* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. OKAY. [00:00:04] MY PHONE. ALL RIGHT. GOOD [Call to Order] EVENING EVERYONE. I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS JANUARY 24TH, 2023 REGULAR MEETING OF THE WEST COVINA PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER. UH, WE WILL NOW TAKE A MOMENT FOR SILENT PRAYER OR MEDITATION, FOLLOWED BY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, WHICH WILL BE LED BY COMMISSIONER. HANG. PLEASE RISE. PLEASE JOIN ME WITH PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE. PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE, PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE. PAUL, ROLL CALL, PLEASE. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. UH, COMMISSIONER, HANG HERE. UH, COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS, PRESENT. COMMISSIONER BECERRA HERE. UH, VICE CHAIR GUTIERREZ HERE. CHAIR LEWIS HERE. [ORAL COMMUNICATIONS] ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO ORAL COMMUNICATIONS. UH, THIS WILL BE THE TIME THAT, UH, ANYONE CAN SPEAK ON AN ITEM WHICH IS NOT ON THE AGENDA. UH, I DO HAVE ONE CARD, UH, AND, UH, NICOLE MARTIN WILL PLEASE COME FORWARD. GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY. UH, MY NAME IS NICOLE. UM, I'M A WEST COVINO RESIDENT, AND, UH, FOR MY SENIOR PROJECT, I DECIDED ON TRYING TO APPROVE, LIKE, WALKABILITY IN MY LOCAL NEIGHBORHOOD. SO, JUST IN CASE, IF YOU DON'T KNOW, UM, I REALLY WANTED TO, UH, EXPAND LIKE THE SIDEWALK NEAR ONE OF MY, UM, LIKE PLACES THAT I LIKE GOING TO A LOT BECAUSE I NOTICED THAT IT'S VERY UNSAFE WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO LIKE TWO-WAY TRAFFIC. SO LIKE, IF WE ARE GOING SOUTHBOUND TO NORTHBOUND OR NORTHBOUND TO SOUTHBOUND. UM, AND I WAS JUST WONDERING BECAUSE SINCE, UM, I AM REQUIRED FOR MY SCHOOL TO GET LIKE, UM, POINTS AND STUFF, IF I WERE TO MAKE A PETITION REGARDING, UH, EXPANSION OF A SIDEWALK, UH, HOW MANY SIGNATURES WOULD I NEED FOR THAT PETITION? UH, THANK YOU. , PLEASE. THANK YOU. UM, SO WITH REGARD TO THAT ISSUE, I DON'T THINK THAT'S WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. IT WOULD MOST LIKELY BE WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF THE CITY COUNCIL WHO WOULD ULTIMATELY HAVE TO ALLOCATE SOME FUNDING FOR THAT. AND, UH, I WOULD PROBABLY DIRECT YOU TO, UH, THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER OVER HERE, WHICH IS PAULINA MORALES, AND SHE CAN PROBABLY GIVE YOU SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, UM, PERHAPS AFTER THE MEETING. UM, IF YOU CAN GIVE HER, I THINK WE HAVE YOUR CONTACT INFO, MAYBE YOU CAN PROVIDE LIKE AN EMAIL ADDRESS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND SHE CAN GET IN CONTACT WITH YOU. SHE CAN SUBMIT IT TO THE TRAFFIC, UH, COMMITTEE. NO, ALINA, THAT'S, THAT'S FROM, UM, YES, THE APPROPRIATE STREET, UH, FADI THAT YOU WOULD PRESENT THAT REQUEST TO WOULD BE THE TRAFFIC COMMITTEE. UM, AND SO IF YOU DO PROVIDE ME YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS, I CAN SEND YOU THE LINK TO THAT STARTED AND THAT'S GREAT YOU'RE DOING THAT. AND, UH, YEAH, SEND THAT TO PAULINA AND I'M SURE PAULINA WILL MAKE SURE IT GETS TO THE RIGHT, UH, COMMISSION COMMITTEE AND THEY COULD REVIEW IT AND MAYBE, UH, YOUR INPUT WILL MAKE A CHANGE. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE ON. WE HAVE ONE [1. CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NO. 22-10 (AMENDMENT TO CUP NO. 22-03) CATEGORICAL EXEMPTION] PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED FOR TONIGHT. UM, PAULINA, WHO WILL PRESENT THE, UH, STAFF REPORT FOR THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING. THE, UM, OUR PLANNING AID, MARTIN BURSA WILL PRESENT THE FIRST STAFF REPORT. OKAY. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS ITEM NUMBER ONE, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 22 DASH 10, AND IT'S TO AMEND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 22 DASH OH THREE. IT'S LIVE LEARNING LOCATED AT 1414 SOUTH ASSA AVENUE AT SUITE, UH, B 19. SO THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT [00:05:01] IS TO ALLOW THE RELOCATION OF A TUTORING CENTER, UH, USED FROM SUITE B 18 TO SUITE B 19 HIGHLIGHTED IN RED IS THE SUBJECT SITE. IT'S 1,400 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE. IT'S ZONED UNDER NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL, AND IT'S LOCATED AT THE SOUTH HILLS, UH, SHOPPING CENTER HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW. UH, IT'S THE SUBJECT, UH, SITE. IT'S ON THE SECOND FLOOR ADJACENT TO, UH, UH, SUITE B 18, SO HIGHLIGHTED IN RED. IT'S THE OLD LOCATION. AND IN YELLOW ADJACENT TO IT, IT'S, UH, THE NEW LOCATION. THIS IS THE FLOOR PLAN, RED ARROW SHOWING THE ENTRANCE AND PURPLE, THE RECEPTION AREA IN GREEN ROOM ROOM ONE IN RED, THE OPEN ROOM IN BLUE ROOM TWO, AND IN YELLOW, THE RESTROOM. SO LIFE TEST LEARNING IS A TUTORING CENTER FOR SPECIAL NEEDS CHILDREN, WHICH INCLUDES ACTIVITIES SUCH AS MUSIC, BOARD GAMES, YOGA, SCIENCE, MATH, AND ART, AND COOKING. IT CONSISTS OF ONE FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE AND TWO PART-TIME EMPLOYEES. THERE'S FIVE STUDENTS PER CLASSROOM AT ANY GIVEN TIME, MAXIMUM OF 20 STUDENTS, AND IT'S K THROUGH 12. THE BUSINESS HOURS ARE MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY FROM 2:30 PM TO 6:30 PM WITH EACH SESSION, UH, BEING ABOUT 60 TO 120 MINUTES, INCLUDING BREAK TIME PLANNING, STAFF RECOMMENDS ADOPTING RESOLUTION NUMBER 23, UH, DASH 618, APPROVING CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 22 DASH 10. I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT? SO