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          GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. 
          I'D LIKE TO 
          [CALL TO ORDER]
CALL THIS, UH, REGULARLY SCHEDULED, UH, MEETING OF THE WEST COVINA PLANNING COMMISSION FOR OCTOBER 13TH, 2026 TO ORDER. 
          UM, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND, UH, TAKE A MOMENT FOR SILENT PRAYER AND, OR MEDITATION FOLLOWED BY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, WHICH WILL BE LED BY COMMISSIONER BECERRA. 
          PLEASE RISE IF YOU CAN. 
          PLEASE JOIN. 
          I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. 
          ARTURO, ROLL CALL, PLEASE. 
          COMMISSIONER NG? HERE. 
          COMMISSIONER BISHAVER. 
          HERE. 
          COMMISSIONER BENNETT. 
          PRESENT. 
          CHAIR LEWIS. 
          PRESENT. 
          ALL RIGHT, MOVING 
          [APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
ON TO APPROVAL OF MINUTES. 
          WE HAVE THE MINUTES FROM THE REGULAR MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 22ND, 2026. 
          DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY AMENDMENTS TO THE MINUTES? SEEING NONE, THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED AS PRESENTED. 
          UH, MOVING ON TO ORAL COMMUNICATIONS. 
          WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM WHICH IS NOT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT? SEEING NONE, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON. 
          UH, CONSENT CALENDAR. 
          WE HAVE NO ITEMS ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR, SO WE WILL MOVE 
          [2. CONSIDERATION OF CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NO. 25-05 TO ALLOW THE ESTABLISHMENT AND OPERATION OF AN ADULT DAY CARE FACILITY]
FORWARD WITH OUR ONE AND ONLY PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT, AND THAT WOULD BE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 25-05, CEQA EXEMPTION TYPE, UH, SECTION 15303, SECTION 15301 CLASS ONE EXISTING FACILITIES. 
          THE APPLICANT IS PALS INC. 
          THE LOCATION OF THE PROJECT IS 421 SOUTH GLENDORA AVENUE. 
          UH, REQUEST FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UH, TO ALLOW THE ESTABLISHMENT AND OPERATION OF AN ADULT DAYCARE FACILITY IN AN EXISTING BUILDING IN THE CITY'S T4 GENERAL URBAN ZONE. 
          UM, PURSUANT TO THE WEST COVINA DOWNTOWN PLAN AND CODE CHAPTER 3.1 LAND USE STANDARDS, TABLE 4.3.1 PERMITTED USES UNDER GENERAL SERVICES. 
          ADULT CARE FACILITIES REQUIRE CUP APPROVAL IN THE T4 GENERAL URBAN ZONE. 
          ARTURO, WHO WILL PRESENT THE STAFF REPORT? TONIGHT, CONTRACT PLANNER SONYA GREGO WILL PRESENT THE STAFF REPORT. 
          GOOD EVENING, UM, CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          THE ITEM BEFORE YOU IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 2505, A REQUEST TO ESTABLISH AND OPERATE AN ADULT DAYCARE FACILITY KNOWN AS PALS INC. 
          AT 421 SOUTH GLENDORA AVENUE. 
          THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN PLAN AREA AND IT'S ZONED T4 GENERAL URBAN. 
          ADULT CARE FACILITIES ARE PERMITTED IN THIS ZONE SUBJECT TO THE APPROVAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. 
          STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THESE REQUESTS SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AND A CLASS ONE EXISTING FACILITY SE - CEQA EXEMPTION. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO OPERATE AN ADULT DAYCARE FACILITY WITHIN AN EXISTING COMMERCIAL ON AN OFFICE BUILDING AT 421 SOUTH GLENDORA AVENUE. 
          THE PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY 20,910 SQUARE FEET AND INCLUDES AN EXISTING 10,714 SQUARE FOOT TWO STORY OFFICE AND COMMERCIAL BUILDING. 
          THE SITE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN PLAN AND CODE AND ITS ZONE T4 GENERAL URBAN. 
          UNDER THE DOWNTOWN PLAN, AN ADULT CARE FACILITY REQUIRES AN APPROVAL CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WITHIN THE ZONE. 
          NO EXPANSION OF THE EXISTING BUILDING IS PROPOSED AS PART OF THIS REQUEST. 
          THE EXISTING SITE CONTAINS A TWO STORY, UM, COMMERCIAL OFFICE BUILDING. 
          PALS WILL OCCUPY THE ENTIRE FIRST FLOOR, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 5,357 SQUARE FEET, AS WELL AS A PORTION ON THE SECOND FLOOR FOR OFFICE PURPOSES. 
          THREE EXISTING TENANTS 
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WILL, UM, WILL CONTINUE TO OCCUPY THE, UM, SECOND FLOOR, WHICH IS ROUGHLY 1800 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE SPACE. 
          UM, THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE ALSO ZONED T4 GENERAL URBAN AND ARE ALSO DEVELOPED WITH COMMERCIAL AND RETAIL USES. 
          THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF SOUTH GLENDORA AVENUE AND WEST COVINA PARKWAY. 
          BASED ON THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT PATTERN, STAFF FINDS THAT THE PROPOSED USE IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE COMMERCIAL CHARACTER OF THE AREA. 
          UH, THIS IS AN IMAGE OF THE EXISTING TWO-STORY OFFICE BUILDING. 
          THE PROPOSED BUSINESS PALS WILL PROVIDE STRUCTURAL DAYTIME SERVICES TO ADULTS WITH DIS - UM, DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITIES. 
          THE PROGRAM WILL SERVE UP TO 30 PARTICIPANTS WITH APPROXIMATELY 10 STAFF MEMBERS ON SITE. 
          PARTICIPANTS' PROGRAMMING WOULD TAKE PLACE MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY FROM 80 AM TO 2PM. 
          THE PROGRAM DIRECTOR WOULD REMAIN ON SITE UNTIL APPROXIMATELY 4:30 PM FOR ADMIN PURPOSES. 
          THE FACILITY WILL BE CLOSED FOR PARTICIPANTS PROGRAMMING ON SATURDAYS AND SUNDAYS AND NO OVERNIGHT SERVICES ARE PROPOSED. 
          SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, PROGRAMMING INCLU- INCLUDES LIFE SKILLS DEVELOPMENT, DAILY LIVING SKILLS, COOKING INSTRUCTIONS, BA - ART-BASED ACTIVITIES, EDUCATION PROGRAMMING, AND STRUCTURED RECREATION ACTIVITIES. 
          THE APPLICANT WILL ALSO BE UTILIZING APPROXIMATELY 360 SQUARE FOOT SHADED AREA OUTDOORS. 
          THIS AREA WILL BE USED FOR EATING AREA. 
          OTHER PARTICIPANTS' ACTIVITIES WILL OCCUR INDOORS OR OFFSITE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, THE, UH, THE EXISTING FIRST FLOOR PLAN INCLUDES A LARGE ACTIVITY ROOM AREA, A COMPUTER AREA, A MEETING ROOM, RESTING AREA, AND SERVER ON SEVERAL OFFICES. 
          A PORTION OF THE SECOND FLOOR, UM, I OUTLINE IT IN GREEN, GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF THE PORTION THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE OCCUPYING FOR OFFICE PURPOSES. 
          THE PARKING REQUIREMENT FOR THE PROPOSED OPERATION IS BASED ON THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES AND PARTICIPANTS. 
          THE WEST COVINA DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIRES ONE PARKING SPACE PER EMPLOYEE AND ONE ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACE FOR EVERY 10 PART, UM, PATIENTS FOR THE ADULT DAYCARE FACILITY. 
          BASED ON THE 10 EMPLOYEES AND THE MAXIMUM OF 30 PARTICIPANTS, THE PROPOSED PALS FACILITY REQUIRES 13 PARKING SPACES. 
          IN ADDITION, ONE DESIGN ON DESIGNATED PASSENGER LOADING SPACE IS REQUIRED FOR PARTICIPANT PICKUP AND DROP OFF. 
          THE THREE REMAINING OFFICE TENANTS WILL OCCUPY 1800 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE AREA. 
          UM, AT A PARKING RATIO OF ONE SPACE PER 300 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE, THE REMAINING TENANTS WILL REQUIRE AN ADDITIONAL SIX SPACE, PARKING SPACES. 
          THEREFORE, THE PROPERTY WILL PROVIDE A MINIMUM OF 19 PARKING SPACES, 13 FOR THE ADULT DAYCARE FACILITY, AND SIX FOR THE REMAINING OFFICE TENANTS. 
          THE PROPERTY PROVIDES 22 PARKING SPACES WHICH EXCEEDS THE MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENT. 
          IN ADDITION, ONE DESIGNATED PAR - UM, PASSENGER LOADING SPACE WILL PRO - BE PROVIDED FOR PARTICIPANT PICKUP AND DROP OFF. 
          THE PASSENGER LOADING SPACE IS SEPARATE FROM THE 19 REQUIRED PARKING SPACES. 
          PARTICIPANTS WILL NOT DRIVE TO OR PARK AT THE FACILITY, UH, ON THEIR OWN. 
          TRANSPORTATION WILL BE COORDINATED THROUGH A THIRD PARTY TRANSPORTATION PROVIDER, AND WHEN IT'S NECESSARY, PERSONAL VEHICLES. 
          BASED ON THE PROPOSED OPERATION AND THE AVAILABLE PARKING, STAFF FINDS THE, FINDS STAFF ENOUGH PARKING AND LOADING ARE PROVIDED. 
          THEREFORE, 19 PARK, UM, PARKING SPACES ARE REQUIRED, 22 ARE PROVIDED PLUS ONE LOADING SPACE. 
          THIS IS A SITE PLAN. 
          UM, THEY ACTUALLY REDESIGNED THE, THE PARKING, UM, 
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CONFIGURATION TO MEET PARKING REQUIREMENTS, AND THEY DO A GOOD JOB ON DOING SO. 
          FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, PLANNING COMMISSION MUST FI - MAKE FIVE REQUIRED FINDINGS. 
          FIRST, STAFF FINDS THAT THE PROPOSED USE IS NECESSARY OR DESIRABLE BECAUSE OF THE P - BECAUSE IT PROVIDES SUPERVISED DAYTIME SERVICES, EDUCATION, PROGRAMMING, LIFE SKILLS, DEVELOPMENT, RECREATION, AND OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY PARTICIPATION. 
          SECOND, STAFF FINDS THAT THE USE WILL NOT BE DETERMINATE- DETERMINATED TO THE SURROUNDING PAR - PROPERTIES OR PEOPLE IN THE VICINITY. 
          THE OPERATION HAS LIMITED DAYTIME, HOURS, NO OVERNIGHT SERVICES, COORDINATES TRANSPORTATION, AND MOST ACTIVITIES ARE TAKING PLACE INDOORS AND OFFSITE. 
          THIRD, STAFF FINDS THAT THE SITE HAS ACCURATE PARKING, UM, SPACES AND ACCOMMODATES THE USE OF, OF THE SITE. 
          THE FACILITY WILL OPERATE WITHIN THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL BUILDING AND THE PROPERTY PROVIDES ACCURATE PARKING AND IS DESIGNATED PASSENGER LOADING AREA. 
          FOURTH, STAFF FINDS THAT THE SURROUNDING STREETS CAN ACCOMMODATE THE ANTICIPATED TRAFFIC BECAUSE PARTICIPANTS WILL GENERALLY BE TRANSPORTED TO AND FROM THE FACILITY RATHER THAN DRIVING INDEPENDENTLY. 
          THE USE IS NOT EXPECTED TO GENERATE SUBSTANTIAL PARK, UM, TRAFFIC IMPACT. 
          FIFTH, STAFF FINDS THAT THE APPROVAL OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WILL NOT ADVERSE AFFECT THE GENERAL PLAN OR OTHER ADOPTED PLAN. 
          ADULT CARE FACILITIES ARE ALLOWED WITHIN THE T4 GENERAL URBAN SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. 
          BASED ON THE ANALYSIS CONTAINED IN THE STAFF REPORT AND THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, STAFF IS ABLE TO MAKE ALL THE REQUIRED FI- FINDINGS. 
          THE PROPOSED FACILITY ALSO CONSISTS WITH THE TWO GENERAL PLAN POLICIES THAT STAFF IDENTIFY AS PARTICULAR ARCHABLE TO THIS USE. 
          POLICY P- P6. 
          7 SUPPORTS PRESERVING AND STRAIGHTEN SOCIAL CAPITAL THROUGH FORMAL AND INFORMAL SOCIAL NETWORK WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. 
          POLICY P6. 
          8 SUPPORTS INCREASED PARTICIPATION IN COMMUNITY ACTIVITIES, INCLUDING ADULT EDUCATION AND OTHER COMMUNITY ORIENTATED PROGRAM. 
          PALS WILL PROVIDE OPPORTUNITY FOR PARTICIPANTS TO DEVELOP LIFE SKILLS, RECEIVE EDUCATIONAL AND RECREATION PROGRAMMING, INTERACT SOCIALLY AND PARTICIPATE COMMUNITY-BASED ACTIVITIES. 
          STAFF THEREFORE FINDS PROPOSED USE CONSISTENT WITH THESE GENERAL POLICIES. 
          WITH RESPECT TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW, THE PROJECT IS CATEGORIC EXAM FROM CEQA PURSUED TO SECTION 15301 CLASS ONE EXISTING FACILITIES. 
          THE PROPOSED, UH, USE WERE OCCUPIED IN EXISTING COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE BUILDING INVOLVES ONLY MINOR INTERIOR ALTERATIONS ACCORDING, ASSOCIATED WITH THE USE AND DOES NOT INVOLVE EXPANSION OF AN EXISTING BUILDING. 
          STAFF HAVE CONCLUDED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL TO ENSURE THAT THE OPERATION REMAINS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WAS EVALUATED AS PART OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. 
          SOME OF THE KEY OPERATION, UM, CONDITIONS INCLUDE LIMITED THE FACILITY TO A MAXIMUM OF 30 PARTICIPANTS, MAINTAINING APPROXIMATELY 10 STAFF MEMBERS, CONSISTS WITH THE APPROVED OPERATION AND LIMITED PARTICIPATE PROGRAM TO MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY FROM 80 TO 2:00. 
          PARTICIPANTS WILL NOT DRIVE TO OR PARK AT THE SITE ON THEIR OWN. 
          TRANSPORTATION WILL BE COORDINATED THROUGH A THIRD PARTY PROVIDER OR WHEN NECESSARY PERSONAL VEHICLES. 
          THE CONDITION ALSO REQUIRES PLANNING, UH, DIVISION REVIEW ANY MATERIAL CHANGES TO THE OPERATION, SUCH AS INCREASE IN PARTICIPANTS' CAPACITY, SIGNIFICANT CHANGES IN STAFFING, EXPAND OUTDOOR ACTIVITY, UH, CHANGES IN TRANSPORTATION ARRANGEMENTS, OR SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES IN OPERATION HOURS. 
          THESE CONDITIONS ALLOWS THE CITY TO ENSURE THAT THE FACILITY CONTINUES TO OPERATE SUBSTANTIAL AS IS PRESENT THROUGH THE CUP. 
          IN CONCLUSION, STAFF 
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FINDS THAT THE PROPOSED ADULT DAYCARE FACILITY IS PERMITTED WITHIN THE T4 GENERAL URBAN ZONE WITH THE APPROVAL OR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 25-05, THAT THE SITE PROVIDES ACCURATE PARKING AND LOADING, AND THAT THE PROPOSED OPERATION IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING COMMERCIAL AREAS. 
          STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT PLANNING COMMISSION ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 26-6186, APPROVING CONDITION USE PERMIT NUMBER 25-05, SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AND THE FINDS, FINDINGS AND THAT THE STAFF REPORT IS CARGO EXEMPT FROM CEQA PURSUIT TO SECTION 15301 CLASS ONE EXISTING, UH, FACILITIES. 
          THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION. 
