* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. OKAY, [00:00:02] WE ARE, [Call to Order] THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS CALLED TO ORDER HER. WE WILL NOW TAKE A MOMENT FOR SI SILENT PRAYER AND MEDIATION, FOLLOWED BY THE PLEASURE ALLEGIANCE BY COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS. READY, BEGIN OUR PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, WHICH STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE OR ALL. PAULINA, CAN YOU PLEASE TAKE ROLL CALL? YES. UH, COMMISSIONER, HANG RIGHT HERE. UH, COMMISSIONER LEWIS DID MENTION HE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ATTEND THIS EVENING. AND THEN COMMISSIONER BERA HERE. UH, VICE CHAIR WILLIAMS, PRESENT. CHAIR GUTIERREZ HERE. THANK YOU. [APPROVAL OF MINUTES] NOW WE'LL GO TO APPROVAL OF MINUTES TONIGHT. WE HAVE MINUTES IN A REGULAR MEETING ON JUNE 27TH, 2023. AFTER READING THE MINUTES, I NOTICED SOME CORRECTIONS NEEDED TO BE DONE, UH, ON, IN REGARDS TO WHO NOMINATED, UH, THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR OF THE COMMISSION. AND, UH, AND INSTEAD OF COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS NOMINATING THE, ORIGINALLY WERE NOMINATING THE CHAIR, IT WOULD BE COMMISSIONER LEWIS, UH, WHO NOMINATED, UH, ORIGINALLY MADE THE MOTION TO NOMINATE THE CHAIR. AND, UH, DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER CHANGES THEY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE? NO. NO. THE MINUTES. AND, OKAY, SO THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED AS AMENDED ORAL ORAL COMMUNICATIONS. WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA? WE'RE NOT. WILL NOW MOVE ON TO PUBLIC HEARINGS. WE HAVE NO PUBLIC HEARINGS ITEMS TONIGHT, SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO [2. Study Session - Design Review Subcommittee Guidelines] NON-HEARING ITEMS WHO WILL PRESENT THE STAFF REPORT. GOOD EVENING. UH, CHAIR, UH, OUR PLANNING MANAGER, JOANNE BURNS, WILL BE PROVIDING THE PRESENTATION THIS EVENING. GOOD EVENING CHAIR, HONORABLE CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THE ITEM BEFORE YOU IS A SE IS A STUDY SESSION OF THE DESIGN REVIEW SUBCOMMITTEE GUIDELINES. THE DE THE DESIGN REVIEW SUBCOMMITTEE IS IN THE CITY'S MUNICIPAL CODE AS TWO MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT, UM, IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING, UM, ADVISORY DECISIONS ON SUBCOMMITTEE DESIGN REVIEW APPLICATIONS. AND THIS ITEM IS BEING PRESENTED BEFORE YOU, UM, BECAUSE THE LAST STUDY SESSION THAT WAS DELIVERED OR MADE TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION OCCURRED IN MARCH OF 2019. AND IN ORDER TO STAY CURRENT WITH CONSTRUCTION TRENDS, IT IS BENEFICIAL TO REVIEW THE DESIGN REVIEW GUIDELINES EVERY THREE TO FIVE YEARS, UM, AND PRESENT IT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION SO THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN ADVISE STAFF ON WHICH ITEMS IN THE GUIDELINES, UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION FIELDS SHOULD RE, UM, BE RETAINED OR BE REMOVED OR, OR IN, OR ADDITIONAL ITEMS BE PLACED. THE DESIGN REVIEW GUIDELINES WERE, WERE CREATED IN ORDER TO BE MORE TRANSPARENT TO THE PUBLIC AND WHETHER IT'S THE PROP, WHETHER IT'S PROPERTY OWNERS, DESIGNERS, OR ARCHITECTS, SO THAT WE WOULD LET THEM KNOW SPECIFIC DIRECTION, PROVIDE THEM SPECIFIC DIRECTION ON WHICH RESIDENT RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS WILL LIKELY BE APPROVED IF CERTAIN ITEMS ARE DESIGNED A CERTAIN WAY BASED ON THE GUIDELINES. [00:05:01] SO ACCORDING TO THE WEST COVINA MUNICIPAL CODE, THERE ARE SUBCOMMITTEE REVIEW, SUBCOMMITTEE DESIGN REVIEW, APPLICATION REVIEW THRESHOLDS, AND THOSE THRESHOLDS ARE, THOSE SIX THRESHOLDS ARE INCLUDED IN THE PROJECTOR ABOVE. UM, THEY'RE FOUR NEW SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE RESIDENCES. ANY ADDITIONS OR MODIFICATIONS IN THE, IN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, TWO STORY ADDITIONS. UM, NEW TWO STORY HOMES, BALCONIES, OR ANY MODIFICATION THAT ONE CAN SEE STANDING IN FRONT OF THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, SIDEWALK OR STREET. UM, THERE ARE FIVE REVIEW CRITERIA IDENTIFIED IN THE WEST COVINA CODE. UM, IT RANGES FROM, UH, THE TYPES, IT RANGES FROM, UM, BUILDING MATERIALS IN COLOR SCHEME, UM, TO U UTIL UTILIZING, UM, A DESIGN THAT'S HARMONIOUS AND THAT THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, IT'S, WE'RE LOOKING AT NEIGHBORHOOD COMPATIBILITY AND GOOD OVERALL DESIGN. UM, ONE OF THE ITEMS, AND I, I'LL GO AHEAD AND, AND IN SHOW, SHOW THE ITEMS, UH, THE WOR THE WORDING AND THE DESIGN REVIEW GUIDELINES ON THE PROJECTOR LATER ON IN THE PRESENTATION FOR BOTH THE ONE STORY AND TWO STORY, UM, PORTIONS OF THE DESIGN GUIDELINES. BUT ONE ITEM THAT STANDS OUT OVER THAT STOOD OUT OVER THE YEARS AS, UM, I GUESS WHERE PEOPLE HAD ISSUES WITH AND THAT THEY WERE CONSTANTLY BRINGING UP TO THE DESIGN REVIEW SUBCOMMITTEE IS REQUIRING, REQUIRING ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS OR TWO OR MORE BUILDING MATERIALS TO BE INCLUDED IN THE FRONT FACADE OF THE HOUSE. UM, THIS REQUIREMENT ALL STARTED, UM, Y SEVERAL YEARS AGO. THE CITY HAS, HAS A LOT OF RANCH STYLE HOMES THAT HAVE WOOD SIDING AND, UH, UM, BRICK SIDING ALONG THE FRONT ELEVATION. SO OVER, OVER THE COURSE OF TIME, WHAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DOING IS THEY DON'T, THEY EITHER DON'T LIKE THE LOOK OF THE WOOD SIDING OR THE SI UM, THE SIDING IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE, OR IT, IT BECAME A MAINTENANCE ISSUE, A MORE EXPENSIVE MAINTENANCE ISSUE THAT THEY'D RATHER REPLACE WOOD STUCCO. SO, UH, THE PICTURE ABOVE IS IT, UM, IS A HOUSE THAT USED TO HAVE ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS WHEN THIS TRACK WAS BUILT, UM, THAT WAS REPLACED COMPLETELY WITH STUCCO. UM, AND THE PICTURE BELOW IS A, ANOTHER HOUSE WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS ITS ORIGINAL WOOD SIDING DESIGN SO THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE AND COULD SOMEHOW RELATE TO THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THIS REQUIREMENT. UM, IN, ON ANOTHER SENSE, UM, WE DO HAVE PROPERTY OWNERS WHO PREFER HAVING, UM, NO ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS BECAUSE THEY WANT TO MODERNIZE AND DESIGN THEIR HOMES TO LOOK MORE CONTEMPORARY AND MORE, UM, I GUESS SO, UM, SO THAT THEY, UM, THEY REMOVE ALL THEIR TENDER MATERIALS AND THEY JUST REPLACE IT WITH SOME TYPE OF SMOOTHER STUCCO FINISH AND WITH DARKER TRIM OR, UM, AT TIMES AN OVERALL DARKER PINK COLOR OF THE STUCCO MAIN BUILDING. UM, THESE ARE SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT HAVE, THAT WE HAVE COME ACROSS WITH AND THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP AND GET THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S OPINION ON. UM, THIS STUDY SESSION IS, IS NOT THE, IT IS NOT FORMAL, SO FEEL FREE TO GO AHEAD AND, UM, SPEAK AND BRING UP CERTAIN ISSUES AS YOU SEE FIT. AND IF THERE ARE ITEMS IN EACH SLIDE THAT YOU WOULD WOULD WANNA DISCUSS, FEEL FREE TO JUMP IN. AND AT THE END I'LL ALSO ASK QUESTIONS IF, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND START GOING OVER THE ONE STORY DESIGN GUIDELINES. UM, THIS, THIS IS A PORTION, THE FIRST [00:10:01] FOUR ITEMS IN THE ONE STORY DESIGN GUIDELINES. WE DID PROVIDE THE, THE WORDING IN THE, IN THE, UM, PRESENTATION ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE TO MAKE IT MORE ACCESSIBLE SO THAT THERE WOULD NO LONGER BE A NEED TO BE ABLE TO READ EVERYTHING IN VERBATIM, UM, IN ORDER TO HAVE, UM, OR ADDRESS ANY ACCESSIBILITY ISSUES. SO DOES THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP AN ISSUE RELATED TO THESE FOUR ITEMS ON THE PROJECTOR? AND THE THIRD ITEM IS WHAT I HAD BROUGHT UP IN THE PICTURE PRIOR TO THIS PR, UM, SLIDE REGARDING, UM, WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS STILL A NEED TO REQUIRE THE ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS OTHER THAN JUST STUCCO OR WILL, UM, WOULD, OR WOULD THERE BE A PREFERENCE TO LEAVE IT UP TO THE PROPERTY OWNER? UM, WHAT MATERIALS THEY WOULD LIKE TO USE? YOU KNOW, MY, MY THOUGHT, UM, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACTLY THE YEAR THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE HOUSES WERE BUILT, IF IT WAS IN THE SIXTIES OR MID FIFTIES. AND I UNDERSTAND THINGS HAVE KIND OF CHANGED, BUT UNLESS THEY ARE DECIDING TO REALLY DO A COMPLETE REMODEL TO MAKE IT LOOK MODERN, TO HAVE THE FRONT JUST BE A SMOOTH STUCCO, IT DOESN'T REALLY PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU SEE ON H G T V FOR CURB APPEAL. SO IF THEY'RE NOT GONNA ATTACH A BRICK VENEER OR WOOD OR SOME OTHER TYPE OF PRODUCT, WOULD THEY THEN BE WILLING TO PUT SOME TYPE OF A HEDGE OR SOMETHING SO THAT FROM THE STREET THERE IS A BREAK AND IT JUST, IT DOESN'T JUST LOOK LIKE A BOX WITH WINDOWS AND A DOOR? UM, I BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE AT THE DISCRETION OF THE RESIDENCE. MYSELF, I DID THE SAME THING TO MY HOME. I HAD SIGHTING WOOD SIDING AND I REMOVED IT AND IT, IT MADE MY HOUSE HAVE A NEW LOOK, A NEWER, IT LOOKS LIKE A NEWER HOME. NOW, SOME PEOPLE EVEN COME AND ASK ME, IS THIS A NEW HOME? DID YOU BUILD? NO, I DIDN'T. I MEAN, WE'RE NOT A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION HERE, THERE WERE NO, NO NOTHING TO SIGN, NO RULES, NO CCNRS TO, UH, TO ADHERE TO. