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          SEEING NONE. 
          HEY, 
          [Call to Order]
GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. 
          I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS, UH, REGULARLY SCHEDULED, UH, MEETING OF THE WEST COVINA PLANNING COMMISSION FOR APRIL 25TH, 2023 TO ORDER. 
          UH, WE'LL NOW TAKE A MOMENT, UH, FOR SILENT PRAYER OR MEDITATION, FOLLOWED BY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, WHICH WILL BE LED BY VICE CHAIR GUTTIER. 
          PLEASE RISE. 
          OKAY, PUT YOUR RIGHT HAND OVER YOUR HEART. 
          READY? BEGIN AND PLEDGE YOUR ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH YOU STANDS. 
          ONE NATION UNDER GOD OF ISRAEL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. 
          ALL RIGHT, PAULINA, ROLL CALL, PLEASE. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          PLANNING COMMISSIONERS. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER HAG HERE. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS, PRESENT. 
          COMMISSIONER BERA HERE. 
          VICE CHAIR GUTIERREZ HERE. 
          CHAIR LEWIS HERE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          MOVING ON 
          [1. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
TO THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES TONIGHT. 
          WE HAVE MINUTES FROM THE REGULAR MEETING, UH, FROM APRIL 11TH, 2023. 
          DO WE HAVE ANY CHANGES TO THE MINUTES? SEEING NONE, THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED AS PRESENTED. 
          MOVING 
          [ORAL COMMUNICATIONS]
ON TO ORAL COMMUNICATIONS. 
          UH, NOW IS FOR THE TIME FOR ANYONE TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA. 
          WE DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER CARD. 
          UH, KATHY NAVARRO, WILL YOU PLEASE COME FORWARD? GOOD EVENING. 
          UM, I READ THE INTERNET WRONG. 
          I WAS THINKING IT WAS COUNCIL MEETING TONIGHT, BUT I'M STILL GONNA GIVE YOU MY SPIEL. 
          ANYWAY. 
          I'M KATHY NAVARRO. 
          THIS IS KEN DYSON. 
          AND ROBERTA TRIMBLE. 
          UH, I'M ON THE BOARD OF PROJECT 29 11. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH IT. 
          ARE YOU WONDERFUL? UH, LAST YEAR, UH, SEVERAL OF THIS COUNCIL CAME TO OUR DINNER AUCTION, AND, UH, SO WE HAD A WONDERFUL TURNOUT. 
          AND I, AND I PERSONALLY AM ACQUAINTED WITH, WITH A FEW OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          UM, WHAT I CA WHY I CAME TODAY WAS TO, UH, BRING YOU UP TO DATE, WHAT OUR FACILITY IS DOING. 
          AND ALSO, I WANNA THANK THE CITY. 
          I WANNA THANK THE COUNCIL. 
          I WANNA THANK YOU ALSO BECAUSE YOU'RE PART OF THE PLANNING, I'M SURE THAT GOES INTO WHAT YOU ALLOW FOR CHARITIES IN, IN, UH, OR THAT YOU FEEL IS AN IMPORTANT, UM, CHARITY TO DONATE TO. 
          WELL, UM, IN 2020, SEE, WHAT WE DO IS WE, WE PROVIDE FOOD ENOUGH FOR FOUR PEOPLE IN A FAMILY. 
          AND THIS FOOD CONSISTS OF, UH, I'LL JUST GO THROUGH THIS QUICKLY. 
          UM, BREAD, MILK, UH, DESSERTS, MEAT, EGGS, VEGETABLES, ALL FRESH VEGETABLES, SOME CANNED, UM, WE BOX IT UP AND WE HAVE THEM MEET IN OUR PARK IN THE PARKING LOT WHERE WE'RE ABLE TO USE A FACILITY. 
          UH, ILLUMINATE CHURCH HAS ALLOWED US TO USE A FACILITY. 
          WE DO HELP THEM, PAY THEM A SMALL STIPEND FOR THE USE OF THE PROPERTY. 
          THEY PARK IN THE PARKING LOT BECAUSE THE CITY OF COVINA DOES NOT WANT US TO ALLOW PEOPLE IN THE BUILDING. 
          BECAUSE OF COVID 29. 
          WE'VE HAD TO HAVE PEOPLE STAY IN THEIR CAR. 
          WE HAVE THE BOXES READY TO LOAD INTO THEIR CAR AS THEY DRIVE FROM THE PARKING LOT AROUND SECOND STREET. 
          AND IN FRONT OF, UH, THE ILLUMINATE, UH, FACILITY. 
          WE PUT IT IN THEIR TRUNK AND THEY'RE OFF. 
          SO, IN, UH, 2020 WHEN WE HAD COVID, WE SERVED, UH, 37,000 PEOPLE. 
          AND, UH, AND 2021 WE SERVED, UH, 32,000. 
          IT DROPPED A LITTLE, WHICH WE WERE SURPRISED, BUT NOW THE NUMBERS ARE UP AGAIN. 
          WE'RE UP TO AROUND 40,000 PEOPLE THAT WE SERVED LAST YEAR, AND AS OF TO DATE, WE ARE AT 13,000. 
          SO THE NUMBERS ARE STILL THERE. 
          WE STILL HAVE A GREAT NEED. 
          WE'RE AN ALL VOLUNTEER GROUP. 
          NOBODY IS PAID. 
          AND THAT'S THE AMAZING THING ABOUT OUR, OUR DONATIONS. 
          WE'RE 
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THERE TO HELP PEOPLE. 
          WE WANT THEM TO HAVE HOPE. 
          WE WANT THEM TO HAVE DIGNITY. 
          UH, A LOT OF THEM COME AND THEY'VE GOT TERRIFIC STORIES TO DELL. 
          EVEN ROBERTA HAS, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY IN HERE HAS PROBABLY HAD A HARDSHIP AT ONE TIME. 
          AND WHERE DO YOU GO? WHERE DO YOU TURN TO, YOU KNOW, WELL, YOU GO AND YOU APPLY FOR, FOR A, FOR SOME ASSISTANCE THROUGH THE GOVERNMENT, YOU KNOW, LOCALLY. 
          SO WHEN THEY HEAR ABOUT US, THEY COME AND WE, WE TRY TO, TO MAKE THEM FEEL LIKE THEY'RE WELCOME, LIKE THEY'RE PROVIDING FOR THEIR FAMILY. 
          NOT THAT IT'S AN INSULTING THING, BUT IT'S A NECESSARY THING. 
          AND WE'RE HAPPY THAT WE CAN DO THIS. 
          UM, IN 2022, WE, WE, UM, HAVE BEEN WRESTLING WITH THE IDEA OF, UH, TRYING TO BRING PEOPLE IN, BUT WE STILL CAN'T DO THAT. 
          UM, FOR SOME REASON IT'S JUST NOT, IT'S NOT WORKING OUT BECAUSE WE'VE GOT IT SO WELL ORGANIZED. 
          WE'RE GONNA KEEP PEOPLE IN THEIR CAR AND PASSING IN FRONT, AND WE'LL PUT THE, THE FOOD IN THEIR CAR. 
          UM, I'M HOPING THAT WE'LL HAVE AN OPEN HOUSE IN JUNE AND OUR DINNER AUCTION, WHICH IS, UH, EITHER A LUNCHEON OR AN EVENING EVENT, WE'LL BE GIVING OUT INVITATIONS. 
          AND WE HOPE THAT YOU WOULD ALL WOULD, WOULD COME AT LEAST TO THE OPEN HOUSE. 
          WE HAVE A FREE GIFT FOR EVERYBODY WHO COMES. 
          UH, AND I THINK THAT YOU'LL ENJOY IT. 
          AND, UH, A LOT, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF, A LITTLE SNACK. 
          WON'T CALL IT A BIG DINNER. 
          IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, AND, AND SO I, I TRULY, AGAIN, WANNA THANK YOU FOR, IF IT WASN'T FOR, FOR YOU AND FOR YOUR GENEROSITY, BECAUSE WEST COVINA HAS BEEN ONE OF THE BIGGEST DONORS TO US. 
          WE ARE SO THANKFUL. 
          UM, EVEN THOUGH IT'S IN COVINA, COVINA IS LAGGING. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE WRESTLING WITH COVINA. 
          WE'RE HAVING A LITTLE COMPETITION WITH THEM. 
          AND COUNCIL, THEY ALL LAUGH AT THAT. 
          YOU KNOW, THEY ALL THINK IT'S FUNNY, BUT, BUT I DON'T THINK COVINA THINKS IT'S VERY FUNNY. 
          . 
          ANYWAY, UM, I DO WANNA THANK YOU. 
          OH, AM I OUT OF TIME? OKAY. 
          ANYWAY, THAT'S WHY I AM HERE. 
          I JUST WANNA THANK YOU AND, AND BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION. 
          I'LL BE BACK NEXT WEEK WHEN THE COUNCIL'S HERE AND, UH, MAYBE TALK A LITTLE FASTER OR A LITTLE BIT MORE ORGANIZED. 
          ANYWAY, THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DOES ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM, WHICH IS NOT ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING? ALL RIGHT, SEEING NONE, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON 
          [2. CODE AMENDMENT NO. 23-02 CEQA EXEMPTION TYPE]
TO THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS EVENING. 
          UH, ITEM NUMBER TWO, CODE AMENDMENT NUMBER 23 DASH OH TWO C. 
          EXEMPTION. 
          UH, THE APPLICANT IS, UH, MOSEN KAMI. 
          UM, LET'S SEE, PAULINA, WHO WILL PRESENT THE STAFF REPORT. 
          UM, OUR PLANNING MANAGER, JOANNE BURNS, WILL BE PROVIDING THE PRESENTATION. 
          GOOD EVENING, HONORABLE CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          ALSO, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. 
          THE, THE PURPOSE OF THE OBJECTIVE OF THE PROPOSED CODE AMENDMENT IS TO ALLOW FOR AL BEER AND WINE SALES AT SERVICE STATIONS THROUGH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PROCESS. 
          THIS ITEM HAS BEEN CONSIDERED OR REVIEWED BY THE, BOTH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL SEVERAL TIMES THROUGH, UM, THROUGHOUT THE YEARS. 
          IN 2008, IT WAS INITIAL, INITIALLY IT WAS INITIATED BY THE CITY COUNCIL, BUT FINN WAS ABANDONED. 
          UM, IN 2010, IT WAS INITIATED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT LATER ON, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD REID RESCINDED THE CODE AMENDMENT INITIATION. 
          AND IN 2018, IT WAS REVIEWED BY THE, INITIATED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND REVIEWED, BUT WAS NOT ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          AND IN TWO, UM, 2020, IT WAS INITIATED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          UM, IT WENT THROUGH PLANNING, COMMISSION, HEARING, AND CITY COUNCIL HEARING, BUT NO ACTION WAS TAKEN. 
          THERE ARE THREE DIFFERENT CO CODE SECTIONS IN THE CITY'S MUNICIPAL CODE THAT ADDRESSES ALCOHOL SALES, UM, BEING PROHIBITED IN SERVICE STATIONS. 
          SO IF, UM, THIS CODE AMENDMENT WAS TO GO THROUGH AND AS WRITTEN AN A DRAFT ORDINANCE, THE, UM, THERE WOULD BE CROSS REFERENCES TO THESE SECTIONS. 
          CURRENTLY, THE WEST COVIN MUNICIPAL CODE DOES NOT ALLOW THE ALCOHOL SALES AT SERVICE STATIONS AND ALL OTHER OFF SALE USES ARE ALLOWED THROUGH THE ADMINISTRATIVE USE PERMIT PROCESS. 
          UM, I JUST WANTED NOTE THAT THE LANG THE WORDS OFF SALE IS WHAT THE CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE CONTROL USES 
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TO DESCRIBE OFFSITE SALES FOR OFFSITE CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES AS PROPOSED BY MR. UM, KAMI, UM, THE DRAFT CODE AMENDMENT WOULD ONLY ALLOW FOR SALES OF BEER AND WINE, AND IT WOULD NOT ALLOW FOR DISTILLED SPIRITS. 
          THE, THE ENTIRE SITE IS REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH CURRENT CODE STANDARDS IN ORDER TO QUALIFY FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION. 
          THE, UM, ON THE PROJECTOR ARE THE CONTENTS OF WHAT'S GOING TO BE REQUIRED. 
          IF IT, UM, THE OFF, UM, IF THE SALES OF BEER AND WINE WOULD, WOULD BE ALLOWED THROUGH THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PROCESS WITHIN SERVICE STATIONS, UM, IT WOULD BE LIMITED TO 10%. 
          UH, THE SALE OF BEER AND WINE IN QUANTITIES FEWER THAN THREE CONTAINERS, OR THE DISTRIBUTORS, THEIR DISTRIBUTORS INTENDED RESALE UNITS WOULD, WOULD BE, UH, IT WOULD BE LIMITED TO TO, TO THESE. 
          UM, AND ALSO WE WOULD REQUIRE THE INSULATION OF A CCTV SYSTEM. 
          THESE ARE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS, UH, THAT IS IN PLACE THAT THAT'S BEING PROPOSED IN THE DRAFT CODE AMENDMENT. 
          UM, IN ADDITION TO THOSE THAT ARE, THAT ARE, UM, STATE REQUIRED, AND THE ITEMS LISTED ARE THE, THE TYPICAL, UM, STATE REQUIRED CONDITIONS FOR SELLING BEER AND WINE IN SERVICE STATIONS. 
          UM, IT, THEY WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO HAVE A BEER AND WINE WITHIN FIVE FEET OF THE CASH REGISTER. 
          UM, ADVERTISING, ADVERTISING IS PROHIBITED. 
          THEY'D HAVE TO A ASK FOR ID. 
          UM, NO PAYPHONES, THEY CAN'T BE SOLD IN ICE TUBS. 
          UH, NO VIDEO GAMES OR VIDEO ENTERTAINMENT SYSTEMS AND SIGNAGE WOULD HAVE TO BE, UM, PERMITTED SAYING THAT BEER AND WINE CAN BE CONSUMED ON SITE, AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO SELL, UH, BEER AND WINE FOR SOME FOR INDIVIDUALS OVER 21 YEARS OLD. 
          UM, I HAVE SOME STATISTICAL INFORMATION PERTAINING TO THE CITY ON THE PROJECTOR. 
          UH, UM, CURRENTLY THERE ARE 20, UM, 25 LIQUOR STORES, CONVENIENCE STORES, OR MINI MARTS. 
          THESE, THESE ARE, WE HAD LUMPED THESE, ALL THESE TYPES OF BUSINESS TOGETHER WITH ACTIVE OFF SALE ALCOHOL LICENSES WITHIN THE CITY. 
          UM, THERE ARE 21 SUPERMARKET PHARMACIES OR DEPARTMENT STORES, UM, WITH OFF ACTIVE OFF SALE LICENSES FOR, FOR A TOTAL 46. 
          AND AS FAR AS GASOLINE STATIONS ARE CONCERNED, THE GASOLINE SANCTIONS WITH CON MOST, WELL ALL GASOLINE STATIONS IN THE CITY HAVE CONVENIENCE STORES, AND THERE ARE 20 GASOLINE STATIONS IN THE CITY WITH ACTIVE BUSINESS LICENSES. 
          UM, THIS, UM, TODAY I HAD RECEIVED TWO EMAILS, UM, ONE FROM MR. HERRE HOLTZ, UM, AN HE SENT AN EMAIL IN SUPPORT OF THE PROPOSED CODE AMENDMENT, AND ANOTHER EMAIL WAS RECEIVED, BUT, UM, AND WAS SENT BY MR. ROBERT TORRES AGAINST THE PROPOSED CODE AMENDMENT. 
          AND THE BOTH EMAILS HAVE BEEN FORWARDED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND ALSO A COPIES OF THOSE EMAILS HAVE BEEN PRINTED OUT, UM, FOR, FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS WELL. 
          IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, STAFF IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER. 
          THE RECOMMENDATION IS FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO CONSIDER THE DRAFT CODE AMENDMENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DOES ANY MEMBER OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS POINT? NOT AT THIS TIME. 
          DOES THE CODE CURRENTLY, UM, ALLOW ANY OF THE GAS STATIONS, OR THIS IS SOMETHING CITYWIDE THAT THIS AT THIS POINT IS NOT ALLOWED? NO ALCOHOL BEVERAGES, THE SALE OF ANY ALCOHOL BEVERAGES, IS THAT CORRECT? THE PROPOSED CO CODE AMENDMENT WOULD BE CITYWIDE. 
          UH, CURRENTLY THE CITY DOES NOT ALLOW GAS STATIONS TO SELL BEER AND WINE OR ANY TYPE OF ALCOHOL. 
          THANK YOU, MR. HANK. 
          ANY QUESTIONS RIGHT 
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NOW? I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. 
          UM, WAS THERE ANY SURVEY OF, OF WHETHER OR NOT SURROUNDING CITIES HAVE SIMILAR ORDINANCES BANNING GAS STATIONS FROM SELLING BEER AND WINE? UM, THERE, MOST SURROUNDING CITIES DO ALLOW THE SALES OF BEER AND WINE WITHIN, WITHIN SERVICE STATIONS OR GAS STATIONS. 
          THERE ARE ONLY, THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY LESS THAN A HANDFUL, UM, IN THE AREA THAT DOES NOT ALLOW FOR IT. 
          UM, ANY ADJOINING CITIES? N UM, NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. 
          IS THERE A REASON WHY WE'VE NEVER HAVE, HAVE ALLOWED IT IN THE PAST? I BELIEVES, UM, SEVERAL, SEVERAL YEARS AGO WHEN, UM, ABC CAME INTO PLAY, UH, CITIES THAT HAD, UM, PROHIBITIONS IN THE CODE THAT PREVENTED ALCOHOL, SALES AND SERVICE STATIONS WERE ALLOWED TO KEEP THAT PROHIBITION. 
          BUT, BUT IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE, YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO ADD, UM, THE SAME PROB PROHIBITION. 
          SO WE'RE, I GUESS, IN SHORT GRANDFATHERED IN, ARE THERE ANY SITES IN EXISTENCE THAT STILL FALL UNDER THE GRANDFATHERED PRES, UH, PROVISION? UM, I, UH, I USED TO WORK FOR THE CITY OF LANY, FL RIDGE, AND THEY, THEY DO NOT ALLOW SALES OF BEER AND WINE AND GASOLINE STATIONS. 