          I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE COMMISSION MAY HAVE, AND THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE, UM, AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS ALSO. 
          DOES ANY MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE WE OPEN IT UP TO, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING? COMMISSIONER BECERRA, GO AHEAD. 
          DO WE KNOW WHAT THE PROFILE IS OR THE, UH, THESE SPECIAL NEEDS ADULTS? ARE THEY... 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY HANDICAPS OR... 
          I THINK THAT THEY, THEY DO, UM, IT, IT, THEY'RE DISADVANTAGED, UH - OKAY. 
          YEAH, GOT IT. 
          YEAH, OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          UM - IS THERE, IS THE FRONT DOOR, THE ONE THAT IS ADJACENT TO THE STREET, IS THAT WHERE THE ENTRANCE AND EXIT WILL BE? IS THERE A BACK DOOR? NO, THERE'S THE BACK DOOR. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE THEY WOULD BE DROPPED OFF. 
          OKAY. 
          THERE'S A LOADING PLACE THAT WAS REQUIRED TO BE FOR THAT PURPOSE. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER BENNETT? UM, REAL QUICK. 
          SO THE BACK DOOR, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, BECAUSE I DROVE BY THIS LOCATION, THE, THERE'S A BLOCK WALL WITH A GATE. 
          SO WE'RE SAYING THAT THAT GATE IS GONNA ALLOW THEM TO COME IN AND THEN COME IN THROUGH THE BACK DOOR, THAT'S THE PLAN? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN IS THERE ANY, UM, IDEA ON THE LIGHTING STANDARDS FOR THAT PARKING LOT? I, I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO DRIVE BY IT AT NIGHT, BUT I'VE ALWAYS THOUGH IT WAS FAIRLY DARK BACK THERE. 
          IS THERE ANY WAY TO IMPROVE THAT OR IS THAT ANYTHING WE CAN ADD TO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT? MAYBE THAT'S A QUESTION FOR THE COMMISSION, NOT SURE. 
          WE CAN CERTAINLY ADD THAT AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL TO IMPROVE THE LIGHTING STANDARDS IN THE PARKING, ABSOLUTELY. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST DON'T LIKE DARK PARKING LOTS IF YOU GUYS HAVE NOTICED A TREND. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE I OPEN PUBLIC HEARING? UH, I, I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          UM, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER, UH, ADULT DAYCARE FACILITIES IN THE DOWNTOWN, UM, PLAN AREA? I KNOW THAT WE DID A BUSINESS LICENSE SEARCH FOR THOSE TYPES OF FACILITIES SPECIFICALLY IN DOWNTOWN. 
          UM, ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY? I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY IN THAT AREA, IN DOWNTOWN. 
          I THINK THERE'S ONE... 
          I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S CONSIDERED IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, BUT THERE'S ONE OVER TOWARDS WHERE THE BIG O TIRES IS, ISN'T THERE? NO, IT'S ACROSS FROM. 
          WE APPROVED THAT ONE. 
          THAT'S THE NEW ONE THAT'S GOING IN. 
          YEAH, BUT THAT'S NOT IN THE DOWNTOWN. 
          IT'S NOT IN THE DOWNTOWN. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I, I WAS JUST CURIOUS. 
          SO THIS IS THE, THE T4. 
          WHAT... 
          CAN, CAN YOU PULL UP THE T4 OVERLAY JUST SO, JUST SO I UNDERSTAND, UM, WHAT AREA THAT IS AND SO THAT PEOPLE AT HOME CAN UNDERSTAND? IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE, UM - HEAVENLY FLOWERS. 
          TELEFONTE FLORIST. 
          RIGHT. 
          NO, NO, NO. 
          I JU - I JUST... 
          THE, THE ISSUE IS, IS THAT OUR DOWNTOWN PLAN, UM, SINCE IT'S NOT A S - IT'S NOT REALLY SPECIFIC BECAUSE IT'S ALL F - A FORM-BASED PLAN, OUR DOWNTOWN AREA IS CONSIDERED A WIDER SPOT THAN WHAT YOU WOULD TYPICALLY CONSIDER A DOWNTOWN AREA. 
          SO I WANNA, I WANNA JUST UNDERSTAND, AND I WANT PEOPLE AT HOME TO UNDERSTAND. 
          THAT WOULD BE ON THE ZONING MAP. 
          CORRECT. 
          WEBSITE HAS - CORRECT. 
          IN THE ZONING MAP AND IN THE DOWNTOWN, UM, IN THE DOWNTOWN PLAN. 
          WAIT, CAN WE SEE THIS? WE'LL PULL THAT UP IN JUST A SECOND. 
          YEAH, I JUST, I JUST WANNA SEE IT SO PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND AT HOME. 
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I THINK THERE ALSO ONE, BUT I DON'T KNOW. 
          I THINK IT'S A REGULAR ADULT DAYCARE USED TO BE, I THINK THE DOLLAR TREE. 
          IT'S THE ONE BY THE BIG O, RIGHT? IS IT? I THINK, I THINK THAT USED TO BE... 
          I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A DOWNTOWN, IN THE DOWNTOWN PLAN. 
          DOWNTOWN. 
          AND I BELIEVE THAT SECTION IS STILL DOWNTOWN. 
          UM, THAT ONE... 
          I BELIEVE THAT DAYCARE IS THE REGULAR, UM, SENIOR CITIZEN. 
          MM-HMM. 
          THIS WAY? RIGHT THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN, AND THEN THERE'S AN ADULT DAYCARE CENTER ALREADY WITHIN THE, THE, THE T4 ZONE, CORRECT? ALL RIGHT. 
          AND WAS THAT BEFORE OR AFTER THE DOWNTOWN PLAN WAS INITIATED? THAT WAS AFTER. 
          THAT WAS PUT IN AFTER? MM-HMM. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WELL, YEAH, AFTER. 
          YOU SAID THAT WAS AFTER IN 2016? IT, IT APPEARS IT WAS AFTER, BECAUSE THE DOWNTOWN CODE, I BELIEVE, WAS 2016. 
          OKAY. 
          VERY WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          ANYONE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WELL, THAT AREA WAS COMMERCIAL AREA TO BEGIN WITH. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? WE JUST REZONE IT AND NAME IT THE DOWNTOWN AREA. 
          PRIOR TO THE DOWNTOWN CODE, THERE WAS SOME TYPE OF COMMERCIAL, CORRECT? THERE USED TO BE A FOSTER CARE FACILITY WHERE THEY WOULD PLACE FOSTER CHILDREN AT ONE TIME. 
          I, THAT WAS A WHILE AGO THOUGH. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          AND FIRST, WE WILL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT. 
          UM, I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS THE APPLICANT. 
          UM, IS THE APPLICANT HERE AND IS IT, UH, OTIENO OKOCH? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S, IT'S, IT'S YOUR TIME TO SPEAK. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          IF YOU CAN, COME UP SO THAT EVERYONE CAN HEAR YOU AT HOME. 
          HELLO, EVERYBODY. 
          UH, IT'S GOOD TO BE HERE. 
          MY NAME IS OTIENO OKOCH, AND I'M THE FOUNDER AND OWNER WITH MY WIFE, CHRISTINA, OF PALS INC. 
          AND FOR THE PAST 25 YEARS, WE HAVE BEEN OPERATING, UH, SERVICES FOR ADULTS WITH DISABILITIES. 
          SO OUR SPECIAL NICHE IS WORKING WITH PEOPLE AND LOVING THEM UP AND HA - HELPING THEM ADJUST TO LIFE OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY OR WHERE THEY LIVE AT HOME WITH THEIR PARENTS. 
          UM, AND SO IN THIS CASE, THIS DAY PROGRAM, IT'S GONNA BE 30 PEOPLE. 
          UM, AND SO THEY'LL BE BROUGHT TO THE PROGRAM IN THE MORNING BY, BY BUSES, A THIRD-PARTY TRANSPORTATION PROVIDER, AND THEN THEY'LL BE TAKEN HOME IN THE AFTERNOON. 
          SO IT'S A MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY OPERATION, AND, UM, LIFE SKILLS OUT IN THE COMMUNITY, DRAWING STAFF FROM THE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, AND IT'S NOT JUST THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE PROGRAM, IT'S ALSO... 
          MOST OF THEM LIVE AT HOME. 
          SO IT'S ALSO SUBSTANTIALLY, UM, A SERVICE FOR THE FAMILIES. 
          AND SO WE'RE HAPPY TO DO IT. 
          I LOVE DOING IT. 
          LIKE I SAID, 25 YEARS IN BUSINESS, AND SO THIS IS, UM, WE'RE HOPING THAT YOU'LL, UH, APPROVE OUR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THIS NEW PROGRAM. 
          AND WITH THAT, A- ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER. 
          QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER BENNETT? UH, YEAH, JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, IS THIS YOUR FIRST, UH, UH, UH, FACILITY 
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OR DO YOU HAVE OTHER FACILITIES THAT YOU'VE RAN IN OTHER CITIES OR OUR CITY? THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. 
          YES, 25 YEARS WE HAVE BEEN IN VENTURA COUNTY, UH, LOS ANGELES COUNTY, AND SANTA BARBARA COUNTY. 
          SO WE HAVE, UH, FACILITIES IN SANTA BARBARA, CARPENTERIA, SIMI VALLEY, UH, SANTA PAULA, AND, UH, UM, DOWNEY, EL MONTE, POMONA, UM, SO A, A NUMBER OF OTHER LOCATIONS. 
          AND, AND WHAT'S YOUR TYPICAL, FOR THOSE OTHER FACILITIES, WHAT IS YOUR TYPICAL, UM, SIZE OR NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ATTENDING OR, OR PARTICIPATING IN YOUR, IN DAYCARE? UM, DEPENDING ON THE, THE FOLKS THERE, IT CAN RANGE FROM 15, UM, TO 30 IS TYPICALLY WHERE WE'RE AT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO FOR INSTANCE, SANTA PAULA AND SANTA BARBARA ARE BOTH, UH, 15 PEOPLE. 
          AND IS THERE A SPECIFIC NUMBER OF, UH, DAYCARE ATTENDEES TO STAFF THAT IS GOVERNED BY SOME SORT OF GOVERNMENT ENTITY, OR IS IT JUST GOVERNED BY YOU? YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, WELL, NO, WE'RE REGULATED BY CALIFORNIA, UM, UH, TITLE 17 AND TITLE 22. 
          UM, SO IN REGARDS TO STAFFING, UM, EVERY THREE PEOPLE THAT WE SERVE, UM, WILL GENERALLY HAVE AT LEAST ONE STAFF. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UH, THREE PEOPLE WILL HAVE ONE STAFF WITH THEM, SO IT MAY BE LESS, FEWER STAFF, BUT THAT'S TYPICALLY THE RATIO. 
          AND, AND IF YOU INTEND TO GROW, WOULD YOU BE LOOKING HOPEFULLY TO TAKE OVER THE WHOLE BUILDING OR IS THAT A FUTURE? THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE THE HOPE. 
          YEAH, WE TAKE OVER THE WHOLE BUILDING. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO. 
          TH- THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIR. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? FOR SPECIAL NEED, IS THIS LIKE A SCHOOL THAT, THAT THE SPECIAL NEED ADULTS ATTEND? SO, YEAH, SO IT WOULD BE LIKE THE SCHOOL, UM, AS YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WITH, UH, SPECIAL NEEDS WILL GO TO SCHOOL TILL AGE, I THINK, AGE OUT AT 22. 
          AND AT THAT POINT, THEY GO INTO THE WORKFORCE OR THEY STAY AT HOME OR THEY MAY CONTINUE ON TO A DAY PROGRAM, WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE. 
          AND SO WE SERVE PEOPLE WHO ARE 18 AND OVER UNTIL RETIREMENT AGE, AND THEY TYPICALLY HAVE A COGNITIVE IMPAIRMENT OF MILD TO MODERATE, UM, CHALLENGES. 
          AND IT COULD BE A RANGE FROM LIFE SKILLS DEFICITS TO SOCIAL SKILLS DEFICITS. 
          IT COULD BE A HOST OF DIFFERENT THINGS, DEPENDING ON THE INDIVIDUAL. 
          SO YES, IT'S, THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF TRAINING BECAUSE EVERYBODY HAS DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THEY WANNA WORK ON, AND SO IT'S BASED ON THEIR INDIVIDUAL CHOICE, AND THEN THEY WORK ON THOSE THINGS. 
          ONE PERSON MAY WANT MORE COMMUNITY MOBILITY WORK AND KNOW HOW TO GET AROUND THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE THEY LIVE WITH THEIR MOM AND SHE'S LOSING HER SIGHT. 
          AND BOY, IT SURE WOULD BE NICE IF MY KID COULD LEAD ME AROUND IN THE COMMUNITY, SO WE WOULD FOCUS ON THAT. 
          SO IT JUST REALLY VARIES WITH THE PERSON BEING SERVED. 
          WELL, I WAS GONNA ASK YOU WHAT LEVELS THEY WERE AT IN THEIR SPECIAL NEEDS, BUT YOU ALREADY ANSWERED THAT, SO MILD TO MODERATE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND YOU MENTIONED, I THINK I SAW, OR YOU MENTIONED, OR I READ COOKING. 
          THEY LEARN TO COOK AS WELL? WELL, A LITTLE BIT OF THE HOT PLATE, YOU KNOW. 
          OKAY. 
          I WAS GONNA SAY. 
          SOMETHING VERY MO- MODEST. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          WE, WE WOULDN'T BE DO FULL SCALE, YOU KNOW, CUISINE IN THERE. 
          UH, BUT, UM, A HOT PLATE, AND WE'LL MAKE SOME NOODLES OR SOMETHING MINOR, OR WE'D HAVE LIKE A LITTLE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE LITTLE OVEN, THE LITTLE BROILER OVEN THAT WE USE TO MAKE SOME PIZZA OR THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO WE... 
          IT'S LOW SCALE. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK IT'S A WONDERFUL, UM, ENDEAVOR IN THIS BUSINESS THAT YOU HAVE AND HELPING ADULTS. 
          I, I KNOW IT'S A BUSINESS, YOU'RE IN IT TO, TO MAKE MONEY, BUT WHAT A GREAT WAY TO DO IT. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          I AGREE. 
          I LOVE IT. 
          YEAH. 
          COMMISSIONER BENNETT? UM, ONE MORE QUESTION. 
          SO THE, UH, THE THIRD PARTY TRANSPORTATION, IS IT YOUR TYPICAL, LIKE, 10 PASSENGER VAN OR IS IT MORE OF A SHUTTLE SIZE? I ASK BECAUSE I'M GONNA BE VERY HONEST, THE DRIVEWAY IN AND OUT IS VERY NARROW. 
          IT'S A NARROW DRIVEWAY. 
          AND THE PARKWAY, THE PARKING IS NAVIGATABLE, BUT IT, IT'S GONNA DEPEND ON THE SIZE OF THAT VEHICLE. 
          WHAT... 
          CAN YOU TELL ME MORE ABOUT THAT TRANSPORTATION? YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          YES, THANKS. 
          IT'S GENERALLY GONNA BE LIKE A 12-PASSENGER VAN. 
          SO, UM, THERE MAY BE SOME SMALLER VANS, LIKE MINIVANS, UM, THE SEVEN, EIGHT PASSENGER VANS. 
          AND, UM, OTHER THAN THAT, THERE'LL PROBABLY BE THOSE 12 PASSENGER VANS. 
          AND YOU'RE NOT AFRAID OF THOSE BEING ABLE TO MANEUVER IN THERE? HAVE YOU TRIED IT ALREADY OR HAVE THEY TRIED IT? WE, WE HAVE TRIED. 
          WE'VE BROUGHT OUR VANS IN THERE. 
          SO YOU DO, YOU DO NEED TO COME IN THERE, UM, YOU KNOW, THOUGHTFULLY. 
          DON'T COME RUSHING IN THERE. 