THEY'RE JUST MOVING FROM ONE UNIT TO THE OTHER, OR THEY EXPANDING? IT'S, THEY'RE MOVING FROM ONE UNIT TO THE, TO THE NEXT ONE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND LET'S HEAR TESTIMONY FROM THE APPLICANT IF THEY WANNA SPEAK. THANK YOU. UM, EVERYONE, MY NAME IS IVY AND HERE'S ALICE. AND WE ARE THE OWNER OF THE LIVE TESTED LEARNING. UH, WE ARE MOVING TO NEXT DOOR AND REQUESTING TO HAVE THE UPDATE NEW C O P, UM, WE MOVE TO NEXT DOOR BECAUSE, UM, ONE OF OUR PIANO TEACHER THAT SHE'S MOVING, SO, AND THEN WE ARE HAVING MORE KIDS AROUND 25 KIDS FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT JOINING OUR CENTER. SO, AND WE SAW THE NEXT DOOR THAT THEY JUST MOVE OUT TWO MONTHS AGO THAT IS MORE, UH, EXPANDABLE OR LIKE BETTER ENVIRONMENT FOR OUR KIDS. AND THEN, UM, SO THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO, EVEN THOUGH IT'S, UH, THE TIMING FOR THE C O P IS AT, UH, TWO MONTHS OLD, BUT WE STILL WANTED TO HAVE A BETTER ENVIRONMENT FOR OUR KIDS. SO UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I HAVE ONE QUESTION. QUESTION GUTIERREZ. GREAT. UH, I HAVE ONE QUESTION JUST SO I WANTED TO KNOW. HAS, UM, THE CENTER BEEN LICENSED ALREADY BY THE DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SERVICES ALREADY BY THE COMMUNITY LICENSING DEPARTMENT ALREADY? THE REGIONAL CENTER FOR THE, UH, FOR, AGAIN, IT'S CALLED COMMUNITY CARE LICENSING DIVISION. IT'S A LICENSING FOR CHILD FOR CHILDCARE SERVICES OR LEARNING SEMINARS? CALIFORNIA? NOT YET. YEAH, IT WOULD BE, IT'D BE, YOU GUYS ARE THROUGH THE SAN GABRIEL POMONA REGIONAL CENTER? WE ALREADY, WE ALREADY WITH ST. GABRIEL POMONA REGIONAL CENTER. MM-HMM. AND WE OFFICIAL OKAY, GREAT. SINCE WE GOT THE C O P IN JULY. YEAH. OKAY, GREAT. OH, THERE. BUT NOW, THEN, NOW WE, OUR STUDENT MAY NEED S IN GABRIEL, SO WE ARE SERVING THIS AREA. OKAY. SORRY. WEST CORINA. WE ARE SERVING LIKE SOME OF THE KID AND OTHER CITY AS WELL. THEY'RE COMING, THEY'RE COMING FROM ACADIA AS WELL. OH, OKAY. GREAT. GREAT. , THAT'S ALL. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE ONE. UM, FOR THIS PARTICULAR TUTORING, IT SAYS, FOR SPECIAL NEEDS CHILDREN, YOU MAINLY ONLY FOR SPECIAL NEEDS, CHILDRENS LIKE INCLUSIVE, LIKE ENVIRON. SO WE SPECIAL NEEDS FROM STUDENTS AND ALSO WE, TYPICAL IS MORE LIKE THE ACTIVITY CLASS AFTERSCHOOL PROGRAM. THEY COME LIKE FOR ONE HOUR, BUT LIKE THE TYPICAL, TYPICAL KIDS, THEIR, UM, SPECIAL NEEDS KIDS, THEY'RE HAPPY. SO WE, BECAUSE LIKE WHEN WE ARE WITH, UM, REGIONAL CENTER, WE, UM, WE ARE, UM, WITH THE, UM, SOCIAL RECREATION VENDOR, SO WE HAVE TO PROVIDE AN INCLUSION ENVIRONMENT SO THE [00:10:01] TYPICAL KID CAN LEARN TO ACCEPT THINGS WITH SPECIAL NEEDS. AND THE SPECIAL NEEDS CAN LEARN THE SKILL FROM THE, WE LEAN, UH, AROUND 30% FROM THE TYPICAL KI BECAUSE OF REGIONAL CENTER, THEIR REQUIREMENT. RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. YES. ALL RIGHT. UM, NEXT WE'LL OPEN THE HEARING FOR ANY TESTIMONY FROM THOSE IN FAVOR. ANYONE SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD TO ANY TESTIMONY FROM THOSE OPPOSED. ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER? ALL RIGHT, SEEING NONE, I'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND OPEN THIS UP FOR DISCUSSION, UH, WITHIN THE COMMISSION FOR MOTION, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 22 DASH 10 AND AMENDMENT TO C U P NUMBER 22 DASH ZERO THREE FOR APPLICANT LENGTH TEST LEARNING CENTER. YES. ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER OR BY VICE CHAIR GUTIERREZ, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BAER. UH, PAULINE ROLL CALL PLEASE. OKAY. UM, SO WE HAVE, UM, SORRY, COMMISSIONER HANG IS THE RESOLUTION NUMBER, I THINK. OH, YES. UM, SO RESOLUTION NUMBER 23 DASH 6 118. UH, COMMISSIONER HANG. AYE, UH, COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS? AYE. COMMISSIONER BRARA. AYE. UH, VICE CHAIR GUTIERREZ AYE. AND CHAIR LEWIS. AYE. MOTION PASSES. THIS ACTION IS FINAL AND UNLESS APPEALED TO THE CITY COUNCIL WITHIN 10 DAYS. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO NON-HEARING [2. CONSIDERATION OF A REQUEST TO RECOMMEND A MORATORIUM ON DRIVETHROUGH RESTAURANTS] ITEMS. UH, ITEM NUMBER TWO, CONSIDERATION OF A REQUEST TO RECOMMEND A MORATORIUM ON DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANTS. UM, PAULINA, WHO WILL READ THE STAFF REPORT? YES. THANK YOU. OUR PLANNING MANAGER, CHAIR ANN BURNS, PROVIDE THIS PRESENTATION. GOOD EVENING. UM, HONORABLE CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THE ITEM IS, THIS ITEM IS A NON-HEARING ITEM. THIS IS A REQUEST, UM, FOR A CONSIDERATION TO RECOMMEND A MORATORIUM TO THE CITY COUNCIL, UM, TO CUR, UH, FOR DRIVE THROUGH FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS OR RESTAURANTS. THE CURRENT CODE REQUIRES A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO SUB SUBJECT TO PLANNING COMMISSION APP, UM, REVIEW AND APPROVAL FOR ANY DRIVE-THROUGH, UM, USES WITHIN, WITHIN THE CITY. CURRENTLY, UH, STAFF AS PART OF THE REVIEWING CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATIONS FOR DRIVE-THROUGH ESTABLISHMENTS, STAFF REQUIRES A DRIVE THROUGH QUEUING ANALYSIS. THIS ENSURES THAT THERE IS ENOUGH QUEUING, UM, OF VEHICLE OR VEHICLE STACKING ON SITE SO THAT TRAFFIC WOULD NOT SPILL OVER INTO THE STREET. HOWEVER, ALTHOUGH, UH, UH, SITE MAY NOT HAVE, UM, ENOUGH VEHICLE STACKING FOR A PROPOSED DRIVE-THROUGH APPLICANTS HAVE, DO HAVE THE RIGHT TO PROCESS THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WITHOUT STAFF'S APPROVAL AND BE HEARD BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION. CURRENT. CURRENTLY, THERE