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          GOOD EVENING, 
          [CALL TO ORDER]
UH, WE'LL CALL TO ORDER THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR APRIL 12TH, 2022 AT 7:00 PM. 
          WELL, NOW TAKE A MOMENT FOR SILENT PRAYER AND OR MEDITATION FOLLOWED BY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. 
          PLEASE STAND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE WILL BE LED BY COMMISSIONER HAYNE. 
          PLEASE JOIN ME. 
          I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG AND T STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY. 
          YES. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS, PRESIDENT, UH, COMMISSIONER GUTIERREZ, MISSIONARY HANG HERE. 
          VICE CHAIR LEWIS CHAIR. 
          BESERA HERE TONIGHT. 
          WE 
          [1. Regular meeting, February 8, 2022]
HAVE MINUTES FROM THE REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING ON FEBRUARY 8TH, 2022. 
          DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY CHANGES TO THE MINUTES? THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED AND SUBMITTED ORAL COMMUNICATIONS. 
          THIS IS A TIME WHEN ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC MAY SPEAK TO THE COMMISSION ON ANY MATTER WITHIN THE SCOPE OF DUTIES, ASSIGNED TO THE COMMISSION, RELATING TO NON AGENDIZED OR CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS. OTHER MATTERS INCLUDED IN THIS AGENDA MAY BE ADDRESSED WHEN THAT ITEM IS UNDER CONSIDERATION FOR ALL ORAL COMMUNICATIONS, THE CHAIR PERSON MAY IMPOSE A REASONABLE, A REASONABLE LIMITATIONS ON THE PUBLIC'S COMMENTS TO ENSURE AN ORDERLY AND TIMELY MEETING THE RALPH M. BROWN ACT LIMITS THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF'S ABILITY TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THIS MEETING. 
          THAT'S YOUR COMMENTS MAY BE AGENDIZED FOR A FUTURE MEETING OR REFERRED TO STAFF. 
          THE COMMISSION MAY ASK QUESTIONS FOR CLARIFICATION, IF DESIRED AT THIS TIME BY POLICY OF THE COMMISSION OR COMMUNICATIONS AT THIS TIME ON THE AGENDA IS LIMITED TO A TOTAL OF 15 MINUTES. 
          WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING? MADAM CHAIR? I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          OKAY, SO WE HAVE 
          [CONSENT CALENDAR]
ONE ITEM ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR, UH, WHO WILL RE UH, PRESENT THE STAFF REPORT. 
          OH, SORRY. 
          ARE WE CONSENT CALENDAR? THERE'S NO STAFF REPORT UNLESS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, IT HAS AN ITEM ITEM, NUMBER ONE, SINCE IT'S ON THE CONSENT CALENDARS. 
          SO IS THIS THE RIGHT SCRIPT SO YOU CAN APPROVE IT, UM, OR YOU CAN PULL IT AND ASK FOR A REPORT OR TO ASK QUESTIONS. 
          SO HAVE ONE, SORRY. 
          SO THERE'S A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR, UM, AND IT WOULD HAVE TO BE SECONDED OR YOU COULD PULL THE ITEM I'LL MOTION TO APPROVE THE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR ITEM IS EXTENSION OF TIME FOR PRECISE PLAN NUMBER 15 DASH ZERO SEVEN TENTATIVE TRACK MAP. 
          AND THIS WAS FOR, CAN WE, CAN WE GET AN UPDATE ON WHAT THIS ITEM IS? IT'S FOUR EXTENSION OF FOUR, AS YOU MENTIONED, THE PRECISE PLAN, 15 DASH 0 7 4, UM, PERMITS OR ENTITLEMENTS THAT WERE APPROVED BY THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, WHICH EXPIRED OCTOBER, OCTOBER, 2020. 
          UM, SO THEY'RE ASKING FOR THEIR FIRST EXTENSION FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UH, VICE CHAIR LEWIS HAS MOTION TO APPROVE. 
          SECOND, ALL SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          ROLL CALL. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS. I, UH, COMMISSIONER GUTIERREZ, COMMISSIONER HAYNE. 
          I, UH, VICE CHAIR LEWIS AND CHAIR  AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
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WE'LL NOW MOVE ON 
          [3. ADMINISTRATIVE USE PERMIT NO. 22-01]
TO PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THIS MEETING TONIGHT. 
          WE HAVE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS. 
          LET'S SEE, WHO WILL PRESENT THE STAFF REPORT. 
          PLAINTIFF MADAM CHAIR. 
          I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE OUR NEW ASSISTANT PLANNER, TERRY RIVERA. 
          AND SO IT'S HIS VERY FIRST PLANNING COMMISSION WITH US AND HE WILL BE DOING THE PRESENTATION FOR YOU. 
          THANK YOU, TERRY. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          MADAM CHAIR AND FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. 
          THIS IS ITEM NUMBER THREE ON THE AGENDA AND APPLICATION FOR AN ADMINISTRATIVE USE PERMIT. 
          THE APPLICANT'S NEIGHBOR HAS REQUESTED THAT WE PROVIDE HER EMAIL EXCHANGE WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT. 
          SO THE EMAILS WERE PRINTED AND HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED AMONG THE COMMISSIONERS. 
          AND IT'S ALSO AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC. 
          THE AUP APPLICATION BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A WOOD WALL TOPPER. 
          ON TOP OF A WALL, THE HOMEOWNER INSTALLED THE WOOD TALKER PRIOR TO AUP APPROVAL, THEN INSTALLED WALL TOPPER WILL INCREASE THE HEIGHT FROM SIX FEET TO SEVEN FEET. 
          THE PICTURES ABOVE SHOW THE EXISTING WOOD WALL TOPPER THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED. 
          THIS IS THE EXISTING COLOR OF THE WOOD PANELS THAT CREATE THE WET TOPPER. 
          THE PHOTO ON THE LEFT SHOWS THE WATER, THE WOOD TOPPER ON THE APPLICANT'S SIDE FRONT WALL. 
          THE TWO OTHER PHOTOS ARE VIEWS FROM THE NEIGHBOR'S SIDE OF THE WALL. 
          STAFF SENT OUT PUBLIC NOTICES TO OCCUPANTS OF PROPERTIES WITHIN A 300 FOOT RADIUS OF THE PROJECT SITE WITH INFORMATION REGARDING THE REQUEST TO INCREASE WALL HEIGHT AS SPECIFIED BY THE AUP PROCESS. 
          AS A LETTER WAS RECEIVED BY THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER TO THE SOUTH OF THE PROJECT SITE, REQUESTING A PUBLIC HEARING, THE RE THE RAISED ISSUE IS OVER THE WOOD TOPPER MATERIAL. 
          BASED ON THIS REQUEST TO AUP IS BEING FORWARDED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          THE CONCERN IS A MATERIAL WHICH THE NEIGHBOR FELT DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL AESTHETIC STANDARDS TO ADDRESS THE NEIGHBOR'S CONCERN. 
          STAFF IS RECOMMENDING TO HAVE THE APPLICANT PAINT, THE WOOD TOPPER COLOR, SIMILAR TO THE BLOCK WALL. 
          THE PICTURE ABOVE IS A RENDERED IMAGE OF WHAT THE WORD TOPPER COULD LOOK LIKE IF IT WAS PAINTED TO MATCH THE BLOCK. 
          THE BLOCK WALL STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION ADOPT THE RESOLUTION APPROVING ADMINISTRATIVE USE PERMIT NUMBER 22 DASH ZERO ONE. 
          AND THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION I'M AVAILABLE. 
          IF THE COMMISSIONER HAS ANY QUESTIONS, ALSO, WE DO HAVE THE APPLICANT PRESENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO THE PERMIT IS FOR, TO BUILD THE ADDITIONAL FOOTAGE OR FOR, TO PAINT IT IT'S FOR APPROVAL OF THE WALL TOPPER ITSELF AS IT WAS INSTALLED WITHOUT THE AUP SODAS FOR THE HEIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT'S NOT, IT JUST SOUNDED LIKE IT WAS FROM ONE OR THE OTHER OR BOTH. 
          OKAY. 
          THE ADJACENT NEIGHBOR IS, UM, I BELIEVE NOT IN FAVOR OF THE WALL TOPPER. 
          AND SO TO, UM, TRY TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS STAFF IS RECOMMENDING COLORING IT TO SIMILAR COLOR OF THE BLOCK WALL. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, THANK YOU FOR THE REPORT. 
          TERRY, DOES ANY MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY QUESTION FOR STAFF? I DO. 
          SO, SO WHY IS IT THAT THE, I GUESS IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S SORT OF AN EX POST FACTO AUP. 
          UM, WHY IS IT THAT WE'RE NOT EXPLORING THE OPTION OF JUST INCREASING THE SIZE OF THE BRICK WALL ITSELF AS IN CONTINUING WITH THE SAME TYPE OF MATERIAL, OR IS THIS JUST SORT OF TRYING TO CREATE SORT OF A MIDDLE GROUND? IS THAT BASICALLY WHAT I'M TO TAKE OF THIS THAT WAS STAFF'S INTENTION TO CREATE A SORT OF MIDDLE GROUND WITH THE RECOMMENDATION? HOWEVER, UM, IT IS UP TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WHETHER OR NOT THAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS ACCEPTABLE OR WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO APPROVE, APPROVE A HIGHER WALL WITH THE  CONTINUATION OF THE CONCRETE MASONRY BLOCK WALL. 
          IS THERE ANY SPECIFIC ROLE IN OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE WITH REGARD TO WALL TALKERS? UM, THE DEVELOPMENT CODE DOES NOT, DOES NOT ADDRESS WALL TOPPERS. 
          IT JUST TALKS ABOUT THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF FENCES AND WALLS. 
          DO WE HAVE ANY PRECEDENTS ON THIS WHATSOEVER? WE LOOKED AT PAST PLANNING, COMMISSION, AUP APPLICATIONS THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, AND WE HAVE NOT SEEN ANY, ANY 
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PUBLIC HEARING REQUESTS OR APS FOR A HIGHER WALL THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD APPROVED. 
          UM, THERE HAD BEEN SOME AEP APPLICATIONS FOR, FOR, UM, A HIGHER WALL THAT NOBODY REQUESTED A HEARING FOR. 
          AND SO BY DEFAULT, IT WAS JUST APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY, BUT NONE FOR A PLANNING COMMISSION REVIEW. 
          AND DID ANY OF THOSE INCLUDE WALL TOPPERS? UM, I'M NOT SURE. 
          I DIDN'T LOOK FURTHER THAT FAR INTO IT. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER, GOOD TEARS. 
          NOT AT THIS TIME, MR. WILLIAMS. NOT AT THIS TIME. 
          NO, SIR. 
          NOT AT THIS TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, NOT OPEN THIS FOR PUBLIC HEARING. 
          UH, CAN WE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT OR THOSE IN FAVOR? YEAH. 
          GIVES ME THE APPLICANT FIRST. 
          IS THE APPLICANT HERE? YES. 
          YES. 
          OH, WELL, YOU'D HAVE TO COME UP UP AND SPEAK AT THE BASE. 
          PLEASE. 
          YOU CAN ADDRESS YOUR REQUEST FOR THE, UH, APPLICATION AND WHY YOU'RE REQUESTING IT. 
          OKAY. 
          I HAVE THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME. 
          UM, THE PURPOSE OF THIS REQUEST IS FOR THE SECURITY BOTH FROM AND TO THE OUTSIDE, WE HAVE A GERMAN SHEPHERD SHE'S YOUNG SHE'S SPRY. 
          SHE'S ABLE TO LEAP THE FENCE. 
          WE ALSO ARE DOING IT FOR THE PURPOSES OF SECURITY. 
          IT APPEARS THAT THE CONTENTION OF THE NEIGHBOR HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT THE CODE IS. 
          STIPULATING. 
          WHEN THE CITY CAME BY WITH THE CODE, THEY SAID THE ISSUE WAS THE HEIGHT. 
          HER CONTENTION IS NOT THE HEIGHT. 
          THE CONTENTION IS THAT SHE DOES NOT LIKE THE MATERIAL OF THE WALL. 
          THE ADJACENT NEIGHBOR ON THE OTHER SIDE WAS ELATED FOR THE PRIVACY. 
          SHE HERSELF IS ENJOYING THE PRIVACY BECAUSE SHE HAS A WINDOW ON THE SIDE THAT SHE NEVER OPENS, BUT NOW SHE OPENS IT. 
          SO SHE SHE'S ENJOYING THE HEIGHT OF THE FENCE, JUST NOT THE MATERIAL. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY. 
          THIS IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE. 
          THIS IS JUST A FENCE. 
          IT'S A TOPPER. 
          SO THAT'S IT. 
          THANKS WILMA. 
          DOES ANYBODY, ANY OF THE STAFF HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT VICE-CHAIR LOUIS? UM, NO. 
          I'M GOOD. 
          UM, I DO, UM, DID YOU HIRE A CONTRACTOR TO PUT THE WALL TOPPER? I DID. 
          DID HE MAKE YOU AWARE THAT BECAUSE THE EXISTING WALL WAS ALREADY SIX FEET TALL, THAT THERE NEEDED TO BE A BUILDING PERMIT TAKEN OUT? WELL, MY EX-HUSBAND IS THE ONE WHO INITIATED, INITIATED THIS. 
          SO HE WAS THE ONE WHO AND NOT TO THE WHOLE PROCESS. 
          SO I WAS NOT NECESSARILY INVOLVED. 
          HOWEVER, THIS IS MY HOME. 
          SO I TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY. 
          SO I WAS NOT PART OF THAT. 
          IT'S ONLY AFTERWARDS WHEN OUR DEAR NEIGHBOR, WHOM WE HAD A WONDERFUL RELATIONSHIP WITH DECIDED TO, UH, MAKE THIS AN ISSUE. 
          THAT'S WHEN I FOUND OUT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, NOT BEFOREHAND. 
          AND SO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CONDITIONS THAT THE PLANNING STAFF IS RECOMMENDING IS THAT NOW YOUR EXISTING BLOCK WALL IS A BLUE, THE WOOD TOPPER, WHICH IS NOW BLACK WOULD NEED TO BE PAINTED THE SAME COLOR BLUE. 
          THEY'RE ALSO SAYING YOU WOULD NEED, I BLEW THE THEY'RE RECOMMENDING THAT THE COLOR BE PAINTED THE SAME COLOR AS HER WALL. 
          SO, SO NOT BLUE, OUTSIDE IS BLACK, RIGHT. 
          IS BLACK. 
          I THINK THAT THEY'RE RECOMMENDING THAT IT BE PAINTED THE SAME COLOR AS HER WALL, SO THAT THERE'S NO DIFFERENTIATION. 
          OTHER, IS THAT THE CASE STAFF? UM, NEIGHBORS CHAIRED WILLIAMS. YES. 
          SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING PAINTING. 
          THEY'LL ALL SIMILAR TO THE BLOCK WALL ON THE SIDE OF THE NEIGHBOR. 
          OKAY. 
          AND YOU'RE AWARE THAT YOU'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO OBTAIN A BUILDING PERMIT, WHICH IS WHY THEY 
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DO ALSO HAVE THE CONDITION ABOUT HAVING THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER. 
          WELL, WE DID HAVE A CHANCE TO SEE THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL I'VE APPLIED FOR THE BUILDING PERMIT ALREADY PAID THE FEES, DID ALL THE NECESSARY STEPS. 
          SO UNLESS I'M MISTAKEN, THIS IS PART OF THE APPROVAL PROCESS. 
          DON'T NO, THIS IS THE PART OF THE PLANNING, THE ZONING, BUT THE ACTUAL ISSUANCE OF THE PERMIT IS WHAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WILL GUIDE YOU ON. 
          AT THAT POINT, IT'S GOOD THAT YOU APPLIED FOR THE BUILDING PERMIT AND WE JUST HAVE TO GET THROUGH THIS PLANNING PROCESS. 
          SO BASICALLY THIS IS MORE OF A MEDIATION. 
          UM, SO WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU CONSTRUCTED IT FOR PRIOR TO, YOU PROBABLY WANT YOUR NEIGHBOR SAID, HEY, WE'RE GONNA DO THIS. 
          AND I MEAN, IS THAT WHAT YOU DID BEFORE? AND EVERYBODY WAS ON BOARD TIL AFTER THE FACT, OR YOU JUST BUILT IT FROM MY UNDERSTANDING PRIOR TO MY EX-HUSBAND ERECTING, THE WALL, HE SPOKE TO BOTH NEIGHBORS, ONE ACQUIESCED, SHE ACQUIESCED INITIALLY VIA TEXT AND SAID, NO PROBLEM. 
          HOWEVER, ONCE WE PUT IT UP, SHE DID NOT LIKE THE MATERIAL. 
          SO THAT'S WHEN EVERYTHING WENT, WHAT IS THAT MADE OUT OF? JUST WHAT? OKAY. 
          SO I DIDN'T CON SOMETIMES FINAL LOOKS REALLY NICE. 
          IT'S I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IN MY OPINION, IT'S VERY AESTHETICALLY PLEASING. 
          IT IS AN ECONOMICAL WAY TO PUT A TOPPER AS OPPOSED TO DOING THE WHOLE IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE BLOCK. 
          DOES IT LOOK LIKE IT'S BEEN DONE IN A WORKMAN-LIKE MANNER AS WELL? IT HAS BEEN. 
          IS THERE A WAY TO ZOOM IN ON THE PICTURE TO SEE THE MATERIAL IT'S WOOD? I KNOW. 
          I WANT TO SEE WHAT KIND OF LIKE COUNTER, IT LOOKS UP CLOSE. 
          IT'S TOO FAR FROM OVER HERE. 
          SO RIGHT NOW IT'S BLACK. 
          IT'S PAINTED BLACK. 
          OKAY. 
          ON HER SIDE. 
          IT'S BLACK TOO. 
          YES. 
          SO WE HAD THE OPTION TO LEAVE IT UNFINISHED AND ON. 
          SO IF YOU WERE TO SEE IT, BOTH SIDES, THERE'S A MIDDLE AND BOTH SIDES ARE OKAY. 
          SO WE HAD THE OPTION TO LEAVE IT OPEN, BUT WE WENT AHEAD AND FINISHED THAT SIDE AS WELL, SO THAT HE COULD LOOK GOOD ON HER SIDE. 
          SO IT'S NOT UNTIL AFTER EVERYTHING WAS FINISHED. 
          THAT WAS AN ISSUE. 
          GOT IT. 
          SO, SO ON HER SIDE, HER BRICK WALLS PAINTED BLUE. 
          NO. 
          SO THAT THIS IS LOOKING FROM HER SIDE OF THE FENCE. 
          SO THIS IS A SIDE OF THE FENCE THAT WOULD BE PAINTED TO MATCH THAT BLOCK WALL BELOW IT, WHICH IS THE NEIGHBORS SIDE. 
          SO THAT'S THE NEIGHBOR SIDE. 
          THE APPLICANT'S HOUSE IS THE BLUE ONE ON THE APPLICANT SIDE. 
          WE'RE NOT REQUESTING HER TO DO ANY CHANGES OR PAINT OR WHAT HAVE YOU, WE'RE JUST REQUESTING ON THE NEIGHBOR'S SIDE TO MAKE IT A LITTLE ORANGY COLORS TO MATCH THE BOTTOM BRICK WALL. 
          THAT CORRECT. 
          THAT WOULD BE AT THE DISCRETION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          SO THIS IS THE NEIGHBORS SIDE. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S THE NEIGHBORS THOUGH. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WHAT DOES THE NEIGHBOR WANT? I WANT IT TO BE PAINTED TO MATCH THE WALL THEN. 
          SHOULD WE HAVEN'T HEARD WHAT THE NEIGHBOR WANTS? NEIGHBOR CAN COME BACK ON FORWARD. 
          YES. 
          RIGHT NOW, ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO. 
          WE'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM HOW LONG HAS THIS WALL HAS BEEN BUILT? JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY. 
          I WANT TO MISSPEAK IN KITS LAST, MAYBE APRIL, I GUESS, A YEAR AGO. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I, I HAD ONE QUICK QUESTION. 
          UM, IS THAT, UH, WHAT, WHAT TYPE OF, UH, LUMBER WAS USED IN THE CONSTRUCTION? I COULDN'T TELL YOU THE EXACT DO, DOES THE STAFF NOW LOOK LIKE A FACIAL MATERIA? OKAY. 
          IS, IS IT PRESSURE TREATED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          NOW I HAVE MADE ME A CRUSH FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY. 
          IF WE WERE TO, LET'S JUST SAY WE WANTED, IT'S PAINTED BLUE FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO GIVE THAT DIRECTION WILL MEAN THAT THE CONTRACTOR WILL HAVE TO GO ON TO THE OTHER PROPERTY LINE AND PAINT IT. 
          AND IF THAT PAINT FALLS ON THE WALL OR SOMETHING, AND WHO'S, WHO'S LIABLE, THEN I DON'T THINK THEY'RE ASKING, OR THEY'RE ASKING YOU TO PAINT YOUR SIDE BLUE. 
          NO, I'M NOT SURE WHERE BLUE CAME UP TO. 
          THEY'RE NOT ASKING TO PAINT IT BLUE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHAT ARE THEY, WHAT ARE THEY? SO WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE COLOR ISSUE HERE, STAFF. 
          SO IF WE LOOK AT THIS PICTURE RIGHT NOW, THIS IS THE SIDE OF THE NEIGHBOR. 
          SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING, WE PAINT THE SIDE OF THE WALL OR THE SIDE OF THE WALL, TOPPER A COLOR SIMILAR 
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TO MATCH THAT BLOCK WALL RIGHT BELOW IT, THE BLOCK WALL. 