          AND PEOPLE PROBABLY DO NEED TO JUST GENERALLY JUST SLOW DOWN A LITTLE BIT. 
          SO COMING IN THAT DRIVEWAY, IT'S GONNA BE IMPORTANT THAT THEY SLOW DOWN AND, AND, AND MAKE THAT TURN. 
          YEAH. 
          'CAUSE I - THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU GUYS A, UH, A, A VENDOR THROUGH REGIONAL CENTER BY CHANCE? WE ARE. 
          WE ARE A VENDOR THROUGH SAN GABRIEL POMONA REGIONAL CENTER. 
          FIG - AND, UM, THEY'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT AND, UM, SEVERAL OTHER REGIONAL CENTERS AS WELL. 
          I, I, I FIGURED WHEN YOU'VE MENTIONED 
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VENTURA, TRI-COUNTIES REGIONAL CENTER. 
          TRI-COUNTIES IS ANOTHER ONE OF OUR - ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, JUST REAL, REAL QUICK QUESTION. 
          UM, AS FAR AS THE HOUR LIMITATION, UM, FROM, FROM 80 TO 2:00, I MEAN, THAT'S FAIRLY, FAIRLY NARROW SCOPE. 
          UM, I'LL, I'LL BE BLUNT WITH YOU. 
          MY, MY BIGGEST CONCERN ABOUT, ABOUT ANYTHING WITH REGARD TO OUR DOWNTOWN AREA JUST HAPPENS TO BE THE FACT THAT OUR, OUR CITY'S KIND OF STARVING TO ACTUALLY HAVE A MEANINGFUL DOWNTOWN. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND, YOU KNOW, THE, THE THING THAT CONCERNS ME SORT OF OVER THE SHORT RUN, AND I, I, I HOPE YOU GUYS ARE VERY SUCCESSFUL THERE, BUT, BUT MY CONCERN IS, IS THAT IT'S SORT OF A, SORT OF A TRANSITORY PRESENCE, YOU KNOW, SIX HOURS A DAY. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH WEST COVINA IS WE DON'T HAVE A LUNCH CROWD. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, REALLY. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, SO IT, IT'S, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS I, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS HAVE CONSIDERED EXPANDING SO YOU, SO YOU'LL HAVE EMPLOYEES WHO ACTUALLY PARTICIPATE IN THE COMMUNITY RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, BEING THERE SIX, SIX HOURS AND THEN GOT, KIND OF GONE?  RIGHT. 
          THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY BIGGEST CONCERN. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          UH, WHAT I'VE FOUND WHEN WE HAVE OUR LOCATIONS IS THAT OUR STAFF REALLY GO INTO THE COMMUNITY AND BUY FOOD. 
          UM, AND WE DO TOO, BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF STAFF, UM, EVENTS, THINGS THAT WE DO FOR PEOPLE'S BIRTHDAYS AND OUR STAFF MEETING EVERY MONTH. 
          SO WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR LOCAL VENDORS AND UTILIZE THEIR, THEIR SERVICES, UM, PARTICULARLY FOOD. 
          IT'S THAT UNIVERSAL LANGUAGE. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          SO I'M HOPING THAT WHAT YOU'LL SEE FROM OUR TEAM AND THE PEOPLE WE SUPPORT IS THAT THEY'LL BE GOING INTO THE RESTAURANTS AT LUNCHTIME AND LOOKING FOR, FOR GRUB AND GOING TO HAVEN AND, AND ALL THOSE PLACES AND, AND PICKING UP STUFF. 
          WE WENT THERE THE OTHER DAY AND WE TOOK ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO'S GONNA BE IN THE PROGRAM AND HE, HE LOVED IT. 
          HE WAS WANDERING AROUND THERE LIKE WHAT, WHICH BOOTH SHOULD HE GO TO? AWESOME. 
          SO I'M HOPING THAT WE'LL MAKE THAT PRESENCE FELT. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, ANYONE ELSE, UH, WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE APPLICANT? ANY OPPOSED? ANY NEUTRAL? OKAY. 
          SEEING NONE, I WILL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN COMMISSION DISCUSSION. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? I THINK YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT ABOUT HOPEFULLY THEY EAT IN THE LOCAL AREA RIGHT THERE. 
          I THOUGH THAT WAS A REALLY, UH - I WOULDN'T WANT TO BE THE ONE TO DENY THIS ONE, SO. 
           IT'S A GOOD CAUSE. 
          OH, FOR SURE. 
          NO, I, I, I UNDERSTAND. 
          NEEDLESS TO SAY, THAT IS, THAT IS THE, THAT IS THE LONG-TERM CONCERN IS MAKING SURE THAT THERE IS A GOOD MIX OF BUSINESS THAT CAN ACTUALLY SUSTAIN A DOWNTOWN AREA AND MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, A, A PLACE THAT PEOPLE WANNA GO TO. 
          AND, UM, I THINK THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE ONLY REAL CONCERN I HAVE ABOUT THIS. 
          OUTSIDE OF THAT, I'M WELL ACQUAINTED WITH, UH, WITH, WITH WHAT THEY DO. 
          SO, UM, A- A- AGAIN, I, I, I WISH WE COULD EXPAND THE HOURS. 
          THAT'S REALLY MY, MY BIGGEST CONCERN. 
          AND SO I WOULD HOPE THAT, UH, THAT'D BE SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL WOULD WANNA COME BACK AND EXPLORE AT SOME POINT IN TIME, HOPEFULLY IN THE NEAR FUTURE. 
          SO, UH, WITH THAT, I'LL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH - I'LL SECOND. 
          UH, JUST SO I CAN, I CAN READ IT OFF. 
          I BELIEVE IT'S MOTION TO APPROVE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 25-05, UM, FOR THE APPLICANT POWELL'S INC. 
          AT 421 SOUTH GLENDORA AVENUE. 
          BE- BEFORE WE GO, CAN WE ADD, LIKE, UH, MAKING SURE THE LIGHTING IS REALLY , LIKE I SAID, IT'S A TOPIC FOR ME. 
          CAN WE ADD THAT BY CHANCE TO YOUR MOTION TO IMPROVE THE LIGHTING IN THE PARKING LOT TO THE CONDITIONAL USE? I, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. 
          I THINK THE BIGGEST CONCERN I HAVE IS WHETHER THE APPLICANT HAS ANY CONTROL OVER THAT BECAUSE IT'S A SHARED OFFICE BUILDING. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEY'RE NOT THE OWNER. 
          AT LEAST I DON'T THINK THEY ARE THE OWNER. 
          ALL THE - FAIR POINT. 
          ALL THE PARTICIPANTS WILL BE GONE. 
          FAIR POINT. 
          SO, ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE, UH, COMMISSIONER BENNETT, UNLESS YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION, UH, BY ME, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BECERRA. 
          UM, ROLL CALL, PLEASE. 
          COMMISSIONER NG? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER BECERRA. 
          AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER BENNETT? AYE. 
          CHAIR LEWIS? AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES 4-0. 
          THIS DECISION WILL BE FINAL UNLESS A WRITTEN REQUEST FOR AN APPEAL IS PRESENTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL WITHIN 10 DAYS. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          [3. DISCUSSION AND PLANNING COMMISSION DIRECTION REGARDING THE SCOPE OF SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL IMPROVEMENTS BY THE SUBCOMMITTEE FOR DESIGN REVIEW.]
TONIGHT WE HAVE ONE NON-HEARING ITEM, UM, AND IT PERTAINS TO DISCUSSION AND PLANNING COMMISSION DIRECTION REGARDING THE SCOPE OF SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL IMPROVEMENTS BY THE SUBCOMMITTEE FOR DESIGN REVIEW. 
          ARTURO, WHO WILL PRESENT THE STAFF REPORT? TONIGHT'S STAFF REPORT'S GONNA 
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BE PRESENTED BY MYSELF AND WITH, UH, ASSISTANCE BY PAUL LAM. 
          UH, PAUL, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, UH, MANNING THE POWERPOINT NOW. 
          I'LL READ FROM THIS SIDE. 
          UM, SO THE ITEM WE HAVE FOR YOU, UM, IS A DISCUSSION ITEM. 
          IT HAS TO DO WITH SUBCOMMITTEE, UM, THE TYPES OF APPLICATIONS THAT ARE BEING PROCESSED THROUGH SUBCOMMITTEE. 
          UH, RIGHT NOW WE'RE GETTING AN UPTICK IN APPLICATIONS IN GENERAL, AND WE'RE TRYING TO STREAMLINE AND, UH, MAKE MORE EFFICIENT THIS REVIEW PROCESS. 
          UH, WITH THAT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND START. 
          UH, SO... 
          OH, GIVE ME ONE SECOND. 
          I'VE GOT THE WRONG ONE UP HERE. 
          HERE WE GO. 
          UH, THE CITY'S 2024 DEVELOPMENT CODE ESTABLISHED A PLANNING COMMISSION SUBCOMMITTEE FOR DESIGN REVIEW OF CERTAIN SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL IMPROVEMENTS. 
          PURSUANT TO THE MUNICIPAL CODE SECTION 26-277, THE PROCESS AIMS TO ENSURE QUA- QUALITY AND ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT, CONSERVE PROPERTY VALUES, PRESERVE NEIGHBORHOOD ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER, AND PROMOTE HARMONIOUS DESIGN COMPATIBLE WITH ADJACENT PROPERTIES. 
          THE SUBCOMMITTEE CONSISTS OF TWO PLANNING COMMISSIONERS AND AN ALTERNATE. 
          THEY MEET IN OPEN SESSION. 
          THEY APPROVE, CONDITIONALLY APPROVE, OR FORWARD APPLICATIONS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR DENY APPLICATIONS. 
          THE DEVELOPMENT CODE IDENTIFIES SPECIFIC RESIDENTIAL IMPROVEMENTS REQUIRING SUBCOMMITTEE REVIEW BEFORE BUILDING PERMITS MAY BE ISSUED. 
          MUNICIPAL CODE SECTION 26-280 REQUIRES SUBCOMMITTEE REVIEW BEFORE BUILDING PERMITS ARE ISSUED FOR SI- SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL IMPROVEMENTS, INCLUDING NEW SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCES, STRUCTURAL ADDITIONS OR MODIFICATIONS TO FRONT ELEVATIONS, SECOND STORY ADDITIONS TO ONE-STORY RESIDENCES, SECOND-STORY ADDITIONS TO TWO-STORY RESIDENCES, NEW BALCONIES, AND ANY MODIFICATIONS READILY VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. 
          WHILE THE FIRST FIVE CATEGORIES IDENTIFY SPECIFIC IMPROVEMENTS, THE SIX IS A LITTLE BROADER AND ENCOMPASSES A WIDE RANGE OF EXTERIOR ALTERATIONS VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. 
          THE TEXT DOES NOT ESTABLISH A MINIMUM THRESHOLD FOR THE TYPE, SIZE OR VISUAL SIGNIFICANCE OF A MODIFICATION THAT IS SUBJECT TO SUBCOMMITTEE REVIEW. 
          APPLYING THE PROVISION LITERALLY, A BROAD RANGE OF EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS COULD POTENTIALLY REQUIRE SUBCOMMITTEE REVIEW IF THAT MODIFICATION IS AGAIN READILY VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. 
          SOME EXAMPLES OF WHAT PROPOSALS REQUIRE SUBCOMMITTEE DESIGN REVIEW ARE SHOWN HERE. 
          UH, THEY INCLUDE THE REMOVAL OF RELOCATION OF WINDOWS, UH, RELOCATING PRIMARY ENTRANCES, UM, CONSTRUCTION OR MODIFICATION TO A COVERED PORCH OR PATIO IN THE FRONT, UM, INSULATION OR REMOVAL OF SOME AR- ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS. 
          UH, THESE MODIFICATIONS, ALTHOUGH MAY HAVE MINIMAL VISUAL IMPACTS, UM, MAY APPEAR TO SUBSTANTIALLY ALTER A RESIDENCE'S ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER. 
          THE DEVELOPMENT CODE DOES NOT DISTINGUISH BETWEEN MINOR AND SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES. 
          EXISTING REVIEW CRITERIA FOCUSES ON ARCHITECTURAL COMPATIBILITY, BUILDING ARTICULATION, ROOF DESIGN, SCALE AND MASSING, MATERIALS AND COLOR, EMPHASIZING ON THE OVERALL DESIGN AND QUALITY OF PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS. 
          THE COMMISSION MAY WISH TO CONSIDER WHETHER ALL STREET VISIBLE MODIFICATIONS WARRANT SUBCOMMITTEE REVIEW OR WHETHER MINOR CHANGES THAT DO NOT MATERIALLY AFFECT ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER COULD BE EXEMPTED OR APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY. 
          IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE MASTER FEE SCHEDULE HAS TWO FEE STRUCTURES FOR DESIGN REVIEW, ONE FOR SUBCOMMITTEE REVIEW AND THE SECOND FEE IS FOR STAFF APPROVED NON-FLOOR AREA REVIEWS. 
          BUT THE CODE, THE MUNICIPAL CODE DOES NOT DIFFERENTIATE OR SET THRESHOLDS ON WHAT STAFF CAN APPROVE. 
          OUR GOAL TONIGHT IS TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AND ESTABLISH THESE THRESHOLDS. 
          I'LL LET PAUL GO OVER SOME OF THESE, UM, EXAMPLES ON WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING TONIGHT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU, ARTURO. 
          UM, SO, UM, I THINK ARTURO EXPLAINED, UH, OR DELINEATED, UH, PRETTY CLEARLY, UM, UH, THE TYPE OF ISSUES THAT STAFF IS CONSIDERING. 
          AND THEN, UH, THESE ARE SOME, UM, SOME ILLUSTRATIONS, UH, AND RENDERINGS SHOWING, UM, WHAT, UM, TO GIVE IT A, A BETTER GRASP AND, AND, AND FEEL FOR WHAT, WHAT IS UNDER CONSIDERATION. 
          SO ON THE SCREEN, THIS IS A, A, UM, AND THIS IS A ROOFING MATERIAL CHANGE. 
          UH, ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE, UM, AND, AND, AND, UM, AND THIS IS ACTUALLY AN ACTUAL PROPERTY IN WEST COVINA, AND ALL SLIDES THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE ARE OF ACTUAL WEST COVINA PROPERTIES. 
          ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE, YOU HAVE A, UM, A SINGLE FAMILY HOME WITH A RED CLAY, NOT CLAY TILE, BUT ROUNDED TILE ROOF. 
          UM, AND THEN TO THE RIGHT, UH, IS AN IMAGE, 
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UM, OF THE SAME PROPERTY IF IT WERE TO HAVE A, UH, COMPOSITION SHINGLE ROOF. 
          UM, UH, UH, THIS TYPE OF, UH, REQUEST FROM, GOING FROM A ROOFING MATERIAL THAT'S A, UH, UH, A TILE TO A COMPOSITION SHINGLE, IT IS A COMMON REQUEST WITHIN THE CITY. 
          THE NEXT IS, UH, ANOTHER ROOFING MATERIAL CHANGE SCENARIO, UH, IN, IN THE OPPOSITE. 
          ON THE LEFT, WE HAVE AN EXISTING RESIDENCE THAT HAS, UH, COMP- COMPOSITION SHINGLES ON THE ROOF, AND, UH, AND, AND TO THE RIGHT IS THE IMAGE OF WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE IF SOMEONE PROPOSED TO REPLACE THAT WITH COM - WITH, UM, WITH A, UM, A ROUNDED TILE. 
          AND THEN HERE, UM, WE MOVE TO, UH, SOME EXAMPLES OF SOME WINDOW ALTERATIONS. 
          ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE IS AN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE. 
          YOU WILL NOTICE THAT, UM, THAT ON THE TWO, UH, ENDS OF THE BUILDING, THERE ARE SOME PROMINENT WINDOWS. 
          UM, ONE IS A, ONE IS A RA- RATHER LARGE FEATURE WINDOW, ANOTHER ONE IS A SMALLER WINDOW. 