ARE 12 DRIVE-THROUGH, UH, FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS WITHIN THE CITY WITHIN 1000 FEET, AWAY FROM, FROM THE INTERSTATE INTERSTATE 10 FREEWAY. AND THERE, THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY 25, UM, DR. UH, DRIVE-THROUGHS IN, IN THE ENTIRE CITY OF WEST COVINA. I'LL GO AHEAD AND, UM, SH SHOW OR PRESENT THE CUR THE LOCATIONS FOR CURRENT DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANT FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS WITHIN 1000 FEET FROM THE 10 FREEWAY. UM, ALONG VI ALONG VINCENT AVENUE, THERE IS THE STARBUCKS, UM, IN THE CHICK-FIL-A. WE, AS FAR AS, UM, QUEUING IS CONCERNED, VEHICLE QUEUING ON IS, UM, IS CONCERNED. THERE HAVE BEEN COMPLAINTS THAT THE CITY HAVE RECEIVED REGARDING, UM, QUEUING, UM, AND TRAFFIC BEING CAUSED BY, BY, UM, VEHICLE STA VEHICLE [00:15:01] STACKING NOT BEING ENOUGH, UM, ON SITE FOR THE CHICK-FIL-A. AND THIS, THESE COMPLAINTS HAVE BEEN, UM, PAST COMPLAINTS THAT FES HAD HAD RECEIVED, UM, ALONG ASUZA AVENUE WITHIN 1000 FEET FROM THE 10 FREEWAY. WE HAVE THE MCDONALD'S ON THE NORTH IN THE, UM, THE, THE MEXICAN RESTAURANT, UM, AT, ON THE SOUTH, I FORGOT WHAT IT'S CALLED. THERE A, AMONG THE 12 RE, UH, RESTAURANTS OR FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS WITH DRIVE-THROUGHS. EIGHT OF THOSE LOCATION, EIGHT OF THOSE RESTAURANTS ARE NEAR CITRUS STREET AND BRANCA STREET, AND I HAVE NUMBERED THEM ON THE AERIAL FOOT. UM, PHOTOGRAPH THERE IS THE, UM, IN THREE OF THESE SITES ARE STILL UNDER CONSTRUCTION. WE HAVE THE FORMER, UM, HOOTERS SITE THAT WILL BE OCCUPIED BY A CHICK-FIL-A, UM, WHICH IS LABELED SIX. UM, LABELED SEVEN IS GOING TO BE THE JOLLY BEE, UM, DRIVE THROUGH REST, DRIVE THROUGH FOOD ESTABLISHMENT AND RESTAURANT. AND EIGHT WILL BE, IS IS ALSO STILL UNDER CONSTRUCTION. AND IT WOULD BE IT WHEN IT WAS REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, IT WAS ANTICIPATED TO BE A DRIVE-THROUGH PANERA BREAD. WITH THIS STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION TAKE EITHER ONE OF THE, OF THE FOUR ACTIONS THAT ARE PRESENTED ON THE PROJECTOR, EITHER TO RECOMMEND THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPT A MO, A MORATORIUM PROHIBITING DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANTS IN THE ENTIRE CITY. RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPT A MO MORATORIUM THAT WOULD PROHIBIT DRIVE-THROUGHS, UM, WITHIN 100 FEET OF THE INTERESTED, UH, SO I'M SORRY, 1000 FEET FROM THE INTERSTATE 10 FREEWAY CONT, UM, CONTINUE DISCUSSION WITH DIRECTION FOR, FOR STAFF TO CONDUCT MORE RESEARCH AND OBTAIN MORE INFORMATION OR TAKE NO ACTION. UM, AGAIN, IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOES RECOMMEND TO, UM, THAT THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPT A MORATORIUM, THIS WOULD BE, UH, A TEMPORARY HALT IN ALLOWANCE OF, UH, DRIVE THROUGH FOOD ESTABLISHMENT WITHIN THE CITY. AND IT BE WHILE THE CITY IS WORKING ON THE DEVELOPMENT CODE UPDATE STAFF HAS, IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS IF THIS PLANNING COMMISSION HAS ANY, ANY QUESTIONS? ANYONE? YES. WHAT PART OF THE UPDATE WILL AFFECT THE DRIVE-THROUGHS? IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE UNDER THE, THE NON-RESIDENTIAL ZONES, UM, FOR THE COMMERCIAL PORTION OF THE CITY'S ZONING CODE. UM, AND IT WOULD, IT WOULD EITHER BE, UM, IT, IT WOULD INCLUDE, IT WOULD, IT WOULD INCLUDE, UM, CERTAIN PERFORMANCE STANDARDS, UM, OR MAY, MAY PROHIBIT, UM, DRIVE-THROUGHS IN CERTAIN LOCATIONS. IT, IT, THAT HASN'T, UM, THE CITY IS STILL WORKING ON, UM, STUDYING AND INVESTIGATING THIS, SO WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE AN EXACT LANGUAGE AS, AS OF YET. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, I HAD A QUESTION. UM, GOSH. SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE CLOSE TO 20, UM, DRIVE-THROUGH FACILITIES THAT ARE NEAR THE 10 FREEWAY, UM, NEAR, NEAR THE 10 FREEWAY. WITHIN A HU WITHIN 1000 FEET FROM THE 10 FREEWAY WE HAVE 12. WELL, YES. OKAY. AND THEN YOU INDICATED, DOES THAT INCLUDE THE THREE THAT ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION ABOUT READY TO OPEN? OH, OKAY. GOT YOU. OKAY. SORRY. EIGHT OF THE THREE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE GENERAL AREA OF THE EASTLAND CENTER. DO YOU GUYS KNOW EXACTLY HOW MANY OTHER PROPERTIES BECAUSE OF THEIR CURRENT ZONING ALONG THE 10 THAT MIGHT ACTUALLY BE AVAILABLE? THERE ARE, UM, THAT, OKAY. SO ALONG RESTAURANT [00:20:01] ROW, THAT AREA WOULD BE AVAILABLE, UM, CUZ CAUSE THOSE ARE COMMERCIALLY ZONED PROPERTIES ON THE, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF GARVEY AVENUE, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FREEWAY. MM-HMM. , UM, THOSE ARE ALSO COMMERCIALLY, UM, COMMERCIALLY ZONED PROPERTIES, UM, ON, ON THE SOUTH SIDE, ON ALONG MCINTYRE SQUARE, THAT THOSE ARE ALSO COMMERCIALLY OWNED PROPERTIES THAT WOULD, COULD POTENTIALLY, UM, BE AVAILABLE OR, UM, AN APPLICANT CAN POTENTIALLY BE SUBMITTED FOR, FOR THAT, UM, ALONG, ALONG THE MALL AREA. MM-HMM. , UM, AND LET'S SEE, AND ALONG, ALONG GARVEY AVENUE NORTH OF THE MALL, UM, ARE YOU GUYS AWARE, UM, I'M ASSUMING ANY OF THE PROPERTIES, BECAUSE THEY, IF THEY'RE NEAR THE ON-RAMPS OR OFF-RAMPS, THEY ALSO END UP HAVING TO SUBMIT TO CALTRANS, DON'T THEY? ALSO, ESPECIALLY IF THE MAJOR STREET THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, THE ONE, UM, FACILITY THAT'S GOING IN, UM, OVER NEAR LA FITNESS BECAUSE OF THEIR LOCATION, THE MAIN ARTERIAL ALSO PROVIDES ACCESS TO THE 10 GOING EAST AND WEST. SO DIDN'T THEY ALSO HAVE TO SEPARATELY CONTACT CALTRAN AND GET PERMISSION AS