          THAT'S WHAT THE NEIGHBOR WANTS. 
          THAT'S WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING. 
          SO DOES, DOES THAT, DOES THAT HOMEOWNER ONE, WANT IT TO MATCH THE BLOCK WALL? I BELIEVE THERE ARE ISSUES WITH THE MATERIAL OF THE, THE DWELL TOPPER. 
          AND WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS IT THROUGH HAVING THE COLOR MATCH THE BLOCK WALL. 
          BUT DO WE KNOW OF THE HOMEOWNER EVEN ONCE WE'VE REACHED OUT? WELL, WE'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM HER. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          I DIDN'T CATCH YOUR NAME. 
          MILAN. 
          ROLL-ON RYLAN. 
          MARILYN. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          WE'RE GONNA BE HAVING ANOTHER QUESTIONS. 
          WELL, THANK YOU. 
          AND NOW WE'LL HEAR FROM THOSE OPPOSED, IS THAT LOOSE? AUSTER HIM ASTER. 
          HERN, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. 
          UH, MY NAME IS LOUIS AUSTER HAIM. 
          I'VE BEEN IN THIS COMMUNITY FOR 39 YEARS AND I DON'T AGREE WITH PAINTING THE, THE WOOD. 
          THE COLOR IS OF THE ACTUAL FENCE. 
          THAT WOULD IS ENDURABLE. 
          IT'S NOT PERMANENT. 
          IT'S ALREADY SPLITTING UP. 
          AND WHEN THEY, THEY WERE BUILDING THAT, EXCUSE ME. 
          I WENT OUT THERE AND I TOLD THEM, NO, IT'S NOT. 
          I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT. 
          IT DOESN'T MUCH. 
          MY SIDE OF THE FENCE IS DISTURBED THE VIEW OF MY PATIO. 
          SO YOU SPOKE TO HER EX-HUSBAND AND UM, WE TALK OVER AND OVER. 
          I TOLD HIM IF YOU WANT TO MAKE IT HIGHER FOR YOURSELF AND YOUR PRIVACY DO IT ON YOUR SIDE OF THE, NOT ON MY SIDE. 
          I MEAN, THAT IS A COMMON FENCE, RIGHT? IT BELONGS TO BOTH OF US. 
          SO I FOUND SOMETHING ON THE CITY OF WEST COVINA MUNICIPAL, OR, OH, THIS SAYS THAT DEFENSE NEEDS TO BE THE SIGN TO TOO, BUT IS THERE EIGHT TO DO A BLOG? I JUST SHOULDN'T MATTER WHAT IT IS. 
          LOCK ADDITIONAL LIKE IT IS, SIR. 
          IT'S BEEN THERE FOR 30 SOME YEARS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I, WHEN I HAD AN ADVICE, YOU KNOW, THAT I X MESSAGE. 
          YOU CAME THE PORTION. 
          THERE IS SAYS, THERE NEEDS TO BE MUCH BECAUSE THESE THREE COMPARABLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA. 
          AND, UM, SO THEN AFTER I SENT THAT, MRS. AMAZON DECIDED TO THE CUT ME OFF, SHE SAYS SHE DIDN'T WANT ANY MORE MESSAGES FROM ME. 
          SHE CUT ME OFF. 
          SHE DIDN'T GIVE ME NO LEVERAGE. 
          AND JUST SAID, WE'RE GONNA LOCK THIS NUMBER, MY NUMBER. 
          SO I DIDN'T HAVE NO SEARCH TO DISCUSS IT WITH THEM. 
          AND I THINK I HEARD SOME COMMON FOR DC INSTEAD OF JUST, I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT. 
          I'M GOING TO IGNORE YOU AND YOU'RE ACTING MALICIOUS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO AT THAT TIME I WENT TO, TO THEM, FORESMAN CALLED AND REPORTED IT. 
          AND IT'S BEEN A YEAR SHE'S BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH. 
          THEY HAVE ALL THE EMAILS FROM MYSELF TO HIM, FROM THEM. 
          THEY FIGHT THE CONTACT HERE AND THEY NOT ONLY JUST IN OUR WEST FOR INSPECTION AND ALSO ANY KIND OF COMMUNICATION. 
          SO THIS TOPPER HAS BEEN BUILT SINCE MARCH. 
          WE NEED TO DO WITH NEVER SEES. 
          WE WENT BACK AND FORTH. 
          I'VE BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH. 
          UM, AND ENFORCEMENT OF ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT REFERRED THIS MATTER TO YOU WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT. 
          I DON'T AGREE WITH PAIN INTO THE WOODS. 
          NO, THAT'S NOT. 
          THAT'S NOT DURABLE. 
          IT USED TO BE BLOCK THE WAY IT IS, WHAT IT WAS ALL THIS 39 YEARS. 
          THERE HASN'T EVER BEEN AN ISSUE OF PRIVACY. 
          SIT UP. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          SO WHAT HAPPENS IF, UM, THE OTHER, YOUR NEIGHBOR, UH, 
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GETS IT PAINTED WHERE THEY, UM, WHERE IS IT CALLED IT, SAY IT'S A WARD PROTECTIVE PAINT CODING. 
          SO IT, IT CREATES A LITTLE SHINE TO IT, BUT IT, IT PROTECTS THE WOOD FOR THE LONG RUN. 
          SO, SO WHAT, WHERE ARE YOU ASKING FOR IT TO BE REMOVED? SHE CAN GO AHEAD AND RACE IT ON THEIR SIDE, LEAVE THE WALL THE WAY IT IS, OR SHE CAN USE THE SAME MATERIAL THERE IS. 
          IT'S BEEN THERE FOR SIX. 
          SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR CITY STAFF. 
          WHAT THAT WALL, WHICH PARCEL WAS IT ON IT IT'S AN MB TRAINED TWO HOUSES OR IS IT ON WHICH PARCEL DO WE KNOW? DO WE KNOW IF IT'S IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO HOUSES ON THE MIDDLE LINE OR WAS IT DAWN ON HER PROPERTY LINE OR HER PROPERTY LINE? IS THAT WHAT REALLY DETERMINED? WE DO NOT HAVE A SURVEY TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION. 
          OKAY. 
          THE PREVIOUS HONOR OF MRS. SAMA SON HOUSE, UM, WORK WITH ME, WE BOUGHT WORK TOGETHER TO REPAIR IT BECAUSE IT WAS, WE PAID HALF AND HALF AND US DISCUSSED BETWEEN US, BUT THIS, AND DO YOU KNOW IF IT WAS ON LIKE, UH, YOU BUILD IT IN, RIGHT, RIGHT ON THE MIDDLE LINE OR BE TRAINED TO PARCELS OR WASN'T YOUR PARCEL OR HER PAR. 
          SO DO YOU KNOW IF IT WILL BE BETWEEN, BECAUSE THE TRAIN OKAY. 
          THIS SAME SIDE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF MY HOUSE. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO TO ME, IT BELONGS TO BOTH OF US AND I DON'T LIKE THE ABUSE THAT HE GIVES THEM MY SIDE OF THE PARTY. 
          SO IF THEY WERE TO TAKE DOWN THE SIDE, WELL, SHE'S, SHE SAID THAT SHE MADE AN EFFORT TO PUT IT ON BOTH SIDES. 
          SO YOUR SIDE WILL LOOK FINISHED, BUT YOU DON'T LIKE THE FINISH. 
          SO IF SHE WAS TO TAKE OFF THE FINISHED SIDE OFF OF YOUR SIDE, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU WOULD SEE THE, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD, IT WOULD LOOK PROBABLY WORSE. 
          UM, NO, WE, WE DIDN'T GO BY THAT. 
          I WOULDN'T HAVE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO NOW SHE'S, SHE'S GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF GETTING THE PROPER PERMITS. 
          SO I THINK A LATER, YEAH. 
          SO SHE'S YEAH. 
          SO IT LOOKS LIKE SHE'S GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS. 
          SO IF TECHNICALLY, IF THAT'S A SHARER WALL, THEN IF WE TAKE THAT AREA OFF, SO TECHNICALLY SHE COULD STILL GET THE PERMIT FOR, FOR SIGNING AREA. 
          SO Y'ALL, YOU'LL HAVE A HALF FINISHED AREA. 
          WHY ETHAN? UM, ISN'T DONE ACCORDING TO WHAT HE SAYS OVER HERE. 
          IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN AFTER YOU REACH A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF FEET, IT REQUIRES A STRUCTURING ENGINEERING TO LOOK AT IT. 
          SO THE APPLICANT IS NOW APPLYING FOR THE PROPER PROCESS AND OBTAINING A PERMIT TO LEAD THAT UP. 
          NOW, THE CRUSHING WE'RE RUNNING INTO IS THAT WE HAVE A WALL THAT'S SHARED BY TWO HOMEOWNERS. 
          SO WHAT DO WE DO, HOW TO RESOLVE THIS ISSUE. 
          AND ONE OF THE IDEAS IS, IS THAT THEN IF WE, IF WE TAKE OFF YOUR STAT, THAT AREA WHERE YOU GUYS ARE SHARING THAT YOU HAVE THE REMAINING LEFT. 
          UM, WELL, WHEN, UM, AT OFFICER FROM QUOTING FORCEMENT, HE CAME OVER, HE AGREED WITH ME THAT THAT WAS HOW IT, THAT IT WASN'T WHAT, OH, THE CODE IS NOT CORRECT. 
          CAUSE SHE DID, THEY DID NOT SEEK PERMITS. 
          SO THAT'S WHY THEY'RE HERE TODAY. 
          BEDROCK. 
          IS IT BUILT TO CODE? YEAH. 
          IS IT BUILT TO CODE? SO THEY ARE GETTING THEIR ADMINISTRATIVE USE PERMIT FROM THAT'S THE REQUEST RIGHT NOW FOR THE HEIGHT. 
          UM, AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT SAID THAT THEY DID SUBMIT FOR PLAN CHECK WITH BUILDING. 
          SO THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF BUILDING. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH HOW IT WAS BUILT, NOTHING, THE HEIGHT, CHILL MATERIAL. 
          AND WE DON'T KNOW. 
          UM, I BELIEVE THE HOME OWNER, UM, ALON WAS HERE EARLIER AND SHE'S GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS. 
          SHE NEEDED US TO APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE FOR THAT PARTICULAR WALL FIRST, BEFORE SHE CAN MOVE ON TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. 
          SO THIS IS LIKE A FIRST STEP FOR US, WHETHER IT'S TO APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE. 
          AND IT SEEMS LIKE IF, IF I HEAR IT CORRECTLY, UM, COMMISSIONER  IS TRYING TO TELL US, OR 
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AT LEAST WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT. 
          IF THE WALL BELONGS TO YOU COMPLETELY ON YOUR PROPERTY LINE AND PRETTY MUCH YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU WANTED TO DO. 
          BUT IF THE WALL BELONGS TO HER PROPERTY LINE, IT'S BASICALLY HER WALL AND SHE CAN PRETTY MUCH DO WHAT SHE WANT TO DO WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE HEIGHT INCREASE. 
          THAT'S WHAT, WHEN WE'RE HERE TO APPROVE. 
          HOWEVER, IF THE WALLS IN BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINE, WHAT HE WAS TRYING TO IMPLY IS THAT NOW THAT THEY'RE FINISHING TWO SIDES OF THE WOODEN PORTION, IF SHE WERE TO ONLY KEEP, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, AND WE WERE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW THIS WHOLE, UM, WELL, UH, POINT OF ORDER SHOULD SUPERSEDE ANYTHING. 
          WHAT I, WHAT I'M ASKING IS I I'M, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, DO WE HAVE ANY MORE, UH, SPEAKERS? AND IF WE HAVE ANY MORE, THEY SHOULD BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY BEFORE WE GET INTO ANALYZING THE ISSUE FURTHER. 
          THERE'S NO ONE ELSE WHO'S OPPOSED. 
          NOPE. 
          MADAM CHAIR. 
          UM, BUT THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE THE ABILITY TO REBUT. 
          YES. 
          WE CAN GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS FIRST AND THEN WE'LL GET BACK TO THIS LATER, BUT SHE LEFT THE ROOM. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW. 
          SHE JUST CAME BACK. 
          OH. 
          SO I'M NOT SURE THAT SHE HEARD ANYTHING THAT WAS SAID AND DID OKAY. 
          TO THE SPEAKER HAS ELAPSED HER TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WHAT HAPPENS WITH ALL THE WORK THAT CUT ENFORCEMENT HAS DONE? I'M SORRY. 
          I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION UP PELETON FORSMAN WAS INVOLVED ON THIS. 
          IT TRIED TO CONTACT HER FOR A WHOLE YEAR. 
          SHE NOTED AND ALL THE TIME THEY SPEND AT NIGHT IS SPENT TRYING TO RESOLVE. 
          THIS IS JUST GOING TO WASTE. 
          IS THAT WHAT IT IS? NO. 
          THAT'S HOW IT GOT TO HERE. 
          THAT'S HOW THIS CODE ENFORCEMENT AND ALL THAT GODS TO US. 
          AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A DECISIONS LATER ON. 
          THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          UM, LOUIS FOSTER HOME, WE'RE GOING TO LET THE APPLICANT COME BACK UP. 
          YOU TOO RYLAN. 
          WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME BACK UP AND, UH, ADDRESS? YEAH. 
          CHERRY TO BE CLEAR. 
          IT IT'S, WE'RE PROVIDING OPPORTUNITY FOR THE APPLICANT TO REBUT. 
          THEY WANT TO IT'S IT IS UP TO THEM. 
          SO IF WE'RE ADDRESSING THE CODE, THE CODE, UM, PERTAINS TO THE HEIGHT OF THE WALL. 
          SO THE PERMIT IS TO, UM, GET APPROVAL FOR THE HEIGHT OF THE WALL. 
          IT IS NOT ABOUT THE NUANCES OF TASTE AND WHAT SHE LIKES AND WHAT SHE DOESN'T LIKE. 
          BUT IF WE'RE GOING STRICTLY BY THE CODE AND HOW CODE ENFORCEMENT, UM, CONTACTED ME, I THINK THAT SHOULD BE THE, THE ISSUE BECAUSE NO ONE ELSE HAD, HAVE TOLD ME THAT THE MATERIALS OR HOW IT WAS CONSTRUCTED IS AN ISSUE. 
          SO I'LL JUST LEAVE IT THERE. 
          I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR YOU AND WE ALWAYS GO BY THE CODE. 
          BUT, UM, MY QUESTION IS, DO YOU KNOW WHERE THE WALL ON THE PROPERTY LINE LIES WITH THEM? ARE YOU SHARING THE PROPERTY LINE FOR THAT WALL? DO YOU KNOW? I WOULD HAVE TO GET A SURVEYOR TO DO THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          WHEN I LOOKED INTO THAT, THE CORE COSTS WAS EXORBITANT AND I'M NOT GOING TO DO THAT FOR THIS WALL BECAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY ON HER SIDE. 
          IT'S IT'S IF WORST COMES TO WORST AND SHE WANTS US TO REMOVE HER POINT, HER PROPORTION, WE CAN DO DO THAT. 
          BUT IF WE DO THAT, IT'S GOING TO BE UGLY AND EXPOSE THE WHOLE IDEA OF US CLOSING THAT OFF. 
          IT WAS TO MAKE IT LOOK MORE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING. 
          SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I DO NOT KNOW, BUT I BELIEVE IT IS WITHIN. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY MORE QUESTIONS? THE APPLICANT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANKS. 
          SO AT THIS TIME WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, OPEN COMMISSION DISCUSSION. 
          SO PAULINE AT THIS TIME, EVERYTHING IS UP TO CODE. 
          THERE'S NOTHING THAT THAT IS, SHOULD STOP HER PERMIT, THAT BEING APPROVED, THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS, RIGHT. 
          YOU KNOW, THIS EVENING, GETTING THE ENTITLEMENTS FROM PLANNING TO GET TO THAT WALL TOPPER TO CODE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, 
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TO ME, THE TOPPER ACTUALLY, I'VE SEEN VERY TASTEFUL TOPPERS THAT LOOKS ACTUALLY NICE. 
          AND YOU KNOW, I, I SEE ALSO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE COLORS IS WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBOR DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, LIKE, UM, BUT ALSO I SEE THAT THE APPLICANT WENT ABOVE AND DID HER SIDE AS WELL, WHICH PROBABLY COST HER AS WELL TO TRY AND PLEASE THE NEIGHBOR. 
          SO, UM, DO ANY OTHER UNDER THE COMMISSION HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? UM, YES. 
          SO LET'S SEE. 
          SO IN OUR APPROVAL TO THEIR, YOU ASKING US TO APPROVE THE PAINT, THE COLOR OF THE WALL. 
          OH, THAT WAS JUST AN OPEN IVF. 
          IT'S A CONDITION OF APPROVAL TO MATCH THE COLOR, TO MATCH THE BLOCK WALL TO NOT NECESSARILY A SPECIFIC COLOR, BUT IT DOES HAVE MORE ALONG THE MATCHING LINES OF THE PUCK WALL. 
          OKAY. 
          I, OH, SORRY. 
          DO WE HAVE ANY EMOTIONS? WAIT, HOLD ON. 
          I LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THIS. 
          SO CURRENTLY THE BLOCK WALL IS AT SIX FEET. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? SIX SPEED AT ITS HIGHEST POINT. 
          IT'S AT THE HIGHEST POINTS AND SIX FEET. 
          AND BASICALLY WHAT'S COMING. 
          A CODE IS REQUIRED FOR US TO HAVE ONLY SIX FEET OR BELOW, BUT IF YOU WANT TO GO ANY HIGHER, THEY BASICALLY NEED TO REQUEST STAFF FOR A SPECIAL PERMIT OR COME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A SPECIAL PERMISSIONS TO INCREASE THE HEIGHTS OF THE WALL. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? UM, SIX FEET IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT. 
          ANYTHING OVER SIX FEET. 
          UM, BUT BILL, BUT NO HIGHER THAN SEVEN REQUIRES AN ADMINISTRATIVE USE PERMIT APPLICATION. 
          ANYTHING HIGHER THAN SEVEN REQUIRES A VARIANCE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO STAFF SEEMS TO BE OKAY TO THE HEIGHTS OF THE BALLS TO GO UP TO SEVEN FEET. 
          THE ONLY THING IS THAT THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING TO CHANGE THE COLOR THAT THAT IS THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. 
          HOWEVER, IT'S UP TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS THE AUTHORITY TO REMOVE THE CONDITION OR REVISE THE, THE, THE DRAFT CONDITION OF APPROVAL. 
          NOW CITY ATTORNEY WILL OPERATIVE WITH THE WALLS ON A SHARE PARCEL. 
          THE COMMISSION STILL HAS AUTHORITY TO CONDITION, TO CONDITION THIS APPROVAL AND APPROVE THE ADMINISTRATIVE USE PERMIT. 
          AT THIS POINT, WE HAVE TO ASSUME THAT IT'S A SHARED PARCEL BECAUSE NO ONE KNOWS WHOSE OR WHAT IF IT IS? WHAT IS IT? THE COMMISSION'S RESPONSE IS, IS IT, DOES THE COMMISSION HAVE THAT DISCRETION TO DETERMINE WHOSE PROPERTY LINE IS ON? WHAT HAPPENS IF IT'S ON HER? IF IT'S ON THE ONE WHO'S COMPLAINING HIS PROPERTY LINE, THEN WE WANT TO BE IN TROUBLE. 
          THAT WOULD BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY OWNER TO, TO PROVE THAT. 
          BUT AT THIS POINT, I BELIEVE THE ASSUMPTIONS. 
          IT'S A PARTY WALL. 
          WELL, SORRY, ASSUMPTIONS THOUGH. 
          OUT THE FACT WE NEED TO KNOW FACTS, BUT, UM, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I DON'T THINK WE CAN GUESS ON THAT THOUGH. 
          AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM. 
          I MEAN, I THINK YOU COULD TAKE YOUR LEAD. 
          THEY CAN GO TO THE PARK SO THEY COULD GO TO THE COUNTY ASSESSOR'S OFFICE AND GET A, A FREE MAP. 
          I MEAN, IT WOULD NEED A SURVEY TO DETERMINE WHERE THAT PROPERTY LINE IS. 
          SO BASED UPON WHAT THE CITY STAFF IS TELLING ME, I'LL MAKE A MOTION. 
          UM, CAN I, CAN I ASK THE HOMEOWNER A QUESTION AGAIN? I'M SORRY. 
          THE COMPLAINTS OF MADAM CHAIR CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT, I BELIEVE. 
          OR WERE YOU ABLE TO REOPEN IT? I THINK THIS IS ACTUALLY . 
          DO THEY EITHER WANT US TO CUT THE, CUT THE PART WHERE SHE'S ON OR I GUESS THAT'S THE QUESTION WE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS IF SHE WANTS THEM TO TAKE HER SIDE OFF. 
          YEAH. 
          IT WOULD LOOK WORSE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT NOW, IF YOU WOULDN'T LIKE IT, THEN I'M SORRY. 
          LET'S OPEN PUBLIC HEARING. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, CHAIR, YOU CAN'T OPEN PUBLIC HEARING IF YOU WANT TO SOLICIT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, BUT WE MUST PROVIDE THE, UM, APPLICANT OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND FOR WHATEVER NEW INFORMATION DID YOU WANT TO PURSUE THIS QUESTION? UH, REAL QUICKLY, IF POSSIBLE. 
          JUST I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA, IS IT OKAY?  OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO MY QUICK QUESTION IS W W W UH, JUST ONE QUESTION AND THAT IS, DO YOU WANT YOUR SIDE TO REMAIN UP OR NOT REMAIN UP? 