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I JUST, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE DECIDING ON. I'LL SAY THAT I THINK, UH, ALLOWING RESIDENTS, IF THEY WERE TO DO A MODERN LOOK AND, AND THEY'RE, AND THE, AND IT'S DETERMINED OF THE LOOK THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS MODERN, THAT I WILL SAY THAT YES, THEY, IT SHOULD BE, THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO, UM, BUILD A MODERN CONTEMPORARY HOUSE LOOKING, UH, HOUSE HOME IN HERE, IN THE CITY OF WEST FINA. UH, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK THERE HAS TO BE PARAMETERS SET AROUND THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT JUST A WAY TO, UH, HOW YOU SAY, GO AROUND THE, THE, THE GO AROUND THE SYSTEM TO DO IT THE CHEAP WAY. NOW, IF THEY'RE GONNA BUILD AND THEY'RE GONNA DO IT CORRECTLY, AND THEY'RE GONNA MAKE IT MODERN. AND, AND I, I KNOW ON WHEN I WAS ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE DESIGN, I, I THINK THERE WAS A, LIKE A JAPANESE JAPANESE STYLE CONTEMPORARY HOUSING THAT, THAT WAS VERY BEAUTIFUL BECAUSE IT'S A NEW MODERN DESIGN THAT I KNOW ATTRACTS A LOT OF, UH, FAMILIES, UH, TO THE CITY OF WEST SAVINA. AND, UH, THOSE, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. OKAY, THANK YOU. SO CURRENTLY, UM, WE, WHAT WE DO IS BASED ON THE CHANGES THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE MAKE, IF THEY'RE, THEY'RE PROPOSING, UM, ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS THEN, AND IF THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, UM, IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE STAFF DISCRETION. AND IF THEY, IF THEY REFUSE TO PROPOSE ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS OR THEY WANNA DESIGN IT WITH AND WITH JUST STUCCO, THEN WE FORWARD IT TO THE, UM, THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR REVIEW. SO AT THIS TIME, UM, WE CAN CONTINUE DOING THAT. OKAY. ARE WE THE ONLY CITY DOING THIS? UM, THERE ARE OTHER CITIES WITH MORE SPECIFIC DESIGN GUIDELINES. SO BASICALLY, UM, THEY BASIC, THEY HAVE, IF YOUR, IF YOUR ARCHITECTURAL STYLE IS, IS MEDITERRANEAN, YOU HAVE TO HAVE LIKE CUR, UM, ARCHES, UM, SMOOTH STUCCO, UM, [00:15:01] ROD IRON DETAILS AND SO FORTH. AND IT WOOD TILE, WOOD, UM, ROOF TILES. AND SO IT'S, IT'S VERY SPECIFIC LIKE THAT. OR IF YOU WANT A RANCH STYLE HOME, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THIS TYPE OF LIKE WOOD SIDING, THIS TYPE OF ROOF AND SO FORTH. UM, AND THERE ARE ALSO SOME CITIES THAT HAVE SPECIFIC DE, UM, GUIDELINES THAT REQUIRE A CERTAIN PAINT. SO IT, IT REALLY VARIES. AND THERE ARE ALSO OTHER CITIES THAT DON'T REQUIRE ANYTHING. SO. SO LET ME GET THIS. SO YOU'VE OWNED YOUR HOUSE 50 YEARS IN WEST COVEA, AND YOU WANNA MAKE IT LOOK NEWER AND UPDATE IT ON THE OUTSIDE? YOU HAVE TO GET PERMISSION? UM, YES. YEAH, BECAUSE WELL AS JUST TO KIND OF LET YOU KNOW, SOME CITIES HAVE A HISTORIC PRESERVATION ORDINANCE. AND ONE THING THAT, UM, CALIFORNIA IS KNOWN FOR ARE THE RANCH STYLE HOMES. THAT'S ONE OF THE TYPE STYLE OF HOUSES. AND WITH SOME CITIES, THEY WILL LET RESIDENTS KNOW UP FRONT, IF YOUR HOUSE IS OLDER THAN 45 YEARS OF AGE, THEN THEY WANT YOU TO CHECK WITH SOMEONE AT PLANNING IF THEY HAVE A HISTORIC PRESERVATION ORDINANCE, EVEN IF IT'S VOLUNTARY. BECAUSE IF THE HOUSE WERE DESIGNED BY SOMEONE WHO WAS SIGNIFICANT TO THE, THAT PARTICULAR CITY THAT BUILT AND DESIGNED THAT HOUSE, THEY DON'T WANNA NECESSARILY ERASE THAT INFORMATION. SO THIS WOULD HAVE TO BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE GIVEN TO SOMEBODY WHO'S BUYING A HOME IN WEST COVINA OR SOMEBODY. I MEAN, THERE'S A HOUSE TWO, TWO DOORS DOWN, UH, THAT IS, IT'S MORE ASIAN ETHNIC CITY. SO IF YOU BUILD A NEW HOUSE, YOU CAN MAKE IT HOWEVER YOU WANT, BUT IF YOU'VE BEEN THERE A WHILE, YOU CAN'T DO IT. WELL, NO. UM, FOR EXAMPLE, I HAPPEN TO DO SOME CONSULTING WORK FOR A CITY, WHICH IS IN THE LOS ANGELES AREA. AND WHAT THEY HAVE SEEN HAPPEN IS IN THEIR SMALLER, SMALLER RESIDENTIAL AREAS, WHICH IS REFERRED TO AS THE FLAT, THOSE ARE 5,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS. UP TO 7,000 PEOPLE ARE COMING IN AND DEMOLISHING THE HOUSES OUTRIGHT. BUT BECAUSE THEIR CITY IS AWARE OF THE HISTORY, THEY WILL ASK THEM WHEN THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT DOING SOMETHING THAT DRASTIC OR MODIFYING, THEY ASKED THEM TO PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION AND SPEAK WITH THEIR PERSON BECAUSE THEY HAVE A HISTORIC RIGHT. BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY HISTORICAL, I THINK, I THINK, UM, COVINA HAS THAT AREA OFF OF THE, BY THE PARK, BY COVINA. WHAT'S THAT CALLED? AND THEN POMONA HAS LINCOLN PARK. NO, UM, ACTUALLY COVINA DOES HAVE A HISTORIC, I KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. NO, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE AN ORDINANCE. AND WHAT THEY DID WAS THEY BROUGHT IN PROFESSIONALS TO IDENTIFY NOT JUST RESIDENTIAL AREAS, BUT COMMERCIAL AS WELL. AND THEY HAVE QUITE A FEW DIFFERENT STRUCTURES AND SO FORTH THAT ARE IN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL AREAS. AND SO THEY DO HAPPEN TO HAVE THAT TYPE OF INFORMATION. SO WE'RE GONNA ADOPT THIS AUTHORITARIAN TYPE OF NEW, WELL, I KNOW IT WAS KARINA. WE HAVE PROBABLY, I DON'T KNOW, A I KNOW IN DISTRICT ONE THERE'S PROBABLY MAYBE TWO OR THREE HISTORIC HOMES, BUT, BUT AGAIN, UH, I DON'T THINK WEST COVINA HOMEOWNERS, THE OWNERS WANNA FOREVER LIVE A RANCH STYLE DESIGN. AND I THINK THAT, UH, THEY SHOULD BE GIVEN THE RIGHT TO MODERNIZE AND, AND MOVE TO A CITY, UH, WHERE THEY COULD PROSPER IN, IN DESIGN AND MODERN LOOK. BECAUSE WEST GREEN IS NO LONGER A 20TH CENTURY CITY. IT'S A 21ST CENTURY CITY THAT REQUIRES MODERNIZATION IN ORDER TO GROW. AND, UH, UH, I KNOW THE CENSUS SAYS WE HAVE LESS THAN 120,000 PEOPLE NOW, BUT I THINK THAT'S BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE AFRAID TO SUBMIT THAT. BUT REGARDLESS, THERE'S OVER 120,000 PEOPLE LIVING IN THE CITY OF WEST VINA. AND I THINK, UH, HOMEOWNERS WHO ARE MOVING INTO THE CITY, UH, SHOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO A MODERN DESIGN, BUT AT THE SAME TIME PUT REGULATIONS IN PLACE THAT, UH, WILL PROHIBIT, UH, A HA A HALF FAST JOB IN, IN ACCOMPLISHING THAT YOU PAID $800,000 FOR A HOUSE IN WEST COVINA FOR SOMEONE TO TELL YOU HOW TO PAINT IT COLOR AND, YOU KNOW, OR OR TO STUCCO OR NOT TO STUCCO TO ME THAT I, I DUNNO, WHY ARE WE, IS THIS ALREADY ADOPTED? AND I MEAN, WHY, WHAT, WHAT ARE, WHAT'S THE REASONING? THERE'S ALREADY DESIGN GUIDELINES. AND SO THIS IS IF WE WANNA LOOK AT AMENDING THEM OR CHANGING THEM, AND THAT'S WHAT TONIGHT IS, IT'S FEEDBACK. BECAUSE NORMALLY WHEN SOMEONE GOES TO BUY A HOME, ONE OF THE THINGS THEY DO TAKE IN CONSIDERATION IS THE, UM, CURB APPEAL, OR ELSE THEY WOULD NOT HAVE GONE AHEAD AND OFFERED TO BUY THE HOUSE. THAT'S NOT ENTIRELY TRUE. I'M A REALTOR. THEY BUY IT AND [00:20:01] THEY SAY, THEY LOOK AT THE, OKAY, THE POTENTIAL, WE COULD DO THIS, WE COULD DO THAT, AND WE CAN MAKE IT, YOU'LL PAY A LITTLE BIT LESS, YOU KNOW, NEED SOME FIXING AND WE'LL FIX IT THE WAY WE WANT. THAT'S WHAT, THERE'S NO DISCLOSURE WHEN YOU BUY A HOUSE THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET A CITY'S PERMISSION. I'VE NEVER SEEN IT. WELL, IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, IT HAS TO BE DISCLOSED THEN IN THE, AND THAT WOULD DETER PEOPLE FROM WANTING TO MOVE HERE IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, AS YOU ARE AWARE, AS A REALTOR, IT IS UNDERSTOOD FOR INSURANCE PURPOSES, YOU NEED TO HAVE PERMITS FOR THE WORK THAT YOU DO. AND SO THAT IS WHY YOU HAVE A PLANNING DEPARTMENT, A BUILDING DEPARTMENT, AN ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE THERE ARE TECHNO TECHNOLOGICAL CHANGES THAT HAPPEN IN NORTHERN CALIFORNIA BECAUSE OF THE AGES OF THE HOMES. SOME OF THE RESIDENTS HAVE ALREADY BEEN TOLD BY THAT, BY THEIR CITY, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO UPDATE THEIR ENTIRE ELECTRICAL SERVICE IN THEIR HOME. AND THAT IS VERY EXPENSIVE. AND THEY UNDERSTOOD THAT THE HOUSE THAT THEY HAD, THAT'S DIFFERENT. THAT'S DIFFERENT. IT'S, IT'S A SAFETY, IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE. WHEN THAT'S A SAFETY ISSUE, PAINTING YOUR HOUSE IS NOT A SAFETY ISSUE. RIGHT. BUT SEE, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT TELLING THEM WHAT COLORS THAT THEY CAN PAINT THEIR HOUSE. THERE ARE SOME CITIES THAT HAVE THAT IN THEIR DESIGN GUIDELINES. WE DON'T. ALL THAT WE'RE ASKING IS, IS THAT IF YOU'RE ON A STREET AND IT HAPPENED TO BE A TRACK HOUSE, THEN THE CITY DOES WANT TO BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT TYPE OF CHANGES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MAKING. RIGHT. BUT THOSE WEREN'T TRACK HOUSES I SAW THERE IN THEIR PICTURES. OH. UM, IN THE PICTURE THAT I SHOWED, THEY ARE TRACK HOMES, HOUSES. YEAH. WELL, OKAY. OLD TRACK. YEAH, OLD TRACK, MM-HMM. MM-HMM. IN THE SIXTIES. SO IT'S A MODERN . SO YEAH, I THINK, AGAIN, I THINK WE, IT SHOULD BE STUDY THAT I THINK, UH, GIVE THE HOMEOWNER THE OPPORTUNITY TO MODERNIZE THEIR HOME. SOMETIMES STUCCO OR THESE OTHER MATERIALS DON'T GO WITH THE DESIGN. AND WE SAW THIS WITH MOST RECENTLY IN A CHAP, JAPANESE CONTEMPORARY HOUSING DESIGN THAT WAS BROUGHT TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE BECAUSE IT JUST DOESN'T GO. AND, AND WHEN, YEAH, THE ONE ON TOP, I THINK THEY DID A NICE JOB REMODELING AND UPDATING IT MO MOST OF THOSE HOMES, UH, THAT LOOK TOWARDS YOUR RIGHT, YOU GO INSIDE, IT'S, IT'S ALL HIGH TECH TECHNOLOGY. AND MOST OF THOSE HOMES THAT ARE BEING DESIGNED THESE DAYS, THEY LOOK LIKE THAT HIGH TECH TECHNOLOGY, SAVING ENERGY, SAVING GAS, SAVING STOVE, EVERYTHING . AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO, UH, CREATE AN OPPORTUNITY SO HOMEOWNERS DO HAVE THAT OPTION TO, UM, MODERNIZE THEIR HOME. UH, AND THEN ALSO, ALSO AT THE SAME TIME, I KNOW DUE SUBCOMMITTEE, THERE WAS QUESTIONS IN REGARDS TO WHAT HAPPENS TO THE HOMEOWNER CAN'T AFFORD ADDING STUCCO TO THEIR FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE, CUZ THAT'S ADDITIONAL MAYBE 20 TO $30,000 ADDITIONAL ON TOP OF THEIR, UH, CONTRACTING WORK THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR. AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO CREATE A SYSTEM THAT ADDRESSES THAT TOO. AND MAYBE PUTS, UM, MAYBE GIVES THE DIRECT, GIVES THE AUTHORITY TO, UH, UM, UH, THE BUILDING DIRECTOR TO MAKE THAT DECISION OR, OR SOME TO SOME SORT. BUT AS LONG AS IT'S SOMEHOW ADDRESSED, UH, CAUSE I KNOW THERE WAS, UH, QUESTIONS AROUND, UM, WHERE DOES THAT GO FROM THERE? AND IF THEY NEED TO APPLY FOR AN APPEAL TO THE CONSOLE AND ALL THAT STUFF. I THINK WHAT MAKES OUR CITY UNIQUE IS THE DIVERSITY. I MEAN, IT