          UM, UH, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS AN IMAGE WHERE THIS WOULD BE A PROPOSAL WHERE THE PROPERTY OWNER WANT TO REDUCE THE SIZE OF THAT FEATURE WINDOW AND MAKE IT A SMALLER WINDOW, UH, BUT COMPARABLE IN SIZE TO THE EXISTING WINDOW ON THAT FRONT FACADE. 
          UH, HERE'S ANOTHER INSTANCE OF WINDOW ALTERATIONS THAT, UH, STAFF IS, UH, COMMONLY ASKED, AND ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE IS AN EXISTING RESIDENCE THAT HAS TWO SETS OF WINDOWS, UH, ON THE, ON THE FRONT FACADE OF THE HOME. 
          UH, IT GIVES A SENSE OF SYMMETRY. 
          UM, THE, THE PROPOSAL HERE, UM, WOULD BE WHERE THEY WANT TO ELIMINATE THE TWO SEPARATE WINDOWS AND, UH, JUST PROVIDE ONE WINDOW ON THAT, THAT ELEVATION. 
          UH, AND HERE WE NOW MOVE TO, UH, CHANGES ON EXTRA MATERIALS. 
          UM, UH, THE HOMES IN WEST COVINA IS VERY COMMON FOR THE, THESE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES TO, UM, TO, UM, TO FEATURE TWO DIFFERENT SETS OF MATERIALS OR MORE THAN TWO ON THEIR FRONT ELEVATIONS. 
          GENERALLY, IT'S STUCCO ALONG WITH BRICK OR WOOD SIDING. 
          UM, HERE WE HAVE AN, UH, AN INSTANCE WHERE THE EXISTING HOME, UH, ON THE LEFT, UH, IT HAS, UM, IT HAS A COMBINATION OF, OF STUCCO, BUT MAINLY IT'S WOOD SIDING, AND IT'S KINDA HARD TO SEE IN THE IMAGE, BUT, UH, WOOD SIDING IS THE MOST PROMINENT MATERIAL ON THIS FRONT, BUT, UM, BUT ON THE RIGHT, THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING WHERE THE PROPERTY OWNER PROPOSED TO REPLACE ALL OF THAT WOOD SIDING AND MAKE IT 100% STUCCO FACADE. 
          UM, HERE, UH, IS, UH, A SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE A FACADE THAT'S PRIMARILY STUCCO, BUT, UM, AROUND THE FRONT ENTRY AS A FEATURE, UH, THERE IS SOME, UH, STONE VENEER, UM, AND, UH, AGAIN, THIS WOULD, UH, ON THE RIGHT WOULD BE A SCENARIO WHERE THE PROPERTY OWNER PROPOSED TO REMOVE THAT STONE VENEER AND, AND LEAVE THAT ENTIRE FRONT FACADE ALL STUCCO. 
          UM, AND HERE ON THE LEFT IS IMAGE OF A PROPERTY THAT HAS, UH, HAS A S - IT'S STUCCOED, UH, BUT HALF OF THE FRONT FACADE HAS A, UM, A BASE OF BRICK VENEER ON ONE SIDE, BUT IT IS, UH, IT'S NOT CARRIED OVER TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FRONT ENTRY. 
          SO IN THIS, UH, RENDERING HERE, UM, IT, IT WAS A SITUATION WHERE THEY WOULD CARRY THAT MATERIAL ALL THE WAY ACROSS SO IT'S CONSISTENT, UH, THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE STREET ELEVATION, BRICK ON THE BOTTOM, STUCCO ON TOP. 
          NOW HERE WE'RE MOVING INTO, UH, ROOF FRAMING ALTERATIONS. 
          UM, THE, THE IMAGE ON THE LEFT, UM, THIS IS COMMON WHERE A LOT OF THESE EXISTING HOMES IN WEST COVINA WERE BUILT AT A TIME WHEN THEY'RE, UM, BUILT ALONG A MODIFIED MID-CENTURY MODERN, UM, UH, DESIGN AND, UH, AND THEY, AND THEY FEATURE A RATHER SHALLOW ROOF PITCH. 
          UM, WE, WE DO FIND THAT, UH, QUITE A FEW, UH, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS DO NOT LIKE THAT SHALLOW ROOF PITCH AND WANNA GO WITH A MORE CONVENTIONAL, UH, AND STEEPER ROOF PITCH. 
          SO, UH, THIS IS SOMETHING ELSE, UH, THAT THE, THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED BY THE SUBCOMMITTEE. 
          UM, AND IN FACT, UH, WE PROVIDED A IMAGE OR RENDERING OF, OF THE SAME HOME WITH A STEEPER ROOF PITCH. 
          UH, NOW WE MOVE TO, UH, FRONT PORCH ALTERATIONS, WHICH ARE, AGAIN, ANOTHER COMMON, UM, COMMON REQUEST. 
          UM, TO THE LEFT, UH, IS, IS THE EXISTING HOME. 
          UM, THE FRONT ENTRY IS FEATURED BY KIND OF LIKE, UH, KIND OF LIKE A SWISS CHALET TYPE OF ROOF LINE WITH A SINGLE, UH, DOOR. 
          UM, AND THEN HERE IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, UH, WE DO SEE PROPERTY OWNERS WANT TO DO. 
          THEY WANNA UPDATE THE LOOK OF THEIR HOME, GIVE IT A MORE CONTEMPORARY, 
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UH, UH, AND, UM, AND MORE WITH THE TIME, UH, IN TERMS OF THE DESIGN OF THE PORCH. 
          UM, AND ALSO THROWN IN HERE IS, UH, ANOTHER ITEM WHERE, UH, THE FRONT ENTRY IS ACTUALLY WIDENED. 
          IT GOES FROM A SINGLE LEAF DOOR TO DOUBLE LEAF DOOR. 
          UM, SO, UM, UH, MORE PORCH ALTERATIONS. 
          UH, IN THIS CASE, THERE'S AN EXISTING COVERED PORCH THAT'S SUPPORTED BY, UH, BY TWO COLUMNS, AND HERE, UH, THE OWNER IS INFILLING THE, UH, UM, THE, THERE IN BETWEEN THE POST COLUMNS WITH GUARDRAILS. 
          AND, AND, UM, HERE IS SOMETHING WE DON'T HAVE QUITE THE, THE SAME TYPE OF RENDERING OF, BUT, UM, UM, SOMETHING THAT, THAT, THAT, UM, THAT THE CURRENT CODE, UM, STIPULATES IS THAT IF YOU DO AN ADDITION, AND HERE, UH, YOU CAN SEE THE, ON THE PROPOSED, UM, PROPOSED IMAGE, THERE'S AN ADDITION THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED WITH THE DOTTED ORANGE LINE. 
          THIS IS AN ADDITION THAT'S OFF TO THE SIDE OF THE HOME. 
          UM, THE, UH, THE CURRENT, THE CURRENT CODE DOES REQUIRE THAT, UM, THAT SUCH ADDITIONS, BECAUSE THEY'RE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET THAT, UM, THAT, THAT THEY ARE SUBJECT TO, UM, TO REVIEW BY THE SUBCOMMITTEE. 
          OKAY, AND, UH, AT THIS POINT, I'M GONNA THROW IT BACK TO ART. 
          THANK YOU, PAUL. 
          SO STAFF HAS, HAS IDENTIFIED THREE OPTIONS FOR HOW WE CAN APPLY, UH, THIS SECTION OF THE CODE, UH, THE SECTION THAT GOVERNS, UH, EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS, WHICH ARE, UH, PRESENTED TO THE DESIGN REVIEW SUBCOMMITTEE. 
          UNDER OPTION ONE, WE WOULD APPLY THE EXISTING CODE BROADLY, MEANING STAFF WOULD INTERPRET THE SECTION AS WRITTEN AND REFER ANY EXTERIOR MODIFICATION THAT IS READILY VISIBLE FROM A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE. 
          THIS MEANS THAT SUBCOMMITTEE COULD BE REVIEWING CHANGES IN WINDOW SIZES, DOOR PLACEMENTS, OR RELOCATIONS, EXPANSIONS OF THE DOORS, UM, PORCHES, ROOF MATERIAL, AND OTHER VISIBLE, UH, FEATURES TO A HOME. 
          OPTION TWO IS TO ESTABLISH A THREAT, THRESHOLD FOR WHAT COUNTS AS READILY VISIBLE. 
          UH, STAFF COULD DEVELOP AN ADMINISTRATIVE GUIDELINE IDENTIFYING WHICH MODIFICATIONS ARE SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH TO WARRANT SUBCOMMITTEE REVIEW. 
          SO FOR EXAMPLE, WE COULD REQUIRE THAT VISIBLE CHANGES THAT ALTER A HOME'S ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER, PROPORTIONS, MASSING, PRIMARY FACADE, OR PRINCIPAL ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES ARE BROUGHT ARE BROUGHT FOR REVIEW. 
          OR THIRD OPTION, OR THE THIRD OPTION IS TO ESTABLISH A LIST OF STAFF APPROVALS. 
          UNDER THIS APPROACH, WE WOULD CONTINUE APPLYING THE CODE, UH, BUT WE WOULD CREATE A CLEAR LIST OF WORK THAT STAFF CAN APPROVE, UM, ADMINISTRATIVELY. 
          UH, THIS WOULD INCLUDE WORK THAT IS VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, BUT DOES NOT MATERIALLY AFFECT ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER OF THE RESIDENCES. 
          IN SHORT, THE OPTIONS RANGE FROM THE BROADEST SUBCOMMITTEE REVIEW UNDER OPTION ONE TO MORE TARGETED REVIEW UNDER OPTION TWO, AND A CLEARLY DEFINED STAFF APPROVAL, UH, PATHWAY UNDER OPTION THREE. 
          HERE IS A, UH, CHECKLIST THAT WE WOULD KIND OF LIKE TO DISCUSS WITH YOU TONIGHT TO SEE WHAT, UM, LEVELS OF REVIEW STAFF CAN, UH, APPROVE. 
          UM, INCLUDED WITH YOUR, UM, WITH YOUR PACKAGE TONIGHT IS A PREVIOUS INTERNAL MEMO FROM 2017, UM, KIND OF INDICATING THAT THIS TYPE OF, UM, INTERNAL POLICY WAS IN PLACE. 
          IT, UM, HASN'T BEEN IMPLEMENTED FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, SO WE ARE... 
          THIS IS KIND OF A REFRESH AND A MODERNIZATION. 
          UH, THE GOAL HERE IS ALSO TO EXPEDITE A LOT OF THESE REVIEWS, UM, AND TO MAKE, UM, IT MAKE THE EXPERIENCE BETTER FOR THE APPLICANT, UH, AND A LITTLE MORE STRAIGHTFORWARD. 
          UM, SO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, UH, FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS TO RECEIVE AND FILE THIS REPORT REGARDING, UH, THE EXISTING REQUIREMENTS OF THE, UH, WEST COVINA MUNICIPAL CODE SECTION 26-277 THROUGH 26-285 GOVERNING PLANNING COMMISSION SUBCOMMITTEE DESIGN REVIEWS FOR SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCES, AND TO DISCUSS AND PROVIDE DIRECTION TO STAFF REGARDING THE SCOPE OF SUBCOMMITTEE REVIEW UNDER THAT SECTION, INCLUDING WHETHER EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS THAT ARE READILY VISIBLE FROM A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY ARE INTENDED TO BE SUBJECT- SUBJECT TO SUBCOMMITTEE REVIEW, AND WHETHER STAFF SHOULD DEVELOP THE SUPPLEMENTAL DESIGN REVIEW GUIDELINES OR ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURES TO CLARIFY THE TYPES OF MODIFICATIONS, UH, REQUIRING REVIEW. 
          THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT. 
          IF WE CAN MAYBE GO BACK TO THAT CHECKLIST, PAUL, SO WE CAN, UM, OPEN UP DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COMMISSION. 
          SO YOU'RE TRYING TO GET RID OF SHEENA AND YOU WANNA SEE US MORE? WE ARE NOT. 
          WE ARE TRYING TO, UH, WE ARE TRYING TO EXPEDITE AND STREAMLINE THE PROCESS. 
          UM, WE'VE HAD SOME CONCERNS WITH APPLICANTS WHO COME IN, UM, AT ONE POINT THEY, THEY HAD A CERTAIN TYPE OF ROOF, THEY CHANGED IT, AND NOW THEY WANNA GO BACK, AND THEY'RE NOW HIT WITH, UH, THIS DESIGN REVIEW, UH, PROCESS, WHICH COULD DELAY THEM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE TWO WEEKS, 
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MAYBE A MONTH, DEPENDING ON, ON WHEN THAT APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED. 
          SO WHAT'S... 
          SO FIRST AND FOREMOST, WHAT IS THE COST DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN DESIGN REVIEW AND ADMINISTRATIVE? APPROXIMATELY $500. 
          $500 DIFFERENTIAL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT COST DIFFERENTIAL FOR AN APPLICANT. 
          UM, SECOND, UM, WITH, WITH REGARD TO, UM, THE, THE STAFF LEVEL, UH, CHECKLIST THAT, THAT YOU'VE PROVIDED, ARE THERE, ARE, ARE THERE ANY, UM, ARE, ARE THERE, ARE THERE ANY OTHER THINGS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE NOT BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION TONIGHT THAT MIGHT MERIT POTENTIAL INCLUSION IN THAT LIST THAT YOU HAVE SEEN AT THIS POINT? UH, WE WERE DISCUSSING THAT, UM, EARLIER TODAY, AND, UM, THAT'S KIND OF THE BULK OF WHAT WE SEE. 
          WE SEE A LOT OF, UM, WHAT WE SEE A LOT OF, IS WE SEE A LOT OF, UH, MODIFICATIONS FROM A, UM, ALTERNATIVE FINISH OR, OR, OR THE CODE CALLS IT ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS, UM, PEOPLE GOING FROM, UH, WOOD SIDING OR STONE VENEER TO ALL STUCCO, UM - OR VICE VERSA. 
          OR VICE VERSA, YEAH. 
          UM, WE TRY TO DETER THAT, BUT WE DON'T... 
          THERE ISN'T A DESIGN STANDARD IN PLACE. 
          UM, THAT'S CERTAINLY ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE CHANGES THAT THE SUBCOMMITTEE, YOU, YOU COULD REQUEST THAT THE SUBCOMMITTEE, UH, CONTINUE REVIEWING. 
          UM, I KNOW WE PUT IT ON THERE, A- AND AGAIN, THIS IS FOR DISCUSSION. 
          UM, WE HIGHLIGHTED THAT EX- EXTERIOR MATER - EXTERIOR MATERIALS, STONE VENEER SIDING TO STUCCO OR VICE VERSA. 
          THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE SEE A LOT OF. 
          WE ALSO SEE SOME WINDOW CHANGE OUTS OR, UM, YOU, YOU, SOMEBODY HAS TWO LARGE WINDOWS AND THEY MAKE, THEY WANNA MAKE ONE LARGE ONE, AND BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE CODE IS WRITTEN AND WE'RE APPLYING THE LETTER OF THE LAW, THAT COMES TO SUBCOMMITTEE WHEN THE ACTUAL ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES OF THE HOUSE AREN'T CHANGING EXCEPT FOR THE MERGER OF THESE TWO WINDOWS. 
          SURE. 
          SO I, I'LL, I'LL JUST SORT OF LEAD OFF HERE IN TERMS OF, UH, IN TERMS OF MY THOUGHTS. 
          I, I WOULD BE PROBABLY LEANING TOWARD AN OPTION THREE TYPE SOLUTION. 
          UM, A- AND WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS THAT IN THE EVENT THAT, THAT STAFF IS RECEIVING SOMETHING THAT APPEARS TO BE, UM, WITHIN THE SCOPE OF W- WHAT OUGHT TO BE A STAFF LEVEL CONSIDERATION, TO BRING IT BACK ON A CONSENT CALENDAR BASIS SO THAT WE CAN ADD IT IF, IF NEED BE. 