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OKAY. 
          SO, SO IF, IF, SO, IF YOUR SITE SECOND OFF, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A REMAINING AREA THAT HAS IT, BUT YOUR SITE WON'T HAVE IT AT ALL. 
          SO IT MAY NOT LOOK NICE. 
          UM, NO. 
          OKAY. 
          I THAT'S MY COMPLETION OF MY QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UH, DOES THE APPLICANT WANT TO RESPOND TO THAT? OKAY. 
          AND THEN, UH, IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS POINT. 
          OKAY. 
          WE WILL NOW CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ADMINISTRATIVE USE PERMIT NUMBER 22 DASH ZERO ONE. 
          WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THAT, THE CITY EITHER GETS THE NEIGHBORS APPROVAL ON THE PINK COLOR OR LEAVES IT AS IS IN THE PROCESS. 
          AND THAT'S MY MOTION. 
          I DON'T THINK WE COULD TAKE YOU TO GO ON HER PROPERTY WITHOUT HER APPROVAL. 
          ANY OTHER MOTIONS I'LL MAKE MOTION TO DENY ADMINISTRATIVE USE PERMIT NUMBER 22 DASH ZERO ONE. 
          AND I'LL EXPLAIN MY REASONING HERE. 
          MY, MY PRIMARY CONCERN WITH THIS IS THAT IF WE APPROVE THIS WITH THIS MIXED MATERIAL SITUATION, UM, AND IT, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY IT'S, IT'S AN AFTER THE FACT ATTEMPT AT APPROVING THIS, WE'RE EFFECTIVELY CREATING THE PRECEDENT FOR ALLOWING THIS AS SORT OF AN AD HOC THING. 
          MOVING FORWARD. 
          I I'M CONCERNED, UM, THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF ORDER POINT OF ORDER, MADAM CHAIR, WE'VE ALREADY HAD YOUR CHANCE TO COME UP AND ADDRESS MY, MY PRIMARY ISSUE IS THAT ULTIMATELY, IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A, UH, A WHOLESALE DETERMINATION ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS, REGARDLESS AS TO WHETHER OR NOT SOMEBODY HAS DONE THIS IN A PERMITTED, OR EXCUSE ME, IN AN UNPERMITTED CONTEXT, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD HEAR FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC WITH REGARD TO THAT. 
          UH, AND UNFORTUNATELY I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION FROM PLANNING TO MAKE A DETERMINATION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE ALLOWING WHOLESALE AS A MATTER OF. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THAT'S, UH, AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT IT IS. 
          I WISH WE HAD MORE INFORMATION. 
          IF WE HAD MORE INFORMATION WHERE I COULD VERY CLEARLY UNDERSTAND THAT THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE'S DOING EVERYONE, GOT IT PERMITTED. 
          AND YOU KNOW, WE'D BE CHERRY PICKING HERE. 
          I'M NOT IN, I'M NOT INTERESTED IN DOING THAT. 
          BUT I THINK HERE INSTEAD OF, INSTEAD OF BEING A PLANNING COMMISSION, WE'RE EFFECTIVELY TAKING THE POSITION IF WE APPROVE THIS. 
          SO WE'RE SORT OF THE ACQUIESCENCE COMMISSION AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO BE FINE, BUT THAT'S THE REASON WHY I MOTION TO DENY BASED UPON THE LACK OF INFORMATION THAT I HAVE. 
          I, I LIKE TO MAKE A NEW MOTION AND MY NEW MOTION WILL BE THAT WE TECHNICALLY ELIMINATE SINCE THERE'S AN ON THE TERMINATION OF WORD, A WALL LIES ON IF IT'S THAT NEIGHBORS PART OR NOT HER NEIGHBORS PART, WE HAVE NOT BEEN GIVEN THAT EVIDENCE. 
          AND SO OUT OF PRECAUTION, I WILL, I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO ELIMINATE THAT AREA, THE MIDDLE BARRIER BETWEEN THESE TWO HOUSES, IF IT'S A SHARE PAR. 
          SO, UH, AND ALLOW THE OTHER, THE OTHER HOMEOWNER TO CONTINUE ON THE PROCESS AND GETTING THE PERMIT THAT SHE IS SEEKING. 
          I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, SO THERE'S, SO RIGHT NOW WE DON'T KNOW WHO OWNS THAT BRICK WALL. 
          WE DON'T KNOW IF IT'S SHARED ON THE PARCEL LINE AND LEGALLY IN A CITY ATTORNEY SHOULD AGREE ON THIS. 
          LEGALLY. 
          WE DON'T KNOW THAT, SO WE SHOULDN'T BE VOTING ON IT, BUT ON A DIFFERENT SITUATION. 
          BUT SO WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT PROPERTY LINE IS, WHERE IT I WANT, WHO OWNS THE WALL IS A SHARED, DO THEY MAKE AN AGREEMENT TO SHARE THAT LINE? UH, I HAVE, I MEAN, BASED UPON MY EXPERIENCE IN, IN WALKING IN, IN OUR CITY, I KNOW THAT MANY HOMES DO HAVE THAT, UH, IN, IN DISTRICTS ONE, TWO, AND THREE AND FOUR, NOT 
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SO MUCH IN DISTRICT FIVE, BUT IN OTHER DISTRICTS, THEY DO HAVE, UH, DESIGNS LIKE THAT. 
          BUT SINCE WE DON'T KNOW RARED OUT WALLS, WHICH PARCEL WHO OWNS WHAT THEN THE BEST OPTION HERE IS TO ELIMINATE THEIR, THEIR SHARE AREA AND ALLOW HER TO CONTINUE ON THE PROCESS FOR THE, IS SHE SHE'S DOING IT FOR THE WHOLE. 
          SO SHE'S, SHE'S DOING IT FOR EVERY W EVERY WASH SHE HAS, RIGHT. 
          I'M TALKING TO CITY STAFF. 
          NO, IT'S, IT'S APPROXIMATELY 42, I BELIEVE 42 FEET LONG IT'S ALONG THE FRONT. 
          AND A PORTION OF THE SIDE TO WHERE HER PATIO, APPROXIMATELY UP TO WHERE THE PATIO IS FOR, FOR THE PROPERTY. 
          SO IT'S JUST ON THE TWO SIDES OF THE HOUSE. 
          CAUSE SHE SAYS HER AND OTHER NEIGHBORS FIND WITH THIS ONE, CAN YOU SHOW THE, UH, NO, THE PRESENTATION IT'S ALONG THE IT'S ALONG THE FRONT AND IT GOES TO THE SIDE. 
          SO IT'S JUST, THAT'S THE ONLY ARROW STRAIGHT LINE. 
          UM, IT'S IT'S L-SHAPED IT GOES ALONG THE FRONT FRONT ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK. 
          NOT ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK AND ON THE OTHER SIDE OR NO, NO, THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT ONE SIDE. 
          YES. 
          SO HOW DOES IT AFFECT THE OTHER NEIGHBOR? SHE SAID THE OTHER NEIGHBOR WAS HAPPY WITH IT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO AS, UM, AS PARTIALLY VISIBLE FROM, FROM THE MIDDLE VIEW RIGHT HERE, IT, I BELIEVE IT STOPS RIGHT ALONG THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          I GOT IT. 
          SO IT'S NOW, SO PRO BACK THE PICTURE, BACK UP THE MAP. 
          SO IT'S KIND OF HARD TO TELL, BUT IT'S A STRAIGHT LINE AND THEN THE WALL. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT A NOW. 
          SO IT'S THE FRONT WALL, THAT'S YOUR BASE FOR THE OWL AND THEN YOU GO TO A LONG LINEUP. 
          SO THEREFORE THAT'S THE WHOLE THING. 
          SO, UH, THEN I'M IN MY EMOTION AGAIN TO SAY THAT, UH, IN ORDER TO CONTINUE IN THE PROCESS THAT WE DID THAT THE HOMEOWNER OR THE NEIGHBOR PRESENTS TO THIS COMMISSION OR TO CITY STAFF EVIDENCE OF WHO OWNS THE WALL, WHOSE PARCEL IS THE PROPERTY ON ACTUALLY, UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY. 
          LET'S SAY THAT IF WE WERE APPROVED THE WALL AS IS, AND IF THE HOME OWNER WHO DOES NOT, LIKE IT CAN PROVE THAT SHE OWNS THE ENTIRE WALL, THEN SHE TECHNICALLY CAN WE MOVE WHAT WE APPROVE? BECAUSE IF THAT'S HER WALL AND SHE DOESN'T LIKE IT GO MORE THAN SEVEN FEET, IS THAT CORRECT? YES. 
          BUT I HAVE TO ASK, HAS, HAS THE NEIGHBOR ACTUALLY CLAIMED THAT IT'S HER WALL OR IT'S ON HER PROPERTY? I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN A DISPUTE OVER IT BEING A PARTY WALL, BUT WE'RE A PERI SOMETHING WHERE YOU DON'T KNOW WHO OWNS THE WALL. 
          WE CAN STILL APPROVE IT. 
          AND IF SHE IN THE FUTURE, ABSOLUTELY HATE THIS THING AND CAN PROVE THAT THAT IS ENTIRELY HER WALL. 
          THEN IF SHE CAN PROVE THAT, THEN SHE DOES HAVE AN OPTION TO REMOVE ALL OF IT. 
          NOW WITHOUT THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS PERMISSION AT ALL, EVEN THOUGH WE APPROVE IT FOR SEVEN FEET, SHE CAN REMOVE IT AND KEEP IT IT'S HOPE WALL BASICALLY. 
          UM, YES, IF IT'S ON HER PROPERTY, SHE CAN REPROVE IT. 
          COMMISSIONER HANG, UH, AND COMMISSIONER GUTIERREZ. 
          I, I DO BELIEVE I HEARD DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING, SHE TESTIFIED THAT IT WAS A PARTY WALL. 
          UH, SO, SO THE, I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE SHE OFFICIALLY KNEW THAT IT WAS LEGALLY THAT SHE NEEDED IT TO BE EXPENSIVE SHARED. 
          YEAH. 
          OH YES. 
          THE APPLICANT DID SAY THAT BACK THEN BEFORE THE CURRENT NEIGHBOR HOMEOWNER, THEY MAY IN AGREEMENT TO BUILD A WALL, TO GET HER, TO MAKE HIM RE FIX IT AND BUILD IT. 
          THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE, THE COMPLAINTANT INSANE NOW. 
          UH, BUT WE DON'T, WE DON'T KNOW THAT HE ALSO SAID IN THE, IN, IN THE MIDDLE OF IT, SHE DID NOT APPROVE OF THE LOOK, CORRECT? YEAH. 
          SO, SO WHAT ARE WE SO LEGALLY, HOW CAN WE VOTE ON SOMETHING IF WE DON'T KNOW WHO OWNS THE WALL? BECAUSE IF THE COMPLAINTS AND OWNS THE WALL AND SHE HAS EVERY RIGHT TO DEMAND THAT, THAT ERECTION BE TAKEN DOWN, IF IT'S A SHARE PARCEL 
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THAT WE RUN INTO A SITUATION THAT I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK INTO, UH, TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT, WE'RE NOT A JUDGE TO DETERMINE, OH, OKAY, YOU HAVE A SHARE AGREEMENT, THEN WE'RE GOING TO HONOR YOU, BUT ON YOU, SORRY, WHERE IT'S AN UNDECIDED DISPUTE THAT I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S TRUE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I BELIEVE THAT IF, IF, UNLESS THE APPLICANT OR THE COMPLAINTS AND IMPROVE WHO OWNS THE WALL, THAT WE BRING THIS BACK TO THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING FOR DISCUSSION. 
          SO COMMISSIONER, THERE, THERE IS AN ASSUMPTION UNDER THE LAW THAT, THAT A WALL BETWEEN TWO PROPERTIES IS A COMMON WALL. 
          SO, SO THE CITY IS SAY FOR LYING ON THE LEGAL ASSUMPTION, UNLESS THE, AND THE BURDEN BECOMES ON THE, UH, THE PARTY OBJECTING, UNLESS THEY COME WITH A CLAIM OR EVIDENCE THAT IT IS NOT A PARTY WALL. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT ABOUT BACTERIA ZUMBA? SO IN THAT CASE, AGAIN, MY MOTION WOULD BE TO, UH, I GUESS, APPROVE, APPROVE A ADMINISTRATIVE USE PERMIT NUMBER 22 DASH ZERO ONE, AND ALLOW CITY STAFF TO WORK WITH THE COMPLAINTS IN THAT IF SHE WANTS A DIFFERENT COLOR, THAT THEY, THEY DETERMINE A COLOR TO, SHE PREFERS ON HER END, UH, BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S HER PROPERTY AT THAT POINT. 
          SO WE CAN'T JUST SEND A CONTRACTOR ON SOMEONE ELSE'S PROPERTY TO PAINT WITHOUT PERMISSION. 
          SO WE'RE GOING TO RUN INTO ANOTHER ISSUE THEN. 
          SO IF I UNDERSTAND THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE THE AUP AS WRITTEN, BUT WITH THE ADDITION THAT THE COLOR WILL BE CHOSEN BY THE NEIGHBOR, CORRECT. 
          I THINK THAT WE SHOULD TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT SHE WANTS. 
          IF SHE WANTS THE OTHER HALF REMOVED, THEN LET HER HAPPY REMOVED, AND THEN ALLOW THAT ALLOW THE APPLICANT'S SIDE TO STENT. 
          UH, OKAY. 
          WHAT, SO THAT WOULD BE A SEPARATE MOTION FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND THE IS MOTIONING. 
          SO THAT TYPICALLY TAKES OFF THE WHOLE WALL, THEN HER SIDE OF THE WALL. 
          SO IT'S LIKE THE WHOLE THING THOUGH. 
          YOU JUST HAVE THAT LITTLE SMALL AREA OR DO WHAT SHE WANTS. 
          THAT'S THE PROBLEM I WAS THINKING, I WAS THINKING BEFORE, AND I WAS THE WHOLE OWL. 
          SO IT'S, IT DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE OR ELIMINATE ONE PART OF THE WALL, BUT LET ME SEE THE FRONT OF THAT PICTURE, UH, COMMISSIONING IS PULLING UP AN AREA, ALL OF IT. 
          SO WE CAN KIND OF GET A BETTER IDEA. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'LL TAKE PICTURES. 
          SHE HAS THIS SMALL AREA AND EQUALS LIKE IT'S AROUND. 
          SO THIS IS THE APPLICANTS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SHE HAS IT JUST RIGHT HERE ALL THE WAY BACK. 
          THAT'S IT? SO COMMISSIONER, THIS IS THE FRONT WALL. 
          THAT'S WHEN THE L AND THEN IT GOES ALL THE WAY I THINK, AROUND TO HERE. 
          SO IF WE WERE TO REMOVE IT ON THE, UH, FENCE ADJACENT TO THE NEIGHBOR, THEN ALL YOU WOULD HAVE WOULD BE THE FENCE FACING THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. 
          SO IT'S NOT EVEN A VERY LARGE PORTION NOW. 
          AND I DON'T THINK IT LOOKS, I THINK IT LOOKS BETTER NOW WITH IT THAN WITHOUT IT. 
          IT'S JUST MY OPINION. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, SO THAT'S SORRY. 
          IT WOULD JUST BE THIS AREA. 
          AND THEN THE AREA ALONG THE SIDE WOULD REMAIN. 
          IF YOU DID NOT GIVE APPROVAL FOR THAT PORTION, IT WOULD JUST BE HERE. 
          I THINK SINCE THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS CLARIFIED THE LAW AND THAT BECAUSE, UH, COMPLAINTS THAT HASN'T SHOWN ANY EVIDENCE TO SHOW THAT SHE OWNS THE LAW, THEN THEREFORE I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE A MINISTRY OF USE PERMIT NUMBER 22 DASH ZERO ONE WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE CITY WORKS WITH THE COMPLAINTANT TO DETERMINE THE COLOR ON HER SIDE OF THE FENCE. 
          UM, SO COMMISSIONER, MY ONLY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT AS IT LEAVES IT A LITTLE OPEN-ENDED, UH, AS TO PICKING A COLOR OR A DEADLINE FOR THAT, OR, OKAY. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          SO I'LL CLARIFY, LET ME CLARIFY, LET ME SAY IT AGAIN. 
          I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ADMINISTRATIVE USE PERMIT NUMBER OF 22,000 ZERO ONE, EITHER WITH THE, WITH THE CONDITION THAT EITHER THE HOMEOWNER, IF THE COMPLAINT TINT EATER ALLOWS THE CURRENT COLOR TO STAY, OR, OR IT'S HER, OR AT HER DISCRETION, SHE WILL ALLOW, UM, SHE WILL, UH, ACCEPT CITY'S RECOMMENDATION TO MATCH THE COLOR OF EITHER THE BROWN COLOR TO MATCH THE, THE, THE, THE 
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BRICK WALL. 
          SO CURRENTLY STAFF IS RECOMMENDING BROWN. 
          SO, SO SHE HAS THE OPTION TO EITHER LEAVE A BLOCK OR PAINTING BROW. 
          SO IT'S MORE NARROW, IT'S NOT BROADEN. 
          OKAY. 
          SO COMMISSIONER, I WOULD POINT TO THE EXISTING CONDITION, WHICH IS, UM, IN THE RESOLUTION SECTION FIVE D. 
          SO WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS TO APPROVE THE AUP AND SPECIFICALLY THIS RESOLUTION AS WRITTEN, BUT MODIFYING CONDITION FIVE D SO THAT, UM, ONE OF THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL IS THE WOOD WALL TOPPER SHALL BE PAINTED TO MATCH THE COLOR OF THE EXISTING BLOCK WALL PRIOR TO BUILDING PERMIT FINAL, OR ALTERNATIVELY LEAVE THE COLOR AVENUES. 
          I, FOR WHAT I SEE PART OF THAT FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, IF YOU WERE TO PAINT THE SIDE, I MEAN, IF THEY HAD ONLY THEIR GATE OR THAT PART RIGHT THERE WHERE IT HAS IT, AND THEN DIFFERENT COLOR, IT'S NOT GOING TO MATCH, IT'S NOT GOING TO LOOK GOOD. 
          SO I, I THINK WE JUST, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT CUTS OFF FROM THE PORTION WHERE THE HOUSES START IN THE BACK, WHERE SHE CAN SEE IT. 
          I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, AN HOUR, A MINUTE, MY EMOTION TO INTEGRATE THE CHAIRS, UH, RECOMMENDATION. 
          YEAH. 
          SO TO BE CLEAR, I'M JUST TRYING TO WORK ON THE LANGUAGE OF THE MOTION. 
          IT IT'S YET TO BE SEEN IF THAT MOTION IS GOING TO BE APPROVED. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION. 
          SO I'LL, I'LL REPEAT IT. 
          SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE A MINISTRY OF USE PERMIT NUMBER 22 DASH ZERO ONE, WHERE THE CONDITION THAT FIVE D BE MODIFIED TO, TO INDICATE THAT ON AND THE CHECKER, HOW MANY CAN YOU REPEAT YOUR PARK? THE PORTION THAT IS VISIBLE FROM THE STREET BEYOND THE PORTION WHERE, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE SHE HAS A GATE RIGHT THERE AS WELL. 
          SO WHERE IT GOES TO THE BACKYARD OF THE NEIGHBOR, THAT THAT PORTION CAN BE PAINTED, BUT NOT THAT YOU CAN SEE FROM THE PORTION, THE PORTION RUNNING BETWEEN THE PROPERTY, CORRECT? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE YOU'RE ASKING THAT THE CONDITION WOULD BE THAT THE PORTION RUNNING BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES OF THE APPLICANT AND MS. LUCE, UM, WELL, NOT THE WHOLE PORTION, JUST THE PART THAT'S NOT VISIBLE TO THE STREET CAN BE PAINTED BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A HALF A COLOR HERE, HALF A COLOR THERE. 
          IT'S ONLY THE PORTION THAT CANNOT BE SEEN FROM THE STREET IS THAT PORTION FACING THE NEIGHBOR. 
          IF YOU WANT IT, YOU WANT TO PUT THE BACK UP, DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? YEAH. 
          BUT I THINK THERE'S IT'S CAUSE THESE HOUSES DON'T REALLY HAVE HIDDEN, HIDDEN VIEWS. 
          SO THAT'S TECHNICALLY, SHE EITHER GETS PAINTS HER SIDE AND, AND LEAVE THE FRONT SIDE RIGHT THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S EVEN ON THE SIDE OF HER HOUSE. 
          SO I DON'T SEE THAT SHE HAS IT. 
          SO I WON'T JUST, I MOTION TO APPROVE AS IS SO I'LL. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, LET'S SEE. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. 
          SO WE HAVE EMOTION INVITE CHAIR FOR SARAH AND A SECOND BY COMMISSION GUITARS TO APPROVE A PLANNING COMMISSION RESOLUTION NUMBER 22 DASH 6 1 0 2. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS. NO, UH, COMMISSIONER GUTIERREZ, UM, COMMISSIONER HAYING. 
          WELL, BEFORE I VOTE, CAN I ASK EVEN A V APPROVED AS IS THE HOME OWNER WHO OPPOSES CAN ALWAYS PAINT WHATEVER COLOR SHE WENT ON HER SIDE, IS THAT CORRECT? YES. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          VICE CHAIR LEWIS. 
          I HAVE A COMMENT. 
          AND THIS TH THIS IS MY BIG CONCERN ABOUT THIS PRECEDENT THAT IT APPEARS WE'LL BE PASSING HERE. 
          IS THAT EFFECTIVELY FIRST IN TIME, FIRST IN, RIGHT. 