WOULD, I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT I, I CAN GO DOWN MY STREET AND SEE, YOU KNOW, MANY DIFFERENT STYLES. YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST, I, I DON'T SEE THAT IT'S EVER BEEN AN ISSUE BEFORE. SO JUST TO, UM, CLARIFY AND, AND ALSO DESCRIBE THE PROCESS. UM, IF, IF AN APPLICANT WANTED TO JUST CHANGE THE, THE MATERIALS ALONG THE FRONT FACADE, NO ADDITION, UM, JUST THE MATERIAL CHANGE, UM, WHAT STAFF DOES IS THAT IF IT COMPLIES WITH THE DESIGN GUIDELINES, UM, WE, WE APPROVE IT. UM, AND RIGHT NOW THE DESIGN GUIDELINES REQUIRE, UM, ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS OTHER THAN JUST STUCCO. BUT IF, IF THEY DO NOT WANNA DO THAT, AND IF THEY HAVE A CON THEY HAVE SOME TYPE OF CONTEMPORARY DESIGN IN MIND, THEN WE FORWARD IT TO THE DESIGN COMMISSION AND THE APPLICATION FEE FOR A SUBCOMMITTEE DESIGN GUIDELINE JUST FOR THE MATERIAL, UM, CHANGE. IT IS, UH, CURRENTLY, UH, $100. SO RIGHT [00:25:01] NOW WE FORWARD IT TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE DESIGN REVIEW APPLICATION. ALTHOUGH THE WORK STAFF TIME THAT IT TAKES, UM, FORWARDING IT TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE'S DESIGN REVIEW, UM, IS A LOT MORE THAN THE AMOUNT THAT WE CHARGE. UM, W WE, WE CHARGE NO MORE THAN $100 FOR, FOR THAT TYPE OF REVIEW. SO IT, AND WE SCHEDULE IT, WE SCHEDULE IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, UM, TYPICALLY AT THE NEXT AVAILABLE SUBCOMMITTEE DESIGN REVIEW MEETING. SO THIS IS, UH, THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN IN EFFECT. HOW LONG OR HAS THIS BEEN IN EFFECT? UM, IT'S BEEN IN EFFECT, UM, SINCE THE SUB SUBCOMMITTEE, THE SAME YEAR. THE SUBCOMMITTEE DESIGN AND REVIEW ORDINANCE WAS ADOPTED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION. UM, I WOULD SAY MORE THAN 10 YEARS AGO. AND THIS WASN'T SOMETHING WE WERE ABLE TO VOTE ON DURING CODES ENFORCEMENT OR UPDATE. BUT, UM, SO WHAT ARE YOU ASKING US TO DO TONIGHT? I'M SORRY? WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE YOU ASKING US TO DO TONIGHT? TO MAKE A MOTION OR TO GIVE DIRECTION OR, OH, UM, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE DESIGN REVIEW GUIDELINES CHANGE TO REMOVE CERTAIN ITEMS OR ADD CERTAIN ITEMS, THEN YOU CAN PRO, UM, WE WOULD APP STAFF WOULD APPRECIATE ANY DIRECTION IN THAT SENSE. AND THEN, AND THEN IT HAS TO GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL OR NO, IT'S, IT'S JUST WITH, IT'S A SUBCOMMITTEE DESIGN SUBCOMMITTEE, DESIGN REVIEW GUIDELINES. IT'S JUST, UM, BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT THE MOMENT. OKAY. WELL THIS IS SOMETHING I THINK THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, IT'S BROUGHT UP BEFORE BRIAN BROUGHT UP, UH, COMMISSIONER OR CHAIR, UM, THAT THIS IS SOMETHING I THINK RESIDENTS SHOULD BE AWARE OF. THEY, THEY SHOULD HAVE A SAY IN IT AND VOTE IN IT. THERE'S THEIR HOMES. I MEAN, I, I'M, I'M, I'M SORRY, BUT I'M NOT SORRY. THIS IS, TO ME, EXTREME SOMETHING THAT, I MEAN, I RECENTLY AM NOT GONNA HAVE TO PUT SIDING, WOULD SIDING BACK UP ON MY HOUSE. NO. SO I, I JUST, I CAN'T EVEN SEE, I MEAN, IF YOU WANT ME TO ASK CHANGE, I WOULD SAY REMOVE IT. THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION. MY MOTION. MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE, IF IT'S A CASE BECAUSE THE PERSON IS CONCERNED ABOUT COST, HAVING TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL MATERIAL TO THEIR HOUSE, THEN MIGHT THEY CONSIDER LANDSCAPING UPDATING. CUZ IF YOU'RE GONNA UPDATE THE HOUSE, YOU MIGHT AS WELL GO AHEAD AND ALSO UPDATE THE LANDSCAPING AND NOT MAINTAIN JUST THE GRASS. FOR EXAMPLE, USING DROUGHT TOLERANT SHRUBS AGAINST THE FRONT. CUZ AGAIN, CURB APPEAL. SO ARE WE GONNA GO TO ALL THE HOUSES WHO HAVE DEAD GRASS AND GO CITE THEM? NO, I DON'T BELIEVE CODE ENFORCEMENT DO CURRENTLY DOES THAT. OR DO THEY? NO, THIS IS, IF THEY ARE COMING IN AND MAKING IT, OR MAYBE THE HOUSE IS, YOU KNOW, TO PAINT THEIR HOUSE PURPLE, WE SHOULD TELL THEM, SORRY, I'M CURRENTLY, I, THIS, THIS IS, SORRY, SORRY. CURRENTLY WE DON'T, WEST COVINA DESIGN THE STATE HOME WEST COAS DESIGN GUIDELINES DOESN'T CONTROL THE COLOR PALETTE. LIKE SOME CITIES DESIGN GUIDELINES. I JUST WANNA CONTROL EVERYTHING ELSE. BUT NOW HERE WOULD BE THE QUESTION. RIGHT NOW, THE TYPE OF ROOF PRODUCTS WE ALLOW ON HOUSES, IS IT JUST THE COMPOSITION, SHINGLES AND TILES AND WOOD SHAKES? OR DO YOU ALSO ALLOW THE STANDING SEAM METAL ROOFS? WE, WE ALLOW THE, THE METAL ROOFS AS WELL. AND DO YOU GUYS ALSO ALLOW THE, UM, I FORGET WHAT IT'S CALLED, BUT WHERE THEY WANT THE FLAT ROOF AND IT'S WHITE FOR ENERGY EFFICIENCY. SEE, UM, FOR RESIDENTIAL, THE, THE GREEN ROOFS, UM, YES, WE DO, WE DO ALLOW THAT. SO AS FAR AS ROOFING MATERIAL IS, IS, UM, CONSIDERED, UM, WHEN, IF THEY DO WANNA CHANGE THEIR ROOFING MATERIAL, WE DO LOOK AT ARCHITECTURAL CONSISTENCY. LIKE FOR INSTANCE, IF SOMEBODY HAS A ME, MEDITERRANEAN OR SPANISH STYLE HOUSE AND THEY HAVE S TILE ROOF, UM, S ROOF TILES. AND IF THEY JUST WANNA SH CHANGE IT TO, TO, UM, COMPOSITION, UM, SHINGLES, THEN THE, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, THE FLAT ONES, UM, THEN WE'RE, WE WOULD NOT ALLOW THAT BECAUSE IT TALKING ABOUT A BIG DIFFERENCE IN PRICE [00:30:01] FOR SOMEBODY TO, TO, TO DO, YOU KNOW, IF THEIR ROOF IS BAD AND THEY CAN'T AFFORD A TILE ROOF, ARE WE GONNA PAY FOR THE DIFFERENCE? WE DO NOT. OKAY. SO I, I JUST DON'T SEE THAT THAT, THAT TO ME IS, YOU KNOW, THEY SHOULD, THAT THAT'S OVERREACH. UM, SO, UM, YOUR, YOUR SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO NOT REGULATE ROOF MATERIAL, UM, AS PART OF, AS IT BEING IN THE DESIGN GUIDELINES. AS LONG AS THE HOUSE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE RED TAGGED, WHY SHOULD THEY WE CARE WHAT THEY PUT ON THEIR ROOF. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE HOUSES THAT HAVE, MANY OF THEM HAVE ALREADY BEEN REMODELED. NOW WE'RE JUST GONNA START ENFORCING IT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO STILL HAVE THE SIDING MM-HMM. , IT JUST, IT, IT DOESN'T BE FAIR, WHOEVER DID THIS 10 YEARS AGO, MAYBE THEY DIDN'T LIKE THE WAY THEIR, THEIR NEIGHBOR DID THEIR HOUSE, SO THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE GONNA COME OVER HERE AND MAKE ALL KINDS OF RULES. I DON'T KNOW THE PERSON WHO ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHO, WHO, YOU KNOW, SUGGESTED THIS OR ENFORCED IT OR, OR PUT THE PLAN OUT FOR IT OR PETITIONED FOR IT. BUT IT SEEMS TO ME, UM, AGAIN, I I GET IT, OTHER CITIES, WERE NOT BEVERLY HILLS AND NOT, I THINK WE'RE BETTER THAN BEVERLY HILLS, BUT WE, WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT IT'S TELLING PEOPLE WHAT TO DO ON THEIR OWN HOMES. SO THEY'VE PAID AND AN IMMENSE AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR WHAT'S MEAN IS NOT CHEAP TO LIVE IN. I THINK IT'S THE BEST CITY, YOU KNOW, ALL THE SURROUNDINGS, TO ME ANYWAYS, IT'S A GOOD CITY TO LIVE. WE'VE NEVER HAD AN ISSUE LIKE THIS BEFORE WHERE WE HAVE TO, IT SEEMS JUST LIKE WE'RE CONTROLLING PEOPLE IN THEIR OWN HOMES. AND YOU KNOW WHAT? TILL IT AFFECTS ONE OF US, YOU KNOW, I CAN HONESTLY SAY, YOU KNOW, I, WE ARE NOT HERE TO REPRESENT THE CITY. WE'RE HERE REPRESENTING THE RESIDENTS. SO SAY WHAT YOU WANT ABOUT REGULATIONS AND TRACK HOMES. WE'RE NOT HERE TO REPRESENT RULES AND REGULATIONS. WE'RE REPRESENTING EVERYBODY ELSE HERE. BUT AGAIN, THE OTHER, NO, BUT AGAIN, YES, THERE IS, WITH TECHNOLOGY, THERE'S ALWAYS CHANGES THAT ARE COMING ALONG. LIKE WITH THE, FOR EXAMPLE, SOLAR PANELS. QUITE A FEW YEARS AGO WHEN THAT CAME ABOUT, THE STATE DIDN'T AUTOMATICALLY MAKE PEOPLE USE THOSE, BUT AT SOME POINT PEOPLE ARE BEGINNING TO UNDERSTAND THE BENEFITS OF SOLAR PANELS. AGAIN, THAT'S DIFFERENT. SO HOW ABOUT ARE RESIDENTS CURRENTLY ALLOWED TO USE SOLAR PANEL, UH, TILE AS AN OPTION FOR THEIR ROOF? UM, WE CAN'T REGULATE SOLAR, SOLAR PANELS. THAT'S WHY THEY STAY. SO THEY COULD USE TILE, SOLAR, SOLAR PANEL TILES. YES. WE CAN'T REGULATE THE AESTHETICS OF SOLAR PANELS. THEN IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN WHY ARE WE GONNA REGULATE THE OTHER STUFF DONE? SO, UM, YEAH, I I THINK IT'S, UH, I THINK YEAH, GIVING THE HOMEOWNER THE OPPORTUNITY TO PICK THE MATERIAL THEY WANT AND, UH, IS BENEFICIAL, UH, TO THEM. AND I THINK THAT, I THINK AT THE SAME TIME, UH, IT CAN BE A SUPER CHEAP MATERIAL BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT IT TO, UH, I THINK IT CREATES MAYBE A SAFETY ISSUE IF WE ALLOW A HOMEOWNER TO INSTALL SOMETHING THAT'S NOT UP TO CODE OR UP TO SAFETY SETTLERS. SO I THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOME SORT OF REVIEW, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, GIVE THE HOMEOWNER A MORE BROADER, UH, A BROADER, UH, OPTIONS TO PICK THE MATERIAL THEY WANT ON THEIR HOME. IF IT'S SPANISH TILE TILES OR, OR ANOTHER, UH, EXPENSIVE TYPE OF TILE THAT THEY SHOULD BE GIVEN THAT, THAT OPPORTUNITY TO DESIGN THEIR HOME LIKE THAT. AT THE SAME TIME. UM, I THINK THAT HOMEOWNERS SHOULD BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, TO, UM, DIS TO UPGRADE AND MODERNIZE THEIR HOMES. WELL, MAYBE THERE SHOULD BE A PETITION FOR LAS CAMINO RESIDENTS TO SEE HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT THIS. THAT'S MY OPINION. THAT'S ALSO, I MAY, UH, COMMISSIONER PRERA, THAT'S PART OF THE WORKSHOP THAT WE'RE HAVING TONIGHT. IT DOES GIVE THE COMMUNITY AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AND BE PRESENTED WITH THE PROPOSALS OR THE FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY. THEY ALSO HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, SPEAK AT PUBLIC COMMENT. UM, I'M NOT SURE MARIO'S HERE, HE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY. BUT, UM, THESE ARE JUST GUIDELINES, DESIGN GUIDELINES TO HELP MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY'S, IT'S NOT TO PIGEONHOLE [00:35:01] HOMEOWNERS INTO ONE STYLE OR FORCE THEM TO DESIGN THEIR HOMES A CERTAIN WAY. IT'S TO PROVIDE A DESIGN AESTHETIC FOR THE CITY AS A WHOLE. SO YOU DON'T HAVE, UM, A PURPLE HOUSE NEXT TO YOU, RIGHT? , OR YOU HAVE SOMEONE TAKING THE CARGO CONTAINERS AND THEY'VE DECIDED ON A PARTICULAR STREET THAT CURRENTLY HAS HOUSES WITH STUCCO THAT THEY WANT TO USE A CARGO CONTAINER IN ORDER TO LIVE IN. SO, SO THE PROCESS IS TO HELP BE SOME DESIGN GUIDELINES. OF COURSE, PEOPLE ARE GONNA WANNA, YOU KNOW, DESIGN THEIR HOUSE A CERTAIN WAY. EVERYONE HAS THEIR PREFERENCE. AND SO EVEN WITH THESE DESIGN GUIDELINES, THERE IS ROOM FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE THE AESTHETIC THAT THEY WISH FOR IN THEIR HOME. UM, IT'S NOT REALLY TO, TO PREVENT CERTAIN STYLES OR ARCHITECTURAL STYLES IN OUR COMMUNITY. IT'S JUST TO HELP KEEP THIS AESTHETIC IN OUR COMMUNITY. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HELPS ANSWER YOUR CON OR HELP ADDRESS SOME OF YOUR CONCERNS. AND, UM, AND, AND TO ADD TO THAT, UM, IF, UM, SAY THAT THEY DO NOT COMPLY WITH THE DESIGN GUIDELINES AND THEY WOULD, THEY STILL WOULD LIKE, UM, THEIR PREFERRED DESIGN, THERE IS AN, THERE IS AN OPTION AND AN OPPORTUNITY, UM, TO, TO BE ABLE TO PROCESS, UM, THEIR APPLICATION OR THEIR, THEIR PROJECT AS THEY'RE PROPOSING IT. UM, IF FOR INSTANCE, IF STAFF DOES NOT AGREE, UM, AGREE WITH IT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T COMPLY WITH DESIGN GUIDELINES, WE FORWARD IT TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE. UM, IF THE SUBCOMMITTEE CANNOT AGREE WITH, WITH, UM, A DECISION ON THE MATERIALS, THE SUBCOMMITTEE CAN, CAN ALSO FORWARD IT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. SO IT DOESN'T STOP AT THE, UM, AT THE, AT STAFF STAFF LEVEL OR AT THE SUBCOMMITTEE LEVEL. UM, AND ALSO THEY PAY THE SAME FEE WHETHER OR NOT, UM, IT GOES TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR IT GETS APPROVED BY STAFF. SO THE FEE FOR THE SUBCOMMITTEE DESIGN REVIEW IS, IS, UM, A FLAT FEE DEPENDING ON THE PROJECT. SO IF, IF THE PROJECT IS, UH, NO SQUARE FOOTAGE, ADDIT A, A PROJECT THAT'S NOT INVOLVE ANY ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE, IT'S JUST A FRONT A PORCH OR A PATIO COVER OR, OR, UM, JUST A ROOF CHANGE OR JUST BUILDING MATERIAL CHANGE ALONG THE FRONT POSITION OF THE DOOR, THAT THAT'S A $100 SUBCOMMITTEE DESIGN REVIEW FEE. BUT IF IT INVOLVES AN ADDITION, THEN, UM, WHERE THEY'RE ADDING ON A MASTER BEDROOM OR SOME TYPE OF SQUARE FOOTAGE TO THEIR EXISTING HOUSE, IT'S A $500 APPLICATION FEE. SO IT'S CAPPED AT THOSE AMOUNTS AND THEY'RE NOT DEPOSITS. SO THE, UM, IN, IN COMPARISON TO THE OTHER APPLICATIONS THAT THE, THAT OUR CITY AND OTHER CITIES PRO PROCESS, THOSE APPLICATION FEES ARE VERY MINIMAL AND ARE NOT AN OUTRAGEOUS AMOUNT FOR THE TYPE OF REVIEW. SO ARE THE, OKAY, YOU SAID THERE'S A WORKSHOP THAT IS BEING HELD. HOW, HOW MANY RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN GIVEN NOTICE AND HOW ARE THEY GIVEN NOTICE? ALL RIGHT, SO TONIGHT IS THE, THE, THE STUDY SESSION. THE STUDY SESSION WITH THE COMMISSIONERS. UM, AND SO IT IS A PUBLIC MEETING THAT THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO COME IN AND PROVIDE, HOW ARE THEY GIVEN NOTICE? WEED IT AND NOTICED IT IN THE, ON OUR WEBSITE. AND I THINK JOURNAL, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY PEOPLE LOOK AT THAT? WE GOT ONE IN THE AUDIENCE. I DON'T EVEN LOOK AT THAT. OH, NO, I, I ADDED IT TODAY. THE OTHER SLIDES ARE, YEAH, I WOULD RECOMMEND LETTERS TO EVERY RESIDENT AND SEE HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT IT. YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD PROBABLY HAVE A LOT OF RESIDENTS WHO WOULD FEEL VERY DIFFERENTLY. YEAH. I MEAN, YEAH, WE, WE'VE BEEN SEEING, UH, A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF APPLICATIONS GO TO SUBCOMMITTEE FOR MODERN MODERN DESIGN. AND, AND SOMETIMES THERE'S NO NON-CONSENSUS COMING OUT FROM THOSE COMMITTEES. SO I THINK THIS IS A SUBJECT THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED BECAUSE A HOMEOWNER SHOULD NOT BE STALLING. THE PROCESS OF ANOTHER MEMBER CANNOT COME TO CONSENSUS THAT, THAT, THAT THAT PERSON NEEDS HAS THE RIGHT TO MODERNIZE THEIR HOME. AND I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT ALSO THE LEGAL PICTURE STUFF THAT, I MEAN, IT COMES TO A POINT WHERE THE CITY MAY BE INVADING. I MEAN, I MEAN, YES, IF INVADING SOMEONE'S PRIVACY OR, OR, OR, OR THEIR WAY OF LIFE BY, BY IMPLEMENTING A POLICY THAT DOESN'T [00:40:01] REALLY MAKE SENSE SAYING THAT, NO, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO PUT A NEW HIGH TECH WINDOW IN YOUR FRONT DRIVEWAY, OR YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO PUT A, A, UH, THAT, THAT THAT SPECIFIC PAINT OR DESIGN IN THIS COMMUNITY. YOU HAVE TO COPY YOUR NEIGHBORS. AND MOST OF THE TIME THERE'S ONLY TWO NEIGHBORS OF THE 20 NEIGHBORS ON THE BLOCK TO HAVE THAT DESIGN. AND SO I THINK THAT THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE, UH, ADDRESSED UPON. AND I THINK THAT THE HOMEOWNER SHOULD BE GIVEN THAT AUTHORITY TO DECIDE IF THEY WANT A MODERN LOOK OR A NON-MODERN LOOK. UH, UH, SORRY. YEAH. EITHER OR. SO, UH, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S AN IMPORTANT MATTER TO BE ADDRESSED WHEN YOU LIVE IN THE TRACK HOMES. YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE OLDER. I MEAN, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT YOU COULD DO WITHOUT CHANGING IT. LIKE THOSE HOUSES, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT YOU CAN DO EXCEPT THE PAINT OR THE STUCCO BECAUSE YOU CAN'T CHANGE THOSE FRAMES THAT THEY'RE IN THE, THERE'S, THEY'RE STILL GONNA LOOK LIKE TRACK HOMES. YOU'RE JUST PUTTING STUCCO. THIS IS LIKE, I MEAN, I WISH I COULD THROW THESE IN THE AIR, BUT I WON'T. BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S LIKE, I'M SORRY. IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, IS THERE CA ANOTHER CAMERA HERE SOMEWHERE, WE'RE BEING PUMPED. MM-HMM. , YOU KNOW, THIS, COME ON. BUT I THINK THERE'S OTHER WAYS TO ADDRESS, UH, UH, SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS ADDRESS, UH, IN IMPLEMENTING OTHER POLICIES THAT ADDRESS CERTAIN THINGS. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, SOMEONE CAN'T BUILD A HOUSE THAT'S CONT CONTEMPORARY AND THEN ADD A ONE OF THOSE CARGO BOXES ON TOP OF THEIR HOME AS THE SECOND STORY. I THINK THERE'S WAYS TO REGULATE, AND ALSO THERE'S A WAY TO IMPLEMENT POLICY THAT ADDRESSES VARIOUS DESIGNS, UH, AND, AND, AND EXEMPTION EXEMPTIONS TO WHEN A HOMEOWNER WANTS TO MODERNIZE THEIR HOME. AND I THINK THAT THAT'S HOW WE CAN ACCOMPLISH, UH, THAT'S HOW WE CAN ACCOMPLISH SOME OF THE THINGS OUTSIDE OF THAT, OF THE BOX OF A MODERN HOME. SO, THANK YOU. UM, OKAY. SO AT THE MOMENT, UM, THE SUMMARIZE THE TWO ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP REGARDING THIS SLIDE IS THE, THE BUILDING MATERIALS AND ALSO THE, THE ROOF MATERIALS. SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO THE NEXT, UM, TO THE NEXT SLIDE SO THAT YOU CAN, YOU, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT, SEE IF SOMETHING COMES UP THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS. AND THEN AT THE END OF THE MEETING, THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN EITHER VOTE TO REMOVE THESE ITEMS, UM, AMEND THESE ITEMS, OR KEEP THIS ITEM, THESE ITEMS, OR FORWARD IT TO OR CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION JUST ON THOSE PARTICULAR ITEMS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP TODAY AT THE NEXT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND, UM, MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE. UM, THIS SLIDE DEALS WITH THE FRONT PORCH HEIGHT. TYPICALLY, WE DO NOT ALLOW THE FRONT PORCH TO BE HIGHER THAN THE MAIN ROOF OF THE HOUSE. UM, WINDOW TREATMENT, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ENCOURAGED. WE, AND THE OTHER TWO ITEMS, UM, THE LAST TWO ITEMS IN THIS SLIDE IS, IS JUST SOMETHING THAT WE LOOK FOR IN, IN PLANS THERE, THEIR, UM, STANDARD. IS THERE ANY ITEM IN THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP AND DISCUSS? NO, BECAUSE IT'S BASIC INFORMATION. WHEN SOMEONE'S ASKING TO MAKE A CHANGE, THE CITY JUST WANTS THEM TO ACKNOWLEDGE SINCE IT'S AT THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY, THAT IF THEY HAPPEN TO BE A LOT THAT HAS A SIDEWALK AND A PARKWAY, THEN EVERYONE WHO LOOKS AT THE PLAN KNOWS THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE. MM-HMM. . AND IT'S NOT UNCOMMON TO ASK FOR THE WATER HEATER, WHICH SOME OF THE OLDER HOUSES HAVE, OR ON THE OUTSIDE. AND UNLESS IT'S HAPPENS TO BE A HOUSE THAT WAS DESIGNED THAT ACTUALLY HAD AN INTERIOR CLOSET, OR THEY PLACED THE WATER HEATER IN THE GARAGE. MM-HMM. , ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT PAINTING THE, THOSE NEW SILVER LITTLE CLOSETS THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, THE ENCASEMENTS THE CLOSET THAT THEY PUT THE NEW, THE WATER HEATERS IN? THE ONES LIKE IF THEY PULL IT OUTSIDE YEAH, IF THEY'RE IN THE HOUSE AND THEY WANNA PUT IT OUTSIDE. SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PAINTING THOSE TO MATCH THE HOUSE? YES. MM-HMM. , WHAT IF IT'S IN THEIR BACKYARD AND NOBODY CAN SEE IT? IF IT'S IN THEIR BACKYARD, THEN THAT'S FINE, BUT IF NO, IF IT'S, THIS IS ONLY FOR [00:45:01] DESIGN COMMISSION ITEMS, WHICH ARE BASICALLY THINGS THAT CAN BE SEEN ALONG THE FRONT ELEVATION AND, AND FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. MM-HMM. , WELL, I COULD SEE ABOUT THE PORCH NOT WANTING IT TO BE HIGHER THAN THE HOUSE, BUT THAT'S AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET THE PERMIT OR GO THROUGH. THAT'S WHAT THE UPDATE WAS FOR. I MEAN, I DON'T, THAT MAY ALREADY BE IN THERE, I'M NOT SURE, BUT WELL, THESE ITEMS ARE ALREADY IN PLACE, SO, UM, IF THERE'S ANY ITEMS IN HERE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE, UM, IF YOU CAN LET US KNOW OR DISCUSS. SO, WELL, I THINK I'VE ALREADY MADE MY, I THINK THAT IF THEY WANT TO UPDATE THEIR HOUSE AND USE YEAH. DECORATIVE BRICK OR REMOVE THE SIDING, I MEAN, I THINK THAT HOUSE WAS TASTEFULLY DONE THAT WAS UPDATED. THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG WITH IT. IT WAS DONE IN A WORKMAN-LIKE MANNER. UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT MADE THE HOUSE, IT