          UM, AND I KNOW THAT FOR A FACT, AND I, I BELIEVE THERE'S ONE CITY IN ORANGE COUNTY THAT DOES NOT ALLOW FOR ALCOHOL SALES IN GAS STATIONS. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD WHAT CITY THAT IS. 
          WHAT, WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET AT IS WITHIN THIS CITY WHEN, WHEN THIS CITY BANNED GAS STATIONS FROM SELLING BEER AND WINE, IS, ARE THERE ANY, UM, ARE THERE ANY SERVICE STATIONS STILL IN EXISTENCE THAT HAVE THE ABILITY TO SELL, UH, BEER AND WINE CURRENTLY? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          AND JUST A, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ON, UM, DO WE HAVE ANY EXISTING DATA JUST GOING INTO THIS WITH REGARD TO THE NUMBER OF, UH, ALCOHOL RELATED CITATIONS, LIKE DRINKING IN PUBLIC THAT, THAT OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT IS HANDING OUT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS? WE DON'T HAVE THAT ON HAND RIGHT NOW. 
          I, MY QUESTION. 
          UM, AND THEN, UH, WITH REGARD TO, UH, WITH REGARD TO THE VERIFICATION OF CCTV BEING IN USE, WHO, WHO, WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT UNDER THIS PROPOSED, UH, UH, CODE AMENDMENT? UM, IT WAS INCLUDED IN MR. KAREEM'S LETTER TO HAVE A CAMERA SYSTEM. 
          OKAY. 
          WHO, WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING SURE THAT THAT IS, UH, THAT THAT IS IN PLACE AT ALL TIMES? UM, WE, IF, IF THIS WAS TO COME TO PLACE IN A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WAS REQUIRED AND IT WAS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THEN AS PART OF, AS PART OF THE PROCESS, STAFF WOULD GO OUT, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CCTV IS INSTALLED PRIOR TO, UM, LETTING A B, C KNOW THAT IT'S OKAY TO ISSUE THE, THE LICENSE. 
          OKAY. 
          I, MY ONLY QUESTION, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS IMPLEMENTED, UH, WE WOULD HAVE THE TECHNICAL EXPERTISE TO ENSURE THAT ONE, IT'S IN EXISTENCE, THAT THE CAMERAS ARE ACTUALLY RECORDING THINGS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO I, I'M A LITTLE UNCLEAR AS TO HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE ENFORCED. 
          UH, LET'S SEE. 
          THE, UM, THE POLICING PART, UM, FOR OTHER, FOR OTHER SIM UM, PROJECTS, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS STANDARD CONDITIONS REGARDING THE REQUIREMENT OF CC T, UM, A CCTV SYSTEM. 
          AND AS PART OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PROCESS, UH, THAT TYPICALLY THE, OR THAT TYPICALLY IS ADOPTED AS A CON, UM, IS INCLUDED IN CONDI AS A CONDITION IN ADDITION TO, TO THIS PARTICULAR CODE REQUIREMENT. 
          SO THE LANG THE LANGUAGE IN THAT IS VERY SPECIFIC. 
          OKAY. 
          AND DO WE HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE WHETHER OR NOT PD IS REGULARLY ENFORCING THESE TYPES OF PROVISIONS IN OUR CODE? 
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UM, I DON'T, I, I DON'T BELIEVE THEY, THEY HAVE, UM, SOMEBODY IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT INSPECTS REGULARLY, BUT I, BUT I DO KNOW THAT SOME, UM, IF, IF AN INCIDENT WAS TO HAPPEN, UM, PD UH, UH, PD OBTAINS INFORMATION FROM, FROM BUSINESS OWNERS OR, OR PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH, WITH A, WITH CAMERA SYSTEMS, BUT I'M, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT ANYBODY ACTUALLY GOES OUT THERE PERIODICALLY, BUT THAT IF THIS IS APPROVED AND A CONDITION, A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS APP, UH, APPLIED FOR AND APPROVED, THOSE PARTICULARS CAN BE INCLUDED IN THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. 
          UM, WHETHER OR NOT WE, YOU WOULD RE THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD REQUIRE STAFF TO, TO MONITOR, UM, THE PARTICULAR BUSINESS IN AN ANNUAL BASIS OR, OR EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS, UM, WHICHEVER THE PLANNING COMMISSION DESIRES AT THAT TIME. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          ARE YOU ASKING FOR MONITORING OF THAT SYSTEM OR MAKING SURE THAT IT GETS INSTALLED? WELL, OBVIOUSLY MAKING SURE ONE, IT'S INSTALLED IF IT DOESN'T EXIST. 
          AND THEN TWO, UM, IT, THE, THE VERSION THAT I READ SAID THAT THERE NEEDED TO BE CONSISTENT RECORDING IS, IS MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WAS GOING ON ON SITE. 
          AND THAT IT WAS A VERY BROAD, UH, VERY BROAD IN TERMS OF COVERAGE VIA CAMERA ANGLES, IS MY UNDERSTANDING AS I READ THE PROPOSED CODE AMENDMENT. 
          SO I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE ACTUALLY IN GONNA ENFORCE, OR WE'RE JUST GONNA SORT OF, YOU KNOW, TAKE IT ON, ON FAITH KIND OF THING. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY ABOUT IT. 
          WELL, AS JOAN WAS TRYING TO INDICATE IF IT'S A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, THEN WE DO HAVE TO, WHEN WE, BEFORE WE FINAL OR SIGN OFF, UM, STAFF DOES HAVE TO GO AND MAKE SURE THAT THOSE CONDITIONS ARE MET SO THAT IT, IF, AS FAR AS IT BEING INSTALLED AS FAR AS AN ANNUAL MAINTENANCE AND HAVING PD, WE'D HAVE TO TALK WITH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          I'M NOT SURE, UM, HOW THAT WOULD WORK. 
          UM, JUST CUZ THEN IT BECOMES A MAINTENANCE ISSUE MORE THAN, UM, INSTALLATION REQUIRED BY THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND ULTIMATELY THAT'S, THAT'S THE PROBLEM. 
          I MEAN, WE HAVE A RELATIVELY SMALL BUREAUCRACY IN WEST COVINA, SO IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR US TO IMPOSE ALL OF THESE ADDITIONAL STANDARDS ON THINGS AND THEN EXPECT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE ENFORCED ON ANY KIND OF REGULARITY. 
          THAT'S THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE. 
          SO OBVIOUSLY THAT IS PART OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT. 
          AND ULTIMATELY, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF IT IS PART OF A PROPOSED AMENDMENT THAT IS ULTIMATELY APPROVED, THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN HAVE A REASONABLE EXPECTATION THAT IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE ENFORCED, BECAUSE OTHERWISE, WHAT'S THE POINT? SO, UH, VICE CHAIR GUTIERREZ. 
          YEAH, AND I WILL, UH, CONCUR WITH THAT TOO BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, INFORMATION MISSING ON, ON THE ENFORCEMENT PART THAT IF THE CITY WAS TO, I MEAN, EVEN THOUGH, I MEAN THE VOTERS I'VE SPOKEN TO, WHICH WERE MANY WERE AGAINST ANY IDEA OF THIS, BUT I BELIEVE THAT IF AN AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD OR A VOTER WAS TO BE OKAY WITH THIS, I THINK, UM, IT HAS TO ADDRESS THE, THE RISK AND THEN THE SECURITY ISSUES AND THE POLICING ABILITIES, THE CODE ENFORCEMENT ABILITIES, THE, A ABILITY FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT TO INSPECT THE BUSINESS ON THE SPOT WITHOUT PRIOR NOTICE. 
          I BELIEVE IT HAS TO, UH, SPECIFY IF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL HAVE 24 7 ACCESS TO THOSE CCTV CAMERAS, LIKE I BELIEVE IN THE B IN THE CITY OF BOWEN PARK. 
          I THINK THEY HAVE, UH, AC I, I BELIEVE THEIR POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS ACCESS FROM THEIR OWN POLICE STATION TO ACCESS THE CAMERAS INTO THE MARIJUANA DISPENSARIES THAT BOWEN PARK HAS, UH, THE CULTIVATION LOCATIONS, SO THAT I KNOW, I KNOW THERE'S DIFFERENT, UH, REGULATIONS AND POLICIES THAT CAN BE PUT IN PLACE, UH, FOR, FOR, FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS. 
          AND, AND, UH, HOPEFULLY IN, IN THE FUTURE, UM, THOSE, THOSE STEPS CAN BE, UH, TAKEN. 
          AND DO, DO WE DO ANY, DO WE DO ANY RESEARCH REGARDS TO, UM, THE SALES TAX THAT WILL BE GENERATED AND HOW IT'LL BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY AND, AND WHAT FUNDING, WHERE THE MONEY WILL BE GOING TO IF GENERATED AND SO FORTH? THAT WAS NOT PART OF THE, THE INFORMATION INCLUDED IN THE REPORT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S ALL FOR NOW. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, WE'VE RECEIVED, THANK YOU, JOANNE, FOR THE INFORMATION AND EMAILS FROM RESIDENTS. 
          UM, THERE WAS AN EMAIL THAT HAD QUITE A BIT OF INFORMATION AND THANK YOU. 
          LAS RESIDENT, ROBERT TORRES, I BELIEVE HIS NAME IS. 
          UM, IS THERE ANY VALIDITY TO THE, THE INCREASED CRIME 
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AND ALCOHOL RELATED INCIDENCES WHERE THERE WOULD BE AT THOSE SPECIFIC, YOU KNOW, UM, AT THOSE GAS CHANGES, WHICH THEY'RE ALREADY MAY BE AT THE 7-ELEVEN AND OTHER LIQUOR STORES, BUT WOULD THAT INCREASE IN CRIME IN THOSE AREAS IS, SORRY, , SO YOU WANTED TO KNOW, I MEAN, DO WE HAVE ANY DATA OF OTHER CITIES AND NOT, UM, DATA FROM OTHER CITIES? I KNOW THAT IN THE PAST AND NO, WE HAVE NOTHING TO COMPARE IT WITH, BUT IS THERE ANY, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IS THIS INFORMATION, YOU KNOW, WHAT I WAS READING WAS VERY IN, UH, INTERESTING. 
          I MEAN, WE, WE LOOK AT THIS FROM ALL ANGLES. 
          YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE ALSO RESIDENTS HERE AND WE'RE JUST REPRESENTING OTHER RESIDENTS, SO I'M JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD BE. 
          WHAT IF THAT INFORMATION IS INDEED CORRECT. 
          THE ONE THAT WAS PROVIDED BY, UH, MR. TOR, I, WE GOT IT THIS AFTERNOON, SO I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHETHER THAT'S ACCURATE OR NOT. 
          I KNOW THAT SOME OF IT'S FROM LA COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, UM, SO WE'D HAVE TO TAKE A LITTLE DEEPER LOOK INTO WHERE THAT INFORMATION WAS OBTAINED FROM. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I GUESS I HAVE ONE. 
          UM, LOOKING AT THE MAP, I THINK, I'M NOT SURE WHO ON THIS. 
          UM, ROBERT TORRES, AGAIN, LOOKING AT THE MAP ON THE LAST PAGE, IT SEEMS LIKE THE MAJORITY OF THE GAS STATIONS IS MORE TOWARD THE NORTH, UM, NORTHWEST OF OUR CITY. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT THE LAST PAGE, THAT WOULD BE THE LAST PAGE, THE THICK PACKAGE THAT WE GOT. 
          SO IT SEEMS LIKE THE 20 GAS STATION OR SOS THAT WE HAVE WITHIN OUR CITY, IT SEEMS LIKE MAJORITY OF THAT WAS SOMEHOW MORE TOWARD THE NORTHWEST OF OUR CITY. 
          IT'S VERY CONCENTRATED IN THAT SECTION OF OUR CITY. 
          SO I'M A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT THAT AS WELL. 
          I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING REGARDING THE EXISTING LOCATIONS CURRENTLY, BUT THAT WILL IMPACT THAT SECTIONS OF OUR CITY. 
          SO, SO THERE ARE 46 RIGHT NOW, SITES THAT SELL THE ALCOHOL WITH, WITH THE EXISTING GAS STATIONS. 
          HOW MANY WOULD THAT ADD? SO I THINK IT IS A TOTAL OF 46. 
          46. 
          IT WOULD BE A TOTAL. 
          OKAY. 
          I THOUGHT THERE WAS CURRENTLY 46 THERE. 
          THERE'S CURRENTLY 46, THERE'S 20 GAS STATIONS, ASSUMING THAT ALL GAS STATIONS ARE, ARE APPLIED FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND ARE APPROVED FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS, THEN THAT WOULD MAKE T 66 66 . 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALL RIGHT, SEEING NONE, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL FORWARD THE APPLICANT. 
          UH, UH, MOSEN, UH, KAMI, PLEASE COME FORWARD. 
          I HOPE I DIDN'T BUTCHER NAME TOO BADLY. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS MOSEN KAMI. 
          I'VE BEEN, UH, MY LOCATION ON 2 46 NORTH CITRUS IN WESTCO. 
          I'VE BEEN SERVING THE COMMUNITY OVER HALF, UH, FOUR DECADES, 43 YEARS, ALMOST IN THE SAME LOCATION. 
          AND, UM, BEFORE , BEFORE THE SERVICES STATION WAS THERE TO UPDATE PEOPLE WITH THE CAR PROBLEM, NOW IT'S TOTALLY CHANGED TOWARDS THE MARKET. 
          IT'S NOT THE GAS STATION. 
          IT REALLY, YOU KNOW, IS IT, UM, UM, CONVENIENT STORE. 
          THAT'S WHY WE GOING TOWARDS THE, UM, AND UH, UH, TO SATISFY OUR, UH, COMMUNITY AND MY CONSUMER. 
          THAT'S WHY WE ARE TRYING TO GET THE, UH, BEER AND LICENSE, BEER AND WHITE LICENSE TO MAKE MORE CONVENIENCE FOR MY CONSUMERS, MORE CUSTOMERS. 
          THAT'S WHY WE ARE TRYING AND NOW TRYING TO SPECIFIC TO DO THAT CHANGE THE AMEND IN CITY FOR A, WE RUN WHITE LICENSE, YOU KNOW, SO WE ARE APPLYING FOR MOSTLY, YOU KNOW, UM, THE GAS STATION. 
          THERE'S NO MORE CAR REPAIRS, MOST OF THEM. 
          AND YOU HAVE A TWO TOTAL OF A 20 GAS STATION IN IT, UM, IN THE CITY. 
          BUT PROBABLY IF IT BY CITY REQUIREMENT, AND I MEAN THE CONVENIENCE STORE ONLY PROBABLY HAVE THREE OR FOUR MAXIMUM FIVE GAS STATION PROBABLY COULD BE, BE ABLE TO GET THE BEER AND WINE 
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BECAUSE THERE'S, YOU HAVE TO HAVE ENOUGH PARKING SPACE AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE ENOUGH, UH, AND UM, UH, UH, STORAGE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO STORE HAS TO BE BIG ENOUGH FOR, YOU KNOW, SELLING BEER AND WINE. 
          I DON'T THINK ALL OF THEM. 
          I KNOW, UM, SHE SAID MOST OF THE GAS STATION ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE CITY, WHICH IS SHE IS RIGHT THERE, MOST OF THEM ARE AROUND THE 10 BY, YOU KNOW, FOUR OR FIVE OF THEM ARE RIGHT BY THE 10 AND AZUA. 
          BUT THE ONLY TWO OF THEM, MAYBE TWO, THE MAX GONNA BE ABLE, IF THEIR SCO FIT THE REQUIRE CAN GET THE BEER ONLINE, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS ME IS GONNA BE THIRD. 
          BUT I DON'T THINK, UH, MOST, I MEAN, UM, THE REST OF THEM IS, THEY CALL IT ISLAND MARKETER, WHICH IS ONLY, YOU KNOW, A PLACE TO SELL GAS AND BARELY, THEY CAN'T EVEN FEED ANYTHING IN THERE, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, THAT'S FOR, I'M HERE TO APPLY, SEE, HE CAN HELP ME OUT TO GET THE, YOU KNOW, TO HELP MY CONSUMER BETTER AND, UH, SERVE THE COMMUNITY. 
          I'VE BEEN SERVING THE COMMUNITY OVER 43 YEARS AND, UM, I HAVE A GREAT LOCATION. 
          I DON'T KNOW YOU EVER BEEN IN MY LOCATION IS VERY CLEAN AND EAT AND WE HELP THE COMMUNITY AND IT'S GONNA BE EXTRA INCOME FOR A CITY TOO, BECAUSE I'M RIGHT ON THE BORDER OF COVINA AND WESTCO. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , YOU KNOW, I CAN'T GET PART OF THE, YOU KNOW, UH, BUSINESS TOWARDS WEST COVINA BY, YOU KNOW, GET BEING UN WINE LICENSE, YOU KNOW. 
          CAUSE MY CROSS THE STREET IS COVINO. 
          I'M WEST. 
          NO, I'M SOUTH OF THE WORKMAN AND THEY ARE NORTH. 
          AND, UM, ANYWAY, UM, THEY, MOSTLY THE GAS STATION THESE DAYS IS AT, UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE, THEY WANT TO GET OUT, YOU KNOW, AFTER WORK THEY WANT TO STOP BY, THEY GET GAS OR HAVE A CAR WASH TO WASH THEIR CAR AND GET THEIR NEEDS AND GO BACK HOME AND REST. 
          THAT'S WHY WE ARE HERE TO HELP YOU GUYS HELP. 
          IF I APPRECIATE IT, GO FOR IT. 
          AND I'M HERE TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY. 
          APPRECIATE YOU GUYS TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR ANY, UH, QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME. 
          I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION, UM, PERTAINING TO, UM, PERTAINING TO THE UNFORTUNATE SITUATION THAT I KNOW IS A, IS, IS, IS AN ISSUE OF PUBLIC CONCERN. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S FRANKLY STATEWIDE AND THAT'S THE ISSUE OF HOMELESSNESS AND VAGRANCY. 
          WE HAVE THIS ISSUE ALREADY, BUT WE ARE JUST TRYING TO GET THE BEST OUT OF IT. 
          SURE. 
          BUT, UM, UM, I BARELY, IF YOU SEE MY RECORD, WE JUST, UM, VERY RARE. 
          I JUST BORROWED IT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF YOU HAVE A, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES IS IT, UH, UM, REALLY TO THE POINT, SOME HOMELESS COME OVER THERE AND TRY TO DESTROY, DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU SELL. 