          AND GUESS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. 
          LUGGED GATES ARE GOING TO OPEN AND SOMEONE IS GOING TO BE LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT? I DON'T LIKE THAT TOPPER. 
          I'M GOING TO KNOCK IT DOWN. 
          I'M GOING TO PUT UP WHATEVER I WANT. 
          AND THEN COME IN HERE AND EX POST FACTO GET APPROVED AND THAT'S, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. 
          AND I VOTE, NO. 
          NOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT IF WE JUST VOTE FOR IT, AS SHE CAN STILL PAINT IT IN, WHICH WILL NOT BE, SHE COULD EVEN COME IN FOR HER OWN WALLET TOPPER ON HER SIDE OF THE FENCE. 
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JUST WONDER WHY WE'RE DECIDING, I FEEL LIKE PARENTS RIGHT NOW WITH TWO FIGHTING CHILDREN, BUT YOU KNOW, THIS SEEMS LIKE THIS SHOULD BE CODE ENFORCEMENT, NOT PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          I MEAN, WE CAN APPROVE THE FENCE, THE HEIGHT, BUT THERE'S NOTHING ELSE SHOULD BE OUR DECISION. 
          UM, SO SORRY. 
          UH, CHAIRMAN SARAH, YOUR FOLK, DO WE HAVE TO HAVE THE PAINT INCLUDED IN OUR VOTE? CAN'T WE JUST APPROVE THE HEIGHT AND LEAVE THAT TO, YOU KNOW, SO LET'S JUST APPROVE THE HEIGHT. 
          THE REST, I THINK, IS, IS NOT SOMETHING FOR US TO BE. 
          THEN WE ALREADY HAVE A ROLL CALL. 
          SO WHAT DO WE DO NOW? THERE'S A MOTION ON THE TABLE. 
          SO WE, AND THE VOTE'S ALREADY IN PROCESS. 
          SO WE NEED TO COMPLETE THAT PHONE, UH, LESS, LESS THAN I AM IN MY VOTE. 
          YES. 
          OH, YOU GOT TO, I MEAN YOUR VOTE. 
          SO THE FIRST YEAR VINEYARD I'M IN YOUR MOTION. 
          SO JUST A PROVEN MINISTER, PREVIOUS PERMIT FOR THE HEIGHT OF THE SEVEN FEET FOR THE TOPPER. 
          SO YOU'RE ASKING FOR REMOVAL OF CONDITION FIVE D, WHICH IS THE ONE SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSING THE PAINT COLOR AT THIS POINT. 
          IF SHE'S GOING TO GO AHEAD AND PAINT IT, IF WE'RE SAYING THAT IN THE PERMIT THAT SHE COULD PAINT THAT WALL ANYWAYS, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IF I WAS HER, I WOULDN'T WANT TO DO IT BECAUSE YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO SHOW JUST AS BAD FROM HER SIDE. 
          AS FROM THE OTHER SIDE, IT ACTUALLY LOOKS BETTER IF IT'S BEEN LIKE, SHE WANTS TO GO A LITTLE FURTHER BACK, LIKE THE NEXT PART THAT GOES UP, SHE WANTS TO PAINT THAT PART. 
          BUT REALLY SHE SAYS THAT SHE CAN SEE IN THE MORNING OR YARD THAT'S ON THE SIDE. 
          I MEAN, WHO SPENDS TIME IN THE SIDE OF THE YARD, DRINKING COFFEE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE IT. 
          AND I'M JUST BEING BLUNT. 
          IT'S AN AREA WHERE SH I'M SURE SHE DOESN'T SPEND A LOT OF TIME IN THAT LITTLE AREA THERE. 
          SO I WILL SECOND THAT TO ELIMINATE, UH, SECTION FIVE, THE, TO ALLOW THE HOME, THE COMPLAINT TO PAINT HER SITE, HER, I HEARD DISCRETION. 
          SO ELIMINATE THE STYLE. 
          YES. 
          TEMPORARY EMOTION. 
          DO WE, DID WE HAVE A, JUST TO CONFIRM CHAIR BISSERA AT, THAT WAS CHIPPER SARAH'S FIRST WAS THRIVED. 
          SO THAT ELIMINATION OF FIVE D WAS WHAT YOU WERE AMENDING, CORRECT? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN, AND YOU CONFIRMED, SO THE MOTION ON THE TABLE NOW IS APPROVAL OF THE AOP AS WRITTEN WITH THE REMOVAL OF CONDITION FIVE D, WHICH IS THE CONDITION REQUIRING A SPECIFIC PAINT COLOR. 
          AND I'LL SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THEN, UM, WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND FOR APPROVAL OF PLANNING, COMMISSION RESOLUTION NUMBER 22 DASH 6 1 0 TO COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS. NO COMMISSIONER GUTIERREZ, UH, COMMISSIONER HANG I, UH, COMMITTEE, UH, VICE CHAIR LEWIS CHAIRMAN VISCERA, AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES THREE TO THIS ACTION IS FINAL UNLESS APPEALED TO THE CITY COUNCIL WITHIN 10 DAYS. 
          OKAY. 
          [4. GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT NO. 21-01]
NEXT PROJECT. 
          NEXT PROJECT ALSO INVOLVED A REQUEST FOR GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT TO CHANGE ITS GENERAL PLAN LAND USE DESIGNATION FROM NEIGHBORHOOD LOW TO NEIGHBORHOOD MEDIUM, AND A ZONE CHANGES TO A CHANGE. 
          THE ZONING FROM SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL, OUR DASH ONE, TWO SPECIFIC PLAN S DASH P WHO WILL REPRESENT THE STAFF REPORT, UH, PLANNING COMMISSIONER, JOANNE BURNSVILLE, PRESENT THE STAFF REPORT. 
          MADAM CHAIR, GOOD EVENING ON A ROLL CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND ALSO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. 
          THE PROJECT SIDE IS A TWO, TWO POINT 26 ACRE VACANT LOT LOCATED IN THE SOUTH WEST CORNER OF  AVENUE. 
          IN VAN HORN AVENUE. 
          THE SITE WAS PREVIOUSLY OCCUPIED BY A SCHOOL USE THAT WAS DEMOLISHED IN 2018. 
          THE SITE IS CURRENTLY ZONED R ONE WITH A GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATION OF NEIGHBORHOOD LOW. 
          UH, A PROJECT ON THE SITE WAS 
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PREVIOUSLY APPROVED FOR AN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY. 
          HOWEVER, DO, UM, THE PROJECT WAS APPROVED INTO, UM, 2020, I BELIEVE BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          HOWEVER, DUE TO THE PANDEMIC, THERE HAS BEEN A DECREASE IN DEMAND FOR ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES. 
          SO THE APPLICANT HAS AT THE TIME HAS DECIDED NOT TO GO THROUGH OR CONTINUE WITH THE PROJECT AND IS PROPOSING A NEW PROJECT FOR THIS SITE. 
          THE REQUEST, IT INVOLVES A PRECISE PLAN FOR THE SITE DEVELOPMENT, A TENTATIVE TRACK MAP FOR THE CONDOMINIUM SUBDIVISION, THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT IN A ZONE CHANGE FOR, UM, FIRST FOUR FROM R ONE TO A SPECIFIC PLAN THAT TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPLICATION WAS P W IS AN AMENDMENT TO WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED, WHICH INCLUDED, WHICH ALSO INCLUDED A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT, UM, TO REMOVE 30 SIGNIFICANT TREES ON THE SITE. 
          THE PROJECT REQUIRES A MITIGATED NEGATIVE DECLARATION OF ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT. 
          HERE IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN. 
          THE PROJECT INVOLVES THE PROPOSAL OF A 39 RESIDENTIAL TWO-STORY RESIDENTIAL UNITS, V R. 
          THEY ARE A TOWNHOME STYLE UNITS WITH A TWO CAR GARAGE IN EACH UNIT. 
          THE PROJECT SITE IS ACCESSIBLE THROUGH A DRIVEWAY ON  AVENUE, AND THE DRIVEWAY LEADS TO PRIVATE PRIVATE DRIVES THROUGHOUT THE SITE, UH, THAT PROVIDES ACCESS TO THE TOWNHOME UNITS AND ALSO THE PRIVATE OPEN SPACE AREAS. 
          THERE ARE EIGHT GUESTS PARKING SPACES, WHICH ARE LOCATED ALONG THE BELIEF THREE, ALONG THIS AREA IN FIVE, ALONG THIS AREA, RIGHT? ALL RIGHT, ALONG HERE, EACH DRIVE AISLE IS 26 FEET WIDE. 
          THE PROPOSED SETBACK ALONG  AVENUE IS 15 FEET. 
          AND ALSO ALONG VAN HORN, AS FAR AS THE STAIN TIER SIDE SETBACK ALONG THE WASH, THE CLOSEST BUILDING IS THREE 13 AND A HALF FEET AWAY FROM, FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. 
          THERE ARE TWO AREAS THAT ARE DESIGNATED FOR COMMON OPEN SPACE, THIS AREA ALONG HERE, AND ALSO THIS AREA ALONG HERE, UM, AND THE TOTAL COMMON OPEN SPACE AREA IS 9,471 SQUARE FEET. 
          THERE WOULD BE A SIX FOOT TALL, SIX FOOT TALL TUBULAR METAL FENCE SEPARATING THE PROPERTY FROM THE WASH. 
          AND THERE WOULD BE A, UH, UM, FENCING ALONG VAN HORN AND ALSO MORISSETTE AVENUE, UM, TO ACCOMMODATE THE PRIVATE, THE PRIVATE OPEN SPACES IN FRONT OF EACH UNIT. 
          EACH UNIT ALONG VAN HORN AND MERCE SAID FACE THE STREET. 
          HERE IS A CHART THAT COMPARES THE PROPOSAL WITH THE WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED WITH THE SPECIFIC, THE STANDARDS OF THIS PROPOSED SPECIFIC PLAN. 
          THE, THE PROPOSAL COMPLIES WITH THE SPECIFIC PLAN IN ITSELF AND THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING IS BELOW THIS, THE 30 FEET MAXIMUM HEIGHT SPECIFIC PLANS TO STANDARD AND THE COMMON OPEN SPACE AND PRIVATE OPEN SPARE SPAIN AREAS EXCEED THE PROPOSAL. 
          EXCEEDS WHAT IS WRITTEN IN THIS SPECIFIC PLAN. 
          HERE ARE, UM, PHOTOGRAPHS AND A LIST OF PROPOSED PLANTINGS THROUGHOUT THE SITE. 
          UM, THE PROPOSAL INCLUDES 33 CANOPY SHADE TREES. 
          UM, I BELIEVE THAT PROPOSED CANOPY SHADE TREES ARE, UH, CAN PORTRAY 
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A KEMPER TREE IN LA LONDON, PLANE TREE FOUR PUMPS, 15 SMALL TREES IN 30 TALL VERTICAL TREES IN, SINCE THE PROJECT INVOLVES A THREE REMOVAL PERMIT. 
          STAFF HAS INCLUDED RE UH, REPLACE, UH, RE REQUIRED REPLACEMENT TREES. 
          UM, IN ADDITION TO WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED OR WITH WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED AS, UM, SO BE PLANTED ON SITE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT AT LEAST 19 OF THE TREES THAT ARE GOING TO BE PLANTED, BE AT LEAST 36 INCH A BOX SIZED TREES. 
          HERE ARE PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE SITE FROM MORISSETTE AVENUE. 
          THE TOP TWO PHOTOGRAPHS SHOW THE SITE FROM ROSETTE. 
          THIS VIEW, UM, RIGHT ALONG HERE, LOOKS INTO THE INTERIOR OF THE SITE FROM THE DRIVEWAY, UM, NEAR THE WASH. 
          THE BOTTOM PHOTOGRAPH IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE SITE SHOWING THE WALL, UH, SEPARATING THE STREET FROM THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AREA. 
          HERE ARE THOSE VIEWS FROM OF THE SITES FROM VAN HORN AVENUE. 
          THIS IS THE SITE ALONG HERE AND ACROSS THE STREET. 
          THE BOTTOM PICTURE IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE, THE PROJECT SITE. 
          SO THE, THE APPLICANT HAS ASSIGNED THE SOC THE PROJECTS SO THAT THE ENTRANCES TO THE, TO THE UNITS ALONG VAN HORN AND ALL SOMERSET FACE THE STREET SO THAT, UM, IT'S INTEGRATED WITHIN THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO HERE IS, UH, RENDERING OF THE PROJECT I SEEN AS WOULD BE VISIBLE FROM HER SAID IN VAN HORN, THIS THE PROPOSED ARCHITECTURAL STYLE IS SPANISH. 
          THE BUILDING MATERIALS INCLUDE STUCCO THAT, UM, UTILIZES EARTH TONE COLORS, UM, AS TYLER S ROOF TILES AND WINDOWS SHUTTERS, THE, THERE IS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT REQUIRES THE F THE FENCE ALONG THE WALL ALONG WERE SAID TO BE REDESIGNED, SO THAT IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE PRO THE FENCE BEING PROPOSED ALONG VAN HORN. 
          SO THE SITE LOOKS MORE OPEN AND MORE WELCOMING THE, THE SITE OR THE, THE BLOCK WALL AND FENCE COMBINATION ALONG VAN HORN INCLUDES A TWO FOOT TALL WALL WITH A THREE FOOT TALL, UH, TWO BILLER METAL FENCE ON TOP HERE IS THE COLOR AND MATERIAL BOARD. 
          THE, AS MENTIONED EARLIER, THE, THE PROPOSED COLORS ARE EARTH TONE COLORS. 
          UM, THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT COLOR SCHEMES. 
          THE SHUT THE DOORS AND SHUTTERS WILL BE WE'LL UTILIZE THE, THE, EITHER THE BLUE OR THE BURGUNDY COLOR HERE ARE PROPOSED ELEVATIONS FOR THE 400 BUILDING TYPE, WHICH IS THE FOUR UNIT BUILDING IN ORDER TO, UM, BE MORE EFFICIENT. 
          I WILL ONLY SHOW THIS, UM, L ELEVATIONS FOR THIS BUILDING TYPE, THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT. 
          AGAIN, I SAID 28 FEET EACH, THERE ARE THREE DIFFERENT FLOOR PLANS THAT ARE, WILL, THAT WILL BE UTILIZED. 
          UM, THE, EACH UNIT RANGE FROM EITHER WHAT, 1,325 SQUARE FEET TO 1,475 SQUARE FEET HERE IS THE PROPOSED FLOOR PLAN. 
          SO THE, FOR 
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THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING TYPE ALL THREE DIFFERENT, UM, THREE DIFFERENT PLAN TYPES ARE BEING UTILIZED. 
          SO PLANS IS THE ONE, TWO IN THREE ON EACH SIDE VIA DIFFERENCE ON THE FIRST FLOOR BETWEEN THE PLANS IS BASICALLY PLAN THREE HAS A LARGER STORAGE SPACE IN THE GARAGE. 
          HERE IS THE FLOOR, THE SECOND FLOOR FLOOR PLAN. 
          THE DIFFERENCE IN THE FLOOR PLAN CONFIGURATION IN THE BUILDING TYPES IS THAT PLAN THREE HAS A FOURTH BEDROOM OR, OR, UM, LOFT THAT CAN BE CONVERTED INTO TWO ARE UTILIZED AS A BEDROOM, THE OTHER, THE OTHER, UM, YOU PLAN ONES AND TO HAVE TWO BEDROOMS, I'M SORRY, THREE BEDROOMS WITH THE PROJECT. 
          UM, THERE ARE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE REQUIRED BY CODE AND ALSO REQUIRED PER CONDITION OF APPROVAL. 
          IN ONE OF THESE REQUIRES OUR ARTS IN PUBLIC PLACES, DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEES, PARK FEES IN STAFF IS REQUIRING THAT THE APPLICANTS PARTICIPATE IN A HOME OWNER SHIP ASSISTANCE PROGRAM. 
          THE MINIMUM FOR THIS PROGRAM IS 50,000 SQUARE FEET FOR AT LEAST FOUR HOMES AND THE QUALIFIER, THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD QUALIFY FOR, FOR THE HOMEOWNERSHIP ASSISTANCE ASSISTANCE PROGRAM ARE FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS WITH PREFERENCE PREFERENCE PROVIDED TO EXISTING WITH CITY OF WEST COVINA RESIDENTS, AND ALSO, UM, LOW IT MODERATE TO LOW INCOME FAMILIES. 
          AS FAR AS NEIGHBORHOOD OUTREACH IS CONCERNED. 
          A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING WAS CONDUCTED ON FEBRUARY 9TH, 2020 AT CAMERON PARK. 
          THE APPLICANTS DID SEND OUT NOTICES TO ALL NEIGHBORS WITHIN 300 FEET FROM THE PROJECT SITE, UM, REGARDING THE MEETING AHEAD OF TIME. 
          AND ACCORDING TO THE APPLICANT, THE DEVELOPER HAS BEEN, UM, CONTINUING COMMUNICATION WITH, WITH THE NEIGHBORS ALONG FEN HORN, UM, REGARDING THEIR PROJECT, AS FAR AS LEGAL NOTICES ARE CONCERNED, THE CQL PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, UM, WAS BETWEEN FEBRUARY 22ND AND MARCH 14TH. 
          THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING WITH, TO ALICE ON APRIL 1ST, BUT AS MENTIONED EARLIER, THE PROJECT REQUIRES A MITIGATED NEGATIVE DECLARATION OF ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT AND IT WAS CIRCULATED, UM, IN COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED, OH, ACTUALLY ONE CO UH, ONE COMMENT LETTER WAS RECEIVED FROM THE LOS ANGELES COUNTY SANITATION DISTRICT. 
          IN AS PART OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION PACKET RE UM, RESPONSIVE COMMENTS WERE PREPARED FOR THE COMMENTS THAT WERE RECEIVED, THE ENVIRONMENTAL OR THE ISM, AND D WAS PREPARED BY TERRY HAYES AND ASSOCIATES AS THE CITY'S CONSULTANT. 
          UH, THERESA LEE IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY SEQUEL RELATED QUESTIONS AND SHE WILL GO AHEAD AND GO OVER THE ISM AND D UM, SO AT THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT ALSO KNOWN AS EQUA REQUIRES ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW TO BE CONDUCTED. 
          IF PROJECTS INVOLVE DISCRETIONARY ACTIONS TO SATISFY THE REQUIREMENTS OF SEQUEL AND INITIAL STUDY WAS PREPARED FOR THE PROJECT. 
          AND BASED ON THE ANALYSIS OF THE, OF THE INITIAL STUDY, IT WAS DETERMINED THAT A MITIGATED NEGATIVE DECLARATION IS THE APPROPRIATE DOCUMENT FOR THE PROJECT. 
          A MITIGATED NEGATIVE DECLARATION REQUIRES THAT ANY POTENTIAL SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE EFFECTS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE INITIAL STUDY BE MITIGATED TO LESS THAN SIGNIFICANT LEVELS. 
          AND UNDER SEQUENCE, THE CITY IS DELETE AGENCY FOR THE PROPOSED PROJECT AS THE CITY, AS THE PUBLIC AGENCY THAT IS RESPONSIBLE 
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FOR SUPERVISING AND IMPROVING THE PROJECT. 
          THE STUDY EVALUATED 20 ENVIRONMENTAL TOPIC AREAS. 
          THESE TOPIC AREAS ARE LISTED IN THE STATES SEQUEL INITIAL STUDY CHECKLIST OF THE 20 ENVIRONMENTAL TOPIC AREAS. 
          15 TOPIC AREAS WERE DETERMINED TO HAVE NO OR LESS THAN SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS. 
          AND FIVE OF THE TOPIC AREAS WERE DETERMINED TO HAVE, UM, POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS THAT COULD BE REDUCED TO LESS THAN SIGNIFICANT LEVELS WITH IMPLEMENTATION OF MITIGATION MEASURES. 
          UM, THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS GENERALLY OCCUR DURING CONSTRUCTION, UM, WITH REGARDS TO BIOLOGICAL RESOURCES, THE PROPOSED TREE REMOVAL AND RELOCATION COULD POTENTIALLY AFFECT MIGRATORY BIRDS. 
          IF THESE BIRDS WERE TO NEST IN THE TREES ON THE PROJECT SITE, MITIGATION MEASURE, BR ONE WOULD REQUIRE TREE REMOVAL TO BE DONE BEFORE OR AFTER THE BREEDING SEASON, IF THE TREE REMOVAL AND RELOCATION ARE TO OCCUR DURING THE BREEDING SEASON, BUT NESTING SURVEY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND AS THINGS SURVEY WOULD, UM, BE REQUIRE NO MORE THAN ONE WEEK PRIOR TO THE TREE REMOVAL AND RELOCATION ACTIVITY AND THE TREE REMOVAL AND RELOCATION CAN ONLY OCCUR IF NO ACTIVE BIRDS ARE DETECTED WITH REGARDS TO CULTURAL RESOURCES, NO ARCHEOLOGICAL RESOURCES ARE KNOWN TO EXIST ON THE PROJECT SITE. 
          SINCE THE SITE HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY GRADED AND DEVELOPED, HOWEVER MITIGATION MEASURES ARE PROVIDED BECAUSE THERE IS A POTENTIAL THAT UNANTICIPATED ARCHEOLOGICAL RESOURCES COULD BE ENCOUNTERED DURING GROUNDLESS DRIVEN'S ACTIVITIES. 