WAS VERY SUBTLE CHANGES, BUT IT MADE IT LOOK MUCH MORE UPDATED AND IT STILL KEPT THE SAME, UH, THE SAME, UH, TRACK HOME LOOK. UH, AS A MATTER OF FACT, ALL TRACK HOMES ARE NOT EXACTLY THE SAME. OKAY. THEY HAVE DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT, UH, TYPES OF ATTRIBUTES WHERE THEY'RE, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, FROM LEFT TO RIGHT TO RIGHT TO LEFT, OR TO, YOU KNOW, THE GARAGES ON THE LEFT OR GARAGES ON THE RIGHT. YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY HAVE DIFFERENT, UM, DECOR. THEY'RE NOT ALL THE SAME, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE TRACK HOMES. I JUST, THAT PART I, I WOULD REMOVE OF HOW THEY HAVE TO ASK FOR AN APPLICATION TO DECIDE HOW TO UPDATE THEIR HOME. THE OTHER CONSTRUCTION ITEMS, THE, THE PORCH IS VALID. HOW ABOUT THE, WHEN IT SAYS ENCOURAGE WENDELL TREATMENT, IS THAT ENCOURAGED OR MANDATED? ENCOURAGED? MM. UM, ONTO THE NEXT SLIDE. UM, THE FIRST ITEM, IF THEY'RE RA, THEY'RE CHANGING THE PITCH OF THE, THE ROOF OR RAISING THE ROOF TO CONSIDER ALLOWING ENOUGH SPACE IN THE ATTIC SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO PUT LIKE CENTRALIZED AIR OR DUCTING IN THE EXTERIOR OR ON THE ROOF. UM, SO THAT THERE'S ENOUGH ATTIC SPACE SO THAT THEY CAN ACCOMMODATE THE CENTRAL AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEM WITHIN, WITHIN THE ATTIC. UM, AND, UM, NOW WHY IS DEVELOP, WHY, SO IF A HOMEOWNER HAS TO DO THAT, WHY ARE, WHY ARE WE ALLOWING DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPERS TO NOT DO THAT? LIKE, THE ONES ALL, I MEAN, I'M NOT GONNA MENTION SPECIFICS, BUT DEVELOPERS WHO ARE DESIGNING SOME OF THE NEW HOMES IN WEST VENA, THEY HAVE THE AC SYSTEM OUTSIDE. WHY WOULD THEY NOT REQUIRE SUPPORT OF INSIGHT? NO, WE, WE DO ALLOW, WE DO ALLOW AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEMS TO BE OUTSIDE GROUND MOUNTED. OKAY. UM, BUT THE CITY IN, IN THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL SECTION OF THE CODE, WE, WE DO NOT ALLOW ROOF MOUNTED AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEM UNLESS THERE ISN'T ANY AREA ON THE PROPERTY THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE, UM, ANY OTHER AREA ON THE PROPERTY THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THE AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEM TO BE LOCATED IN. LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, IF, IF THE SETBACKS ARE TOO TIGHT, UM, IF THE SPACE IS TOO TIGHT OR THERE ISN'T A LOCATION ON THE GROUND WHERE THEY CAN PUT THE CENTRALIZED, UM, WELL, THE, THE AIR CONDITION, THE AIR CONDITIONING CONDENSER UNIT, OR DO THEY EVEN PUT 'EM ON ROOFS ANYMORE? ? I'M SORRY. THEY DO. THERE ARE, BECAUSE I'VE SEEN SOME, LIKE ON LOCK, THEY STILL LIKE ELLEN WHERE THEY HAVE THEM AND THEY, I MEAN, IF I WAS A HOMEOWNER, I, THEY DON'T LOOK VERY AESTHETICALLY. YES. THEY, THEY STILL PUT THEM ON THE ROOFS, THE ROOF. OKAY. SO THE ONLY WAY THAT, UM, WE, WE CAN'T, OR WE, THE CITY IS NOT GOING TO TELL A PROPERTY OWNER THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO HAVE ANY AIR CONDITIONING UNIT AT ALL. IF THE ROOF IS ONLY PLACE WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE, THEY'RE ABLE TO PUT IT. SO THAT'S THE ONLY EXCEPTION. SO YOU HAVE CAN HAVE A PERMIT FOR A ROOF ANYWAYS. YES. SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THEY WOULD APPLY FOR TO PITCH HER? YES. UM, THAT, THAT IS WHY, UM, THIS SECTION IS IN, IN THE CODE, UH, OR IN THE DESIGN GUIDELINES IS IF THEY'RE RAISING THE ROOF ANYWAYS, SO THAT PEOP UM, THEY CAN THINK ABOUT PROPERTY OWNERS AND DESIGNERS CAN THINK ABOUT, OH, OKAY, WE'RE RAISING OUR ROOF. WE SHOULD RAISE IT ANOTHER INCH OR TWO SO THAT IT CAN ACCOMMODATE THE CENTRAL AIR CONDITIONING UNIT IN THE FUTURE. SO IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT CAN MAKE, IT'S, THEY'RE, UH, THE, THE DESIGN GUIDELINES ARE A LIST [00:50:01] OF THINGS THAT THEY, THAT PROPERTY OWNERS SHOULD, UM, CONSIDER OR SH UM, ARE OR SHOULD, OR ARE REQUIRED TO CONSIDER IN MAKING, IN DESIGNING THEIR HOMES, UM, IN THEIR, THEIR GUIDELINES. SO THEY'RE NOT WRITTEN IN STONE, THEY'RE FLEXIBLE, AND IF THEY DO NOT COMPLY WITH THE DESIGN GUIDELINES, IT GOES THROUGH SUBCOMMITTEE. AND THE SUBCOMMITTEE CAN, CAN DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THEIR DESIGN IS TH THEIR, THEIR DESIGN IS AESTHETICALLY PLEASING, OR IF IT MAKES SENSE, OTHERWISE, UM, IT WOULDN'T BE APPROVED. SO THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT YOU CAN DO WHEN YOU'RE RAISING IT. IT HAS TO, IF YOUR HOUSE IS RECTANGLE, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO GO, YOU KNOW, UP AND TO THE SIDE, OR, OR IT DEPENDS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, AND THIS IS ONLY IF THEY'RE RAI IF THEY'RE RAISING THE ROOF LIKE THIS AND LIKE THAT, THERE'S NOTHING, I CAN'T EVEN DO NOTHING. SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO HAD ROCK OR GRAVELED ROOFS, WHICH ARE FLAT MM-HMM. BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE AN ATTIC AREA TO BEGIN WITH. MM-HMM. . SO YOU'RE JUST SAYING THAT IF THEY DO DECIDE THEY WANT TO REMOVE THEIR ROCK OR GRAVEL ROOF OR FLAT ROOF, YOU'RE ASKING THEM TO CREATE A PITCH. AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO TO THE EXPENSE OF CREATING A PITCH, MAKE IT ENOUGH AREA SO THAT IF THEY DO WANNA HAVE CENTRAL AIR AND HEATING, THEN THEY COULD PLACE THAT ON THE ROOF. THAT'S CORRECT. YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE, SO YOU'RE ASKING THEM TO CREATE A PITCH OR NO. WHERE EXACTLY THEY WANT TO. RIGHT. WE'RE ASKING THEM TO CONSIDER, SO IF THEY'RE ALREADY PROPOSING TO MM-HMM. , IF THEY'RE ALREADY PROPOSING TO, UM, IF SAY SOMEBODY WANTS TO CHANGE THE DE THE DESIGN OF THEIR HOUSE WHERE THEY'RE, THEY HAVE A FLAT ROOF AND THEY'RE PROPOSING TO PITCH THEIR ROOF, UM, SO THAT THEY, THEY SHOULD CONSIDER, UM, HA PITCHING IT ENOUGH, UM, AND RAISING THE ROOF ENOUGH SO THAT THEY CAN FIT A, A AIR CONDITIONING UNIT AND DUCT SIDE. SO DUCTING IN THERE. YES. SO THAT'S, THAT'S IF THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY WANT IN THEIR DESIGN. WE'RE NOT TELLING EVERYBODY THAT THAT HAS A FLAT ROOF THAT THEY, THAT THEY HAVE TO PITCH THE ROOF. GOT IT. GOT IT. OKAY. UM, LANDSCAPING, UH, IF IT'S DESTROYED, IT SHOULD BE REPLACED. THAT'S PRETTY STANDARD. UM, AND THEN THE SECOND STORY DESIGN GUIDELINES IS IN SOME WAY, SIMILAR TO THE SINGLE STORY DESIGN GUIDELINES, UM, TWO STORY ADDITIONS. UM, JUST NOTE THAT TWO STORY ADDITIONS AT, AT THE MOMENT, UH, REQUIRE FOR ANY AMOUNT, IF YOU'RE ADDING ON, ON THE, IF YOU'RE ADDING ON THE SECOND FLOOR, IT'S, IT'S GONNA REQUIRE AN ADMINISTRATIVE USE PERMIT, WHICH REQUIRES NO NEIGHBOR NOTIFICATION. SO, SO IT, UM, CURRENTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS THAT, UM, WE'RE NOTIF IN MOST INSTANCES THE SUBCOMMITTEE DIRECT STAFF TO START THE NEIGHBOR NOTIFICATION. AND, AND IF SOME, IF SOMEBODY, SOMEBODY REQUESTS A HEARING, THEN IT'S AUTOMATICALLY FORWARDED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. BUT IF NOBODY REQUESTS A HEARING AND THEY'RE OKAY WITH THE SECOND STORY DESIGN, THEN THE NEIGHBORS ARE OKAY WITH THE SECOND STORY DESIGN. AND WE TYPICALLY JUST APPROVE IT, UM, WITH ASSUMING THAT IT COMPLIES WITH THE DESIGN GUIDELINES AND THE SUBCOMMITTEE DESIGN REVIEW AGREES WITH, WITH THEIR DESIGN. SO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE SINGLE STORY IN, UM, TWO STORY DESIGN GUIDELINES, ONE OF THE MAIN ONES IS PRIVACY. WE, THE SUBCOMMITTEE REVIEWS THE DESIGN. UM, AL ALSO, UM, IN TAKES PRIVACY INTO CONSIDERATION IF THERE'S A WINDOW LOOKING INTO THE NEIGHBOR'S YARD OR SEWING POLE, THEN AT TIMES STAFF WERE TO DESIGN REVIEW SUBCOMMITTEE, UM, WOULD ASK THE APPLICANT IF THEY CAN REDESIGN, EITHER REDESIGN THE FLOOR PLAN OR CHANGE OUT THE WINDOW, UM, LOCATIONS OR, OR MAKE IT FROSTED. UM, JUST DEPENDING ON THE, THE CIRCUMSTANCES. CAUSE I NOTICED ONE THING, UM, WITH NEWER CONSTRUCTION, UM, WITH SECOND STORIES, THEY TEND TO WANT TO MATCH THE DISTANCE OF THE FIRST FLOOR MM-HMM. , WHEREAS IN TIMES PAST, THEY WOULD STEP IT IN A COUPLE FEET ON THE SIDE, BECAUSE AGAIN, USUALLY THEY'RE PUTTING BEDROOMS [00:55:01] ON THE SECOND FLOOR. SO FOR SAFETY, WE UNDERSTAND IF THERE'S A FIRE THAT THEY MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO GET OUT FROM DOWNSTAIRS. AND SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU'RE SEEING MORE PEOPLE SAYING, OKAY, IF WE DO THE SECOND STORY, ARE THEY WILLING TO STEP IT IN SO MANY FEET SO THAT IT'S SMALLER SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE WHATEVER SIZE WINDOWS THAT THEY NEED FOR INGRESS AND EGRESS, WHETHER IT'S AT THE FRONT OF WHERE THE BEDROOMS ARE AT, OR IF IT HAPPENS TO BE ON THE SIDE WHERE YOU HAVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AND MAYBE YOU HAVE A FIVE FOOT SETBACK ORIGINALLY, BUT SAY THEY'RE GOING UP WITH THE SECOND FLOOR. BUT IF THEY STEP IT IN, IN ADDITIONAL TO, OR THREE FEET ON THE SIDE, UM, YOU DON'T HAVE A DIRECT CURRENT. UM, CURRENTLY THE, THE ZONING CODE REQUIRES A FIVE FOOT SETBACK FOR SI FOR SINGLE STORIES. MM-HMM. , UM, IN, IN CERTAIN ZONES AT THE VERY LEAST. AND A 10 FOOT SETBACK FOR TWO STORIES, UM, AT THE VERY LEAST, UM, IN CERTAIN ZONES. BUT, UM, IN THE AREAS AREA DISTRICT, I BELIEVE FOUR, UM, IT'S SEVEN, SEVEN FEET FOR A SINGLE STORY. AND I BELIEVE 10 FEET FOR TWO STORY. UM, AND IN AREA, IN THE, THE OTHER AREA DISTRICTS, I BELIEVE FIVE, UM, THE REQUIRED SETBACK IS 10 FEET, WHETHER IT'S A SINGLE STORY OR TWO STORY. SO THERE IS THAT, UM, CONCERN THAT, THAT THE REQUIRED SETBACKS THAT THE CITY CURRENTLY HAS ADDRESSES THOSE CONCERNS. AND ALSO, I'M SORRY, ALSO IN THE FRONT, THE REQUIRED SETBACK FOR SINGLE STORY IS 25 FEET AND IN MOST AREAS IN THE CITY AND 30 FEET FOR A SECOND FLOOR. SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND IF THAT'S OKAY, I'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO AGAIN, THE WINDOW TREATMENT, UM, AND THIS SIDE, UM, THIS SLIDE, UM, BRINGS, UM, ADDRESSES, BALCONIES, AND IT POINTS OUT THE, THE, AGAIN, THE PRIVACY, THE PRIVACY CONCERNS THAT, OR ISSUES THAT