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          [Call to Order]
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          ALL RIGHT. 
          GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. 
          I CALL THIS, UH, REGULARLY SCHEDULED, UH, FEBRUARY 14TH, 2023, MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER. 
          UH, WE WILL NOW TAKE A MOMENT FOR SILENT PRAYER MEDITATION, FOLLOWED BY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, WHICH WILL BE LED BY, UH, COMMISSIONER HANK. 
          PLEASE RISE. 
          PLEASE JOIN ME WITH THE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE. 
          I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE, PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          JOANNE ROLLCALL, PLEASE. 
          COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS. PRESENT. 
          COMMISSIONER, HANG HERE. 
          VICE CHAIR GUTIERREZ. 
          HERE. 
          HERE. 
          SORRY. 
          COMMISSIONER. 
          SARAH'S NOT YET IN, UM, CHAIR LEWIS PRESENT. 
          [APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          MOVING ON. 
          WE HAVE APPROVAL OF MINUTES NIGHT. 
          WE HAVE TWO SETS OF MINUTES. 
          THE FIRST IS FROM THE REGULARLY, UH, THE REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION HELD ON DECEMBER 13TH, 2022. 
          SECOND BEING FROM JANUARY 24TH, 2023. 
          DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY CHANGES, UH, TO THE, TO EITHER SET OF THE MINUTES? SEEING NONE, THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED. 
          UH, MOVING ON TO ORAL COMMUNICATIONS. 
          UH, NOW IS THE TIME FOR ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA. 
          ANYONE 
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SEEING NONE? WE WILL MOVE FORWARD. 
          WE'RE GONNA SKIP A COUPLE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA HERE MOMENTARILY. 
          WE'RE GONNA SKIP TO ITEM FIVE ON THE AGENDA. 
          UH, ART AND PUBLIC PLACES. 
          NUMBER 22 DASH ZERO ONE. 
          JOANNE, WHO WILL READ THE STAFF REPORT? CHAIR LEWIS? I WILL PRESENT THE STAFF REPORT. 
          OKAY, VERY WELL. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          GOOD EVENING, HONOR ROLL CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT THE NOVEMBER 22ND PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. 
          THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED THE AERIAL SCULPTURE DESIGNED FOR THE MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING AT THE QUEEN OF THE VALLEY HOSPITAL, AND PROVIDED DESIGN SUGGESTIONS FOR THE MURAL. 
          THE MURAL, IT WOULD BE LOCATED ON THE WEST WALL OF THE MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING AND WOULD WRAP AROUND THE NORTH. 
          THE ARTIST FOR THE MURAL IS MR. NATE FRIEL. 
          HE HAS DESIGNED MURALS THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES AND ALSO INTERNATIONALLY. 
          HERE IS THE PROPOSED DESIGN FOR THE MURAL. 
          THE DESIGN OF THE MURAL REFLECTS THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DIS PLANNING COMMISSIONER'S DIRECTION. 
          AT THE NOVEMBER MEETING, IT DEPICTS THE, IT DEPICTS WEST, WEST COVIN HISTORICAL FIGURES WITH ELLEN BEACH, YA, RIGHT ALONG HERE, NEXT TO THE FIR, THE CITY'S FIRST MAYOR, MAYOR MAXON, SISTER COLUMBUS, SHAKING HANDS WITH A DOCTOR, AND NEXT TO THE DOCTOR IS A NURSE AND A YOUNG GIRL LOOKING AT A, A HOUSE FINCH BEHIND THEM. 
          AT THE BACKGROUND IS THE, OUR CLOUDS THAT WOULD PROVIDE THE CONNECTION TO, TO THE FIGURES ON THE SIDE OF THE, ON THE SIDE WALL, THERE WOULD BE THE CENTENNIAL DESIGN. 
          THE ARTIST PROVIDED SEVERAL, THE PROVI, THE ARTIST PROVIDE US OUT SEVERAL OPTIONS FOR THE CENTENNIAL DESIGN STAFFERS RECOMMENDING THE FIRST OPTION, WHICH, WHICH IS THE ONE, UM, 100 YEAR LOGO WITH, WITH THE, THE PAINTINGS OF THE ORANGES. 
          AND HERE IS, UM, OTHER EXAMPLES OR OTHER DESIGN OPTIONS FOR THE CENTENNIAL DESIGN. 
          HERE ARE THE COLOR TO RENDERINGS. 
          THE TREE ALONG IN FRONT OF THE WALL WILL BE REMOVED AND RELOCATED 
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ELSEWHERE, SO THAT THE DESIGN IN THE MURAL WOULD BE VISIBLE. 
          THE, THE MURAL WOULD BE PAINTED WITH GRAFFITI AND WEATHER RESISTANT COATING, SO THAT IT'LL BE, IT'LL, IT'LL REMAIN, UM, IN GOOD CONDITION. 
          WITH THAT, IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVE THE CONCEPT DESIGNED FOR THE MURAL. 
          IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS ANY QUESTIONS, STAFF IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER THE REP. 
          UM, QUEEN OF THE VALLEY OR EMINENCE REPRESENTATIVE IS ALSO HERE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY PLAN OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S. 
          QUESTIONS. 
          DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YES, MR. GUTIERREZ, WHO IS THE GIRL ON THE LEFT? UH, THE GIRL ON THE LEFT IS, UH, MARK ELMAN. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          GREAT. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AND THEN, UH, WOULD THIS PROCESS EVENTUALLY GO BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR FINAL APPROVAL OR HOW DOES THAT WORK? NO, IT, IT WOULD JUST, IT WOULD JUST BE PLANNING, COMMISSION PLANNING, COMMISSION'S APPROVAL. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING LESS HAVING, I KNOW, I MEAN, PERSONALLY, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD PUT THE FIRST MAYOR ON THERE. 
          I THINK SOMETHING MORE INSPIRING. 
          I'M NOT SAYING HE WASN'T INSPIRATIONAL, I'M JUST SAYING IN GENERAL, I THINK, LOOK, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING ELSE BESIDES THE FIRST MAYOR. 
          SORRY, FIRST, OR MAYBE EVEN, UH, THE PATIENT. 
          LET ME, UH, MAYBE THE HOSPITAL HAS A PATIENT. 
          I MEAN, WELL, UH, MAYBE, UH, I MEAN, THERE'S A MIRACLE PATIENT YOU GUYS HAVE TREATED AT THE HOSPITAL THAT, UH, YOU GUYS BELIEVE THAT IS DESERVING TO GO ON THIS MORAL. 
          SOMETHING THAT MAYBE EMAN HAS DONE TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN, IN THE LIVES OF SOMEONE ELSE. 
          THAT'S JUST A PERSONAL OPINION. 
          UM, THE WOMAN IN THE MIDDLE FOUNDERS PASSING THE TORCH OFF THAT ONE. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          YEAH, THAT ONE. 
          UH, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT USED TO BE A, UH, A CATHOLIC HOSPITAL. 
          SO THAT, ME PERSONALLY, I, I, I MEAN, I LIKE THE NUN, BUT , BUT I THINK, UH, I MEAN THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE BESIDES THE MAYOR OR THE FIRST MAYOR OF OUR CITY COULD GO THERE. 
          UM, AS, AS I WAS SAYING, I, I DID SPEAK TO THE, UM, THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY AND THEIR NUMBER ONE CHOICE WAS THE MAYOR. 
          NUMBER TWO CHOICE WAS JOSIAH HURST. 
          UM, AND THEN THERE WERE OTHER PEOPLE, WELL THAT'S, AND THEN WE WENT TO, UM, UH, MARK ELLEN, WHICH, UH, WE THOUGHT WOULD BE JUST A NICE DEPICTION FOR THE AS WELL. 
          SO WOULD YOU PREFER TO SEE, I MEAN, UH, SI HIRST THERE INSTEAD, OR, UH, THIS WAS ON THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE, OF THE COVINA HISTORICAL SOCIETY TO ALL THROUGH IN MY 2 CENTS ON IT, I, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH, UH, WITH THE INDIVIDUALS INCLUDED IN THE, UH, IN THE PROPOSAL. 
          I JUST THINK THE, THE BACKGROUND LEAVES SOMETHING TO BE DESIRED, FRANKLY. 
          IT'S, IT'S VERY, I I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO, HOW ELSE TO PUT IT. 
          IT'S JUST, IT DOESN'T REPRESENT ANYTHING ABOUT WEST COVINA. 
          LOOKS KIND OF BUSY TOO. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND I KNOW AS AN ARTIST PER PERSON CAUSES MONEY. 
          SO I MEAN, IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE ABLE TO SAVE MONEY BY ELIMINATING THE MAYOR AND AND EMBROIDERING THE BACKGROUND, I THINK THAT'S A BETTER OPTION. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE. 
          UM, WE DO WANNA HAVE SOME REPRESENTATION THOUGH, OF THE HISTORY OF THE A HUNDRED YEAR, YEAR HISTORY OF I COMPLETELY AGREE, MS. COVINA. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I THINK THAT, UH, WE SHOULD HAVE SOMEBODY, AT LEAST A COUPLE OF PEOPLE REPRESENTED THERE. 
          LET'S SEE. 
          UM, AS FAR AS THE BACKGROUND GOES, UM, THERE'S NO, I MEAN, CASA IS NOT AN ISSUE BECAUSE THIS IS MULTI-PHASE. 
          I MEAN, SO, UM, IS THERE A RESIDENT UP THERE THAT HAS CONTRIBUTED TO WEST CAMINA TO THE COMMUNITY? LA ELLEN. 
          HUH? LARK ELLEN ON THE FAR LEFT IS LARK ELLEN. 
          HER NAME IS, UM, LARK ELLEN IS HER NICKNAME. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          CORRECT. 
          CUZ SHE WAS A PROFESSIONAL SINGER. 
          ELLEN. 
          BEAT YA. 
          YEP. 
          YES, LEO. 
          I WAS THINKING LIKE MAYBE THE STREET. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          THE, THE DIFFERENCE IS LIKE, 
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FOR EXAMPLE, THIS IS A, UH, ONE OF THE FIRST, UH, SIGNS FOR, UH, WEST PLAZA SHOPPING CENTER. 
          MAYBE, UH, MAYBE A, MAYBE A BACKGROUND, ALSO A PICTURE OF HORSE RANCH. 
          I MEAN SOME, SOME OF THE HISTORIC, HISTORIC HISTORY OF WEST VINA. 
          UH, WE DID CONSIDER THAT. 
          AND THE REASON WE DECIDED TO GO WITH, UH, THE PEOPLE IN THE HISTORY RATHER THAN WEST COVINA IS FOR THE AESTHETICS, THE AESTHETIC OF THE MURAL. 
          UM, WITH, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU HAVE THE MAY COMPANY, WHICH WAS LIKE ONE OF THE FIRST MAJOR MALLS IN THE COUNTRY, BUT DON'T KNOW IF THE MAY COMPANY WOULD LOOK GOOD IN A MURAL OR SOMETHING LIKE IN, OH, THERE ARE SOME BEAUTIFUL BUILDINGS IN WEST COVINA. 
          THERE REALLY AREN'T, THERE. 
          NOT ONLY A HUNDRED YEAR HISTORY, THERE AREN'T MANY HISTORICAL BUILDING. 
          AND THAT'S WHY WE DECIDED TO GO WITH THE HOST, THE PEOPLE IN HISTORY, RATHER THAN WHEN I SEE HOW THIS DRAWING IS GONNA GO ON A, A BEAUTIFUL SITE OF THE, THIS NEW STATE OF THE ART BUILDING. 
          I WISH WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO EVEN WIDEN THE PERSPECTIVE OF INPUT FROM OUR COMMUNITY. 
          LIKE MAYBE EVEN FROM OUR LOCAL SCHOOLS, GETTING OUR LOCAL STUDENTS IDEAS ON, ON WHAT COULD GO THERE. 
          WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE CRUNCH TIME WHEN, YOU KNOW, HAVING A DECISION ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS BY APRIL? END OF APRIL. 
          OKAY. 
          THEM TO REALISTICALLY, OKAY. 
          CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. 
          UH, IF, I MEAN, JUST AN IDEA IN GENERAL. 
          I THINK, UH, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A CHANCE TO BRING THIS BACK AT OUR NEXT UPCOMING MEETING. 
          AND BETWEEN THAT TIME, HAVE CITY STAFF BROADEN, UH, INPUT FROM LOCAL SCHOOLS, OUR LOCAL SCHOOLS IN OUR DISTRICT. 
          UH, AND ALSO I KNOW, UM, AND MAYBE FROM OUR, UH, COUNCILWOMAN LATI LOPEZ VIDO, WHO HAS A ARTS PROGRAM TOO, UH, TO GET OTHER INPUT FROM OUR COMMUNITY, UH, ESPECIALLY FROM OUR LOCAL SCHOOLS. 
          CAUSE I, I KNOW THERE MAY BE MAYBE A HISTORIC TEACHER THAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT OR, OR SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE'RE MISSING. 
          AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO GET A LITTLE MORE INPUT, UH, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S GOING ON A BEAUTIFUL, A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING. 
          LIKE IT'S BEING BUILT AND, AND, AND ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S GIVEN, IT'S BEING GIVEN A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF, UH, UH, PROSPECT AND IMAGING WHEN PATIENTS ARE GONNA GO TO THIS HOSPITAL. 
          AND IT'S GONNA BE BRIGHTENED UP, I'M ASSUMING, RIGHT? IT'LL BE PARDON? IT'LL BE LIT UP AND EVERYTHING. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          BUT, UM, I DO HAVE, AS I SAID, I DID RESEARCH WITH THE, UM, THIS, THE, I GOT THIS THE HISTORY. 
          HISTORY, OKAY. 
           COMMUNITY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          AND WITH THAT, UH, WE HAD A LIST AND I DID GO TO THE, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT, UM, CAN WE GO BACK TO THE BEGINNING WHEN YOU WERE FIRST TRYING TO TELL US HOW YOU CAME ABOUT WITH THIS MIRROR. 
          SO CAN YOU TELL US A LITTLE STORY AS WHERE THE BACKGROUND COMES FROM AND WHAT CONCEPT THIS STARTS SO WE CAN ALL, YOU KNOW, KNOW ABOUT IT? SO, BRIAN, COULD WE LET 'EM THE WALLS IN TWO SECTIONS? BY THE WAY, IS IT POSSIBLE TO, UH, FAST FORWARD? YOU SEE THAT'S ONE SIDE AND THEN IT TAKES A CORNER AROUND TO THE, UH, THE OTHER HERE. 
          ONCE AGAIN, THOSE TREES WILL BE REMOVED. 
          AND THEN THAT 100 RIGHT THERE FOR THE 100, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST, THERE ARE A FEW DIFFERENT, UM, THERE ARE A FEW DIFFERENT OPTIONS THERE. 
          WHAT I REALLY LIKE IS, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK, HERE IS A PICTURE. 
          THIS IS AN ARCHIVAL PICTURE OF, UH, HEARST RANCH. 
          AND I THINK THIS REASON I'LL HAVE IT IN THERE. 
          THERE IS ANOTHER ONE THAT'S CLOSE TO THIS. 
          THE ARTIST CAN PAINT THIS IN COLOR AND ADD COLOR TO IT AND PUT THAT IN THE HU IN THE HUNDRED THAT WOULD GET TRIBUTE TO HEARST RANCH WITHIN 100 RIGHT THERE. 
          SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT'S WHAT I, WE WOULD RECOMMEND WE GO IN THE PATTERN, THE, UH, THE VISUALS INSIDE OF THE HUNDRED AS FAR AS THE MAIN WALL GOES, UH, FOR THE MAIN WALL, WE HAVE HISTORICAL FIGURES IN CP TONES AND IN MODERN COLOR. 
          THE CLOUDS IN THE BACKGROUND SERVE A FEW PURPOSES. 
          THEY MA MADE UP OF THE COLORS OF THE CHOSEN PALETTE AND ALSO MIX WELL WITH THE FIGURES, MAKING THEM FLOW TOGETHER NICELY. 
          AND THEY ALLOW CONNECTION FOR THE BIRDS TO FLY THROUGH. 
          THE BIRDS ARE HOUSE FINCHES. 
          THEY ARE NATIVES TO THE AREA AND THOUGHT TO BE A GUIDE TO THE WORLD BEYOND NATIVE AMERICAN REGARDS THEM OF AN OMAN OF JOY IN THE CENTER. 
          SISTER COLOMBA SHAKES HANDS WITH THE DOCTOR, A KIND OF PASSING OF THE TORCH BEHIND HER. 
          WES COVIN, HER FIRST MAYOR STANDS PROUDLY. 
          HE WEARS A PEN THAT SAYS 
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MAXIM FOR MAYOR, WHICH WE COULD OR COULD, UH, NOT INCLUDE, UH, FOR GOOD MEASURE. 
          BEHIND HIM STANDS ELLEN BEACH JAW, LAR ELLEN INNER ELEMENT WITH THE BIRDS PUSHED ON HER HAND. 
          THERE WAS A PHOTO OF HER THAT, UH, THE ARTIST LIKED THAT HE WOULD, UH, WAS LOOSELY, SHE WAS LOOSELY WRAPPED WITH OUT FLOWERS AND HE ADDED SOMETHING SOME SIMILAR WITH XIA. 
          SO THE XENIA, BY THE WAY, OF IN THE HISTORY OF WEST COVINA WAS, UH, WEST COVINA WAS KNOWN AS THE XENIA, UH, CENTER. 
          THEY, THEY HAD, UH, THEY GREW AND EXPORTED THE MOST INS, I BELIEVE ALMOST ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD. 
          NEXT TO THE DOCTOR IS AN ASIAN NURSE IN HER HAND, ON THE SHOULDER OF A YOUNG HISPANIC GIRL WEARING A WEST COVINA T-SHIRT. 
          SHE LOOKS HAPPY. 
          AND ANOTHER FINCH FLYING THROUGH THE AIR CONNECTING TO THE MURAL OR, AND AT BOTH, SINCE THE SIDE WALL IS NOT FLAT, THAT WOULD BE THE ONE WITH A HUNDRED ON IT. 
          AND OBSTRUCTED, WE THOUGHT IT BETTER TO UTILIZE IT FOR A CENTEN CENTENNIAL DESIGN WHILE FO WHILE FOCUSING THE BULK OF THE PAINTING WITH A LARGER FLAT WALL. 
          UH, WE WOULD HAVE THE TREE, THE TREES WILL BE REMOVED, AND IN FACT THEY ALREADY HAVE BEEN REMOVED. 
          AND, UH, LET ME SEE. 
          COURSE IN A SHORT WALL, EVEN MORE SEARCH OVER TIME. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. 
          I DO, ONCE AGAIN, I, I SENT THE HISTORICAL, UH, PEOPLE OUT OF, UH, MEMORY. 
          UM, IF YOU WOULD LIKE, I DO HAVE A LIST. 
          I COULD GO THROUGH MY, MY FILE AND FIND THE, UM, THE LIST THAT THE HISTORIC, THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY GAVE ME, UH, FOR OTHER HISTORICAL PEOPLE. 
          AND, UH, BUT AS I WAS SAYING, THEY SUGGESTED THAT THE FIRST, THAT THE, THEIR FIRST ON THE LIST WAS THE MAYOR. 
          SECOND WAS, UM, UH, WAS SOMETHING REGARDING FIRST RANCH AND UH, SO ON. 
          BUT I HAVE A FEW MORE IN THERE IF YOU WANT ME TO GET THOSE AS FAR AS, UH, HOW ABOUT LIKE THE FIRST TEACHER OF WEST CAN, THE UNIFIED DISTRICT? I DON'T CARE FOR THOSE CLOUDS. 
          SORRY. 
          THEY LOOK LIKE ONE FIRE AND WHICH ONE? THE CLOUDS. 
          OH YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. 
          THEY HAD LIKE THE OLD EASTLAND. 
          YEAH, I'D LIKE TO SEE LIKE, UH, THAT OLD EASTLAND TOWN THEY HAD ALONG THE FREEWAY. 
          THAT'S A GOOD ONE. 
          ALSO, THERE'S THE, UM, LARK ELLEN IS, I MEAN THE TREE, THE PALM TREES, IT, LINE LARK ELLEN ARE REALLY, UH, A BEAUTIFUL PART OF WEST CAMINA. 
          UM, WELL, EVEN LIKE A AERIAL VIEW, LIKE IF YOU'RE STANDING ON TOP OF THECA TOWER BUILDING, YOU SEE, YOU SEE THE TWO MALLS AND THE FREEWAY. 
          BUT YEAH, IS IT POSSIBLE TO PUT THE CITY LOGO IN THE MIDDLE? ZERO? I DON'T SEE WHY NOT. 
          UM, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          YEAH, I'M SURE. 
          SO, BUT I THINK YOU, YOU WERE MENTIONING THAT YOU WERE GONNA ADD SOME LANDSCAPING ABOUT WHAT'S KARINA LANDSCAPING? OH NO, THAT WOULD BE ON THE BUILDING OF THE HUNDRED. 
          IF YOU LOOK INSIDE THE 100 THERE, RIGHT? WHERE YOU SEE THE ORANGES ARE, IF YOU GO, IF YOU WOULD, UH, GO TO ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE, OH, ON THE SIDE, RIGHT? WE CAN DO DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          IF IF YOU GO UP, IF YOU GO UP, UH, ONE MORE THERE, THAT WOULD BE MORE REPRESENTATION OF, UH, LIKE THE UPPER ONE, OR ACTUALLY MORE OR LESS A LOWER ONE. 
          BUT THAT'S A MORE MODERN PICTURE. 
          THAT WOULD BE THE VIEW. 
          ONLY AN ARCHIVAL VIEW OF WHAT THAT LOOKED LIKE A HUNDRED YEARS AGO IN WITHIN THE 100. 
          AND THEN IF YOU'D LIKE, WE CAN PUT THE LOGO IN THE MIDDLE IF YOU PREFER. 
          MOVE THE LOGO TO THE MI THE WEST COVIN LO TO GO TO THE MIDDLE. 
          SO ARE WE OKAY WITH THE HUNDRED PART GOING THAT, UH, GOING WITH THAT WALL WITH THE 100 THERE, IF WE MAKE THOSE CHANGES, THE 100 OUT OF THE BUILDING LOOKS PRETTY EMPTY ON THE BUILDING ITSELF. 
          JUST WITH THE 100, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE WAY THE, YOUR RENDERING PLEASE, THE WAY THAT SETS UP THE WALL IS STAGGERED. 
          SO IT CREATES MORE INTEREST WITH THE WALL BEING STAGGERED LIKE THAT YOU CAN SEE. 
          AND AS LONG AS IT'S BRIGHTEN UP AND LIT UP AND MAINTAIN, IT'S GONNA LOOK, IT'LL LOOK BEAUTIFUL. 
