUTELY WHAT IT IS THAT WE WANT.
AND IT IS POSSIBLE THAT YOU CAN DO THAT ALSO.
UM, IF I CAN GET, UH, SINCE YOU HAD SOMETHING DONE AT BRIA, WHICH IS NOT TOO FAR FROM HERE, I LIKE TO SEE THAT, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ONE THAT'S MENTIONED, IF YOU CAN FIND IT.
I, I LIKE TO SEE CAUSE I'M EMBRYO OFTEN AS WELL, SO LET'S SEE IF I CAN DRIVE BY ONE OF YOUR PROJECTS.
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YOU.DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FOR CASTLES, CYNTHIA? MAYBE.
ARE YOU READY, WILLING, AND ABLE TO DO BUSINESS IN WEST COVINA? WONDERFUL.
WHO'S NEXT? UM, I GUESS, DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE FOR, UM, THAT WAS THE ONLY SPEAKER WE HAD ON THIS MATTER.
SO WE IN PUBLIC COMMENTS OR, OKAY.
I SAID SHE ANSWERED THE QUESTION.
I WAS GOING TO ASK ABOUT THE, THE SHROUD AND, AND, AND THE FOUR INCH DIAMETER.
UH, BUT SHE SAID, SHE'D GET HER, WHAT'S IT A HALF PAGE.
SO I GUESS WE END PUBLIC COMMENTS AND HAVE DISCUSSIONS, OR HOW DO WE WANT TO DO THAT? THE STUDY SESSIONS? SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THE STAFF HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION BASED ON THE STUDY SESSION.
THIS STAFF DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION.
WE CAN GO BACK, WE CAN GET BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT THE NEXT MEETING, BUT IF, IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS FURTHER ITEMS THAT, THAT, THAT THEY WANT STAFF TO RESEARCH, UM, WE'LL DEFINITELY TAKE NOTE OF THAT AS WELL.
I ACTUALLY LIKE, UM, SINCE WE'RE HERE, THE ATTACHMENT THAT YOU HAD, CAN YOU GO BRIEFLY OVER TO SEE WHAT I MEAN, WHERE YOU GET THEM ATTACH THEM? I THINK NUMBER SIX AND YOUR PACKAGE, WHAT WAS SUBMITTED? UM, IT DIDN'T HAVE A PAGE IT'S JUST ATTACHMENT NUMBER SIX TOWARDS THE END.
UM, WELL, CYNTHIA SUBMITTED A FEW PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE, THE COST AND ALSO OF, OF THEIR DESIGNS OR STANDARDS, UM, STANDARD OR MOUNTS THAT THEY HAVE.
AND, AND ALSO I ALSO ATTACHED, UM, A SLOT, A SLIDE, A SLICER, A POWERPOINT THAT THEY PROVIDED ME, UM, IN THE PAST AS WELL.
CAN BE, CAN WE GO THROUGH THAT? LIKE THE CONCEALMENT ARM, THIS, UM, FULL AUSSIE AUSSIE, AUSSIE CROWN CASTLE AFTER THE COSTA MESA, UM, AFTER THE COUP IT'S BY IT'S BY CROWN CASTLE.
UM, I'M NOT SURE IF CYNTHIA STILL IS ON THE LINE.
WE JUST, UM, BE IN THE PUBLIC COMMENTS ALREADY.
WE'RE JUST WANTING TO GO THROUGH WHAT, THE ATTACHMENT THAT WE HAVE RIGHT HERE.
THEY'RE JUST EXAMPLES, THE COMMISSIONERS.
IT'S A DISCUSSIONS AMONG THE COMMISSIONERS.
SO LIKE ATTACHED NUMBER SIX, YOU SEE, YOU SEE THAT IT'S AFTER THE COSTA MESA GUIDELINES.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE STANDARD ARM MOUNT.
OH, ARE YOU LOOKING FOR ATTACHMENT NUMBER SIX? YES.
UM, I HAVE IT ON IN FRONT OF ME.
UM, BUT YOU, YOU WANTED TO SEE IF, HOW THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS FEEL ABOUT IT.