BA BALCONIES MAY BRING UP. AND THE FIRST ITEM IS SIMILAR TO WHAT COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS WAS SAYING ABOUT THE HER, THE STEPPING IN AND, UM, HORIZONTAL VERTICAL BREAKS. UM, AND THE FIRST ITEM ON THIS SLIDE TALKS ABOUT THE ADMINISTRATIVE USE PERMIT PROCESS OR THE CONDITIONAL USE PER PERMIT PROCESS. THAT AT THE VERY LEAST, AN A U P OR ADMINISTRATIVE USE PERMIT IS REQUIRED FOR ANY TWO-STORY DESIGN. AND THAT DOES REQUIRE AN NEIGHBOR NOTIFICATION, A 300 FOOT RADIUS. UM, AND THE OTHER ITEMS WERE, ARE ON THIS SLIDE IS SIMILAR TO THE SINGLE STORY DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT WERE, HAVE ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED REGARDING THE PARKWAY AND THE LANDSCAPING. AND THAT'S THE END OF, OF THE, THE PRESENTATION. IF, UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS ANY, UM, MORE, MORE INPUT OR IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO GIVE STAFF DIRECTION, I HAVE ONE MORE THING TO SAY. MM-HMM. ON AN APPRAISAL ON A PROPERTY, A HOUSE THAT IS UPDATED IS GONNA HAVE MORE VALUE THAN A HOUSE THAT IS NOT OUTSIDE AND INSIDE. SO YOU WOULD BE DEPRECIATING SOMEBODY'S HOME BY NOT ALLOWING THEM TO UPDATE IT. THESE GUIDELINES, IF I CAN, COMMISSIONER ROSSIER, IT'S NOT A WAY TO, I IMPEDE ON HOMEOWNERS TO, UM, UPDATE THEIR HOMES. WE DEFINITELY WANT, I MEAN, PART OF THE REVENUES THAT THE CITY RECEIVES IS THROUGH PROPERTY TAXES, RIGHT? SO IF YOU APPRAISE YOUR HOUSE AND IT GOES UP, IT, [01:00:01] IT CAN BE SELF-SERVING, BUT IT'S ALSO, IT BEAUTIFIES THE COMMUNITY AT THE END OF THE DAY. AND SO, UM, LIKE, UH, JOANNE MENTIONED THESE ARE GUIDELINES AND IF A HOMEOWNER DECIDES NOT TO GO OR DESIGN THEIR, UM, REMODEL OR THEIR FACADE, UM, BASED ON THESE GUIDELINES, THEY CAN DESIGN IT HOWEVER THEY PLEASE. AND IT THEN WOULD GO, UM, THROUGH A DIFFERENT PROCESS, I THINK THEN IT GOES THROUGH THE PLAN. THEY NOT LIKE THE WAY THE CITY WANTED THEM TO DO IT, AND IT WOULD BE MORE COSTLY THAN THEY WOULDN'T DO IT, AND THEN IT WOULDN'T BEAUTIFY A CITY. THEY JUST LEAVE IT. SO THERE'S, THERE'S PROS AND CONS, BUT I THINK THERE'S MORE CONS AND PROS ON THIS. OKAY. THEN WHAT WOULD YOUR SUGGESTIONS BE TO EITHER AMEND SOME OF THESE GUIDELINES OR, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANNA REMOVE SOME OF OF THEM? I'M JUST ABOUT US CHOOSING WHAT MATERIALS AND HOW THEY KNOW IF THEY SHOULD STUCCO OR, BUT WOULD WOULD S CITING, WHICH WOULD GIVE THEM TERMITES AFTER A WHILE. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, STUCCO LASTS LONGER. THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WOOD SIGHTING. YOU HAVE TO CONSTANTLY BE PAINTING. MM-HMM. THE PAINT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, AND THERE'S ELDERLY PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL HAVE, UH, CHIPPING PAINTING ALL OVER. WE'RE NOT GONNA, YOU KNOW, MAKE THEM PAINT THAT DO THE UPKEEP. STUCCO WAS JUST EASIER. I MEAN, I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE FOR US TO TELL THEM, REALLY. AND WE'RE NOT A, WE'RE NOT DESIGNERS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT ARCHITECTS. WE'RE NOT HERE TO, YOU KNOW, TELL THEM HOW THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GONNA DO MEDITERRANEAN, YOU HAVE TO PUT ARCHES. WELL, I DID MEDITERRANEAN IN MY HOUSE. I DON'T HAVE ARCHES. I JUST, YOU KNOW, IF YOU TOLD ME I HAVE TO PUT ARCHES, I WOULD JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE WORSE. , IT'D BE WORSE AS A CITIZEN. CORRECT. THERE'S A BALANCE BETWEEN ASKING THEM TO DO IMPROVEMENTS AND THEN MAKING IT TOO COSTLY FOR THEM TO DO THE ABSOLUTELY. IF I SAW, YEAH. SO I'LL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS BY THE COMMISSION , WHICH ONE? YEAH, BUT YOU HAVE TO COME UP TO THE PODIUM. LET ME, UH, THERE'S, UH, NOPE. UM, THIS IS A, A NON-HEARING ITEM, SO IT'S ONLY FOR THE COMMISSIONERS TO SPEAK ON. I'M SORRY, WHO'S GENTLEMAN IN THE AUDIENCE? . I DON'T KNOW EVERYBODY. WHAT WOULD IT BE? I'M SORRY. YOUR ATTORNEY WOULD HAVE BEEN, DO ORAL COMMUNICATION. I'M SORRY, WHAT? WHAT HIS SPEAKING LY WOULD'VE BEEN DOING ORAL COMMUNICATION. I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION? SORRY. WOULD HIS OPPORTUNITY HA TO SPEAK, WOULD HA WOULD HAVE BEEN DOING ORAL COMMUNICATIONS OR YES. NOT ON AGENDA ITEMS. ORAL COMMUNICATION. YES, NEITHER. OKAY. UM, IF, DOES ANY OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS HAVE AN ISSUE WITH ME REOPENING ORAL COMMUNICATIONS? NO PROBLEM. OKAY. AT THIS TIME, UH, SINCE THERE IS A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC PRESENT, I WILL OPEN REOPEN ORAL COMMUNICATIONS WITH A THREE MEMBER CONSENSUS TO PROCEED. UH, DO, DID YOU FILL A, A PINK CARD? JUST MAKE SURE YOU FILL THAT OUT. I GIVE IT TO PAULINA AFTER, BUT YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND SPEAK. WHAT WAS YOUR MARIO ALVARO DISTRICT THREE? UM, I'VE READ THROUGH THIS AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS I, THAT STOOD OUT TO ME IS THAT THE LANGUAGE IS SUGGESTIVE. THERE'S A LOT OF SHOULD BUT NOT MUST. AND I BELIEVE THAT THAT LEAVES IT OPEN TO, UH, DISCRETION AND INTERPRETATION, WHETHER IT BE THE COMMITTEE OR WHOEVER THE GOVERNING BODY WOULD BE, UH, FOR THESE THINGS. UM, I AM ONE THAT LOVES TO DO ADDITIONS AND MODIFICATIONS AND UPGRADES TO THE HOME. UM, SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THESE ASPECTS. UM, BUT THAT WAS THE MAIN THING I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF THROW OUT IS MY SENSE OF IT AFTER HAVING READ IT, IS THAT THE LANGUAGE IS SUGGESTIVE AND IT'S NOT ROBUST, SO TO SPEAK, AND DEFINITIVE. WHERE DOES IT STOP? UH, THAT'S WHERE IT BECOMES INTO THE DISCRETION. CAUSE I UNDERSTAND, UH, COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS WAS STATING SOMEBODY WANTS TO USE CONTAINERS TO BUILD A HOME. UH, THERE HAS TO BE SOME WAY FOR CITIZENS OR COMMUNITY TO DISCUSS THAT AND THEN SOMEBODY TO MAKE A DECISION ON IT. UM, I DON'T SEE THESE GUIDELINES TELLING ANYBODY THAT THEY CAN'T DO THAT. UM, I SEE THEM BEING MORE LIKE, THESE ARE THE MATERIALS THAT WE WOULD LIKE, OR THIS IS THE MANNER THAT WE WOULD LIKE CERTAIN THINGS TO BE. BUT I DON'T SEE IT AS A DEFINITIVE IN STONE. BUT AGAIN, IT IS OPEN INTERPRETATION, DEPENDING WHO'S SITTING ON WHAT [01:05:01] GOVERNING BODY THAT MAKES THAT DECISION. GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND MAKE SURE YOU GIVE OUT PINK CARD TO PAULINA. AND SO AT THIS TIME, I WILL GO AHEAD AND, UH, CLOSE ORAL COMMUNICATIONS AND, UH, GO BACK TO NON-HEARING ITEM DESIGN, REVIEW SUB COMMITTEE GUIDELINES, AND OPEN THE FLOOR FOR QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BY THE COMMISSION ONLY. WELL, IT, IT, IT SAYS YOU HAVE TO APPLY FOR THE CHANGES. SO IT DOES IN EFFECT, IN EFFECT, TELL YOU WHAT YOU CAN AND CAN'T DO. SO MAYBE WE SHOULD JUST GO THROUGH THESE ONE BY ONE. JUST BRING THEM BACK UP AND WE WANNA DO IT TONIGHT. WE HAVE IT UP ON THE POWERPOINT IF YOU WANNA, CAN WE SIT IT DOWN HERE THOUGH? OH, HUH. YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S, IT'S THERE BRIAN, I THINK. YES, IT IS. YEAH, IT'S THERE. IT'S THERE. YEAH, SORRY. OKAY. I GUESS WE'LL GO ONE BY ONE, UH, AND, UH, SEE IF WE CAN COME TO A CONSENSUS. IF NOT, THEN WE CAN BRING IT BACK TO WHEN WE HAVE, UH, MORE MEMBERS PRESENT. BUT, UM, JOANNE OR PAULINA, WILL YOU GUYS, LIKE, WHO WOULD LIKE TO GO ONE BY ONE ON THE CHANGE OR CHANGE? YEAH, WE CAN, WE CAN BRING UP THE POWERPOINTS AND WE CAN GO FOR THE FIRST, THE TOP ONE, THE FRONT ELEVATION OF THE HOUSE SHOULD BE DESIGNED TO ENGAGE THE STREET THROUGH THE PLACEMENT OF A DOOR, WINDOWS, AND THE FRONT PORCH, AS WELL AS OTHER ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES, UH, THAT DEFINE THE ELEVATION OF THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. SO I, I DON'T IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH THAT ONE OR WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE. NO, I THINK EVERYTHING EXCEPT FOR THE PORCH SHOULD BE AT THE DISCRETION OF THE HOMEOWNER. SO DOES THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY CHANGES ON THIS ONE STORY DESIGN GUIDELINE? WELL, AGAIN, WITH THE PORCH, WHICH I THINK, UM, COMMISSIONER, UM, CERIS MENTIONED WITH THE PORCH, YOU UNDERSTAND WHY THE PORCH WOULD END UP BEING LOWERED THAN THE MAIN HOUSE. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. THAT'S DIFFERENT. IF THEY'RE BUILDING A PORCH THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S A PERMIT OR, YOU KNOW, THE HEIGHT OR HOW THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET THAT CLEARED WITH THE CITY, BUT RIGHT. BUT SEE WHERE THEY'RE ALLOWING FOR THAT IS UNDER THAT, THAT COULD BE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY MAY WANT TO CHANGE. WELL, THEY, THEY SHOULD SEPARATE THAT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T, UH, THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT, THAT'S AN ADDITION. THAT'S NOT AN ELEVATION. YOU'RE, YOU'RE CHANGING, YOU'RE ADDING, THESE OTHER ITEMS ARE JUST COSMETIC. THAT'S NOT COSMETICS ADDITION. THAT ACTUALLY IS PART OF THE FRONT ELEVATION. NORMALLY WHEN YOU HAVE AN ELEVATION OF A BUILDING, YOU HAVE THE, OKAY, SO I'M PROPOSING YOU REMOVE THAT AND CHANGE THE ELEVATION TO THE OTHER ITEMS. IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT IN NEW WINDOWS OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW THIS, IF YOU WANNA GET REALLY DETAILED, THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO JUST PUT EVERYTHING OUT THERE AND MAKE IT A WHOLE PAGE OF EVERYTHING. SO THIS IS NOT APPLIES TO A HOME, THE ELEVATION, THAT'S THE PLACEMENT OF WHERE YOU PUT THE PORCH IN THE FRONT. UM, BUT WE, AND THAT'S IF THEY HAVE A PORCH, RIGHT? RIGHT. CUZ MANY OF THE TRACK HOMES NEVER HAD PORCHES LIKE CRAFTSMEN DO. BUT YOU WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE, UH, THE FRONT PORCH. YEAH. FROM, FROM THAT PARTICULAR, CUZ IT'S ALREADY IN ANOTHER PARAGRAPH. OKAY. OKAY. SO WHAT ARE WE DOING? I'M FINE WITH IT THE WAY THAT IT IS, OR I DON'T BELIEVE IT SHOULD DESIGNED TO ENGAGE THE STREET. I, I THINK ARE WE, ARE WE GIVING THE CITY