          THESE ARE NO LONGER THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'LL, IT'LL LOOK BEAUTIFUL. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          IT WOULD KIND OF LOOK COOL IF YOU HAD LIKE A PICTURE OF, OF WEST COVINA THE SAME SCENE OR WESTCO A HUNDRED YEARS AGO, AND THEN WEST CAVINA TODAY, LIKE THE SAME. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD WORK IN WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT ON THOSE WALLS OR, I MEAN, IS EVERYBODY PUT WITH THE 100 OR ASSUMING IT'S BECAUSE OF THE, UH, BUDGET CONSTRAINTS, RIGHT? 
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? PARDON? I'M ASSUMING THAT WALL YOU PUT A HUNDRED BECAUSE OF OBVIOUSLY BUDGET CONSTRAINTS. 
          NO, NO. 
          THERE BUDGET CONSTRAINTS ARE REALLY NOT AN ISSUE. 
          OH. 
          UH, BECAUSE SO THAT MEANS YOU COULD, YOU COULD PUT MORE PAINTINGS THERE BECAUSE WE CAN TAKE FROM PHASE TWO TO OKAY. 
          TO PUT MORE INTO, UH, TO, UH, THIS PHASE ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S NOT AN, THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, BUT IF THAT WALL IS NOT LEVEL, IT'S IN THAT CASE REASON IS THE REASON, UH, WE PUT THE A HUNDRED THERE. 
          BUT I THINK, UM, WHAT, UM, SHE WAS REFERRING TO WAS MORE OF A MAYBE A HUNDRED YEARS AGO'S LANDSCAPE OF WEST COVINA AND THEN 100 ON TOP OF THAT. 
          I MEAN, ON TOP OF REVERSING IT. 
          I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, RIGHT? LIKE THE SAME, IN OTHER WORDS, DOING SOMETHING. 
          SO THIS WOULD BE, CAN I PASS THIS PICTURE OR I MEAN, YES. 
          FOLKS, HERE, LET ME DO THIS. 
          WE HAVE 1, 1, 2, 3. 
          FOR SOME REASON THIS IS THE SAME PICTURE BY THE WAY. 
          IT JUST CAME OUT THAT WAY. 
          WELL, IT WAS, MY SUGGESTION WAS IT GOES WITHIN THE NUMBERS, BUT NOW WE JUST HAD A, A SUGGESTION THAT IT GOES AND, AND WOULD THIS BE COLOR OR, OR BLACK AND WHITE LIKE THIS? IT WOULD BE, WE WOULD THAT THE ONLY PICTURE AVAILABLE IS IN BLACK AND WHITE. 
          CERTAINLY THE ARTIST WOULD MAKE IT IN COLOR. 
          GOT IT. 
          WOULD ADD COLOR. 
          OKAY. 
          WE HAVE THE SAME PICTURES. 
          I THINK WE, I THINK WE ALL HAVE THE SAME PICTURES. 
          YEAH. 
          SORRY, THE, SORRY ABOUT THAT PRINTING THERE. 
          I DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE. 
          I JUST PRINTED OUT REAL QUICK, QUICK AND GRABBED IT. 
          IT'S THE SAME PICTURE ON THE TOP AND THE BOTTOM. 
          SO, AND, AND THIS WOULD BE, THIS WOULD BE SORT OF, UH, I, I GUESS IN THE NUMBERS. 
          IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION. 
          PROPOSAL IS, OKAY. 
          IF YOU COULD GO TO THAT PICTURE RIGHT OVER THERE. 
          JUST KNOW IT IS AND THE NUMBERS OVER THERE. 
          YEAH, UNDERSTOOD. 
          THAT'S JUST THE THING IS THAT'S A MODERN PICTURE OF WEST CO RIGHT THERE. 
          BUT WHAT WE DO IS PUT THE, THE A HUNDRED YEAR OLD PICTURE THERE, GOT IT IN COLORED. 
          IT WOULD BE CUT WOULD THE COLOR WOULD BE ADDED BY THE ARTIST. 
          I MEAN, I WOULD THINK LIKE A, A SQUARE WITH A LINE IN THE MIDDLE, A HUNDRED YEARS. 
          AND THEN RIGHT HERE, A HUNDRED YEARS, IS IT 23? UH, 18, UM, 1923 AND THEN DOWN HERE 2023. 
          SO LIKE BE YOU UNDERSTAND LIKE DIVIDED BY THE A HUNDRED. 
          SO THERE WOULD BE THREE DIFFERENT NUMBERS. 
          THERE'D BE A HUNDRED, THERE'D BE NO, I WOULD, I WOULD JUST GET RID OF THE OTHER TWO AND PUT SOMETHING ELSE THERE. 
          YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED YEARS OF EXCELLENCE. 
          AND THEN ON THE OTHER ONE PUT, I DON'T KNOW, RESIDENTS, SOMETHING, SOMETHING FOR THE RESIDENTS. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, RIGHT. 
          I MEAN, WHAT DO YOU, WE WANTED TO CELEBRATE. 
          WE, WE WANTED TO CELEBRATE THE HUNDRED YEAR ANNIVERSARY RIGHT. 
          WITH THIS, BUT SO ARE THESE AND MORE, BUT IN AN ARTISTIC WAY MORE THAN LIKE A BILLBOARD. 
          ARE THEY PERMANENT THOUGH? THEY'RE GONNA BE THERE FOREVER, RIGHT? THIS IS PERMANENT, YES. 
          SO, YEAH, SO I'M SORRY. 
          I GUESS, CAN WE PAINT THIS PICTURES AND THEN PUT A HUNDRED ON TOP OF IT ON THAT BUILDING? UM, IT'S GOING TO BE, THAT'S GONNA BE INTERESTING HOW WE COULD DO THAT. 
          BECAUSE AS I'M SAYING, THE WALL IS STAGGERED. 
          THAT PARTICULAR WALL, THE SHORTER WALL WALL, AS YOU CAN SEE IS NOT LEVEL. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW. 
          THAT'S WHY THAT'S WHERE WE DECIDED TO PUT THE A HUNDRED LIKE THAT, WHICH REALLY TAKES CARE OF THAT. 
          NOW, IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT THAT AS IN THE BACKGROUND, IT MIGHT BE MORE DIFFICULT TO PULL OFF BECAUSE AS YOU COME AROUND, THE VIEW'S GONNA CHANGE. 
          OR WITH A HUNDRED EACH ONE IS AN INDIVIDUAL ASPECT INCH, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S, CAN YOU SEE HOW THAT THE WALL IS STAGGERED? CORRECT? YES. 
          YEAH. 
          YES. 
          SO THAT'S WHY, AND IT JUST WENT ALONG THREE, IT'S LIKE THREE LITTLE WALL, THREE DIFFERENT WALLS, AND A HUNDRED IS THREE, UH, NUMBERS. 
          SO IT JUST SEEMED TO FLOW NATURALLY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY, ANY, THANK YOU FOR NOW. 
          AND THEN IF, IF WE HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, I'LL, I'LL GLADLY CALL YOU RIGHT BACK UP. 
          , I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE, BE ABLE SURE, GO AHEAD. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE SOMETHING BACK TO MY CREATIVE TEAM. 
          SURE. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          SAYING WHAT, WHAT WE'RE GOING, WHAT THE INPUT WAS. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND WHAT I HAVE IS THAT, LET'S STARTING, IS THE HUNDRED WALL, IS THAT GOING TO BE OKAY IF WE INSERT? WELL, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S HAVE COMMISSION DISCUSSION ON THAT, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WE WILL SOLICIT YOUR INPUT AT THAT POINT IN TIME JUST TO SEE IF IT'S FEASIBLE. 
          LET'S SEE IF WE HAVE SOME CONSENSUS. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL FIND IT OUT AND THEN WE'LL TELL YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK THAT'S A, I THINK THAT'S A FAIR REPRESENTATION. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          STAY HERE. 
          SEE YOU. 
          YOU CAN HANG OUT THERE. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          OKAY. 
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ALL RIGHT. 
          SO, UH, I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR ANY DISCUSSION. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, I WAS JUST SAY THAT, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UH, UM, MAYBE THE, THE PICTURE OF THE CLOUDS, WHICH I, I'M ASSUMING REPRESENTS A, UM, OR TO ME REPRESENTS HEAVEN. 
          BUT, UH, UH, MAYBE INSTEAD OF THAT WE COULD PUT, UH, THAT LANDSCAPING BACK THERE OF THE, OF THE, THE LAST, THE LANDSCAPING THAT HE SHOWED US OVER HERE IN COLOR. 
          AND THEN, UH, FOR INSPIRATIONAL FIGURES, UM, TO MAKE, MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THERE'S NO POLITICAL ASPECT TO THIS WALL. 
          I WILL SAY TAKE OUT THE MAYOR BECAUSE WE ALWAYS WANT A HOSPITAL TO BE WELCOMING FOR, FOR ALL CULTURES AND ALL LIVES THEY SERVE. 
          AND, UM, AND OBVIOUSLY THE, THE, THE, THE NUN IS THERE, OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE OF THE HISTORY AND, AND LONG-TERM HOSPITAL. 
          IT HAS BEEN FOR, IT HAS BEEN A LONG-TERM CATHOLIC HOSPITAL FOR MANY YEARS, UH, BEFORE IT MEANT PURCHASED IT. 
          AND SO I, I THINK, UH, THE OTHER INDIVIDUALS IN THE PICTURE REPRESENT A PERFECT REFLECTION OF OUR CITY. 
          I'LL JUST SAY THAT IF WE COULD COME TO COME SOME SORT OF CONSENSUS INTO, UH, MAYBE THE FIRST TEACHER, UH, THAT WAS, UH, WHO SERVED THE CITY OF WEST COVINA OR SOMETHING ELSE THAT, UH, THIS BODY THINKS OF SOMETHING ELSE THAT COULD GO THERE AS, UM, INSPIRING AND HOPEFUL. 
          WHEN SOMEONE'S GONNA GO GET MEDICAL CARE, THEY CAN LOOK AT THAT WALL AND SAY, THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, THIS ALL INSPIRES ME. 
          AND THEN HOPEFULLY I COULD GET BETTER OR BECOME, WOW. 
          AGAIN, THAT'S JUST MY COMMENTS. 
          ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? IN TWO DAYS, WE'RE CELEBRATING ONE HER NEW YEAR ANNIVERSARY AND WE INVITED THE GRANDDAUGHTER OF MAXWELL, THE MAYOR. 
          MM-HMM. 
           GREAT-GRANDDAUGHTER, I THINK, BUT I FORGOT. 
          I THINK IT'S THE GREAT-GRANDDAUGHTERS, BUT, UM, AMOK IS IT. 
          GREAT. 
          . 
          SORRY. 
          SO WITH THE MAYOR THERE, THE FIRST WEST CORINA MAYOR, IT SEEMS REPRESENTATIONS OF WEST COVINA SINCE, YOU KNOW, POLITICAL OR NOT. 
          HE, THEY OR HE REPRESENTS FORMING A CITY FOR WEST CORRINA. 
          SO I GUESS I'M OKAY WITH THAT. 
          SO CAN YOU TELL ME SOME OF THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS THAT MAYOR DID FOR OUR CITY? CUZ I DON'T KNOW, SO MAYBE YOU COULD TELL ME WHAT, WHAT ACCOMPLISHMENTS DID HE DO TO GET ON THAT WALL? IT, IT'S NOT SO MUCH OF ACCOMPLISHMENTS, BUT ALSO ALSO BEING ABLE TO FORM A CITY AND BEING ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, GET THE PEOPLE TOGETHER. 
          A HUNDRED YEARS AGO, I MEAN, I'VE, I'VE HEARD WEST CAMINA USED TO BE A DUMP OF SEWER FOR COVINA. 
          BUT ANYWAY, THE HISTORY OF WEST CAMINA HAS BEEN LONG. 
          AND, AND I DON'T KNOW THE FULL STORY OF IT, BUT OBVIOUSLY SINCE HE WAS THE FIRST MAYOR, AND EVEN TO TODAY, WE'RE CELEBRATING IN TWO DAYS, WE'RE EVEN GO OUT OF OUR WAYS TO INVITED THE GREAT-GRANDDAUGHTERS TO BE A PART OF THE CELEBRATIONS. 
          SO I THINK THIS IS, UM, A GOOD THING TO WHERE WHERE WAS, UH, WHEN THE BKK LANDFILL SHUT DOWN? 19 70 19. 
          OH, WAS ALASKA CITY STAFF? THEY KNEW. 
          YEAH. 
          AND WHO WAS THE MAYOR AT THAT TIME? WAS HE INSTRUMENTAL IN, IN DISMANTLING THAT, THAT BKK LANDFILL? MAYBE HE SHOULD BE ON THERE. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHO THE MAYOR WAS, BUT, WELL, I WOULD SAY THERE'S A LOT OF MAYORS EVERY, LIKE, UH, THE MAYOR WHO SHUT IT DOWN. 
          YEAH, EXACTLY. 
          SO I WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE THAT OPEN TO THE COMMUNITY, ACTUALLY. 
          I MEAN, I'M NOT SAYING WHO SHOULD GO THERE. 
          THE MAYOR DOESN'T DESERVE TO BE ON THERE. 
          I'M JUST SAYING, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS AS A NON-POLITICAL WALL, WHICH MEANS A NON-ELECTED, OFFICIAL BEING PEOPLE BEING ON THERE, HAVING ELECTED OFFICIALS MAKES IT POLITICAL TO AN EXTENT. 
          SO I WILL, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A NON-POLITICAL WALL. 
          POLITICAL OR NOT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND THE HISTORIC SOCIETY HAS PER, I MEAN, THEY HAVE VERY VARIOUS VIEWS AND HOW THEY VIEW STUFF. 
          SO, UM, AND IN THE PAST THEY HAVE ENGAGED IN POLITICAL ACTIVITY, BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY. 
          SO I, I I'M JUST SAYING THAT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE INPUT FROM THE, OUR COMMUNITY TO SEE WHO, WHO THEY NOMINATE TO BE ON THAT WALL. 
          UM, I, I JUST WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING. 
          UM, THE LAST TIME THAT THE GENTLEMAN WAS HERE TALKING WITH US ABOUT THE MURALS AND ABOUT THE TWO LOCATIONS THAT THEY HAD, WE DID ASK HIM TO TOUCH BASES AND SPEAK WITH WEST COVINA HISTORICAL SOCIETY. 
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UM, HE DID MEET WITH THEM AND IT IS A GOOD THING TO HAVE A HISTORICAL SOCIETY FOR THE CITY IN ORDER TO CATALOG THE DIFFERENT, I GUESS, GLASS NEGATIVES THAT THEY MAY HAVE HAD OF THE COMMUNITY AND SO FORTH. 
          AND DOCUMENTATION. 
          UM, AGAIN, SINCE THE ARTIST WE'VE SELECTED IS A VERY TALENTED ARTIST, AND AT SOME POINT WE WANNA ALLOW THE ARTIST TO BE ABLE TO USE THE SPACE, AS THE GENTLEMAN IS EXPLAINING, THE ONE SECTION OF THE BUILDING IS FLAT. 
          AND THAT'S WHY THEY WANTED TO PAY CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF ATTENTION TO THAT AREA. 
          CUZ IT'S A LOT OF AREA TO MAKE A STATEMENT ABOUT THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND HE IS CORRECT, RATHER THAN FOCUSING ON HOW THE CITY MAY HAVE LOOKED A HUNDRED YEARS AGO, IT'S A HOSPITAL, WHAT'S THEIR MAIN CARE TO TAKE CARE OF PEOPLE. 
          AND WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO DO WAS TO SPAN DIFFERENT PEOPLE WITH DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS COMING TO THIS HOSPITAL AND BEING CARED FOR. 
          AND I THINK THE ARTIST WAS WANTING TO AGAIN, TRY TO INCORPORATE PEOPLE WHO MAY HAVE HAD CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE CITY. 
          WHEN IT COMES TO THE OTHER SECTION OF THE BUILDING, WHAT HE'S EXPLAINING IS THE WAY THAT IT'S LAID OUT, IT HAS DIFFERENT LEVELS. 
          AND SO THAT BEING THE CASE, THAT'S WHY THEY FOCUSED ON 100 BECAUSE SINCE IT'S DIFFERENT AREAS, PHYSICALLY, IT WAS EASIER FOR THEM TO TAKE EACH NUMBER AND THEN TRY TO INCORPORATE, UM, SOME TYPE OF LANDSCAPING IN THE CASE WHICH THEY WERE SPEAKING OF THE ORANGE TREES OR WALNUT TREES, UM, IN OTHER AREAS SHOWING THE LANDSCAPING OF THE COMMUNITY, EITHER BACK A HUNDRED YEARS AGO OR CURRENTLY. 
          SO I HAVE TO ADMIT, I'M NOT AN ARTIST, BUT THE ARTISTS THAT THE CITY HAS RETAINED, WERE ALSO RELYING ON HIS, ON THEIR EXPERTISE TO SUGGEST WHAT MAY WORK. 
          BECAUSE AGAIN, THAT IS A, GONNA BE A VERY LARGE AREA AND WE DO WANT IT TO GIVE A UNIQUE STATEMENT WHERE WHENEVER PEOPLE COME THERE TO THE VISIT, THEY KNOW THAT IT'S THE CITY OF WEST COVINA AND THAT WE OFFER MANY THINGS. 
          SO I'LL, I'LL, UH, ADD MY 2 CENTS HERE. 
          UM, SO AS IT AS IT STANDS WITH, WITH REGARD TO THE, THE MURAL, THE REPRESENTATION OF PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY, I, I THINK THAT THE ARTIST DOES A, A FINE JOB OF, OF ADDRESSING THAT. 
          I, I THINK MY BIGGEST HANGUP ON THIS WHOLE THING IS JUST GOING TO BE THE BACKGROUND. 
          I THINK THE BACKGROUND IS, IS, IS IS UNREPRESENTED OF THE CITY. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SKY IS, YOU KNOW, NOT NECESSARILY UNIQUE HERE. 
          SO I, I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, ADD SOMETHING THAT IS, THAT IS SCENIC TO, TO OUR COMMUNITY, WHETHER IT BE, UH, WHETHER IT BE A BUILDING, WHETHER IT BE, UM, WHETHER IT BE HEARST, HURST RANCH, WHETHER IT BE, YOU KNOW, THE HILLS IN THE BACKGROUND, THE, UH, THE, THE VIEW OF THE MOUNTAINS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          UH, THE, THE PALM TREES ON LAR ELLEN. 
          ANYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES I, I, I THINK WOULD, I THINK WOULD BE POTENTIALLY APPROPRIATE HERE. 
          AND I DON'T WANNA MICROMANAGE THE ARTIST. 
          THAT'S THE LAST THING I, I WOULD LIKE TO DO. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING, HOWEVER THAT IS MORE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE CITY WITH REGARD TO THE 100. 
          I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO. 
          I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH IT. 
          I THINK THE, I, I THINK THE MAIN THING THERE IS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH THE, WITH THE ORANGES, BUT I COULD, I I CAN ALSO SEE, UM, HOW, HOW PLACING THE PHOTOGRAPH THAT YOU PROVIDED TO US IN THERE WOULD, WOULD LOOK JUST AS WELL. 
          SO I, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THAT AS WELL. 
          I THINK THAT THAT'D BE A GREAT IDEA. 
          AND WHEN PEOPLE ACTUALLY, WHEN THEY'RE SICK AND THEY GO TO THE HOSPITAL AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA NOTICE THAT CUZ THEY'RE SICK, BUT IT WILL LOOK, WE WILL SEE IT AND WE'LL, WE'LL RECOGNIZE IT, BUT ONE THING THEY MIGHT SEE IS IF IT HAS SOMETHING ENCOURAGING, MAYBE HOPE BRINGS HEALING WHEN YOU BELIEVE MM-HMM. 
          , SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, THEN THEY'LL SEE IT AS THEY'RE WALKING IN AND MAYBE, I KNOW WE CAN'T PUT ANYTHING RELIGIOUS, WE DON'T WANT IT'S REPRESENTED IN, IN YOU. 
          HOW ABOUT A FIREFIGHTER OR A POLICE OFFICER? PUBLIC SERVICE? WE DON'T BELIEVE IN THAT HERE. 
          NO. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S A HOT, IT IS. 
          IT'S A HOT, OH, IT'S A HOSPITALS. 
          I THINK IT'S FINE. 
          I MEAN, WHERE I WOULD THINK SOMETHING LIKE THAT, LIKE HOPE BRINGS HEALING WHEN, WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE PEOPLE ON THERE, THEN I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A TEACHER ON THERE. 
          UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MAYBE A PARAMEDIC ON THERE. 
          PLEASE KEEP UP. 
          KEEP IN MIND IT'S NOT ONLY THE ARTIST IS, UH, I REPRESENT A COMPANY AND WE HAD, UH, A CREATIVE TEAM WORK WITH THE ARTIST AND WE 
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HAVE DONE SEVERAL PUBLIC, UH, ART PROJECTS. 
          SO IT'S NOT, IT'S THE COMBINATION OF THE ARTIST AND THE CREATIVE TEAM THAT, THAT PUT THIS TOGETHER AESTHETICALLY. 
          AND AS FAR AS THE WAY IT LAYS OUT, THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THERE REALLY IS AESTHETICALLY WORKS, WORKS NICELY. 
          UM, AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, THE HISTORIC SOCIETY HAS ENGAGED AND MANY OF THEIR DONORS DONATE TO INDEPENDENT PACKS THAT, UH, ARE VERY POLITICALLY ENGAGED IN ELECTIONS TO, UH, SOME OF THEM SPREAD MISINFORMATION TO THE VOTERS. 
          SO, UH, SOME OF THEIR LARGEST DONORS AND FOUNDERS ARE, ARE BIG DONORS IN THE POLITICAL ARENA. 
          SO THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING, AND THAT'S WHY I WAS RECOMMENDED, NOT SAYING TO HAVE YOUR INDEPENDENT, UH, YOU COULD GET INPUT FROM EVERYONE, BUT AT END OF THE DAY, UH, I WOULD, I WOULDN'T, I DON'T WANT TO SEE A POLITICAL WALL, BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT'S DIFFERENT STORY. 
          BUT, SO I HAVE, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, UM, WITH, WITH REGARD TO WHAT I HAD JUST PROPOSED WITH REGARD TO, UM, CHANGING THE BACKGROUND OUT WITH REGARD TO THE, THE CLOUD SKY SCENERY TO, TO SOMETHING THAT'S MORE, UM, WEST COVINA CENTRIC, UM, AS WELL AS, UH, POTENTIALLY ADDING, UH, THIS INTO THE BACKGROUND FOR THE, FOR THE 100 AS PROPOSED. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU THINK IS FEASIBLE? YES. 
          UM, I THINK SO. 
          I UNDERSTAND REPLACE THE CLOUDS WITH SOMETHING THAT IS MORE WEST COVINA. 
          CORRECT. 
          THEN ONCE WE DO THAT, IF WE USE IN THE BACKGROUND THE HEARST RANCH IN THE BACKGROUND, I LIKE THE IDEA THEN OF THE HUNDRED SHOWING THE ORANGES, LIKE YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE MM-HMM. 