          I HAD A LADY, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THE OTHER DAY, SHE COME OVER THERE OPEN THE CAN OF DRINK AND DRINK AND YOU CAN'T EVEN TOUCH. 
          I JUST VERY PRIDE. 
          THEY SAY, HOW CAN I HELP YOU, YOU KNOW, AND OPENING THE SANDAGE, EAT IT, THROW IT IN THE TRASH RIGHT ON THE FRONT OF ME. 
          I JUST, UH, THIS IS THE THING IS PART OF THE BUSINESS. 
          I NEVER, YOU KNOW, I KNOW EVEN CALL THE POLICE, IT TAKES 45 MINUTES, WE TELL HIM IS THE EMERGENCY. 
          IF IT'S NOT THE EMERGENCY, SOMETIME TAKE 45 MINUTES, SOMETIMES IN AN HOUR. 
          BUT I STILL DEAL WITH IT. 
          WE LET HER GO. 
          WE DON'T NEED JUST, SHE DESTROY EVERYTHING. 
          WHATEVER CAN BE AFTER FOR 20 MINUTES, EVERYTHING CLEAN, GO BACK AND WE ALL DEAL WITH IT EVERY NIGHT, EVERY DAY, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, BUT, AND I WAS THE LAST, UH, THING WE HAD WITH THE, UM, UM, UM, CHIEF OF POLICE IS, IT'S GONNA BE ANY DIFFERENCE AS FAR AS SENDING ALCOHOL IN THE GAS STATION OR THE THING. 
          UH, AND UM, MR. BELL SAYS, UH, NO DIFFERENCE, YOU KNOW? I MEAN, UH, SO FAR, BUT, UM, I DON'T KNOW. 
          A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY MAYBE IT'S IN, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA BE MORE, YOU KNOW, UH, UNSAFE FOR A CONSUMER. 
          I, I HAVE MOST OF THE GAS STATION, IF YOU HAVE ENOUGH, UH, STORE, I MEAN ENOUGH, UM, UM, A STORE, UH, CAPACITY. 
          THEY HAVE ONE OR TWO PEOPLE, MAYBE THREE PEOPLE AT THE TIME TO WORK. 
          AND, UM, YOU JUST, WE ARE DEALING WITH EVERY, IF YOU ARE DEALING WITH IT EVERY DAY, I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA BE ISSUE AS FAR AS YOU KNOW. 
          UM, AND BESIDE THAT, WE DON'T SELL SINGLE. 
          IT'S GONNA BE MINIMUM THREE PACKAGE, YOU KNOW? AND, UH, AND IT DOESN'T MATTER. 
          YOU JUST NEXT IN TWO, TWO BLOOD, NOT EVEN 50 FEET AWAY FROM ME, IS IT ANOTHER STORE? THEY 
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CAN GO BUY THEIR ENTRY, DOESN'T MATTER WHERE THEY BUY IT. 
          BEVMO IS ONLY 200 FEET AWAY FROM ME. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UM, THE AMAZON IS GONNA OPEN ON A, ON A GAR CITRUS AND, YOU KNOW, AND, UM, AND THE ACROSS THE STREET IS A BAR, YOU KNOW, IS THIS A PART OF THE, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY? YOU HAVE TO KNOW, THE ONLY REASON WE ARE JUST TRYING TO DO THAT IS THIS A CUSTOMER CONVENIENCE. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S A CONVENIENT STORE AND IT'S JUST, YOU'RE NOT LOOKING FOR A HARD ASCAR. 
          WE ARE LOOKING FOR A BEER ON WINE, WHICH IS A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THEY BUY IT, GO HOME, YOU KNOW, OPEN IT UP, YOU KNOW, AND WATCH TV AND WATCH THEIR GAME, WHATEVER. 
          THEY LIKE IT. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S MAINLY, IT'S A CONVENIENT STORE. 
          I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE ANY ISSUE AS FAR AS UNSAFE. 
          I MEAN, BEING UNSAFE, THIS IS A, UH, GAS STATION IS NOT THE REPAIR STATION ANYMORE. 
          IT'S ALL CONVENIENT, SIR. 
          AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE THE CONSUMER EASIER TO, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, TO, UM, TO GO BACK HOME AND REST, YOU KNOW, JUST TO, I, I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO ASK MY QUESTION, BUT WHAT I, WHAT I WANTED TO, WHAT I, WHAT I WANTED TO JUST SORT OF, UH, IMPRESS UPON YOU WAS WHETHER OR NOT YOU THOUGHT ABOUT, UM, IN PRESENTING THIS TO US, WE HAVE, UM, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PROCESS. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, IF THIS PASSES TONIGHT AND LET'S SAY, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY CITY COUNCIL DECIDES TO PASS IT, THEN AT THAT POINT IN TIME YOU WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL REQUEST A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, RIGHT? YES. 
          UHHUH . 
          WHAT, WHAT I'M TRYING TO, WHAT I'M TRYING TO GAUGE IS WHAT WOULD THE STANDARDS BE UNDER THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT? WOULD SOMETHING LIKE, UH, INCREASED CRIMINAL ACTIVITY AS A CON OR, OR, YOU KNOW, NOT SEEING AN INCREASE IN CRIMINAL ACTIVITY OR, OR, OR ALCOHOL RELATED CRIMINAL ACTIVITY BE SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER INCLUDING AS, AS ONE OF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL OR THE MAINTAIN OR THE MAINTENANCE OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? OR, OR DO YOU BELIEVE THAT'S TOO ONEROUS? BE SOME KIND OF A CONDITION IF YOU WHOEVER MEET THAT CONDITION? AS FAR AS THE SAFETY GOES, WE ALL FOR IT. 
          WE ARE NOT HERE TO JUST, YOU KNOW, AVOID ANYTHING. 
          WHATEVER YOU NEED TO PUT THE CONDITION ON THAT, YOU KNOW, AND TO OPEN TO GETTING THAT, UH, PERMIT OR YOU JUST, UH, GO FOR IT, YOU KNOW, WHOEVER IS THE APPLICANT WILL BE ABLE TO DO IT. 
          JUST LIKE A LOT OF THINGS, YOU KNOW, UH, IF YOU NEED A SPECIAL EQUIPMENT, I HAVE A 24 HOURS, WE ARE OPEN 24 HOURS, FIRST OF ALL. 
          SECOND, WE HAVE ALL MONITORING SYSTEM. 
          A LOT OF TIMES THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THEY HAVE ISSUE. 
          WE GO, THEY COME TO US, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY HAS A STOLEN CAR, WE GO THROUGH OUR SYSTEM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE GET THE, UH, THE UM, UH, CD AND GIVE IT TO THEM. 
          BUT IF YOU SAY, IF THERE'S ANY OTHER THING CONNECTED TO A STRAIGHT TO THE LOCK FLOOD CAMERA, IF THEY WANT TO GET FLOOD CAMERA, WE GO FOR IT. 
          THIS IS SOMETHING IF THE CITY REQUIRE, BE WILLING TO DO IT, WHOEVER, IT DOESN'T DO IT, IT DOESN'T GET IT. 
          YOU KNOW? THAT'S THE THING IS IF YOU ARE HERE TO STAY WITH IT IN THE CONDITION OF WHATEVER THE CITY REQUIRE, WE ARE NOT GONNA JUST DO THINGS OUR OWN. 
          WHATEVER YOU GUYS, THE CONDITION PUT YOU JUST, WHOEVER, I MEAN, APPLICABLE IS GONNA GO FOR IT IS NOT, IT'S GONNA BE REJECTED, YOU KNOW? BUT AS FAR AS THE SAFETY, I JUST TOOK ANYTHING ELSE, WE DON'T KNOW. 
          IT HAS UPSIDE AND IT HAS DOWNSIDE TOO, BUT, UH, THIS IS SOMETHING YOU NEVER KNOW UNTIL, YOU KNOW, TRY. 
          BUT, UH, RIGHT NOW, UH, WE ARE VERY SAFE COMMUNITY. 
          I, I'VE BEEN IN THAT CORNER FOR, UM, 43 YEARS. 
          OH, NO, 4 43 YEARS. 
          I HAD ONLY TWO INCIDENT HAPPEN. 
          TWO, THREE IS IT, YOU KNOW, VERY SAFE COMMUNITY. 
          AND WE ARE JUST TRY AND MAKE THE SAFE, I MEAN, ENVIRONMENT TOO FOR OUR CONSUMER, YOU KNOW? UM, AND ON THE SAME TIME, WE HAVE A LOT OF CONVENIENCE, A COM, YOU KNOW, EASY TO SAVE, BUT THE GAS STATION GO THROUGH A LOT TO MAKE THE CUSTOMER HAPPY, ESPECIALLY THE ONE THAT STORES THE FREEWAY. 
          WE DO A LOT, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY NEEDS ANYTHING. 
          THEY JUST TO GO TO GAS STATION, YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO HAVE ONE GUY TO JUST CLEAN ALL DAY MM-HMM. 
          FOR A CONSUMER. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE THINK IT'S EASY TO RUN THE BUSINESS, BUT IT IS NOT. 
          BUT THIS IS A PART OF IT TOO. 
          IT DOES HAS IT HAPPENS, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, THINGS, WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT. 
          WE DEAL WITH IT. 
          BUT HOPE IS GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO GET THE BEST OUT OF IT AND MAKE IT AS, UM, UH, UM, SAFE ENVIRONMENTAL FOR COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW. 
          BUT IF THEY PUT THE, THE CITY PUT, I MEAN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT PUT ANY REQUIREMENT, WE GO FOR IT. 
          IF THE CITY PUT ANY 
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REQUIREMENT, WE GO FOR IT. 
          UH, WE JUST HERE TO MAKE IT MORE EASY FOR CONSUMER, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE MONEY, BUT YOU KNOW, IT IS A PART OF THE BUSINESS AS IT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES. 
          BUT, BUT, UH, TO BE GO, YOU GUYS HAVE TO BE KIND ENOUGH IF TO HELP ME OUT TO GO FOR IT, YOU KNOW? THANK YOU. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, I JUST WANTED TO ASK, SO MR. MR, OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE DOING THIS TO INCREASE SALES FOR YOUR BUSINESS, CORRECT? YEAH, IT'S GONNA INCREASE FOR SURE, BUT THE CITY GONNA GET PART OF IT TOO. 
          YOU GET THE PURPOSE. 
          I MEAN, TAXES, TAXES GONNA BE HELPING THE CITY TOO. 
          YOU KNOW, THE GAS STATION IS THE MOST IN, I MEAN, KNOW, UH, SOURCE OF INCOME FOR THE CITY USED TO BE CALLED, YOU KNOW, THE NEW CAR NOW IS A GAS STATION BECAUSE YOU GET THE PERCENTAGE OF EVERY GALLON OF DUE. 
          WELL, THAT'S GREAT. 
          WHAT PERCENTAGE DO YOU THINK IT WOULD INCREASE? UH, UH, MY PERCENTAGE PROBABLY. 
          IT'S GONNA BE AT LEAST 20 TO 30%. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S A BIG DEAL FOR YOU. 
          DEFINITELY. 
          WELL, IT IS NOT A BIG DEAL. 
          IT'S NOT, I NEVER THINK ABOUT THE BIG DEAL. 
          I HAVE UP TO SIX GAS STATION, BUT THE THING IS THAT NOT THE MAN MONEY IS NOT INVOLVED YET TO BE INCREASING, BUT MY MAINTAIN THE CONVENIENCE, WELL, YOU HAVE OTHER GAS STATIONS, SO I USED TO HAVE UP TO SIX. 
          OKAY. 
          WERE THEY, DID THEY HAVE ALCOHOL SALES? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE DIFFERENT DIFFERENCES, DIFFERENT CITIES IN AZUA, AND THESE ARE THE ONE I'VE BUILT BEFORE, BUT NOW I'M JUST TRYING, I MEAN, CUT IT DOWN FROM MY ACTIVITIES, BUT, UM, I USED TO, UM, UH, INK, UM, AND, UH, HAVE BUILT TWO ON AZUA AND BUILD ONE AND THE SAND AND, UH, ONE IN COVINA AND IT, THEY HAVE, UM, UM, THE ONE IS TWO IN WEST COVINO, UH, WHICH IS ONE OF 'EM IS NOT REQUIRED. 
          THAT'S MY PARTNER HAS IT. 
          UM, BUT ONE OF THEM IS ONLY STILL HAS A BAY, WHICH IS A CARD REPAIR. 
          IT DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH, UH, UH, WHAT WE CALL IT, THE STORAGE TO, I MEAN IT A SPACE TO SELL THE BEER, AND ONE, HE STILL HAS IT REPAIR SHOP. 
          IT'S A DIFFERENT, ITS DIFFERENT COMPANY HAS A DIFFERENT REQUIREMENT. 
          YOU KNOW, SOME COMPANY, CHEVRON, HE GOT OUT OF THE, A CHEVRON. 
          CHEVRON GOT TOTALLY OUT OF THE REPAIR BUSINESS IN CALIFORNIA. 
          IT'S PART OF THE REQUIREMENT. 
          THERE IS NO CAR REPAIRS, ANY CHEVRON STATION. 
          YOU DON'T SEE NO CHEVRON STATION, BUT IT'S STILL ANY, DOES IT? EXCUSE ME. 
          SHELL DOES IT. 
          OUR CODE DOES IT, BUT NO, CHEVRON 30% IS A BIG INCREASE THOUGH. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD INCENTIVE TO BE HERE. 
          . 
          THANK YOU. 
          APPRECIATE IT GUYS' TIME. 
          HAVE A WONDERFULLY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'M SORRY. 
          NO, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON. 
          UM, TO SPEAKERS WHO ARE IN FAVOR OF ITEM NUMBER TWO, UM, FIRST, UH, SUE AINO. 
          HI. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT. 
          I WANTED TO BRING UP A COUPLE THINGS THAT I AM FOR, UM, MR. KAMI AND BE ABLE TO, UH, AND THE OTHER GAS STATIONS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SELL THE BEER AND WINE AT THEIR, AT THEIR ESTABLISHMENTS. 
          I JUST WANNA SAY, FIRST OFF, UM, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAD ABOUT THE CRIME, MAYBE THAT WOULD BE AROUND A GAS STATION, IF THE ALCOHOL WAS, OR THE HOMELESSNESS OR, YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF ENVIRONMENT THAT WOULD BRING. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT, THAT'S SUCH A FAIR QUESTION ANYMORE, BECAUSE IN THAT SAME, IN THAT SAME AREA, YOU HAVE TARGET, YOU HAVE WALMART, YOU HAVE, UM, WHOLE FOODS, YOU HAVE BEVMO AND YOU HAVE CHILIES, YOU HAVE BJS, AND YOU HAVE FRIDAYS THAT SELL TO GO ALCOHOL. 
          SO TO SAY THAT THESE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY THAT THE GAS, JUST BECAUSE THERE'S A GAS STATION, THAT THAT'S GONNA BRING A, A WORSE ENVIRONMENT BECAUSE OF THE SALE OF BEER AND WINE THAT THESE PEOPLE DO TOO. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S, I'LL JUST SAY THAT FOR THAT. 
          UM, BACK, HE'S GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS QUITE A FEW TIMES AND THERE WAS ALWAYS OTHER QUESTIONS AS TO, YOU KNOW, THE GA THE ALCOHOL AROUND THE SCHOOLS, OR WAS IT GONNA BE AROUND THERE? THERE ARE SO MANY EXAMPLES OF ALCOHOL THAT IS SOLD IN ESTABLISHMENTS IN THE CITY OF WEST COVENA WHERE IT ALMOST DOESN'T EVEN SEEM FAIR TO HOLD THESE GAS STATIONS TO NOT BE ABLE TO BE IN THE SAME PROCESS. 
          I MEAN, YOU HAVE DRIVE-THROUGH DAIRIES THAT SELL ALCOHOL. 
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YOU HAVE, UM, YOU HAVE RANCH MARKETS THAT SELL ALCOHOL. 
          YOU HAVE, UM, LIKE I SAID, THE BEV MOS AND THE TARGETS AND THE CHILIES. 
          YOU HAVE A JUG AND JER LIQUOR STORE THAT IS, OR, UH, THE JUG AND JER LIQUOR STORE THAT'S ON THIS CAM, UH, GARVEY AND CITRUS. 
          YOU LITERALLY COULD GO TO THE 76 STATION, PUT $20 IN YOUR TANK, PUT THE TANK, WALK AROUND, GRAB A BEER, AND COME BACK BEFORE THE 20 BUCKS IS IN YOUR TANK. 
          IT'S THAT ACCESSIBLE. 
          AND I MEAN, THAT'S JUST THE LIFE THAT WE LIVE IN NOW. 
          AND I'M NOT SAYING, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, THAT IS JUST HOW IT, IT'S SO ACCESSIBLE AND FOR IT NOT TO BE AVAILABLE OR THE OPPORTUNITY FOR HIM AS A BUSINESS OWNER OR OTHER BUSINESS OWNERS THAT ARE, HAVE GAS STATION ESTABLISHMENTS AND THE REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SELL THIS PRODUCT, I MEAN, IS, IS THE STORAGE, IS, YOU KNOW, THE EMPLOYEES AND ALL THE GUIDELINES THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE. 
          I MEAN, WE READ 'EM, THERE'S A LOT, AND HE'S JUMPED THROUGH THIS HOOP FOUR OR FIVE TIMES. 
          YOU SAW HOW MANY TIMES THAT IT, IT'S COME, IT WAS APPROVED, IT WAS STOPPED, IT WAS STALLED, IT WAS UNANSWERED. 
          COVID CAME, AND THEN NOW HERE HE IS BACK AGAIN. 
          IT JUST SEEMS TO ME LIKE IN THE PROCESS THAT'S BEEN GOING ON, I MEAN, I BELIEVE THAT THE LAST TIME THE, UM, IT GOT PASSED FIVE ZERO AND THEN IT GOT SENT TO CITY, AND THEN THE CITY SAID, OH, COVID CAME UP. 
          WE DIDN'T HAVE THE STAFF TO DO A STAFF REPORT. 
          SO THEN THAT HELD IT BACK, AND THEN THERE WAS OTHER THINGS THAT CAME AND HELD IT BACK. 
          AND IT'S JUST NOT FAIR TO TAKE ONE SINGLE BUSINESS PERSON TO SAY THERE'S TOO MANY ALCOHOL PLACES TO BE SOLD IN THE CITY OF WEST COVINA. 
          BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? THERE'S A LOT OF BURRITO PLACES TO GO. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF ATTORNEYS TO GO TO JUST TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? THERE'S TOO MANY ATTORNEYS IN THE CITY OF WEST COVENA. 
          MAYBE WE JUST CAN'T LET YOU HAVE YOUR LICENSE HERE, OR WE CAN'T HAVE YOU OPEN UP A BURRITO SHOP BECAUSE THERE'S FOUR DOWN THE STREET. 
          IT'S JUST HANDCUFFING. 
          A BUSINESS OWNER IS NOT FAIR. 
          AND THE CITY OF WEST COVENA, I THINK HAS BEEN DOING IT AND FOR GAS STATIONS, AND I, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR. 
          AND I DID DO SOME RESEARCH AND CITY OF WEST COA IS THE ONLY ONE IN THE SAN GABRIEL VALLEY THAT DOES NOT. 
          I MEAN, WE CAN GO TO HACIENDA AND FRANCISQUITO. 
          YOU CAN BE PUMPING GAS AT THE SUNSHINE MARKET AND BUY BEER RIGHT THERE AND GO TWO BLOCKS AND YOU'RE IN WESTCO. 
          WE ARE ALL ONE STEP AWAY FROM EACH OTHER. 
          COVINA HAS IT. 
          LA POI HAS IT. 
          BALDON PARK HAS IT, BUT WEST COVINA CAN'T. 
          A WEST COVINA BUSINESS OWNER CAN'T. 
          AND IT WILL BRING YOUR SALES TAX WILL BRING YOU REVENUE FROM IT. 
          AND I KNOW PEOPLE SNICKER AND LAUGH AND THINK THAT IT'S A FUNNY THING THAT THAT'S BROUGHT UP, BUT IT'S NOT. 
          I WOULD JUST REALLY LIKE, UM, THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER EVERYTHING THAT'S INVOLVED IN THIS AND, UM, GRANT HIM THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE THE BUSINESS OWNER THAT HE HAS BEEN FOR 40 YEARS IN SUPPORTING OUR, SUPPORTING OUR COMMUNITY, SUPPORTING OUR SCHOOLS. 
          AND HE, AND HE'S BEEN A GOOD BUSINESSMAN. 
          I JUST HOPE THAT YOU WOULD GIVE HIM THAT CONSIDERATION. 
          AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NEXT UP IS JEFF AINO, BOY, SOME PEOPLE GET SOME DIRTY LOOKS. 
          HI, GOOD EVENING, JEFF AINO. 
          I'VE BEEN, UH, BORN HERE, RAISED HERE. 
          I GUESS I'M FEELING PRETTY OLD NOW BECAUSE WHEN A GAS STATION WAS A GAS STATION, YOU WENT AND YOU SERVICED YOUR CAR THERE AND YOU BOUGHT YOUR OIL AND YOUR GAS, AND THAT WAS ABOUT IT. 
          MAYBE A SODA POP OUT OF THE MACHINE OUTSIDE. 
          NOW THESE GAS STATIONS ARE CONSIDERED CONVENIENT STORES. 
          AND THE REASON WHY IT'S A CONVENIENT STORE SO YOU CAN BUY THINGS AT A CONVENIENCE STORE AND HANDCUFFING THESE CONVENIENT STORES FROM SELLING ALCOHOL NOW JUST MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL. 
          ESPECIALLY WHEN I CONSIDER, AND I HEAR THE STORIES ABOUT HOW THIS ALL CAME ABOUT, HOW A GAS STATION WAS NOT ALLOWED TO SELL BEER AND WINE SEEMS ACTUALLY RIDICULOUS. 
          AND THE SIMPLE FACT TOO IS THAT, I MEAN, YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT CRIME AND EVERYTHING. 
          I MEAN, HELL, I WATCHED THE 7-ELEVEN GET HIJACKED BY THE SKATERS ALMOST EVERY NIGHT, BUT NOBODY'S COMPLAINING ABOUT THE 7-ELEVEN RIGHT NEXT TO THE SKATE SHOP. 
          I MEAN THE SKATE PARK. 
          BUT EVERY DAY SOMETHING LIKE THIS COMES UP THAT EVERYBODY'S GONNA MAKE IT ALL. 
          ONE MORE, ONE MORE GAS STATION'S GOING, ONE MORE CONVENIENCE STORE IS GONNA BE A PROBLEM. 
          SO REALLY, SERIOUSLY THINK, I THINK YOU'RE JUST MAKING IT HARDER FOR A PERSON TO DO BUSINESS THAN THE CITY OF WEST COVINA IN THE CITY OF WEST COVINA NEEDS TO GET BACK IN THE, THE GROOVE AND LET PEOPLE DO THEIR BUSINESS IN A, IN A GOOD MANNER SO THAT THEY CAN IMPROVE THEMSELVES AND IMPROVE THE BUSINESSES. 
          THAT'S ALL I GOTTA SAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF ITEM NUMBER TWO? SEEING NONE, WE'LL GO TO THOSE AGAINST, UM, ANGIE GILLINGHAM, 
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LET ME PUT MY GLASSES ON. 
          WE RESIDENTS HAVE COME UP HERE AT LEAST FOUR OCCASIONS TO THE PLANNING, MEETING, PLANNING, COMMISSIONER MEETING, AND CITY COUNCIL TO OPPOSE THIS IDEA. 
          I SUPPORTED AND COLLECTED SIGNATURES WITH THE RESIDENT NAMED FORREST WILKINS MANY YEARS AGO, I BELIEVE CLOSE TO 800 SIGNATURES, WHICH THE CITY HAS IN ITS POSSESSION. 
          POSTCARDS WERE DISTRIBUTED TO THE RESIDENTS, ALL AGREED DO NOT PERMIT ALCOHOL TO BE SOLD AT THESE TYPES OF BUSINESSES. 
          RECENTLY, IN AS FAR AS MAY, 2021, A YOUNG ADULT FEMALE WAS DRIVING DOWN HOLLENBECK AVENUE. 
          SHE'S A GLENORA RESIDENT. 
          SHE WAS DRIVING SOUTH ON HOLLENBECK TO PICK UP HER SISTER WHO WAS VISITING A FRIEND IN OUR CITY. 
          SHE STOPPED AT THE FOUR-WAY STOP SIGN ON BUYING STREET TO PROCEED TO, UH, AND PROCEEDED ON ROUTE WHEN A CAR WITH FOUR YOUNG MEN WHO WERE FOUND TO BE DRINKING RAN THE STOP BO SIGN AND T-BONE HER CAR. 
          SHE DIED INSTANTLY. 
          I'M SURE THESE STORIES ARE IN EVERY PART OF OUR CITY. 
          THIS IS JUST THE ONE I KNOW ABOUT IN MY AREA. 
          THERE IS NOT A NEED FOR ANOTHER TYPE OF, OF LOCATION THAT SELLS ALCOHOL. 
          YOU HAVE THE NUMBERS THERE. 
          IN FACT, MR. CARINI HAS MANY GAS STATIONS, AS HE SAYS, SIX OF THEM, THAT HE WILL PROFIT GREATLY, NOT ONLY IN OUR CITY, BUT OTHER CITIES. 
          UM, THIS, THE, UH, ONE MENTIONED, UH, HE MENTIONED THE ONE ON WORKMAN AND CITRUS. 
          THERE IS A SPROUTS, WALMART, TARGET IN BEVMO ALL WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE FROM HIS STATION. 
          IF ALCOHOL IS NE NEEDED, YOU CAN WALK TO THEM AND GET THEM. 
          SOON. 
          THERE WILL BE AN AMAZON MARKET, AS HE STATED, WHICH WILL MOST LIKELY SELL ALCOHOL ACROSS THE STREET FROM HIS STA HIS STATION IN OUR CITY. 
          DENSELY BUILT DEVELOPMENTS ARE BEING POPPING, ARE POPPING UP ALL THROUGH OUR CITY. 
          THIS WILL BRING MORE CARS ON OUR STREETS, YET WE DON'T HAVE THE ENFORCEMENT TO THERE ON OUR STREETS TO PROTECT OUR RESIDENTS. 
          UM, I WILL ALSO SAY THAT RESIDENTS SAFETIES SHOULD BE THE PRIORITY OF YOU GUYS AND OUR CITY COUNCIL. 
          AND LASTLY, UH, HE'S BEEN, MR. MR. CARINI HAS BEEN VERY GENEROUS IN GIVING, UH, CAMPAIGN MONEY TO FORMER PAST, UH, FORMER COUNCIL, CURRENT COUNCIL AND CANDIDATES WHO RAN IN THE LAST, UH, ELECTION WHO DID, DID OR DID NOT WIN. 
          SO HE'S BEEN VERY GENEROUS TO PEOPLE IN CAMPAIGNS. 
          UM, AND HE DOES HAVE A NICE GAS STATION AND, AND, AND IT SHOULD REMAIN THAT WAY. 
          UM, AND HE HAS BEEN A GOOD BUSINESS OWNER, BUT WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE HIM MAKE EVEN MORE MONEY OFF OF THE SAFETY OFF OF OUR BACKS OF THE RESIDENCE. 
          AND THANK YOU FOR MORE YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NEXT UP IS, UH, TERESA KOZAR KO. 
          I, I APOLOGIZE. 
          I I COULDN'T READ THE LAST LETTER. 
          UM, ACTUALLY I WASN'T GOING TO SPEAK TODAY, BUT AFTER I HEARD AND SAW SOME OF THE STATISTICS, I THOUGHT, YEAH, JUST THE FACT THAT WE ALREADY HAVE 46 SITES THAT SELL ALCOHOL. 
          I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO HAVE ANOTHER SITE TO SELL ALCOHOL. 
          WE COULD BE A COACHELLA, LIKE YOU SAID. 
          AND I ALSO WANTED TO CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO THAT, UM, WHAT ROBERT TORRES SAID. 
          I KNOW IT'S A LOT TO GO THROUGH, AND YOU HAD A QUESTION ABOUT WHERE IT CAME FROM, AND IT'S PRETTY EXPLICIT. 
          ONE OF THE STUDIES, AND IF YOU READ, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY ANNOTATED, AND IT'S A STUDY FROM THE LA COUNTY OFFICE OF PUBLIC HEALTH, AND IT SAYS, THE GREATER AMOUNT OF ALCO OF RETAIL ALCOHOL SALES IN A COMMUNITY, THE GREATER THE HEALTH PROBLEM OF THAT COMMUNITY. 
          THAT'S PRETTY EXPLICIT. 
          THE OTHER ONE IS FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, AND IT MAINLY SPEAKS TO SELLING ALCOHOL TO YOUNG PEOPLE. 
          AND SO THE FACT THAT YOU WOULD HAVE WHERE THEY CAN GET GAS AND THEN GET ALCOHOL ONLY CONTRIBUTES MORE TO THE YOUNGER GENERATION DRINKING MORE AND DRIVING. 
          SO I JUST WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER THAT AND TAKE TIME TO LOOK A LITTLE BIT MORE INTO DETAIL WITH THIS. 
          BUT I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH PLACES IN THE CITY THAT SELL ALCOHOL, AND HE'S BEEN UP TO TRY SEVERAL TIMES WITH OUR CITY, AND HE HASN'T BEEN SUCCESSFUL. 
          TAKE A LOOK AT HIM, MAKE YOUR DECISION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? WHO IS AGAINST ANYONE NEUTRAL WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? ALL RIGHT, GLENN KENNEDY. 
          I'LL FILL THIS OUT LATER. 
          OKAY. 
          GLENN KENNEDY. 
          LIFELONG RESIDENT. 
          YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. 
          UM, I'M FORMER PLANNING COMMISSIONER AND WHEN THIS CAME BEF UH, BEFORE US, UM, WE PUT, WE WENT FORWARD WITH IT CUZ WE WANTED TO LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD. 
          UM, THIS WAS, THIS ORDINANCE WAS BROUGHT IN BACK IN THE SEVENTIES, 
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AND I'LL NAME, I DON'T WANNA NAME PEOPLE, BUT A FORMER MAYOR HAD A, HAD A LIQUOR STORE AND HE KILLED THIS COMPETITION. 
          AND THAT'S WHY THIS THING EXISTS. 
          AND IT STILL EXISTS TO THE STATE. 
          EVERY CITY HAS IT. 
          COVINA, BA PARK, LA POI, GLENORA, EVERYBODY HAS IT EXCEPT WEST COVINA. 
          OKAY. 
          WE PUT IN CONDITIONS PARKING. 
          PARKING IS THE NUMBER ONE SQUARE FOOTAGE. 
          SO NOT, NOT, YOU KNOW, YOU THINK THAT ALL 20 GAS STATIONS ARE GONNA QUALIFY. 
          NO, NOT AT ALL. 
          YOU THINK THAT THAT 76 AT THE CORNER OF WORKMAN AND, UH, AND AUSA, BUT THE KIOSK IS GONNA, UH, QUALIFY FOR THIS. 
          NO, IT'S ONLY ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE GAS STATIONS AND, UH, SO WE MOVE FORWARD WITH IT, BUT IT ALWAYS SEEMS TO BE A PROBLEM ALSO. 
          UM, UH, I LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT. 
          ANYWAY, THAT'S ALL I GOTTA SAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYONE ELSE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK YOU, YOU'VE ALREADY HAD YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, SO, UM, ANY ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT. 
          SEEING NONE, UH, UH, MR. KARIMI, UH, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME BACK UP FOR ANY REBUTTAL, ANY FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS FROM ANY FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? I, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR HIM. 
          COMMISSION BAER AT YOUR OTHER LOCATIONS, DO YOU HAVE MORE ACTIVITY, CRIMINAL ACTIVITY THERE THAN YOU DO AT THE LOCATION? TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, IF YOU HAVEN'T ANSWERED THAT QUESTION, I'M NOT IN BECAUSE I WAS SOLD IT LONG TIME AGO. 
          BUT THE THING IS ALL THERE USED TO BE SOME OF 'EM, LIKE, I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE ON THE CORNER OF VINCENT AND, UM, SAM ROAD IS A GAS STATION. 
          ORCO USED TO BE REPAIR SHOP. 
          NOW IT'S OUR MARKET. 
          AND, UH, AND IT, UM, AND A GAS ONLY, THERE'S NO MORE REPAIR. 
          IT, IT TOTALLY RENEW. 
          I MEAN, UH, UM, CHANGE IT OVER TO THE STORE. 
          BUT AS FAR AS THE, UM, UM, ANY CHANGES, I DON'T HAVE NO CLUE BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE NO, UH, I DON'T EVEN, THEY'VE BEEN CHANGING A FEW OR CUSTOM. 
          I MEAN, IT KEEP ON CHANGING A FEW HANDS. 
          I SOLD THEM LONG TIME AGO AND I DON'T KNOW ANY DIFFERENCE AT ALL. 
          WELL, LONG TIME AGO, TIMES HAVE CHANGED DEFINITELY, WHEREAS THERE'S A LOT MORE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY THESE DAYS. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A GAS STATION. 
          THEY DO HAVE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY THESE DAYS, SO. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT. 
          SCENE NONE. 
          I'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I WILL OPEN UP FOR DISCUSSION BY THE COMMISSION. 
          YEAH, I WAS JUST, UH, GUTIERREZ. 
          YEAH, I MEAN, I WAS LOOKING AT THE TRIBUNE. 
          IT SAYS, UH, WEST CAMINA HASN'T ALLOWED GAS STATIONS TO SELL ALCOHOL FOR DECADES. 
          IT'S BEEN PART OF ITS MUNICIPAL CODE SINCE 1977 WHEN THE LAW WAS FIRST ADOPTED. 
          AND SO, UM, I MEAN, THIS HAS BEEN AN ISSUE FOR MANY YEARS, AND I KNOW MANY VOTERS IN SPECIFICALLY IN IN DISTRICT ONE AND DISTRICT THREE, MANY VOTERS VOICE CONCERNS ABOUT HAVING MORE ACCESS TO ALCOHOL, ESPECIALLY AT GAS STATIONS THAT, UH, THAT FIRST TIME DRIVERS ARE GOING TO, TO FEEL FOR GAS. 
          AND I MEAN, THEY VOICE STRONG CONCERNS. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS BEEN AN ISSUE FOR MANY YEARS, AND IT'S A VERY CONTROVERSIAL ISSUE. 
          AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WILL LIKE TO RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO LOOK AT IS THE POSSIBILITY IN THE NEXT GENERAL ELECTION THAT THEY PUT IT TO THE VOTERS TO MAKE THE VOTERS IN WEST AS A WHOLE, UH, OF THE OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND RESIDENT RESIDENTS THAT LIVE IN OUR CITY, TO FINALLY DECIDE IF, IF ALCOHOL SHOULD BE SOLD AT GAS STATIONS. 
          I THINK THAT THAT WILL WILL SOLVE THAT ISSUE. 
          AND IF THE VOTERS DECIDE THAT THE VOTERS DECIDE THAT IF THE DECIDE NO, AND THEY VOICE THEIR OPINION BY THEIR VOTE OF ACTION, THEN I THINK THE CITY SHOULD, UH, RESPECT THAT AND THEN MOVE FORWARD FROM THAT. 
          BUT, UH, THAT'S, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. 
          ANYONE ELSE? IF THIS WAS ALREADY PASSED PRIOR AND, AND BROUGHT, YOU KNOW, OR PASSED THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND HE HAD TO APPLY AGAIN, WHY WOULDN'T HE JUST BE ALLOWED JUST TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL AND JUST BYPASS US? UM, MAYBE, UH, BARON CAN ADD TO IT, BUT THE APPLICATIONS HAVE BEEN INITIATED BY DIFFERENT ENTITIES. 
          SO THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES WHEN AN APPLICANT, UM, HAS SUBMITTED FOR IT AND TIMES WHEN IT'S BEEN INITIATED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR THE CITY COUNCIL THEMSELVES. 
          SO I DON'T BELIEVE, 
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LET ME SEE. 
          CAN I ADD SOMETHING? UM, I THINK BECAUSE THE CODE DOES NOT ALLOWED, UM, ALCOHOL SALES, I DON'T, HE, HE CANNOT POSSIBLY GO TO CITY COUNCILS TO ASK FOR THE ALCOHOL SALE LICENSE OR TO, TO GET IT APPROVED. 
          SO THE CODE AMENDMENT HAS TO BE CHANGED IN ORDER FOR HIM TO REQUEST FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO OPERATE A GAS, UH, OPERATE AND HAVE, UH, ALCOHOL SALES. 