THE, AGAIN, THE, THE CHOICE TO IN PORCH? SO, SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO TONIGHT IS WE'RE GONNA GET YOUR FEEDBACK AND WE'RE GONNA REDLINE IT, AND THEN, UM, WE'LL BE BRINGING IT BACK. MM-HMM. . SO TO THE, TO THE NEXT AVAILABLE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. OKAY. WHAT WAS THE PORCH? THE PORTRAIT SHOOT. THE, I I JUST THINK THAT, OKAY, SO THE ELEVATION, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHERE SHE'S SAYING WHERE TO PUT, WHERE SOMEBODY COULD PUT WINDOWS OR MM-HMM. . UM, SO DO WE HAVE TO GET PERMITS TO PUT WINDOWS IN? YES. YES. OKAY. SO, SO ANYWAYS, UM, SO THE PORCH, SO WE HAVE TO, TO, I MEAN, IF SOMEBODY'S JUST CHANGING WINDOWS, THEY'RE NOT CHANGING ANYTHING FROM THE LOOK, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MOVING, LIKE CLOSING WINDOWS AND PUTTING WINDOWS SOMEWHERE ELSE? UM, UM, YES AND NO. OKAY. SO, SO THIS SEC, THE FIRST ITEM IS TALKING ABOUT, UM, CERTAIN DEVELOPMENTS. [01:10:01] FOR INSTANCE, LIKE IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO REMOVE IN, REMOVE 80, LIKE, UM, A GARAGE, RIGHT? UM, AND BUILD ANOTHER GARAGE TO REPLACE THE GARAGE THAT WAS REMOVED, BUT THE GARAGE THAT THEY'RE REMOVING IS IN THE FRONT. SO THEY'RE CLOSING UP THE GARAGE DOOR, UM, IN ORDER TO MAKE IT PART OF THE LIVING AREA, AND THEY'RE JUST GONNA LEAVE A BLANK WALL. SO IN ORDER TO, TO ENG MAKE IT ENGAGE, UM, ENGAGING TO THE STREETS AND, AND MORE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING TO THE STREETSCAPE, RATHER THAN ALLOWING THEM TO JUST REPLACE THE GARAGE DOOR WITH A BLANK WALL, IT'LL HAVE A, A WINDOW THERE. SO IT'S NOT JUST HALF OF THE HOUSE IS NOT JUST A, A BLANK WALL. UM, BUT WOULDN'T THEY NEED A PERMIT FOR THAT AS WELL? YES, THEY DO NEED A PERMIT FOR THAT, AND THAT'S PART OF THEIR REVIEW. SO WE SAW THAT IN THE MOST RECENTLY IN THE SUBCOMMITTEE, RIGHT? YES. SO IT'S WHEN THEY, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU HAVE YOUR MAIN HOME, THEN YOU HAVE, UH, LET'S JUST SAY YOU HAVE YOUR MAIN HOME AND THEN YOU HAVE A GARAGE THAT CONNECTS TO YOUR MAIN HOME, AND NOW YOU SELL OFF THAT GARAGE JUST TO HAVE ONE DOOR ONLY. SO YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S CO COSMETICALLY CORRECTLY DONE THAT MAYBE THERE'S A WAY TO ADD A WINDOW, UH, OR EVEN A DOUBLE GLASS DOORS IN THAT, IN, IN, IN THIS ONE CASE, WHEN IT CAME TO THE SUB DESIGN COMMITTEE, I THINK WE RECOMMENDED A, INSTEAD OF YOU PUTTING A WINDOW THERE, YOU COULD PUT, UH, SLIDING GLASS DOORS THAT OPEN UP IN BETWEEN, WHICH MAKES IT A VERY, UH, BEAUTIFUL ADDITION MODERN LOOK TO, TO MATCH THE MAIN HOUSE. SO I THINK IT'S MORE OF MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S SOME SORT OF OVERSIGHT WHEN IT COMES TO DESIGN. THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA PUT A SLIDING GLASS DOOR IN THE FRONT OF A HOUSE NO, ON THE, ON THE GARAGE IN THIS CASE, BECAUSE IT WAS TURNED INTO AN ADU. GOT IT. ARE, ARE WE ON BULLET 0.2 IN AGAIN? THEY WOULD HAVE TO ON THE GARAGE, THEY STILL HAVE TO GET THE PERMIT FOR THAT, AND IT WOULD HAVE TO GO TO DESIGN REVIEW. YES. SO, AND THESE ARE DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR THE DESIGN REVIEW SUBCOMMITTEE. SO THESE ARE THE CURRENT, THESE ARE THE CURRENT RULES IN PLACE, RIGHT? YES. MM-HMM. , YES. SO WE, WELL, SO YEAH, SO THESE ARE THE RULES THAT ARE IN PLACE RIGHT NOW THAT YOU'VE BEEN VOTING ON AS A SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBER. BUT, UH, SO THEY'RE ASKING US SHOULD WE CHANGE ANY OF THESE BULLET POINTS RIGHT HERE? DO YOU THINK ANY OF THESE BULLET POINTS NEED SOME SORT OF CHANGING TO IT? SO THERE WAS A CHANGE BY COMMISSIONER BURRA TO THE FIRST BULLET POINT. IS THERE ANY CHANGES TO THE SECOND ONE? DESIGN THE HOUSE SO THAT ALL THE SETBACKS HAVE BEEN MET? WELL, THE, WHAT CHANGE AM I PUTTING IN THOUGH? DO YOU? YEAH. SO WHAT CHANGES THAT IT SHOULD BE OMITTED. YES. SO WE'RE REMOVING THAT. GOT IT. AND WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA BRING BACK A RED LINE COPY FOR YOU GUYS TO REVIEW. THANK YOU. SO WHAT, WHAT'S, WHAT WAS, UH, WHAT WAS HER, UH, PROPOSAL? UH, REMOVE THE FRONT PORCH. NO, NOT THE FRONT PORCH, THE WHOLE THING. I MEAN, WE'RE TELLING THEM HOW TO SEE, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S VERY VAGUE, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T SAY WHAT YOU CAN AND CANNOT DO. IT JUST SAYS, SO ONCE THEY GET THERE, THEY'LL SAY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THEY CAN SAY. THEY CAN'T DO IT. IT'S NOT VERY SPECIFIC ON WHAT CAN AND CAN'T BE DONE. OKAY. SO WE CAN, WE CAN MAKE IT MORE SPECIFIC AND, AND THEN WE'LL DRAFT SOME LANGUAGE AND THEN BRING IT BACK SO THAT YOU, UH, THE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN, CAN REVIEW THAT LANGUAGE. SO, WE'LL, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND REVISE THE FIRST ARE, ARE WE SAYING THAT THE FRONT PORCH CANNOT BE IN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE OR NO, NO, I THINK SHE, SHE WANTS THE FIRST BULLETPOINT TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFIC. YES. IN REGARDS TO WHY. SO WE WOULD WRITE THAT, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, NO, NO BLANK WALLS WIDER THAN A CERTAIN AMOUNT, LIKE TO PREVENT THAT GARAGE OR, UM, THE FRONT, THE FRONT ENTRY DOOR SH MUST FACE THE FRONT OF THE STREET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IF SO, THIS ALLOWS THE, UH, STAFF AND THE, UH, SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBERS A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY. IF WE, WE START BEING MORE SPECIFIC ON WHAT, LIKE EXAMPLES, UM, JOANNE MENTIONED, THEN I THINK THAT'S GONNA GO CONTRARY TO WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, COMMISSIONER BERA, WHERE YOU WANNA GIVE THE HOMEOWNERS FLEXIBILITY AS TO BEING ABLE TO DESIGN SOMETHING. UM, BUT IF YOU GET MORE SPECIFIC IN THIS ONE BULLET APPOINTMENT, NO, WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS FIND, FIND A, A HAPPY PLACE FOR EVERYBODY. MM-HMM. SO IF IT'S SOMETHING DRASTIC, OF COURSE, THEN YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE CITY. BUT IF IT'S JUST LITTLE LIPSTICK AND ROUGE, I MEAN, LET'S LEAVE IT, LET THEM DO THEIR THING. OKAY. SPECIFIC THEN POTENTIAL TO SAY IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT WRITTEN, SO THEREFORE YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THESE GUIDELINES AS IT IS. SO, WHICH [01:15:01] GENE? IT WASN'T SPECIFICALLY DETAIL WHEN SPECIFICALLY DETAIL AND AL AND ALSO WHEN, WHEN SOMETHING IS SPECIFICALLY DETAILED, THE SUBCOMMITTEE WOULD NOT HAVE, UM, I GUESS THE SUBCOMMITTEE IN ITSELF WOULDN'T, WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO APPROVE A PROJECT AND SAY THAT IT COMPLIES WITH THE DESIGN COMMISSION. UM, THE DESIGN REVIEW SUBCOMMITTEE GUIDELINES, WHEN, WHEN IT'S, IT OBVIOUSLY DOES NOT, UM, THERE'S NO FLEXIBILITY THERE AND THERE'S, AND THE PLANNING, THERE IS ALSO NO FLEXIBILITY OF HAVING THE DE THE PLANNING COMMISSION REVIEW THE PROJECT. WHEREAS WHERE IF IT'S, IF IT'S MORE VAGUE, UM, AND NOT VERY SPECIFIC, UM, THEN THAT, THAT ABILITY, UM, COULD, COULD BE DONE. UM, IF IT'S MORE SPECIFIC IN ORDER TO ALLOW ANY, ANY, OR APPROVE ANY APPLICATION THAT IS AESTHETICALLY OKAY OR PLEASING, UH, THEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS OF AMENDING THE DESIGN GUIDELINES AGAIN BEFORE THEY ARE ABLE TO MAKE A DECISION ON AN APPLICATION. SO CAN YOU GIVE AN EXAMPLE, JOANNE? I KNOW THAT YOU'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANNA REPLACE YOUR WINDOWS, YOU HAVE, THERE'S A PERMIT PROCESS THAT YOU GO THROUGH, BUT THEN THERE'S A DIFFERENT PROCESS OF, UM, I'M GOING TO REDO MY OR THE FACADE OF MY HOUSE OR DO AN ADDITION. SO, OKAY. SO IF THEY ARE JUST CHANGING OUT THE WINDOWS, UM, SAME SIZE WINDOWS, UM, SLIGHTLY, UM, OFF A LITTLE BIT FROM, FROM WHERE THEY HAVE OR ADDING ON AN ADDITIONAL WINDOW TO, TO THE FRONT FACADE OF THE HOUSE, WE GENERALLY, UM, JUST ALLOW THAT THROUGH THE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS. WE DON'T NECESSARILY REQUIRE, UM, DESIGN REVIEW, SO FROM THE APPLICATION FOR THAT. UM, BUT IF THEY ARE RE IF THEY CURRENTLY HAVE GENERALLY, THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU, IS THAT A YES OR A NO? SO THAT SHOULD BE IN THERE AS WELL THAT, I MEAN THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. BEING SPECIFIC DOES NOT APPLY TO PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST REPLACING WINDOWS. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT YOU WANTED? YEAH. OKAY. I THINK THAT CLARIFIES IT FOR US. OKAY. SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND ADD THAT. SO THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT AS LONG AS THEY'RE NOT DOING A MAJOR CONSTRUCTION, THEN THEY GOT HAVE TO GET THE RID, THEN THEY GO TO DESIGN REVIEW AND THEN IT ALL GOES BY WHATEVER APPROVED. YEAH, SO IT, SO IF I GO, IF I WANNA REPLACE MY WINDOWS AND IT INCLUDES WINDOWS THAT ARE ON THE, THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, I WON'T BE GOING THROUGH THE DESIGN GUIDELINES, I WON'T BE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS. IT WOULD BE GOING THROUGH BUILDING A SIMPLE OVER THE COUNTER PERMIT. BUT IF I WANTED TO ENLARGE THOSE WINDOWS AT A, YOU KNOW, GO FROM A SINGLE DOOR TO DOUBLE DOORS AND MY FRONT, UM, FRONT DOOR, THEN THAT'S WHEN I WOULD GO THROUGH THE DESIGN GUIDELINES. AND THEN THAT'S WHEN I WOULD FOLLOW THESE RECOMMENDATIONS OR GUIDELINES AT THE END OF THE DAY. UM, AND THE DOUBLE DOORS I'M TELLING, I DON'T THINK I WOULD, YOU KNOW, SAY THAT YOU HAVE TO GET A PERMIT TO PUT DOUBLE DOORS IN, BUT, WELL, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YEAH. THERE'S DIFFERENT SCOPE OF IMPROVEMENTS THAT WOULD TRIGGER THE DESIGN GUIDELINES AND A SIMPLE WINDOW PERMIT WOULDN'T. BUT THE, THE LARGER SCOPE OF PROJECTS, THE ONES THAT WE, FOR ME ALSO, LIKE I SAID, TO REMOVE SIDING, SHOULD NOT HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, WARRANT AN APPLICATION TO PUT STUCCO ON YOUR HOUSE, SHOULD NOT HAVE TO WARRANT AN APPLICATION. IF YOU'RE NOT CHANGING ANYTHING, YOU'RE JUST DOING STUCCO