WELL, WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT SINCE WE HAVE THE ATTACHMENT IN FRONT OF US RIGHT NOW, IN TERMS OF WHAT WAS THE, OKAY.
SO THE FIRST ONE IS A STANDARD.
UM, ACCORDING TO THE, THE TEXT THAT WAS PROVIDED IS A STANDARD ARM MOUNTS THAT'S ATTACHED TO, IT LOOKS LIKE A WOOD POLE.
UM, AND IT'S, IT HAS, I GUESS, UM, DESCRIPTIONS OF WHAT THE CANISTERS LOOK LIKE AND WHAT, UM, IT ENTAILS.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S AN ANTENNA, UM, PROTRUDING OUT, UM, ON A WOODEN POLE, WITHIN A SHROUD, PUT ME DOWN FOR, I DON'T LIKE THIS.
AND ALSO AT THERE, THERE, IT LOOKS,
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IT LOOKS LIKE THERE IS A BOX THERE THAT'S ATTACHED TO THE POLE AS WELL.THAT'S WHAT I DON'T WANT TO SEE IN WEST COVINA.
NO, NOT EVEN CLOSE, NOT EVEN CLOSE.
CAN YOU HEAR THE HUMMING HAS GONE.
SO THE, THE CONCEALMENT, IT LOOKS LIKE THE CONCEALMENT ARM IS SIMILAR TO THE STANDARD ARM MOUNT, BUT IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT DESIGN AND LOOK.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE PROBABLY DON'T WANT TO SEE.
AND THEN IF I MAY, THESE LOOK LIKE OLD FASHIONED TELEPHONE POLES WITH THAT APPENDAGE ON IT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YOU SEE ALL THE WIRING UP TOP THERE AND ALL THE EQUIPMENT UP TOP.
I MEAN, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THESE PRACTICALLY IN THE CITY.
I BELIEVE WE HAVE A FEW OF THEM, BUT NOW, UM, THAT, UM, AS FAR AS DEVELOPMENT IS CONCERNED, WE REQUIRE DEVELOPMENT TO BE, TO HAVE UNDERGROUND AND UTILITIES.
SO IT'S, IT'S DISAPPEARING LITTLE BY LITTLE, I THINK ALSO JOINED THE AREA THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT.
YOU THOUGHT IT WAS CITY OF WEST COVINA IS ACTUALLY BELONGED TO LA COUNTY.
SO THAT PART OF TOWN IS NOT CITY OF WEST COVINA.
I, I BELIEVE IT WAS IN THE BORDER BECAUSE IT WAS IN THE MAP.
UM, THAT LOCATION MAP THAT I WAS PROVIDED BY PUB, BY ENGINEERING, IT'S ON THE BORDER, THE MAILING ADDRESS, BUT IT'S COUNTY SERVICES.
THANK YOU FOR CALLING OUR GRANDSON AND, AND, UH, CHAIRMAN IS CHARLIE.
MAYBE SWISS COULD BE THE MAILING ADDRESS, BUT, UH, IT'S COUNTY SERVICES.
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO, WE AS A CITY DO NOT HAVE THESE TYPE OF SYSTEM IN OUR CITY.
WE ARE NOT APPROVED BY A CITY, BUT IT'S BELONG TO COUNTY AREA.
UM, ONE OF THEM IS, IS, IS A VERY PROMINENT ONE ON VINCENT THAT I SAW IN PHOTOGRAPHS OF IT BEFORE.
SWANEY IT'S IT'S IT'S IT'S HORRIBLE.
AND THEN I GUESS THIS, UM, THE FOLLOWING PAGE HAS THE TWO, THE PALM TREE AND THE POLE.
WHAT IS, COULD YOU, SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A, UM, IT'S A, AGAIN, A WOODEN POLE WITH, WITH A SHROUD ON TOP HMM.
SO THE, THE DESIGN AND DIMENSIONS OF IT, UM, IS IN THE NEXT PAGE, IN THE BACK PRETTY.
AND THEN THE NEXT, THE NEXT, UM, I GUESS ITEM IS, IS, UH, A POWERPOINT SLIDE THAT THEY HAD SUBMITTED.