          THE MITIGATION MEASURES FOR CULTURAL RESOURCES ARE TYPICALLY USED TO PREVENT THE POTENTIAL DESTRUCTION OF ARCHEOLOGICAL RESOURCES, SUCH AS, UM, MITIGATION MEASURES C R ONE THAT REQUIRES CONSTRUCTION PERSONNEL TO UNDERGO ARCHEOLOGICAL SENSITIVITY TRAINING PRIOR TO ANY GROUND DISTURBANCE, ACTIVITIES AND MITIGATION MEASURES, CO2, WHICH INVOLVES PROCEDURAL STEPS THAT WOULD BE TAKEN IN THE EVENT OF ANY UNANTICIPATED DISCOVERY DURING CONSTRUCTION. 
          THESE TWO MITIGATION MEASURES ARE STANDARD MEASURES THAT ARE TYPICALLY APPLIED TO PREVENT THE DESTRUCTION OF UNANTICIPATED ARCHEOLOGICAL RESOURCES DURING GROUND DRIVEN'S ACTIVITIES FOR JOE, LOT GEOLOGY AND SOILS, UM, POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS ARE GENERALLY RELATED TO THE POTENTIAL DISCOVERY OF PALEONTOLOGICAL RESOURCES DURING GROUND DISTURBING ACTIVITIES. 
          ALTHOUGH CONSTRUCTION OF THE PROJECT IS NOT EXPECTED TO DISTURB NATIVE SOIL SINCE THE SITE HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY GRADED AND DEVELOPED, AND THE PROJECT WOULD NOT INVOLVE DEEP LEVELS OF EXCAVATION. 
          IT IS POSSIBLE THAT UNANTICIPATED PALY UNTIL A LOT PALEONTOLOGICAL RESOURCES COULD BE DURING GROUND DISTURBING ACTIVITIES AS WITH THE MITIGATION MEASURES FOR ARCHEOLOGICAL RESOURCES THAT GEOLOGY AND SOIL MITIGATION MEASURES ARE STANDARD MEASURES TO PREVENT THE POTENTIAL DESTRUCTION OF AN ANTICIPATED DISCOVERY OF PALEO TOPOLOGICAL RESOURCES. 
          THESE MITIGATION MEASURES INCLUDE TRAINING FOR CONSTRUCTION PERSONNEL PRIOR TO GROUND DISTURBING ACCIDENT ACTIVITIES. 
          SO THAT CONSTRUCTION PERSONNEL ARE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE THE APPEARANCE OF FOSSILS AND UNDERSTAND THE PROCEDURES FOR ANOTHER NOTIFYING. 
          A PERIOD ON TOP TOLOGIST AND FOSSILS ARE DISCOVER, UM, MITIGATION MEASURE  INVOLVES PROCEDURAL STEPS THAT WILL BE TAKEN IF UNANTICIPATED PALEONTOLOGICAL RESOURCES ARE ENCOUNTERED DURING CONSTRUCTION WITH REGARDS TO NOISE PROJECT RELATED CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES WOULD BE DISRUPTIVE TO NEARBY RESIDENCES TO REDUCE CONSTRUCTION NOISE LEVELS AT RESIDENCES, SEVERAL MEASURES ARE PROVIDED. 
          UM, THESE MITIGATION MEASURES INCLUDE THE USE OF MOST MUFFLERS ON CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT, UM, USING TEMPORARY NOISE BARRIERS TO BE INSTALLED ALONG THE PERIMETER OF THE PROJECT SITE FACING VAN HORN AVENUE, AS WELL AS ALONG THE PERIMETER OF THE SALE, A LONGER SET AVENUE FROM THE NORTHERN PERIMETER AT VAN HORN AVENUE TO ABOUT 100 FEET SOUTH OF THE STREET, UM, LOCATING CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES WHOSE SPECIFIC LOCATION MAY BE FLEXIBLE TO BE PLACED AS FAR AWAY AS POSSIBLE FROM NOISE SENSITIVE LAND USES. 
          AND IN THIS CASE, DIDN'T NOISE SENSITIVE LAND USES ARE THE NEARBY RESIDENCES AND LOCATING CONSTRUCTION STAGING AREAS AWAY FROM RESIDENCES, AS WELL AS ESTABLISHING A NOISE DISTURBANCE COORDINATOR TO ADDRESS ANY NOISE COMPLAINTS THAT MAY BE BROUGHT UP WITH REGARDS TO TRIBAL CULTURAL RESOURCES, NO 
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KNOWN TRIBAL CULTURAL RESOURCES HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY DISCOVERED ON THE PROJECT SITE. 
          HOWEVER, AS WITH ARCHEOLOGICAL AND PALEONTOLOGICAL RESOURCES, MITIGATION MEASURES ARE PROVIDED IN CASE TRIBAL CULTURAL RESOURCES ARE DISCOVERED DURING GROUND DISTURBANCE ACTIVITIES. 
          ONE OF THE MITIGATION MEASURES WOULD REQUIRE A TRIBAL MONITOR TO BE RETAINED AND BE PRESENT DURING GROUND DISTURBING ACTIVITIES. 
          UM, THE OTHER, THE OTHER MITIGATION MEASURE , UM, IS SIMILAR TO ARCHEOLOGICAL RESOURCES. 
          IF TRIBAL ARCHEOLOGICAL RESOURCES ARE DISCOVERED, THE FINE WOULD BE EVALUATED BY AN ARCHEOLOGIST AND TRIBAL MONITOR TO DETERMINE IF THE RESOURCE IS OF NATIVE AMERICAN ORIGIN AND MITIGATION MEASURE, T R THREE WOULD INCLUDE PROCEDURAL STEPS. 
          YOU HAVE HUMAN REMAINS ARE DISCOVERED IN, ARE BELIEVED TO BE A NATIVE AMERICAN OR, UM, ARE BELIEVED TO BE OF A NATIVE AMERICAN. 
          UM, THESE MITIGATION MEASURES THAT I HAVE JUST SUMMARIZED, WE DO POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS TO THE TWO LESS THAN SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS. 
          AND DURING THE PUBLIC REVIEW PERIOD, ONE COMMENT LETTER WAS RECEIVED. 
          THE LETTER WAS FROM THE LOS ANGELES COUNTY SANITATION DISTRICT DISTRICTS AND PROVIDES INFORMATION ON THE CAPACITY OF THE SANITATION DISTRICTS, SEWER SEWER THAT WAS SERVED. 
          THE PROJECT SITE ESTIMATES TO PROJECTS. 
          WASTEWATER FLOW PROVIDES INFORMATION ON THE SAN JOSE CREEK WATER RECLAMATION PANT PLANT, WHICH IS THE PLANT THAT WOULD TREAT WASTEWATER FROM THE PROJECT SITE AND INFORMATION REGARDING THE SEWER CONNECTION FEET THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO PAY TO THE DISTRICTS. 
          THE INFORMATION PROVIDED IN THE COMMENT LETTER DOES NOT RAISE ANY NEW, SIGNIFICANT ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES. 
          IT DOES NOT CHANGE THE IMPACT CONCLUSION OF THE INITIAL STUDY IN SUMMARY, THE INITIAL STUDY AND MITIGATE A NEGATIVE NEGATIVE DECLARATION FOUND THAT ALL POTENTIAL SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROPOSED PROJECT WOULD BE REDUCED TO LESS THAN SIGNIFICANT LEVELS WITH IMPLEMENTATION OF MITIGATION MEASURES. 
          I'M AVAILABLE. 
          IF MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AND THE TRANSPORTATION CONSULTANT IS ALSO HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, WITH THAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVE THE PROJECT AND WELL, THE UPON THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMEND US THAT THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE PROJECT SINCE THE PROJECT INVOLVES A GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT. 
          AND AS HIS OWN CHANGE THAT THE FINAL APPROVAL AUTHORITY IS PROVIDED TO THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE STAFF REPORT. 
          DOES ANY MEMBER OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF? CAN I SHOW THE TEARS TO MR. WILLIAMS? NO, NOT AT THIS TIME. 
          COMMISSIONER HANG OUT AT THIS TIME AS CHAIR LEWIS. 
          UM, I HAD, I HAD ONE QUICK QUESTION. 
          SO THIS, THIS SITE IS CURRENTLY ZONED  IN THE EVENT THAT, UM, THAT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES WERE BUILT ON THIS PROPERTY. 
          WE WOULD NOT HAVE TO HAVE A MITIGATED NEGATIVE DECLARATION IMPACT OR NEGATIVE MITIGATED NEG DEC, SORRY. 
          I ALWAYS FORGET THE, THE TURN OF PHRASE ANYWAY, IS THAT NOT CORRECT? SO IN THE EVENT THAT THIS WAS NOT A SPECIFIC PLAN AND, AND, AND WE'RE APPROVING THE BUILDING OF SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES ON THIS, ON THIS PREMISES, WOULD WE STILL HAVE TO HAVE A MITIGATED, UH, DECLARATION AS WELL? OKAY. 
          SO JUST, JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR IS WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE THE SIZE AT WHICH THAT IS IMPLICATED? UM, IF THE PROJECT REQUIRES A TENTATIVE TRACK MAP, WHICH INVOLVES A SUBDIVISION OF MORE THAN FOUR LOTS, THEN IT WILL REQUIRE A MITIGATED NEGATIVE DECLARATION. 
          IF IT'S, UH, AN A PARCEL MAP, IT WILL NOT. 
          OKAY. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          ACTUALLY, I LIKE TO ASK OR ADD ON TO THAT QUESTION. 
          SO THIS PARTICULAR LOT IS 2.2 ACRES. 
          IF IT WERE TO BE MADE THE SAME RESIDENTIAL LOT, IS IT EACH ACRE WE'RE ALLOWED TO BILL EIGHT HOMES? SO THIS POTENTIAL, IT CAN BE BUILT 17 OR SO HOMES. 
          WELL, AND WITH THAT, LET'S SAY THAT IF THEY WERE USING FOR OUR ONE STEEL, THE NEGATIVE AND DECORATION DOES STILL REQUIRE BECAUSE IT'S MORE THAN FOUR. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
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ARE WE READY FOR THE APPLICANT? LET ME JUST SEE IF THERE'S ANY MORE QUESTIONS. 
          DO WE HAVE ANY CARDS? YOU MEAN CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS. 
          THANKS FOR, UH, GIVE ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TONIGHT. 
          MY NAME IS MATT LIVINGSTON. 
          I'M THE PRESIDENT OF RC HOMES. 
          UH, THANKS STAFF AS WELL FOR ALL YOUR HARD, HARD WORK ON THIS. 
          UM, OUR, UH, VICE PRESIDENT, UH, TIM SALES, UH, WHO'S REALLY THE PROJECT MANAGER OF THIS PROJECT. 
          UH, SEARS VOLUME CAN ANSWER, UM, AS GRANULAR QUESTIONS AS YOU LIKE. 
          UM, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT WE'VE BEEN IN THE CITY FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS NOW, AND, UM, I'VE REALLY GOTTEN TO KNOW THE NEIGHBORS REALLY WELL. 
          THAT'S BEEN A HUGE POINT OF EMPHASIS OF OURS, UH, BOTH WHEN WE HAD AN ASSISTED LIVING PROPOSED ASSISTED LIVING PROJECT. 
          UH, AND THEN NOW WITH THIS PROJECT, UH, I'VE BEEN IN THEIR HOMES AND IN THEIR BACK YARDS DURING COVID MANY TIMES, AND REALLY TRIED TO BE COLLABORATIVE WITH THEM. 
          UH, NOT EVERYONE ENGAGED WITH US, BUT WE REALLY FOCUSED ON THE PEOPLE ON VAN HORN AND ACROSS THE STREET ON MERSEYSIDE. 
          AND, UM, UH, A NUMBER OF THEM I'VE HAD MEETINGS WITH, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UH, DIFFERENT PRODUCT TYPES. 
          WE'VE TALKED ABOUT DIFFERENT ARCHITECTURAL STYLES THAT YOU'VE BEEN, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, AS A DEVELOPER THAT'S, UM, KIND OF FEELS KIND OF RISKY TO BE, UH, INCLUDING NEIGHBORS IN REALLY IMPORTANT DECISIONS. 
          BUT, UM, I GOT TO KNOW THEM REALLY WELL AND I FOUND THEM TO BE, UM, PRODUCTIVE AND, UM, AND THOUGHTFUL PEOPLE. 
          AND, UM, I THINK WE REACHED, UM, A CONCLUSION TO VOTE PROJECT THAT EVERYONE IS EXCITED ABOUT OR FROM THE I'VE MET WITH AT LEAST. 
          AND, UM, UH, WE'VE TAKEN STEPS TO NOT PUT TRAFFIC ON VAN HORN, WHICH WAS REALLY A CONCERN OF THEIR, SO WE ONLY HAVE OUR ACCESS OFF FROM HER SAID, UM, AT ONE POINT WE DEBATED HAVING A THREE-STORY PRODUCT AND SETTLED ON THE TWO STORY TOWNHOMES, UM, CAUSE THAT WAS MORE ACCEPTABLE TO THEM. 
          AND I THINK IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PROJECT B I USE, UH, EXCELLENT ARCHITECT, UH, KNOWN AS, UH, WILLIAM HAS SOME COLLEGE ARCHITECTS AND WE'RE EXCITED TO BE HERE AND, UM, AND BUILD THIS PROJECT. 
          WE ARE, UM, WE'RE HOME BUILDERS. 
          WE STEPPED OUT OF OUR USUAL BUSINESS A LITTLE BIT TO GO INTO ASSISTED LIVING AT THE WORST POSSIBLE TIME. 
          THIS BRUSH WAS APPROVED, I THINK, A MONTH AFTER COVID OR TOO MUCH OTHER PROJECT A MONTH OR TWO AFTER COVID. 
          UH, THAT WAS A, UM, UH, I THINK, UH, ALMOST A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT STRUCTURE. 
          THIS IS A MUCH LOWER DENSITY LAND USE, AND I THINK ACTUALLY FITS MUCH BETTER WITH, UM, WITH OUR, WITH THE SURROUNDING LAND USES. 
          IT'S A HEARST RANCH ON ONE SIDE OF THAT WASH AND THEN IT'S SINGLE FAMILY ON THE OTHER. 
          SO IT'S REALLY, I THINK, UM, A LOGICAL KIND OF TRANSITION FROM MORE KIND OF COMMERCIAL AND CIVIC TYPE USES INTO THE HIGH SCHOOLS OVER THERE TO, INTO A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO, UM, UH, UH, TIM AND I ARE BOTH HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE AND THANKS FOR, THANKS FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT. 
          UM, I DO HAVE A QUESTION. 
          UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU GUYS ARE ASKING AS PART OF YOUR APPROVAL FOR A VESTING TENTATIVE TRACK MAP, BUT I GUESS THE TRACK MAPS WE WERE GIVEN JUST TALKS ABOUT TENTATIVE AND THERE'S NO DESCRIPTION ABOUT THE VESTING, EVEN WHEN IT COMES TO DESCRIBING THE CONDOMINIUM PURPOSES. 
          CAN YOU ELABORATE? I WILL GIVE IT A SHOT. 
          OKAY. 
          ARE EQUIPPED TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION THAN I AM. 
          UH, MY BASIC UNDERSTANDING OF THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A VESTING TENTATIVE MAP AND A TENTATIVE MAP IS THAT INVEST IN TENTATIVE MAP, UH, ONCE IT'S APPROVED BEST, UH, CERTAIN DEVELOPMENT, THE DEVELOPMENT CODE AND RIGHTS THAT ARE IN PLACE AT THAT TIME. 
          SO THAT THERE'S CHANGES DOWN THE ROAD, UH, TO THE CITY'S CODE. 
          UM, OUR RIGHTS ARE PRESERVED. 
          UH, I BELIEVE, I BELIEVE SB THREE 30 PROBABLY MAKES THAT EVEN A MOOT POINT AT THIS POINT. 
          UM, BUT THAT'S MY COMMISSIONER. 
          IT'S, IT'S ESSENTIALLY INVEST ONCE THIS COMMISSION APPROVES AND, UM, ONCE THEY SPEND A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY, THEN IT'S CONSIDERED VESTED AND THEY HAVE A PROPERTY RATE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND ON THE CONDOMINIUM PORTION, NOT SURE TO UNDERSTAND. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, IN THE PAST, WHEN, UM, I HAVE SEEN TENTATIVE MAPS THAT ARE GOING TO BE FOR CONDOMINIUMS OR FOR TOWNHOMES, BECAUSE THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT TYPES, NORMALLY THAT'S DESCRIBED IN THE TENTATIVE MAP, BUT AGAIN, I NOTICED THE TENTATIVE TRACK MAPS. 
          WE HAVE DON'T DESCRIBE THE CONDOMINIUM PORTION SINCE I GUESS THAT'S WHAT THESE UNITS WOULD BE. 
          I DEFER TO PLANNING TO ANSWER. 
          I THINK I COULD ACTUALLY ANSWER THAT ONE TOO. 
          I THINK, UH, THE, UH, CONDOMINIUM MAP WILL PROCESS SEPARATELY, UM, AS IT'S JUST, UH, UH, UH, SEPARATION OF AIRSPACE. 
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AND I THINK TYPICALLY THAT'S VIEWED AS LESS, UM, CONTROVERSIAL IS THE RIGHT WORD, BUT, UM, IT'S, UH, UH, I THINK THE IMPORTANT DOCUMENT IS THE TENTATIVE MAP OR THE VESTING TENTATIVE MAP IN THIS CASE THAT GIVES US THE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS AND THEN THE CONDO MAP. 
          UM, IT'S KIND OF, I THINK IT'S ROUGHLY AKIN TO A RECORDING, LIKE A FINAL MAP WHERE YOU'RE, UM, BASICALLY, UM, SEPARATING AIRSPACE. 
          SO WHAT WILL THE FINAL MAPS SAY? WELL, IT SAY IT WAS A VESTING TENTATIVE TRACK MAP THAT WAS ACTUALLY FINALLY RECORDED FOR CONDOMINIUM PURPOSES. 
          I THINK WE WILL RECORD THE, UH, VESTING, THE VESTING TENTATIVE MAP WILL BECOME A FINAL MAP. 
          WE'LL RECORD THAT FINAL MAP. 
          AND THEN SEPARATELY WE'LL PRO WE'LL PROCESS, A CONDOMINIUM, UH, AIRSPACE SUBDIVISION WITH, UH, THE DEPARTMENT OF REAL ESTATE. 
          UM, I'M NOT SURE IF, UH, CITY STAFF REVIEWS THE CONDO MAP OR NOT, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE TYPICALLY SEND IT TO THE DRE OKAY. 
          IN OTHER CITIES HERE IN JUST THE LOS ANGELES COUNTY, UM, ORDINARILY, UM, THESE MAPS WOULD BE SHARED WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS WELL AS THE CITY COUNCIL, SO THAT THEY UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT IT IS THAT THEY ARE APPROVING AND WHAT THE DESCRIPTION IS OF WHAT'S GOING TO BE SOLD. 
          I THINK THE, THE, UH, THE CONDO MAP IS I'M JUST GOING TO FOLLOW THE LINES OF THE, UM, THE FLOOR PLAN AND THE ARCHITECTURE. 
          SO IN BETWEEN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE FOURPLEX THAT WAS ON THE SCREEN, FOR EXAMPLE, THE CONDO MAP WITHIN BASICALLY THESE SUPERIMPOSED ON TOP OF THAT, WHICH WOULD SEPARATE THE AIRSPACE LEGALLY SO THAT WE COULD SELL THAT SEPARATELY. 
          AND LET ME JUST ADD, I AGREE WITH, UH, THE, UH, COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS, THERE, THERE'S A VARIETY OF WAYS THAT THESE THINGS ARE DONE. 
          UM, IT'S AT FIRST A SINGLE LOT TENTATIVE MAP, AND THEN THERE'S A CONDO PLAN TOP, AS MATT SAID. 
          UH, IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT THE DISPLAYS OF THE LANDSCAPE PLAN AND THE PLOT PLAN FOR THE SITE, UH, THE, THE UNIT AREAS WILL BE THE INDIVIDUAL, UM, UH, PLAN AREAS OF EACH OF THE UNITS. 
          THERE WILL ALSO BE SOME EXCLUSIVE USE COMMON AREA WHERE THEY HAVE PRIVATE OPEN SPACE AND THE REMAINDER WOULD BE A COMMON OPEN. 
          IT WOULD BE A COMMON AREA. 
          SO THOSE WILL BE THE THREE DELINEATIONS. 
          AND SO IT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WILL PROVIDE THAT WITH PLANNING TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T DEVIATE FROM THAT, BUT THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE SORT OF, UM, UH, MASTER PLAN FOR THE CONDO PLAN. 
          IT WILL BE CONFORMANCE WITH THAT, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S A RECORD REQUIREMENT HERE IN THE CITY TO HAVE A CONDO PLAN AT THIS POINT, BUT WE WOULD CERTAINLY SHARE THAT WITH A STAFF AND ENSURE THAT IT'S IN COMPLIANCE WITH WHATEVER YOU MAKE COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS THAT I CAN ADD TO THAT. 
          UM, THE TENANT ATTRACT MACK DOES GO BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          SO THERE, THEY WILL BE REVIEWING IT. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          UM, SO FOR THE WALNUT CREEK WASH, WHAT KIND OF FENCE IS GOING THERE OR METAL, WHATEVER, UM, A STEEL TUBULAR STEEL FENCE. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THAT, UH, MIGHT WANT IN THE PICTURE? NO, SIR. 
          CLEAR. 
          IT'S NOT ON HERE. 