FAR AS THEIR DRIVEWAY AND EXPLAINING TO THEM WHAT THEIR OPERATION WOULD BE? UM, I WASN'T AWARE THAT THAT WAS DONE FOR THE CHICK-FIL-A, WHICH IS, WHICH IS ALONG, UM, WHICH IS JUST NORTH, UH, UM, OF THE, THE FREEWAY OFF RAMP. BUT THAT, I BELIEVE CALTRAN HAD HAD TO BE INVOLVED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE, THE SUPERMARKET, THE SUPERMARKET SITE, UM, NEAR WHERE THE PANERA BREAD WAS, UM, IS ANTICIPATED TO BE LOCATED, BUT IT WAS NOT BECAUSE OF THE DRIVE, THE DRIVE-THROUGH PANERA BURN. WHERE'S PANERA BURN? UM, WELL WHEN IT WENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. OH, OKAY. THE, THE GROCERY STORE SHOPPING CENTER THAT'S BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION. UM, IT, IT WAS STATED THAT IT, IT'S INTUBATED TO BE A PANERA A DRIVE-THROUGH PANERA BREAD ORIGINALLY, OR ORIGINALLY. I'M NOT SURE IF OKAY. IF THAT'S STILL GONNA BE THE YEAH, I, I THINK CALTRANS ONLY GETS INVOLVED IF IT DEALS WITH THEIR PROPERTY. WELL SEE, THE ONLY REASON WHY I'M ASKING, THEY'RE ALSO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 300 FEET OF SOME OF THOSE TIES. SO IN THE NOTICING PROCESS, I WOULD'VE THOUGHT THEY ALSO WOULD'VE STEPPED UP, ESPECIALLY DEPENDING ON WHERE THE ENTRANCE TO THE FACILITY'S GOING TO BE AND THEN WANTING TO UNDERSTAND IF THAT'S GONNA CAUSE SOME TYPE OF POTENTIAL PROBLEM FOR PEOPLE GOING, TRYING TO GET ON OR OFF THE FREEWAY. YES, CALTRANS WAS PART OF THE NOTIFICATION MM-HMM. , HOWEVER, UH, THEY DID NOT CONTACT US, UH, IN THE PLANNING, IN THE PLANNING PROCESS. HOWEVER, THAT THE CHICK-FIL-A, THAT CHICK-FIL-A, UM, THAT THAT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION, UH, ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE, OF THAT OFF RAMP, IT, IT DOES PROVIDE MORE, MORE THAN, UM, SUFFICIENT, UH, QUEUING PER THEIR QUEUING ANALYSIS. SO THERE, IT'S NOT ANTICIPATED THAT IT WOULD SPILL OVER INTO THE STREET. OKAY. AND SO WHAT WAS THE, WHAT DID THE COMMITTEE RECOMMEND? UH, WHAT WAS IT, THE CODE AMENDMENT COMMITTEE, WHAT DID THEY RECOMMEND? BECAUSE IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, I KNOW MAYOR, FORMER MAYOR CASTANOS AND COUNCIL MEMBER TONY WOO, GAVE DIRECTION AT THAT COMMITTEE FOR THE COM FOR STAFF TO DEVELOP A PLAN TO, SO CAN, CAN YOU REMIND THIS COMMISSION WHAT WE DISCUSSED AND WHAT WAS THE OUT THE OUTCOME OF THAT CONVERSATION? WELL, I DON'T IF I CAN BE, THAT'S A SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING FOR THE, UM, DEVELOPMENT CODE UPDATE, AND SO THEY DON'T PROVIDE DIRECTION. IT'S, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT CODE UPDATE. YEAH, YEAH. UM, AND SO EVENTUALLY I'LL GO, I'LL GO TO THE WHOLE CONSOLE, BUT THEY DID GIVE, THEY GAVE, UH, THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT, UM, DOING A MORATORIUM ON THE, UM, DRIVE-THROUGHS WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE CITY. AND THERE WAS DISCUSSIONS ABOUT DOING IT ALONG THE 10 FREEWAY OR CITYWIDE. AND SO, AND WHAT, WHAT WAS THEIR CONCERN? JUST SO THE COMMISSION KNOWS, BECAUSE IT'S NOT MY IDEA, IT'S, I'M BRINGING, I'M BRINGING THIS, UH, TOPIC FOR A REASON. SO CAN WE, DO WE KNOW, REMEMBER WHAT WAS THE CONCERNS RELATING TO THAT? I, AS, UM, OUR [00:25:01] PLANNING MANAGER MENTIONED, I THINK THAT BECAUSE WE ARE DOING THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, CODE UPDATE, UM, WE DID WANNA TAKE A LOOK AT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE DRIVE-THROUGHS AND WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS TO PROCESS RE UM, HOW WE WANNA MOVE FORWARD WITH ALLOWING DRIVE-THROUGHS IN THE CITY, UM, BECAUSE OF THE POTENTIAL, FOR EXAMPLE, JOLLY B AND, UM, CHICK-FIL-A, THE BOTH THAT ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION, THEY'VE DEMOLISHED SIT DOWN RESTAURANTS TO MAKE WAY FOR THE DRIVE-THROUGHS AND HAVING THE CONCENTRATION, I THINK IT WAS EIGHT OR NINE DRIVE-THROUGHS IN THAT AREA MM-HMM. , UM, JUST ALONE ADJACENT TO OR IN THE, THE EASTLAND CENTER. UM, IT WAS SOMETHING THAT, UM, WAS BROUGHT UP IN THAT COMMITTEE AND WHETHER OR NOT, UM, IT WOULD BE, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER, THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A DEEPER LOOK INTO CON UH, CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS, UM, FOR DRIVE-THROUGHS AND WHAT THAT PROCESS WOULD BE MOVING FORWARD FOR DRIVE-THROUGHS. YEAH. BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME PROPERTY OWNERS NOT TO NAME EXACTLY WHO, THAT THERE WAS KNOWLEDGE OF PROPERTY OWNERS RAISING THE RENT FOR THOSE SIT DOWN RESTAURANTS TO TRY TO EVICT THEM IN ORDER TO GET TOP BRAND DRIVE-THROUGHS TO COME INTO OUR CITY. MM-HMM. SO THIS WILL ALLOW A CITY TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE OVERSIGHT ON, ON WHAT, WHAT OCCURS IN THAT PROCESS. SO WE COULD PRESERVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SIT DOWN RESTAURANTS IN OUR CITY AND NOT JUST DRIVE THROUGHS OFF OUR FREEWAYS, BUT ALSO LEASE AGREEMENT BETWEEN, WELL AMONG COMMERCIALS PROPERTY NORMALLY IS A 30 YEAR LEASE OR SO. SO IT'S NOT UP TO CITIES TO DICTATE IN TERMS OF HOW, UM, I GUESS HOW THEY WANNA CONTROL THEIR LEASE. I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE A 30 YEAR LEASE, YOU KIND OF HAVE TO WAIT UP UNTIL 30 YEARS TO MAKE ANOTHER CONTRACT. YEAH. SO SOME OF THOSE RESTAURANTS WHO ARE SIT DOWN THERE HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR MANY YEARS AND THEIR, THEIR LEASES ARE UP ALMOST UP FOR, UH, AND THEY'RE GOING MONTH BY MONTH BECAUSE THERE'S SOME OWNERS WHO WANT, UH, LUXURY, UH, DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANTS, UH, LIKE RAISING CANES INSTEAD OF A SIT-DOWN