          , BECAUSE THEN HEARST RANCH WILL BE REPRESENTED IN THE MURAL, AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE THE RECOGNIZABLE ORANGES IN THE 100. 
          THAT SOUNDS GOOD TO ME. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UH, THAT WE RECOMMEND THAT THE ARTISTS GO BACK AND, UH, AND, AND CHANGE OUT THE BACKGROUND OF THE PRIMARY MURAL WITH, WITH ALL OF THE REPRESENTATIVES, UM, OF, OF THE CITY ON THERE, UM, TO SOMETHING THAT IS, THAT IS MORE SCENIC TO WEST COVINA, WHETHER THAT BE BUILDINGS, UH, SCENERY, WHAT HAVE YOU. 
          I I, I THINK WE CAN LEAVE THAT UP TO THE ARTIST. 
          AND THEN WITH REGARD TO THE 100, I THINK I, I, I THINK WE, WE AGREED THAT THIS WAS, THAT WE WOULD POTENTIALLY INCLUDE THIS IN THE BACKGROUND OR POTENTIALLY THE, THE 100 YEAR ANNIVERSARY LOGO STYLE. 
          WELL, AS I WAS SAYING, IF WE USE THE BACKGROUND THAT AS THE BACKGROUND INSTEAD OF THE CLOUDS OKAY, THEN WE WOULD NOT PUT IT IN THE 100. 
          OKAY. 
          THE 100, WE WOULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THE ORANGES HUNDRED THERE RIGHT NOW, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT WOULD CORRESPOND WITH THAT YOUR HUNDRED, UH, ANNIVERSARY LOGO. 
          SO I I I'M IN FAVOR OF THE 100 YEAR ANNIVERSARY. 
          AS, AS IS THAT WAY OR WITH THE, WITH THE, UH, THE, THE BACKGROUND THAT, THAT YOU WERE SHOWING OR THE BACKGROUNDS THAT YOU HAD PROVIDED PREVIOUSLY? I ANY OF THOSE WORKS? I THINK JUST FUNDAMENTALLY THE MAIN MURAL IS, IS WHERE I TAKE EXCEPTION, SO TO SPEAK, . 
          AND SO I WOULD, I WOULD HAVE THE, THE, I WOULD REQUEST THAT THE ARTIST GO BACK AND, AND, UH, MAKE IT MORE WEST COVINA CENTRIC IN THAT CHOICE WILL BE A OR B. 
          YES. 
          FIRST RANCH OR THE PALM TREES. 
          UH, IS IS THERE THAT ARE LIKE, IS THERE, IS THERE A MEANS BY WHICH YOU COULD PRESENT THOSE BOTH TO US AND THEN WE CAN CHOOSE? I WILL SEE. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I'LL SEE. 
          OKAY, THEN I WILL GO AHEAD AND AMEND MY MOTION TO  TO, TO ADOPT THAT, THAT RECOMMENDATION AS, AS, UH, MR. KOHLER SPELLED OUT. 
          AND THEN, UM, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          UH, I'LL SAY ROLL. 
          ROLL CALL. 
          UH, JOANNE. 
          COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS. AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER, HANG. 
          COMMISSIONER BECERRA. 
          AYE. 
          VICE CHAIR GUTIERREZ, I'LL JUST MAKE A COMMENT BEFORE I VOTE AND THE COMMENT IS, UH, I CANNOT VOTE ON SOMETHING IF I DON'T KNOW THE, THE VOTING RECORD OF THAT PERSON. 
          SO IF MY COLLEAGUES CHOOSE TO BE BLIND ABOUT IT AND NOT CARE ABOUT PERSONS VOTING RECORD AND WHAT THEY VOTED FOR AS MAYOR WHEN HE WAS MAYOR, THEN I WILL, UH, SAY THAT THE, THAT THE COMMUNITY SHOULD HAVE INPUT ON WHO SHOULD GO ON THAT WALL. 
          BUT, SO I WILL ABSTAIN FROM VOTING CHAIR LEWIS. 
          AYE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          4 0 1. 
          MOVING 
          [2. CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NO. 22-06 CATEGORICAL EXEMPTION]
ON TO, UH, ITEM NUMBER TWO, WE'RE GONNA GO BACK ON THE, ON THE AGENDA, UH, TO CONDITIONAL USE, PERMIT NUMBER 22 DASH ZERO SIX. 
          YES. 
          [00:40:01]
SORRY, JUST ONE THING. 
          SO RIGHT, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS THE BACKGROUND AND THE BACKGROUND WILL LOOK BACK, CORRECT. 
          TWO CHOICES FOR THE BACKGROUND? YES. 
          GOT IT. 
          I THINK, I THINK YOU'RE GETTING HEADS, HEADS THAT ARE NODDING IN AGREEMENT ON THAT, SO YES. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT, BACK TO BACK TO ITEM NUMBER TWO, UM, PUBLIC HEARING. 
          JOANNE, WHO WILL READ THE STAFF REPORT PLANNING AID, MORTON BURK IS GONNA BE PRESENTING THE STAFF REPORT. 
          OKAY. 
          GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. 
          THIS IS ITEM NUMBER TWO, CONDITIONER HUGHES. 
          PERMIT NUMBER 22 DASH OH SIX, LOCATED AT ONE 50 NORTH GRAND AVENUE, SUITE 1 32, ALSO KNOWN AS KUMON. 
          SO THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UM, NUMBER 22 DASH OH SIX IS TO ALLOW THE USE OF A TUTORING CENTER. 
          THE UNIT SPACE IS 1,760 SQUARE FEET. 
          IT'S ZONED UNDER NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL AND IT'S LOCATED AT THE GRAND CREEK SHOPPING CENTER. 
          UM, AND IT'S SURROUNDED BY SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL AND MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. 
          HERE IS THE EXISTING SITE, HERE IS THE SITE PLAN. 
          UM, AND RED IS THE SUBJECT SITE. 
          HERE'S THE FLOOR, THE FLOOR PLAN, RED ARROW SHOWING THE ENTRANCE HIGHLIGHTED IN RED IS THE STUDY AREA, WHICH ALSO HAS SEATING FOR PARENTS AND PER AND PURPLE IS THE RESTROOM. 
          SO THIS, UH, TUTORING CENTER, UM, INCLUDES ACTIVITIES SUCH AS MATH, READING, UH, FOR STUDENTS AGES THREE, UH, TO HIGH SCHOOL WITH, UM, EACH SESSION LASTING ABOUT 30 MINUTES. 
          IT CONSISTS OF ONE FULL-TIME STAFF AND SIX FULL-TIME, UM, PART-TIME, UH, EMPLOYEES. 
          UM, AVERAGE OF 20 STUDENTS WITH MAXIMUM OF 35 STUDENTS PER CLASSROOM. 
          THE BUSINESS HOURS ARE MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY FROM 11:00 AM TO 7:00 PM PLANNING. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS ADOPTING RESOLUTION NUMBER 23 6 1 19, APPROVING CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 2206. 
          UH, I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. 
          AND SO IS THE APPLICANT. 
          DOES ANYONE ON THE COMMISSION HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF? AT THIS JUNCTURE? SEEING NONE, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF SPEAKER CARDS, UM, BUT FIRST WE WILL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT. 
          PLEASE COME FORWARD. 
          HI. 
          HI. 
          DO WE, DO WE HAVE A SPEAKER CARD FROM YOU? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          CAN YOU PLEASE JUST STATE YOUR NAME? YEAH, MY NAME IS ESHA DESAI. 
          OKAY, WELCOME. 
          OKAY. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADDRESS WITH THE COMMISSION? NO, NOTHING TO ADD TO WHAT WAS ALREADY, UM, EXPLAINED. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD, DID YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO READ THE CONDITIONS? UM, THE CON THE REPORT? YES. 
          YEAH, I HAD A CHANCE TO GO OVER, UH, THE CONDITIONS. 
          YEAH. 
          SPECIFICALLY WITH THE ONE WHERE STAFF WAS INDICATING THAT THEY WERE GONNA MONITOR THE PARKING. 
          YES. 
          AND IT, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO BE SURE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO READ THE CONDITIONS. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND, UM, JUST TO ALSO FURTHER EXPLAIN, I'M CURRENTLY OPERATING IN THAT PLAZA CURRENTLY MM-HMM. 
           IN ANOTHER SPACE. 
          AND, UM, THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS SIMPLY TO RELOCATE WHERE I'M CURRENTLY LOCATED TO THE CORNER SPACE. 
          SO, UM, IN TERMS OF ANY PARKING PATTERNS, UM, THAT WOULD CONTINUE TO, UM, BE THE SAME AS IT IS RIGHT NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          DID YOU GO THROUGH THE C U P PROCESS FOR, FOR THAT AS WELL? YES. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THAT WAS IN 2018, 2019. 
          WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE SIZE DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN YOUR CURRENT UNIT COMPARED TO THIS ONE? UM, THIS ONE IS, UM, A LITTLE BIT LARGER AND ALSO THE, UM, UM, THE SHAPE OF THE SPACE, UM, IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT AND MORE CONDUCIVE TO, UM, UM, CLASSROOM SETTING. 
          UM, AND ALSO OVER, SINCE I STARTED, WE ARE SEEING AN INCREASE IN INTEREST IN ENROLLMENTS AS WELL WITHIN THE LOCAL COMMUNITY FOR MATH AND READING SUPPORT. 
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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO. 
          NO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          DO YOU HAVE TWO SPEAKER CARDS? UM, SO WE'LL FIRST HEAR TESTIMONY FROM THOSE IN FAVOR. 
          UH, CAN I HAVE CALVIN WONG COME FORWARD AND THEN ON DECK WILL BE, UH, MANHAN. 
          SO, AND I HOPE I MISPRONOUNCE THAT CHAIR. 
          LEWIS, SORRY TO INTERRUPT THOSE. 
          THAT'S FOR THE FOLLOWING ITEM. 
          OH, THAT'S FOR THE FOLLOWING. 
          OKAY. 
          YES, I, FOR WHATEVER REASON IT'S REFERENCING THE SAME, UH, IT'S RE IT'S REFERENCING THE, UH, C U P, UH, NUMBER FOR THIS ITEM IN, IN ANY CASE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          DOES ANYONE ELSE, UH, WISH TO, UH, PROVIDE TESTIMONY IN FAVOR OF THIS ITEM? ANYONE OPPOSED? NEUTRAL. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, I'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND OPEN IT FOR COMMISSION DISCUSSION. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? NO, I HAD, I DIDN'T HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ANYONE FOR A MOTION? NO. 
          CONGRATULATIONS ON DOING WELL. 
          YOU NEED A LARGER SPACE. 
          . 
          A MOTION TO APPROVE IT. 
          OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HANGANG. 
          SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS. JOANNE, ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS. AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER HANG. 
          AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER BERA. 
          AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER GUTIERREZ SAYS, STEP AWAY. 
          UM, CHAIR LEWIS. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          FOUR ZERO. 
          [3. CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NO. 22-08 CATEGORICAL EXEMPTION]
ALL RIGHT. 
          MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR, ADMINISTRATIVE USE PERMIT NUMBER 22, OR EXCUSE ME, 22 DASH ZERO EIGHT. 
          UM, JOANNE, WHO WILL READ THE STAFF REPORT, ASSOCIATE PLANNER MIRIAM MACHADO WILL PRESENT THE STAFF REPORT. 
          I'M SORRY, SORRY. 
          UM, ASSISTANT PLANNER JERRY RIVERA WILL READ THE STAFF REPORT. 
          I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. 
          HELLO? GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. 
          UH, THIS IS ITEM NUMBER THREE. 
          THIS IS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 22 DASH EIGHT FOR CODE NINJAS, UH, TUTORING CENTER. 
          TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, THE SUBJECT SITE IS RED RECTANGLE. 
          UH, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW THE USE OF A TUTORING CENTER. 
          THE LOCATION IS ZONED AS NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL. 
          THE LOCATION IS ON THE CORNER OF SOUTH ASUZA AVENUE AND EAST AROMA DRIVE, WHICH IS IN THE SOUTH HILLS SHOPPING CENTER. 
          SURROUNDING ZONING USES ARE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. 
          AND THE OVERALL LOT SIZE IS A LITTLE OVER NINE ACRES. 
          MOVING FORWARD. 
          THIS IS THE EXISTING SITE, THE TUTORING CENTER WILL BE ON THE FIRST FLOOR MOVING FORWARD. 
          THIS IS THEIR SITE PLAN. 
          THE BUSINESS LOCATION IS INDICATED BY THE YELLOW RECTANGLE MOVING ONTO THE PROPOSED FLOOR PLAN. 
          SO, UM, THE RED ARROW IS THE FRONT DOOR. 
          THE YELLOW INDICATES THE STAFF RESTING AREA. 
          THE GREEN INDICATES THE CLASSROOM BLUE INDICATES BATHROOM. 
          THE RED INDICATES THE STORAGE ROOM. 
          BLUE INDICATES THE RESTROOM, OH, SORRY,  ORANGE IND, OH, SORRY, ORANGE INDICATES THE RECEPTION AREA AND TUTORING CENTER THAT, UM, IT WILL INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING. 
          WELL, SORRY, THIS IS THE BUSINESS OPERATIONS PLAN, UH, TUTORING CENTER THAT WILL INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING ACTIVITIES. 
          UM, CHILDREN WILL LEARN TO CODE AND GAIN SKILLS IN CODING, ROBOTICS, AND PROBLEM SOLVING. 
          UH, AS FOR STAFF, THERE ARE TWO TO THREE SENSEI PER ONE HOUR SESSION AND ONE MANAGER AND A SENSEI IS THE TEACHER. 
          AS FOR CLIENTS, THERE ARE A MAXIMUM OF 15 STUDENTS IN THE CLASSROOM PER HOUR. 
          AND PROGRAMS ARE FOR KIDS AGES FIVE TO 14. 
          BUSINESS HOURS ARE MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY FROM 1:30 PM TO 6:00 PM AND SATURDAY FROM 10:30 AM TO 6:00 PM PLAYING STAFF RECOMMENDS ADOPTING RESOLUTION NUMBER 23 DASH 61 20 APPROVING CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 22 DASH ZERO EIGHT. 
          THIS CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION. 
          I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS JUNCTURE? NOT AT THIS TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          SEEING NONE, I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND LET'S HEAR TESTIMONY FROM THE APPLICANT. 
          I BELIEVE THAT IS MANHAN. 
          SO, AND I HOPE I DIDN'T MISPRONOUNCE YOUR NAME. 
          PLEASE COME FORWARD EVENING. 
          UM, SO MY NAME IS CALVIN. 
          THIS IS, UH, HE ALSO GOES BY ANDREW. 
          SO, AND I ALSO HAVE MY BUSINESS PARTNER, WEIMAN WOO. 
          AND, UH, JASON CHOW. 
          SO WE'RE TRYING TO START A, UH, 
          [00:50:01]
CO NINJA IN, UH, WEST COVINA. 
          UM, WE ACTUALLY LOOKED AT A LOT OF DIFFERENT FRANCHISE, BUT UM, CO NINJA IS ONE OF THE FASTEST GROWING, UH, FRANCHISE WHEN IT COMES TO CODING. 
          AND, UH, THEY HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT LOCATIONS IN UNITED STATES, UH, UK AND CANADA. 
          AND ONE OF THE MAIN REASON WHY, UH, WE WANT TO, UM, TEACH CODING IS THAT, UM, I THINK CODING BENEFITS A LOT, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO PROBLEM SOLVING LOGIC AND CRITICAL THINKING. 
          IN FACT, MY KIDS ARE ACTUALLY IN THAT PROGRAM RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE PRIMARY REASON WHY I WANNA START MY OWN. 
          I'M AN ENGINEERING MYSELF TOO, AND I KNOW THE BENEFIT OF CODING AND CULT NINJA ACTUALLY PROVIDES A LOT OF VERY STRUCTURE AND UM, UM, CODING MATERIAL. 
          SO IT'S VERY EASY FOR KIDS, EVEN AS YOUNG AS, YOU KNOW, FIVE OR SIX TO REALLY LEARN CODING WITHOUT TRULY KNOWING THAT THEY'RE LEARNING CODING. 
          IT'S REALLY AMAZING WHAT THEY DO. 
          SO, UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THIS OPPORTUNITY WILL BE, UM, YOU KNOW, VERY BENEFICIAL TO THE KIDS IN THE AREA AND ALSO VERY BENEFICIAL TO ESCO. 
          UM, THEY HAVE A VERY STANDARDIZED FRAMEWORK IN TERMS OF SELECTING THE MATERIALS, UM, THE LAPTOPS, THE EQUIPMENT, EVERYTHING IS TO THE HIGHEST SAFETY STANDARDS. 
          UM, EVERYTHING IS PUFF FIRE APPROVED. 
          UM, IT'S JUST, IT'S A REALLY WELL THOUGHT UP PROGRAM AND I HOPE I CAN GET APPROVAL FROM, UM, YOU KNOW, EACH OF YOU GUYS AND, AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE AFTERNOON? UM, YES, I HAD A QUESTION. 
          UM, WILLIAMS, THE PLANS THAT WERE IN MY PACKET ACTUALLY DID NOT SHOW THE LABELING OF THE DIFFERENT ROOMS, SO I'M GLAD THAT STAFF WAS ABLE TO CALL THAT OUT. 
          BUT STILL, I, I WANTED TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND HOW IS YOUR PHYSICAL SETUP GOING TO BE? AH, SURE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UM, IF WE CAN GO BACK TO THAT. 
          YEAH, YOU GOT THE RECEPTION AREA, YOU GO IN MM-HMM. 
          , AND THEY'RE BASICALLY DESK AND LAPTOPS AND THE KIDS WOULD GO IN, THEY WOULD SELECT A STATION, AND THE SENSEI, UH, THE TEACHERS WOULD, UM, BASICALLY BE SUPPORTING EACH OF THE INDIVIDUAL, UH, THROUGHOUT THAT AREA. 
          AND SO THE NUMBER OF TABLES OR DESKS, DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY YOU'LL HAVE FOR THE GIVEN AREA? ANSWER THAT, YEAH. 
          UM, WE'LL, WE'LL ACTUALLY IN THE, IN THE GREEN AREA MM-HMM. 
          , SO WE'LL, WE'LL, UH, WE'LL HAVE, UH, AT LEAST UH, 20 TO 30 TABLES SO THAT, UM, THE STUDENTS HAVE ENOUGH ROOMS CUZ UH, THE TABLES ARE, ARE MERELY FUNCTIONAL. 
          LIKE WE HAVE, WE CAN HAVE LIKE LITTLE, UH, DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES LIKE, LIKE, UH, FOR CHRISTMAS PARTY ROBOTICS. 
          UM, BUT EACH SECTION WE ARE ESTIMATING, UH, ABOUT LIKE 15 TO 20 STUDENTS MM-HMM. 
          , LIKE PER HOUR. 
          AND, UM, OUR, OUR GOAL IS TO GET 50 ENROLLS IN THE, IN THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE, OF THE BUSINESS, UH, GRAND OPENING. 
          UM, SO, UM, THE CLASS RATIO WILL BE, WILL BE, UM, ONE TO FIVE. 
          SO EACH SENSEI, LIKE, UH, THE TEACHERS, THE INSTRUCTORS MM-HMM. 
           WILL, UH, HANDLE FIVE STUDENTS. 
          UM, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE, UM, OCCUPANCY LIMITS ARE GONNA BE FOR THE BUILDING THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OR, UM, I, I CHECKED WITH THE, WITH THE DEPARTMENT, UH, CODING AND I'M AN ARCHITECT. 
          UM, IT CAN GO UP TO 50. 
          OH, WOULD THAT BE 50 MAXIMUM? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER, HANG, I JUST HAVE OUR QUESTIONS REGARDING THE TARGET AGE GROUP THAT YOU GUYS ARE PLANNING TO TEACH. 
          THE COM IT'S, IT'S COMPUTER LANGUAGE. 
          AND WHAT TYPE OF LANGUAGE ARE YOU? YEAH, SO, UM, IT, IT DEPENDS ON THE AGE. 
          UM, YOU CAN START WITH UH, JAVA AND THEN, UH, PROBABLY SOMETHING LIKE MINECRAFT, UH, PROGRAMMING OR ROBLOX. 
          AND THEN AFTER THAT IT GETS A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED AND IT'S UH, PYTHON. 
          UM, AND THERE ARE ALSO OTHER, UM, SUB-PROGRAMS THAT YOU CAN TAKE. 
          YOU CAN DO UH, YOU KNOW, 3D PRINTING PROGRAM, G CODES, YOU KNOW, STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          I WANNA ADD TO THAT, UM, FOR, UH, FIVE, UH, IN THE AGE OF FIVE TO SEVEN, WE'RE STARTING WITH SCRATCH. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          MY KIDS ARE A LITTLE BIT OLDER THAN THAT, SO I FORGOT ABOUT THAT. 
          , DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER CENTERS THAT HAVE THOSE PROGRAMS? UM, US PERSONALLY, UH, NO WE DON'T. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          THIS BE THE FIRST AROUND THIS AREA, BUT THIS, YEAH, I BELIEVE SO. 
          YEAH. 
          MY KIDS ARE CURRENTLY GOING TO THE ONE IN, UM, CHINO HILLS. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THERE ISN'T ANY OTHER CENTER LIKE THAT IN THIS AREA, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? NO. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S BENEFICIAL CUZ 
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CODING IS, IS GOING TO BE THE FUTURE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AT LEAST WHEN IT COMES TO ENGINEERING. 
          . 
          RIGHT. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I GUESS I'LL ASK THE SAME QUESTION, UM, AS THE LAST APPLICANT, UM, DID YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO READ THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL? YES. 
          AND YOU ALSO ARE AWARE THAT STAFF HAS THE SAME STANDARD CONDITION TALKING ABOUT THAT THEY WOULD MONITOR THE PARKING? YES. 
          AND SO YOU GUYS ARE, YOU UNDERSTAND AND YOU AGREE TO THOSE CONDITIONS MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO HEAR TESTIMONY FROM THOSE IN FAVOR. 
          ANYONE? ALL RIGHT. 
          SEEING NONE, WE'LL HEAR NOW FROM THOSE WHO ARE OPPOSED, SEEING NONE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER? OKAY, SEEING NONE, I'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE WILL OPEN DISCUSSION BY THE COMMISSION. 
          COMMISSIONER, HANK? OH, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD, BUT, UM, I FIND THAT IT'S QUITE INTERESTING. 
          THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST, I THINK. 
          AND WHAT'S CORINA FOR? FOR CODING? SO WE GET A LOT OF TUTORING, UM, CENTER RECENTLY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , BUT VERY INTERESTING AND WELCOME. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. 
          I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. 
          I'LL MOTION SECOND. 
          MOTION. 
          I'LL SECOND YOUR MOTION TO APPROVE OR? YES. 