          UH, THERE'S A, UH, SOME, SOME VERY LANDSCAPE HAS SOME ELEVATIONS OF THAT'S IT LIKE THAT, THEN THE DIM METAL BARS ARE, OH, IS IT LIKE A ONE INCH? IT'S LIKE A ONE INCH SQUARE TICKET? YOU KNOW, THERE ARE METAL BARS, USUALLY LONG BE, UH, SIX FEET FACING THOSE CREATIVE STRONG EDGE THERE. 
          THE ONE THAT, AND I THINK THAT'S THIS PROPERLY AND WE , UH, AND ARCHITECTURAL BACK JUST RIGHT BEFORE THE LAST PAGE. 
          IT HAS ALL PRETTY BEAUTIFUL STONE ELEVATIONS. 
          THAT SHOW THAT WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO? CAUSE I KNOW THE WALNUT CREEK WASH HAS A LOT OF TRANSIENTS THAT, UH, WALK BEHIND THERE. 
          AND I KNOW IT'S BEEN AN ISSUE IN A LOT IN DISTRICT THREE AND DISTRICT TWO SOMETIMES, UM, OFF THAT, THAT CREEK WALK, ARE YOU OPEN TO MAKING THAT A SOLID, 
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A SOLID VINYL FANS OR A FENCE IN GENERAL? OR JUST SOME SORT? I DON'T WANT ME, I DON'T HAVE STRONG FEELINGS EITHER WAY. 
          I THINK WE'RE A DEBATE ABOUT WHAT'S IT'S BETTER FOR SAFETY CAUSE YOU NEED TO ACTUALLY SEE SOME GOOD HIGH BY THE SOLID WALL. 
          I THINK ULTIMATELY THAT'S BLOODY DECISION. 
          I'M CERTAINLY NOT AN EXPERT IN PUBLIC VIEW. 
          I REALLY YOU'RE STUCK WITH WHAT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN MY NEXT QUESTION IS, UM, FOR YOUR HOMEOWNERS ASSISTANCE PROGRAM, LET'S SEE DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM IS SEE THAT YOU SEE, HEY, LEAVE A MINIMUM OF FOUR. 
          LET'S SEE, WHERE'S IT ALMOST DONE NO LESS. 
          SO AS SOON AS THEY IS ESTABLISHED HOMEOWNERSHIP ASSISTANCE PROGRAM FOR NO LESS THAN FOUR HOMES. 
          AND I SEE THAT THERE'S A ALLOCATION OR A BUDGET IN GENERAL FERTILE FOR THAT FOR $50,000, ARE YOU OPEN TO MAKING THAT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR THAT PROGRAM ALLOCATING A HUNDRED THOUSAND FOR THAT PROGRAM IS I'M ASSUMING YOU'LL BE SELLING THESE CONDOMS WHILE OVER 600,000, THE CURRENT MARKET THAT'S CALLING RIGHT NOW, IT'S PROBABLY WORTH BETWEEN SEVEN AND EIGHT, THESE TUMBLES. 
          UH, AND DO YOU HAVE ANY, AND THEN, SO ONCE THESE CONDOS ARE BUILT, YOU'LL HAVE A CONDO, A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, AND CURRENTLY, DO YOU PROPOSE, DO YOU HAVE PLAN TO MAKE A PARKING RESTRICTIONS IN FRONT OF GARAGES AND SO FAR AND RESTRICT DATE? I JUST, JUST FOR PART, YEAH, BY THE HOA DOCUMENTS AND OURS TO THE CITY. 
          AND DO, DO WE KNOW, OR MAY WE SEE STAFF KNOWN UNDER THE RULES OR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL? IS THERE A PARKING PERMIT PROGRAM FOR LIKE YOUR, YOUR PO THE PHOTO SPOTS? SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AN EXTRA, WILL YOU HAVE A PARKING PERMIT PROGRAM OR SO WE TEND TO DISCOURAGE AND IT'S, OR WE MIGHT, YOU KNOW, HAVE LIKE A HANGER PROGRAM WHERE SOMEONE MIGHT HAVE A VISITOR PASS, YOU HAVE LIMITATIONS ON HOW MANY, SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE OPEN TO CREATING A RESERVE PASS PROGRAM. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          SO THEY ARE, SO EVERYONE'S ONE OR TWO B, THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS FOR NOW. 
          I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTIONS. 
          UM, PREDOMINANTLY I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S PROBABLY TO OUR PLANNING STAFF, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THE TWO BIG, UH, REQUEST ITEM IS THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT, WHICH IS FROM LOW TO MEDIUM DENSITY NOW LOW CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW IT'S AT ZONE FOUR, EACH ACRES, EIGHT UNITS AND MEDIUM DENSITY. 
          IS IT INCREASING TO WANTE UNIT PER ACRE? THAT'S A GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT THAT WE'RE BEING IT'S IN FRONT OF US THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING FOR. 
          AND THE OTHER ONE IS THE ZONE CHANGE, THE ZONE CHANGES. 
          AND , IF I, I I'M S I'M ASSUMING THAT OUR ONE IS EACH ACRES, YOU CAN BUILD EIGHT UNITS AND EACH OF THOSE UNITS WILL BE AN R ONE. 
          SO BASICALLY IN ACRES, AND THEN I'M CHANGING IT TO PACIFIC PLAN. 
          I THINK, I THINK I'LL PLANNERS LOOKING INTO IT. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE TWO BIG ITEMS THAT WE ARE MAKING CHANGES TO THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT. 
          SORRY, CAN WE SHARING, CAN YOU CLARIFY YOUR QUESTION? I GUESS I JUST I'M, I'M JUST LOOKING AT ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OR THE, THE ZONE CHANGES THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH. 
          ONE OF THE BIG ONE WAS THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT, AND THAT WAS CURRENTLY THE AREA IS ZONED FOR LOW DENSITY AND WE'RE CHANGING IT TO, OR THEY'RE REQUESTING IT TO CHANGE IT TO A BDM DENSITY. 
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NOW THE MEDIUM DENSITY, I GUESS THE LOW DENSITY IS ONE ACRE PER EIGHT UNIT. 
          I JUST WANTED TO SEE IF YOU CAN, UM, CONFIRM IF IT'S, IF THAT'S IT. 
          AND ALSO THE MEDIUM DENSITY IS AT ONE ACRE FOR 20 UNITS. 
          SO IN, IN A SENSE, THIS, THIS, UM, CURRENT LOT SIZE IS 2.2 ACRE. 
          SO YOU DO 2.2 ACRES TIME, EIGHT UNITS, I DON'T KNOW, 20 ISH OR 20, SORRY. 
          I'M SO USED TO PUNCHING IN MY CALCULATOR, BUT, UM, YOU'RE CHANGING IT TO 20. 
          THAT'S WHY TWO ACRES, YOU GET 40, 39 HOMES CLOSE TO 40, IS THAT I WOULD ASSUME THAT WOULD BE, IT'S AMAZING. 
          THE DENSITY IS A CHANGE. 
          WE REALLY DESIGNED THE PROJECT. 
          AND THEN, RIGHT. 
          SO THAT'S THE CHANGES THAT WAS REQUESTED. 
          AND THE OTHER ONE WAS A ZONE CHANGE, WHICH IS FROM THE  TO PACIFIC PLAN. 
          AND THE ONE I JUST WANT TO MAKE CLARIFY TOO, BECAUSE IN  IS I BELIEVE IT'S THE SAME AS WHAT SIMILAR, WHAT I HAD STATED EARLIER WITH THE ROAD DENSITY, WHICH IS ONE ACRE IS EQUAL STATE HOME. 
          ONE OF THOSE HOMES EACH IS CONSIDER ONE. 
          SO THERE WOULD BE EIGHT  IN ONE ACRE TO PACIFIC PLAN, WHICH IS PUTTING EVERYTHING INTO ONE INTO THAT 2.2, SIX ACRES I'VE COVERED THE NUMBERS. 
          YEAH. 
          2.26 ACRE. 
          IS THAT, CAN YOU VERIFY THE NUMBER IN TERMS OF THE LOAD DENSITY IN THE ONE THAT'S CORRECT. 
          UM, HOWEVER, BASED ON THE AREA DISTRICT, THIS PROPERTY IS IN, UM, IT'S AN AREA OF DISTRICT ONE, THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE FOR THAT AREA DISTRICT IS 7,500 SQUARE FEET. 
          UM, AND THERE ARE ALSO MINIMUM LOT WIDTHS AND DEPTHS. 
          SO, UM, ALTHOUGH THAT'S THE MAXIMUM DENSITY ALLOWED IN A LOW, MEDIUM, LOW NEIGHBORHOOD, NOT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO FIT THAT MANY UNITS. 
          IT COULD BE LOWER YOU'RE SAYING YES. 
          GOTCHA. 
          OKAY. 
          SO INSTEAD OF EIGHT, IT COULD BE POTENTIALLY FIVE OR SEVEN OR WHAT HAVE YOU, DEPENDING ON THE WIDTH AND THE DAN'S CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. 
          WOULD THERE BE ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING HOOKUPS OR, OR, OR W OR WHATEVER THE WIRING NEEDED FOR HOOKUPS? YES. 
          YEAH. 
          ALL OF THE, ALL OF THE GARAGES WILL BE PRE-WIRED FOR, UM, THE HOOKUPS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO HOMEWORK COULD JUST EASILY INSTALL THE WALL CHARGER AND BE READY TO GO. 
          PERFECT. 
          ARE THESE THE ACTUAL DECORATIONS, UH, THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE OR LANDSCAPING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE IMPLEMENTING? THE, UH, EVERYTHING IN THAT PACKAGE IS PART OF THE PLANS THAT ARE BEING, UH, DESIGNED THE PLANT MATERIALS. 
          THOSE ARE SAMPLES OF THE PLANT MATERIALS AND MATERIALS WOULD LOOK LIKE. 
          AND THEN YOU CAN LOOK AT THE LANDSCAPE, UH, TO SEE WHERE EACH OF THOSE TYPES OF PRODUCTS. 
          IT'S VERY TASTEFULLY DONE. 
          ALSO FORMING WITH THE STATE'S NEW, UH, WATER CONSERVATION IS THE COMMUNITY GATED, OR THIS SEEMS LIKE A VERY NICE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          HE'S A GREAT NAME. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I MEAN, THE INTERIOR, THIS DIVISION ITSELF SEEMS VERY, VERY NICE. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          WILL THERE BE A LIGHTING IN THE PARKING OR IN THE PARK AREA OR THE PUBLIC, THE PUBLIC AREAS I'VE BEEN LIVING THIS FOR, YOU KNOW, NINE MONTHS NOW? UH, YES, THERE IS. 
          THERE'S, UH, THERE'S, UH, LIGHTING, UM, THAT WILL BE, UH, EITHER BOLLARD LIGHTING, YOU KNOW, LIKE A LONG PATH OR LONG THE CENTRAL DINING AREA. 
          THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME LIGHTING IN THE BACKSIDE OF A SEPARATION WALL THAT SEPARATES THE  FROM THE OTHER DRIVE AREAS, AND THEN SOME LIGHTING ON THE TRELLIS. 
          AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF, UH, OF DECORATIVE LIGHTING FIXTURES, WHICH PROVIDE COMMON AREA LIGHTING, UH, ON THE BUILDINGS. 
          THEY'RE NOT INDUSTRIAL WALL PACK THINGS THAT ACTUALLY HAVE DECORATIVE ELEMENTS TO THEM RIGHT HERE. 
          AND SO THE, AND THE LIGHTING IS, IS DESIGNED TO BE APPROPRIATE FOR VESTRY AND ACCESS FOR EMERGENCIES. 
          SO IT'S NOT LIKE BRIGHT PARKING LOT LIGHTING IT'S MEANT TO BE FOR LIKE THE, THE APPROPRIATE CANDLE FOOT. 
          SO YOU DON'T TRIP AND YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU'RE GOING AND SAME THING FOR THE DRIVER. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THE CITY HAS STANDARDS ABOUT MAKING SURE THE LIGHTS, NOT INCLUDING OUTWARDS AND BEING HOME. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT'S 
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FINDING THE BALANCE WITH SATAN. 
          YEAH, SURE. 
          GUTIERREZ. 
          I ALSO WANTED TO MENTION, SUGGEST ABOUT, UH, CHARGING, WHERE THE HOMES ARE ALL ELECTRIC. 
          UH, SO WE'RE NOT, UH, WAS HE A NATURAL GAS? UH, GREAT. 
          AND WILL YOU BE OPEN TO, UH, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, I THINK THE THING THERE'S LIKE A BIGGER PARK AREA ON THE, ON THE BUS WHERE THE DEAD END SIDE. 
          YEAH. 
          WILL YOU BE OPEN TO MAKING SURE WORKING WITH CITY STAFF TO DETERMINE IF APPROPRIATE ENLIGHTENING, IF MORE APPROPRIATE LIGHTING IS NEEDED IN THAT AREA? YEAH, JUST IN CASE, I MEAN, IF KIDS ARE PLAYING THERE AT NIGHT, OBVIOUSLY IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO A WASH SHORTY, SO, OKAY. 
          PERFECT. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT I INCLUDED? THE TYPE OF LIGHTING IS UP ON THE PROJECTOR. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          WE'LL BE CALLING ALL WHO ARE OPPOSED. 
          OH, YOU HAVE A LORRAINA. 
          YES. 
          I KNOW. 
          WE NEED MORE HELP. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          CAN YOU PULL THE MIC DOWN A LITTLE BIT SO WE CAN HEAR YOU BETTER? THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          I'M NOT COMPLETELY OPPOSED TO THE PROJECT BECAUSE I KNOW IT DOES NEED TO BE DEVELOPED. 
          I LIVED ON THE OTHER SIDE, WHICH IS, UH, THE DEVORE SIDE, WHICH IS ACROSS THE STREET. 
          SOME MUM, I, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURE, MY, MY HEALTH IS YOU CAN SEE JUST THE BACK WALL OF MY HOUSE. 
          UM, SO I WOULD PERSONALLY LIKE TO SEE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE HOMES SINCE TO KEEP A CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S ALREADY IN THE AREA, NOT CONDOS OR TOWNHOMES NOW WITH CONSISTENT AND LOWER IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT TOO. 
          YOU KNOW, LIKE I LIKE MY COMMUNITY THE WAY IT IS. 
          LIKE I SAID, IT DOES SEEM LIKE A VERY NICE DEVELOPMENT, BUT I WOULD PREFER SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT'S WAY, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT WILL LOOK BLENDS IN MORE AND IT LOOKS, KEEPS IT CONSISTENT AND COHESIVE. 
          THAT'D BE MY PREFERENCE. 
          SO HAS, WAS THAT EVER THOUGHT OF TO DO THAT TYPE OF PROJECT BY THE DEVELOPER JUST BUILT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES? YES. 
          I KNOW YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET THE MORE MONEY ON YOUR RETURN BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT, THERE'S LESS TO BE SOLD. 
          IF YOU CALL ONLY DEVELOP, LET'S SAY 12 HOMES COMPARED TO 40 TOWNHOMES. 
          SO WAS THAT EVER THOUGHT OF TO BUILD SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, TO KEEP IT AN R ONE AS IT IS? AND THAT'S JUST WHAT I WANTED TO SAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DID THEY APPOINT ONE OR REBUTTAL TO THAT? DID YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT CONCERN? I THINK WE'RE ALL ACUTELY AWARE OF THE HOUSING CRISIS WE HAVE AND YOU KNOW, IT, THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THAT ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN'T GET AWAY FROM EITHER AS A DEVELOPER. 
          UM, IF WE COULD BUILD SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND SELL THEM FOR, YOU KNOW, 80% OF THE PRICE THAT A HOME GOES FORWARD TODAY, UH, AND STILL MAKE A REASONABLE MARGIN, WE WOULD DO THAT ALL DAY LONG. 
          UH, BUT, UH, THE UNFORTUNATE CIRCUMSTANCES IS WE'RE IN A, UH, EXTREME HOUSING CRUNCH. 
          UM, PRICES HAVE GONE UP, YOU KNOW, IN STRATOSPHERIC LEVELS AND IN ORDER TO, UM, UH, PROVIDE HOUSING THAT'S, UH, UH, REMOTELY AFFORDABLE TO PEOPLE, UM, UH, REALLY THE ONLY WAY TO ACHIEVE THAT IS DENSITY. 
          AND I THINK IT'S MY OPINION IS FAIRLY MODERATE DENSITY. 
          UM, WE'RE NOT RESTORING TOWN HOMES OR FOUR STORY TOWN HOMES, THE BIG APARTMENT BUILDING. 
          UM, AND, UH, IT WOULD, I THINK IT WOULD DELIVER 12 HOMES. 
          UM, THIS LOCATION OF PRICES YOU WOULD HAVE WOULD, THIS WOULD BE ASTRONOMIC AND I DON'T THINK WOULD BE, UM, IT'S RIGHT NOW QUESTION, WHAT WOULD YOU GUYS BE MARKETING THESE CONDOMINIUMS FOR BEING THAT THEY'RE 13 TO 1400 SQUARE FEET? UM, I WOULD, UH, RIGHT NOW I WOULD SAY, UH, I THINK COMMISSIONER GUTIERREZ IS PRETTY MUCH RIGHT ON THE MONEY. 
          I THINK I'M PROBABLY IN THE BALLPARK OF 600,600,000, SO. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE INDICATED AND WHICH STAFF HAS ACCEPTED IN THE APPROVAL THAT YOU GUYS WERE SUBSIDIZED. 
          UM, A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE I'M ASSUMING IT WOULD BE MORE OR LESS WHATEVER THE DOWN PAYMENT OR CLOSE OR 10,000 PER EACH OF THE FOUR HOMES, REALLY LOOKING FOR SOME GUIDANCE FROM STAFF ON THAT. 
          UM, UH, WE'RE HAPPY TO BE PARTICIPATING IN THIS PROGRAM. 
          I THINK THERE'S BEEN A PRECEDENT SET AHEAD OF US, UH, WITH ANOTHER DEVELOPER THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH THOSE DETAILS RIGHT NOW. 
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UM, AND, UM, OTHER THAN MAKING THE ECONOMIC COMMITMENT, UM, FRANKLY, I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT HE GETS, UM, ALL DOUBT AND EXACTLY WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. 
          AND, UH, WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS CONVERSATION AS WELL. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION, UM, ACTUALLY A COUPLE OF, CAUSE SHE BROUGHT UP SOME GOOD POINTS, UM, BEING THAT I AM IN THE INDUSTRY OF REAL ESTATE. 
          SO WOULD THE HOA BE, WHAT WOULD THAT BE? DO YOU ALREADY HAVE A PLAN FOR WHAT THAT AMOUNT WOULD BE MONTHLY? I COMPARE IT TO SIMILAR PROJECTS THAT WE'VE CONSTRUCTED. 
          I WOULD ESTIMATE TO BE ABOUT $200 A MONTH. 
          WE'LL BUILD THAT. 
          I'D PROBABLY START A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN NO, THAT'S, THAT'S ACTUALLY VERY LOW BECAUSE YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE AN ELABORATE LANDSCAPING AND, UM, IF IT IS FOR, FOR LOW INCOME, THEN THAT WOULD, UM, IF YOU GIVE A HIGH HOA, THEN YOU KNOW, THAT $400 HOA FEE, YOU KNOW, THEN THEY CAN BUY A HOUSE FOR 800,000 INSTEAD OF SIX WITH THAT HIGH HOA. 
          SO THAT'S ONE OF MY QUESTIONS. 
          THAT'D BE A VERY REASONABLE HOA. 
          AND THEN IF YOU WERE, WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE FINANCING, ONE THING THAT I'VE SEEN IN THE MARKET LATELY IS THE PEOPLE WHO NEED DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE AND THERE ARE DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS UP THERE. 
          THEY BASICALLY DON'T HAVE A CHANCE IN HELL TO GET APPROVED. 
          THEY, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY WITH $400,000 DOWN IS GOING TO BEAT THEM ALL DAY LONG. 
          SO THAT BEING SAID, IF THAT WAS MAYBE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE MARKETED TO PEOPLE WHO ARE RE ARE LOOKING TO APPLY FOR DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE, THAT THEY WOULD HAVE A CHANCE AT GETTING THE HOMES, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING, HMM. 
          THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          AND I THINK THE DISTINCTION TOO IS IF YOU WERE SELLING, UH, MY WIFE'S A REALTOR AND SHE'S SELLING ONE HOUSE OR TRYING TO BUY A HOUSE ALL DAY LONG, IT'S ALL CASH BUYER. 
          REPEAT US OUT AS A HOME GOLDER. 
          UH, WE GENERATE AN INTEREST LIST AND THEN WE PRE-QUALIFY PUPIL. 
          SO, UM, WE'RE NOT REALLY PEOPLE AREN'T COMPETING, HEAD-TO-HEAD LIKE THAT, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE 39 HOMES TO SELL. 
          SO WE, UH, WE, UM, IT'S RARE THAT WE SEE AN ALL CASH BUYER. 
          UH, TYPICALLY WHEN WE SEE THAT THAT'S LIKE A RED FLAG THAT IT'S GOING TO BE AN INVESTOR. 
          SO WE, WE ARE, UM, WE'VE GOT A NUMBER OF 'EM, WE'RE JUST COMPANIES. 
          WE WORK WITH THAT, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ALWAYS, I'LL FIND PEOPLE, SOME OF OUR BUYERS ARE GIVING LOANS. 
          UM, I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY PRETTY ONE OF THEIR, IN THE DETAILS MORE. 
          I THINK IT'S SUCH A PRETTY INTERESTING PROGRAM, UM, BECAUSE ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS USUALLY THERE'S A DEED RESTRICTION AND THEY, UM, PEOPLE THAT, UM, GET INTO AFFORDABLE HOUSING, LOSE THE ABILITY TO HAVE MEANINGFUL APPRECIATION OF THEIR HOMES. 