AND IT WAS THIS SIMILAR SLIDE PRESENTATION THAT WAS PROVIDED TO THE COMMISSION WHEN THE CODA MINIMUM WAS BEING CONSIDERED OR A STUDY SESSION FOR THE CODE AMENDMENT WAS BEING CONDUCTED.
SO IT'S JUST, UM, SAMPLES AND THEY'RE JUST SAMPLES AND TYPES OF THE DESIGNS THAT THEY HAVE.
UM, I THINK THE FIRST, UM, I GUESS EIGHT PAGES OF, OF THIS SLIDE IS, IS ON LIKE A, A WOODEN POLE, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE ALREADY LOOKED AT.
BUT HOWEVER, ON PAGE NINE IS A DESIGN FOR A LIGHT POLE.
THAT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT WE WERE DISCUSSING EARLIER.
THIS ONE IS THE ONE I PAID TONIGHT IS THE MOST PLEASING OF ANY OF THEM TO ME ANYWAY.
IT LOOKS, I MEAN, IT LOOKED LIKE A LIGHT POLE, CORRECT? CORRECT.
IT'S VERY PROPORTIONAL IT TAPER IN THE TOP.
AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, UM, THE TELECOM COMPANY SAID THAT THEY CAN WORK AND MAKE IT WORK AS WELL.
NUMB, AND THEN ON PAGE 10, IT'S SMALLER THAN THE POLE WITH CORRECT ANTENNA, BUT IT DOES HAVE EQUIPMENT ON THE SIDE.
SO BESIDES THE EQUIPMENT, IT CAN BE UNDERGROUND.
THAT LOOKS NICE TOO, ON THE TOP.
SO IT'S VERY SMALL PROPORTIONAL.
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SO, YES.AND THEN THE NEXT FEW PAGES ARE JUST THE DETAILS, THE ENGINEERING DETAILS THAT THEY HAVE, BUT ON PAGE 14 AND PAGE 14 ARE ALSO OTHER EXAMPLES.
ONE IS ON A DECORATIVE POLE AND ONE IS ON A LIGHT ON THE LIGHT POLE.
THE SHROUD IS MUCH, A LITTLE BIT MORE WIDER AND THERE IS A EQUIPMENT ON, CORRECT.
SO, YEAH, PAGE 10 LOOKS SO MUCH BETTER THAN 14 OR 15, HOW PAUL WAS BEING PROPORTIONAL.
AND THEN PAGE 16 IS ALSO SIMILAR.
AND THEN PAGE THEM ON PAGE 19.
THEY'RE LIKE STANDALONE PULL DESIGNS THAT HAVE NO LIGHTS AND SAME GOES TO PAGE 21.
AND THEN ON PAGE 22, OUR DESIGNS FOR DECORATE OF DECORATIVE POLES.
THAT'S SIMILAR TO GRAND ABBEY.
BUT THEN WITHOUT THE ATTACHMENTS ON, ON THEM, RIGHT ON THE WALL, THIS IS ON THE BOTTOM AND THE MIDDLE ON THE TOP.
THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION, SO PRETTY COOL.
AND THEN ON ATTACHMENT NUMBER SEVEN, R IS AN EMAIL SENT TO ME BY THE VERIZON REPRESENTATIVE IN BEN.
JUST PICK A COUPLE OF PICTURES OF DESIGNS THAT THEY'VE HAD.
THEY HAVE DEPLOYED ATTACHMENT NUMBER SEVEN, ATTACHMENT NUMBER SEVEN.
SO I BELIEVE THEY'VE DEPLOYED THIS SOMEWHERE, THESE DESIGNS SOMEWHERE, MAYBE IN NORTH COUNTY.
THAT'S WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO SEE THE EQUIPMENT ON TOP BASICALLY.
SO I'M ON THE LAST PAGE OF THE VERIZON, UM, ATTACHMENT.
UM, HOW, HOW DOES THE PLANNING COMMISSION FEEL ABOUT, UH, AN ANTENNA ON TOP OF, OF A POLE THAT'S THAT'S LIGHT? THE SHROUD IS SLIGHTLY LARGER THAN THE DIAMETER OF THE POLE ITSELF WITHOUT A TRANSITION, I THINK.