          MOTION TO APPROVE. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL SECOND THAT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BECERRA. 
          SECOND BY COMMISSIONER. 
          HANG, JOIN. 
          ROLL CALL COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS. UM, AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER HANG. 
          AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER BERA. 
          AYE. 
          VICE CHAIR GUTIERREZ AYE. 
          CHAIR LEWIS. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO AND THIS ACTION IS FINAL AND UNLESS APPEAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL WITHIN 10 DAYS, I HAVE ONE COMMENT. 
          LEMME CHECK ON THIS ITEM. 
          ON A, ON A PRIOR ITEM OFFENSE, I JUST WANTED TO, UH, AMEND MY VOTE FROM THE LAST, UH, FROM THE NON-HEARING ITEM TO A YES, I DID MY RESEARCH AND I FOUND OUT THAT THE FORMER FIRST MAYOR OF THE CITY OF WEST CANADA WAS ACTUALLY ONE, ALSO ONE OF THE FOUNDERS OF OUR LOCAL SCHOOL, FIRST SCHOOLS IN OUR CITY AND ONE OF OUR FOUNDERS OF THE FIRST LOCAL CHURCH IN OUR CITY. 
          SO THEREFORE, I DID MY HOMEWORK AND I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND MY VOTE TO A YES. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          MOVING ON TO 
          [4. ADMINISTRATIVE USE PERMIT NO. 22-14 SUBCOMMITTEE DESIGN REVIEW NO. 22-124 CATEGORICAL EXEMPTION]
ADMINISTRATIVE USE PERMIT NUMBER 22 DASH 14. 
          AND I JUST WANT TO DOUBLE CHECK AND MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS RIGHT IN MY SCRIPT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT, GO AHEAD AND, UH, GO TO JOANNE, WHO WILL PRESENT THE STAFF REPORT ON THIS PLANNING ASSOCIATE MIRIAM MACHADO WILL PRESENT THE STAFF REPORT. 
          OOPS. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          THIS IS ITEM NUMBER FOUR FOR ADMINISTRATIVE USE PERMIT 2214 AND SUBCOMMITTEE DESIGN REVIEW, 22 1 24. 
          THE SUBJECT SITE IS LOCATED, UH, ON 3 45 SOUTH GRAND AVENUE. 
          THE PROPERTY IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY AND IT'S LOCATED IN AREA DISTRICT THREE. 
          THE LOT SIZE IS 22,196 SQUARE FEET, AND THE SURROUNDING USES ARE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOMES. 
          THERE ARE THREE ENTITLEMENTS BEING REQUESTED. 
          THE FIRST IS ADMINISTRATIVE USE PERMIT NUMBER 22 DASH 14 BECAUSE THE PROPOSED RESIDENCE WILL BE TWO STORIES. 
          THE SECOND IS SUBCOMMITTEE DESIGN REVIEW NUMBER 22 1 24, BECAUSE THE PROPOSED RESIDENCE WILL HAVE A SECOND STORY DECKER BALCONY. 
          AND THE THIRD IS SECOND UNIT REVIEW NUMBER 22 1 29. 
          UH, BECAUSE THE PROPOSAL ALSO INCLUDES A PROPOSED ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT. 
          HOWEVER, THIS ENTITLEMENT IS NOT WITHIN THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S PURVIEW FOR THE SITE PLAN. 
          THE DRIVEWAY, IT COMES OFF OF SOUTH GRAND AVENUE. 
          UM, THE MAIN RESIDENCE IS SHOWN HERE IN BLUE. 
          THE RESIDENTS WOULD HAVE A 50 FOOT FRONT SETBACK, A 37 FOOT REAR SETBACK, 30 FOOT RIGHT SIDE SETBACK, AND A 16 FOOT EIGHT INCH SETBACK. 
          IN ORANGE IS THE LOCATION OF TWO PROPOSED OPEN PATIOS. 
          AND IN GREEN IS THE PROPOSED ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT FOR THE FLOOR PLAN. 
          SHOWN HERE IS THE FIRST FLOOR, THE FLOOR'S FLOOR WOULD HAVE THE ENTRANCE FACING THE SOUTH ELEVATION, AND PURPLE IS THE ATTACHED TWO CAR GARAGE. 
          RED IS A LIBRARY, GREEN IS THE KITCHEN, ORANGE IS A GREAT ROOM OR LIVING ROOM. 
          BLUE IS ONE OF THE TOTAL BEDROOMS, AND IN YELLOW IS TWO BATHROOMS ONTO THE SECOND FLOOR. 
          THERE WILL BE THREE MORE BEDROOMS TOTALING IN FOUR 
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AND TWO BATHROOMS. TOOLING IN THREE ON THE SECOND FLOOR WOULD ALSO BE THE ACCESS TO THE PROPOSED DECK SHOWN HERE IN PINK. 
          HERE WE HAVE THE FRONT AND REAR ELEVATIONS OF THE PROPOSED RESIDENCE. 
          THE HIGHEST POINT OF THE ELEVATION OR FOR THE NEW STRUCTURE WOULD BE MET AT 21 FEET IN HEIGHT. 
          THIS IS THE LEFT AND RIGHT OR WEST AND EAST ELEVATIONS OF THE PROPOSED RESIDENCE. 
          AND HERE WE HAVE A RENDERING OF THE PROPOSED HOME, UM, WHICH SHOWS THE MODERN ARCHITECTURE DESIGN PROPOSED. 
          AND HERE'S ANOTHER VIEW OF THAT SAME RENDERING. 
          THE SUBJECT PARCEL SHOWN HERE IN RED WOULD HAVE A FLOOR AREA RATIO, 14%, WHICH IS GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORING VICINITY WITHIN THE SAME VICINITY. 
          THERE ARE SIX OTHER PARCELS SHOWN BY THE, UM, LITTLE STARS THERE, UM, THAT HAVE A HIGHER FLOOR AREA RATIO OF 20% OR ABOVE. 
          IN COMPARISON TO THE 14% PROPOSED PLANNING STAFF DID RECEIVE SIX REQUESTS FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          SOME OF THE COMMENTS RECEIVED WERE REGARDING PRIVACY CONCERNS, PROPERTY VALUE, AND THE POTENTIAL OF THE RESIDENTS BLOCKING THEIR VIEW. 
          IN ORDER TO ASSIST THE CONCERNS. 
          THE APPLICANT DID INSTALL STORY POLES IN ORDER TO PROVIDE A VISUALIZATION OF THE PROPOSED RESIDENCE. 
          HERE ARE SOME PHOTOGRAPHS OF THAT, THOSE STORY POLES THAT WERE INSTALLED FROM THE SITE ITSELF. 
          HERE WE HAVE, UM, PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE STORY POLES FROM THE NORTH NEIGHBOR, UM, WHO DID ALLOW US TO GO ON SITE TO TAKE SOME PHOTOGRAPHS UP. 
          SO THEY'RE SHOWN HERE, HERE'S SOME PHOTOGRAPHS FROM THE SOUTH NEIGHBOR AND PHOTOGRAPHS FROM THE WEST NEIGHBOR AS WELL TOO SOON. 
          UM, WITH THAT, DUE TO THE PROPOSAL BEING IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ZONING CODE PLANNING STAFF DOES RECOMMEND ADOPTING THE RESOLUTION NUMBER 23,621 TO APPROVE ADMINISTRATIVE USE PERMIT 2214 AND SUBCOMMITTEE DESIGN REVIEW 22 1 24. 
          I AM HERE FOR QUESTIONS. 
          THE APPLICANT ENDS HERE AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME? UH, CHAIR, IF I MAY, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT THE SECOND UNIT REVIEW IS NOT AN ENTITLEMENT. 
          IT IS RE ADUS ARE REQUIRED TO BE APPROVED MINISTERIALLY AND ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT PER STATE LAW. 
          SO THAT IS THE REASON WHY MIRIAM HAD STATED THAT IT IS NOT WITHIN THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S PURVIEW. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          UM, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS JUNCTURE? SEEING NONE, I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          WE'LL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT. 
          IS CASEY WONG HERE? GOOD EVENING. 
          MY NAME IS CASEY FONG. 
          I'M THE ARCHITECT FOR THE PROJECT REPRESENTING THE OWNER, UH, WHO'S NOT PRESENT TODAY. 
          UM, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH PLANNING STAFF ON DEVELOPMENT OF, OF THE PROJECT AND UM, BASICALLY THEY HAVE GIVEN US GUIDANCE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PROJECT IS CONFORMING WITH THE, UH, SURROUNDINGS. 
          MM-HMM. 
           AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. 
          UH, AND ALSO, UH, WITH THE RECOMMENDATION WE BUILT THIS, UH, MARKUP, UH, UH, PLANNING STAFFS CALL IT. 
          THE, THE, WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT? THE STORY, THE STORY POST, UH, THE STORY, THE STORY POLE, I'M SORRY, . 
          I CALL IT THE MARKUP. 
          UH, ALSO IN ADDITION, UM, WE, WE, UM, DID A, A QUICK SECTION OF THE SITE, ESPECIALLY RUNNING NORTH AND SOUTH, WHICH IS THE ONE IN THE BOTTOM AS YOU, AS YOU CAN, AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE THE, THE, UH, SECTION THROUGH THERE MM-HMM. 
           AND WITH, UH, OUR HEIGHT TRYING TO MINIMIZE, UH, THE HEIGHT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AND ALSO BEING A FLAT ROOF BUILDING. 
          UM, UH, OUR, OUR GOAL IS TO, TO, UH, NOT TO, UH, INCUR ANY ISSUES WITH THE NA WITH THE NEIGHBORS, ESPECIALLY THE NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH OF US. 
          SO THE PLANNING STAFF HAS PRETTY MUCH DESCRIBED OUR PROJECT IN DETAIL MM-HMM. 
          , AND ALSO THE FACT THAT, UH, THE PROJECT, UH, IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE, THE CITY ORDINANCES. 
          SO I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE TO ADD ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS COUNTRY. 
          UH, TO THE SOUTH IS ELEVATED, SO WOULDN'T YOU WOULDN'T BE OBSTRUCTING ANY VIEWS, WOULD YOU? TO THE SOUTH? I, I'M SORRY, TO THE SOUTH OF THE, THE, THE HOME, IT'S ELEVATED. 
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SO WOULD YOU BE, YOU WOULDN'T BE OBSTRUCTING ANY VEHICLES. 
          THE THE ONE ON THE SOUTH, THE, THE, THE, UH, PROPERTY ON TO OUR, TO OUR SOUTH IS, IS MUCH HIGHER THAN, THAN OUR LOT. 
          UH, THE, THE, THE TWO NEIGHBORS ON THE EAST AND THE WEST ARE ABOUT THE SAME. 
          AND OBVIOUSLY THE ONE AND OBVIOUS A LITTLE BIT LOWER EAST, PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE SEPARATED BY A LARGE STREET, SO THAT SHOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, THERE IS SEPARATION. 
          YEAH. 
          IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN, CAN YOU FLIP BACK TO THE SITE PLAN? YEAH, AS YOU CAN SEE THERE IS 37 FEET TO THE PROPERTY LINE, AND THEN THERE IS ANOTHER, I DON'T KNOW, 10, 15 FEET TO THE, TO THE EXISTING BUILDING. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT RIGHT NOW? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, CHAIR, IF I MAY, UM, IF I MAY ASK THE APPLICANT, UM, TO SHOW CUZ THE, THERE ARE NEIGHBORS HERE, THEY DIDN'T SEE WHAT THE, THE COMMISSION SAW REGARDING YOUR, YOUR DRAWING, THE SECTION. 
          UM, YES. 
          THIS, THIS IS THE CROSS SECTION RUNNING NORTH AND SOUTH. 
          NORTH IS OVER HERE AND SOUTH. 
          THIS IS, UH, THE, UH, SLOPE OF OUR SITE. 
          THIS IS, AND UH, THIS IS OPENING TO OURSELF. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO NOW WE'LL HEAR, UH, TESTIMONY FROM ANYONE IN FAVOR. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS IN FAVOR. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          MOVING ON TO TESTIMONY FROM THOSE OPPOSED, UH, FIRST UP IS GOING TO BE, UH, I BELIEVE RICHARD KLEIN. 
          PLEASE COME FORWARD. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          UM, I'M RICHARD KLEIN. 
          MY PROPERTY IS ON THAT DIAGONAL THAT SHOWS THE ARROW OF 37 FEET. 
          MM-HMM. 
           AND I HAVE BEEN IN THAT LOT AND LOOKED AT THEIR MOCKUP OF ELEVATION. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND THAT LOWER CORNER IS NINE FEET AWAY FROM MY PROPERTY. 
          SO, SO THEY HAVE MARKED OFF THAT. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S MY PROPERTY. 
          THEY MARKED OFF. 
          AS YOU SAW IN THE PICTURE, THOSE ELEVATIONS AND THE CORNERS OF WHERE THE PROPERTY IS SUPPOSED TO BE SITTING. 
          UH, THE, THE HOUSE IS SUPPOSED TO BE SITTING AND IT'S NOT 37 FEET, IT'S NINE FEET. 
          SECONDLY, UM, THERE IS NO TWO-STORY BUILDINGS IN, IN ANY OF THE NEIGHBORS AROUND THIS PROPERTY. 
          THIS WILL BE THE ONLY TWO-STORY BUILDING AND THIRD OF ALL THE GRADING. 
          RIGHT NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GONNA GRADE TO A LEVEL, AND IF THEY DO, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO BRING IN DIRT, WHICH WOULD RAISE THE PROPERTY HEIGHT EVEN HIGHER. 
          CUZ RIGHT NOW MY PROP THAT THIS PROPERTY IS A LITTLE BIT LOWER THAN MY PROPERTY. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE GOING TO DO THAT. 
          BUT I'M SAYING IF THEY DO BUILD A LEVEL HOUSE, THEN THEY WILL HAVE TO BRING IN DIRT AND THEN EVERYTHING WILL BE RAISED UP AS MUCH AS MAYBE EVEN FIVE FEET. 
          SO IT COULD BE 21 FEET PLUS FIVE FEET. 
          SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, OF MAJOR STRUCTURE THAT'S BLOCKING OUR VIEW, THAT IS CLOSER TO OUR HOUSE THAN I THINK THAT SHOWS. 
          UM, AND, UH, I THINK THAT AND THE GRADING, I THINK THOSE ARE ALL ISSUES THAT I HAVE AS A NEIGHBOR, AS ONE OF THE L AND THIS, AND MY, AND MY, AND I'M AT THE BACK END OF THE PROPERTY. 
          SO ARE YOU STILL, AND, AND THE GUEST HOUSE IN THE CORNER WILL BE ALSO NEXT TO MY PROPERTY. 
          AND EVEN THOUGH IT IS ALLOWED, IT'S JUST BE FOUR FEET AGAIN, FOUR FEET FROM MY PROPERTY LIE. 
          SO QUESTION, IS IT A CASE THAT WHERE THE ACTUAL HOUSE IS, IT'S FLAT, BUT THE SETBACK, WHICH THEY IDENTIFY AS 37, ARE YOU SAYING THAT'S SLOPED? I'M SAYING THE WHOLE PROPERTY IS SLOPED, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR ELEVATION IS. 
          IF THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD IT ON A, ON A LEVEL GROUND, AND IF THEY DO MM-HMM. 
          , THEY HAVE TO BRING IN DIRT. 
          IF THEIR, IF THEIR HOUSE IS GOING TO BE SLOPED, THEN 
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I NEED, WE NEED TO REALLY KNOW THAT. 
          AND THE, I GUESS THE THING THAT'S MOST IMPORTANT IS IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S 37 FEET AWAY FROM MY PROPERTY LINE, WHICH WOULD BE GREAT. 
          BUT THE MOCKUP THAT'S OUT THERE RIGHT NOW, I WENT OUT WITH A TAPE MEASURE, AND IF YOU'D LOOK AT THE PICTURES, I HAVE LIKE A, A, UH, A DISH, UH, YOU KNOW, DISH FOR THE, UH, SATELLITE. 
          AND THE SATELLITE DISH IS RIGHT THERE. 
          THE CORNER TO THE LEFT, RIGHT THERE IS ONLY SEVEN FEET FROM MY WALL. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU GET, THEY GET 37 FEET. 
          NO, THOSE ARE MY ISSUES. 
          IS IS THAT THE, IS THAT THE ADU MOCKUP? JOANNE, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE BIG MAP? JUST, I THINK THAT'S THE MAIN HOUSE. 
          THE ADUS NOT MOCKED UP, I DON'T THINK. 
          YEAH. 
          BECAUSE IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE COULD FOR MARY MIRIAM. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S THE MAIN, THAT'S THE MAIN RESIDENCE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S MY WALL. 
          CAN I SEE THE BIG MIC SITE PLANT? UH, THE ONE THAT SHOWS THAT HOUSES AROUND IT? YEAH. 
          37 FEET IS NOT CORRECT. 
          YOU, WHICH, SO THAT'S MY PROPERTY IN THE BACKGROUND. 
          THIS HOUSE IS NOT 37 FEET FROM THAT WALL, SHORT WALL THAT I HAVE. 
          AT LEAST THE WAY IT'S NOT MARKED OFF ON THOSE POLES. 
          I MEAN, IF THEY WANNA MOVE IT 37 FEET, MAKE IT ONE STORY, THAT'D BE FINE WITH ME. 
          MIRIAM, DO YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON, ON THAT? THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THE NORTH, I GUESS IT'D BE THE NORTHWEST CORNER, IS THAT CORRECT? THE NORTH FOR SURE. 
          NOT SURE. 
          NORTH, NORTH NORTHWEST? YES, NORTHWEST. 
          NORTHWEST. 
          SO THE HOUSE I'M WITH THE POOL. 
          I'M, I'M JUST, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE IT, BASED UPON THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS SHOWN, THE NORTHWEST CORNER APPEARS TO BE WHERE THE ADU IS LOCATED. 
          IS IS, IS THAT CORRECT? THE ADU IS HERE. 
          RIGHT THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT WOULD BE THE NORTHWEST CORNER. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO HIS CLOSEST, CLOSEST TO THE WEST, THE CLOSEST TO HIM WOULD BE THIS CORNER HERE. 
          THAT'S THIS, HIS PROPERTY WOULD BE THIS PROPERTY LINE HERE? YEAH, THAT'S HIS PROPERTY. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, WHEN THEY PUT UP THE STORY POLE, WAS SURVEY DONE? IF IF IF SURVEYS ARE DONE, THEN THEY CAN PULL OFF FROM THERE. 
          I DON'T, IT'S ALL I KNOW IS THEY PUT THOSE POLES UP, I GUESS, TO SHOW THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER OF THE, OF THE CITY, AND IT'S ONLY SEVEN FEET, BOTTOM RIGHT HAND, THE BOTTOM PIECE OF THE, OF THE HOUSE, THE BOTTOM RIGHT IS ONLY SEVEN FEET. 
          SO NINE FEET FROM MY, UH, PROPERTY LINE. 
          SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THE, THE PICTURES, THE PHOTOS ARE ACTUALLY INCORRECT. 
          I'M SAYING, ARE THEY, I'M SAYING THAT THE PLAN THAT SHOWED THAT IT WAS 37 FEET IS NOT CORRECT, BUT ARE THE PHOTOS CORRECT? I JUST WANNA SAY CAN, IF WE CAN SEE A BETTER PICTURE OF THEM, MAYBE WE CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T TELL FROM THE PICTURES WHAT, WHAT THE DISTANCE IS. 
          CAN YOU I'M WELL, THI IF YOU LOOK, MR. KLEIN, YOU, YOU LOOK AT THE DISH AND YOU LOOK TO THE LEFT, THAT POLE IS NOT 37 FEET FROM THAT DISH. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO I WANT TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION FROM STAFF HERE, BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS, THIS IS THE PROBLEM. 
          BASED UPON MY UNDERSTANDING OF, OF THAT SITE, IT LOOKS LIKE, IT LOOKS LIKE THOSE, THOSE POLLS, THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE THE ADU OTHERWISE THAT THOSE POLLS ARE COMPLETELY UNREPRESENTED OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING ON THE SITE PLAN. 
          MI, MIRIAM, I BELIEVE THERE'S 10 POLES. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND ARE, AND OF THOSE 10 POLES, WERE THOSE, WERE THOSE WERE THOSE POLES THAT ARE IDENTIFIED, UH, BY, BY MR. KLEIN HERE, ARE, ARE THOSE, ARE THOSE INDICATIVE OF THE ADU OR ARE THOSE INDICATIVE OF THE, OF THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED? THE STORY POLES ARE 
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FOR THE MAIN RESIDENCE IN THE DECK. 
          SO NOT NONE OF THEM ARE FOR THE ADU THAT IT WAS PROPOSED. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE UNIT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE, THE, SO THE STORY POLES ALSO INCLUDE WHERE THE DECK IS GOING TO EXTEND OUT? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT COULD BE ONE THAT COULD BE, YEAH, THAT, HOLD ON. 
          CAN YOU CLARIFY CLOSER, BUT NOT, SO THE DECK AREA, IS THAT, THAT LITTLE, THE SMALLER ORANGE RECTANGULAR? NO, THE, THOSE ARE TWO PATIO COVERS. 
          THE DECK WOULD BE WHERE, I DON'T KNOW IF MY MOUSE IS ON HERE, BUT TOP OF THE DECK WOULD BE THE SOUTH, THAT'D BE THE SOUTHWEST CORNER. 
          BUT THAT WOULDN'T BE HIS, UM, SI UH, BACK. 
          UH, I THINK THE STORY PULLS DON'T, OH, YOU SEE THE STORY PULL PICTURES, BECAUSE IF HE LIVES ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OR TOWARD THE NORTHWEST CORNER, THAT CAN'T BE RIGHT THERE. 
          IT CAN'T, RIGHT. 
          LOOK AT THE DISH AND YOU LOOK TO THE LEFT, THAT POLE, YOU CAN SEE THAT FROM MY WALL. 
          THAT IS NO WAY. 
          IS THAT 37 FEET. 
          IT'S NOT, YOU CAN'T SEE THE RIGHT, YOU CAN'T ON THIS, EVEN THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT, YOU CANNOT SEE PICTURE. 
          WHERE'S THIS PICTURE FROM? FROM, UH, AVENUE? NO, THIS IS FROM MR. KLEIN'S PROPERTY ON MY PROPERTY LOOKING THE NORTH SIDE, THIS PROPOSED PROPERTY. 
          AND, AND THE RIGHT HAND PICTURE, UH, IS THE SAME THING A LITTLE BIT FARTHER OVER, BUT THE, THE UNIT, THIS SAFETY UNIT IS EVEN FARTHER TO THE RIGHT. 
          YOU CANNOT SEE IT, RIGHT? I'M ONLY TALKING, I'M NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT THAT. 