RESTAURANT LIKE T G I FRIDAY. SO THAT'S THE CONCERN THAT I WAS INFORMED OF. SO WHAT WAS THE, LET'S SEE, WHERE, SO WHAT WAS THE OPTIONS WE HAVE TODAY, AGAIN, ON THIS MATTER? SO THE OPTIONS ARE THAT THE, UM, THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL, CUZ IT WOULD BE THE CITY COUNCIL THAT WOULD BE, UM, IMPLEMENTING OR, UH, ADOPTING A MORATORIUM, UH, IS TO DO A MORATORIUM OF DRIVE-THROUGHS FOR THE ENTIRE CITY, UM, FOR A THOUSAND FEET AWAY FROM INTERSTATE 10 FREEWAY, UM, OR TO CONTINUE DISCUSSIONS, UM, WITH STAFF OR TO TAKE NO ACTIONS. SO THOSE ARE THE FOUR OPTIONS. I, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THE 1000 FEET CAME FROM THE LAST PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING WHEN, WHEN THE, THE ITEM WAS SUGGESTED TO BE PART OF THIS, THIS MEETING'S AGENDA. SO WE HAD INCLUDED THE 1000 FEET IN, IN THE RECOMMENDATION, BUT IT CAN BE 500 FEET, UM, 2000 FEET, UM, AND SO FORTH. JUST CURIOUS, DO WE HAVE AN, AN OVERLAY MAP THAT SHOWS WHAT 1000 FEET NORTH AND SOUTH OF THE FREEWAY WOULD LOOK LIKE? UM, I CAN PROVIDE AN EX AN EXAMPLE. OKAY. UM, FROM, FROM THIS MAP. SO CURRENTLY, JOANNE, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION THOUGH. CURRENTLY, UM, CURRENTLY IF ANYONE WHO WANTS TO DRIVE THROUGH ALL THE RESTAURANTS OR WHAT, WHAT HAVE YOU, NEEDS TO REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. SO A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS, IS A CONDITION USE PERMIT. MEANING THAT THEY DON'T HAVE A RIGHT OF WAYS TO GET THEIR DRIVE-THROUGH. SO THEY STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEN EVEN IF WE APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE, IT STILL GETS MOVE ON TO CITY COUNCIL THAT, UM, IT DOES NOT GO TO CITY COUNCIL UNLESS IT'S APPEALED. YEAH. AND THAT'S A GREAT, AND THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. SO, AND MAYBE THE CITY ATTORNEY CAN COLLABORATE ON IT, WHICH IS BECAUSE THERE'S NO RULES IN PLACE CURRENTLY, IF A RESTAURANT, IF THERE WAS SOME SORT OF DEAL TO EVICT T G I FRIDAYS IN ORDER TO MAKE WAY FOR, UH, A RAISING CANES, AND THESE ARE JUST GENERAL TERMS, UH, UM, BEING MADE THAT THE CITY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DENY THEIR CONDITIONAL INSTRUMENT JUST BASED UPON THE FACT THAT A, A SIT-DOWN RESTAURANT'S COMING IN AND A DRIVE DUES COMING THROUGH, COMING IN, I MEAN VICE [00:30:01] VERSA. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THESE SET OF RULES IN PLACE AND THAT'S WHY THE CODE AMENDMENT, UH, COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED THESE CHANGES GOING FORWARD, WHICH WILL EVENTUALLY, EVENTUALLY WHEN THE CODE AMENDMENT, UH, COMMITTEE, ONCE THE, I'M SORRY, I THINK THE, WE'RE DONE ALREADY, BUT ONCE THE CONTRACTORS FINISHED THEIR WORK, THEY'RE GONNA SEND THAT UPDATE TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO, TO APPROVE IT. UM, TO REVIEW IT FOR APPROVAL. SO THE MORATORIUM IS FOR GOING HOW LONG? THE EXTENT OF TIME, UH, IT STARTS, IT REQUIRES A FOUR FIFTH VOTE OF THE COUNCIL AND IT'S INITIALLY FOR 45 DAYS AND THEN THEY CAN THEN EXTEND IT TO A MAXIMUM TWO YEARS IF REQUESTS FOR THE STUDY. AND, UH, JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THE C P, SO CS THE, THE COMMISSION, UM, ESPECIALLY CUZ WE'RE DEALING WITH COMMERCIAL, HAS DISCRETION TO DENY OR IMPOSE CONDITIONS OR, AND OR REQUIRE TRAFFIC STUDIES. UM, SO THERE THERE IS SOME DISCRETION THERE WHEN IT COMES TO CUS AND CERTAINLY WE HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO REQUEST FURTHER STUDY, REQUEST THE MORATORIUM. THIS IS REALLY COUNCIL'S DISCRETION AT THIS POINT. COMMISSION'S DISCRETION. WELL, WE KNOW THAT THE UPDATES ARE, YEAH. SO AFTER THOSE UPDATES COME BACK POSITIVE, WHICH SAYS IT'S ACCORDING TO TRAFFIC STUDIES, IT'S OKAY TO HAVE A DRIVE THROUGH THERE. SO IS, IS THE CITY STILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO DENY THAT APPLICANT THE RIGHT TO HAVE A DRIVE-THROUGH OR DOES THAT WILL, OR WOULD THAT RAISE POSSIBLE LITIGATION? WELL, BUT WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, THEY HAVE STANDARD FINDINGS BECAUSE THEY UNDERSTAND EACH CASE THAT IS REQUESTING IS UNIQUE IN AND OF ITSELF. AND WHAT THE CITY ATTORNEY, I THINK IS EXPLAINING TO US, IT'S UNDERSTOOD THAT QUEUING TO KNOW HOW MANY VEHICLES THEY CAN STACK ON SITE AND BY THEM BEING IN BUSINESS, WHICHEVER THE BUSINESS IS, THEY CAN ALSO PROVIDE US WITH INFORMATION BASED ON THE SIZE OF THEIR FACILITY, HOW MANY VEHICLES THEY SERVE AT THEIR DIFFERENT PEAK TIMES, GIVING US INFORMATION. AND I GUESS WHAT HE'S SAYING, THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, THAT'S WHAT ITS JOB IS, IS TO GIVE US SOME LATITUDE IN GETTING INFORMATION SO THAT WE CAN TRY TO WORK WITH THE BUSINESS OWNER AS WELL AS THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY. MM-HMM. , BUT IT'S, IT'S TO THE EXTENT OF WHAT THIS COMMITTEE IS ENTITLED TO RECOMMEND AND, AND NOT RECOMMEND. SO IT COMES TO A POINT WHERE TOO MANY LIMITS CAN, CAN CAUSE POSSIBLE POSSIBLE LITIGATION IF AN APPLICANT IS DENIED, UH, FOR UNJUST REASONS IF STUDIES COME BACK DIFFERENTLY. SO THAT'S WHY I THINK IT WAS IMPORTANT THAT A ACTION LIKE THIS BE TAKEN. AND I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THAT WE SHOULD RECOMMEND A, A CHANGE TO THE CITY COUNCIL. I THINK WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS RECOMMEND THAT WE A, EXCUSE ME, WE ASKED THE CITY COUNCIL TO LOOK INTO THE MATTER AS A WHOLE AND WE, WE ASKED THEM TO MAKE THAT DECISION AND THAT STUDY, BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE, THEY HAVE THE POWER TO ASK STAFF TO COME BACK WITH MORE, MORE STUDIES AND