          I THINK THAT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE WAY OF DOING THIS. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT WE WOULD RUN INTO ANY, UH, LEGAL NOTICE ISSUES ON THAT FRONT. 
          SO I, I THINK THAT'D BE A QUESTION FOR, UH, OUR, OUR CITY ATTORNEY ON THAT FRONT. 
          BUT FROM MY STANDPOINT, IF, IF, IF WE HAVE SORT OF A, A, A, A PRETTY, UM, PRETTY CONSISTENT NUMBER OF THINGS THAT ARE CONSTANTLY COMING BEFORE DESIGN REVIEW SUBCOMMITTEE... 
          I MEAN, I, I REMEMBER ALL OF THESE WHEN I WAS ON DESIGN REVIEW. 
          IT, IT'S... 
          THE, ALL OF THESE ARE, ARE, ARE PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING THAT I EVER SAW. 
          AND I DON'T NECESSARILY WANNA PUT DESIGN REVIEW, UH, OUT OF BUSINESS BY ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR THE MOST PART, YOU KNOW, THINGS WOULD COME BEFORE ME AND I'D BE LIKE, "WHY IS THIS EVEN, WHY IS THIS EVEN UP FOR CONSIDERATION?" AND, AND I THINK THE VAST MAJORITY OF RESIDENTS WHO RUN INTO THIS KIND OF ALL THINK THE SAME THING. 
          SO I WOULD PROBABLY BE LEANING TOWARD THAT WITH A SORT OF CONSENT CALENDAR TYPE, UM, ADD-ON PROCESS SO THAT IT CAN GET IN FRONT OF US, UM, YOU KNOW, REALISTICALLY WITHIN TWO WEEKS AND IDEALLY SAVE, SAVE AN APPLICANT THE HEADACHE, YOU KNOW, UP, UP OR DOWN. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE GIVE UP OR DOWN APPROVAL AND, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE DO, GREAT, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY A $500 ADDITIONAL FEE FOR THAT. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S MY THOUGHT ANYWAY. 
          I'LL, UH, DEFER TO MY, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ON THAT FRONT. 
          UM, ANYONE ELSE COMMENTARY? COMMISSIONER BENNETT? UH, I, I'M KINDA WHERE YOU ARE, ACTUALLY. 
          I, I, I THINK OPTION THREE IS PROBABLY THE BETTER WAY TO GO. 
          I, I'M INTRIGUED AT YOUR CONSENT CALENDAR, UH, IDEA. 
          UH, THERE'S THINGS ON THERE THAT I DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND WHY CHANGING A ROOF TYPE FROM TILE TO ASPHALT SHINGLE SHOULD GO THROUGH REVIEW. 
          I MEAN, I, I, I DON'T SEE THAT AS A MAJOR ISSUE UNLESS IT'S VIOLATING A BUILDING CODE OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. 
          TO ME, CHANGING ROOFING MATERIAL IS JUST KINDA CRAZY TO, TO MAKE THAT CHANGE. 
          A- AND I'LL, I'LL DEFER IT TO THE TWO WHO ARE ON THAT SUBCOMMITTEE, BUT I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM. 
          AND THE SIDING, I, I LOOK AT IT THIS WAY. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF HOMES THAT WERE BUILT WITH WOOD SIDING, AND THEY'RE MOVING TO ALUMINUM SIDING OR THEY'RE MOVING TO STONE VENEER BRICK OR WHATEVER BECAUSE WOOD ATTRACTS TERMITES 
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OR ROT OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE, AND THERE'S BETTER MATERIALS TODAY, COMPOSITE MATERIALS, THERE'S, THERE'S BETTER OPPORTUNITIES. 
          AND SO I, I SEE THAT AS A GOOD THING, RIGHT, THAT WE SEE HOMES BEING UPGRADED AND, AND IMPROVED. 
          UM, SO I, AGAIN, I, I HAVE A REALLY HARD TIME SEEING WHY THAT SHOULD BE IN THERE. 
          THERE'S, THERE'S SOME OTHERS I COULD PROBABLY GO THROUGH LIKE PORCH RAILING. 
          I, I DON'T GET THAT. 
          BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I, I, I'M KINDA WHERE YOU ARE AT, UH, CHAIR LEWIS, UH - ARCU? GO AHEAD. 
          ALL THE PHOTOS THAT WERE IN THE PRESENTATION, WERE THOSE, UM, APPROVED BY SUBCOMMITTEE OR BY PLANNING? NO, THEY'RE, THEY'RE JUST REFERENCE PHOTOS. 
          SO WE TOOK SOME PHOTOS. 
          WE, WE PUT THEM THROUGH A PHOTO SIMULATION AND - OKAY, GOT IT, GOT IT. 
          I MEAN, ONLY THING I COULD THINK... 
          SOME OF THEM MAY HAVE BEEN, BUT, UM, RIGHT, FOR THE MOST PART, THEY'RE, THEY'RE JUST KIND OF FOR, UH, VISUALS. 
          WHAT IF, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE... 
          SUBCOMMITTEE WAS ONLY NECESSARY FOR THE DENIALS? I MEAN, I THINK PLANNING DOES A PRETTY GOOD JOB AS IT IS, AND WE'RE JUST PUTTING THE STAMP OF APPROVAL ON IT. 
          BUT WHAT GUIDELINES ARE YOU GONNA GIVE THEM FOR THE DENIALS? WELL, WHAT WE DO NOW. 
          UM, TO - I'LL LET PAUL SPEAK A LITTLE MORE TO THAT, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE ARE SOME, SOME APPLICATIONS THAT, THAT WE BRING TO YOU THAT GET DENIED AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE - WELL, THERE WAS ONE TONIGHT THAT WAS DENIED, BUT THEN WE, SUBCOMMITTEE APPROVED. 
          SO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          IT'D BE AN ISSUE THAT PLANNING BELIEVES IT WOULDN'T BE, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD REQUEST A SUBCOMMITTEE REVIEW. 
          BUT W- WE DON'T DENY THE APPLICATIONS. 
          WE, WE BRING THEM TO SUBCOMMITTEE FOR, FOR THE DE- DE- DETERMINATION. 
          THE ONE I BELIEVE YOU'RE REFERENCING TONIGHT WAS BECAUSE, UM, THE ARGUMENT WAS MADE, UM, IT'S VISIBLE FROM THE STREET, SO IT HAS TO GO TO SUBCOMMITTEE. 
          AND THE APPLICANT SAID, "WELL, IT'S JUST THE ROOF." AND WE SAID, "WELL, UNFORTUNATELY, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, IT HAS TO GO TO SUBCOMMITTEE." AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO CLARIFY, THAT WE CAN EXPEDITE THIS, STREAMLINE THE PROCESS. 
          IT, IT, IT... 
          CONSTRUCTION ON YOUR HOME, IT, IT'S A HEARTACHE, AND WE'RE TRYING TO STREAMLINE THIS AND MAKE IT A LITTLE LESS OF A HEARTACHE FOR PEOPLE. 
          UM, I LIKE TO ADD THE FACT THAT BUILDING MATERIAL MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN TERMS OF A HOME, WHETHER IT'S THE FRONT OR THE ENTIRE HOME. 
          THE MORE YOU ADD TO IT, THE MORE EXPENSIVE A HOME GET IN THE COMMUNITY LOOKS BETTER IN GENERAL. 
          SO THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN COMMUNITY THAT HAS BEEN KEEPING UPDATING FOR THE BETTER OF THAT AREA VERSUS YOU CAN HAVE A GENERAL CONTRACTOR THAT ARE REMODELING OR WHAT HAVE YOU TO, FOR LIKE A SPEC HOME OR THINGS THAT THEY JUST TURN AROUND QUICKLY AND JUST RESELL IT. 
          THE PRICES THAT THEY WANNA PUT OFF, OF COURSE, THEY WANNA, YOU KNOW, LIMIT THE COST AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO ADD THAT MUCH TO IT. 
          AND THAT DOES AFFECT THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. 
          SOMEONE THAT'S BEEN LIVING THERE FOR 30 YEARS OR SO, THEY DO WANT, YOU KNOW, YOU BOUGHT INTO THE COMMUNITY AND YOU TEND TO GENERALLY, LIKE IF YOU'RE USED TO ALL THE AREA THAT HAS AN, UH, LET'S SAY A CLAY TILE, CLAY IS A LOT MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE SHINGLE TYPE OF ROOF. 
          SO IF YOU'RE CHANGING THAT DYNAMIC OF THAT WHOLE AREA, OF COURSE, PUTTING SHINGLE IS A LOT CHEAPER, AND IF YOU'RE HAVING SOMEONE WHO'S REMODELINGS TO RESELL THAT HOUSE, THEY'RE GONNA TRY TO PUT CHEAPER MATERIAL VERSUS A HOMEOWNER THAT MAY HAVE LIVED THERE AND MAY WANT TO, YOU KNOW, KEEP UP WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND THAT'S WHY SOMETIMES THE COMMISSIONS, UH, THE SUBCOMMITTEE OR THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DO, IS MAKING S - DECISIONS THAT MAY BE HARD. 
          IT MAY BE EASY FOR AN OWNER TO SAY, "HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT? I WANT SHINGLE TODAY." BUT THEN WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE OVERALL AS A WHOLE, NOT JUST ONE HOME, THE WHOLE HOME IN TERMS OF TERMITES AND WHAT HAVE YOU. 
          I JUST CAN'T IMAGINE IN A STUCCO NEIGHBORHOOD AREA, THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN FOR TERMITE PURPOSES, THERE ARE CHEMICAL THAT YOU CAN SPRAY TO PREVENT TERMITE ON THE WOOD ITSELF VERSUS TRADITIONALLY THE CONSTRUCTIONS OF THE US P- PREDOMINANTLY HOME IN THE US ARE TIMBER. 
          IF YOU CHANGE THAT INTO A METAL TYPE OF LOOK, IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. 
          I MEAN, I'VE SEEN A LOT OF THAT MORE TOWARD THE SOUTH, WAY SOUTH, LIKE LOUISIANA SOUTH. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, CALIFORNIA IS MAINLY STUCCO OR MAINLY SHINGLE OR SLIDING. 
          SO THESE ARE THE COMMON NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE, WE DO HAVE HERE. 
          SO IT, IT'S IMPORTANT TO TAKE ALL THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, WHETHER IT'S A, A SUBCOMMITTEE OR WHETHER IT'S, UH, IN PLANNING, WE DO NEED TO KEEP THAT INTO 
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CONSIDERATIONS WHEN WE MAKE OR WHEN THE NEIGHBORS MAKE ADJUSTMENT, WHETHER IT'S A HOMEOWNERS OR WHETHER IT'S A CONTRACTOR, WE HAD TO BE MINDFUL ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WHAT WE'RE CHANGING THE COMMUNITY. 
          NOT JUST FOR TODAY, BUT FOR 10 YEARS FROM NOW, 20 YEARS FROM NOW. 
          BECAUSE SIMPLE THING AS SHINGLE VERSUS US TILE, I MEAN, CAUSE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE. 
          AND IF YOU'RE CHANGING THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE IT'S CHEAPER TO PUT IT IN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT BECAUSE AS A, AS A WHOLE, AS A CITY OR AS A COMMUNITY IN A CERTAIN AREA, THE NEIGHBOR ITSELF OR THE ONE HOMEOWNER WILL NOT BE ABLE TO AFFECT THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          HOWEVER, THE FIVE OF US, FOUR CURRENTLY, CAN MAKE THAT DETERMINATION AND IT EVENTUALLY WILL CHANGE THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN TERMS OF ONE BY ONE, IT WILL MAKE, IT WILL CHANGE. 
          SO THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE SUBCOMMITTEE THAT WAS CREATED NOT TOO LONG AGO AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT TRADITIONALIST HAS BEEN HERE TO MAKE THOSE, YOU CAN SAY A LITTLE BIT HARDER DECISIONS THAN JUST FOR ONE HOMEOWNERS THAT WANTS TO DO WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO. 
          I THINK THAT IF IT ISN'T OUTRAGEOUS, I'M SORRY, BUT IT'S MY OPINION. 
          AS A RESIDENT, I PERSONALLY DON'T LIKE PEOPLE TELLING ME WHAT TO DO WITH MY HOME. 
          BUT I GET IT. 
          IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, OUT OF THE, YOU KNOW, RANGE OF WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS AND IT DOESN'T FALL INTO THE, YOU KNOW, UM, THE, YOU KNOW, SCOPE OF HOW EVERYBODY'S LOOKS AND, YOU KNOW, BUT IF IT'S, I MEAN, IF IT'S SOMETHING, I MEAN, WE HAD ONE ON LARK ELLEN ONE TIME. 
          WELL, THE, THE WOMAN HAD FOR A YEAR TRYING TO GET APPROVED AN ADDITION. 
          SHE HAD A PATIO BECAUSE SHE HAD SUCH A SMALL HOUSE AND THIS WOULD ADD LIKE, I MEAN, THREE OR 400 SQUARE FEET TO HER PROBABLY 850 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE AND SHE COULD EXTEND HER KITCHEN. 
          AND IT WASN'T QUITE UP TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE WOULD THINK NOW WE MAYBE WOULD BE. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, I'VE DRIVEN PAST IT MANY TIMES ON LARK ELLEN AND I MEAN, IT DOESN'T LOOK BAD, BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK WHEN WE, WE OVER CRITIQUE AND, AND THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S SOMEBODY'S HOME AND I THINK EVERYTHING SHOULD BE CONSIDERED. 
          UH, I JUST WANNA ADD THAT, UM, YES, EACH INDIVIDUAL AS A HOMEOWNER MYSELF, I REALLY DON'T LIKE PEOPLE TELLING ME WHAT TO DO NEITHER. 
          HOWEVER, I CAN'T JUST GO AND CHANGE THINGS THAT'S NOT ACCORDING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO PRETTY MUCH KEEP IT TO CONSISTENT. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT I CAN COME UP WITH, BUT IF YOU GIVE A PEN AND A DESIGN, YOU CAN ALL DAY LONG COME UP WITH SOME SORT OF DESIGN. 
          UM, AND THAT DOES WELL AND, AND IT WILL AFFECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I MEAN, IF IT'S FOR THE BETTER AND FOR AN ARCHITECT TO DESIGN IT, THAT WOULD BE NICE. 
          BUT SOMETIME WE JUST DON'T ALL GET THE NICE DESIGN. 
          THAT'S WHY IT REQUIRES SOME TYPE OF OVER- OVERSIGHT SUCH AS A COMMUNITY  SUBCOMMITTEE OR PLANNINGS TO KIND OF LIKE LOOK OVER AT ONE TIME BECAUSE WE DO GET THESE THINGS THAT LOOKED AT, WHETHER IT'S PLANNING, WHETHER IT'S A STAFF, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE NEEDS TO LOOK AT IT AND SAY, "YOU KNOW WHAT? WILL THIS DO OR WILL THIS NOT DO?" BECAUSE IF THERE'S NO - WELL, IT IS GETTING LOOKED AT BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO, TO PLANNING. 
          IT JUST, IT'S, THEN IT COMES TO A SECOND AREA, THEN IT COMES TO US. 
          LIKE WHERE THE PARENTS, OKAY, YOU DID A GOOD JOB. 
          IT'S OKAY, YOU CAN GO FORWARD NOW. 
          I MEAN, TO ME IT'S, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. 
          RIGHT, BUT TO COMMISSIONER HANG'S POINT, IF, UM, THE, THE PLANNING CODE DOESN'T, UM, SPECIFY MATERIAL TYPE. 
          SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE ROOF, FOR A POINT WHERE YOU GO FROM ONE ROOF TYPE TO ANOTHER, THERE'S NOTHING IN THE ZONING CODE THAT SAYS THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE SHINGLE. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE, THAT IS WHERE THE SUBCOMMITTEE COMES IN, BUT THAT'S WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR DIRECTION. 