          SO IF WE APPROVE IT, IT WOULD CHANGE THE CODE? NO, IT STILL GOES TO THE CITY COUNCIL, DON'T HAVE CITY, CITY COUNCIL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO EACH ONE OF THEM, WHOEVER WANTED TO ACQUIRE THE LICENSE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BEFORE US AND THEN GO TO CITY COUNCIL. 
          NOW, IF IT'S DENIED HERE, DOES IT STILL GO TO CITY COUNCIL OR IS IT, OR ONLY IF APPEALED APPEAL. 
          IF APPEALED. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, ONE QUESTION THAT I HAVE, MR. WILLIAM, UM, TAKEN IN CONSIDERATION THE NUMBER OF TIMES THAT THIS MATTER HAS COME BEFORE THE CITY AT ANY TIME, UM, DID THE CITY PROVIDE HOW MANY VEHICLE RELATED ACCIDENTS WHERE ALCOHOL WERE INVOLVED ACTUALLY HAPPENED IN THE CITY OF COVINA WITHIN THE LAST SEVEN YEARS? UM, IF I MAY, UM, THAT THAT INFORMATION WAS NOT, UM, FIGURES OF HOW MANY ACCIDENTS WERE, UM, WERE NOT PROVIDED. 
          BUT IN 2019, A MEMO FROM THE FORMER POLICE CHIEF MARK TAYLOR, WAS PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING, TO THE, TO THE P COMMISSION AND WAS ALSO INCLUDED IN THE CITY COUNCIL AGENDA. 
          I'LL GO AHEAD AND POST UP THE MEMO ON THE PROJECTOR. 
          UM, SO ACCORDING TO THE MEMO THAT WAS PROVIDED BY THE, UM, FORMER POLICE CHIEF MARK TAYLOR MM-HMM. 
          , UM, HE STATED THAT THERE IS LITTLE DATA TO SHOW THE CORRELATION OF D U I DRIVER ACCIDENTS TO THE SALES OF ALCOHOL AT GAS STATIONS. 
          AND HE ALSO HAD LISTED, UM, CITIES, CITIES, UM, CITIES NEAR US THAT HA, THAT HAVE, UM, THE NUMBER OF SURROUNDING CITIES THAT, THAT HAVE, UM, OFFSITE LICENSES, THE NU, UM, AND ALSO LICENSE OFFSITE LICENSES ATTRIBUTED TO GAS GASOLINE STATIONS. 
          JOANNE, DO WE KNOW IF ANY OF THOSE OFFSITE LICENSES THAT ARE ISSUED IN ANY OF THOSE CITIES REQUIRE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, OR ARE THEY AS A MATTER OF RIGHT OVER? UM, SOME ARE, SOME DO REQUIRE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND SOME ARE A MATTER OF, RIGHT. 
          IT'S, IT'S MIXED. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I THINK IT'D BE INTERESTING TO KNOW, UH, IN SOME OF THE SITES WHERE IT IS PERMITTED IF THERE IS INCREASED CRIMINAL ACTIVITY AS OPPOSED TO MR. CARNEY'S LOCATION. 
          I MEAN, UM, I MEAN IF, IF THERE IS, I MEAN, AND NOT, NOT TO SAY THAT WE, WE WANT, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE SAYING, OKAY, WELL WE HAVE ENOUGH CRIMINAL ACTIVITY IN THIS LOCATION, LET'S JUST KEEP IT THERE, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST SAYING, DO WE NEED TO SPREAD IT AROUND OR, YOU KNOW, IF IT IS WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW, WE JUST LEAVE IT HOW IT IS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE'S HOTELS RIGHT DOWN THE STREET FROM THAT AREA TOO. 
          SO IT'LL BE INTERESTING TO KNOW IF, UH, WHAT OTHER STORES ARE OPEN, UH, DURING THAT TIME TO SELL ALCOHOL. 
          AND, AND IF THERE'S, IF THERE HAS BEEN AN INCREASE IN VIOLENCE, UH, BECAUSE OF THE CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOL AT HOTELS TOO, ESPECIALLY, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'RE DOWN THE STREET FROM THE LOCATION. 
          IF, IF THEY MAY RESPOND, JOANNE? UM, FROM IN, IN THE PAST, UM, SPEAKING TO THE POLICE CHIEF AND ALSO, UM, GOING THROUGH, UM, PREVIOUS REPORTS FOR CALLS FOR SERVICE, IT, THAT INFORMATION IS VERY DIFFICULT TO TRACK AND, AND FIND, UM, CORRELATIONS FOR MAINLY BECAUSE THE, THE ADDRESSES OF LOCATIONS FOR, FOR CALLS OF SERVICE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE GETTING TRACKED. 
          AND THOSE CALLS FOR SERVICE ARE NOT NECESSARILY ALCOHOL RELATED OR RELATED TO THAT PARTICULAR, UM, BUSINESS OR, OR LOCATION. 
          THAT, THAT THE CALL, THE CALL FOR SERVICE INCLUDES IN, IN, IN THE ADDRESS. 
          LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, IF, IF SOMEBODY WAS, WAS DRIVING AND GETS PULLED OVER BY A, BY THE POLICE OFFICER, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT ADDRESS, UM, WHERE THEY'RE PULLED OVER IN FRONT OF THAT BECOMES THE ADDRESS OF THE LOCATION WHERE, UM, 
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WHERE THAT RECORD WAS TAKEN. 
          SO IT, UM, THAT INFORMATION IS VERY DIFFICULT TO, TO FIND OR TRACK. 
          IF I COULD ALSO ADD, THERE IS A PROCESS. 
          SO THERE'S THE CITY PROCESS THAT WOULD BE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. 
          THERE'S ALSO THE PROCESS THROUGH AB, THE STATE'S ABC LICENSE AND WHERE THEY HAVE TO DETERMINE THAT IF THERE'S A NEW OR A BUSINESS THAT WANTS TO DO ALCOHOL SALES, THAT THERE'S, UM, A REVIEW AND FOR UNDUE CONCENTRATION. 
          SO IF THERE'S ALREADY HIGH AREA OR HIGH OR AREA OF HIGH CONCENTRATED, UM, UH, ABC LICENSE FOR ALCOHOL SALES, THEN THAT'S A DETER, DETER. 
          THEY REVIEW THAT AND THEY CONSIDER THAT IN THEIR APPROVAL PROCESS. 
          IF THE, IF THEY DETERMINE THAT THEY ARE, THERE'S TOO MANY LIQUOR STORES OR LIQUOR, UM, LICENSES IN THAT AREA, THEN IT COMES, IT CAN COME, MAY COME BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          IN THAT POINT, IT WOULD BE IF IT'S, I FORGOT THE TERM, BARON. 
          YEAH, SO, SO THE ABC MAKES THAT DETERMINATION IF THERE'S AN UNDUE CONCENTRATION, AND THERE'S TWO ELEMENTS. 
          ONE IS IF THERE'S A, A, A CERTAIN NUMBER OF ALCOHOL LICENSES IN EXCESS OF THE POPULATION, OR IF THE CRIME RATE IS ELEVATED TO A CERTAIN LEVEL. 
          SO THE A, B, C DETERMINES, OH, THERE'S AN UNDUE CONCENTRATION. 
          THEY WON'T ISSUE THE PERMIT UNLESS THE COMMISSION, IT COMES TO THE COMMISSION. 
          AND YOU WOULD HAVE TO THEN TO SAY, UH, ISSUE A CERTIFICATE OF PUBLIC AND MEETINGS AND NECESSITY APPROVING IT ANYWAYS, UM, THAT'S REGARDLESS OF WHETHER A C O P'S REQUIRED LOCALLY OR WHETHER IT'S PERMITTED, PERMITTED USE LOCALLY. 
          SO THAT, THAT WILL ALWAYS BE THE CASE. 
          MR. CITY ATTORNEY, IF, IF I MAY, UH, NATURAL FOLLOW UP ON THAT WOULD BE, UM, HOW MANY TIMES HAS SOMETHING LIKE THAT COME BACK TO THIS COMMISSION? UH, WELL, IT WOULDN'T HAVE COME HERE BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, AT, AT LEAST NOT FOR, UM, GAS STATIONS BECAUSE YOU DON'T PERMIT IT AT ALL. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THE ABC WOULDN'T, AS, AS A GENERAL PROPOSITION, HAVE, HAVE WE EVER HAD ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN FRONT OF PLANNING? I, IF I MAY? UM, NO, MAINLY BECAUSE OFF, OFF SALE OF ALCOHOL, UM, DOES NOT RE DOES, DOES NOT REQUIRE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. 
          IT REQUIRES AN ADMINISTRATIVE USE PERMIT. 
          AND WE DO, UM, THE CITY DOES DO NOTIFICA PUBLIC NOTIFICATION, AND IF A HEARING IS REQUESTED, THEN, THEN IT WOULD GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          BUT WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED A REQUEST FOR THAT. 
          THE LATEST ONE, THE, THE LATEST ALCOHOL ISSUE THAT WENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION OTHER THAN RESTAURANTS WAS THE, UM, THE GROCERY STORE OFF OF GARVEY AND CITRUS, BUT THAT ONLY WENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION BECAUSE IT INCLUDED ALCOHOL TASTING, WHICH REQUIRES A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. 
          SO THE SALES OF ALCOHOL, UM, FOR OFFSITE CONSUMPTION, IT'S JUST DONE ADMINISTRATIVELY CURRENTLY. 
          AND THE SALE, UM, IT ALL, I GUESS, BUT IF IT INVOLVES ALCOHOL TASTING, THEN IT WOULD BE A C U P. 
          UM, WHAT I CAN TELL YOU, UM, YEARS AGO I WORKED FOR THE CITY OF COVINA IN THEIR PLANNING DEPARTMENT BASED ON THE SIZE OF THEIR CITY AND BASED ON THE NUMBER OF ESTABLISHMENTS IN THEIR POPULATION, BASED ON CENSUS TRACKS, ANYTIME SOMEONE DID WANT TO SELL, UH, ALCOHOL IN RELATIONS TO A SERVICE STATION, IT AUTOMATICALLY REQUIRED THE NEEDS OF NECESSITY. 
          THERE WAS AN OVER CONCENTRATION, AND SO A B C DOES HAVE VERY STRICT CONDITIONS THAT HAVE TO BE MET, BUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN COVINA AND WEST COVINA, COVINA ACTUALLY WENT TO THE STEP OF ALLOWING SERVICE STATIONS TO SELL. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT I CAN TELL YOU, BASED ON THE SIZE OF THAT CITY, AND BASED ON THEIR POPULATION, ANYTIME SOMEONE APPLIES, THERE ARE ADDITIONAL FINDINGS THAT HAVE TO BE MADE AND A B, C WILL RED FLAG THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO JUST JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR, THE, THE, THE GROCERY STORE LOCATION THAT, UH, WAS, WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY THIS COMMISSION, THAT THAT WAS NOT COMING TO US DUE TO ABC SAYING THAT THERE'S AN UNDUE CONCENTRATION. 
          IS THAT, IS THAT THAT'S CORRECT. 
          RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT. 
          IT WAS, YEAH. 
          THAT, I BELIEVE IS A DIFFERENT CENSUS TRACK FROM THE, THE GROCERY STORE, UM, THE SPROUTS AND, UM, THE BEVMO AND ALL THE LOCATIONS WITHIN THE EASTLAND CENTER, THAT'S A DIFFERENT CENSUS TRACK. 
          SO IT, IT WOULDN'T AFFECT 
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THE UNDUE CONCENTRATION. 
          GOT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR DISCUSSION? I'LL JUST SAY THAT AGAIN, BECAUSE THERE'S A, I MEAN, THERE'S, SINCE THERE IS A TAX COM, COM COMPAR, UH, TAX COMPONENT ON THIS, THAT THE CITY CAN GENERATE MONEY AND, AND FUNDS THAT, I THINK THE BEST OPTION EVENTUALLY WILL BE FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO ASK THE VOTERS OR VENA TO EITHER APPROVE OR DENY THE GENERAL SALE OF ALCOHOL AT OUR SERVICE STATIONS BASED UPON THE MAIN VOTERS I'VE SPOKEN TO. 
          BUT YEAH, THAT'S MY COMMENT. 
          WELL, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO KNOW IF ALL, ALL THIS ADDITIONAL FUNDS THAT WOULD BE GENERATED FOR THE CITY, WHERE WOULD THOSE BE APPLIED TO? GENERAL FUND? THAT WOULD BE SALES TAX. 
          AND SO IT'D GO TOWARDS OUR GENERAL FUND FOR, SO IT'D BE LIKE IF YOU GO INTO THE COMMUNION STORE TO BUY, UH, A HOTDOG OR A SLURPEE, UH, THAT SALES TAX, JUST LIKE THE BEER WOULD COME TO THE CITY'S GENERAL FUND. 
          AND FOR THOSE, UNLESS IT WAS EARMARKED. 
          YEAH, IT'S JUST A, IT'S JUST GENERAL SALES TAX, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER ITEM. 
          IF YOU GO TO THE STORE AND BUY TOOTHPASTE, IF YOU GO TO BEVMO AND BUY, UNLESS THE CITY CONSOLE VOTED TO EARMARK IT FOR SOMETHING ELSE TO A DIFFERENT FUND. 
          RIGHT. 
          LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, IF THEY WANTED TO SAY ANY FUNDING FROM ALCOHOL SALES SHOULD GO BACK TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR SHOULD GO BACK TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OR SHOULD GO BACK TO, UH, FUNDING OF PARKS, THEY COULD DO THAT. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          THAT'S WHAT MY QUESTION IS. 
          SO HOW DO WE, YOU KNOW, SAY, OKAY, THIS IS GONNA BENEFIT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE BENEFIT OF IT FOR THE COMMUNITY? WHAT, HOW DO WE TELL THE RESIDENTS THIS IS WHY WE APPROVED IT? SO IT'D BE A GENERAL FUND REVENUE, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER SALES TAX IN THE COMMUNITY, IF YOU WANNA EARMARK IT, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S A VOTE OF THE COUNCIL OR, YEAH, IT, IT WOULD, UM, THEY COULD, THE COUNCIL COULD EARMARK ANYTIME THE BUDGET CAME FORWARD TO THEM IF THEY WANTED TO. 
          BUT IT IS GENERAL FUND REVENUE, WHICH MEANS THEY COULD EARMARK FOR ANYTHING THEY CHOOSE. 
          AND YOU COULD ALSO ASK THE VOTERS THE SAME QUESTION TOO, IF, IF, IF, UH, IF THEY VOTED YES, SHOULD THE FUNDING GO TO WHATEVER CALLS, WHATEVER INITIATIVE WAS BROUGHT IN FRONT OF THEM. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I DID HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          UM, REAL QUICK WITH REGARD TO THE PROPOSED CODE AMENDMENT. 
          UM, THERE WAS A MENTION IN, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING THAT THERE IS A, UH, A MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE REQUIREMENT, UM, FOR THIS PARTICULAR, UH, CODE AMENDMENT IS FROM BASE BASED UPON WHAT I READ. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE THAT HAS BEEN REMOVED. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? WE APOLOGIZE. 
          SO THE STAFF REPORT, UM, MEANT TO INDICATE THAT THE 2000 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM WAS A PREVIOUS CONDITION UNDER A PREVIOUS PROPOSED ORDINANCE, AND IT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THIS ONE. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE REQUIREMENT IN THIS PROPOSAL. 
          UM, THERE IS NO MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE REQUIRED IN THIS PROPOSAL. 
          UM, WHEN IT, WHEN THE PREVIOUS, UM, KONA MEMO INTO THE PLA UM, CITY COUNCIL, IT WAS, UM, STRICKEN OUT, UM, DURING THE DISCUSSION. 
          AND SO WHEN MR. KAMI, UM, INCLUDED IT IN, IN THIS LETTER, IT WAS NOT, IT WASN'T INCLUDED IN HIS REQUEST, SO WAS IT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE DRAFT. 
          HOWEVER, IF THE PLANNING CO, IF, IF IT IS THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DESIRE TO INCLUDE A MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE, THEN THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE RECOMMENDATION. 
          SO BEFORE IT WAS TWO, MINIMUM TWO, UM, 2000 SQUARE FEET. 
          GOT IT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANYONE HAVE A MOTION? ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT, WELL, I'LL, I'LL GIVE MY 2 CENTS AND SOMEBODY WANTS TO SHOOT ME DOWN. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          UM, SO, SO I'LL, I'LL SAY THIS, AS FAR AS, UM, AS FAR AS THIS, THIS CODE AMENDMENT IS CONCERNED, UM, LOOK, OBVIOUSLY I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE POTENTIAL 
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FOR INCREASED CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, PRIMARILY DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA IS NOT PARTICULARLY SERIOUS ABOUT ENFORCEMENT OF THINGS LIKE DRINKING IN PUBLIC OR, UM, OTHER MINOR OFFENSES. 
          AND THAT'S UNFORTUNATE, BUT THAT'S THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION THAT WE LIVE IN. 
          IF THIS WAS A FEW YEARS AGO, I WOULD UNEQUIVOCALLY VOTE YES ON THIS, UNEQUIVOCALLY. 
          MY PROBLEM WITH IT IS I DON'T NECESSARILY SEE A MECHANISM BY WHICH WE CAN ENSURE THAT RESIDENTS INTERESTS ARE PROTECTED, PARTICULARLY ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY SIDE. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY, AND, AND I I WILL SAY THIS, THE NOTION THAT THIS IS GOING TO INCREASE DUIS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I, I, I THINK THAT THAT'S A SPURIOUS ARGUMENT. 
          IT DOESN'T HAVE REALLY ANY MERIT WHATSOEVER BECAUSE PRIMARILY PEOPLE ARE DRINKING AT HOME DRIVING, OR ALTERNATIVELY THEY'RE GOING TO A RESTAURANT DRINKING TOO MUCH OR GOING TO A BAR AND DRINKING TOO MUCH. 
          THEY'RE NOT GOING TO A GAS STATION AND DRINKING TOO MUCH. 
          UM, THE, THE ISSUE I SEE IS HOW WOULD WE TAILOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS IN A, IN A MANNER THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE? UM, AND I THINK, I THINK THIS IS, THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S UNFORTUNATE BECAUSE OUR CHARTER AS A PLANNING COMMISSION IS PLANNING. 
          WE ARE NOT THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSION. 
          AND SO WE HAVE TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT. 