SO YOU CAN GET RID OF THE UGLY OLD SIDING THAT'S ALWAYS PEELING PAINT. YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO PAINT AND, AND IT'S OUTDATED CUZ YOU WANTED TO UPDATE YOUR HOME. SO MORE MODERN LOOK, IF IF, IF YOU'RE, I DON'T THINK THAT SHOULD BE SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO APPLY FOR. NO, IF YOU'RE REDOING YOUR, THE EXTERIOR OF YOUR HOME, YOU DON'T, AND LIKE FOR LIKE, THAT YOU'RE NOT CHANGING THE FACADE, JUST, UM, PAINTING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE DESIGN PROCESS. OKAY. THAT'S NOT WHAT I HEARD. I HEARD IF YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T EVEN TAKE OFF YOUR SIDINGS CUZ YOU, THEY WANT IT TO LOOK RETRO. LIKE CAN YOU CLARIFY JOANNE? OKAY, SO IF THEY, IF, OKAY. OKAY. SO IF THE BOTTOM PICTURE, UM, IS THEIR CURRENT HOUSE WHERE THEY HAVE WOOD SIDING, UM, OR IF THEY HAVE BRICK OR BRICK, UM, STONE OR SO FORTH, ANY TYPE OF SIDING OTHER THAN JUST STUCCO, THEY CAN'T JUST REMOVE THE, THE WOOD SIDING OR THE BRICK OR THE STONE AND REPLACE IT WITH PURELY ALL STUCCO LIKE THIS HOUSE, RIGHT? SO THAT, THAT WOULD REQUIRE A DESIGN COMMISSION SUB DESIGN REVIEW [01:20:01] SUBCOMMITTEE APPLICATION. UM, BUT IF THERE, IF THE HOUSE IS ALREADY LIKE THE TOP HOUSE WHERE IT'S ALL STUCCO, UM, AND WITH NO ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS, THEN WE WILL NOT, UM, THEY CAN CHANGE THIS, CHANGE THE STUCCO PAINT THEIR HOUSE, UM, REPAIR, UH, WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE DESIGN REVIEW SUBCOMMITTEE APPLICATION. SO IF IT'S THE SAME MATERIAL, SAME EXACT THING, NO APPLICATION. BUT IF IT'S A CHANGE THEN AN APPLICATION. SO YOU JUST SAID THOUGH THAT THEY WANTED TO TAKE OFF THE SIDING, THEY'D HAVE TO PUT IN AN APPLICATION. SO YES, TO ME, I JUST, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT SHOULD, THAT SHOULD BE REMOVED. I THINK IT'S KIND OF LIKE WITH THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS WE SEE NOW THAT ARE BEING CONSTRUCTED OVER ON VINCENT AND ROLAND 10 YEARS FROM NOW, THE PEOPLE MAY WANT TO CHANGE IT AND IN THEIR CASE, SINCE THEY HAVE AN HOA, THEY WILL DEAL WITH THE HOA BEFORE THEY COME TO THE CITY. THESE HOUSES DON'T HAVE HOAS. CORRECT. AND SO AT SOME POINT SEVERAL YEARS BACK, THE CITY DECIDED TO PROVIDE SOME TYPE OF PERIMETERS AND I IDENTIFIED WHAT KIND OF THINGS THEY WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE CHANGES THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE. I'M ASSUMING YOU WOULD LIKE TO ELIMINATE ALL OF IT OR A PORTION OF, UH, BULLET 0.3 IF WE, YEAH, SO ANYTHING THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I MEAN IT'S REAL SIMPLE. NO ONE SHOULD HAVE TO ASK TO REMOVE SIGHTING AND WANNA PUT STUCCO ON THEIR HOME. IT LOOKS CLEANER, YOU KNOW, TERMITES, YOU KNOW, NO PAINT PEELING, LESS UPKEEP. I MEAN IT'LL LOOK NICER. YOU KNOW, IT'LL, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANNA BEAUTIFY THE CITY, WE WON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, PEELING PAINT EVERYWHERE. UM, I JUST THINK THAT THAT, OR IF THEY WANNA PUT A DECORATIVE BRICK ALONG THE SIDE AROUND OF THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, THAT LOOKS NICE. I MEAN, THAT SHOULDN'T BE SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO APPLY FOR FOR, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANNA PUT ON A TILE ROOF OR A COMP ROOF, IT SHOULDN'T HAVE TO BE TOLD WHAT KIND OF ROOF THAT YOU PUT ON. OH, OKAY. SO LET'S, CAN WE STICK WITH THIS BULLET POINT BEFORE ? SORRY. FINE. SO DO YOU WANT TO, WHAT PORTION OF THIS DID YOU WANT TO EDIT OR REMOVE OR STRIKE OUT? I GUESS YOU JUST PUT ANY MAJOR CHANGES TO, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION TO THE, TO THE HOME WOULD, YOU KNOW, NEED TO GO, YOU KNOW, PULL A PERMIT OR APPLICATION AND DESIGN REVIEW. BUT ANY MINOR STUCCO TO ME IS MY, I MEAN, AND WE COULD PUT IN THERE WHAT IS CONSIDERED MINOR STUCCO REMOVAL OF THE, THE, UM, SIDING, WOODEN SIDING TO PUT STUCCO OR, OR JUST SAME SIZE WINDOWS REPLACEMENT, YOU KNOW, WOULD, YOU KNOW, BE EASY, YOU KNOW, APPROVED BY, BY PERMIT OR WHATNOT. UM, WELL SHE BRAINSTORMS THAT I'M GONNA CALL FOR A FIVE MINUTE FAST BREAK SO I CAN TAKE A RESTROOM BREAK REAL FAST SINCE, CUZ IF I LEAVE THERE'LL BE NO QUORUM. SO WE WILL RETURN IN, GIMME FOUR MINUTES. SO FOUR MINUTE TO BREAK AND I'LL BE RIGHT BACK. OKAY, GREAT. UH, PLANNING COMMISSION IS CALLED BACK TO ORDER AT 8 41 PACIFIC TIME PM AND WE'RE GO BACK WITH COMMISSIONER BERA. ARE WE GOING TO MOTION TO CONTINUE? I THINK THE, UH, COMMISSION, SIR, ARE WE, ARE WE STILL ON? WE WANNA FINISH ITEM ONE OR DO WANNA DO, OH, I THOUGHT IF WE COULD JUST GET A SUMMARY OF THE OVERALL CHANGES THAT YOU'D LIKE TO INCORPORATE INTO THE GUIDELINES AND WE CAN DO THAT INSTEAD OF GOING LINE ITEM BY LINE ITEM. CUZ I THINK IF I'M HEARING YOU CORRECTLY, YOU DON'T WANT TO REQUIRE ADDITIONAL, UM, MATERIALS OR ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS FOR REPLACING STUCCO. YES. UM, AND THE OTHER ITEM WAS THE ROOF MATERIAL. I THINK THOSE ARE YOUR TWO RIGHT CONCERNS. OKAY. AND, AND ALSO, UM, COMMISSIONER BERA WANTED TO BE MORE, UM, WANTED TO BE MORE TRANSPARENT ON, ON ITEMS THAT WILL NOT REQUIRE, UM, SUBCOMMITTEE LIKE FOR INSTANCE, A SA SAME WINDOW TO SAME WINDOW CHANGE OUT. RIGHT. UM, RIGHT. UH, DOOR CHANGE OUT AND SO FORTH. SO YEAH, THAT SOUNDS BETTER. SO LET'S DO, UM, CH PROPOSED FROM NEXT MEETING. WE'LL BRING HIM BACK AND THEN IT'LL BE IN RED SOME PROPOSED CHANGES AND THEN THE COMMISSION CAN VOTE, THE WHOLE COMMISSION CAN VOTE YES OR NO ON THOSE ADDITIONAL CHANGES. [01:25:01] GREAT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? NO. OKAY. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO BRING BACK, UH, THE DESIGN REVIEW SUBCOMMITTEE GUIDELINES, UH, AT THE NEXT, UH, AVAILABLE MEETING THAT STAFF DETERMINES. IS THERE A SECOND? I'D LIKE SECOND? NO, GO AHEAD. SECOND. OKAY. THERE'S A, UH, MOTION BY CHAIR GUTIERREZ AND THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BERA. PAULINA . UH, COMMISSIONER BERA. AYE. UM, VICE CHAIR WILLIAMS. AYE. AND THEN, UH, CHAIR GUTIERREZ AYE. WITH A COMMISSIONER HANGIN LEWIS, UH, ABSENT TODAY. GREAT. SO WE'LL GO ON TO COMMISSION REPORTS, COMMENTS AND MISS ITEMS. [COMMISSION REPORTS/COMMENTS AND MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS] WOULD ANY OF THE COMMISSION LIKE TO REPORT OR COMMENT ON AN ITEM SCENE? NONE. WELL, I'LL, I'LL JUST MAKE A COMMENT. I'LL JUST SAY THAT. UM, I LIKE TO COMMEND ALL THE CITY STAFF AND, AND PAULINA AND OUR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, ROXANNE AND ALL THE COMMUNITY SERVICE WORKERS AND OUR POLICE OFFICERS AND OUR FIREFIGHTERS FOR, AND OUR CITY COUNCIL FOR HOSTING A REMARKABLE, UH, FOURTH JULY CELEBRATION. I KNOW, UM, FIRE FIREWORKS, UH, WAS PROUD TO BE A PARTNER FOR THE CITY OF WEST VENA AND ITS OWNER, UH, MR. SALSA. AND, UH, IT'S GREAT TO SEE SUCH A REMARKABLE EVENT COME TO LIFE. IT WAS, IT WAS AMAZING. THAT WAS THE BEST FIREWORKS SHOW I'VE EVER SEEN. IT WAS ABSOLUTELY, I MEAN, YOU JUST HAD TO SAY, OH MY GOSH, THAT IS AMAZING. AND IT WAS SO ORGANIZED AND AT THE END WITH JUST EVERYTHING IT WAS, I CAN'T EVEN SAY HOW GOOD IT WAS. I CAN SAY THAT THERE SHOULD BE MORE FOOD. I WAS IN THAT LINE A LONG TIME. , BUT IT WAS DELICIOUS. AND POPCORN TOO. THAT POPCORN. ANY MORE COMMENTS? GREAT. SO WE'LL [3. COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR'S REPORT] GO TO COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTORS REPORT. PAULINA, DO YOU HAVE ANY ITEMS TO REPORT? YES. UM, JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR ATTENDING THE 4TH OF JULY IN OUR RESIDENCE. IT WAS A REALLY SUCCESSFUL EVENT. UM, WE DID HAVE A VERY SPECTACULAR 4TH OF JULY FIREWORKS SHOW, UM, WITHOUT ANY IN INSTANCES. INSTANCES, WELL, I CAN'T SPEAK TONIGHT. UM, AND OH, THAT WAS JUST A KICKOFF TO SOME OF THE SUMMER EVENTS THAT WE'RE HAVING. UM, WE'RE CON WE'RE STARTING THE COOL KIDS OF SUMMER, WHICH, UM, THE FIRST EVENT WAS LAST FRIDAY. THEIR FRIDAYS, UM, AND THEY'RE THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY, UM, AT 11:30 AM AND EACH FRIDAY IT'S A DIFFERENT LOCATION WITHIN OUR CITY OF WEST COVINA. SO FORMER MORE INFORMATION ON THAT. IF YOU COULD, UM, GO ON OUR WEBSITE TO, TO CHECK OUT WHERE THE THIS FRIDAY'S EVENT WILL BE. UM, WE'RE ALSO DOING OUR CONTINUING OUR SUMMER CONCERT SERIES. UM, TOMORROW WILL BE, UH, SOUTHLAND BAND AND IT'S HERE AT THE CITY HALL IN THE, UM, COURTYARD. UM, WE WILL BE HAVING OUR NEXT REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING ON JULY 18TH AT SEVEN O'CLOCK HERE IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS. AND THEN THE AUGUST 1ST FIRST COUNCIL MEETING IS, UH, CANCELED DUE TO NATIONAL NIGHT OUT. UM, SO WE HOPE THAT, UM, WE WON'T BE SEEING YOU IN THE CHAMBERS, BUT WE'LL SEE OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS OUT IN OUR COMMUNITY. UM, AND I THINK THAT'S IT FOR ME ON THAT REGARD. UM, AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY COUNCIL UH, ACTIONS TO REPORT TO THE COMMISSIONERS THIS EVENING. GREAT. UM, THE, THE NEXT, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING THIS MONTH WILL, UM, WE WILL NOT HAVE ANY, WE WILL BE CANCELED DUE TO LACK OF BUSINESS. SO THE NEXT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING WILL BE HELD ON AUGUST 8TH. OH, OKAY. OR SCHEDULED TO BE HELD ON AUGUST 8TH. THANK YOU FOR REMINDING ME. JAR. SO JULY 18TH. JULY 18TH, OR NO? YES. JULY 18TH IS CITY COUNCIL. CITY COUNCIL. CITY COUNCIL. YEAH. AND THIS WILL BE AUGUST 8TH. OKAY. YES, IT'LL BE AUGUST 8TH. AND JUST AS A HEADS UP, WE ARE GONNA BE DOING SOME, UM, IMPROVEMENTS TO OUR PARKING LOT, UM, THE FIRST WEEK OF AUGUST THE THIRD AND FOURTH AND 10TH AND 11TH. UM, IT'LL STILL BE ACCESSIBLE, UM, TO PARK ON CERTAIN SECTIONS AND WE'LL BE DOING SOCIAL MEDIA POST AND, UM, SO THAT RESIDENTS KNOW WHERE THEY CAN BE PARKING ON THOSE DAYS. SO, GREAT. SINCE THERE'S NO FURTHER BUSINESS TO CONSIDER, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED AT 8:47 PM PACIFIC [01:30:01] STANDARD TIME. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.