          AND I THINK THIS IS A PRETTY INNOVATIVE PROGRAM BECAUSE YOU'RE KIND OF ONLY GETTING THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS WHERE PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVE GOOD INCOME AND HAVE A GOOD, UH, ARE EMPLOYED, HAVE A GOOD JOB. 
          UM, BUT THEY JUST DON'T HAVE THE DOWN PAYMENT FOR WHATEVER REASON. 
          UM, AND OTHERWISE WE QUALIFY TO BUY THE HOME. 
          UM, AND THEN THEY'RE ABLE TO GET THE APPRECIATION. 
          SO GREAT. 
          WE'RE INTERESTED IN LEARNING MORE TOO, BUT IT'S PRETTY INTERESTING. 
          DEFINITELY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE, YEAH, I, I HAD SOME QUESTIONS. 
          THIS IS NOT AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT, IS THAT I DIDN'T THINK SO. 
          I MEAN, BASED UPON CURRENT INTEREST RATES, IF, UNLESS YOU HAVE LIKE MAYBE WHAT ONE 20 DOWN FOR $600,000 CONDO, YOU'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE AN EXCESS OF SIX FIGURES IN ORDER TO QUALIFY FOR A LOAN FOR A PROPERTY SUCH AS THIS. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, I, I DON'T, I THINK IT'S A GOOD POINT. 
          AND I, AND I HEARD, I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS THAT WORK IN REAL ESTATE AND I I'VE DONE A LOT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UH, IN MY CAREER. 
          AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PROGRAMS THAT CAN BE MATCHED UP WITH THINGS LIKE WHAT THE CITY IS TRYING TO DO TO BE INNOVATIVE, COME OUT LIKE THE FEDERAL HOME LOAN BANK OR OTHER GRANTS. 
          SO YOU CAN START TO PUT TOGETHER A STACK OF AFFORDABLE, UH, HOME OWNERSHIP, INCENTIVES, AND SUBSIDIES THAT MIGHT MAKE THAT POSSIBLE. 
          ALSO REALIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, UNDER MODERATE NOW MODERATE IS 80 TO 120% OF AREA MEDIAN, MEDIAN INCOME. 
          SO IN THE COUNTY OF LA AND WE DON'T REALLY KNOW THE DETAILS OF WHAT THE CITY HAS SET UP FOR HOW THEY WANT TO IMPLEMENT THESE PROGRAMS. SO I COULD BE SAYING SOMETHING THAT'S NOT CORRECT, BUT IF IT DOES ALLOW MODERATE THAT DOES IT GET INTO, YOU KNOW, FOUR AND FIVE PERSON HOUSEHOLDS THAT COULD BE MAKING OVER A HUNDRED SCHOLARS. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S UH, WHEN YOU GET INTO THE HOME OWNERSHIP REALM FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, IT'S, IT TENDS TO BE SORT OF, YOU KNOW, ONE PERSON WITH A GOOD JOB, COUPLE PEOPLE WITH, YOU KNOW, SORT OF MIDDLE-INCOME JOBS IS THE TYPICAL BUYER BECAUSE THEY DO NEED TO BE RIGHT AT QUALIFIED AND READY TO GO. 
          SO THESE KINDS OF ADDITIONAL MONIES ARE VERY VALUABLE EITHER FOR DOWN PAYMENT OR CLOSING COSTS, OR ALSO INCREASING INTEREST RATE ENVIRONMENT FOR RATE BY DOWNS, WHICH IS ACTUALLY A REALLY GOOD USE OF THE MONEY. 
          IT WAS A LOT FARTHER THAN GIVING JUST THE CASH INTO THE DEAL. 
          SO, BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE ONTO SOMETHING WHICH IS A GOOD POINT AND THERE'S A LOT OF WAYS TO ATTACK IT. 
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I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO HELP W OR, OR BUYERS SO WILL CREATIVITY IN OUR NETWORK TO TRY TO LEVERAGE WHAT THE CITY'S DOING, SORT OF AS A COROLLARY TO THAT, WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, FOUR AND FIVE MEMBER HOUSEHOLDS, YOU KNOW, SO YOU'RE PULLING INCOME SO YOU CAN AFFORD SOMETHING. 
          MY CONCERN IS WE HAVE VERY LIMITED PARKING, UH, IN, IN THAT COMPLEX, YOUR YOU'RE TWO FOR A UNIT AND YOU HAVE EIGHT GUEST PARKING SPACES. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I MEAN, THIS IS JUST MY OPINION, BUT I'M TELLING YOU IF I LIVED ON VAN HORN AND, AND I KNEW THAT THAT WAS THE AFFORDABILITY CALCULUS, I'D BE SCARED TO DEATH. 
          CAN I CLARIFY, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT. 
          I THINK I KNOW, I UNDERSTAND. 
          YOU'RE NOT. 
          AND THAT STEADY EXAMPLE WASN'T AFFORDABLE AT NIGHT, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. 
          I JUST DIDN'T KNOW. 
          UH, I THINK MANY PEOPLE HAVE LET PUT LESS THAN 20% DOWN. 
          UM, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT TO QUALIFY. 
          I DON'T HAVE IT IN MY HEAD WITHOUT YOU NEED TO CALL. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I MEAN, I JUST DID THE MATH. 
          I I'VE, I UNDERSTAND WHERE THE MORTGAGE RATES ARE. 
          YOU KNOW, I'M AN ATTORNEY. 
          I DEAL WITH REAL ESTATE ALL THE TIME. 
          REALISTICALLY, IF WE'RE TALKING TO SOMEBODY WHO HAS LOW, A LOW DOWN PAYMENT, THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE $150,000 A YEAR OR SOMETHING TO AFFORD THAT, THAT KIND OF A PROPERTY. 
          NO, THEY WON'T, I'M, I'M, I'M, I'M DUE MORTGAGE FOR 20 YEARS. 
          THEY WON'T NEED 150,000. 
          IF THE RATES KEEP GOING UP, THEY MIGHT, AT THE CURRENT AVERAGE RATE, I BELIEVE IS ABOUT 4.7, 8%. 
          AND SO AT THAT RATE, YOU WOULD HAVE TO, IN ORDER TO COMFORTABLY AFFORD THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE PROBABLY TALKING ABOUT 150 HOUSEHOLD INCOME. 
          AGAIN, THIS IS BESIDE THE POINT, UM, SORT OF, SORT OF NEXT QUESTION IS, UH, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THE DESIRE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, MAXIMIZE YOUR PROFITS. 
          I GET IT. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT EVERY DEVELOPER COMES IN HERE WITH IS THEY WANT TO MAXIMIZE THEIR PROFITS BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT CORPORATIONS DO. 
          WHAT, WHAT MY CONCERN IS IS I LOOK AT THIS AS AN AREA THAT IS ENTIRELY SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCES. 
          THERE THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO EXCEPTION TO THAT RULE IN THIS AREA. 
          THERE'S NO APARTMENT BUILDING, THERE'S NOTHING NEARBY. 
          I KNOW THIS AREA, LIKE THE BACK OF MY HAND, THERE WAS NOTHING LIKE THAT. 
          THIS WOULD BE A SUBSTANTIAL DEVIATION FROM THAT. 
          AND YOU HAVE YOUR YOU'RE ON VAN HORN, YOU LIVE ON THAT STREET AND THEN ACROSS THE STREET, YOU HAVE FARMHOUSES. 
          UH, AND SO I DON'T REALLY SEE HOW THAT IS CONTINUOUS WITH THE COMMUNITY. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE SEEN PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT IN FRONT OF US THAT HAVE BEEN VERY THOUGHTFUL IN THIS REGARD WHERE THEY'RE, WHERE THEY'RE GIVING US SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES THAT ARE RIGHT NEXT TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES, AND THEN HAVING A TRANSITION INTO THE COMP INTO THE NEW COMPLEX ITSELF. 
          AND THIS DOESN'T DO THAT. 
          AND I, I WONDER WHETHER OR NOT YOU GUYS HAD CONSIDERED SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES WHERE, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND ROSETTE IS A BUSY STREET. 
          I MEAN, JUST BECAUSE OF EDGEWOOD AND, AND OBVIOUSLY, UH, WHAT'S COMING, UH, UNIFIED, UM, DISTRICT OFFICES AND ORANGE WOOD AND THE, AND THE HOSPITAL AND EVERYTHING THAT'S DOWN THE STREET. 
          WHAT W WHAT, WHAT I WOULD, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES ON VAN HORN. 
          AND THEN YOU COULD CERTAINLY DO THE, THE, THE FARMHOUSE STYLE ON MERCEDES BECAUSE MERCEDES, A BUSY STREET, YOU KNOW, I, I, AND THAT WOULD BE A NATURAL TRANSITION. 
          I DID. 
          HAVE YOU GUYS THOUGHT OF THAT AT ALL? OH, WE ACTUALLY DID. 
          UH, AND I MET EXTENSIVELY WITH THE NEIGHBORS, UH, REGARDING THAT, UM, IN ORDER TO GET, UM, AGAIN, THIS IS NOT YOUR PROBLEM, IT'S OUR PROBLEM, BUT IN ORDER TO GET, UM, UH, A, UM, BASE LEVEL, ADEQUATE LEVEL OF RETURN, OR TO HAVE A PROJECT THAT WOULD MAKE ANY SENSE, WE WOULD LOOK AT THREE STORY ON THE INTERIOR AND SINGLE FAMILY ON THE EXTERIOR. 
          AND, UM, UH, THROUGH MY MEDIA, THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING. 
          IT'S A RISKY MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORS. 
          UM, THEY ACTUALLY PREFER TO HAVE, UH, ALL THE TWO STORY TOWN HOMES. 
          AND, UM, SO WE DID, THAT WAS ACTUALLY ONE OF OUR FIRST SITE PLANS HAD THREE STORY TOWN HOMES IN THE MIDDLE, AND THEN, UH, DETACHED HOMES ALONG BEN HORN. 
          UH, WHAT WE DID DO THOUGH, IS WE HAVE, I, I THINK OUR, OUR SETBACK ON VAN HORN IS ENHANCED. 
          I BELIEVE BY FIVE OR 10 FEET, I BELIEVE WE PULLED OFF OF IT BEYOND WHAT THE CODE WOULD HAVE REQUIRED, OR WE'RE PROVIDING AN ENHANCED INTERIOR PARKWAY. 
          SO WE HAVE A 15 FOOT SETBACK FROM OUR PROPERTY LINE. 
          BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN FOR THE CITY ORDINANCES, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO WORK WITH THE CITY AND TAKE A MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITY FOR ARC WAYS. 
          AND THEN THERE'S GOING TO BE OUR PROPERTY LINE THEN ARC WAY, AND THEN THE SIDEWALK. 
          SO IT HAS AN ENHANCED SORT OF SETBACK FROM THE, FROM THE, UH, OR A 
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TRANSITION FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          IT'S NOT 25. 
          NO, IT'S NOT. 
          AND THOSE, THOSE UNITS HAVE LARGE FRONT AVID AREAS THAT ARE YARDS. 
          I, YOU KNOW, UM, JUST TO ADD TO WHAT, WHAT METHOD I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE REALITY IS THAT THERE'S ALSO LAND SELLERS AND LAND SELLERS HAVE CERTAINLY REALLY TO MAKE A DEAL. 
          WE DIDN'T TEAR THE BUILDING DOWN, RIGHT. 
          SO TO MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, BE ABLE TO USE A VACANT SITE AND MEET EXECUTIONS OF PEOPLE WERE BUYING LAND DRIVES, KIND OF LOTS OF WHAT WE WISH WE COULD CONTROL ALL THOSE ELEMENTS IN. 
          IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT YOU'VE BEEN YOU'RE MAXIMIZING ANYWAYS, THE NUMBER OF UNITS YOU'RE ABLE TO BUILD. 
          SO YOU'RE NOT MAKING THEM LOOK LIKE APARTMENT COMPLEXES AND THE LOT ITSELF, HAVING THOSE UNITS THERE WILL, YOU KNOW, GET RID OF AN EYESORE AND, YOU KNOW, IN ANY HOMELESSNESS THAT'S, WASN'T IT THAT WE'VE HEARD CONSISTENTLY FROM THE NEIGHBORS, IF THEY WANT SOMETHING DONE. 
          YES, EXACTLY. 
          SO IT'LL, IT'LL REMOVE A LOT OF SAFETY ISSUES THAT THERE ARE, AND YEAH, AND, AND I NOTICED AS IN DISTRICT ONE, SO ARE YOU OPEN TO ENSURING THAT I THINK I'M ON MARCET AVENUE CURRENTLY THERE'S NO, I DON'T. 
          I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S A MUCH LIGHT LIGHTING ON SET AVENUE, ESPECIALLY RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF THAT PROPERTY, IN FRONT OF WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO BE BUILDING YOUR NEW HOMES AND ON YOUR PLANS. 
          I DON'T SEE ANY LIGHTING GOING IN THERE. 
          I THINK ON L M L SEVEN SAYS CONCEPTUAL LANDSCAPE LIGHTING PLAN, THE SHOW AMR SAID, YES, THEY ACTUALLY DO SHOW IN THE CITY. 
          LIGHT STANDS TO, I THINK THERE'S A CONDITION FOR US TOO, TO PLACE IN SOME LIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          I ACTUALLY, I WALK, I WALKED JUST TO CLARIFY, WALK THAT AREA AND RESIDENTS DID NOT LIKE HOW IT WAS SO DARK. 
          SO I THINK AFTER THE BUILDINGS ARE BUILT, IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT LIGHTER COMING FROM, FROM THE HOUSE AND WHAT HAVE YOU. 
          BUT I DO WANT TO ADD ONS TO COMMISSIONER NICHOLAS. 
          UM, CONCERN IS THAT ON VAN HORN, WHAT HE'S STATING IS THAT IT'S SINGLE RESIDENTIAL AND A LOT OF TIME THEY DO HAVE A DRIVEWAY, WHICH GIVES YOU AN ADDITIONAL ONE OR TWO PARKING SPACE. 
          NORMALLY TWO, THEY HAVE A TWO CAR GARAGE, BUT IN OUR ONE ZONING, NORMALLY YOU BUILT AFTER THREE OR FOUR BEAUTIFUL BEDROOM, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A THREE CAR GARAGE, OR SO I FORGOT HOW MANY, IT WAS, ALL THAT NUMBER. 
          HOWEVER, WITH THIS, UH, THESE UNITS, UM, THEY'RE ALL THREE BEDROOMS OR FOUR BEDROOMS, BUT THE GARAGE SIZE WE MADE JUST TO, AS A DEVELOPER, WE CAN SEE AS A PLANNING COMMISSIONERS THAT, THAT WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD, ESPECIALLY ON VAN HORN, IT'S THE ADDITIONS OF THE RE THE, FROM, FROM 18 OR FROM LESS THAN 18 UNITS TO 40 UNITS, THAT'S GOING TO BE HUGE IMPACT IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA. 
          AND I WAS WONDERING IF YOU HAVE ANY, OR GIVE ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT, PERHAPS GIVE IT A THREE CAR GARAGE AND THEN BUILT UP THE FIRST, THE FIRST STORY WOULD BE THE GARAGES. 
          AND THEN THE SECOND WOULD BE THE LIVING ROOM. 
          UH, I'VE SEEN THIS BUILT A LOT AND THEN THE THIRD WOULD BE THE BEDROOMS. SO THIS WAY IT WON'T IMPACT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS MUCH. 
          I MEAN, YES, IT LOOKS REALLY NICE NOW, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 40 RESIDENTS COMING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THREE BEDROOM EACH IN, IF EACH HAS ONE CAR, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ENOUGH TO PARKING AND THEY WILL PARK IN THE STREET BECAUSE THERE'S A PUBLIC STREET. 
          SO I GUESS THE QUESTION COMES IN IS AFTER A YEAR OR TWO, AFTER IT'S BUILT THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD AREA, THEY MAY NOT THINK ABOUT IT NOW, BUT IT WILL. 
          I MEAN, THOSE ARE OPTIONS OR THINGS THAT AS A BUILDER YOU CAN ADDRESS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE GIVING US TWO TO TWO GARAGES WITH, WITH THE FACT THAT IF WE WERE TO KEEP THE SAME ZONE IN THAT GENERAL AREA, WHICH IT'S AN , THEY CAN POTENTIALLY HAVE THE DRIVEWAY CAN PARK TWO CARS. 
          THE GARAGE CAN PARK TWO TO THREE THAT'S, FIVE CARS PER UNIT, POTENTIALLY, I'M JUST SAYING, AND THEN THEY HAVE, IF EXTRA WILL FLOW INTO THE STREET, THEN THEY CAN PARK IN THE STREET. 
          BUT WHEN WE'RE BUILDING 40 UNIT THAT IS COMPACT AND THIS, IN THIS WAY, THERE'S NO DRIVEWAY FOR THEM TO PARK ON. 
          THEY REALLY ONLY HAVE THE GARAGE AND THE EXTRA SIX OR EIGHT 
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EXTRA GUEST PARKING THAT WE HAVE. 
          SO HAVE YOU GIVE US SOME THOUGHT HOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE? I MEAN, I LOVE THE DEVELOPMENT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME ADDRESS THE PARKING ISSUES, THAT DISTRICT ONE AND DISTRICT TWO HAD A HUGE IMPACT AND ALWAYS ON PARKING. 
          SO, UM, PARKING, UH, IS HIGHLY DEBATED, I THINK, ON EVERY PROJECT I'VE EVER BEEN INVOLVED IN. 
          AND, UM, UH, SO THE NEIGHBORS ON VAN HORN ARE, UH, NOT UNIQUE THERE EITHER. 
          THEY W THAT'S ONE THING THAT WE'VE TAUGHT EXTENSIVELY ABOUT. 
          AND, UM, SO, UH, A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WE DID, UH, WE DESIGNED THE PROJECT INTENTIONALLY NOT TO HAVE GARAGES FACING VAN HORN SO THAT PEOPLE WERE NOT INCLINED TO DRIVE DOWN THERE AND THEN ENTER, THEY REALLY DO NOT WANT A TRAFFIC OR PARKING ON THEIR STREET. 
          SO, UM, WE DON'T HAVE AN ACCURATE, WE DON'T HAVE AN ACCESS ROAD ON VAN HORN. 
          WE DON'T HAVE ROGERS FACING IT. 
          UM, I'VE DONE SOME RESEARCH ON THEIR BEHALF WITH, UH, STAFF ABOUT, UM, UH, HAVING PERMIT PARKING ON THEIR STREET. 
          UM, AND I TOLD THEM I WOULD SUPPORT THEM AND HELP THEM DOING THAT IF THAT'S WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO. 
          UM, I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE BIT, WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT ODD NOT TO ALLOW OTHER RESIDENTS TO PARK ON VAN HORN, BUT THERE'S, THERE IS PARKING LOT AND SAID, UM, OUR HOME BUYERS ARE, WE'RE NOT ANTICIPATING. 
          I THINK I DON'T WANT A TENANCY SAMPLE TO BE MISCONSTRUED. 
          WE DO NOT ANTICIPATE MULTIPLE FAMILIES OR LARGE HOUSEHOLDS BUYING THESE HOMES. 
          THESE HOMES ARE INTENDED FOR FIRST-TIME HOME BUYERS AND THEY'RE INTENDED FOR YOUNG FAMILIES. 
          WE DON'T EXPECT THERE TO BE, AND WE'VE GOT ACTIVELY, ACTIVELY SELLING PROJECTS THAT ARE VERY SIMILAR RIGHT NOW. 
          AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE SEEING. 
          WE DO NOT SEE TEENAGE AGE CHILDREN THAT ARE DRIVING, LIVING IN THESE HOMES. 
          UM, WE TYPICALLY SEE THE PARENTS HAVE TWO CARS AND, YOU KNOW, IF THEY HAD, WE DON'T SEE THEM HAVING, I THINK IT'S VERY ATYPICAL FOR SOMEONE THAT'S LIVING HERE TO HAVE THREE CARS, OR IF THEY CAME FROM SOMEWHERE THREE CARS, THEY TYPICALLY DON'T SHOW UP WITH THEM, BUT THOSE KIDS WILL GROW UP AND THEY WILL DRIVE JUST LIKE MY BROTHER'S KIDS. 
          THERE WERE THREE OF THEM AND NOW THEY'RE ALL DRIVING AND THEY SEE, I HAVE TWO AREAS FOR A PARK IN THERE EACH AROUND 9,000 SQUARE FEET, EACH THAT CORRECT GRASSY AREAS IN THERE FOR EACH AROUND 9,000 SQUARE FEET. 
          IS IT TOTAL OKAY. 
          AN 11,000 SQUARE FEET, PRIVATE OPEN SPACE, THERE ARE ABOUT 4,500 EACH. 
          IS THERE ANY AREA OF THOSE THAT COULD BE CONVERTED TO PARKING? WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN, UH, OUR, UH, UH, OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS PER THE UNDERLYING ZONING, AS WELL AS OUR SPECIFIC PLANNER POSTPONING. 
          SO UNFORTUNATELY I THINK THAT REALLY, THE BUYERS REALLY WANT THE OPEN SPACE AMENITIES, THE COMMUNITY ALONG THE STREET THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO, WANTS TO MINIMIZE SORT OF THE, UH, THE, THE VEHICULAR ACCESS. 
          AND SO WE TRIED TO LISTEN TO THOSE SOURCES, UM, YOU KNOW, AND WE DID HAVE PEOPLE COME FROM ACROSS WHERE SAID TO ONE PERSON COME FROM MARK SHOP AND EXPRESS SUPPORT. 