          I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE MAIN HOUSE, TWO STORIES, THE GRADING AND, AND IT'S NOT 37 FEET AWAY. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          CAN YOU PUT IT ON THE CLINE? IF, IF WE CAN, AND THIS WOULD BE A CONSENSUS REQUEST HERE, IF WE CAN CALL THE APPLICANT BACK UP TO EXPLAIN, BECAUSE I, I HAVE TO SAY HONESTLY, I'M VERY CONFUSED AS TO AS TO THOSE, THOSE, UH, THOSE STORY PULLS RELATIVE TO MR. KLEIN'S PROPERTY. 
          IF, IF YOU CAN COME BACK UP, MR. FONG, BUT BEFORE MR. FONG COMES TO BACK UP, UM, JOANNE, CAN YOU, UM, HELP EXPLAIN, BECAUSE THE FRONT SETBACK IS 50 FEET, IT SEEMS LIKE, AND SINCE THE BACKYARD IS VERY SLANTED, HOW DO YOU, WHAT IS THE BACKYARD SETBACK, I GUESS? WHICH DIMENSION DO YOU GUYS USE? OKAY, SO YEAH, I THINK SO. 
          UM, WHEN, WHEN THE SETBACK IS MEASURED STRAIGHT ON LIKE THIS, IT'S SET 37 FEET. 
          HOWEVER, IF IT'S MEASURED, UM, GUESS AT A, UM, AT THE, AT THE CLOSEST POINT, UM, SLANTED, I GUESS, UM, IT MEASURES APPROXI. 
          I I USE A SCALE. 
          IT MEASURES APPROXIMATELY AROUND 20 25 9. 
          SO, SO IS IT FLAT WHEN IT'S SCALED ON THE PLANS? SO IS IT FLAT OR IS IT ACTUALLY A SLOPE? IS THERE ACTUALLY A SLOPE? BECAUSE I KNOW THE HOUSE IS GONNA BE ON A FLAT SURFACE, BUT FROM THE CORNER TO THAT POINT, IS THAT ACTUALLY A SLOPED AREA? UM, IT, IT'S A, I GUESS IT'S A GRADUAL SLOPE, BUT USUALLY SETBACKS ARE MEASURED STRAIGHT ON. 
          IT'S NOT MEASURED ALONG THE SLOPE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT WOULD BE A CASE THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO PHYSICALLY GO OUT THERE TO ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE THERE. 
          THAT'S GLORY OUT. 
          YES. 
          WELL, IT'S TOO DARK TO DO IT NOW, BUT, ALL RIGHT. 
          WELL, MR. FONG, PERHAPS YOU CAN ENLIGHTEN US BECAUSE I, I'LL I'LL SAY FOR ME, AND, AND MAYBE THE REST OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ARE, ARE FOLLOWING A LITTLE BETTER THAN I AM, BUT I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND. 
          UM, LOCATIONALLY, WHAT, WHAT IS THE, UH, THE STORY POLE THAT IS CLOSEST TO MR. KLEIN'S PROPERTY THAT HE'S INDICATED IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN SEVEN AND NINE FEET AWAY FROM HIS, HIS PROPERTY LINE. 
          SO I IS IS THAT I, IS, IS THAT RIGHT THERE? THE, THE NORTHWEST CORNER RIGHT THERE? OR IS THAT FURTHER TO THE SOUTH? WELL, FIRST OF ALL, WE DID HAVE A STORY POLE PLAN WITH DIMENSIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WE SHARE THAT WITH PLANNING STAFF. 
          I DON'T KNOW, MIRIAM, IF YOU HAVE A COPY OF THAT, UH, STORY POLE PLAN, I THINK I, WITH ME, THAT HAS THE DIMENSION THAT, THAT THAT PLAN DIRECTS THE CONTRACTOR TO INSTALL THE, UH, THE STORY POLE. 
          SURE. 
          BUT I'LL, I'LL JUST ASK A VERY DIRECT QUESTION HERE WITH REGARD TO, WITH REGARD TO WHAT THAT IS 
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ON THE, ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE. 
          THE LEFT HAND PICTURE IS, IS THAT, UM, IS, IS THAT THE, THE ADU OR IS THAT THE HOUSE? NO, THE ADU DOES NOT HAVE ANY STORY POLE. 
          OKAY. 
          REPRESENT UNDERSTOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO WHAT IS, AND AND IS THAT TO REPRESENT THE HOUSE THEN, TO CLARIFY? RIGHT. 
          THE, THE, AGAIN, UH, MIRIAM, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT PLAN? I I DON'T HAVE IT ON ME NOW. 
          UM, MARION QUESTION BASED ON THE PHOTOGRAPH MM-HMM. 
          , SEE HOW THEY HAVE THE ONE POLE THAT'S GOING STRAIGHT UP AND DOWN IS THAT ACTUALLY SUPPOSED TO REPRESENT THE WALL OF THE HOUSE? TH THE STORY POLES WOULD REPRESENT THE OVERALL LAYOUT. 
          SO THE TWO HIRE POLES ARE SUPPOSED TO REPRESENT THE BACK WALL, THE BACK WALL OF THE HOUSE. 
          OKAY. 
          THE STORY POLE, UH, WAS FOLLOWING THE, THE DIRECTION OF THE, OF THE PLAN. 
          AND SO I CAN SAY THAT THE, THE POLES ARE TRULY THE LOCATION OF THE CORNERS OF THE MAIN RESIDENCE RESIDENT. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THEN THE QUESTION IS THE POLES, THE POLE THAT IS JUST PROPPING THAT UP, THAT DOESN'T, THAT WOULD NOT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE POLE IN AN ANGLE? YES. 
          NO, NO, NO. 
          THAT, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. 
          THAT'S JUST TO SUPPORT THE POLE FROM PULLING DOWN. 
          GOTCHA. 
          SO, UM, CAN YOU POINT IT AGAIN TO THE WALL? THE STORY POLE? SO THE ONE THAT'S GOING UP AND DOWN MM-HMM. 
          , THOSE ARE BASICALLY THE, THE CORNER OF THE HOUSE, THE BACK CORNERS OF THE HOUSE. 
          WELL, LET'S, I, I APPRECIATE IT, BUT MR. FONG, CAN YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION? BECAUSE I, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING AND THE REST OF MY COMMISSIONERS, I DON'T HAVE A POINTER, BUT ARE YOU REFERRING TO NO, CAN YOU, YEAH. 
          REFERRING TO THIS POLE RIGHT HERE? YES. 
          YES. 
          THIS IS THE NORTHEAST CORNER, UH, OF THE BUILDING. 
          OF, OF THE BUILDING. 
          UH, AGAIN, AND YOU FLIP TO THE FLOOR OR SIDE, UH, OKAY. 
          IS THIS POINT OR RIGHT HERE? RIGHT. 
          COULD, COULD YOU POINT TO THE SITE PLAN PLEASE? SITE? THERE YOU GO. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IT WOULD BE RIGHT THERE. 
          SO WHAT THE STORY POLE, WHAT WE DID WAS WE INSTALLED OVER 20 FEET LOCKED. 
          OH, IT'S ON MY 20 ONES. 
          ON 2022, I BELIEVE. 
          THE, THE, THE CORNER, THE POLE LOCATED. 
          YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. 
          HERE AT THE FRONT ENTRANCE. 
          THOSE PICTURES UP. 
          I'M SORRY, THOSE PICTURES UP. 
          THAT'S THE WORST. 
          I THINK WE'RE SEEING POP BOX STICKS. 
          THE POLE, THE POLE PICTURE STICKS YOU PUT IN FOR THAT, THE MAIN HOUSE. 
          IT'S NOT THE ADUS FOR THE MAIN HOUSE. 
          THAT'S WHAT HE'S EXPLAINING. 
          WE'D PROBABLY HAVE TO PHYSICALLY GO OUT THERE TO STAY. 
          WE CAN'T, ALL POSE THAT WE DID WAS LOCATED RIGHT HERE. 
          HERE, YEAH. 
          HERE ABOUT 20, 20 FEET. 
          AND THEN AT THE ENTRANCE, THEY UP UP TO ABOUT 21, 22 FEET BECAUSE OF THE MAIN ENTRANCE. 
          THEN THE, THE LOWER POLE, UH, WE PUT, WELL, WE DIDN'T PUT ONE HERE, WE PUT ONE RIGHT HERE, HERE, AND HERE. 
          I DON'T THINK WE PUT ONE RIGHT HERE. 
          SO THAT REPRESENTS THE DECK. 
          BUT THE PICTURE, THE PICTURE DEMONSTRATES A CORNER AREA AND ONLY CORNER AREA. 
          I'D SEE ON THIS, ON THIS, UH, MAP OR SITE PLAN IS A ADU LOCATION. 
          THERE'S NO ADU HERE. 
          SO JUST CLARIFY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, BUT WHAT HE PUT THIS, WHAT HE PUT MR. FG, UM, IF YOU CAN EXPLAIN, IS TO US CLEARLY, CUZ FROM THE PICTURES PERSPECTIVE IN THE SITE PLAN, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW, POINTED TO THE CORNER WHERE THE DIAGONAL, THIS SLANTED PROPERTY LINE, THE STORY POLE, CAN YOU POINT IT TO THAT CORNER PLEASE? CORNER RIGHT THAT CORNER RIGHT THERE. 
          AND LET'S GO BACK TO THE PICTURE. 
          UH, PLEASE POINT IT TO THE CORNER. 
          YES. 
          SO WE'RE GO GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN PLEASE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO POINT TO THAT CORNER. 
          SO THAT IS THE CORNER. 
          AND I, AND THEN WHEN WE'RE GOING BACK TO THE PICTURE, WHICH IS TAKING FROM A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE, 
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LET'S POINT TO THAT, THAT WALL, THAT THAT WALL THAT YOU JUST POINTED TO RIGHT NOW. 
          SO CAN YOU PLEASE TURN TO THE PICTURE EARLIER? THAT ONE. 
          SO POINT AT WHICH WALL IS THAT? WHICH THIS WALL, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO, SO WHICH WALL DID YOU POINT TO EARLIER AT THE SITE PLAN? CAN YOU POINT IT TO US? THE SOY POLE. 
          I DIDN'T TAKE THESE PICTURES. 
          I WALL THIS, THIS WALL IS ON OUR EAST PROPERTY. 
          SEE, BECAUSE IT GOES AT AN ANGLE, BUT IT'S NOT THE, THAT'S THE CASE. 
          THEN THIS AT THE DOOR, EAST CORNER OF OUR, OF OUR RESIDENCE GO OUT THERE. 
          WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO OUT THERE. 
          ARE HERE. 
          NO, SEE, BECAUSE THIS IS THAT ANGLE. 
          IT'S OVER HERE. 
          SO THE PHOTOGRAPH ISN'T THE FOOL I CAN SHARE YOU HERE. 
          THE GREEN, YEAH, GREEN. 
          THE GREEN LINE ON THE, THE GREEN LINE ON THE TOP. 
          OKAY. 
          THERE'S LIKE A GREEN LINE ONE RIGHT HERE. 
          WHERE'S THAT? THIS IS 19TH OF MY PROPERTY LINE. 
          GO BACK TO THERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND IT MATCHES UP TO THIS PORT OF THE DOOR RIGHT HERE. 
          AND THAT IS RIGHT THERE ALMOST 19. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE MY PROPERTY LINE RIGHT HERE. 
          AND I'M NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT THIS. 
          OH YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE'RE NOT TALKING, I'M TALKING ABOUT THIS PORT. 
          HOW CLOSE IT IS TO MY WALL. 
          IT'S NOT INDICATED. 
          I'M ALSO, AGAIN REITERATING, THIS RIGHT HERE IS AT LEAST 21 FEET NOW AND GREAT. 
          IT HIGHER ANYWHERE. 
          AND MAYBE YOU SAID, MAYBE YOU SAID THIS ALREADY, BUT WHAT, WHAT, WHAT PART OF, WHAT AREA OF THE, THE PICTURE WITH THE, THE STICKS, WHAT AREA DOES THAT RE RESEMBLE? THE MAIN HOUSE WHERE THE NEW MAIN HOUSE IS GONNA GO. 
          WHERE WAS IT TAKEN FROM? WELL, HE DIDN'T TAKE THE PICTURES. 
          I KNOW, BUT WHAT DO YOU THINK WHERE FROM YOUR, SINCE YOU LIVE AROUND THE AREA, CAN YOU POINT TO THE LOCATION? SO WHERE THE PICTURE FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE PICTURES. 
          SAY IT AGAIN. 
          CAN YOU POINT TO THE LO THIS WAY OR AT AN ANGLE. 
          IS IT TAKEN THIS WAY OR AT THE ANGLE? WHERE WOULD YOU THINK THAT AT YOUR PROPERTY THAT YOU WERE TAKING THE PICTURE TOWARD THE SOY POLE. 
          IT'S HERE LOOKING DOWN, IT LOOKING AT ME LIKE, OKAY, SO IT'S, IT'S THERE LOOKING AT, IT'S RIGHT THERE. 
          THIS IS THE, THIS IS THAT AREA AND IT'S LOOKING THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          ARE, ARE THE STORY POLES STILL IN PLACE? THE THE STORY POLES ARE STILL IN PLACE? YES. 
          BECAUSE YOU KNOW FROM, BECAUSE THE STREET IS, UH, SAYS NO TRESPASS. 
          AND EVEN GOING OVER TO THE A RIDGE STREET SIDE, YOU CAN'T SEE THE STORY POLES. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , YOU CAN'T. 
          SO IT'S KIND OF A CASE I WOULD PHYSICALLY NEED TO GO THERE TO THE SITE TO BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY SEE THE STORY POLES AND TO SEE THE OTHER HOMES THAT SURROUND THE AREA. 
          IS THAT SET BACK IN THE FRONT? IS THAT UH, CODE OR CAN THEY MOVE THE PROP? THE WELL HOUSE, THEY, THEY HAVE TO MEET THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS TURNAROUND FOR A FIRE ENGINE. 
          SO THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE THE 50 FOOT SETBACK, BECAUSE THEY'RE MORE THAN 500 FEET. 
          GOT IT. 
          FROM GRAND ASKING. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT THE SETBACK FOR THAT AREA IS THAT 20 FEET OR 25 FEET, JOAN. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR NOW. 
          WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL CALL YOU BACK UP FOR REBUTTAL. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          LET'S, UH, MOVE ON TO LINDA KLEIN NEXT, AND THEN ON DECK WILL A DIAZ. 
          HI EVERYONE. 
          MY NAME IS LINDA MAY KLEIN AND I AM THE WIFE OF THE GENTLEMAN THAT JUST LEFT RICHARD KLEIN. 
          UM, WHAT WE'RE UPSET ABOUT IS, UM, THE NEIGHBORS IS WHEN WE FIRST, UH, SPOKE TO THE OWNER, I FORGOT, I FORGOT HIS NAME, I'M SORRY, BUT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ONE STORY. 
          SO WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO ONE STORY. 
          BUT WHEN WE SAW, UM, THE PLANS, MY HUSBAND WENT DOWN AND LOOKED AT THE PLANS AND SO DID ONE OF THE OTHER NEIGHBORS OR TWO. 
          AND WE REALIZED IT WAS TWO STORY AND IT WAS LIKE EVERYTHING WAS CRAMMED INTO ONE LITTLE LOT HIGH. 
          ANYTHING YOU COULD PUT IN WAS PUT IN, UH, THE LITTLE, UH, GRANDMOTHER HOUSE. 
          I DON'T 
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KNOW WHAT YOU CALL THOSE THINGS. 
          A D U IS THAT THE RIGHT TERM? THAT WAS THERE. 
          AND I KNOW THAT'S, YOU SAID YOU'RE NOT DEALING WITH THAT, BUT THAT WAS THERE, THERE, IT'S JUST LIKE A LITTLE VILLAGE WAS PUT ON THIS LOT. 
          UM, I, IT'S LOT GONNA BLOCK OUT THE LIGHT. 
          IT'S GONNA BE JUST A NOISY PLACE THAT WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANT AND WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO, UM, IF HE COULD JUST GET IT BACK TO ONE STORY, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. 
          WE WOULDN'T HAVE ANY OBJECTION. 
          BUT HE'S TRYING TO PUT TOO MUCH ON ONE LOT. 
          IT'S LIKE YOU'RE TRYING TO PUT A, AN OFFICE BUILDING ON THAT LOT. 
          YOU CAN'T DO THAT. 
          IT'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM. 
          SO I'M REALLY, UH, HERE TO PROTEST THAT PART OR, UM, BUT WHEN WE ACTUALLY SAW THIS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CALL THOSE THINGS, THE STICKS UP, WE REALIZED WHAT A DISASTER THAT WOULD BE. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL WANNA COME OUT AND LOOK AT IT. 
          MM-HMM. 
           THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD POSSIBLY, EXCUSE ME, THAT WOULD POSSIBLY SAVE IT, IF WE COULD PUT A HIGHER FENCE AND HE COULD TAKE OFF THAT DECK SO THAT HE'S NOT LOOKING INTO OUR PROPERTY, AND THEN WE COULD PLANT LIKE HIGH BUSHES, LET THEM JUST GROW LIKE 10 FEET. 
          I MEAN, I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF WHAT YOU COULD DO TO ALLEVIATE THAT ISSUE OF PRIVACY. 
          WE LIVE ON THE TOP OF A HILL THAT WE LIVE THERE BECAUSE WE LIKE PRIVACY. 
          SO DOES EVERYONE IN THIS, THE LITTLE COMMUNITY THAT WE HAVE, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WE DON'T HAVE PRIVACY ANYMORE TO FIND OUR, WE NEVER GET PIZZA DELIVERED BECAUSE NO ONE CAN FIND OUR HOUSE. 
          IT'S UP A LITTLE ROAD. 
          I, I, I INVITE YOU TO COME UP. 
          I'LL EVEN GIVE YOU LEMONADE,  PIZZA, COME UP TO THE TOP AND YOU, IT'S, YOU'RE ALONE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND, UM, I LIKE IT THAT WAY. 
          SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY DELIVERIES. 
          COME ON LINDA. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT , SORRY. 
          BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S MY POSITION ON THIS. 
          THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALIA DIAZ. 
          AND NEXT UP IS GOING TO BE CHRIS HAAL, A DIAZ. 
          UH, FIRST THING I IS, IS MS. DIAZ GOING TO SPEAK? I'M OKAY. 
          HOLD ON. 
          MS. MS. DIAZ, DO YOU, DO YOU STILL WANNA SPEAK? YEAH, SURE. 
          THAT THAT, THAT'S FINE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, MR. HADDO? YES. 
          UM, I'M, I REPRESENT THE PROPERTY. 
          IT'S ON THE WEST SIDE OF THAT PROPERTY, WHICH THE ADU IS GONNA BE RIGHT UP AGAINST MY MOTHER'S PROPERTY. 
          UM, I WANT, I WANT YOU TO LISTEN VERY CAREFUL WHAT I, I PREPARED HERE. 
          WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE FACING HERE. 
          AND I THINK LADY JUST, WELL, INVASION OF PRIVACY. 
          WE'VE ENJOYED OUR FAMILY BEING, UH, GROWING UP THERE. 
          AND MY, MY PARENTS PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY IN 1964 BECAUSE OF THE PRIVACY, THE EXCLUSIVITY OF THE PROPERTY, UM, WITH A TWO-STORY HOUSE BEING BUILT OF THIS MAGNITUDE. 
          AND I WAS OUT AND I TOOK PICTURES OF THE POLLS MYSELF AND PRESENTED THOSE TO MIRIAM THIS MORNING VIA EMAIL. 
          UM, IT'S GONNA, IT'S GONNA BASICALLY DESTROY THAT PRIVACY. 
          THE PRIVACY OF EVERYBODY HERE IS ENJOYED LACK CONSIDERATION OF THE COMMUNITY CONTEXT AND USE OF THIS LAND AND THE PLACEMENT OF THAT HOUSE. 
          IT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ATROCIOUS LACK OF CONSIDERATION OF A COOPERATIVE AND COLLABORATIVE PLANNING PROCESS WITH THE NEIGHBORS. 
          THAT HASN'T HAPPENED. 
          PLACEMENT OF THE BUILDING IS A BLATANT ENCROACHMENT. 
          PLANS DO NOT CONFORM WITH THE EXISTING ARCHITECTURE. 
          THAT'S IF IT REMAINS AT A TWO-STORY HOUSE, DOES NOT CONFORM THE ARCHITECTURE IN THAT AREA. 
          AGAIN, IT WAS ORIGINALLY A ONE STORY HOUSE DISRESPECTFUL ACTIONS TOWARD MY 91 YEAR OLD MOTHER WHO STILL LIVES IN THIS PROPERTY. 
          TRANQUILITY HAS BEEN BREACHED. 
          THEY ALL, EVERYONE LIVES HERE BECAUSE OF THE TRANQUILITY OF THIS PROPERTY, HOW IT'S NICE AND QUIET AND EVERYBODY ENJOYS THAT TRANQUILITY. 
          I ENJOYED IT GROWING UP. 
          THIS WILL DISAPPEAR FOREVER IF THE PLANS PROPOSED TO MOVE A BUILD. 
          WONDERFUL PRIVATE. 
          THE PRIVACY HAS BEEN ENJOYED BY MY FAMILY SINCE 1964, WILL BE MARRED BY AN ADJOINING AND ENCROACHING TOWERING BUILDING ESTIMATED TO BE APPROXIMATELY 22 FEET AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL, WHICH WILL FACE 
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OUR POOL YARD AND THE BEDROOMS. AND NOW AT, AT PORT, THE ADU, ESPECIALLY OF THAT PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, WILL BE STARING AT THAT. 
          IT'S UNACCEPTABLE. 
          EVEN A SINGLE STORY HOUSING PLAN, WHICH ORIGINALLY WAS APPROVED POTENTIALLY DOES NOT APPEAR TO HAVE ADEQUATELY ADDRESSED THE HOUSE IN THAT CONTEXT OF THE HOME SURROUNDING IT TOO MUCH ON TOO MUCH, ON TOO LITTLE PIECES. 
          UH, LITTLE PIECE OF PROPERTY. 
          THERE'S PLENTY OF LAND TO BUILD A HOUSE AWAY FROM THE, FROM THE, OUR FENCE LINE. 
          AND BY THE WAY, THAT'S 16 FEET AT THE END. 
          . 
          IT'S NOT 16 FEET. 
          WELL, THIS GENTLEMAN HERE, LIKE SAM, HE IS NINE FEET. 
          WELL, IT'S CLOSER TO MAYBE FIVE FEET. 
          80 A D U WILL BE RIGHT UP AGAINST THE WALL. 
          SO THOSE, THOSE, THOSE MOCKUPS ARE INCORRECT FROM THE PHOTOS. 
          YOU CAN SEE IN THE LAYOUT, THE PLACEMENT OF THE PROPERTY. 
          THE HOUSE IS, IT'S SETTLED DOWN. 
          IT'S NOT THE HIGHEST AND THE BEST USE OF THE PROPERTY. 
          I UNDERSTAND THE FIRE ISSUES. 