          IF YOU WANNA CONTINUE TO REVIEW THESE REQUESTS, WE'LL GLADLY BRING THEM TO YOU. 
          UM, BUT FOR US, WE ARE GETTING A LOT OF APPLICATIONS COMING THROUGH AND WE'RE TRYING TO, AGAIN, STREAMLINE THIS. 
          AND SO WE'RE ASKING FOR DIRECTION ON, ON WHAT, UH, THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE US, HOW THEY WOULD LIKE US TO HANDLE THESE. 
          SO I, UH, I WAS GONNA COMMENT ON THIS BECAUSE I, I, I KIND OF AGREE WITH WHAT COMMISSIONER HANG IS SAYING. 
          UM, SOME CITIES HAVE, UH, VERY SPECIFIC MATERIAL LISTS THAT ARE PRE-APPROVED. 
          AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE SOMETHING ON THE PRE-APPROVED LIST, THEN YOU WOULD GET REFERRED TO PLANNING OR SOMETIMES IT'S CALLED ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW OR WHATEVER OR DESIGN REVIEW SUBCOMMITTEE. 
          THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT WE CALL IT HERE. 
          BUT, UM - I CALL IT OVERREACH. 
          BUT, UH, LOOK, ONE, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE ISSUES 
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THAT, THAT I SEE, UM, ON THIS IS, I MEAN, I, I, I THINK EVERYONE HERE CAN, CAN PROBABLY SAY, DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU'RE AT IN THIS CITY, THERE ARE SORT OF VERY UNIFORM STYLES OF SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE CONSTRUCTION. 
          AND THEN THERE ARE PARTS OF THE CITY WHERE EVERYTHING IS A CUSTOM HOME. 
          I MEAN, WITHOUT FAIL. 
          I, I, WHERE, WHERE I GREW UP, THERE IS NO TWO HOMES ALIKE. 
          A- A- AND I JUST, I, I LOOK AT THAT AND I, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, UH, TO, TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, SWITCHING FROM, UH, TILE ROOF TO SHINGLES IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD MAKES A BIT OF A DIFFERENCE, I, I, I, I THINK THAT'S COMPLETELY OFF BASE. 
          BUT I, I THINK IN THE CONTEXT OF, LET'S SAY, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE CITY WHERE THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE HOMES ARE, ARE VERY MUCH SIMILAR AND HAVE SIMILAR DESIGNS, UM, SOMETIMES, UH, SOMETIMES YOU HAVE RULES THAT ARE, THAT ARE GRANULAR THAT ARE BASED UPON THE COMMUNITY TO ENSURE THAT A CERTAIN STANDARD OF DESIGN IS, IS, IS KEPT IN THAT COMMUNITY BECAUSE THAT IS THE COMMUNITY STANDARD. 
          WHEREAS, AGAIN, I THINK THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE OLDER PART OF THE CITY, THERE IS NO STANDARD. 
          EVERYBODY DEVIATES, UH, AND, AND SORT OF DOES THEIR OWN THING. 
          SO AGAIN, I CAN KIND OF SEE BOTH SIDES OF THIS, OF, OF THIS ISSUE. 
          AND I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE AGAINST HAVING SOME SORT OF, UH, SOME SORT OF LIMITATION IN AREAS WHERE, UH, HOMES ARE ALL IDENTICAL AND TRACKED AND STYLE AND ALL OF THAT, WHEREAS THERE ARE, THERE ARE SOME AREAS WHERE THAT'S JUST NOT DOABLE. 
          AND, AND, AND SO I, I COULD, I, I'D LIKE TO SEE HOW THAT WOULD PLAY OUT, UM, AND, AND WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE AND YOU, AND, AND YOU GUYS AS STAFF ARE, ARE CAPABLE OF IDENTIFYING, UM, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC TRACKS THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, MEET A SINGLE, UH, A SINGULAR STANDARD THAT, THAT WE COULD HAVE IN THE CODE FOR YOU GUYS TO SAY, "YEAH, THIS, THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          IN THAT AREA, THIS IS PERMITTED." WHEREAS IN OTHER AREAS, IT'S, YOU DO WHAT YOU WANT BECAUSE THAT IS THE COMMUNITY STANDARD. 
          EVERYBODY DOES WHAT THEY WANT. 
          AND I, I CAN SAY THAT THEY'RE... 
          OR, OR UP ON, UH, UP, UP ON, UH, UH, HILLSIDE, UM, AND, AND ABOVE AND, AND EVEN SOME BELOW, THERE, THERE ARE HOMES THAT ARE ALL PRETTY IDENTICAL IN TERMS OF HOW THEY LOOK, NOT JUST ON THE SOUTH SIDE. 
          SO THAT MIGHT BE HOW YOU WOULD, UH, DELINEATE ON THAT. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          I DON'T THINK WE WANNA LIVE IN A CITY OF TRACK HOMES. 
          SO, I MEAN, I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, UH, TWO OR THREE HOUSES DOWN FROM ME, UH, THERE'S, UH, UH, A MANSION, A SMALL MANSION. 
          I MEAN, IT'S PROBABLY THREE TIMES THE SIZE OF ALL THEIR HOUSES ON THAT STREET, YOU KNOW? AND SO, UM, I DON'T REC - EVEN REMEMBER GETTING A NOTICE, BUT, UM, YEAH, SO IT DOESN'T OFFEND ME THAT SOMEBODY PUT A NICE OUT. 
          THERE'S NOT, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT GOING UP LIKE CRAZY. 
          BUT, UM, AGAIN, ALL THE HOUSES DON'T HAVE TO LOOK THE SAME. 
          I THINK EVERYBODY BOUGHT THEIR HOUSE, YOU KNOW, BOUGHT THEIR HOMES, WHICH, UH, I THINK WEST COMMUNITY HAS A LOT OF LONGTIME RESIDENTS AND THEN THEY BOUGHT THEIR HOMES BELIEVING THAT THIS WAS THEIR HOMES BEFORE A SUBCOMMITTEE WAS EVEN, YOU KNOW, ESTABLISHED THAT THEY COULD DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH THEIR HOME, THEIR HOME. 
          COMMISSIONER BENNETT. 
          I, I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH YOU. 
          I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF OVERREACH. 
          I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF SOMEONE TELLING ME AS A HOMEOWNER WHAT I CAN AND CAN'T DO. 
          THERE ARE LIMITS. 
          THERE ARE LIMITS. 
          YOU PAY A LOT OF MONEY FOR THE HOUSE EVEN IF YOU BOUGH IT NOT EVEN THAT LONG, NOT EVEN IF YOU'RE A LONG-TERM, YOU BOUGHT, YOU KNOW, THE HOUSE, HOUSES WAS GOOD LUCK FINDING SOMETHING UNDER 800,000. 
          GOOD LUCK. 
          SO, SO ON YOUR POINT, I, I AGREE. 
          I, I THINK TO COMMISSIONER HANG'S POINT, THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT HERE IN OUR CITY WHO BOUGHT IN THE 50S, IN THE 60S, IN THE 70S, WHO BOUGHT THIS AS THEIR, THEIR LIFE HOME, RIGHT? IT'S, IT'S THEIR FAMILY HOME, IT'S THEIR LIFE HOME. 
          MY PARENTS BOUGHT THEIR HOUSE IN 55. 
          SO THEY BOUGHT THEIR, THEIR HOME WHERE THEY'RE GONNA LIVE. 
          THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA RETIRE. 
          THEY MAY EVEN DIE IN THAT HOUSE. 
          WHO KNOWS? BUT IT'S THEIR CHOICE, IN MY OPINION, IF THEY WANT A TILE ROOF - WHAT'S NEXT? ARE WE GONNA GO AND TELL THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE OWNED THEIR HOUSE SINCE 1970, "HEY, WE DON'T LIKE YOUR HOUSE AS A MATCHING, BUT YOU BETTER REMODEL IT." WHERE DOES IT STOP? I, I DON'T CARE IF THEY HAVE A SHINGLE ROOF. 
          I DON'T CARE IF THEY HAVE A TILE ROOF. 
          I DON'T CARE IF THEY CHANGE IT. 
          AND TO BE HONEST, THOSE RETIREES, TO SHAYNA 
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HANK'S POINT, CAN'T PROBABLY AFFORD TO REPLACE A TILE ROOF BECAUSE IT IS SO EXPENSIVE AND THEY MAY BE ON A FIXED INCOME. 
          AND SO I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THEM CHANGING IT TO A SHINGLE. 
          AND TO COMMISSIONER LEWIS, CHAIR LEWIS'S POINT, OUR DESIGN STANDARD IN OUR CITY IS CRAZY. 
          MOST OF THESE PEOPLE DID NOT BUY IN AN HOA STYLE LIVING STYLE. 
          THEY BOUGHT A HOME. 
          IF THEY WANTED AN HOA STYLE, WHICH CONTROLLED THEIR ARCHITECTURE AND CONTROLLED THE PAINT ON THE HOUSE AND CONTROLLED THE ROOF STYLE, THEY WOULD'VE BOUGHT INTO AN HOA. 
          SO I, I WILL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO OPPOSE HOAS. 
          THERE'S PEOPLE WHO LOVE HOAS. 
          I CAN SEE BOTH SIDES, MUCH LIKE, MUCH LIKE, UH, CHAIR LEWIS POINTED OUT. 
          BUT I AGREE. 
          I, I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S A LITTLE OVERREACH HERE. 
          I, I DON'T THINK THAT WE NEED TO GET RID OF A SUBCOMMITTEE. 
          I THINK THERE'S THINGS WE DEFINITELY NEED TO LOOK AT. 
          BUT CHANGING FROM A STUCCO SIDING TO A VENEER SIDING, CHANGING FROM A WOOD SIDING TO A COMPOSITE SIDING, CHANGING TO WOOD SIDING TO A VENEER OR WHATEVER, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT I, I CARE THAT MUCH BECAUSE THE PEOPLE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA MATCH SIMILAR TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND ON THE, THE HOUSE FLIPPERS, THE CONTRACTORS THAT FLIP HOUSES, I HAVE YET TO SEE A CONTRACTOR FLIP A HOUSE THAT MADE A HOUSE LOOK WORSE THAN WHAT IT DID WHEN THEY BOUGHT IT. 
          UH, ALMOST EVERY TIME I'VE SEEN A HOUSE FLIP, IT HAS IMPROVED ITS CURB APPEAL IN SOME FASHION OR FORM, AND IT HASN'T TAKEN AWAY FROM A COMMUNITY'S NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO I, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT TO ME IS A VALID, IN MY OPINION, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S A VALID REASON TO HAVE TO PUSH EVERYTHING THROUGH, THROUGH SUBCOMMITTEE. 
          I THINK THAT THERE ARE DEFINITELY, TO CHAIR LEWIS'S POINT, AREAS IN OUR CITY THAT HAVE A DIFFERENT LOOK, UM, WERE BUILT AT A DIFFERENT TIME, BUILT IN THE 80S, BUILT IN THE 90S, WHATEVER IT MAY BE. 
          THERE ARE DEFINITELY LARGER HOUSES. 
          THERE ARE PROPERTIES THAT PEOPLE HAVE, YOU KNOW, BOUGHT AND BUILT BIGGER HOMES ON THAT DON'T FIT THE SIZE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THOSE ARE THINGS I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THAN I AM... 
          I, I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT BUYING A 900 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE AND PUTTING A 4,000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE ON IT. 
          THAT'S MORE WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT. 
          I DON'T CARE IF THEY HAVE A TILE OR ASPHALT ROOF. 
          I DON'T CARE IF THEY HAVE VENEER SIDING OR WOOD SIDING. 
          JUST MY OPINION. 
          PITO, UM - DON'T - EXCUSE ME. 
          OH. 
          OKAY, GO AHEAD. 
          SARAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO, UM, THE REASON FOR THIS, UH, CHANGE IS IT TO SAVE THE RESIDENTS MONEY AND TO SPEED ALONG THE PROCESS? BOTH OF THOSE, CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT BEING SAID, I MEAN, MAYBE IF WE CHANGE THE FEES, LIKE IF THEY WERE TO WAIT, THEN THEY CAN HAVE A DECREASED FEE. 
          AND IF THEY WANTED SOMETHING, I MEAN, I C - I'M FIVE MINUTES FROM HERE. 
          SHEENA'S PROBABLY A FEW MORE MINUTES THAN ME. 
          WE CAN DO A ZOOM OR SOMETHING IF IT'S - FEES ARE ESTABLISHED BY MASTER FEE SCHEDULE THAT WAS PUT INTO PLACE IN, UH, I BELIEVE, UH, BEGINNING TO MI - BEGINNING OF 24. 
          SO IT'S A FAIRLY NEW FEE SCHEDULE. 
          AND SO I, I JUST PULLED IT UP JUST TO GET YOUR PRECISE ANSWER ON THE FEES. 
          AND THE FEES ARE SET BY THE CITY COUNCIL, CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          SO DESIGN REVIEW, UM, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN HERE, IT SAYS DESIGN REVIEW WHEN THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL FLOOR AREA, SUBCOMMITTEE REVIEW IS 617 AND 71 CENTS. 
          FOR NON-FLOOR AREA, AREA REVISIONS, STAFF APPROVED $90.53. 
          SO THERE IS A SUBSTANTIAL, UH, CHANGE IN COST THERE OR DROP IN COST IF, UH, HALFWAY TO DO SOME OF THAT. 
          CAN YOU TELL ME THOSE ONE MORE TIME? YEAH, 617 AND 71 CENTS FOR SUBCOMMITTEE REVIEW. 
          STAFF APPROVAL IS $90.53. 
          AND IT - $90? $90.53. 
          AND I, I, WE WEREN'T HERE WHEN THIS MASTER FEE SCHEDULE WAS PUT INTO PLACE, BUT I BELIEVE THE ASSUMPTION, IT, IT DOESN'T CLEARLY MATCH THE ZONING CODE, BUT THE ASSUMPTION WAS THAT STAFF WOULD BE APPROVING THINGS THAT, UM, DID NOT INCREASE, INCREASE THE FLOOR AREA. 
          UM, AND THAT'S PART OF WHY WE'RE TRYING TO GET DIRECTION FROM, FROM, UM, THE COMMISSION HERE TONIGHT IS, YOU KNOW, A ROOF DOESN'T INCREASE THE FLOOR AREA. 
          MM-MM. 
          UM, MERGING TWO WINDOWS INTO ONE LARGE WINDOW DOESN'T INCREASE THE FLOOR AREA. 
          UM, AND WE, WE DON'T WANNA BOG YOU DOWN WITH, WITH THOSE APPLICATIONS. 
          IF, IF THERE'S JUST A FEW OF THESE THAT WE CAN TAKE OFF, UM, AND JUST, YOU KNOW, REVIEW THEM AT THE ADMIN, UH, LEVEL, IT WOULD SAVE US A LOT OF TIME. 
          WHERE'S THE LIST? I THINK SOME OF THE... 
          IT, IT'S, UM, THE CHECKLIST UP HERE. 
          UM, I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU MAY STILL WANNA CONSIDER REVIEWING, UH, POTENTIALLY EXTERIOR MATERIAL CHANGES. 
          WE ARE, WE DO SEE A LOT OF, UM, STONE VENEER HOMES THAT HAVE A REALLY NICE, AL- ALMOST LIKE A CRAFTSMAN LOOK, AND FOR WHATEVER REASON, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GETTING REPLACED WITH STUCCO. 
          AND STUCCO IS THAT REPETITIVE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THE ALTERNATIVE MATERIAL, UM, THE... 
          WE, WE DON'T HAVE DESIGN RE- RE - UH, GUIDELINES IN OUR, IN OUR CODE. 
           WE MAY WANT, WANNA WORK ON THAT IN THE FUTURE, BUT, UM, Y- YOU KNOW, REVIEWING THESE CHANGES CAN GIVE YOU THE ABILITY TO BRING BACK SOME OF THAT, UM, THAT QUALITY, THAT, THAT CRAFTSMANSHIP 
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TO HOMES, THAT, THAT UNIQUE LOOK THAT EACH HOME HAS. 