          UM, SO ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD SAY IS, ALTHOUGH I, UM, ALTHOUGH I SEE THE, THE MERIT OF THIS, I THINK THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD BE THE PROPER VENUE TO ADDRESS THE PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES, PARTICULARLY, UH, PARTICULARLY PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES WITH REGARD TO HOW DO WE DETERMINE, UM, IF THERE IS AN INCREASE IN, IN CRIME RELATED TO A SPECIFIC LOCATION. 
          NOW, MR. KAMIS LOCATION MAY NOT BE OF PARTICULAR CONCERN, BUT THERE'S 20 OTHER GAS STATIONS IN WEST COVINA, AND NOT ALL OF THEM ARE IN AS GOOD OF AN AREA FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF CRIME. 
          SO PERHAPS, PERHAPS HIS LOCATION IS GOOD, PERHAPS ANOTHER LOCATION WOULD NOT WORK. 
          AND SO I WOULD SAY, UM, IF, IF WE ARE TO APPROVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE CONDITIONS THAT HAVE ONGOING STUDIES ON WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS FAR AS INCREASE IN CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. 
          AND THOSE CAN BE GROUNDS FOR REVOCATION OF A C U P APPROVAL. 
          UM, BUT I DO, I DO SEE THERE WOULD BE MERIT IN GRANTING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR SERVICE STATIONS TO, TO TRY IT. 
          AND THEN WE SEE WHAT HAPPENS. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, IT CAN BE A YEARLY REVIEW SCENARIO WHERE IF, IF IT'S NOT AN ISSUE, WELL, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE CITY COUNCIL HAS ALL OF THE TOOLS AT ITS DISPOSAL TO MAKE THOSE DETERMINATIONS AND REMOVE CERTAIN CONDITIONS, PARTICULARLY IF A LOCATION IS ALWAYS IN GOOD STANDING, WE HAVE NO INCREASES IN CRIMINAL ACTIVITY IN THE AREA, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. 
          UM, SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I COULD CONCEIVABLY GET BEHIND AS FAR AS, UH, APPROVING THIS CODE AMENDMENT AND MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL FOR ITS APPROVAL. 
          BUT I WOULD, I WOULD WANT TO SEE THAT WE HAVE A MECHANISM BY WHICH WE'RE GETTING THAT DATA AND WE'RE GETTING IT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. 
          AND THAT STAFF IS NOT OVERWHELMED TO THE POINT OF ABSURDITY, UM, TRYING TO PARSE THROUGH EVERY NEW ORDINANCE THAT IS CRAFTED, THAT HAS SOME ADDITIONAL ADMINISTRATIVE, UH, A ADMINISTRATIVE TIME ATTACHED TO IT. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S THE BIG, THAT'S THE BIG PROBLEM. 
          YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE HAD A SITUATION WHERE, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY WHO WAS CITED FOR BEING DRUNK IN PUBLIC WAS W WAS TAKEN AWAY, HAD TO PAY THE CONSEQU, THE THE, OR HAD TO FACE THE CONSEQUENCES, YOU KNOW, BE IN A, A DRUNK TANK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT BEFORE THEY'RE ULTIMATELY RELEASED AND, AND THEN WE SEE A PROSECUTION AND, AND CONSEQUENCES FOR THAT, THAT MIGHT, THAT WOULD BE A TOTALLY DIFFERENT SCENARIO THAN WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. 
          IF MR. KARIMI AT HIS LOCATION CALLED THE POLICE, SOMEBODY'S DRINKING IN PUBLIC AT, ON HIS LOCATION, OKAY, POLICE WOULD GO OUT SITE AND RELEASE. 
          THERE WOULD BE, THERE'D BE NO PROSECUTION WHATSOEVER. 
          THERE PROBABLY WOULDN'T EVEN BE, BE A CITATION. 
          AND SO ULTIMATELY THE PERSON WOULD BE REMOVED AND THEN THEY COULD WALK BACK INTO THE STORE AND THEY COULD BUY WHATEVER THEY WANT. 
          YOU KNOW, I, I, I MEAN THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH THE REALITY OF THIS 
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SITUATION. 
          SO WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL IN TERMS OF WHAT WE DO. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT AS BIG A AS BIG OF AN ISSUE AT A RESTAURANT. 
          IT'S NOT AS BIG OF AN ISSUE AT LARGER RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS, BECAUSE HONESTLY, PEOPLE ARE LAZY. 
          OKAY? I HATE TO SAY IT, BUT IT'S A LOT EASIER TO WALK INTO A CONVENIENCE STORE, SWIPE SOMETHING, WALK OUT. 
          IT JUST IS, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE MAKING THOSE TYPES OF DECISIONS WHERE YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU'RE NOT ABIDING BY THE LAW, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GO OUTTA YOUR WAY TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT ON YOURSELF BECAUSE SOME SECUR SECURITY GUARD AT A LARGER RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT IS GONNA HARASS YOU. 
          I JUST, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE ELSE HAS ANYTHING ELSE THEY'D LIKE TO SAY, BUT THAT, THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS AND I'LL YIELD TO THE REST OF YOU. 
          WELL, I LIKE TO ADD THE FACT THAT, UM, IT IS, WE ARE THE PLANNING COMMISSIONS. 
          WE ARE REALLY WORKING ON LAND USE, HOW WE CAN MAKE THE COMMUNITY BETTER, WHETHER IT'S TO LAND USE TO ALLOW THE ALCOHOL SALES IN THE GAS STATIONS OR NOT. 
          BUT WE ARE REALLY FOCUSED ON LAND USE. 
          AND AGAIN, I WANNA ECHO MR. LEWIS, UM, COMMENT IS THAT EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT POLICING THE CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES OR LACK OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES, WE ARE STILL HAVE TO BE MINDFUL ABOUT WHAT ARE BEING APPROVED AND HOW IT'S GONNA AFFECT THE COMMUNITY IN THE FUTURE. 
          AND IF, IF OUR DECISIONS WILL IMPACT NEGATIVELY OR POSITIVELY, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY SOME OF THE POSITIVE IMPACT WOULD BE THE, YOU KNOW, THE INCREASE IN SALES TAX. 
          HOWEVER, WILL THAT OFFSET THE NEGATIVE IMPACT? WELL, WILL THERE BE A NEGATIVE IMPACT IN THE COMMUNITY AS WELL? AND MY BIGGEST CONCERNS IS THAT THIS PARTICULAR CODE AMENDMENT, IF WE WERE TO CHANGE IT, IT MAINLY AFFECT THE UPPER NORTHWEST CORNER OF OUR CITY. 
          AND THAT IS VERY CONCERNING TO, YES, IT DOES AFFECT THE ENTIRE CITY, BUT BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THE GENERAL, UM, SOMEHOW MAJORITY OF OUR GAS STATIONS ARE CONCENTRATED IN THAT AREA, SO THAT SECTIONS OF OUR TOWN WILL BE MAJORLY AFFECTED. 
          AND AGAIN, EVEN THOUGH WE PASS OR, OR MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO OUR CITY COUNCIL, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT LAWS CRIMINALS OR WHAT HAVE YOU IS GONNA CHANGE HOW IT'S GONNA IMPACT IN THE FUTURE AS WELL. 
          SO I AM, NUMBER ONE IS CONCERNED THE IMPACT IN TERMS OF THE FACT THAT IT IS FOR HEAVILY CONCENTRATED IN ONE SECTION OF TOWN AND TWO GAS STATION, IT IS A CONVENIENCE, YOU CAN SAY IT'S A CONVENIENCE STORE, BUT IT ALSO, IT ALSO ENTICE CERTAIN PEOPLES TO GO THERE. 
          AND I'M NOT SURE HOW WE CAN EVEN POLICE, I MEAN, IF, IF I WERE TO HAVE A HOMELESS GUY IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE, I'M NOT EVEN SURE HOW TO REMOVED HIM, EVEN WITH THE POLICE INVOLVED, CAN THEY EVEN HELP? AND IF THEY DON'T, IF THE POLICE CANNOT HELP, THEN HOW CAN EVEN A HO A A GAS STATION OWNERS, WILL THEY EVEN MAKE THE CALL TO EVEN HAVE A RECORD THAT THEY SAY THAT, HEY, LOOK, THIS IS AN ISSUE FOR THE GAS STATIONS. 
          AND IF YOU ARE SORT OF LIKE, UH, IF YOUR LICENSES ARE BEING MONITORED, WHETHER YOU HAD A CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, WILL YOU BE ENTICING YOURSELF TO EVEN CALL THE POLICE? OBVIOUSLY WHOEVER'S CAUSING THE TROUBLE WILL NOT MAKE THE PHONE CALL TO CALL THEMSELVES THAT, HEY, YOU KNOW, I'M A DRUNKEN GUY HERE, SO THERE ARE TWO IMPACT, AND I'M NOT SEEING HOW WE'RE GONNA RESOLVE THAT. 
          ISSUES. 
          ON THE ONE HAND, THE, THE OWNER OF THE GAS STATION MAY NOT CALL BECAUSE HIS LICENSE MIGHT BE IMPACT OR, OR, OR BEING TAKEN AWAY. 
          AND THEN THE TROUBLE GUY IS PROBABLY NOT GONNA CALL ON HIMSELF NEITHER. 
          SO WE HAD ALL THESE PROBLEMS, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA KNOW ABOUT IT. 
          SO I'M NOT SURE HOW WE'RE GONNA HANDLE THIS, BUT ARE WE OPENING UP A PROBLEM, POTENTIAL PROBLEMS, POSSIBLY IN THE FUTURES FOR OUR RESIDENTS? I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS THE CONVENIENCE, IT IS FOR THE CONVENIENCE OF OUR RESIDENTS AS WELL AS NEIGHBORING CITIES, BUT ALSO HOW MUCH IS THAT CONVENIENCE WILL CAUSE PROBLEMS FOR OUR CURRENT RESIDENT AS WELL, RIGHT? I MEAN, I'M WHOLEHEARTEDLY FOR BUSINESS OWNERS TO PROSPER IN OUR CITY, AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING SUCH A, A WONDERFUL BUSINESS OWNER AND CONTRIBUTOR TO, TO THE CITY AS WELL. 
          UM, I, YOU, YOU, YOU MENTIONED 42, 43 YEARS 
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BUSINESS OWNER, AND, UM, WITH THREE INCIDENTS THAT WOULD PROBABLY CHANGE ONCE YOU HAVE IT AND THAT THAT IS YOUR CHOICE TO TAKE ON THAT RESPONSIBILITY OR LIABILITY. 
          UM, BUT IF IT AFFECTS RESIDENTS, THEN THAT, THAT, THAT CHANGES EVERYTHING. 
          AND I, I PARTICULARLY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO, TO MAKE A DECISION. 
          I WOULD HAVE TO, BUT THAT, THAT'S, I MEAN, WELL, I GUESS WE'LL LEAVE THAT FOR DISCUSSION FOR THE COMMISSION. 
          YEAH, AND, AND I AGREE, UH, WE'RE BOTH, UH, COMMISSIONER ER AND, UH, SORRY. 
          YEAH, COMMISSIONER ER AND, UH, AND COMMISSIONER HANG, UH, THAT THESE ARE ISSUES THAT ARE, ARE LEFT UNANSWERED AND, AND JUST LIKE NIGHTCLUBS, THEY MAY NOT BE ENTICED TO CALL THE POLICE IF SOMEONE'S OUTSIDE THEIR PREMISES DRUNK OR CONSTANTLY A, A PUBLIC NUISANCE. 
          UM, AND I THINK THIS IS REALLY AN ISSUE THAT IF IT GETS APPEALED TO THE CITY COUNCIL, HOPEFULLY CITY STAFF COULD LOOK INTO THIS FOR, FOR THE CITY COUNCIL, WHICH IS HOW MUCH WOULD IT COST TO PUT THIS PART OF A GENERAL ELECTION? AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS BECAUSE THERE'S GONNA BE A READY, AN ELECTION CYCLE IN PLACE FOR THE CITY OF WEST RENA THAT IT'S, IT'S MORE COST EFFICIENT TO ADD A MEASURE TO THE BALLOT FOR THE VOTERS TO DECIDE IF SOMETHING LIKE THIS SHOULD BE APPROVED AND NOT APPROVED. 
          BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE, THE MEASURE SHOULD ADDRESS ISSUES THAT THIS, THIS COMMISSION HAS, UH, VOICE THEIR CONCERNS IN. 
          BECAUSE THESE ARE REAL ISSUES, UH, DAY-TO-DAY ISSUES THAT HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED. 
          AND, AND THE VOTERS ARE GONNA WANNA KNOW HOW, WHAT ENFORCEMENT MANAGERS ARE GONNA BE IN PLACE, HOW THE MONEY'S GONNA BE SPENT WHEN IT COMES TO THE TAX COLLECTION OF THIS, AND SHALL THERE BE A, EVEN A, AN INCREASE IN TAX SALE, AN INCREASED TAX ON, ON ALCOHOL SALES THAT BENEFITS THE COMMUNITY. 
          I MEAN, THOSE ARE ALL QUESTIONS ARE THAT NEED TO BE ANSWERED. 
          AND, AND, UM, AND IF IT, IF IT DOES GET A, IF IT, IF THE COMMISSION DOES NOT VOTE ON IT AND IT GETS APPEALED TO THE CITY COUNCIL, HOPEFULLY CITY STAFF CAN ANSWER OR HAVE THOSE ANSWERS PREPARED SO THE CITY COUNCIL COULD BE INFORMED ON, ON ALTERNATIVE DECISIONS TOO. 
          HAVE WE EVER BEEN ABLE TO JUST REFER TO THE CITY COUNCIL? UH, YEAH. 
          SO MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE, UH, TO EITHER APPROVE RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL OR RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL. 
          UM, AND EITHER WAY, THAT COULD BE PRESENTED OR YOU CAN JUST VOTE DIRECTLY, JUST PASS IT ON WITHOUT A RECOMMENDATION THAT WOULD BE TOTALLY UP TO THE COMMISSION. 
          BUT THIS IS ALSO A, A RECOMMENDATION TO, WHETHER IT'S TO APPROVE IT OR RECOMMENDATIONS TO NOT APPROVE IT TO EITHER APPROVED OR NOT APPROVE WILL GET TO CITY COUNCIL. 
          HE SAID RECOMMENDATION TO PASS IT ON AS WELL. 
          WE CAN DO THAT. 
          YOU, YEAH, IF YOU CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION YOU WITH DIRECTION, YOU COULD, YOU CAN MAKE A RECORD. 
          YOU COULD SAY, I MAKE A MOTION THAT THIS COMMISSION DOES NOT DECIDE ON THIS ITEM CODE AMENDMENT NUMBER 23 DASH ZERO TWO. 
          AND ON TOP OF THAT, I GIVE CITY STAFF DIRECTION TO PRESENT TO THE CITY CONSOLE OR APPROVAL ADDITIONAL ALTERNATIVES TO BE ADDRESSED AND PRESENTED TO THE CONSOLE, WHICH CAN BE, UH, WHAT'S THE POLICING POLICY? WHAT IS THE POSSIBILITY OF BEING PUT ONTO A GENERAL ELECTION? HOW MUCH WOULD THAT COST? SO YOU COULD, YOU COULD, YOU COULD REALLY ELABORATE ON A, A REFERRAL TO YEAH, AS LONG AS YOU MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, IT'LL GO TO THE COUNCIL AND YOU CAN ADD ANYTHING YOU WANT TO THAT YEP. 
          . 
          SO IN THAT CASE, , DOES ANYONE WANNA MAKE A MOTION? CURRENTLY, I, I WILL MAKE A, I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT, UH, AM I ALLOWED TO PERSONALLY SAY WHAT I BELIEVE AND, AND, AND SO FORTH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I DO NOT SUPPORT THIS, BUT, UM, I DON'T BELIEVE, UH, IN, IN THIS, I DON'T BELIEVE, I BELIEVE THIS IS A QUESTION FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO ANSWER. 
          AND I BELIEVE THERE'S A, AND I BELIEVE THAT IF IT WAS NOT APPROVED TODAY, IT WILL HAVE AUTOMATICALLY BEEN APPEALED BY EITHER APPLICANT OR SOMEONE FROM THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE REFER THIS TO THE CITY COUNCIL, BUT WE PUT INSTRUCTIONS FOR CITY STAFF TO ALSO PRESENT ADDITIONAL 
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DETAILS TO THE CONSOLE THAT THIS COMMISSION HAS ADDRESSED OF CONCERNS. 
          SO CITY STAFF CAN BE PREPARED, UH, TO, TO SHARE THOSE STUDIES AND REPORTS TO THE CONSOLE. 
          SO I WILL MAKE, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT THIS COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE A VOTE STANCE ON CODE AMENDMENT NUMBER 23 DASH ZERO TWO, AND THAT THE COMMISSION'S, UH, COMMENTS, WHICH COULD BE REPEATED BY THE COMMISSION MEMBERS OF THE CONCERNS THEY HAD, DID THIS BE REFERRED TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR A DECISION MAKING. 
          AND THEN ON MY PART, THAT I WOULD LIKE CITY STAFF TO PRESENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL INFORMATION IN REGARDS TO THE, THE OPTION TO PUT AN ITEM LIKE THIS ONTO A GENERAL ELECTION, UH, AND, AND ON THE COST, HOW MUCH WILL COST AND, AND SO FORTH. 
          AND I WILL THEN, UH, IF THE, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, IF WE GET A SECOND, THEN IF WE COULD INPUT, UH, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS THAT THEY WANT TO GIVE DIRECTION, UH, TO THE CITY COUNCIL AS WELL. 
          WHAT, WHAT STAFF COULD ALSO PRESENT TO THE COUNCIL AS A WHOLE? SO, SO VICE CHAIR, ACTUALLY, UH, I NEED TO CLARIFY. 
          THE, THE COMMISSION SHOULD TAKE A POSITION, UM, BECAUSE THERE ARE CERTAIN FINDINGS IN THE RESOLUTION LIKE RELATED TO C Q OR FINDING THAT A CONFORMITY WITH A GENERAL PLAN, WHICH ARE REQUIRED TO MOVE IT ALONG, BUT FIND WHETHER THAT'S A RECOMMENDATION TO DENY OR RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE, TO, TO MOVE IT FORWARD. 
          UH, WE WOULD WANT A RECOMMENDATION EITHER WAY, THEN IT'S NOT A REFERRAL, THEN YOU'RE ASKING US TO MAKE A DECISION, . 
          SO IN THAT CASE, UH, WE, COULD I TAKE BACK MY MOTIONS? WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT ? YEAH. 