MORE, UH, LOGISTICS AND SO FAR ON THE, ON THEIR FINDINGS AND, AND WHAT'S, UH, WHAT SHOULD BE DONE AND WHAT SHOULDN'T BE DONE. SO I, I WILL WRITE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT, UH, WE RECOMMEND WE RE WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO LOOK INTO THE MATTER, BUT IN TERMS OF BUSINESS, THERE'S ALSO A DEMAND MM-HMM. , WHETHER IT'S, WHETHER IT'S A SIT-IN RESTAURANTS OR A DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANT, THERE MUST BE A DEMAND MM-HMM. FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. I GUESS IT'S THE ONLINE SERVICE THAT HAS A LOT OF DEMAND AND ALSO THE DRIVE-THROUGH HAS A LOT OF DEMAND. SO GOING ON FORWARD, I CAN'T SAY FOR SURE IF THE ONLINE BUSINESS IS A HOT ITEMS ALL THE TIME OR, OR IT'S GONNA GO BACK TO NORMAL, THAT WE'D LIKE TO GO TO THE BAKE BOXES TO BUY ALL THINGS. AND THE SITTING IN RESTAURANTS AND THE DRIVE-THROUGH IT, IT DEPEND ON THE DEMANDS. MM-HMM. . SO LET'S SAY JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE HAVE A DRIVE-THROUGH A YEAR OR TWO AGO DOESN'T MEAN THAT PEOPLE IS GONNA USE IT. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S TOMORROW'S GONNA BRING. YEAH, I AGREE ON THE PRESERVATION OF THE CITY AS WELL. SO, I MEAN, I THINK THE UPDATE COMMITTEE WHEN THEY, YOU KNOW, LAY OUT THE, THE, UM, RULES OF THE DRIVE-THROUGHS OR MOUNTAIN, CAUSE I KNOW THEY HAVE 'EM ON CERTAIN OTHER BUSINESSES LIKE DANCE HALLS OR BARS OR, YOU KNOW, THIS ALSO IS JUST ANOTHER ITEM MM-HMM. , YOU KNOW, ON THE LIST. AND IT ACTUALLY WILL MAKE OUR JOB EASIER BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE WON'T HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION. OR, YOU KNOW, FOR AN APPLICANT WHO'S WANTS TO CHANGE A SIT DOWN RESTAURANT TO A DRIVE THROUGH, IF THEY AREN'T READY OVER THE LIMIT IN THE CITY, THEN WE WON'T, IT WON'T BE OUR CHOICE ANYWAYS. [00:35:01] BUT ALSO IT'S UNIQUE THAT WEST COA HAS A STRETCH OF THE 10 FREEWAY THAT MM-HMM. CUT ACROSS WEST COA. SO TO SOME EXTENT A LOT OF DRIVE THROUGH, THEY DON'T WANNA PUT IT IN THE MIDDLE BETWEEN TWO 10 AND THE 10 FREEWAY. YEAH. SO LIKE, WE'RE GIVING AN EXAMPLE HERE, LIKE, UH, WHEN CHICK-FIL-A OPEN ON, UH, VINCENT AND WEST, WHATEVER THOSE STREETS ARE, VINCENT WEST PARKWAY, THEY SAID THAT THEIR TRAFFIC WAS NEVER GONNA OVER OVERFLOW. IT, IT ENDED UP, IT ENDED UP HAPPENING MULTIPLE TIMES. NOW YOU HAVE A CHICK-FIL-A RIGHT OFF THE 10 FREEWAY, WHICH TRAFFIC STUDIES SAY IT'S OKAY, THIS, IT'S NOT GONNA OVERFLOW. WHICH I FIND IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE THERE'S NO STOP LIGHT WHEN YOU EXIT THE TIN FREEWAY OFF THAT RAMP. SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE CARS GOING STRAIGHT UP INTO THAT DRIVEWAY, CREATING COLLISIONS WITH THE INCOMING TRAFFIC, WHICH SOMETIMES STOP AND DON'T STOP, BUT THE INTERSECTION. SO THAT'S WHY STUFF LIKE THIS IS IMPORTANT AND I KNOW, BUT THEN WE, AT, AT THE SAME TIME, I DON'T KNOW IF WE SHOULD, UH, CREATE A MORATORIUM TO STOP ALL BUSINESSES. YEAH, I DON'T THINK SO EITHER. KNOW, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD GIVE THE CITY COUNCIL THAT DISCRETION TO LOOK INTO IT. WE HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE FOR EACH LOT MECHANISM, THE COMMISSIONS CAN LOOK AT EACH, NOT MM-HMM. , IT'S UNIQUENESS OF EACH LOT. MM-HMM. , WHETHER IT'S COMPATIBLE FOR DRIVE THROUGH, WHETHER IT'S COMPATIBLE FOR SIT-IN, I MEAN, HEY, SOME RESTAURANTS ONLY HAVE FIVE SEATS. SO WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THAT? AND IT'S STILL WORKING. WELL, LET'S FIND OFF FROM STAFF. THE RESTAURANT HAS 50 ON NICE RESTAURANTS IN THE CITY, LET'S BE HONEST. LIMITED. YEAH. WELL, YOU GO, YOU GO TO ANOTHER CITY SOMETIMES, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE THAT. YEAH. AND THIS IS NOT MY, I I MEAN THIS IS AN IDEA I BROUGHT FORWARD, BUT THIS IS AN IDEA BROUGHT FROM THE COMMITTEE THAT'S GONNA BE END UP MAKING, RECOMMENDING THIS CHANGE REGARDLESS TO THE CITY COUNCIL OF THEIR VOTE. BUT, UH, IT WAS INFORMED BY TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS AT THAT TIME THE NEED TO BRING THIS TO THE COMMISSION SO THEY COULD REVIEW IT FURTHER. UH, BECAUSE IT'S, IT WAS AN IMPORTANT TOPIC TO THE MAYOR, THE, THE FORMER MAYOR AND, AND THE CURRENT COUNCIL MEMBER THAT THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW, UH, UH, DISCUSSION ON A MATTER LIKE THIS. BECAUSE THERE IS POSSIBILITY MORE RESTAURANTS ARE COMING, COULD COME IN THAT AREA AND WHETHER WE, THAT C U P HAS ITS LIMITS AND, AND, AND STAFF DIDN'T SAY NOTHING ABOUT CS AT OUR COMMITTEE. UH, OUR, UM, COMMITTEE, UH, WHAT IS IT CALLED? CODE UPDATE COMMITTEE THING. SO, AND BECAUSE THEY KNOW THERE'S LIMITS TO THE C U P AND SO MAYBE THEY COULD EXPLAIN AGAIN WHY, WHY THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS RECOMMENDED, UH, THAT, UH, THE CONTRACTORS WRITE UP A PROPOSED CODE AMENDMENT BECAUSE OF THE CONCERNS THE COMMITTEE HAD. BUT, UH, WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE CONTRACTOR IS WRITING UP PROPOSED, UH, THE, WHERE'S THE COMPANY CALLED THE CONSULTANT? THE CONSULTANTS, E C G Y? YEAH, THE CITY'S CONSULTANT. IT'S NOT UNCOMMON THAT OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE DRIVE-THROUGHS, THEY HAVE, UM, JUST AS WEST COVINA, THEY REQUIRE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, BUT SOME ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILED AS FAR AS, UM, THEY EXPLAIN THE AMOUNT OF STACKING THAT THEY WANT, THEY AUTOMATICALLY HAVE IT UNDERSTOOD THAT YOU HAVE TO DO A TRAFFIC STUDY. MM-HMM. FOR THAT REASON AND FOR THE QUEUING AND SO FORTH, LIKE, FOR UNDERSTANDING ABOUT THE PLACEMENT OF WHERE