          SO ARE WE LOOKING TO MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT ON THAT? WE'RE LOOKING TO GET SOME DIRECTION. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHAT ARE THE ITEMS YOU THINK THAT WE SHOULD JUST - SO, UH, SO WINDOW REMOVAL, RELOCATION ADDITIONS, UM, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS THE ARCHITECTURAL, UM, UH, CHARACTERISTICS OF THE HOME ARE BEING CHANGED, YOU KNOW, STAFF WOULD BE COMFORTABLE REVIEWING THOSE AND APPROVING THOSE AT, AT THE LOWER FEE. 
          UM - WHAT, WHAT WOULD CAUSE STAFF TO DENY SOMETHING LIKE THAT, JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY? IF WE GAVE YOU GUYS THE AUTHORITY, WHAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD SEE STAFF SAYING, "THIS ISN'T GONNA WORK?" WHAT WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE? UM, THAT WOULD BE MORE I- IF SOMEBODY CAME IN AND THEY, THEY WENT WITH, THEY WANTED TO DO A FACADE ROO - UH, UH, A FACADE OF A HOME AND THEY WENT, THEY'RE LOOKING TO GO TO A VERY MODERN LOOKING HOME, A LOT OF METAL, GLASS, UM, SOMETHING YOU'D FIND IN, LIKE, SANTA MONICA, SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, THOSE CONVERSIONS, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY DENY. 
          UM, AND I THINK, UH, THE, THE SUBCOMMITTEE WOULD DENY AS WELL. 
          SO SOMETHING EXTREME, KIND OF? SOMETHING EXTREME, RIGHT? BUT THE WAY THE CODE IS WRITTEN RIGHT NOW, IT SAYS ANYTHING THAT, ANYTHING THAT'S VISIBLE FROM THE, UH, STREET RIGHT OF WAY HAS TO BE BROUGHT TO SUBCOMMITTEE. 
          SO WHEN, WHEN STAFF'S LOOKING AT, LET'S SAY, A, A JOINING OF TWO WINDOWS OR A SEPARATION OF A BIG WINDOW, YOU'RE ALSO LOOKING AT, DOES IT FIT THE NEIGHBORHOOD A LITTLE BIT WHEN YOU MAKE THOSE DECISIONS? IS THAT FAIR TO SAY? UH, TO SOME EXTENT WE ARE, BUT WE'RE ALSO, WE'RE PLACING, WE'RE PLACING OURSELVES ON THE SIDEWALK, AND IF IT'S GONNA BE VISIBLE FROM WHERE WE'RE STANDING, WE HAVE TO BRING IT TO SUBCOMMITTEE. 
          RIGHT. 
          LET'S SAY WE GAVE YOU THE POWER TO MAKE THAT DECISION. 
          WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND MAKE DECISIONS THAT WAY AS WELL? IN THAT SCENARIO, IF THE ARCHITECTURAL, UM, CHARACTER OF THAT HOME ISN'T CHANGING, THEN WE WOULD APPROVE IT. 
          NOW, IF THEY SAID WE'RE GONNA MERGE THIS WINDOW AND THEN WE'RE GONNA CHANGE THIS WALL INTO A, LIKE A RUST STYLE METAL WALL, CORRUGATED WALL WITH A, WITH GLASS FINISH OR SOMETHING, THEN YEAH, WE WOULD PROBABLY BRING IT TO SUBCOMMITTEE. 
          SO THERE'S STILL SOME LIMITS? MM-HMM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO GO AHEAD. 
          FINISH WHAT YOU WERE SAYING. 
          YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WHAT, WHAT THE ITEMS YOU - OH . 
          THE LIST. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, THE LIST. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, SO WINDOW REMOVAL, RELOCATION ADDITIONS, UH, RE - UH, WINDOW REPLACEMENT, SO THE SIZE OR CONFIGURATION CHANGES. 
          RELOCATION OF THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE, UH, OR CREATING A NEW ENTRYWAY. 
          MODIFICATION OR REMOVAL OF A FRONT PORCH. 
          WE GET THOSE A LOT AS WELL. 
          UM, SO SOMEONE WANTS TO BUILD A, AN ENTRY PORCH. 
          UM, UH, CHANGES TO AN ATTACHED GARAGE DOOR. 
          UH, CHANGES TO ARCHITECTURAL, TO CHANGES TO EXTERIOR ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS SUCH AS ADDING SHUTTERS TO WINDOWS OR DELETING SHUTTERS FROM WINDOWS, UM, OR ENLARGING OR REPLACING ENTRYWAY DOORS TO ADD SIDELIGHTS. 
          UH, ROOF MATERIAL, AGAIN, AS WE EXPLAINED EARLIER, IF YOU'RE GOING FROM A, UM, FROM A, UM, CLAY TILE ROOF TO A SHINGLE. 
          AND, UH, WE HIGHLIGHTED THE BIG ONE IS THE EXTERIOR, EXTERIOR MATERIAL, SOMEONE THAT'S REMOVING STONE VENEER, UM, OR SIDING AND GOING STRAIGHT OUT TO STUCCO. 
          UM, IT DOES HAPPEN THE OTHER WAY AROUND, BUT WE SEE MOSTLY THE REMOVAL OF, UM, THESE KIND OF HISTORIC STYLE FINISHES FOR, UH, STUCCO. 
          UM, SECOND STORY ADDITIONS THAT ARE BEHIND AN EXISTING SECOND STORY. 
          SO A SECOND STORY DOES, WILL BE COMING A SUBCOMMITTEE. 
          UM, BUT IF SOMEONE WANTS TO EXPAND ON THE BACKSIDE OF THAT SECOND STORY, UM, ALTHOUGH IT PARTIALLY MAY BE VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY, UH, WE FEEL THAT THAT MAY BE SOMETHING, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, STAFF CAN REVIEW AND, AND, AND APPROVE ADMINISTRATIVELY. 
          UM, THE ADDITION TO THE SITE OF A HOME, UH, OR A BUMP OUT ADDITION AS THEY CALL IT, AND WE'VE KIND OF COME UP WITH A NUMBER. 
          UM, WE'VE ESTIMATE, WE'VE, WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS. 
          WE'VE, WE'VE, UM, WE BELIEVE THAT IF, UH, THE LINEAR LENGTH OF A HOME, IF THEY'RE NOT BUMPING OUT MORE THAN 20% OF WHAT THAT LINEAR LENGTH IS, THAT, UM, STAFF COULD POTENTIALLY REVIEW AND APPROVE THAT. 
          AND THE CONDITION WILL BE THAT IT MATCHES THE EXISTING, UH, ARCHITECT - UH, ARCHITECTURAL FINISH OF THE HOME, AND THEN A CHANGE IN A ROOF PITCH. 
          SO- SO ARE THERE... 
          I'M SORRY. 
          GO, GO AHEAD. 
          ARE THERE ANY OTHER ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON THAT LIST THAT WOULD COME TO US? ARE THOSE THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO BE ABLE TO APPROVE BY STAFF? SO IF WE GO TO, UM, WHAT COMES TO YOU... 
          SO THI- THIS IS, UM, ITEM NUMBER SIX, THAT IS THE, THE VAGUE ONE. 
          ANY MODIFICATIONS THAT ARE RE - THAT ARE READILY VISIBLE FROM PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. 
          YOU'LL STILL REVIEW ALL NEW CONSTRUCTION FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. 
          UM, ANY STRUCTURAL ADDITIONS OR MODIFICATIONS ON THE FRONT ELEVATION OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. 
          UM, IT, IT WOULDN'T... 
          PART OF WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING IS A PATIO, THE PORCH. 
          THE, THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY STRUCTURAL. 
          THEY'RE MORE, YOU KNOW, 
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UM, LIKE, UM, ARCHITECTURAL DESIGNS. 
          UM, NEW SECOND STORY ADDITIONS TO ONE STORY HOME. 
          UH, NEW SECOND STORY ADDITIONS TO TWO STORY HOMES WITH THE EXCEPTION, AS I MENTIONED, UH, UH, IF THE ADDITION IS BEHIND THAT EXISTING, UM, SECOND STORY ADDITION. 
          AND IT ALSO SAYS NEW BALCONIES. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, AND WE'RE READING THE LETTER OF THIS CODE, THIS NEW BALCONIES, WHETHER IT'S ON THE BACK, ON THE SIDE OR THE FRONT. 
          SO THAT MAY BE ANOTHER ONE WE WANT TO, UM, DISCUSS. 
          DO YOU WANNA SEE A BALCONY, UM, ON THE BACKSIDE OF A HOUSE? UH, POTENTIALLY ON THE SIDE YARD OR THE FRONT YARD, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT COULD COME. 
          BUT IF THEY'RE ADDING A NEW BALCONY ON THE REAR, ON THE REAR YARD BECAUSE THEY HAVE A, A SLOPE OR A POOL OR SOMETHING THAT THEY WANNA, UH, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, UM, OF THE VIEW, YOU KNOW, SO, SO THOSE, UM, A, A COMBINATION OF THOSE ITEMS WILL BE BROUGHT, CONTINUE TO BE BROUGHT TO SUBCOMMITTEE. 
          I THINK THAT'S, THAT SOUNDS GOOD. 
          I THINK THAT'S ACCEPTABLE. 
          OKAY. 
          A LOT OF THE ITEMS ON THAT LIST LOOK LIKE THEY WERE... 
          I MEAN, WE DON'T NEED TO, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY $600 FOR WINDOWS. 
          JUST TELL US IF THEY CAN PUT A BIGGER WINDOW. 
          I MEAN, YOU OBVIOUSLY, THAT'S SOMETHING THE STAFF IS VERY CAPABLE OF. 
          IT SEEMS EXCESSIVE TO BRING IT TO SUBCOMMITTEE. 
          SO I THINK THE LIST, TO ME, LOOKS ACCEPTABLE. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I, I, I THINK THIS LIST KIND OF ENCAPSULATES WHAT, WHAT I WAS SPEAKING ABOUT WHEN I REFERRED TO OPTION THREE. 
          THE ONLY THING THAT I HAVE SOME TREPIDATION ABOUT IS WITH REGARD TO SECOND STORY ADDITIONS, AND BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT WE'VE SEEN ISSUES COME UP AMONGST NEIGHBORS WHERE, UM, YOU KNOW, WINDOW PLACEMENT CAN BE AN ISSUE, PRIVACY, ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT, THAT, THAT PEOPLE BRING UP. 
          SO THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT STAYS WITH DESIGN REVIEW SUBCOMMITTEE. 
          UM, AND, AND AGAIN, MAYBE, MAYBE WHAT WE COULD DO IS POTENTIALLY, UM, HAVE, HAVE THAT BE SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE GIVEN SOME DISCRETION ON, BUT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE IS, YOU KNOW, SOME CONCERN OVER THE PRIVACY ISSUE, THEN IT, IT DOES GO TO DESIGN REVIEW. 
          BE- BEYOND THAT, I THINK ALL OF THESE SHOULD BE, UH, STAFF LEVEL APPROVAL. 
          UM, I, I THINK, I THINK THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE, AND, AND AGAIN, UH, THIS IS CERTAINLY NOT A COMMITMENT FROM ME THAT I WOULD GO IN FAVOR OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS, BUT POTENTIALLY LOOKING AT, UH, MATERIALS LIMITATIONS IN CERTAIN AREAS WHERE, UM, WHERE THERE IS A DESIGN STANDARD. 
          UM, AND WHEN I SAY DESIGN STANDARD, I MEAN, LIKE, THERE... 
          THE, THE DEVELOPERS ALL BASICALLY BUILT CARBON COPIES OF, OF HOMES A- AND, YOU KNOW, CHANGING THINGS SUBSTANTIALLY FROM, FROM THAT WOULD SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          BUT AGAIN, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ANYTHING THAT WAS BUILT PAST ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW, S - 19- 1978, I THINK, IS, IS WHEN WE STARTED BUILDING UP THE HILLSIDE, AND THEN YOU HAD, I THINK, WAS IT... 
          AND, AND FORGIVE ME IF I'M, IF I'M OFF BY A YEAR OR TWO, BUT I THINK SOUTHSIDE WAS, WHAT, 81, IF MEMORY SERVES ME RIGHT, WHEN THAT STARTED GOING IN? I MEAN, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THOSE AREAS SPECIFICALLY HAVE A CERTAIN CHARACTER AND IT MIGHT BE WORTHWHILE, UM, MIGHT BE WORTHWHILE HAVING, UH, LIMIT - MATERIALS LIMITATIONS SPECIFICALLY AS TO THOSE DEVELOPMENTS ONLY, UM, AND, AND THE ONES THAT ARE OBVIOUSLY DESIGNED AS, AS PART OF PRECISE PLANS, BECAUSE, WELL, WE DON'T WANNA... 
          WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GONNA DEVIATE FROM WHAT A PRECISE PLAN THAT, THAT WE APPROVED, UH, HAS AS FAR AS MATERIALS. 
          WE'VE ALL REVIEWED THOSE MATERIAL PACKETS BEFORE, AND WE'VE INGRAINED THOSE IN THE PRECISE PLANS TO BEGIN WITH. 
          BUT WITH, WITH THAT EXCEPTION, WITH THOSE TWO EXCEPTIONS, AND THOSE ARE REALLY THE ONLY ONES I CAN THINK OF OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, LARGELY SPEAKING, THERE'S, THERE'D BE NOTHING WRONG WITH HAVING, UM, HAVING THAT JUST BE OWNER DISCRETION AND, FRANKLY, STAFF DISCRETION. 
          I MEAN, IF, IF SOMEBODY'S PUTTING PLASTIC ON THEIR, UH, ON THEIR PROPERTY, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE NECESSARILY GONNA GO WITH THAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, UM, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I WOULD SUSPECT YOU GUYS WOULD, WOULD SAY, "THAT'S GONNA GO TO DESIGN REVIEW AND THEY CAN MAKE A, MAKE A DECISION ON." SO, THAT WOULD BE WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST BRINGING BACK, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, WE CAN HAVE A FUR - A FURTHER DISCUSSION. 
          UH, ONE OTHER THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT, THOUGH, UM, AND, AND I DON'T THINK THAT THIS HAS BEEN AN ISSUE, BUT, UM, I DID NOTICE IN OUR CODE WE DON'T HAVE A TIME LIMITATION ON THE TIME FOR DESIGN REVIEW SUBCOMMITTEE TO ACTUALLY CONSIDER, 
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UM, UH, CONSIDER AN APPLIC - AN APPLICATION. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S BEEN A PROBLEM. 
          I THINK THAT, THAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB OF, OF BRINGING THINGS THROUGH, UH, WITHIN, YOU KNOW, SORT OF A TWO WEEK PERIOD OR SO, PLUS OR MINUS. 
          BUT, UH, I'D, I'D LIKE TO SEE A HARD CAP ON THAT. 
          I'VE SEEN SOME CITIES THAT HAVE, LIKE, 30, 35 DAY LIMITATIONS AND THEN PRESUMPTIVE APPROVAL AT THAT POINT IN TIME. 
          UM, I, I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO BE DISCOURAGED FROM BUILDING BECAUSE WE HAVE A BUREAUCRACY THAT DOESN'T FUNCTION. 
          I'M NOT SAYING WE HAVE THAT NOW, BUT IF WE HAVE THAT IN THE FUTURE, I DON'T WANT, UM, I DON'T WANT ANY HOMEOWNERS OR BUILDERS TO, TO HAVE TO SACRIFICE BECAUSE OF THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER BENNETT. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, I, I, I AGREE WITH YOU, CHAIR LEWIS. 
          I, I THINK ANYTHING RELATED TO A SECOND STORY WE SHOULD PUT THROUGH DESIGN REVIEW. 
          AND, AND YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT ABOUT WINDOWS, NEIGHBORS, AND POOLS, AND, YOU KNOW, ALL KINDS OF STUFF. 