          AS, AS I READ THROUGH, NO, YOU GOT THE RESOLUTION. 
          I REALIZED YOU ACTUALLY, YOU DO HAVE TO MAKE FINDINGS, UM, TO, TO MOVE IT ALONG. 
          SO WOULD IT BE OF ANY ADDITIONAL EXPENSE FOR MR. KREY TO APPEAL IT OR COULD HE THIS JUST GO BEFORE THE COUNCIL? I DON'T WANT TO COST HIM ANY ADDITIONAL EXPENSE FOR THE, FOR AN APPEAL. 
          THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL EXPENSE. 
          UM, IT'S OVER. 
          I, I BELIEVE AT $1,000. 
          WHAT'S THE PROCESS? IF HE WANTED TO ASK FOR A WAIVER FOR FEE, THERE'S NO WAIVER THERE, THERE WOULD NOT BE A WAIVER PROCESS. 
          NO WAIVER. 
          OKAY. 
          EVEN THOUGH HE'S ALREADY APPLIED FOR THIS PRIOR, NO, THERE WOULD NOT BE A WAIVER. 
          YEAH, WE DON'T, THE MUNICIPAL CODE OUTLINES PROCESS FOR A ZONING CODE AMENDMENT. 
          BUT NOW THE DIFFERENCE IS IF HE GETS TO COUNCIL, AND IF COUNCIL WERE TO APPROVE HIS APPEAL, THEN THERE MAY BE A SITUATION WHERE HE MAY RECEIVE BACK HIS APPEAL MONEY, BUT IT DEPENDS ON HOW THIS CITY HAS, UM, IDENTIFIED THAT IN THEIR MUNICIPAL CODE. 
          SO, UH, MR SAYS, WE VOTE KNOW AND TO REFER, YOU REFER TO CONSOLE, UH, THEN FEE, RIGHT? NO, BECAUSE IT'S A RECOMMENDATION EITHER WAY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE ASKING US TO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION. 
          SO HOLD ON FOR ONE SECOND. 
          UM, REGARDING THE FEE THAT WE JUST WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, THE 1500 TODAY, TONIGHT, WHETHER WE, OR, OR THIS EVENING, WHETHER WE APPROVED OR NOT APPROVED, THIS CODE AMENDMENT CHANGES, EITHER WAY, THIS WILL GETS PASSED ONWARD TOWARD THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          CORRECT? SO OUR APPLICANT DO NOT HAVE TO PAY A FEE EITHER WAY. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          CAN WE JUST DENY IT? OH, THEN IT STOPS. 
          YEAH. 
          IF, IF YOU JUST DENY THE REQUEST, THEN IT JUST STOPS HERE. 
          AND HE WOULD HAVE TO APPEAL AND PAY A FEE. 
          BUT THE REQUEST IS FOR YOU TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO LET'S MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. 
          AND THAT CAN BE A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE OR RECOMMENDATION TO DENY AND WORD TO COUNT. 
          SO NOW, IT'S NOW NO LONGER IT'S RESPONSIBILITY TO NOW AS A COMMISSION AS A WHOLE TO BE REFERRED TO, TO THE CONSOLE REGARDS. 
          OH, COMMISSIONER, UH, SORRY. 
          VICE CHAIR GUITARS BY REFERRAL. 
          UM, I THINK CITY ATTORNEY CLARIFIED. 
          YEAH. 
          DENIAL OR APPROVAL. 
          SO, SO, SO FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE RIGHT NOW, WHAT I'M GONNA DO, I MAKE A MOTION, OH, HOLD ON, LET ME GIVE MY WORDING. 
          , I MAKE A MOTION TO DENY CODE AMENDMENT NUMBER 23 DASH 
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ZERO TWO WITH THE C EXEMPTION TYPE, AND ALSO TO REFER THE MATTER TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR FINAL DECISION AND FOR CITY STAFF TO EXPLORE, EXPLORE COMMENTS THAT THE COMMISSION HAS AND PRESENT IT TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR FURTHER FINDING. 
          AND THAT'S MY MOTION. 
          SO , AGAIN, I JUST JUST WANT TO CLARIFY REFERRING IT TO THE COUNCIL. 
          SO THE, IT WOULD BE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND DENIAL TO THE COUNCIL IS I THINK IS WHAT WE'RE, OKAY. 
          YES. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          WITH, WITH DIRECTION OR REQUEST TO CONSIDER. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, SO I DON'T WANT, I DON'T WANT, BECAUSE THE COMMISSION HAS MADE, I IMPORT, THEY HAVE ALL MADE IMPORTANT COMMENTS. 
          SO I THINK I DON'T WANT THIS TO GET LOST IN, AND, AND THE CALLS WILL NEVER BE PRESENTED, THE, THE FACTS THAT THE COMMISSION MEMBERS HAVE PRESENTED ABOUT POLICING AND PUBLIC POLICY AND, AND WHATEVER THE CONCERNS THEY HAVE. 
          SO IN THIS CASE, I WILL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, AGAIN, CODE AMENDMENT NUMBER 23 DASH ZERO TWO TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO DENY THIS APPLICATION, TO DENY THIS CODE AMENDMENT, UH, WITH THIS EX I R EXEMPTION TYPE, AND TO ASK CITY STAFF, UH, TO EXPLORE, TO PRESENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL ALTERNATIVE OPTIONS, UM, FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION, UH, SUCH AS THE EXPENSE TO PUT IT ON A GENERAL ELECTION AND HAVE THE VOTERS  DECIDE. 
          AND THEN I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO INPUT THE COMMENTS THAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER SAL, WHICH, WHICH THEY COULD ADD TO THE MOTION. 
          AND THEN, UH, I GUESS, UH, IF WE GET A SECOND, SO I HAVE A POINT OF CLARIFICATION MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO ARE, ARE, ARE WE SAYING THAT THE PROPOSED ACTION IS NOT EXEMPT FROM C Q AS A RESULT OF THIS RECOMMENDED DENIAL? IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? OR IS I, I THINK WE DO HAVE TO MAKE THAT FINDING IF I'M RIGHT, MR. CITY ATTORNEY. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT CLEAR. 
          YEAH. 
          TO, SO TO CLARIFY THAT THE, THE EITHER ACTION, UH, I WOULD ADVISE WOULD BE EXEMPT FROM C E A. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE, IN THE, IN THE MOTION. 
          IN THE MOTION. 
          SO RECOMMENDATION OF THE DENIAL, WHAT EXEMPTION OF THE SECRA IS EXEMPT FROM SE BASED ON THE SAME GROUNDS AS IN THE RESOLUTION? YEAH. 
          CRE EXEMPTION. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          PERFECT. 
          SO, SO YEAH. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT MY MOTION WAS. 
          AND THEN, AND THEN, SO THAT WAS A FIRST, AND YOU ALSO, I THINK YOU ASKED FOR INPUT FROM YOUR COMMISSIONERS REGARDING WHAT TOPICS TO BE PRESENTED TO THE COUNCIL. 
          UM, I BELIEVE IT, IF I COULD JUST SUGGEST, I THINK WHAT I'VE HEARD THE COMMISSION DISCUSS WAS, UH, SALES TAX REVENUE IMPACT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UH, CRIME IMPACT. 
          WERE THERE ANY OTHER TOPICS, UH, PUTTING, UH, THE COSTS ASSOCIATED? WE'RE PUTTING IN ON A GENERAL ELECTION. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, BALLOT, HEADING IT TO THE BALLOT. 
          AND ANYTHING ELSE, UH, THE COMMISSION HAD. 
          SO THAT'S, SO RIGHT NOW THAT'S INCLUDED. 
          THOSE THREE TOPICS ARE INCLUDED IN THE RECOM IN, IN THE MOTION AS DIRECTION, THE STAFF TO PRESENT TO THE COUNCIL. 
          SO AT THIS TIME, CHAIR WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO SEE IF THERE'S A SECOND. 
          SO, SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY, UH, VICE CHAIR GUTIERREZ, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION BY GUTIERREZ. 
          AND IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE WE GO TO ROLL CALL? AND I'LL JUST SAY, YEAH, I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, DOES THE COM DOES MY COMMISSION MEMBERS HAVE ANY OTHER INPUT TO ADD TO THE LIST? THE CITY ATTORNEY JUST STATED? I, UH, I WILL SAY THIS FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, UH, I, I THINK ON THE LAND USE ISSUES, I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE RECOMMENDING DENIAL. 
          I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE HERE. 
          I THINK THAT OUR, OUR ISSUES ARE OUTSIDE OF THE, THE ISSUE OF LAND USE. 
          AND I, YOU KNOW, I, I UNDERSTAND PEOPLE MIGHT BE CONCERNED ABOUT SALES TAX. 
          UM, BUT I, YOU KNOW, I, I, I THINK THE, THE MOST SALIENT CONCERN REALLY ON, ON THIS IS GOING TO BE, UH, THE, UM, THE IMPACT TO, UH, PEOPLE'S DAILY LIVES. 
          IT'S VERY MUCH A, UH, AN AN ISSUE OF, UH, JUST GENERAL PUBLIC WELFARE. 
          AND, AND SO I, I, I THINK THAT WHAT WE SHOULD BE 
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DOING IS WE SHOULD BE SAYING, OKAY, IF THERE ARE ANY CHANGES TO THIS AMENDMENT, THIS AMENDMENT, UH, SHOULD, OR THIS CODE AMENDMENT SHOULD HAVE PROSPECTIVE CHANGES, AND WE SHOULD DIRECT THAT CITY COUNCIL, INVESTIGATE ANY, ANY PROSPECTIVE CHANGES, UM, TO THIS AND THE C U P PROCESS SUCH THAT IT SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSES THOSE, UH, THOSE GENERAL CONCERNS. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, I THINK THAT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT REALLY AN ISSUE, UM, TO, TO HAVE THIS, THIS CODE AMENDMENT GO THROUGH, PARTICULARLY IF THE C P PROCESS HAS PROTECTIONS BAKED IN. 
          SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF, IF WE ARE ABLE TO OBTAIN RELEVANT DATA ON CRIME STATISTICS IN, IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY OF A SERVICE STATION THAT APPLIES FOR A C U P, AND WE FIND THAT THAT'S INAPPROPRIATE, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE SHOULD PUT IN THE STANDARDS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL CAN, CAN ADOPT, I DON'T THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO BE SO NEBULOUS AND BE SO CONCERNED ABOUT NOT MAKING A DECISION AND JUST PUNTING IT TO CITY COUNCIL, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR. 
          WE'RE HERE TO MAKE LAND USE DECISIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS TO CITY COUNCIL. 
          SO I, I, I UNDERSTAND THE DESIRE, UM, TO, YOU KNOW, AVOID MAKING A DECISION THAT APPEARS CONTROVERSIAL, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THIS PARTICULAR ASPECT OF THINGS IS ALL THAT CONTROVERSIAL. 
          I THINK THE ISSUE IS WHAT ARE THE STANDARDS TO BE ON APPROVAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT? THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE ISSUE IS. 
          AND IF OUR, IF OUR CONCERNS ARE, HEY, THIS, THIS AREA IS OVER CONCENTRATED, AND WE'RE SEEING A, A, A SPIKE IN CRIME, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE NORTHWESTERN QUADRANT OF THE CITY, AT THAT POINT IN TIME, WE SAY THIS IS, THESE ARE THE GROUNDS FOR OUR DENIAL OF THE C U P, OR THESE ARE THE GROUNDS FOR THE, UH, OR FOR, FOR THE, UH, UM, UM, CANCELLATION OF THE C U P AS A RESULT OF WHATEVER'S GOING ON IN THAT AREA. 
          SO I THINK WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS WE SHOULD STATE TO THE CITY COUNCIL THAT YES, THIS IS, THIS IS APPROPRIATE, BUT THE C U P PROCESS NEEDS TO HAVE SOME LEGS ON IT, AND CITY STAFF NEEDS TO BE IN A POSITION WHERE THEY HAVE ALL OF THE DATA THAT COMES TO US WHEN WE ULTIMATELY HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON A C U P TO, TO APPROVE OR DENY. 
          I THINK THAT'S REALLY HOW THIS, HOW THIS SHOULD WORK, BECAUSE I, I, I DON'T THINK THAT, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE IS, IN THE RECORD, GOING BACK TO THE SEVENTIES, ANYTHING THAT SUPPORTS THIS GENERAL BLANKET DENIAL, THERE ISN'T. 
          AND, AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH IT. 
          IT, IT IS CAPRICIOUS IN THAT REGARD. 
          SO WE SHOULD BE MINDFUL OF THAT. 
          AND IF, IF, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE IS SOME UPSWELL IN, IN THE CITY WHERE THERE NEEDS TO BE A, A, A BLANKET PROHIBITION, WELL, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PEOPLE HAVE THEIR ABILITY TO PUT MEASURES ON THE BALLOT, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT IS SUCH A MAJOR PROBLEM THAT IT NEEDS TO BE PUT ON THE BALLOT. 
          I I, I, I, I, I RESPECT THAT OPINION, BUT I'M, I'M NOT, I'M NOT, THIS, I'M NOT ORDERING TO BE PUT ON A BALLOT. 
          WHAT I'M SAYING IS IT, I'M ASKING CITY STAFF TO HAVE THE ANSWER FOR CITY COUNCIL. 
          SURE. 
          BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THEY DON'T HAVE THAT. 
          SO THEY NEED TO, THEY HAVE, THEY NEED TIME TO RESEARCH THAT. 
          SO I WANT THEM TO HAVE THAT AS AN, AS AN ANSWER FOR THE CONSOLE. 
          IF THE, IF, IF, IF THE CONSOLE WANTS TO DECIDE THAT. 
          SO I'M, I'M NOT SAYING TO, THEY'RE THE CONSOLE, WHICH IS, WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE AUTHORITY TO SAY, TO TELL THE CONSOLE WHAT TO DO, BUT WE DO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE DIRECTION, UM, WHICH MY MOTION DOES. 
          THE ONLY DIFFERENCE FROM THIS WILL BE THAT IF YOU'RE SAYING I SHOULD BE RECOMMENDING A YES TO THIS APPLICATION, WHICH I AM NOT FOR, I I, BUT WE COULD PUT, WE COULD ADD YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT, ABOUT WHAT YOU JUST STATED ABOUT THE, THE STRUCTURE AND STUFF LIKE THAT AS, AS PART OF THE DIRECTION GIVEN TO THE CONSOLE. 
          I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. 
          WELL, IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE RECOMMENDING TO DENY IT, I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PURPOSE WOULD BE FOR ENCRYPTING THAT. 
          AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY ONLY ISSUE WITH IT, BECAUSE THE COMMISSION RA RAISED CONCERNS ABOUT HAVING THE APPLICANT PAY A $1,500 APPLICATION FEE. 
          SO I FOUND AN ALTERNATIVE TO GET THAT TECHNIC 
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THAT FEE RAVED BY HAVING THE COMMISSION REFER IT TO THE CONSOLE. 
          NOW, IF YOU WANNA, IF WE'RE GONNA CHARGE THE APPLICANT THE $1,500 FEE, THEN I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO DENY IT AS IS. 
          BUT , IF IN ORDER TO REFER IT, WE WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE IT. 
          SO, SO OBVIOUSLY WE, WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND, I'LL, I'LL MAKE A COUNTER MOTION THAT WE, THAT WE APPROVE THE CODE AMENDMENT SUBJECT TO SOME VERY SPECIFIC CONDITIONS. 
          ONE, THE 2000 SQUARE FOOT REQUIREMENT FOR THE LOCATION IS REINSTATED. 
          OKAY. 
          THE, THE, THE, THE NEXT, UH, NEXT ASPECT OF THINGS THAT NEEDS TO BE DEALT WITH IS, UM, IN RECOMMENDING THIS FOR APPROVAL, WE ARE, WE ARE DOING SO ON THE BASIS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL AND FUTURE PLANNING COMMISSIONS ARE ABLE TO OBTAIN RELEVANT CRIMINAL STATISTICS IN THE AREA SURROUNDING ANY PROPOSED SITE FOR THE, DURING THE C U P PROCESS, SUCH THAT WE CAN, UH, SUCH THAT WE CAN, UH, UNDERSTAND WHAT THE STARTING POINT IS AND, UM, AND DURING THE LIFE OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, WE CAN, WE CAN UNDERSTAND AND SEE AND HAVE REPORTS COME BACK SHOWING ANY INCREASES OR DECREASES IN THE AREA WITH REGARD TO CRIMINAL ACTIVITY SUCH THAT THE C P CAN EITHER BE REVOKED OR, UM, OR CONTINUED ON WITHOUT, WITHOUT FURTHER INTERRUPTION. 
          AND I THINK THAT THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY THE ESSENCE OF THIS. 
          UM, AND, YOU KNOW, I WOULD CERTAINLY BE OPEN TO, UM, TO HAVING ADDITIONAL PUBLIC NUISANCE CONCERNS, UM, TO THE EXTENT THAT THOSE ARE PART OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PROCESS, AND WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO MEASURE THOSE IN A NON ARBITRARY MANNER, WHICH IS, WHICH I BELIEVE WOULD BE THE KEY IN TERMS OF HOW, HOW WE MAKE A DECISION ON THE, THE C U P PROCESS. 
          IT CAN'T JUST BE, WELL, YOU KNOW, I SAW SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, IN THE AREA ONE TIME, AND I DON'T HAVE ANY DATA ON THAT. 
          I THINK WE, I, I THINK WE SHOULD SEE DATA COME TO US SUCH THAT THAT MOVES IT ALONG, AND THAT WOULD BE MY MOTION, AND THE COUNCIL CAN DO WITH IT WHAT THEY WANT. 
          ULTIMATELY, WE'RE A RECOMMEND, WE'RE A BOARD THAT RECOMMENDS CHANGES. 
          IF THE COUNCIL IS UNABLE TO GET THAT INFORMATION AND IT BECOMES SUCH AN ADMINISTRATIVE NIGHTMARE, THEN FRANKLY, I THINK THE COUNCIL WOULD BE WELL WITHIN THEIR RIGHTS TO DENY IT. 
          AND I'LL JUST SAY AS A PUBLIC COMMENT, THAT THE MAJORITY OF VOTERS I'VE SPOKEN TO IN DISTRICT ONE AND IN DISTRICT THREE, AND THE VARIOUS VOTERS YOU'VE SPOKEN TO THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF ESTA ARE STRONGLY AGAINST THIS INITIATIVE INITIATIVE AND THAT WE SHOULDN'T GO AGAINST THE VOTERS OF ESCO. 