WHICH ONE IS IT? WHICH PAGE THERE THERE'S NO PAGE NUMBER, BUT IT'S ON THE ATTACHMENT SEVEN.
THAT'S PROBABLY ABOUT IT, BUT IF THEY CAN MAKE IT TAPER TO LOOK LIKE SIMILAR AS THE TELEPHONE POLE IS EVEN BETTER BECAUSE THEY HAVE THAT CAPABILITY.
SHE SAID THEY CAN GET DOWN TO A QUARTER, A DITCH.
WELL, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVEN'T DONE BEFORE WE NEED TO HOLD THEIR FEET TO THE FIRE.
AND, AND, AND INSIST UPON IT, YOU KNOW, THE UNDERGROUNDING AND THE TAPERING AND, AND ALL THAT TO MAKE IT AESTHETICALLY PLEASING AS POSSIBLE.
I MEAN, WE'VE KIND OF JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, NOT DONE THAT IN THE PAST.
AND I THINK WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT WHILE AT ONE MIND ON THIS HOLD THEIR FEET TO THE FIRE.
LITTLE AS A QUARTER OF AN INCH.
YOU KNOW, I, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE OLD SAYING OUT OF SIGHT, OUT OF MIND, SO YOU DRIVE BY, YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T KNOW THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT.
I DO AGREE THAT WOLVES SHOULD GO UNDERGROUND.
THEY HAVE AN AGE OF TECHNOLOGY AND TECHNOLOGY ONLY GETS BETTER, SO I WOULDN'T SETTLE FOR ANYTHING LESS.
SO THIS DOES CONCLUDE OUR STUDY.
SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO COMMISSION REPORTS, COMMENTS AND MISCELLANEOUS, OR JOANNE.
DO YOU NEED DIRECTIONS FROM US OR WOULD YOU GOT A LOT FOR MYSELF, EDDIE? UM, YOU PROVIDED EXCELLENT.
[COMMISSION REPORTS/COMMENTS AND MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS]
SO NEXT IS COMMISSIONED AND MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS HAVING NAMES.WELL, LET ME JUST, LET ME JUST MAKE A KIND OF A GENERAL COMMENT AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, IF ANYBODY'S LISTENING OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE COVID AND ALL THAT, WE'RE ALL KIND OF HOME.
AND I'VE BEEN GOING OUT, YOU KNOW, DOING A LITTLE WALK, TRYING TO GET OUT EVERY DAY AND I'M WALKING THROUGH THE PISTACHIOS, YOU KNOW, IN MY AREA AND YOU KNOW, OUR MAINTENANCE OR LANDSCAPE PEOPLE ARE DOING A GOOD JOB OF, YOU KNOW, TAKING CARE OF THE LAWN AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
ONE, I WOULD ASK OUR RESIDENTS THAT
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ARE WALKING THEIR DOGS TO CLEAN UP AFTER THEIR DOG.THAT'S NUMBER ONE, YOU KNOW, YOU GO WALK IN AND YOU SEE WHAT YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE.
AND I'M JUST WONDERING IF, IF WE COULD TALK TO THE COUNCIL OR STAFF OR WHOEVER TO, I KNOW THEY'VE DONE THIS IN SOME PARKS TO PUT A, SOME TYPE OF SIGNAGE ON A POLE AND HAVE ATTACHED TO IT.
SOME BAGS, YOU KNOW, RECEPTICAL BAGS WITH ASSIGNMENTS, YOU KNOW, ADVISING THEM TO PLEASE CLEAN UP AFTER THE DOG.
I KNOW WE'VE DONE IN SOME OF THE PARKS IN THE CITY AND THE PRESALES I THINK ARE CONSIDERED, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT COUNTED AS A PARK, I DON'T BELIEVE THEY ARE CONSIDERED A LINEAR PARK.
AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT WOULDN'T HURT TO PUT SOME TYPE OF SIGNAGE AND MAYBE THE LITTLE PICKUP BAGS OR SOMETHING, BECAUSE IT JUST, YOU KNOW, IT REALLY RUINS THE AESTHETIC WHEN YOU'RE TAKING A NICE WALK, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO GET OUT OF THE HOUSE A LITTLE BIT.