          WE'VE SEEN THAT EVEN WITH THE PRECISE PLANS FOR NEW DEVELOPMENTS, BEING NEXT TO EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS, THERE WAS CONCERNS ABOUT SECOND STORY. 
          SO I THINK ANYTHING RELATED TO A SECOND STORY SHOULD BE TALKED ABOUT AT THE DESIGN REVIEW. 
          MY, MY THING THAT I SUPPORT NOT HAVING GO DESIGN REVIEW IS JUST A SIMPLE VENEER FINISH, STUCCO FINISH, UM, ROOFING, PORCHES, DOOR MOVAL, WINDOW MOVE. 
          I, I DON'T SEE WHY THAT NEEDS TO GO THROUGH A DESIGN REVIEW AND, AND PENALIZE THE HOMEOWNER 500, $600 MORE JUST TO DO THAT. 
          SO TO ME, THAT'S A PENALIZATION TO THE HOMEOWNER. 
          I THINK THAT STAFF IS MORE THAN CAPABLE OF MAKING THOSE APPROVALS, BUT ANYTHING SECOND STORY, EVEN A BALCONY, I, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A DESIGN REVIEW. 
          I THINK IT SHOULD BE AN OPTION AS WELL FOR THE, UH, RESIDENTS IF THEY DO GET A DENIAL FROM PLANNING AND THEY WANT IT TO GO TO SUBCOMMITTEE, THAT WOULD BE AN OPTION FOR THEM TO HAVE IT, AN APPEAL. 
          AGREED. 
          A- APPEALS TO, UH, DIRECTOR DESIGNEE GO STRAIGHT PLANNING COMMISSION SO THEY WOULD COME BACK TO YOU GUYS. 
          YES. 
          DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO GIVE STAFF DIRECTION? I THINK WE'RE KIND OF IN THAT SENSE. 
          NO, IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE, UM, EVERYTHING WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SECOND STORY ADDITIONS, UM, WOULD BE, UH, REVIEWED AND PROCESSED AT THE ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL. 
          THAT INCLUDES, UH, WINDOW REMOVALS, RELOCATION OF WINDOWS, WINDOW ADDITIONS, THE REPLACEMENT OF WINDOWS, UM, IN TERMS OF SIZE AND CONFIGURATION, RELOCATION OF PRIMARY ENTRANCE AND NEW ENTRYWAYS, MODIFICATIONS OR REMOVAL OF A FRONT PORCH, CONSTRUCTION AND MODIFICATION OF A COVERED PORCH, CHANGES TO AN ATTACHED GARAGE DOOR, WHETHER IT'S CHANGING THE MATERIAL OR EXPANDING THE SIZE, UM, CHANGES TO EXTERIOR EX - ARCHITECTURE, EXTERIOR ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS, SUCH AS ADDING SHUTTERS TO WINDOWS OR REMOVING SHUTTERS FROM WINDOWS, ENLARGING OR REPLACING ENTRY DOORWAYS TO ADD SIDELIGHTS OR SIMILAR, ROOF MATERIALS. 
          SO THAT WOULD MEAN GOING FROM CLAY ROOFS TO SHINGLES, VICE VERSA, OR GOING TO A METAL STYLE ROOF, UM, ADDITIONS TO A HOME ON THE SIDE THAT EQUATES A LESS THAN 20% OF THE, OF THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT WITH, UH, WHAT WE CALL OUT BUMP OUT ADDITIONS, UM, PROVIDED, OF COURSE, THAT THEY MATCH THE ARCHITECTURAL, UM, UH, THEME OF THE HOME, CHANGES IN ROOF PITCH AS WELL, PROVIDED THAT IT'S NOTHING EXTREME, UM, THAT IT'S, UM, THAT IT DOESN'T, THAT IT MATCHES WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH SIMILAR IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, THE OTHER ONE THAT WE KIND OF TOUCHED ON IS THE EXTERIOR MATERIALS GOING FROM STONE VENEER TO, UH, OR SIDING TO STUCCO. 
          AS WE MENTIONED, WE SEE A LOT OF THOSE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, UM, THAT... 
          IT, IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE SOME ARCHITECTURAL, UM, DESIGN CRITERIA IN THE FUTURE. 
          WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN PLACE NOW. 
          UM, THAT MAY BE ONE YOU WANNA CONSIDER STILL HAVING DESIGN REVIEW, UM, TAKE A LOOK AT, BUT WE, WE DO GET A LOT OF THOSE AND WE DO GO, YOU KNOW, UH, AS YOU MENTIONED, PEOPLE ARE PULLING OFF OLD WOOD AND INSTEAD OF PUTTING IN NEW WOOD, THEY'LL, THEY'LL JUST GO STUCCO. 
          UM, BUT IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, SOMETIMES THAT HAS TO DO WITH SOMEBODY PULLING, UH, LEDGER STONE GOING STUCCO, A HOUSE THAT LOOKS REALLY NICE AND HAS A, A LITTLE BIT OF A CRAFTSMAN TWIST TO IT, AND THEN IT JUST GOES STUCCO. 
          UM, NOT THAT STUCCO IS, YOU KNOW, IT, IT CAN BE A LITTLE BLAND, UM, BUT IT CERTAINLY HAS LONGEVITY AND IT'S TIME TESTED. 
          UM, BUT THAT'S ONE THEN YOU STILL WANT TO NOT HAVE SUBCOMMITTEE REVIEW. 
          THAT WOULD BE STILL AT THE ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL. 
          OKAY, SO GOING FROM ANY TYPE OF EXTERIOR MATERIAL TO STUCCO WOULD BE REVIEWED AND APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY. 
          CAN, CAN YOU ELABORATE TOO ON... 
          SO YOU MENTIONED ATTACHED GARAGE DOOR. 
          I'M ASSUMING THAT'S A GARAGE THAT'S PART OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE HOUSE. 
          NO, NO, JUST - THAT INCLUDE A, A DETACHED GARAGE, GARAGE DOOR. 
          UH, UH, WELL, THE WAY THE CODE, AGAIN, IF THE LETTER OF THE LAW SAYS, UH, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, THIS... 
          SO WE WOULD STILL, WE WOULDN'T APPLY NECESSARILY TO AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. 
          SO THE DETACHED 
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GARAGE, WHICH ARE USUALLY TOWARDS, UH, OR BEHIND THE HOME, BUT STILL VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. 
          WE MAY NOT APPLY IT TO, UM, THE SUBCOMMITTEE. 
          I DON'T BELIEVE WE'VE EVER BROUGHT A, A DETACHED GARAGE TO SUBCOMMITTEE FOR REVIEW. 
          BUT IF IT'S ATTACHED TO THE HOUSE, THEN IT'S, IT'S PART OF THE HOUSE FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES. 
          'CAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF DETACHED GARAGES, ESPECIALLY IN THE OLDER PART OF THE CITY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO SEE, BECAUSE I NOTICED IT KEEPS USING THE WORD ATTACHED, SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS UNDERSTOOD. 
          SO DETACHED DOES NOT FALL UNDER DESIGN REVIEW. 
          R- RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          IT'S, IT'S AN ATTACHED GARAGE BECAUSE IT'S... 
          AND THAT ATTACHED GARAGE IS BY, IT'S A HOUSE. 
          WOULD THAT APPLY TO A SECOND STORY? I KNOW THERE'S OTHER BUILDING ISSUES, BUT WOULD THAT APPLY TO A SECOND STORY ON A DETACHED GARAGE AS WELL? WE HAVEN'T ALLOWED A SECOND STORY IN AN ATTACHED GARAGE. 
          GOTCHA. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'M JUST CURIOUS. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, YEAH, WE WILL HAVE AN INTERNAL MEMO AND WHAT WE WILL REMOVE IS THE SECOND STORY ADDITIONS. 
          THOSE WILL CONTINUE COMING WHETHER THEY'RE, UM, BEHIND THE EXISTING SECOND STORY OR NOT. 
          AND, UH, THE OTHER, THE OTHER ITEMS, BALCONIES AS WELL IS, UH, ONE OF THE ITEMS. WE'LL CONTINUE BRINGING THOSE TO SUBCOMMITTEE BALCONIES. 
          OR ARE YOU JUST INTERESTED IN BALCONIES THAT ARE STREET FACING OR SIDE YARD FACING? I THINK ALL. 
          YOU JUST WANT STREET FACING BALCONIES? IS EVERYONE - I WOULD THINK ALL, BECAUSE YOU COULD HAVE A PRIVACY ISSUE FOR A NEIGHBORING, UH, PERSON WHO HAS A POOL. 
          SO I THINK THE, I THINK ALL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'LL CONTINUE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE ONLY MODIFICATION THEN WILL BE TO THAT SIXTH ITEM THAT SAYS ANY MODIFICATIONS THAT ARE READY, READILY VISIBLE. 
          WE'LL MODIFY THIS CHECKLIST SO THAT IT, WE, WE DELETE THAT SECOND STORY AND, UM, HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL PROCESS THESE A LITTLE... 
          WELL, NOT HOPEFULLY, WE WILL PROCESS THESE A LITTLE FASTER. 
          I'M SURE APPLICANTS WILL BE GRATEFUL. 
          AND, UM, WE'LL STILL HAVE PROJECTS FOR YOU. 
          I MEAN, WE STILL GET A LOT OF, UM, A LOT OF ADDITIONS COMING THROUGH. 
          AND, AND RE- REAL QUICK, I, I DID WANNA MENTION THAT IF, IF WE'RE MAKING THE MODIFICATION TO THE CODE ON THIS, IN THE EVENT THAT SOMETHING IS COMING UP ON A REPETITIVE BASIS, THAT YOU GUYS CAN BRING THAT BACK POTENTIALLY ON CONSENT CALENDAR FOR US TO GIVE US AN, UH, TO GIVE AN UP OR DOWN AS TO WHETHER OR NOT IT'S A STAFF LEVEL APPROVAL OR, OR WHETHER OR NOT IT REMAINS A DESIGN REVIEW SUBCOMMITTEE. 
          IF, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE. 
          AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE GIVEN, GIVEN WIDER NOTICE OR NOT. 
          WELL, SO BRINGING IT ON CONSENT, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT PUTTING ON CONSENT JUST A LIST OF HE- HERE ARE APPROVALS THAT HAVE BEEN ISSUED, FYI? UH, HERE ARE CHANGE TYPES THAT, UM, THAT, THAT ARE NOW PERMITTED AT STAFF LEVEL. 
          UM - OH, OKAY. 
          YES, YOU COULD PUT THAT ON CONSENT. 
          I, I, I, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A, AN EASY THING BECAUSE, UH, SOMETHING, SOMETHING'S GOING TO COME UP AT SOME POINT IN TIME, I'M SURE. 
          AND I'M SURE THEY'RE GONNA END UP SEEING IT. 
          THEY'RE GONNA BE LIKE, "WHY ARE WE DOING THIS ONE? THIS SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, SHOULD JUST BE OVER THE COUNTER AND, AND NOT AN ISSUE." AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IF, IF AT THAT POINT IN TIME IT CAN COME BACK TO ALL OF US AND WE CAN ALL VOTE ON THAT, ADDING IT AS A STAFF LEVEL APPROVAL, I THINK THAT MAKES A HECK OF A LOT OF SENSE JUST FROM A LOGISTICAL STANDPOINT. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, SO WE'LL ROLL THIS OUT AS AN INTERNAL DIRECTOR'S MEMO, AND THEN ANY MODIFICATIONS TO YOUR POINT, IF WE SEE SOMETHING COMING THROUGH THAT WE SAY, "WE DON'T NEED TO LOOK AT THIS." WE'LL THEN AMEND THAT AND BRING IT TO YOU JUST FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          SOUNDS GOOD. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT BEFORE WE MOVE ON? MOVE ON BEFORE THE ALARM CLOCK GOES OFF IN THE MORNING, PLEASE. 
           ALL RIGHT. 
          NEXT, NEXT UP. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER REPORTS, COMMENTS, MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING TO REPORT OR OFFER, OFFER COMMENTS ON? NO. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SEEING NONE. 
          UH, WE'LL GO 
          [COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR'S REPORT]
ON TO COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR'S REPORT. 
          UH, WE HAVE TWO UPCOMING COMMUNITY EVENTS, THE FESTIVAL OF FRIGHTS, WHICH IS SATURDAY, OCTOBER 24TH FROM 4:00 TO 9:00 IN HISTORIC DOWNTOWN WEST COVINA ON SOUTH GLENDORA AVENUE. 
          WE HAVE THE VETERANS DAY HONORING ALL WHO SERVED EVENT ON WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 11TH FROM 11:00 AM TO 1:00 PM IN THE WEST COVINA CIVIC CENTER. 
          UM, AND, UM, CHAIR, I DID HAVE AN UPDATE FOR YOU REGARDING, UM, YOUR REQUEST FOR THE JOINT MEETING. 
          UH, IT WAS COMMUNICATED TO THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND COMMUNITY SERVICES DEPUTY DIRECTOR, UM, THAT, THAT MEETING WAS REQUESTED. 
          HOWEVER, UM, BASED ON, UH, UH, UH, WHAT'S IT, UM, MEDIA OUTPUT, UH, OUTPUT THAT WAS, UH, RELEASED THIS WEEKEND, THEY'VE IDENTIFIED THE SOURCE OF, UH, THE FIRES AT, AT GOUSSER PARK. 
          I HEARD THAT. 
          WHICH WAS, UH - YEAH, I, I DID HEAR ABOUT THAT, BUT THAT, THAT DOESN'T, THAT'S NOT A RISK MITIGATION THING THAT - NO, BUT, UM, THE, THE DETERMINATION WAS THAT, THAT, THAT ISSUE'S BEEN RESOLVED BECAUSE THE INVESTIGATION I- IDENTIFIED ARSON AS, AS A SOLE REASON FOR THOSE FIRES. 
          UM, AND SO I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU. 
          ADDITIONALLY, UM, COMMUNITY SERVICES HAS INFORMED 
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US THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO REACTIVATE SOME OF THE, UM, SERVICES AT THE PARK. 
          UM, I THINK THE WILDLIFE OR THE, UH, NATURE CENTER, THEY'RE TRYING TO REVITALIZE THAT, GET MORE PEOPLE THERE AT THE FACILITY, A LITTLE MORE TRAFFIC, UM, TO REDUCE SOME OF THOSE ISSUES. 
          UM, THEY'RE REFURBISHING SOME OF THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT THERE TO DRAW MORE FAMILIES, MORE PEOPLE THERE TO TRY TO MITIGATE SOME OF THOSE ISSUES. 
          SO THAT WAS, WE WANTED TO RELAY THAT TO YOU. 
          UM - WAS THE MAN A RESIDENT OR A HOMELESS PERSON? UM, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE. 
          I, I, I HAVEN'T SEEN THE, THE, THE MEDIA, UH, THAT WAS RELEASED, BUT THAT WAS THE DETERMINATION THAT IT WAS CAUSED BY, BY ARSON. 
          PRESS RELEASE DIDN'T STATE IT. 
          OH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THAT DOES, UM, THAT'S ALL THAT WE HAVE FOR RE - TO REPORT TONIGHT. 
          ALL, ALL I CAN SAY IS THAT'S, UH, THAT'S A HIGHLY DISAPPOINTING, UH, MOVE BY, BY STAFF. 
          UM, IT SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT THE LEADERSHIP IN THE CITY. 
          THAT'S ALL THAT THAT SAYS TO ME. 
          THAT'S VERY DISAPPOINTING. 
          REALISTICALLY, IF YOU'RE GONNA KILL SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AT LEAST TELL EVERYONE TO THEIR FACES. 
          SO ANYWAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ON THAT NOTE, UM, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE, UH, FROM THE CITY COUNCIL TO REPORT? NO. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SEEING NONE, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND ADJOURN THE MEETING AT 8:38 PM. 
          HAVE A GOOD NIGHT, EVERYONE.
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