          AND I THINK THAT THIS IS A SUBJECT OUT OF OUR HANDS AND, AND SHOULD BE GIVEN TO THE CONSOLE. 
          SO, ALL RIGHT. 
          SO WE HAVE A MOTION, UH, BY COMMISSIONER GUTIERREZ IN A SECOND, UH, BY COMMISSIONER. 
          HANG, UH, WE HAVE MY MOTION. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THAT? SEEING NONE, IT SEEMS TO DIE WITHOUT A SECOND. 
          SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY UH, COM, UH, VICE CHAIR GUTIERREZ AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HANG, UH, A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. 
          AND I'LL JUST SAY, I WANNA MAKE SURE IN MY MOTION, IF, IF COMMISSIONER HANGS OKAY WITH, WITH HER SECOND TOO, THAT WE ADD COMMISSIONER LEWIS'S COMMENTS AS D AS ALSO PART OF THE DIRECTION. 
          SO RESEARCH COULD BE DONE FOR THE CONSOLE ON THE TOPICS THAT HE ADDRESSED. 
          SO, UM, TO CLARIFY, CHAIR GUTIERREZ, UM, I BELIEVE, UH, CHAIR, VICE CHAIR GUTIERREZ, CHAIR LEWIS, UM, YOU MENTIONED BOTH REQUIRING A 2000 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM AND HAVING THE RELEVANT, UH, CRIME STATISTICS TO BEND, UNDERSTAND THE STARTING POINT AND DURING THE LIFE OF THE C U P, UM, AND INCLUDING A WAY TO MEASURE THAT, UM, INFORMATION. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO YOU GUYS, YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD ADD, I'LL SAY ALSO ITEMS ALSO REGARDING THE SQUARE FEET. 
          WHAT WAS THE SQUARE FEET PART TWO? UH, TO REQUIRE 2000 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM FOR ALCOHOL SALES? NO, I WOULD SAY THAT I THINK, UH, A MORE, I THINK A REALISTIC APPROACH FOR THE CONSOLE WOULD PROBABLY BE TO, TO SEE THAT APPROACH AND OTHER APPROACHES THAT ARE SIMILAR IN OTHER CITIES, UH, TO BE BROADENED THE RESEARCH ON THAT TOPIC. 
          I'M SORRY, WE CAN CLARIFY THAT. 
          UH, SO COMMISSIONER LEWIS INDICATED, 
          [01:50:01]
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT CAN YOU CONFIRM? HE WANTED TO MAKE A MINIMUM 2000 SQUARE FOOT REQUIREMENT FOR, UM, GAS STATIONS CONVENIENCE STORES TO BE ABLE TO DO OFF SALE ALCOHOL OF ALCOHOL. 
          SO BECAUSE WE'RE, BECAUSE I, I'M, I'M GIVING RESEARCH, OR, OR FOR CO FOR, FOR, SINCE WE'RE GIVING, I'M, SINCE MY, SORRY. 
          MY EMOTION IS TO GIVE RESEARCH. 
          I'LL SAY, LET'S, LET'S PRESENT THAT, UM, THAT RESEARCH TO WHERE HE INDICATED ON THE, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, BUT ALSO PRESENT ALTERNATIVE OPTIONS FOR THE CONSOLE. 
          TWO, THE OTHER CITIES ARE, ARE USING. 
          SO IT'S NOT THAT, JUST THAT ONE OPTION. 
          SO WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING IN REGARDS TO IF THEY HAVE A MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE. 
          EXACTLY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND, AND, AND I DEEM THE BEST OPTIONS WILL, THE EASY OPTION WILL PROBABLY BE IF THE MANY CITY STAFF OR CONTACT ABC, AND I KNOW, UM, THAT COULD PROBABLY EASILY HAPPEN EVEN IF YOU CONTACT ONE OF THE SENATE, THE SENATOR OR ASSEMBLY WOMAN'S OFFICE TO, TO INITIATE THAT INITIATIVE. 
          UH, SORRY, INITIATE THAT MEETING. 
          AND THEN YOU, THE OTHER ITEM THAT CHAIR LEWIS, UH, INDICATED WAS THE RELEVANT CRIME STATISTICS. 
          IS THAT ALSO BEING ADDED TO THE MOTION? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. 
          IF COMMISSIONER HANGS OKAY WITH IT, I'M OKAY WITH THAT. 
          BUT THE 200 SQUARE FOOT IN THE CRIMINAL REPORT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THEN WE HAVE A MOTION BY, UH, VICE CHAIR GUTTIER, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER HANG, UM, TO APP RECOMMENDING TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO DENY, UH, RESOLUTION 23 DASH 6 1 26, APPROVING THE SE EXEMPTION, UM, AND THEN PRESENTING ADDITIONAL OPTIONS FOR COUNSEL TO CONSIDER. 
          AND I'M JUST GONNA LIST THEM OFF OPTION TO PUT THE, UM, ITEM TWO, THE GENERAL ELECTION AND WHAT THAT COST WOULD BE TO INCLUDE IT ON THE BALLOT. 
          UM, CRIME IMPACTS, UH, SALES, INF SALES TAX INFORMATION, THE ECONOMIC IMPACTS OF ALLOWING THIS, UM, RESEARCH ON THE 2000 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM, UH, CONVENIENCE STORE SIZE AND WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING. 
          AND THEN THE RELEVANT CRIME STATISTICS. 
          UH, SO COMMISSIONER, HANG. 
          YES, I'M OKAY RIGHT THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          OH, NOW I'M TAKING THE VOTE. 
          SORRY. 
          OH, OH, OH. 
          AYE, UH, COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS? NO. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER BECERRA, UH, EPSTEIN. 
          OKAY. 
          VICE CHAIR GUTIERREZ. 
          AYE. 
          UH, AND THEN CHAIR LEWIS? NO. 
          SO MOTION DOES NOT PASS. 
          SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, DENY THE APPLICATION AS A WHOLE. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION BY VICE CHAIR GUTIERREZ, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? BUT THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD CAUSE HIM TO HAVE THE $1,500 FEE CORRECT. 
          CITY COUNCIL. 
          SO WE CAN HAVE ANY DECISION THEY WANT. 
          SO IF WE, IF WE DON'T DECIDE, DOESN'T IT AUTOMATICALLY GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL? IF YOU DENY THE APPLICATION WITHOUT A RECOMMENDATION, IT DIES HERE, AND THEN THE APPLICANT CAN CHOOSE TO APPEAL IT IF THEY WANT. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST TO BE CLEAR. 
          SO WHAT IS THE BEST WAY FOR IT? JUST TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL WITHOUT ANY ADDITIONAL EXPENSE FOR HIM? MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. 
          SO IF WE GOT TWO VOTES, OKAY. 
          SO IF I WAS TO GO AHEAD AND SAY YES, THEN IT WOULD GO STRAIGHT TO COUNCIL WITH NO, NO COST. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THEN I WILL CHANGE MINE TO, I, I I BELIEVE THAT, UM, WE'D HAVE A POINT OF ORDER ISSUE ON THAT. 
          MM-HMM. 
           OR YOU WOULD NEED A MOTION. 
          SO I'LL, I'LL MAKE A, IF I, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, FOR RECONSIDERATION IF, UH, PAULINA COULD PLEASE RESTATE MY MOTION, UH, THAT SHE HAS DOWN IN WRITING . 
          I DO. 
          IT'S VERY HELPFUL. 
          TAKE RE REVOTE AND, AND, AND SEE IF THERE'S A SECOND. 
          SO, JUST TO CONFIRM THE, THE POINT OF CLARIFICATION OR POINT OF ORDER, UH, THE MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION HAS TO COME FROM THE, UH, ONE OF THE MAJORITY WHO WAS DECIDING TO CHOOSE. 
          SO WOULD ACTUALLY NEED TO COME FROM, UH, COMMISSIONER BAER. 
          SO IF I UNDERSTAND RIGHT, YOU WANNA MAKE A MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION, COMMISSIONER BERA, CUZ YOU WANNA RECONSIDER YOUR VOTE, CORRECT? YES. 
          AND THEN IS, IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THAT, YEAH, THAT WOULD REQUIRE, THAT REQUIRES A VOTE TO RECONSIDER. 
          OKAY. 
          WITH, WITH, UM, AN AND THEN WE'LL BRING HIM BACK, I GUESS. 
          SO THE VOTE IS NOW TO RECONSIDER TO, TO APPROVE. 
          SO THIS VOTE WOULD BE WHETHER YOU ARE MAKING THE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE? 
          [01:55:02]
NO, SHE WANTS TO RECONSIDER A VOTE, HOW YOU'RE CALLING HER VOTE AND, AND RE AND, AND CHANGING HER VOTE. 
          SO, AND YOU'RE RECONSIDERING YOUR VOTE ON THE MOTION, WHICH WAS PREVIOUSLY STATED, WHICH IS A MOTION TO RECOMMEND DENIAL WITH ALL THE ADDITIONAL CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THERE WAS A SECOND ON THAT. 
          SO NOW THE VOTE IS AGAIN ON THE RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL. 
          SO IT'S THE SAME MOTION AS WHAT, WHAT THE WORDING? YOU WANT TO READ IT? THE WORDING? I, BUT WITH POINT OF ORDER AND POINT OF CLARIFICATION HERE THOUGH, I BELIEVE YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE A MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A SUBSEQUENT MOTION AGAIN TO HEAR WHAT THE ORIGINAL MOTION WAS. 
          SO THERE'D HAVE TO BE A MOTION, A RECONSIDERATION MOTION TO ALLOW A RE-VOTE ON THE PRIOR MOTION. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND THE CHAIR, UH, MAKES THE CALL ON THIS. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO. 
          SO THIS IS PURELY A MOTION FOR WHETHER TO RECONSIDER THE VOTE TO ALLOW FOR RECONSIDERATION? YES. 
          TO ALLOW FOR RE ALL RIGHT. 
          HONORS AGAINST, BUT, OKAY, GO AHEAD, . 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER. 
          BE SECONDED BY VICE CHAIR GUTIERREZ TO RECONSIDER THE VOTE. 
          SO WE ROLL CALL. 
          I'LL MOTION ROLL CALL . 
          COMMISSIONER HANG. 
          AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS? NO. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER BACE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          VICE CHAIR GUTIERREZ AYE. 
          AND CHAIR LEWIS? NO. 
          SO MOTION PASSES. 
          THREE, TWO. 
          SO NOW I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO BRING BACK MY ORIGINAL MOTION, UH, AND IF WE HAVE A SECOND FOR THAT, I'LL SECOND THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION BY VICE CHAIR GUTIERREZ, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER HANG, UM, TO, UH, ON THE ORIGINAL MOTION, WHICH, WHICH, UH, ALREADY WENT DOWN ON A 2 21 VOTE. 
          UH, PAULINA ROLL CALL PLEASE, COMMISSIONER. 
          OH, AND ACTUALLY, OH, CAN YOU CLARIFY THE, I APOLOGIZE. 
          UM, IF YOU CAN PLEASE READ THE, UH, THE TITLE OF THE PROPOSED, UH, CODE AMENDMENT AND THEN ROLL CALL. 
          SO, UM, THE MOTION IS TO RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO DENY, UM, RESOLUTION 23 DASH 6 1 26, APPROVING THE SEQUENCE EXEMPTION, AND THEN PRESENTING ADDITIONAL OPTIONS FOR COUNCIL, INCLUDING THE OPTION PUT TO PUT IT ON THE GENERAL ELECTION AND THE COST OF PUTTING IT ON THE BALLOT, UM, THE CRIME IMPACTS, UM, UH, ECONOMIC IMPACTS INCLUDING SALES TAX, AND THEN RESEARCH ON THE 2000 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM, UH, UH, SIZE FOR THE COMMUNION STORE AND WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING. 
          AND THEN THE RELEVANT CRIME STATISTICS. 
          UM, SO COMMISSIONER HING, UH, AYE. 
          OH, HOLD UP. 
          SORRY. 
          POINT OF ORDER. 
          IT'S, IT'S NOT TO DENY THE RESOLUTION, IT'S, IT'S, UM, THE RESOLUTION IS THE RECOMMENDATION. 
          SO IT'S TO, UH, RECOMMEND DENIAL. 
          SORRY, RECOMMEND , SORRY, , BECAUSE IT, BECAUSE THE RESOLUTION INCORPORATES GENERAL PLAN CONFORMITY FINDINGS AND C EQUA, WHICH WE NEED TO INCLUDE. 
          SO IT WOULD, THE MOTION ON THE TABLE , UH, WOULD BE TO RECOMMEND DENIAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL OF, UH, OF CODE AMENDMENT NUMBER 23 DASH ZERO TWO, CUT AMENDMENT RELATED TO BEER AND WINE SALES AT SERVICE STATIONS, UH, WITH THE PREVIOUSLY STATED, UM, ITEMS TO BE PRESENTED TO THE COUNCIL. 
          CORRECT? THAT'S WHAT I MOTION ON. 
          YEAH. 
          . 
          AND THAT WILL, WE'LL SECOND ON. 
          SO, SO I GUESS NOW ROLL CALL. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GUTTIER, OR EXCUSE ME, VICE CHAIR GUTTIER IS SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER. 
          HANG, ROLL. 
          CALL PAULINA, PLEASE. 
          COMMISSIONER HANG. 
          HI, COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS? NO. 
          COMMISSIONER BECERRA. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          JUST WANNA CONFIRM THAT THIS ISN'T ANY ADDITIONAL EXPENSE WE'VE ALREADY ASKED ENOUGH OF HIS TIME AND JUST DON'T WANNA COST HIM ANY MORE MONEY, CORRECT. 
          AYE, I'M VICE CHAIR GUTIERREZ AYE. 
          AND CHAIR LEWIS? NO. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THREE, TWO. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO MOVING ON. 
          UM, THIS ACTION IS FINAL UNLESS APPEALED TO THE CITY COUNCIL WITHIN 10 DAYS. 
          UM, LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER THREE, 
          [3. COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR'S REPORT]
WHICH IS THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR'S REPORT. 
          PAULINA, UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY ITEMS ON THIS? HI, GOOD EVENING AGAIN. 
          UM, JUST A COUPLE. 
          UM, WE ARE NOW IN APRIL AND WE'VE KICKED OFF OUR BUDGET SEASON FOR THE CITY. 
          [02:00:01]
UM, SO WE ARE, UM, GOING TO, WE'LL BE HOSTING A COUPLE COMMUNITY, UH, BUDGET WORKSHOPS, AND THE FIRST ONE IS SCHEDULED FOR, UM, TOMORROW 6:00 PM UH, APRIL 26TH HERE IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS. 
          IT'S GOT, SO EVERYONE IS INVITED TO ATTEND. 
          UH, THERE WILL BE ONE, UH, LATER IN MAY. 
          SO, AND ALL OF THAT INFORMATION IS ON OUR WEBSITE, SO IF PEOPLE DO WANNA PARTAKE IN THOSE BUDGET WORKSHOPS, THEY ARE AVAILABLE ON THE WEBSITE. 
          UM, AND THAT'S IT. 
          WHEN IS THE SECOND ONE? MAY, LET ME PULL THAT UP FOR YOU. 
          HOLD ON ONE MINUTE. 
          WHAT TIME IS TOMORROW? SIX 6:00 PM WHAT'S TOMORROW? WHAT'S YOUR WORKSHOP? MM-HMM. 
           . 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          IT'S OKAY. 
          I GUESS I COULD, I CAN GET YOU THAT INFORMATION. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OH, UM, ALSO, UH, WES COVINA IS GONNA BE HOSTING OUR, UH, WE'RE BRINGING BACK OUR SMALL BUSINESS, UH, WEEK, UH, EVENTS HERE. 
          SO WE'RE KICKING 'EM OFF ON WEDNESDAY, UM, MAY 3RD AT 6:00 PM HERE IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS. 
          IT'S GONNA BE A PRESENTATION FROM THE SMALL BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION AND A SEMINAR WITH OUR SMALL BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT CENTER IN LAVERNE. 
          AND IT'S ALL ABOUT, UM, SMALL BUSINESS CREDIT. 
          SO THAT'S THE WORKSHOP THAT DAY. 
          AND THERE'S GONNA BE AN EXPO. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE, UM, RESOURCES FROM P N S SPDC, SMALL BUSINESSES WANNA ATTEND. 
          AND THEN ON THURSDAY, MAY 4TH AT FIVE 30, WE'RE HAVING A SMALL, UH, BUSINESS WEEK MIXER AT, UH, TEMPLE BAR AT, UH, GRAND CREEK PLAZA. 
          SO EVERYONE'S INVITED TO ATTEND AND THE OTHER COMMUNITY. 
          OH, AND THEN THE SECOND, UH, COMMUNITY BUDGET WORKSHOP IS MONDAY, MAY 1ST, 6:00 PM AND IT'S GOING TO BE, UM, AT THE CAMERON PARK, UH, COMMUNITY CENTER. 
          OKAY. 
          ARE THOSE, THOSE, UM, EVENTS, ARE THEY IN THE FOLDER OR, OR, OR CAN WE GET THOSE EMAILS WE CAN GET? YEAH, WE WILL FORWARD THAT TO YOU GUYS. 
          ANY, ANY OTHER ITEMS ON NUMBER THREE? NOPE, THAT'S IT FOR ME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND, UH, MOVING ON TO 
          [4. CITY COUNCIL ACTION]
ITEM NUMBER FOUR, PAULINA, YOU HAVE ANY ACTIONS, UH, FROM THE COUNCIL TO REPORT? UM, AT THE LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING, THE CITY COUNCIL DID, UM, APPROVE MOVING OR EXTENDING THE MORATORIUM ON THE DRIVE-THROUGHS. 
          SO IT IS GOING TO BE EXTENDED FOR AN ADDITIONAL 10 MONTHS AND 15 DAYS OUT. 
          SIT FOR ME THIS EVENING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, BEFORE WE ADJOURN, UM, CHAIR, IF I MAY, YES. 
          WE DO NOT HAVE ANY, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA ITEMS FOR THE FIR FIRST PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING IN MAY. 
          SO THAT MEETING WOULD BE CANCELED DUE TO LACK OF, UM, ITEMS. OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          PLEASE BOTH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SINCE THERE'S NO FURTHER BUSINESS, UH, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED AT 9:04 PM THANK YOU.
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