THE ACTUAL RESTAURANT BUILDING WILL GO. LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, THE IN AND OUT THAT WAS OVER ON SAN BERNARD BERNARDINO ROAD, IT WAS AN OLDER IN AND OUT, SO IT WAS CLOSER TO THE STREET. ONE OF THE THINGS THEY DID DO, SINCE THEY WERE A BUSY LOCATION, THEY TORE DOWN THE OLD BUILDING, THEY MOVED IT FURTHER BACK ON THE PROPERTY AND THEY TRIED TO CREATE FOR MORE QUEUING AND BETTER ACCESS SO THAT IT WOULDN'T AFFECT THE OTHER BUSINESSES THAT WERE NEXT TO THEM AND ACROSS THE STREET. SO WITH TIME, THERE ARE THINGS THAT DO CHANGE AND THERE ARE IMPROVEMENTS. AND I THINK WHAT JOANNE WAS SAYING IS ONE OF THE OPTIONS THAT THEY WOULD HAVE WOULD BE, IS TO LOOK AT A LITTLE CLOSER AND MAYBE PUT DOWN SOME SPECIFIC THINGS MM-HMM. THAT WE WOULD AUTOMATICALLY ASK EVERYONE WHO WOULD BE COMING TO ASK FOR A DRIVE-THROUGH, BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST FOOD. NOW YOU MIGHT HAVE SOMEONE ELSE WITH SOME OTHER TYPE OF BUSINESS THAT HAPPENS TO BE A DRIVE-THROUGH, FOR EXAMPLE, IF I CAN ADD TO THAT, PHARMACIES HAVE DRIVE-THROUGHS AS WELL. YES. MM-HMM. . EXACTLY. SO MAYBE WE COULD, UH, WELL, THAT'S WHY I WAS SAYING WE SHOULD REFER THE MATTER TO THE CITY COUNCIL SO THEY COULD HAVE DISCUSSIONS ON EXPLORE, EXPLORE THE TOPIC MORE. WELL, ACTUALLY, THE WAY THAT STAFF IS DOING IT, THEY'RE GIVING US SEVERAL OPTIONS TO CHOOSE FROM. WELL, I GUESS WE COULD DO IT TOO. CHOOSE THEN THEY ALL KNOW HOW TO PROCEED . YEAH, WE CAN. I MEAN, WE COULD, I JUST DIDN'T WANT THAT WAS MORE COST SUFFICIENT TO SEND IT TO THE CITY COUNCIL SO THEY COULD ASK FOR THE STUDIES. BUT IF WE, WE COULD REQUEST STUDIES TOO, BUT IT'S IN THE, IT'S IN [00:40:01] A DOUBLE DIP BECAUSE THE CITY COUNCIL'S GONNA ASK FOR THEIR STUDIES TOO. AND THEN WE'RE GONNA ASK FOR OUR, OUR OWN STUDIES AND THAT ALL ADDS UP. . BUT YEAH, FOR NOW IT'S JUST THE MORATORIUM WHERE, BUT THE MORATORIUMS IS ONLY 45 DAYS. AND I DON'T KNOW IF I, I DON'T KNOW HOW COMFORTABLE TO JUST STOPPED DRIVE THROUGH JUST BECAUSE MM-HMM. , BUT IT'S A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL. IT'S NOT BINDING ON ANYTHING. YEAH. SO I, I'M NOT ULTIMATELY WHATEVER HAPPENS, THIS IS THE CITY COUNCIL'S DECISION, RIGHT. WE'RE JUST MAKING A RECOMMENDATION OR WE CAN TAKE NO ACTION. SO THAT'S IT. MM-HMM. . UM, SO FUNDAMENTALLY THAT'S NOT TECHNICALLY WHAT OUR CONCERN WOULD BE. OUR CONCERN WOULD BE DOES THE RECOMME, DOES A RECOMMENDATION HERE MAKE ANY SENSE? IF IT DOESN'T, THEN WE TAKE NO ACTION AND, UH, WE CALL IT A NIGHT. BUT, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THE DISCUSSION NEEDS TO HEAD IS, ARE WE GOING TO TAKE AN ACTION OR, OR ARE WE GOING TO TAKE NO ACTION AND KIND OF MOVE ON? SO ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? YEAH, I, I THINK I WAS JUST SAY THAT YEAH, THE CONCERN IS, IS THAT THERE'S EXISTING SIT-DOWN RESTAURANTS WHO ARE POSSIBLY SEEING RENT INCREASES IN, IN SO DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANTS CAN REPLACE THEIR STRUCTURE WITH A DRIVE-THROUGH. THAT WAS THE CONCERN THAT WAS TOLD TO ME. AND SO THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WHY I'M SAYING WE SHOULD EITHER, WE SHOULD LOOK INTO IT OR WE SHOULD REFER THE MATTER TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO LOOK INTO IT ON THEIR OWN. IN GENERAL TERMS. IT'S NOT SAYING THAT WE SUPPORT OR OPPOSE THE MATTER, WE'RE JUST SAYING CITY COUNCIL, WE THINK, UH, YOU SHOULD LOOK INTO THIS MATTER ON YOUR OWN AND, AND MAKE A DECISION ON YOUR OWN. THAT'S IT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I, I'LL GO OUT ON A LIMB HERE. I'M, I'VE OBVIOUSLY BEEN QUITE AN ADVOCATE FOR HAVING SOME COHESIVENESS IN THE CITY FOR MANY YEARS. UM, AND FRANKLY WHAT HAS REALLY IRRITATED ME AS A, AS A CITIZEN AND AS A RESIDENT OF THE CITY FOR DECADES, IS THAT RESTAURANT ROW IS A HODGEPODGE MESS. AND IT SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN WHAT IT HAS BECOME. SO FUNDAMENTALLY, I AM WILLING TO GO OUT ON THE LIMB AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO, UH, WE NEED TO PUT THE HALT ON THIS RIGHT NOW, AND WE SHOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY COUNCIL IMPOSE A MORATORIUM BECAUSE ULTIMATELY ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED, UM, ARE GOING TO HAVE AN IMPACT ON OUR STREETS AND FRANKLY, ON OUR QUALITY OF LIFE. I MEAN, FRANKLY, UH, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY THIS ISN'T THE APPLICANT'S FAULT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT I, I JUST LOOK AT, I JUST LOOK AT WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THE CURVE, WHAT HAS HAPPENED THAT'S GOING TO BE AN UNMITIGATED DISASTER. AND, YOU KNOW, FUNDAMENTALLY THIS COMMISSION HAS A HISTORY OF JUST APPROVING EVERYTHING, UM, AND NOT REALLY THINKING ABOUT THE LONG-TERM CONSIDERATIONS. AND REALISTICALLY, I THINK THAT, UM, IT'S TIME FOR THAT TO CHANGE. IT'S TIME FOR US TO GROW UP AS A CITY AND HAVE A COHESIVE PLAN THAT WE ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT AND WE TAKE THE TWO DECADES, OR THREE DECADES OR HOWEVER LONG IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO IMPLEMENT A COHESIVE PLAN IN THIS CITY. AND SO FUNDAMENTALLY, I THINK WE, WE SHOULD MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL THAT, HEY, LOOK, WE WANT TO HAVE, WE WANT TO HAVE RESTAURANTS THAT WE WANT TO GO TO THAT WE'RE NOT HAVING TO LEAVE WEST COVINA AND GO TO BREA OR COVINA. NOW, I MEAN, I, I REMEMBER AS A KID, COVINA NEVER HAD ANY RESTAURANTS AND CUZ WEST COVINA ALWAYS HAD THE BEST RESTAURANTS, AND NOW THE SHOE IS ON THE OTHER FOOT. AND I HATE SAYING THAT ABOUT THE CITY THAT I LIVE IN. I HATE IT. I