          THEY SHOULD THINK AGAIN ON GONNA RE REDESIGN THE PROPERTY FROM THE PHOTOS. 
          YOU CAN SEE AT THE LAYOUT, THE PLACEMENT OF THE HOUSE IS AN ENCROACHMENT ON THAT, ON THAT LAND LEFT SIDE, SOME CONSIDERATION SHOULD BE GIVEN TO PLACE IN THE HOME, AWAY FROM THAT SHARED FENCE, FROM AWAY FROM THAT AREA WHERE IT'S AT NOW. 
          AND BACKYARD LANDSCAPING SHOULD BE THERE VERSUS A D U. 
          IN CLOSING, SURELY THE COUNCIL UNDERSTANDS THAT THE PLANS AND POSSIBLY DECEPTIVE TACTICS THAT WERE USED HERE ARE NOT ACCEPTABLE TO THE IMMEDIATE COMMUNITY. 
          IT IS, IT IS A, IT IS REGRETFUL THAT THIS FUTURE POTENTIAL OCCUPANTS AND POTENTIALLY THE PLANNERS, UH, DID NOT CONSIDER A COLLABORATIVE AND COOPERATIVE PLANNING PROCESS AND MATURE WITHIN A MATURE COMMUNITY. 
          EVERYBODY'S BEEN MIGHT KNOW. 
          AGAIN, MY PARENTS HAVE BEEN THERE SINCE 1964. 
          I GREW UP IN THIS HOUSE. 
          UH, THESE PEOPLE ARE STILL THERE TOO. 
          REGRETFULLY TODAY, THE LACK OF COOPERATION. 
          AGAIN, AGAIN, IT'S NO LACK OF COOPERATION AND COLLABORATION PROCESS WITH THE MATURE COMMUNITY. 
          REGRETFULLY TODAY, THE LACK OF COOPERATION AND COLLABORATION HAS ALREADY LED TO AN EX EXCAVATING REMOVAL OF BUSHES, MATURE TREES THAT PROVIDED PRIVACY AND ALSO A GREAT VIEW. 
          THERE USED TO BE SOME WONDERFUL EUCALYPTUS TREES DOWN THE LOWER PART OF THAT PROPERTY ARE NOW GONE. 
          COMPLETELY BEAUTIFUL. 
          SO WE BASICALLY APPEAL, YOU KNOW, WE BASICALLY, I'M, I'M, I'M, WE'RE BASICALLY REACHING OUT TO YOU TO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THEY OWN THE PROPERTY. 
          IT'S, SO OBVIOUSLY THE PROPERTY'S GONNA BE BUILT. 
          IT CANNOT BE TWO STORIES. 
          THAT'LL JUST BE, THAT'LL JUST BE ATROCIOUS. 
          NOW THEN I'M JUST APPEAL, I'M TRYING TO APPEAL ON THE EMOTIONAL LEVEL BECAUSE THAT'S JUST, IT'S A COMPLETE DISRUPTION OF NOT ONLY MY, MY FOLKS, MY MOM, BUT EVERYONE ELSE IN THAT AREA. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, A DIAZ. 
          AND NEXT UP WILL BE, UH, JOE TO TOS. 
          UM, WELL WE ARE, MY PROPERTY IS TO THE, UH, THE SOUTH OF, UM, THE OPPOSITE FROM THE, UH, PROPERTY OF THE COUPLE THAT CAME BEFORE ME. 
          WE ARE A LITTLE BIT ELEVATED. 
          WE HAVE A, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE HAVE A SLOPE THAT GOES INTO THAT PROPERTY. 
          SO WE HAVE A REALLY NICE VIEW RIGHT NOW OF WEST COVINA. 
          WE COULD SEE THE IKEA BUILDINGS, THE MOUNTAINS. 
          AND SO WHEN WE HEARD THAT THEY WERE GONNA BUILD A HOUSE, A ONE-STORY HOUSE, WE WERE OKAY WITH THAT. 
          BUT WITH A TWO-STORY HOUSE, WE FEEL IT'S GONNA OBSTRUCT OUR VIEW. 
          AND IT'S ALSO, IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T, UH, GO WELL WITH THE REST OF THE HOMES THAT ARE BELOW US, CUZ THEY'RE ALL SINGLE STORY HOMES. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHY I OPPOSED TO THIS, BECAUSE WE FEEL WE'RE GONNA LOSE OUR VIEW, WHICH IS THE REASON WHY WE BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY LIKE 18, 18, 20 YEARS AGO. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          RIGHT. 
          NEXT UP IS JOE TOS AND FOLLOWED BY NORMAN. 
          UH, SH SCHULTE HEIS, I THINK, I HOPE I'M NOT, BUT BUTCHERING THAT. 
          TOO BAD. 
          YOU'RE, YOU'RE PRETTY GOOD. 
          UM, MY NAME IS GEORGE TORRES AND SO THAT WAS MY WIFE, AND THAT'S OUR PROPERTY FROM THAT VIEW THERE. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE SEE FROM OUR POOL DECK, RIGHT? SO WE MOVED THERE AND, I DON'T KNOW, 2000. 
          WE'VE BEEN THERE 20 SOMETHING YEARS. 
          WE'VE ALWAYS ENJOYED THAT VIEW. 
          I MEAN, UH, MIRIAM CAME OVER TODAY. 
          WE'VE ALLOWED HER TO COME AND TAKE SOME PICTURES. 
          SHE GOT A CHANCE TO, UH, COME IN AND STAND, UH, ON OUR DECK. 
          AND EVEN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A, A NICE, UH, PATIO THERE. 
          AS I WAS EXPLAINING TO HER. 
          I MEAN, WE, I THINK I MUST HAVE E EVERY ROOM THAT FACES THAT HOUSE, THAT PROPERTY FROM MY DINING ROOM, MY KITCHEN, MY BAR, MY LIVING ROOM, MY LAUNDRY ROOM, AND EVEN MY GARAGE. 
          EVERYTHING FACES THAT WAY. 
          EVERY, AND I, WE, WHEN I, WE WENT IN THERE, WE PUT IN BEAUTIFUL BIG WINDOWS SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THE WIFE CAN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ALL SEE THE VIEW. 
          AND, UH, AND IN FACT ON OUR DECK, I HAVE A, A WORKOUT AREA THERE WHERE WE HAVE OUR TREADMILL AND OUR 
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ELLIPTICAL AND BIKES AND EVERYTHING FACING THAT AREA. 
          IN THE MORNING YOU COME OUT, IT'S NICE. 
          YOU GOT, YOU KNOW, SNOW CAP MOUNTAINS AND EVERYTHING. 
          AND SO CAN, CAN I SEE THAT? UM, CAUSE I WANT TO POINT SOMETHING OUT JUST ON THE PICTURE, UH, JUST THE GREEN. 
          YES. 
          SO, SO MY, MY CONCERN IS, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN THEY WERE GONNA DO THE ONE STORY HOUSE, WE WERE, WE WERE FINE WITH THAT. 
          I MEAN, I, IN FACT, THAT WAS VERY HOSPITABLE WHEN HE CAME OVER TO INTRODUCE HIMSELF TO ME. 
          UM, I ALLOWED HIM TO PUT THIS GREEN TARP HERE, UH, AND ACTUALLY EXTEND THIS, THIS FENCE. 
          THIS FENCE WAS ORIGINALLY JUST TO ABOUT HERE. 
          AND SO I ALLOWED HIM TO PUT IT HIGHER. 
          AND THEN I ACTUALLY WENT AROUND AND TOOK HIM TO ALL THE NEIGHBORING HOUSES TO, TO INTRODUCE HIM, RIGHT? HEY, WELCOME TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE, WE'RE NEIGHBORLY, YOU KNOW. 
          AND, UH, AND THEN IN THE 11TH HOUR HE CAME WITH THIS TWO-STORY PROPOSAL AND IT WAS LIKE, WHOA, YOU KNOW, WHAT TWO STORIES. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THEN I ASKED HIM, WELL, WELL, WHERE, WHERE IS THE GRADING GONNA START? I GO, BECAUSE THIS CUB'S DOWN HERE. 
          AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IF, IF HE WERE TO DO WHAT THIS GUY DID HERE, CAUSE YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW, BUT THERE'S A HUGE HOUSE OVER HERE ON THIS SIDE. 
          IT'S A ONE STORY. 
          IT'S A ONE STORY HOME. 
          UH, BUT THIS GUY HAD, YOU KNOW, TRUCKLOADS AND TRUCKLOADS OF DIRT THAT CAME IN AND HE RAISED THE, THE LEVEL. 
          AND IF YOU CAN KIND OF SEE, IF YOU LOOK REAL CLOSE RIGHT HERE, THIS, THIS WALL HERE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, LIKE, THE MIDDLE OF IT, YOU ACTUALLY SEE SOME, UH, WATER STAINS, WATER STAINS ON THERE. 
          YOU COULD PROBABLY SEE IT BETTER ON THAT ONE. 
          BUT YOU COULD SEE THE WATER STAIN THERE. 
          AND THAT'S BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE HIS LEVEL IS, RIGHT? HE'S GOT, THAT'S WHERE, SO IF YOU'RE STANDING ON THE OTHER SIDE, YOUR FEET ARE GONNA BE RIGHT HERE, RIGHT? SO WHAT'S TO STOP HIM FOR YOU GUYS? LET'S SAY IF YOU GUYS WERE TO APPROVE A TWO-STORY BUILDING AND THEN HE DOES WHAT THIS GUY DOES, YOU KNOW, HEY, I'M GONNA SHIP IN TONS OF DIRT HERE AND I'M GONNA RAISE THIS LEVEL. 
          I'LL PUT A BIGGER WALL HERE AND WE'LL RAISE THE, FOUND THE, THE GRADING LEVEL TO HERE AND WE'LL START OUR 22 FEET OR WHATEVER HE IS ALLOWED TO DO FROM THIS POINT GOING UP. 
          WELL, HE'LL JUST DEVASTATE OUR VIEW, RIGHT? AND WHEN I ASK MIRIAM, I GO, WELL, WHERE, WHEN IS THAT DETERMINED? SHE SAYS, WELL, THAT'S DETERMINED WAY AFTER THE APPROVAL'S EVEN DONE. 
          CUZ THAT COMES IN WHEN ENGINEERING GETS INVOLVED. 
          AND YOU KNOW, I SAID, WELL, THAT'S KIND OF LIKE THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE, RIGHT? I MEAN, I THINK WE SHOULD ALREADY UNDERSTAND WHERE GRADING LEVEL SHOULD BE AND NOT ALLOW HIM TO ENCROACH ON WHAT ALL THE OTHER HOMES, UH, RIDGE LINES ARE, RIGHT? SO IF YOU STAND IN MY YARD, YOU'LL SEE THAT EVEN, EVEN THOUGH THIS GUY RAISED HIS ELEVATION, UH, TO BE, TO BUILD HIS ONE STORY HOME, THE TOP OF HIS ROOF IS, I MEAN, IT'S ALMOST PERFECT WITH THIS ONE, WITH MR. KLEIN'S, UH, AND MRS. KLEIN'S HOME. 
          AND AS YOU CIRCLE AROUND OVER HERE, DOLORES, UH, YOU KNOW, AND, AND ALL THE OTHER HOMES, THEY'RE ALL, YOU COULD BASICALLY PUT A LEVEL RIGHT THERE. 
          AND, UH, SO AGAIN, SO THEN I, YOU KNOW, COMMON SENSE TELLS ME THAT IF HE WERE TO EVEN RAISE IT JUST SLIGHTLY, AND IF HE WERE TO GO TWO STORIES HIGH, WELL, I'M ASSUMING IF YOU WERE TO ADD AN IF, IF, UH, MR. UM, CAMPANAS WHO OWNS THIS PROPERTY HERE, AND HE'S AGAINST IT TOO, BY THE WAY, HE JUST, YOU KNOW, THE GUY'S A BUSY GUY AND HE COULDN'T MAKE IT TODAY, BUT I TALKED TO HIM JUST ABOUT EVERY OTHER WEEK. 
          UH, IF YOU WERE TO PUT A, ANOTHER STORY ON TOP OF HIS HOUSE, WELL YOU MIGHT AS WELL PUT IT ON TOP OF THE KLEINS BECAUSE IMAGINE IF, IF HE RAISED IT TO THIS LEVEL AND HE PUT A SECOND STORY, IT WOULD BE UP HERE. 
          I, I WOULD LOSE, WE WOULD LOSE ALL THIS SIGHT RIGHT HERE OF, OF, WELL HERE, WHEREVER IT'S AT. 
          AND SO THAT, THAT WAS THE, THAT THAT'S THE CONCERN THERE. 
          NO, NO CONCERNS WITH ONE STORY AT ALL. 
          UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, SO THAT, THAT'S REALLY ALL I I HAVE TO SAY. 
          I MEAN I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT AGAINST SOMEONE COMING IN AND WANTING TO BUILD THEIR DREAM HOME THERE, BUT I MEAN, IF, IF YOU WANT TO DO WHAT, WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE HAS, IT'S A ONE STORY HOME. 
          I MEAN, WHAT THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS TO DO I THINK 2,500 SQUARE FEET, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, MIRIAM, RIGHT? IT WAS, THE ORIGINAL WAS ABOUT PROPOSAL WAS AROUND 2,500. 
          AND THEN HE WENT TO THE TWO STORY, WHICH I THINK TAKES IT TO ABOUT 3000 OR SO. 
          SO THAT EXTRA 500 FEET THAT HE WANTS TO GET ON THE SECOND STORY, WHY, WHY NOT PUT IT OVER HERE OFF TO THE SIDE, KEEP IT ONE STORY. 
          HE COULD STILL PROBABLY GET HIS 3000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE IN THERE. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND I THINK IT, HE WOULD BE HAPPY. 
          EVERYBODY WOULD HAPPY. 
          I MEAN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE JUST ALL WANT TO GET ALONG . 
          I MEAN, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, NEXT UP IS NORMAN SCHULT HEIS FOLLOWED BY DOLORES HADOW. 
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I'M NOT GONNA REPEAT EVERYTHING THAT EVERYBODY ELSE ALREADY SAID. 
          THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I HAVE HERE THAT WASN'T ALREADY MENTIONED WAS THAT DECK, THAT OPEN DECK ON THE SECOND FLOOR THAT IS, HAS NO OTHER VIEW THAN INTO OUR BACKYARDS AND INTO OUR BEDROOM WINDOWS OF BOTH JOE'S MINE, THE NEIGHBOR THAT WOULD BE, UH, ON THE WEST SIDE. 
          THAT, THAT, YEAH, THE FLOORS THAT THAT DECK DOES NOTHING, HAS NO OTHER VIEW. 
          THE MOUNTAINS ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE. 
          SO E EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S I WROTE DOWN HERE. 
          IT HAS ALREADY BEEN MENTIONED, SO NO, YOU WAS REPEATING IT GUYS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NEXT UP IS DOLORES HADOW FOLLOWED BY, UH, HOLD ON, I HAVE TWO MORE CARDS. 
          UH, PHIL ARLA, I HAVE LIVED AT THIS LOCATION FOR 60 YEARS. 
          THE FIRST PERSON WHO SPOKE WAS ONE YEAR OLD WHEN WE MOVED IN. 
          NOW YOU ARE, THIS IS ADDRESSED TO THESE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY. 
          NOW YOU ARE PLANNING TO BUILD A HOME WITHOUT ANY THOUGHT OF HOW YOUR PLANS WILL AFFECT THOSE WHO ARE ALREADY LIVING THERE. 
          I WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO DO. 
          YOU BOUGHT THE PROPERTY BECAUSE IT AFFORDED SO MUCH PRIVACY AND BEAUTY AND NOW THAT PRIVACY THAT WE HAVE ENJOYED WILL BE GONE. 
          IF YOU CONTINUE WITH YOUR PLAN, IF YOU CONTINUE WITH THE PROJECT, I HAVE SOME REQUESTS THAT IS TO CONTINUE WITH PRIVACY. 
          THAT TREES AND SHRUBS BE REPLACED. 
          HE REMOVED ALL THE TREES, ALL THE SHRUBS, EVERYTHING THAT WAS THERE. 
          IT IS JUST BARE GROUND. 
          THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE WAY FROM ME. 
          I HAVE NEVER SEEN, I DON'T EVEN HAVE NEVER EVEN MET THAT PERSON. 
          THEY'VE BEEN LIVING THERE FOR OVER 30 YEARS. 
          THEY HAVEN'T MET ME BECAUSE WE HAD SO MUCH PRIVACY. 
          YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE CAN LIVE OUT, LIVE OUR LIVES COMFORTABLY IN THE SECLUDED AREA. 
          WHAT YOU HOPE TO ENJOY WILL NOT BECOME A REALITY, BUT A DISAPPOINTMENT TO YOU AND THOSE AROUND YOU. 
          PLEASE GIVE SOME THOUGHT TO WHAT YOU ARE PLANNING TO DO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NEXT UP, PHIL AR ZOLA, FOLLOWED BY DEBRA ZARAGOZA. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          MY NAME IS PHIL OLA. 
          I LIVE AT 3 23 GRAND. 
          SO I'M THREE HOUSES NORTH OF THIS PROPERTY. 
          I, I'M HERE ON A TANGENT. 
          I I KNOW WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM ON PRIVACY BECAUSE THAT HOUSE I THINK GETS BUILT TWO STORY OR ONE ISN'T GONNA BOTHER MY PRIVACY CUZ I'M TOO FAR AWAY. 
          MY BIG CONCERN RIGHT NOW IS HOW THEY'RE GONNA CONSTRUCT THIS HOUSE AND THE SAFETY THAT'S GOING TO GO ALONG IN BUILDING THIS HOUSE. 
          IF YOU GO TO THE DRIVEWAY THAT THEY HAVE THAT LONG NARROW, IT LOOKS LIKE A BAT CAVE DRIVEWAY, YOU KNOW, GOING ALL THE WAY DOWN. 
          UM, THAT IS A VERY DIFFICULT DRIVEWAY TO TURN INTO. 
          WHEN THEY STARTED BUILDING THE, THE, THE, THE CURB, WHEN THEY BROKE THE CURB TO BUILD THE DRIVEWAY, LIKE ABOUT A MONTH OR TWO AGO, WE HAD TRAFFIC BACKED UP ON GRAND. 
          MM-HMM , YOU KNOW, GRAND IS A THROUGH FAIR WHERE MY HOUSE IS. 
          PEOPLE ARE HITTING 40 CUZ THEY GOTTA GET UP THE HILL SO THEY CAN GET TO MOUNT SAC AND GO TO SCHOOL. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN RIGHT NOW FROM MY STANDPOINT. 
          I'VE BEEN LIVING THERE FOR 16 YEARS NOW. 
          I KNOW THE CLIENTS, GREAT PEOPLE. 
          THE GUY IN BACKING ME HAS BEEN BUILDING FOR 12 YEARS NOW. 
          WHEN HE'S DID HIS INITIAL BUILD OF HIS HOUSE, HE HAD 70 CEMENT TRUCKS PARK IN MY FRONT YARD AND THEN GO UP THE HILL AND DUMP THEIR LOADS. 
          I DON'T NEED THAT ANYMORE. 
          I REALLY DON'T WANT THE NOISE OF 70 TRUCKS AGAIN. 
          HE ALSO HAD A HELICOPTER TAKE OUT SOME TREES. 
          SO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS HOUSE IS REMINDING ME THAT THIS IS ALL GONNA HAPPEN AGAIN. 
          UM, THAT'S MY MAIN CONCERN. 
          THE NOISE, THE CEMENT TRUCKS, WHAT TIME DO YOU REALLY START? 7:00 AM IS WHEN THEY START, BUT THE TRUCKS START LINING UP AT SIX. 
          I 
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WORK FROM HOME AND I ALSO WORK AT RAYTHEON BY THE, BY THE AIRPORT. 
          THAT BUILDING OUT THERE TWO DAYS HERE, TWO DAYS HERE, I NEED MY REST. 
          BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN I DO WORK FROM HOME, I START AROUND EIGHT. 
          I DON'T NEED TO WAKE UP AT SIX BECAUSE I GOT CEMENT TRUCKS PARKED OUT IN FRONT OF MY YARD AND THEY'RE ALL GABBING THROWING TRASH IN MY YARD. 
          I DON'T NEED THAT. 
          THERE WILL BE A TRAFFIC ISSUE. 
          AND WE HAD FATALITIES ON GRAND ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO. 
          NOT BECAUSE SOMEBODY WAS BUILDING A HOUSE, BUT BECAUSE WHEN PEOPLE HAVE TO PUT UP A TRAFFIC ON GRAND, THEY GET MAD, THEY GET ANGRY, TRAFFIC BUILDS UP. 
          PEOPLE START MAKING THREE LANES INSTEAD OF TWO. 
          YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO TAKE A CEMENT TRUCK DOWN THAT DRIVEWAY, 10 OF THEM AT ONE TIME AND POUR AND POUR AND GO AND GO MODERNIZATION TYPE HOME. 
          MY FIANCE DOES HOMES LIKE THAT. 
          SHE'S AN ARCHITECT. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE DONE, ESPECIALLY ON THE SITE. 
          SO THERE'S A LOT OF EXTRA CONSTRUCTION, THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER MAJOR THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON. 
          UM, I'M REALLY WORRIED ABOUT WHEN THEY'RE GONNA START BUILDING THE HOUSE. 
          WHEN THEY'RE GONNA BE DONE WITH THE HOUSE. 
          ARE THEY GONNA WORK ON WEEKENDS? ARE THEY GONNA WORK ON HOLIDAYS? I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO ENJOY JULY 4TH IN MY BACKYARD WITHOUT HEARING THE GUY BEHIND ME RUNNING A CHAINSAW. 
          THOSE ARE MY ISSUES RIGHT NOW. 
          THERE'S THERE AND YOU KNOW, I DON'T LIKE TO POINT OUT PROBLEMS WITHOUT SAYING I GOT A SOLUTION. 
          THERE NEEDS, IF THERE'S GOING TO, IF THIS HOUSE IS ACTUALLY GONNA BE CONSTRUCTED, THERE HAS TO BE SOME, I DON'T WHAT YOU CALL 'EM WAIVERS OR SOME RULE CHANGES TO HELP PUT THIS HOUSE IN BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME SAFETY ISSUES. 
          I AND I, I REALLY DON'T WANT THERE TO BE ANY FATALITIES. 
          PLANNING IS HOW CONSTRUCTION IS DONE. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          BUT IT HAS TO INTERACT WITH THE COMMUNITY AND HOW THINGS GET DONE. 
          OTHERWISE IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING. 
          UM, MY OTHER LAST COMMENT WAS, UM, WHEN PEOPLE ARE BUILDING THINGS, WE AREN'T ABLE TO GET AHOLD OF CITY HALL AND SAY YOU'VE GOT A PROBLEM. 
          I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW I, ON FRIDAY, SATURDAY AND SUNDAY, NO ONE'S AVAILABLE. 