AND YOU'RE JUST LOOKING AT MOUNDS OF POOP BECAUSE PEOPLE, I SEE PEOPLE, SOME PEOPLE CARRY IT ON THEIR OWN, THE NICE PEOPLE THEY'LL CARRY AND PICK IT UP.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST A, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS FEEL ABOUT THAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO TO MAYBE TALK TO, UH, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY SERVICES AND SEE ABOUT DOING THAT.
SO THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY COMMENT.
I MEAN, IT IS, UM, IT'S TOUGH, ESPECIALLY WITH THE COVID AND IF YOU PUT BAGS, I MEAN, I'M NOT SURE HOW THE, HOW SANITIZED IT IS.
IF EVERYONE IS TOUCHING IT AND YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TOUCHING IT.
SO I THINK IT'S BEST PRACTICE IS IDEALLY IS TO PICK UP AFTER YOUR LITTLE PUP.
THAT'S BASICALLY THE GIST OF MY COMMENT IS TO PICK UP AFTER YOUR DOG.
BECAUSE ESPECIALLY AT NIGHTTIME, THERE ARE PEOPLE WALKING WAY PAST 10 O'CLOCK AND I STEPPED ON THEM ONCE.
IT'S JUST, LIKE YOU SAID, IT JUST RUINED YOUR NIGHT.
SO YOUR HOCKEY AS I'M WATCHING YOU, SO YES, IT WOULD BE NICE, ESPECIALLY NOW IT'S YOU'RE RIGHT.
YOU DO SEE MORE RESIDENTS WALKING, AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE PICK UP.
WE ALSO NEED TO PICK UP ALL THE MATH AND THE CLUBS AND EVERYTHING THAT WE THROW ON THE GROUND.
CAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE IS BEING AFFECTED BESIDES HUMANS RIGHT NOW.
I MEAN, I KNOW DOGS AND CATS, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE ANIMALS? I MEAN, IT'S BEST THAT WE TRY TO THROW THINGS IN A LITTLE TRASH CONTAINER, HOPEFULLY.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANYTHING, BUT THAT'S ME.
UM, ANYONE ELSE HAS A COMMENT OR MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS TO HAVE A DISCUSSIONS RIGHT NOW,
[5. COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR'S REPORT:]
IF NOT, WE HAVE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR'S REPORT.I THINK THE ONLY THING I HAVE TO REPORT TONIGHT, COMMISSIONERS IS THE, UM, UH, WELL, ACTUALLY TWO ITEMS, UH, NEXT TUESDAY AT THE CITY, THE COUNCIL WILL BE CONSIDERING THAT CODE AMENDMENT THAT THE COUNTY, THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED REGARDING ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.
UM, THAT AGAIN BRINGS THE CITY IN COMPLIANCE WITH STATE LAW REGARDING ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.
SO THERE IS A COUNCIL MEETING, A PUBLIC HEARING TUESDAY NIGHT.
AND THEN AS FAR AS PLANNING COMMISSION BUSINESS, THERE ARE NO ITEMS FOR YOUR COMMISSION MEETING ON AUGUST 11TH.
SO WE DO ANTICIPATE CANCELING THE AUGUST 11TH MEETING AND THEN ON AUGUST 25TH, UH, AS HAS ALREADY BEEN NOTED, THERE WILL BE ANOTHER STUDY SESSION REGARDING WIRELESS FACILITIES.
AND, UH, THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT.
MAYBE WE CAN ALL GET BACK IN THE CHAMBER BY THEN.
AND THEN THE HUMMING AND ECHOING AND EVERYTHING ELSE CALLED AWAY.
SO WHAT LEARNING AND WHAT WONDERFUL ME TOO, HOPEFULLY WE ALL GET TOGETHER AND WE WORK TOGETHER.
AND I THINK IF ANYTHING ELSE, IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE WE CAN ADJOURN.
SO WHAT DO I DO CLAP ON THAT? I WANT TO SAY ONE THING, BUT THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS GOT THE BEST BACKGROUND OF ALL THE ISSUES OUT THERE IN THE PARK.