DON'T WANT THAT TO BE, I, I DON'T WANT THAT TO BE WHAT OUR FUTURE IS MOVING FORWARD. SO, UM, MY, MY PERCEPTION IS AT THE VERY LEAST, UM, WE, WE LOOK AT, UH, HAVING, UH, HA HAVING A, UH, CORRIDOR BASED, UH, MORATORIUM ON A TEMPORARY BASIS, UM, THAT WE RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL. MY PERCEPTION WOULD BE, UH, NOT NECESSARILY BASED ON 1000 FEET, BUT UH, FOR THIS SIDE OF THE CITY, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE, UM, ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE BACK END OF WEST COVINA PARKWAY. UM, AND THEN FOR THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CITY, I THINK WE WERE PROBABLY LOOKING AT, UM, I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE, UH, WALNUT CREEK WOULD PROBABLY BE THE, THE, THE CROSS STREET THAT WOULD MAKE THE MOST SENSE AS FAR AS DISTANCE, UM, FROM ON THE SOUTH SIDE. [00:45:01] AND THEN OBVIOUSLY, UM, I THINK, I THINK UP TO, TO WORKMAN THROUGHOUT THE REMAINDER OF THE CITY. THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION AND UH, I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL. AND I'LL SECOND, I ALSO WANNA ADD, UM, A LITTLE BIT TO THE HISTORIES OF, IN TERMS OF RESTAURANTS, I DO LOVE TO HAVE THE RESTAURANTS IN WEST COVINA. IT IS JUST SO CONVENIENT AS A RESIDENT JUST TO GO, YOU KNOW, VISIT THE RESTAURANTS AND WHAT HAVE YOU OR EAT THERE. I JUST ALSO WANTED TO SAY THAT THAT AREA, THAT CHICK-FIL-A AREA, UM, THEY DID TRY TO DEVELOP RESTAURANTS AROUND THAT AREA TWO DECADES AGO OR, OR A DECADE AGO. THAT MEANS 10 TO 20 YEARS AGO. BUT NONE OF THOSE RESTAURANTS SUCCEED. NOT ALL RESTAURANTS, THE SIT-IN RESTAURANTS IN WEST COA, JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE WANNA BUILD A RESTAURANT THERE IN A RESIDENCE OF WEST COS WILL NOT GO AND SUPPORT OUR LOCAL RESTAURANTS. THAT DOESN'T MEAN, SO THAT WHOLE GENERAL AREA, THERE USED TO BE RESTAURANTS ALL OVER MONTEY BAY COUNTER WAS THERE FOR YEARS. MM-HMM. SURE WAS. AND CHARLIE BROWN WAS THERE, THERE AND LOVES WAS THERE. AND WE USED TO HAVE A TONY ROMO, WHICH WASN'T IN THAT AREA, BUT OVERALL ON ASUZA. MM-HMM. , PART OF THAT'S THE REASON WHY CENSUS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE THEY LOOK AT YOUR POPULATION AND IT TELLS THEM WHAT TYPES OF SERVICES YOUR COMMUNITY NEEDS. ONE OF THE MAIN GENERATORS TOO IS THAT THEY LOOK AT THE INCOME LEVEL. I BELIEVE WHEN THE MACARONI GRILL WAS OVER AT THE LAKES, THEY INDICATED THEY COULD NOT GENERATE THE MONEY THAT THEY NEEDED TO. I THINK THERE WAS AN ELEPHANT BAR IT WAS OR SOMETHING OVER. WELL, WHERE THE CHICK-FIL-A IS. THAT WAS AN ELEPHANT BAR. OH YEAH. ALRIGHT, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? WE HAVE A PENDING MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. UH, SO WE HAVE THE MOTION BY ME AND SECONDED BY VICE CHAIR GUTIERREZ, UH, ROLL CALL. UH, CHAIR LEWIS, IF I COULD JUST CLARIFY, SO ON THE WEST END OF THE CITY, YOU WANTED TO GO AS FAR SOUTH AS WEST COVINA PARKWAY, AND THEN ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE CITY? YEAH, ON THE, ON THE EAST, I WOULD SAY AS FAR AS WORKMAN, I WOULD SAY WALNUT CREEK PARKWAY. I BELIEVE THAT'S, THAT'S THE STREET THAT COMES OUT, UH, RIGHT BY MCINTYRE SQUARE ON THE SOUTH SIDE. AND WORKMAN ON THE NORTH SIDE? CORRECT. OKAY. OKAY. UH, COMMISSIONER HANG. YES. AYE, AYE. OKAY. UH, COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS? NO. UH, COMMISSIONER AYE. VICE CHAIR GUTIERREZ AYE. UH, CHAIR LEWIS. AYE. MOTION PASSES. 41. OKAY. MOVING ON TO COMMISSION REPORTS, COMMENTS AND MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS. DOES ANYONE ON THE COMMISSION HAVE ANYTHING TO REPORT OR COMMENT ON AT THIS TIME? SEEING NONE, WE WILL MOVE ON [3. COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR'S REPORT] TO THE COMMUNITY DIRECT DE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR'S REPORT. PAULINA, DO YOU HAVE ANY ITEMS TO REPORT TO THE COMMISSION? UM, NO. OKAY. MOVING ON, UH, TO CITY COUNCIL ACTIONS, UH, ANY COUNCIL ACTIONS YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK TODAY? I APOLOGIZE, I GOT THAT CONFUSED. SO I DID WANNA GIVE, UH, PROVIDE AN UPDATE. , WE ARE CELEBRATING OUR CENTENNIAL THIS YEAR. WEST COVIN IS TURNING A HUNDRED. OUR BIRTHDAY IS NEXT MONTH IN FEBRUARY, AND WE ARE KICKING OFF, UH, THE CENTENNIAL YEAR WITH OUR, UM, CENTENNIAL CELEBRATION AND DINNER THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 16TH. UM, IT'LL BE LOCATED AT THE SPORTSPLEX. TICKETS ARE ON SALE. THEY'RE $50. UM, AND IT'S FROM SIX TO 8:00 PM THERE'S ALSO GOING TO BE FOLLOWING, UM, THE DINNER THAT WEEKEND, FEBRUARY, UM, 17TH TO THE EIGHT, UH, TO THE 19TH, THE CENTENNIAL SPRING FESTIVAL. UM, WE HAD THE SPRING FESTIVAL LAST YEAR AT THE SPORTSPLEX THIS YEAR BE RELOCATING TO GLENORA AVENUE. THERE'S GONNA BE, UH, CARNIVAL FOOD VENDORS, ENTERTAINMENT, AND A LOT OF FAMILY FUNDS. SO WE INVITE EVERYONE TO ATTEND, UM, OUR KICKOFF EVENTS FOR WEST COVINA CENTENNIAL. JUST CURIOUS, IS THERE A, IS IS THE CENTENNIAL FESTIVAL GOING TO BE DIFFERENT THIS YEAR THAN THE SPRING FESTIVAL OR, I, I'M, I'M JUST, I'M HONESTLY CURIOUS BECAUSE TECHNICALLY IT'S NOT SPRING , IT'S, UH, THERE'LL BE ELEMENTS OF IT, UM, ACTIVITIES RELATED TO THE CENTENNIAL. AND THEN WE ARE WORKING WITH THE SAME NONPROFITS FROM LAST YEAR TO INCORPORATE THEM INTO THIS YEAR'S FESTIVAL. SO OKAY. THE, THE CENTENNIAL FESTIVAL. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE SINCE WE HAVE NO FURTHER BUSINESS TO CONDUCT TONIGHT, UH, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED [00:50:01] AT 7:50 PM NIGHT. EVERYONE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.