          DO I CALL THE COPS? AM I GONNA KEEP CALLING THE COPS ON MONDAY? ON FRIDAY? AM I GONNA CALL THE COPS ON SATURDAY? AM I GONNA CALL ON SUNDAY? YOU KNOW, THESE GUYS ARE GOING BEFORE SEVEN, THEY'RE HERE AFTER SEVEN. 
          WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO? SO I'M COMING IN AT A TANGENT. 
          I REALIZE THESE FOLKS HAVE SOME REALLY BIG WORRIES IN TERMS OF PRIVACY. 
          I'M ON THE SIDE OF THE CLIENTS SO I'M OKAY ON THE PRIVACY AND I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION AND THE SAFETY OF THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY ARE JOINING. 
          CUZ WE'RE A PRETTY GOOD COMMUNITY. 
          YOU KNOW, WE ALL GET ALONG THE, THE FOOD THAT GETS DELIVERED TO THE CLIENTS, I END UP EATING IT, BUT THEY PAY FOR IT. 
          . 
          , THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          YOU HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. 
          ALL RIGHT, NEXT UP IS DEBRA ZARAGOZA AND I BELIEVE THAT'S OUR, OUR LAST SPEAKER. 
          HI, MY NAME IS DEORA OSA. 
          UM, SO WHERE THE LONG PART IS RIGHT THERE IN 2017, I BOUGHT, UM, THAT PART OF THAT PROPERTY BECAUSE I WAS PLANNING ON BUYING THE PART THAT, UM, WE'RE NOW SPEAKING ABOUT NOW. 
          BUT I WINDED UP, UM, BUYING ANOTHER PROPERTY, UM, OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS I'VE BEEN PUTTING UP FOR CELL SCIENCE TO SELL THAT PROPERTY AND THEY'RE ALWAYS REMOVED. 
          SO, UM, I'M HERE BECAUSE I OWN PART OF THAT AND IF THEY WANT TO BUILD THERE, THE SINGLE STORIES, LIKE THE REST OF THE RESIDENTS ARE REQUESTING THAT THEY DO, THEY NEED TO BUY MY PART SO I CAN BE DONE WITH THIS. 
          UM, LIKE I SAID, I, I KEEP PUTTING UP FOR CELL SIGNS. 
          THEY KEEP REMOVING IT. 
          UM, I HAVE CAN YOU TAKE THAT OVER THERE SO THEY CAN SEE THIS IS WHAT THE PROPERTY THAT THEY TALK ABOUT, LIKE THE NARROW PART MM-HMM. 
          , UM, USED TO LOOK LIKE PRIOR TO THEM GRADING IT AND IT IS A TIGHT FIT. 
          SO, UM, I WOULD, I WOULD BE KIND OF CURIOUS TO ALSO KNOW HOW A CEMENT TRUCK, UM, TRUCKS PERIOD WOULD BE ABLE TO GET DOWN THERE BECAUSE IT IS SO TIGHT. 
          SORRY, JUST TO, JUST TO CLARIFY, I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT, BUT THIS IS, THIS IS YOUR PROPERTY. 
          UM, CAN I USE YOU TO THE POINTER? I'M GONNA LOOK UP THE ZONING MARK PA THE GREEN WATER. 
          UM, SHE THE, I'LL BE PUTTING UP THE ZONING MA RIGHT NOW. 
          HEY, WHAT ARE DOING THAT? YOU CAN ALWAYS, ALWAYS REPORT COMPLAINTS ON THE WEST SCREEN APP. 
          I KNOW SOME OF THE SPEAKERS 
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HAVE ADDRESSED, UH, HOW THEY CAN MAKE COMPLAINTS. 
          SO ONE OF THE GREATEST THINGS THAT OUR CITY HAS IS AN ONLINE APP THAT YOU COULD GET FROM THE APPLE STORE OR THE ANDROID ANDROID STORE. 
          IT'S A FREE APP WHERE YOU COULD MAKE COMPLAINTS ABOUT CODE ENFORCEMENT COMPLAINTS, CITY SERVICES, REQUESTS TO CUT CITY TREES, ALL KINDS OF STUFF. 
          SO JUST TO PUT THAT OUT THERE. 
          SO WHERE SHE IS GOING DOWN THE LINE, UM, I OWN PART OF THAT PROPERTY THERE AND LIKE I SAID, I'VE PUT FOR SALE SIGNS UP, UM, FOR THEM TO HAVE TO BUY THAT PART SINCE THEY BOUGHT THE OTHER PART MM-HMM. 
          , UM, THAT'S IGNORED AND THEN THEY WENT AHEAD ANYWAY AND PUT UP THE UM, THE DRIVEWAY PART. 
          AND PERSONALLY I FEEL LIKE THAT IF THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD THERE, THEN THEY NEED TO BUY THAT PART OR TO UM, OWN ALL OF IT. 
          HOW MANY, EXCUSE ME, HOW WIDE IS THAT PART? UM, IT'S LIKE, UM, WELL IT'S, IT'S CUZ IT'S NARROW. 
          IT GOES LENGTHWISE. 
          SO IT'S, UH, 15, 1500 ON MY TITLE. 
          HMM. 
          45. 
          ALTHOUGH I GUESS THE RIGHT FOR THE WIDTH, 45. 
          LET ME SEE IF, SEE THAT ON THE PHONE. 
          IT'S APPROXIMATELY POINT 45 FEET WIDE. 
          OH, IT'S 45 FEET WIDE 0.45. 
          OH, GOTCHA. 
          OKAY. 
          SO LIKE HALF A FOOT? IT'S HALF A FOOT WIDE. 
          HALF A FOOT WIDE. 
          YES. 
           A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN SIX INCHES. 
          YOU IN FEET, BUT, OKAY. 
          BUT LIKE I SAID, WHEN I FIRST PURCHASED THIS, I WAS INTENDING ON BUYING THE PART, THE OTHER PART THE, YEAH. 
          AND THEN I'LL WIND UP BUYING ANOTHER PROPERTY. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY THING. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, NOW WE WILL, UH, REBUTTAL FROM THE APPLICANT. 
          UM, MR. FONG ACTUALLY HEARING THE NEIGHBORS COMMENT AND CONCERN, I CAN SEE THAT THEY HAVE ENJOYED THAT FREE VIEW ALL THESE YEARS, BUT, BUT THE PROPERTY THAT THE OWNER PURCHASED IS, IS A LEGAL SIDE THAT WE CAN BUILD. 
          AND TO BE FAIR, THEY, UH, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT MEETS THEIR EXPECTATION AND, AND ALSO, UM, MEETING THE CITY'S REQUIREMENT, NOT ONLY PLANNING BUT ALSO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S REQUIREMENT. 
          SO, UH, AT THIS POINT I'M LEAVING IT UP TO THE COMMITTEE TO DECIDE HOW WE SHOULD PROCEED ON THIS PROJECT. 
          YOU KNOW, UH, GOING ONE STORY IS NOT POSSIBLE. 
          YOU HAVE A BIG SITE LIKE THAT. 
          YOU ONLY HAVE MAYBE LIKE 1800 SQUARE FEET THAT YOU CAN BUILD BECAUSE OF ALL THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS. 
          AND, UH, SO IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE OWNER. 
          UH, BUT, UH, AGAIN, I, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE NEIGHBORS CONCERNED, THEY, THEY HAVE ENJOYED THE SI THE VIEW ALL THESE YEARS. 
          UM, AND THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY. 
          IT'S UP TO THE COMMITTEE TO DECIDE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? YES. 
          UH, HOW MANY SQUARE FEET, HOW MANY SQUARE FEET ARE ON THE TOP LEVEL? UH, I, I DIDN'T MEASURE IT AT, AT, ON THE SECOND FLOOR LEVEL. 
          IT SHOULD. 
          IT'S IN THE REPORT, IT'S IN THE FLOOR. 
          IT SHOULD BE ABOVE MAYBE SEVEN, 800 SQUARE FEET. 
          SQUARE FEET. 
          SO YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S 2000 SQUARE FEET ON THE BOTTOM AND A THOUSAND ON TOP, RIGHT? 2000 AND A THOUSAND. 
          WE HAVE ANY, NOT COUNTING ANY SPECS ON THIS HOME. 
          I MEAN, MY QUESTION IS, IS THERE ANY, SO BECAUSE OF THE SETBACKS, YOU, THERE'S NO WAY THAT YOU CAN INCORPORATE THE TOP FLOOR TO THE ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          NO WAY. 
          YOU SEE ANYTHING? FOUR DIMENSIONS. 
          THEY HAVE THE OVERALL DIMENSION. 
          YOU LOOK AT, UH, I'M SORRY. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT A ONE THE FIRST ON THE OTHER RIGHT DESCRIPTION, YOU SEE SOME SQUARE FOOTAGES, RIGHT? IT SAYS THE NEW RESIDENCE IS 3000 SQUARE FEET. 
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BUT HE DIDN'T BREAK, I GUESS WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR. 
          YOU WERE LOOKING FOR THEM TO SHOW THE FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR. 
          YEAH. 
          IT FOR THE MAIN HOUSE. 
          THEY'RE SAYING OVERALL IT'S ONLY GONNA BE 3000 SQUARE FEET. 
          RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT I SAW. 
          BUT I WAS JUST WONDERING IF IT WAS TO BE, COULD THAT 3000 GO INTO ONE FLOOR OR DOES IT HAVE TO BE A SECOND STORY? BECAUSE WHAT HE'S SAYING IS THE SETBACKS DON'T ALLOW PEACEFUL 2000 SQUARE FEET. 
          THIS, THE OWNER DOES. 
          IT DOES. 
          NONE OF THE STICKS THAT ARE IN PLACE REPRESENT THE HEIGHT. 
          RIGHT? THE STORY POLES REPRESENT THE HEIGHT WE'RE ASKING STAFF. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, THE STORY, THE STORY POLES INSTALLED ARE MEANT TO REPRESENT THE TOTAL HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING, WHICH WOULD BE THE, SO SOME OF THE YES. 
          AND SO, UH, AND THE QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT AT M E CITY STAFF HAVE CONFIRMED THIS, BUT SO IS THIS HOUSE BEING BUILT ON A SLOPE THEN? UM, FROM, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THEY, THEY PLAN ON GRADING DOWN. 
          IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS, IF THE PLAN, IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS WILLING TO APPROVE THE PROJECT, UM, IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT YOU CAN INCLUDE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT REQUIRES THE APPLICANT TO GRADE DOWN, UM, AND PROVIDE A TOPOGRAPHICAL MAP AND SURVEY TO ENSURE THAT THAT, THAT THE, THE GRADE OF THE BUILDING PAD IS GO, IS GOING TO BE AT THE LOWEST, UM, I GUESS CORNER OF, UH, OF THE EXISTING GRADE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          BUT YOU SAID THAT THE STORY POLLS ARE STILL, THEY'RE ON THE SITE. 
          YES, THEY'RE ON THE SITE BECAUSE IT WOULD PRO, TO BE HONEST, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE HELPFUL FOR US TO ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY BE ABLE TO GO OUT THERE MM-HMM. 
           TO REALLY GET AN UNDERSTANDING. 
          CUZ IT SOUNDS LIKE NOT ALL OF THE PROPERTY IS FLAT. 
          AND THEN FOR US TO UNDERSTAND HOW THEY'RE GONNA POSITION THE BUILDING AND SO THAT WE MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE VIEWS ARE GONNA LOOK LIKE. 
          AND I JUST WANNA SAY THERE IS FROM JOE'S PROPERTY TO MINE, THERE IS A SECURITY. 
          WE'RE WE'RE, WE'RE NOW IN, WE'RE NOW IN COMMISSION DISCUSSION. 
          THE PUBLIC HEARING'S CLOSED. 
          ALL RIGHT, GO AHEAD. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT WAS, CAN I SEE THE, THE, THE PICTURE, THE PICTURE WITH THE P THE, THE STICKS AGAIN MEASUREMENTS, THE BLUE TARP. 
          HOW ABOUT ALONG WITH THE BLUE TARP HAS, HAS LIKE A BLUE TARP ON THE GATE OR FENCE? IT'S IT, UM, I'D LIKE TO ADD SOMETHING. 
          IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO SEE THE STORY POLE FROM THE PICTURES FROM DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE AND ANGLES. 
          AND I WAS WONDERING IF WE GET PERMISSIONS FROM THE OWNER, IF HE CAN GO TO THE PRIVATE LOTS AND, AND TAKE A LOOK FROM THERE. 
          THIS IS, SINCE THIS IS A MM-HMM. 
           A FLAG SHAPE LOT, UM, WITH PRIVACY ISSUES AND WHAT HAVE YOU, WE, WE LIKE IF POSSIBLE TO GO SEE IT BECAUSE WE SEE FROM DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE. 
          NOW I DON'T KNOW IF THE STORE POLE WAS BUILT BASED ON A SURVEY OR WAS IT PUT UP BECAUSE SOME OF THE OWNERS ARE SAYING FOUR FEET, SOME ARE SAYING I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE SETBACK IS. 
          UM, SO IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT FOR US TO MAKE A DECISIONS THIS PARTICULAR EVENING. 
          SO PERHAPS, UM, INSTEAD OF LOOKING JUST AT PICTURES AND WE'RE GUESSING WHAT THE DIMENSIONS ARE AND SINCE THE STORY POLES ARE STILL UP THERE, MAYBE PERHAPS WE CAN, I'LL GO OUT THERE AND TAKE A LOOK AND ALSO FROM DIFFERENT PER PERSPECTIVE OF EACH OWNER SURROUNDING THE AREA AS WELL. 
          SO IF YOU CAN GET THOSE PERMISSION, THAT'D BE WONDERFUL. 
          CUZ THAT AREA IS SOME AREA, SOME OF THE HOMES ARE PRETTY HEAVILY GATED AND NO BELS. 
          SO CAN I ASK THE STAFF, I'M SORRY. 
          WHY IS THERE 16 FOOT, EIGHT INCH SETBACK ON THE WEST SIDE AND THERE'S 30 FEET, UH, FOOT SETBACK ON THE EAST SIDE? I MEAN, WOULD THAT BE ABLE TO BE EXPANDED THAT SETBACK ON THE, ON THE EAST SIDE? PLEASE LET US, LET US DISCUSS PLEASE. 
          UM, IN TERMS OF THE LOCATION THAT WOULD BE DEPENDENT ON THE APPLICANT, IF THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO RELOCATE IT TO, I GUESS MORE TO THE, TO THE EAST, BUT THEY'RE NOT RESTRICTED TO HAVE THE 30, THAT 30. 
          SO THEY COULD GO TO A SHORTER SETBACK, CORRECT? YES. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          CAN YOU CLARIFY JOANNE, IF THE SETBACK FOR THE SI, WHICH IS THE TOP PORTION WITH THAT? THE MINIMUM SETBACK IS 
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FIVE FEET AND THEN THE BOTTOM PORTION DOES YOU HAVE A CLICKER. 
          CAN YOU POINT IT TO THAT PORTION? SO THE TOP PORTION RIGHT THERE. 
          SO THE MINIMUM SETBACK IS IT'S, IT'S FIVE FEET, IS THAT CORRECT? UM, JOANNE? NO, THE, UM, THE, FOR A SECOND FLOOR, THE MINIMUM SETBACK IS 10 FEET. 
          AND FOR FIRST FLOOR, FIRST FLOOR FIVE, IS IT SEVEN? IT'S, HOLD ON. 
          I BELIEVE IT'S FIVE. 
          WHAT AREA DISTRICT IS THIS? THREE. 
          THREE? IT'S FIVE. 
          IT'S I BELIEVE FIVE. 
          AND THEN CAN YOU ALSO CLICK ON THE DOWN, UH, THE LOWER PORTION, WHICH IS, OKAY, BACK TO THE SETBACK. 
          SO THE LOWER PORTION, THAT SECTION RIGHT THERE, UM, IT'S ALSO FIVE FEET SETBACK. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? FOR ONE STORY AND TWO STORY WOULD BE 10. 
          THAT'S THE MINIMUM? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN THE BACK PORTION, IF IT'S ONE STORY, WOULD THAT BE A FIVE FEET SETBACK? UM, THE MINIMUM SETBACK FOR A ONE STORY AT THE REAR IS FIVE FEET. 
          HOWEVER, YOU WOULD HAVE TO MAINTAIN A, UM, 40, 40%, UM, REAR YARD LOCK COVERAGE. 
          SO YES, THEY CAN, FOR A SINGLE STORY THEY CAN GO UP TO FIVE FEET FROM THE REAR PROPERTY. 
          LINE TWO STORY FOR TWO STORY. 
          HOW MANY, UM, WHAT'S THE SETBACK FOR THE REAR? IT'S 25 FEET. 
          25 FEET MINIMUM. 
          AND SINCE THIS IS A DIAGONAL, DO YOU 25 FEET FROM HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          A DIA YOU TAKE A DIAGONAL AS WELL? YES, FROM THE CLOSEST POINT. 
          CLOSEST. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THERE AREN'T RESTRICTIONS THAT WOULD KEEP THEM FROM CONVERTING THE 3000 SQUARE FOOT HOME TO A ONE STORY. 
          IT'S A 22,000 PLUS LOT AND A 3000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE DOESN'T SEEM LIKE, I MEAN ALSO YOU SEE YOU HAVE THE GARAGE THAT IS IN FRONT, YOU KNOW, AND THEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER SETBACK TO THE HOUSE. 
          WHY CAN'T THE HOUSE BE BROUGHT FORWARD? SOME FOR, TO KEEP THE PRIVACY TO THE HOMES IN THE BACK? UM, THE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT REQUIRES THIS TURNAROUND. 
          NO, I GET IT. 
          BUT IF YOU SEE FOR THE GARAGES AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY SQUARE FEET IT IS, BUT THEN IT GOES BACK RIGHT THERE. 
          THAT IS PART OF THE FIRE APPARATUS ROAD THAT'S REQUIRED BY FIRE. 
          THAT PART TO ALLOW THEM THERE TO ALLOW FOR THEM THE VEHICLE TO TURN. 
          BUT IF YOU LOOK THAT'S JUST THE 50 FEET, NO, THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO IN AND BEND BACK UP. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IS THERE, OR IS, OR IS IT NOT THE RE RESTRICTED TO, YOU KNOW, FOR HIM TO BUILD A 3000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE? IS HE RESTRICT, RESTRICTED TO THIS FLOOR PLAN WITH ALL THE SETBACKS OR IS THERE ROOM THERE MIGHT BE THERE, THERE MIGHT BE ROOM TO EXPAND THIS WAY AND ALSO THIS WAY AND THIS WAY AS WELL CLOSER TO THE PROPERTY LINE, BUT THAT MY REAR IN THEIR VIEWS WORSE  AND HAVE EVERYTHING, YOU EITHER WANT ONE STORY OR YOU KNOW MM-HMM. 
          , CAN I SEE THE PICTURE WITH THE, THAT FA THE BLUE TARP WITH THE STICKS? BECAUSE THAT GIVES US A BETTER VIEW OF, LET'S JUST SAY IF IT'S BLOCKING SOMEONE'S HEIGHT. 
          NOT THE, UH, ANOTHER ONE. 
          THAT ONE I THINK. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IT'S NOT GONNA BLOCK, UH, THOSE STICKS ARE NOT, UH, OKAY. 
          ZOOM MEMOS TO THAT WOULD BE FROM THE PROPERTY ON, ON ACREAGE. 
          SO IT'S NOT BLOCKING YEAH, IT'S IT'S NOT BLOCKING. 
          THEY STILL HAVE THE VIEW OF THE MOUNTAINS OF THE TREES. 
          AND ALSO, UM, THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF ANY HOUSE IN, IN WEST COVIN IS 25 FEET. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND THIS HOUSE IS 22 FEET, CORRECT? I BELIEVE. 
          2021. 
          1 21. 
          SO JOANNE, ARE YOU SAYING THAT EVEN DESPITE IF THEY WERE TO BUILD A ONE STORY, THEY CAN ACTUALLY REACH 21 FEET AS, I MEAN 25 FEET MAXIMUM IF IT IS SLOPED? YES. 
          THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE A MAXIMUM HEIGHT FOR A ONE STORY. 
          THE MAXIMUM HEIGHTS WOULD BE, EVEN IF IT'S ONE STORY, IT WOULD BE 25 FEET. 
          IF, IF IF THEY CHOSE TO DESIGN IT THAT WAY WITH A STEEP, HIGH STEEP ROOF, THEN YES, BUT BECAUSE THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE A MA UM, A MAXIMUM HEIGHT FOR A SINGLE STORY, WE ONLY HAVE A MA MAXIMUM OVERALL HEIGHT OF 25 FEET. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO IT WOULD BE A ONE STORY WITH A REALLY HIGH, ROUGH AND ATTIC. 
          SO 
          [02:10:01]
IT, IT WOULD BE LIKE A, I GUESS ATU STYLE HOUSE. 
          YEAH. 
          WOULD HAVE VAULTED CEILINGS. 
          IF IT'S ONE STORY IN 21 2, THE CITY ATTORNEY WANTED TO OPINE HERE. 
          , THANK YOU CHAIR. 
          I, I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THE COMMISSION'S AWARE, AND I'M SURE YOU ARE, BUT ALSO THE PUBLIC, THAT THIS DOES COME UNDER THE HOUSING ACCOUNTABILITY ACT, THIS PROJECT. 
          UM, AND THE STATE HAS SIGNIFICANTLY LIMITED LOCAL AUTHORITY WHEN IT COMES TO HOUSING. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , I'M NOT SURE THE PUBLIC IS AWARE OF THAT. 
          UH, ONE EXAMPLE BEING THE, NOT CONSIDERING THE ADU BECAUSE THE STATE HAS TAKEN THAT AUTHORITY AWAY FROM YOU GUYS. 
          THE HOUSING ACCOUNTABILITY ACT APPLIES TO THE REST OF THIS PROJECT. 
          UH, AND THAT ACT BASICALLY SAYS THAT, UH, COMMISSION MUST APPROVE PROJ HOUSING PROJECTS IF THEY COMPLY WITH OBJECTIVE LOCAL STANDARDS. 
          SO IT'S AN IMPORTANT DISCUSSION YOU'RE HAVING. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU'RE AWARE THAT YOU'RE HAVING IT IN CONTEXT OF WHETHER THIS PROJECT COMPLIES WITH YOUR LOCAL OBJECTIVE STANDARDS. 
          IF THEY DO COMPLY, YOU MUST APPROVE IT. 
          UH, IF YOU WANT TO DENY THE PROJECT, YOU DO HAVE TO MAKE FINDING THAT THERE IS A, UM, A THREAT TO PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY AND IT HAS TO BE BACKED UP BY SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE. 
          SO YOU DO HAVE SOME, UH, LEEWAY IN THERE. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE, UH, IN THE RIGHT, HAVING THE RIGHT CONVERSATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND A QUESTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY. 
          SO THAT MEANS WE DON'T HAVE AUTHORITY TO TELL 'EM TO, UH, FLATTEN THE, THE LOG THEN, CAUSE IT'S NOT IN OUR ORDINANCES, RIGHT? IT'S NOT WITHIN THE CODE. 
          IF IT CURRENTLY, IF IT COMPLIES WITH THE CODE AS IT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN AND IT'S OBJECTIVE, YOU HAVE TO AGREE. 
          EXACTLY. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          NOW IT, YOU, YOU'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT WHETHER THERE'S ROOM TO ASK THEM TO SHIFT THE PROJECT A LITTLE BIT, AND IF, IF THEY CAN DO THAT AND IT COMPLIES WITH THE CODE, YOU MAY HAVE SOME LEEWAY YOU CAN TALK TO THE APPLICANT ABOUT THAT. 
          UH, THERE IS ALSO A LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF PUBLIC HEARINGS, UH, OF HOUSING PROJECTS . 
          SO, UH, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF WE CONTINUE THIS, THAT'S, THAT'S ONE LESS PUBLIC HEARING. 
          UH, AND, AND THAT INCLUDES GOING TO THE COUNCIL. 
          SO JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, I THINK I'D ACTUALLY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY, UM, TAKE A LOOK AT THE SITES. 
          YEAH, WE CAN ALSO, THE NEIGHBORS AREA, SINCE SOME OF OUR COMMISSIONERS HAVE NOT GOTTEN A CHANCE TO GO IN AND SINCE IT'S SUCH AN ENCLOSED LOT AS WELL, I THINK THE CITY ATTORNEY JUST MADE A LEGAL, UH, THE CITY ATTORNEY JUST MADE A LEGAL ANALYSIS. 
          I, I'LL JUST INQUIRE MR. CITY ATTORNEY FOR OUR, OUR, OUR OWN EDIFICATION HERE. 
          HOW MANY PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE WE LIMITED TO? FOUR. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, IT INCLUDES APPEALS. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I THINK BASED UPON WHERE WE'RE AT, WE'RE PROBABLY OKAY IF WE, IF, IF WE DECIDE TO CONTINUE THIS FOR, FOR, UH, CONSIDERATION OF THE PROPERTY IN PERSON, UM, YOU KNOW, O OBVIOUSLY I'LL DOVETAIL OFF OF WHAT THE CITY ATTORNEY HAD TO SAY. 
          UM, AND I, YOU KNOW, MY, MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS I, I, I SEE THESE, THESE TYPES OF LOTS, UM, AND RIGHT NOW, AS A MATTER OF RIGHT, YOU CAN SPLIT THEM IN HALF AND WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT THAT. 
          AS A MATTER OF FACT, DOWN DOWN THE STREET, THIS WAS A PROJECT THAT WAS, THAT WAS ALREADY, UH, THAT ALREADY CAME UNDER OUR PURVIEW AND WE HAD A LOT JUST THIS SIZE THAT WAS SPLIT IN HALF. 
          AND IT'S UNFORTUNATE, CERTAINLY TAKES AWAY FROM THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA HAVE VOTED FOR, AND WE HAVE TO RESPECT THAT. 
          SO, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL SAY THIS. 
          I'M, I PERSONALLY THINK THAT BASED UPON MY OWN REVIEW OF, OF HOW THE, THE FLAGPOLES ARE, UM, THAT WERE, THAT WERE SET UP, I HAVE SOME SERIOUS QUESTIONS AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S A, AN ACCURATE REPRESENTATION OF, OF WHAT I SEE ON THE, ON THE PLANS THAT I'VE BEEN GIVEN. 
          BUT, UM, I OBVIOUSLY HAVE THOSE CONCERNS GIVEN THE FACT THAT, UM, ALSO, UH, EXCUSE ME, I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THIS, UM, JUST GIVEN THE FACT THAT THE STATE HAS, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY HAMSTRUNG, UH, OUR ABILITY TO MAKE DETERMINATIONS, UH, LIKE THIS. 
          SO, UM, WITH THAT IS, IS THERE A MOTION I, ID ACTUALLY LIKE TO ADD, UM, TO A QUICK CORRECTION. 
          I SAID FOUR HEARINGS. 
          IT'S ACTUALLY FIVE HEARINGS. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          EVEN BETTER . 
          MM-HMM. 
          , ID ACTUALLY LIKE TO ADD, UM, TO COMMISSIONER LEWIS, UM, COMMENTS REGARDING THE STATE TAKING UP SOME OF THE RIGHTS FROM, UM, CITI. 
          ONE OF THEM WAS IF YOU AS A HOMEOWNERS, IF YOU WANNA CHECK IT OUT SINCE YOU'RE HERE, IS REGARDING THE ADU U ORDINANCE. 
          SO IF YOU CHECK THAT OUT. 
          AND 
          [02:15:01]
ALSO REGARDING THE LOT SPLIT, I THINK IT'S SB NINE, I THINK NINE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO IF YOU LOOK UP AN SB NINE, THEN THAT WOULD BE REGARDING THE LOT SPLIT, UM, THAT ANY OWNER IN CALIFORNIA CAN DO THAT SINGLE RESIDENTIAL. 
          SO I DON'T PLEASE READ UP ON THOSE, UM, STATE ORDINANCES OR STATE LAW. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          LAW, UM, THERE'S A NUMBER OF OTHER BILLS OUT THERE, . 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          THAT'S QUITE A FEW, FEW THAT WAS PASSED. 
          UH, SO I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER HANG HAD A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS SO THAT WE COULD GO OUT AND DO A SITE VISIT AND THEN RETURN AS, UH, I, I BELIEVE AS EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE, UM, FOR WHATEVER THE NEXT HEARING, UH, DATE IS. 
          UH, IS THERE A SECOND? DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL MAKE THE SECOND A MOTION. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WE HAVE, UH, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE COMMISSION? SEEING NONE. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER, HANG SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS. UH, JOANNE, ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          I'M SORRY, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT THE MOTION IS TO CONTINUE TO AATE CERTAIN, UM, WITH SEPTEMBER, UH, WITH FEBRUARY 28TH BE OKAY. 
          UM, APPLICANT WOULD FEBRUARY 28TH BE OKAY WITH YOU? THE 28TH YES. 
          OF FEBRUARY. 
          IS THAT THE EIGHTH OR SITE VISIT? NO, THAT IS FOR, FOR THE NEXT PUBLIC HEARING. 
          THE SITE VISIT WOULD BE IN BETWEEN THOSE DATES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO A DATE IS CERTAIN A FEBRUARY 28TH IN ROLL CALL. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER HANG. 
          AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER BE AYE. 
          VICE CHAIR GUTIERREZ. 
          AYE. 
          CHAIR LEWIS? AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          FIVE ZERO. 
          UM, CAN I ADD SOMETHING TO JOANNE? CAN, IF YOU COULD WORK WITH THE HOMEOWNERS, UM, TO SEE IF WE CAN GET PERMISSION THROUGH THEIR GATES AS WELL, THE ONE THAT WANT US TO SEE FROM THEIR BACKYARD SIDE, YARD, OR FRONT YARD? SURE. 
          YEAH. 
          I TH I THINK WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN, UM, I'LL JUST MAKE A COMMENT TOO. 
          MAYBE, UH, JUST ENCO I'LL JUST ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT, UH, TO POSSIBLY GET SOME INPUT FROM THE NEIGHBORS, AND MAYBE THAT'S ADDING MORE GREENERY AROUND THE, THE WALLS, THE WALL AREAS AND SO FORTH. 
          AND, AND I WILL ENCOURAGE THE NEIGHBORS TO UNDERSTAND THE CONSTRAINTS THE COMMISSION HAS IN RELATION TO STATE LAWS ARE IN PLACE, AND TO, HOPEFULLY YOU GUYS CAN WORK TOGETHER TO COME TO COMMON SENSE ON THAT. 
          IF WE HAVE TO FOLLOW STATE LAW, THEN WHAT ELSE CAN BE DONE? MAYBE IT'S ADDING MORE TREES OR MONEY, UH, OR ADDING MORE PLA UH, GREENERY AROUND THE PROPERTY, SO, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          TOO, I'M SORRY TO CLARIFY. 
          I, I, UM, IF IT IS OKAY FOR PLANNING STAFF TO PROVIDE THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS WITH THE CONTACT INFORMATION OF THAT WE HAVE OF THE NEIGHBORS, AND ALSO, IF IT'S OKAY FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS TO PROVIDE THE CONTACT INFORMATION OF THE APPLICANT, AND WHEN THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS DO GO OUT ON THE SITE, THEY CAN, THERE CANNOT BE MORE THAN TWO COMMISSIONERS AT THE SAME TIME. 
          SO ALSO, PLEASE KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN YOU DO SCHEDULE APPOINTMENTS. 
          I, I ALSO WANT TO MAKE ABUNDANTLY CLEAR, AT LEAST FROM MY STANDPOINT AS AS A COMMISSIONER, I AM NOT ASKING THE APPLICANT TO DO ANYTHING ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT THE LAW REQUIRES. 
          MOVING 
          [6. FINDING OF CONFORMANCE WITH THE CITY'S GENERAL PLAN FOR VACATION OF A 1,801 SQ. FT. PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE CORNER OF VINCENT AVENUE AND WEST GARVEY AVENUE NORTH]
ON, UH, TO, UH, TO ITEM NUMBER SIX, UH, FINDING OF CONFORMANCE WITH THE CITY, THE CITY'S GENERAL PLAN FOR A VACATION OF AN 1,801 SQUARE FOOT PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE CORNER OF VINCENT AVENUE AND WEST COVIN AND WEST GARVEY AVENUE NORTH. 
          JOANNE, WHO WILL READ THE, UH, STAFF REPORT? I WILL BE PROVIDING THE STAFF REPORT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR. 
          THE PROPERTY TO BE VACATED IS A 101,000, EXCUSE ME. 
          EVERY, EXCUSE ME, EVERYONE, IF IT, I, I UNDERSTAND EVERYONE PROBABLY WANTS TO HAVE A DISCUSSION. 
          IF YOU, IF YOU CAN MAKE YOUR WAY UPSTAIRS, WE WOULD APPRECIATE IT SO WE CAN CONTINUE CONDUCTING THE MEETING. 
          HAVE A GOOD NIGHT, EVERYONE. 
          GOOD NIGHT, CASEY. 
          [02:20:04]
JOANNE, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. 
          OKAY. 
          THE PROPERTY TO BE VACATED IS A 1,801 SQUARE FEET AND IS LOCATED ON THE CORNER OF VINCENT AVENUE AND WEST GARVEY AVENUE NORTH. 
          THE RED, HI. 
          THE AREA HIGHLIGHTED IN RED, A ZONE CHANGE, GENERAL PLAN, AMENDMENT, PRECISE PLAN, AND IT TENTATIVE TRACK MAP WAS APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL ON JULY 20TH, 2021 THAT ALLOWED FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF A 119 UNIT MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PROJECT AT THE FORMER VINCENT SCHOOL SITE. 
          THE ZONE CHANGE AND GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT REZONED THE PROPERTY TO VINCENT PLACE SPECIFIC PLAN AND CHANGED LAND USE DESIGNATION TO MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. 
          AND THIS WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL PACKET THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL REVIEWED, WHICH CLEARLY INDICATED THAT THE CITY OF WEST COVINA TO ABANDON APPROXIMATELY. 
          IN, IN HERE IT SAYS 1,814 SQUARE FEET OF VACANT LAND, BUT THE CITY DID A SURVEY AND IT'S 1,801 SQUARE FOOT. 
          UM, PRIOR TO THE VACATION, A SEPARATE RE RESOLUTION WITH THE FINDING OF CONFORMANCE WHAT THE CITY'S GENERAL PLAN WAS, BE ADOPTED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND PUT PER STATE LAW. 
          HERE ARE THE GENERAL PLAN POLICIES AND ACTIONS THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PROPOSED VACATION. 
          THE VACATION IS NECESSAR IS, UM, POLICY 3.3 AND ACTION 3.3. 
          THE VACATION IS NECESSARY IN ORDER FOR THE PROPERTY TO BE INTEGRATED INTO AND MAINTAINED BY THE MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. 
          THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WAS PREVIOUSLY USED AS PART OF THE FORMER SCHOOL'S GRASS FIELD THAT WAS FENCED IN INTO THE SCHOOL PROPERTY. 
          THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WILL BE DEVELOPED WITH LANDSCAPING AND WALKWAYS FULL THE, FOR THE MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND WILL BE MAINTAINED BY THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION. 
          THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WILL ENHANCE THE AESTHETICS OF VINCENT AVENUE IN GARVEY AVENUE, UM, THE CORNER OF GARVEY AVENUE AND VINCENT AVENUE POLICY 5.1 IN ACTION. 
          5.1. 
          THE VACATION OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WILL NOT HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE LOCAL ROADWAY SYSTEM BECAUSE THE, AGAIN, THE PROPERTY WAS NOT PREVIOUSLY USED A AND IS NOT BEING USED FOR A STREET BIKE LANE OR PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY OR SIDEWALK. 
          THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WILL BE DEVELOPED WITH LANDSCAPING FOR THE MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT THAT THE O H O A WILL MAINTAIN. 
          THE MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WOULD INCLUDE INTERCONNECTED PRIVATE STREETS AND PEDESTRIAN WALKWAYS AND IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY AS WELL. 
          IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT PLANNING COMMISSION ADOPT RESOLUTION NUM NUMBER 23 DASH 6 1 22 TO DETERMINE THAT THE VACATION IS IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE GOALS AND POLICIES OF THE WEST COVINA GENERAL PLAN. 
          THE STAFF IS AVAILABLE IF, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS? I, I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION. 
          UM, WITH REGARD TO THE ABANDONMENT OF THIS PROPERTY, UM, WOULD IT NOT BE A, A BETTER LONG-TERM PLANNING MOVE TO, UM, TO GRANT THE PROPERTY TO THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION AND MAINTAIN SOME SORT OF EASEMENT IN THE EVENT THAT WE DO NEED? UM, WE DO NEED UTILITY ACCESS OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES IN THE FUTURE? THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY QUESTION AND AND CONSIDERATION THAT I, I WOULD WANT TO KNOW IF, IF STAFF HAD, UH, HAD GIVEN, UM, FROM MY UNDER UNDERSTANDING THIS, UM, THE CITY, THE CITY ENGINEERING DIVISION HAS LOOKED INTO, UM, THE, THE POTENTIAL MAINTENANCE OF THE SITE, UM, AND HAD, HAD FELT THAT THE BEST USE FOR THE SITE WOULD BE TO, TO VACATE THE, THE CITY OWNED PROPERTY. 
          UM, MAINLY BECAUSE IT WAS NE IT WASN'T USED, IT WAS NEVER USED AS A ROADWAY. 
          AND IT WAS, WAS, HAS HAD ALWAYS BEEN MAINTAINED BY THE SCHOOL, IT WAS GATED IN. 
          SO, UM, THAT THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD TAKE ANY LIABILITY OFF, UM, FROM THE CITY IN THE FUTURE. 
          UH, UN UNDERSTOOD. 
          BUT I, MY, MY QUESTION IS, IS MAINTAINING SOME SORT OF 
          [02:25:01]
EASEMENT FOR FUTURE USE IN THE, IN THE EVENT THAT THE CITY EVER NEEDS IT FOR SOME UNKNOWN PURPOSE, UM, PERHAPS, PERHAPS IT'S A, A BROAD EASEMENT RIGHT? SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. 
          HAS ANY, HAS ANYTHING LIKE THAT BEEN CONSIDERED? THAT'S, THAT'S MY ONLY QUESTION IS WHETHER IT HAD BEEN CONSIDERED AT ALL. 
          I, I'M NOT SURE. 
          OKAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THAT AREA YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS WATER CARRIER? YES. 
          BY VA. 
          IT, UH, VACATING IT. 
          UM, ARE WE, DO YOU THE PROPERTY FOR FREE  TO YES. 
           TO THEM? YES. 
          IN EXCHANGE FOR FREE 99, THEY HAD TO PAY FOR THE, THEY HAD TO PAY THE CITY IN ORDER TO FILE TO REQUEST FOR THE VACATION, CORRECT? UM, I'M, I'M NOT SURE. 
          I'M NOT SURE, UH, REGARDING THE LOGISTICS, UM, THAT IS AT THE CITY COUNCIL LEVEL. 
          UM, THIS FINDING IS NECESSARY IN ORDER FOR, FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO ACTUALLY MAKE THAT DECISION. 
          UM, IT WOULD GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL AT THE NEXT MEETING. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          OR GIMME A QUESTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY, BECAUSE THIS IS PUBLIC LAND, DOESN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PUBLIC BIDDING PROCESS. 
          CAN THE CITY JUST GIVE, GIVE AWAY A PIECE, A PIECE OF PROPERTY JUST LIKE THAT? UH, CITY. 
          SO BECAUSE THIS IS A VACATION, IT'S ESSENTIALLY LIKE AN ABANDONMENT OF AN EASEMENT. 
          SO IT'S NOT AN OUTRIGHT PROPERTY INTEREST. 
          UH, THERE IS EXPRESS STATUTORY AUTHORIZATION TO DO THAT IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES. 
          UM, SURPLUS LAND ACT DOESN'T APPLY CUZ IT'S SUCH A SMALL PORTION AND, UM, IT'S TYPICALLY NOT CONSIDERED A GIFT OF PUBLIC FUNDS AS LONG AS THE UNDERLYING PROJECT, WHICH IS, IS GOING TOWARDS, SERVES A PUBLIC INTEREST. 
          AND, AND AGAIN, THOSE ARE DETERMINATIONS THAT WILL BE MADE BY THE COUNCIL. 
          THAT'S BEFORE THE COMMISSION IS REALLY JUST A DETERMINATION. 
          DOES THIS CONFORM WITH THE GENERAL PLAN IN GENERAL? OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? 1000 801 1 SQUARE FEET. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO ASKING US TO DO WHAT? YOU'RE ASKING US TO DO WHAT TONIGHT? TO DETERMINE THAT THE VACATION IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S GENERAL PLAN. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT, UH, YEAH, IF WE GIVE THIS, IF, IF IT IS IN, UH, COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY'S GENERAL PLAN, THAT, THAT THEY MAINTAIN THE AREA, UH, LIKE THEY'RE, THEY, LIKE THEY WERE, LIKE THEY WERE ORIGINALLY GONNA GONNA DO, AND THAT THERE'S A ADEQUATE, ADEQUATE, UH, AMOUNT OF LIGHTNING LIGHTS IN THAT AREA. 
          UH, SO IT'S NOT PURE DARK LIKE IT LIKE IT HAS BEEN FOR MANY YEARS. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IS THERE A MOTION? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT, UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 23 1 22, DETERMINING THAT THE VACATION OF THE 1,801 SQUARE FEET PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE CORNER OF VINCENT AVENUE AND WEST GARVY AVENUE NORTH IS IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE GOALS AND POLICIES OF THE WEST COVINA GENERAL PLAN. 
          AND I'LL SECOND. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, JOANNE, ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS, SECOND BY VICE CHAIR GUTIERREZ. 
          COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS. AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER HANG. 
          AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER BE AYE. 
          VICE CHAIR GUTIERREZ. 
          AYE. 
          CHAIR LEWIS? NO. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          FOUR ONE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          MOVING ON TO COMMISSION REPORTS. 
          UH, COMMENTS, MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS. UH, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING TO REPORT AT THIS TIME? 
          [7. COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR'S REPORT]
SEEING NONE. 
          WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD TO COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR'S REPORT. 
          UM, WE DON'T HAVE PAULINA HERE, SO, UM, IT'S JOANNE, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO REPORT? I WILL BE FILLING IN FOR PAULINA AND THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR'S REPORT. 
          UM, AS FAR AS THE FORTHCOMING IS CONCERNED, UM, IS, OR IS THAT BEFORE PLEASE? WE WILL BE AT THE NEXT MEETING. 
          WE'LL BE HAVING A STUDY SESSION FOR THE DEVELOPMENT CODE UPDATE WITH OUR CITY'S CONSULTANT. 
          UM, I BELIEVE A FEW MONTHS AGO, THE CITY, UM, WHEN, WHEN THE CITY'S CONSULTANT, UM, PRESENTED THE, 
          [02:30:01]
THE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS, THE PLANNING COMMISSION REQUESTED A, A STUDY SESSION FOR THE DEVELOPMENT CODE UPDATE. 
          SO THAT WILL OCCUR AT THE NEXT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. 
          AND NOW THE TWO-STORY HOUSE HAS ALSO BEEN ADDED FOR THE, FOR THE NEXT MEETING IN UNDER PUBLIC HEARING. 
          UM, TODAY I EMAILED THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS REGARDING THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER'S ACADEMY, WHICH WILL BE HELD ON MARCH 29TH THROUGH THE 31ST AT GARDEN GROVE. 
          IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, IF ANY OF THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS, UM, IS INTERESTED IN ATTENDING THE PLATINUM, THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER'S ACADEMY, UM, PLEASE LET ME KNOW SO I CAN GO AHEAD AND HELP YOU GET REGISTERED. 
          THE CITY IS GOING TO COVER THE COST OF THE REGISTRATION, UM, FOR THE, FOR, UM, FOR THE CONFERENCE. 
          ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT? YES, AND THIS, THE CITY WILL BE HAVING A, A CENTENNIAL FESTIVAL THIS WEEKEND ALREADY , SO I INVITE THE PUBLIC, I BELIEVE IT'S FRIDAY, SATURDAY, AND SUNDAY. 
          AND THE CENTENNIAL DINNER WILL BE THIS COMING THURSDAY. 
          AFFORD, ARE THEY, SIR? THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS TO KNOW. 
          . 
          UM, THEY'RE KEEPING IT REALLY HUSH. 
          I'VE BEEN ASKING THEM A ALMOST EVERY DAY WHAT FOOD WE'RE HAVING, BUT WE DON'T KNOW ORDER. 
          IT'S, IT'S A SURPRISE. 
          THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT I KEEP ON HEARING. 
          , WHAT'S THE DRESS CODE? BUSINESS BUSINESS TIME. 
          [8. CITY COUNCIL ACTION:]
ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, ANY, UH, CITY COUNCIL ACTIONS YOU'D LIKE TO REPORT ON? NOT THERE HAVE NOT BEEN ANY PLANNING RELATED CITY COUNCIL ACTIONS AT THIS TIME. 
          HOWEVER, THE CITY COUNCIL WILL BE REVIEWING THE, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED MORATORIUM FOR THE DRIVE-THROUGHS AT THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING ON FEBRUARY 21ST. 
          AND ALSO, THEY WILL ALSO BE CONSIDERATE CONSIDERING THE SHOPPING CART CONTAINMENT ORDINANCE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, HAD RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL. 
          ALL RIGHT, SINCE WE HAVE NO FURTHER BUSINESS, UH, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. 
          GOODNIGHT EVERYONE. 
          GOODNIGHT. 
          HAPPY VALENTINE'S.
* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.