          SO, OH, SO SUPPORT LETTERS FROM THE AVANT VAN HORN AS WELL, PROVIDED TO STAFF, LIKE SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT COMMISSIONER HANG WHEN SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE THREE CAR GARAGE, LIKE THE TANDEM ONES. 
          I MEAN, NOT TO, I MEAN, OUR EXPERIENCE IS THAT PEOPLE WANT A HOUSE TO LIVE IN, UH, NOT A HOUSE TO PARK IN. 
          AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO, THAT'S A TRADE-OFF THAT YOU HAVE TO MAKE. 
          AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO ADD, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M NOT GONNA SAY I'VE NEVER SEEN IT. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE EVER, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER EVER SEEING A TOWNHOME PROJECT WITH THREE CAR GARAGE. 
          I THINK THAT WOULD BE HIGHLY UNUSUAL. 
          UM, AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT LIMITED LIVING SPACE THAT HAS BEEN DONE. 
          LET, JUST ASSUMING THAT IF THE COMMISSIONER HERE, UM, WELL ARE WILLING TO HELP YOU AND YOU WERE WILLING TO HELP US WITH THE COMMUNITY, I MEAN, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PROJECT. 
          DON'T GET ME WRONG. 
          THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL PROJECT, BUT THERE ARE SOME CONCERN REGARDING PARKING ISSUES AND THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING HERE AND HOW IT'S IMPACTING THE NEIGHBORHOOD AROUND THAT AREA. 
          SO I'VE SEEN PROJECT HERE NORTHERN, NORTHERN CALIFORNIA, OR EVEN SANTA ANA. 
          WHAT HAVE YOU? THEY HAD THE FIRST STORIES AS A PARKING, THE SECOND AT THE LIVING ROOM AND KITCHEN AND THE THIRD AS A BEDROOM. 
          IF WE WERE TO X, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE HEIGHT LIMIT MIGHT BE AN ISSUE FOR YOU GUYS. 
          IF WE WERE TO INCREASE IT TO 35 FEET, THAT'S JUST, I'M NOT SURE. 
          I'M JUST ASSUMING, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO ENTERTAIN THAT, TO GIVE US MORE PARKING? OTHERWISE YOUR TOYS ARE TWO REDUCES THE SIZES OF THE UNITS, POTENTIALLY. 
          IT'S TWO LESS NUMBER THAN 39 DIFFICULTY TO JUST STAND UP HERE AND SAY, WE WOULD JUST, UH, JUST TO DECIDE RIGHT HERE TO JUST TEAR UP, UH, TWO YEARS OF WORK OVER WITH A NEW PRODUCT, IS THAT A LOT, WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND I THINK WE'VE REACHED A CONSENSUS THAT THEY, THAT THEY'RE HAPPY WITH. 
          UM, I THINK I'VE DONE A VERY GOOD JOB OF LISTENING AND WORKING WITH THEM. 
          UM, 
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THE PARKING THAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS NOT, IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S CODE FOR, UH, THIS TYPE OF DENSITY. 
          SO WE'RE NOT TRYING TO, AND I BELIEVE IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UM, UH, MERITAGE, CAMERON 66, RECOVERING 56 PROJECTS THAT THEY JUST BUILT. 
          I THINK THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY HAVE LESS PARKING THAN WE DO IF I REMEMBER. 
          YES. 
          AND THEY HAVE COME AND TELL US THAT THERE'S PARKING ISSUES ALREADY. 
          SO THEY'RE ALSO IN THE DOWNTOWN PLAN, WHICH I BELIEVED DID NOT REQUIRE GUEST PARKING, CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO COMES FROM HOW MANY PARKINSON'S ARE THERE, HOW MANY, TWO CAR GARAGES ARE THERE? THEY ALL HAVE TWO CARS GARAGES, 78, 39 OF THEM EACH HAS TO CONQUER. 
          IS THERE ANY WAY YOU CAN ADD SOME MORE PARKING? UM, I THINK WE'VE LOOKED AT IT PRETTY CLOSELY OR, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE SITE IS, THE BARBECUE GEOMETRY OF THE SITE BEING A TRIANGLE. 
          SO SURPRISINGLY DIFFICULT TO SQUEEZE ADDITIONAL ELEMENTS IN THERE. 
          I THINK ALSO JUST WANT TO MENTION THAT THESE ARE SORT OF, EVEN THOUGH THEY COST WHAT THEY COST, THIS IS LIKE AN ENTRY LEVEL AUDIT PEOPLE AGE IN PLACE. 
          THEY MOVE UP TO DIFFERENT PATIENTS. 
          SO I THINK AS MATT SAID, THIS IS INTENDED TO BE UNCOUPLES MAYBE WITH FAMILIES YOU DON'T WANT TO, IT'S NOT MULTI-GENERATIONAL FAMILIES. 
          IT'S NOT REALLY, IT'S NOT REALLY FIGURED THAT WAY TO BE ABLE TO HAVE AN OLDER ADULT LIVING DOWN SYNDROME. 
          AND SO WE INTEND FOR IT REALLY, AS IT SAYS, IT'S A STARTER HOME THAT WOULD MOVE UP TO A LARGE PERSONAL HOME AS THEY HAVE ADDITIONAL NEEDS, ADDITIONAL PARKING OR ADDITIONAL AMENITIES OR PARKING LOTS. 
          OR I AGREE WITH THAT, BUT I HAVE A QUESTION, UM, WHERE YOUR BARBECUES APP, CAN YOU SHOW THEM UP? I FOUND THE WEIGHT SO YOU CAN HAVE MORE PARKING. 
          SEE, SO WHERE YOUR BARBECUE IS AT ON THE YEAH, RIGHT THERE, WHERE THE ARROWS APP, YOU CAN MOVE DOWN MORE TOWARDS THE WALL AREA, BY THE WAY, BY ONE ON THE WALNUT CREEK WASH AND ADD AT LEAST THREE MORE PARKING SPOTS RIGHT THERE. 
          AND I THINK THE CHALLENGE BECOMES THE OPEN SPACE AND THERE'S A CODE REQUIREMENT OR A CERTAIN RECTANGLE SIZE BUILT IN SPACE THAT IS USABLE OPEN SPACE. 
          SO I THINK WE CAN GIVE YOU A, CAN THEY GET A VARIANCE FOR THAT? SORRY. 
          IS THERE A PLAN CURRENTLY ASKING FOR A VARIANCE ON OPEN SPACE SOUNDS THEY'RE APPLYING FOR A SPECIFIC PLAN SO THEY CAN TAILOR THEIR SPECIFIC PLAN TO YEAH. 
          SO YOU COULD DEVIATE ACCORDING TO CITY STAFF. 
          SO ARE YOU OPEN WHICH YOU GO TO THE CITY CONCERT, YOU COULD SAY THE OPPOSITE, BUT THIS IS NOT GOING TO COST YOU A LOT BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT CHANGING ANY ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN. 
          ALL YOU'RE DOING IS MOVING THIS A LITTLE BIT, THIS LITTLE SQUARE TO SQUARE AGAINST YOUR METAL GATE AND OPENING UP SOME MORE SPOTS RIGHT THERE, THREE TO FOUR SPOTS, MORE. 
          SO BASICALLY THE THREE SPOTS THAT ARE TO THE NEXT EVENT, YOU WILL LOSE. 
          HE, DOESN'T NOTHING DETERIORATES THE NEIGHBORHOOD MORE THAN A BUNCH OF CARS PARKED ON THE STREET. 
          I THINK THEY'RE RIGHT HERE. 
          AND THEN NOW YOU HAVE MORE SPOTS. 
          EVERYTHING COMES WITH A TRADE-OFF. 
          SO, UH, AS A COMMUNITY DECIDE, YOU DO NEED A LITTLE GREEN JUST FOR THE DOGS TO WALK. 
          WELL, IT'S EASIER TO GIVE GREEN, ARE THEY, I MEAN, HE, WE EITHER GIVE HIM GREEN OR WE GIVE HIM PARKING. 
          SO, BUT THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS THAT THE DEVELOPER CAN GO THROUGH UP BASICALLY, SO THAT YOU CAN PARK YOUR GARAGE ON THE FIRST FLOOR. 
          UM, PUTTING ASIDE COMPLETELY REDOING ALL OF THE ARCHITECTURE. 
          UH, UH, I JUST, IT'S JUST, I MEAN, I'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND THE CONSENSUS WAS TWO STORIES AT THREE. 
          SO NOW FOR ME TO GO BACK INTO THEIR HOMES AND SAY, SORRY, WE'RE NOW GOING TO, WE NEED TO PARK LIKE THIS SAY, SO, I MEAN, FOR ME, UH, WE ALL HAVE OUR OWN OPINIONS. 
          IF I WAS GOING TO LIVE HERE, I WOULD PREFER TO HAVE THE OPEN SPACE AND NOT DESIGN A PROJECT AROUND PARKING WE'RE, IT'S A TRADE-OFF AND WE'RE TRYING TO BALANCE, UH, THE CITIES, EVEN THOUGH WE DO HAVE A SPECIFIC PLAN, I BELIEVE WE'RE MEETING THAT, UM, THE, UH, MEDIUM DENSITIES REQUIREMENTS FOR OPEN SPACE AND WE'RE MEETING THE MEDIUM DENSITIES REQUIREMENTS FOR PARKING. 
          SO WE'RE REALLY FOLLOWING THE CITY'S LEAD YOUR OWN. 
          WHAT STAFF HAS DECIDED, UM, IS THE APPROPRIATE BALANCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO. 
          I REALLY WOULD HATE TO DESIGN A PROJECT BASED ON PARKING. 
          I THINK IT'S GONNA, UM, UH, IT'S GONNA LIVE AT THE STREET APPEAL AND IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN A WORLD WHERE, UH, I'LL BE, TRANSPORTATION HAS BEEN REALLY PUSHED. 
          WE'VE GOT A BUS STATION RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER FROM US, UM, RIGHT ACROSS, UH, ORANGE. 
          UM, 
          [02:20:01]
SO TO DESIGN A PROJECT IS BASED ON FITTING IN AS MANY CARS AS WE CAN ON THE SITE. 
          UM, MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION IS THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT APPROACH. 
          I HAVING OPEN SPACE, HAVING MORE LIVABLE AREA, BEING AFRAID OF IT THAT I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. 
          UM, YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU MENTIONED PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. 
          WHAT, UH, WHAT INCENTIVES HAVE YOU SEEN WITH REGARD TO ANY OF YOUR DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE CAUSED FUTURE RESIDENTS TO ADOPT PUBLIC TRANSIT? I'M NOT SURE WHAT IS CENTERED. 
          SO, SO, OKAY. 
          THIS IS, THIS IS A BEDROOM COMMUNITY THAT THIS IS BEING PROPOSED TO BE PUT IN. 
          RIGHT? SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS WHAT INCENTIVES DO YOU THINK WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO GET PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE TO ADOPT PUBLIC TRANSIT RATHER THAN THE CAR CULTURE THAT IS LOS ANGELES COUNTY? WELL, I MEAN, HAVING A EFFECT TO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION IS GOING TO IS THE FIRST KEY. 
          UM, WHAT I MIGHT, WHAT INCENTIVES HAVE I SEEN, UM, THE LARGER ISSUE THAN JUST A SINGLE DEVELOPMENT. 
          I KNEW THAT CERTAINLY THIS PLANNING COMMISSION HAS SEEN COMPLETE STREETS PLANS THAT THE STATE IS NOW REQUIRING TO ENCOURAGE LAST MILE CONNECTION. 
          WE CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND MODE SPLITS, CHANGING WITH REGARDS TO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LIFT OTHER SORTS OF, UH, SHORT DISTANCE TRAVELS. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THE CITY'S ADOPTED ANYTHING ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, BURDEN AND ALL THOSE KINDS OF SCOOTER THINGS. 
          SO IT'S A MENTALITY SHIFT AS WELL AS THE INFRASTRUCTURAL SHIFT. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S EARLY DAYS, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE MAY BE DIRECT INCENTIVES, BUT THE LARGER CONTEXT IS JUST, UM, I'M SORRY, NOT TO NOT INTERRUPT WHAT I'M TRYING TO, WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT IS YOU GUYS HAVE DONE MORE THAN ONE DEVELOPMENT. 
          THIS ISN'T YOUR FIRST YEAR. 
          WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT IS WITH REGARD TO A DEVELOPMENT THAT IS LIKE THIS IN THE MIDDLE OF SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES. 
          WHAT IS, HAVE YOU SEEN ANY, ANY SUCCESS STORIES ON THAT? BECAUSE FRANKLY I'D, I'D LIKE TO KNOW IT'S EARLY DAYS, WE WE'VE HAD PROJECTS WHERE GIVEN THE NEW STATE, UH, MOVE TOWARDS MEASURING VEHICLE MEAL, AS IT'S TRAVELED VERSUS LEVEL OF SERVICE OR INTERSECTIONS AT SOME, SOME JURISDICTIONS HAVE USED THINGS LIKE, UH, COURAGING, UH, YOU KNOW, A SCHOOL POOL PROGRAM AT THE HOA LEVEL OR OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          IT'S TOO EARLY TO KNOW HOW THE OUTCOME OF THOSE THINGS WILL BE AS THAT'S A WHOLE NEW PROGRAM. 
          SOME PEOPLE HAVE USED OUR FINANCIAL PLANS. 
          I CAN TELL YOU THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF RESEARCH ABOUT DISCOURAGING, UH, YOU KNOW, ENCOURAGING TRANSIT USE BY LIMITING PARKING. 
          SO PROVIDING A PARKING SUPPLY IS NOT REALLY THE LONG-TERM SOLUTION TO, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT POSITIVE OUTCOME OF BEING ABLE TO HAVE MULTIPLE DATES. 
          SO I HOPE THAT ADDRESSES IT. 
          IT'S NOTHING DIFFERENT. 
          OKAY. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          SO YOU, YOU MENTIONED LIKE UBER AND LYFT FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT, WHAT I AM CURIOUS ABOUT, JUST, YOU KNOW, CAUSE IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE CITY COUNCIL IS LOOKING INTO ADOPTING THAT KIND OF POINT TO POINT, UM, AS, AS IT'S, AS IT'S TRANSIT METHOD. 
          UM, SO WHAT IS IT, UM, I'M, I'M CONCERNED IF, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO PROMOTE, WE'RE TRYING TO GET PEOPLE OUT OF CAR CULTURE. 
          UM, I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT LIKE THE FLOW OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY, HOW THAT WOULD, HOW THAT WOULD WORK IN TERMS OF WHERE PEOPLE COULD BE PICKED UP OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS, I MEAN, IF YOU, IF YOU WANT, AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CITY COUNCIL SEEMS TO BE PREDISPOSED TO DO. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S ULTIMATELY GOING TO HAPPEN. 
          UM, BUT YOU KNOW, IS, IS THERE LIKE A DESIGNATED DROP-OFF PICKUP POINT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT ONSITE SO THAT PEOPLE AREN'T, UH, ASSUMING THAT ALL THE PARKING SPACES ARE TAKEN? I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THEY WOULD BASICALLY IDLE IN, IN FRONT OF A GARAGE UNTIL THE RIDER CAME OUT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IF UBER DRIVERS WERE LIKE THE ONES THAT PICKED ME UP, THEY LET IT STAY FOR 30 SECONDS. 
          THERE'S ALSO THAT THE CENTRALIZED MAILBOXES ARE GOING TO BE ON THE MAIN ENTRY. 
          THERE THERE'S A, THERE'S A POINT TO IT. 
          UH, AND THAT'S A PLACE WHERE YOU SPS IS GOING TO, YOU KNOW, DELIVER MAIL. 
          THAT'S A PRETTY EASY PLACE TO SAY, HEY YOU'RE AND THEN YOU CAN MAKE THE LOOP BACK AROUND WITH THE INTERIOR INCIDENT AGAIN. 
          NO, NO DEDICATED SPACE, BUT DEFINITELY PLENTY OF. 
          AND REMEMBER THAT THE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC STUDY, THAT NUMBER OF, YOU KNOW, AM PM TRIP TRIPS OUT OF HERE, IT'S PRETTY LOW. 
          SO THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A LOT OF TRAFFIC INTERNALLY. 
          SO ALMOST ANYWHERE FOR SOMEONE 
          [02:25:01]
COMMISSIONER VICE-CHAIR LEWIS THERE'S OH, SO A FOOTHILL TRANSIT, A BUS STOP, A BLOCK AWAY FROM THE SITE. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE GOTTEN THAT FROM MICRO TROBE MICRO HERE YET, BUT THAT'S THE NEW THING THAT METRO'S DOING TO HAVE BASICALLY WILDLIFE TRANSIT. 
          WE HAVE DIAL RIGHT HERE. 
          SO YEAH. 
          IT'S DIAL A RIDE FOR THE MASSES. 
          ANYONE. 
          YEAH. 
          GOT IT. 
          AND SO, SO HERE IN, IN PRESERVING GREEN SPACE, I THINK THERE'S STILL A WAY TO MOVE THE BARBECUERS BACK AGAINST OVER HERE AND PUT THE TABLES ON THE LEFT AND RIGHT SIDE OF THAT BARBECUE AREA, WHICH THEREFORE GIVES YOU MORE PARKING SPOTS WHILE ALSO PRESERVING THE DIAL A LITTLE GREEN SPACE. 
          THAT'S ALREADY THERE. 
          COMMISSIONER GUTIERREZ. 
          EVEN IF YOU MOVE THE BARBECUE, YOU PROBABLY GAINED ONE PARKING SPACE AT MOST. 
          NO, YOU COULD GAIN PAUL YOU 1, 2, 3, 4 ABOUT FOUR. 
          CAUSE YOU'RE MOVING THIS WHOLE AREA TO THE, TO THE AGAINST TOTAL GREEN SPACE IS ONLY 947 SQUARE FEET. 
          SO NO 9,000. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          SO, AND THEN ALSO, UM, SO ARE YOU OPEN TO PUTTING MORE LIGHTING IN BETWEEN THE MIDDLE BUILDINGS? I SEE. 
          THERE'S NOT MUCH IN THE MIDDLE. 
          I'M LOOKING AT THE LIGHT PLAN. 
          ARE YOU OPEN TO PUTTING MORE? I WAS A CALL AREA, PULSE AREA. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          WHAT'S IT CALLED ON THAT LANDSCAPE AND LIFE ALERT. 
          THEY SHOW THE LIGHTING. 
          THAT'S GOING TO ACTUALLY BE A FIXED TO THE BUILDING BESIDES THE POLE LIGHTING. 
           THE FOURPLEX SIX, FIVE. 
          THAT'S CORRECT IS RIGHT THERE. 
          THERE ARE, THERE'S A PHOTOMETRIC STUDY. 
          THAT'S DONE. 
          YOU DON'T NEED TO HAVE THE BALLERS CAUSE IT'S SO, UM,  SO YOU CAN'T TURN THEM OFF. 
          THEY GO ON CENTRALLY BY THE LIGHT INTO THAT EACH ONE. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE THEM OFF AND THE POLICE AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS CHASING SOMEONE. 
          SO IN THE MIDDLE AREA, I'M LOOKING AT YOUR LIGHT PLAN. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T, I, I SEE. 
          YEAH, I'M SURE YOUR PORCH LIGHTS ARE THAT'S IF THEY TURN THEM ON. 
          BUT THAT WAS MY POINT THAT THIS PLAN IS ONLY SHOWING LIGHTING. 
          THERE'S ALSO ADDITIONAL LIGHTING THOSE LIGHTS, EVEN IF THEY WERE AT YOUR DOOR. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          I DON'T SEE THAT HERE, BUT YEAH. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          I HAVE THE SAME QUESTION OF OUR PURCHASING DETAILS AND THAT'S GREAT. 
          AND THAT'S JUST US. 
          SO I KNOW THE RESIDENTS ARE VAN HORN WERE WORRIED, CONCERNED ABOUT IT BEING DARK IN STREET. 
          SO ARE YOU OPEN TO PUTTING MORE? UM, WHAT'S IT CALLED BOWLERS, BUT WHAT'S IT CALLED BOWLER BOWLER? I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE AN OBJECTION TO THAT. 
          I'VE HEARD THINGS NOT SPECIFIC TO VAN HORN, BUT I'VE HEARD THAT CUT BOTH WAYS WHERE WE'VE HAD PEOPLE COMPLAINING THAT A NEW PROJECT WAS GOING TO BRING TOO MUCH LIGHT. 
          SO I THINK IT'S A THERE'S LIGHTING EXPERTS THAT ANALYZE THAT AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO US. 
          UM, I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE AN OBJECTION OR REFERENCE EITHER WAY. 
          IT'S AN OBJECTIVE STANDARD AND I THINK THERE'S CERTAIN STANDARDS IN THE CITY STREETS AND THEN THERE'S STANDARDS AND THE BUILDING CODE ABOUT WHAT'S APPROPRIATE SAFETY. 
          THOSE ARE ALL FOLLOW. 
          UM, I GUESS I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT GETTING TO SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE LOWING THAT OUT BECAUSE I THINK THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO CREATE A, SO YOU'RE OPEN, YOU'RE OPEN TO WORKING WITH CITY STAFF TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S ACCURATE LIGHTING. 
          OKAY, PERFECT. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD, I KNOW THAT, UM, THEY WILL HAVE THEIR TRASH BARRELS. 
          ARE THEY GOING TO PUT THOSE OUT IN THE DRIVE AREA ON THE DAY WHEN THE TRASH COMPANY COMES TO PICK UP AND DUMP AND IT HAS PIECES INSIDE TO SCORE THEM AND THEY'LL BE PICKED UP, IT HAPPENS AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TROLLS IN THE JOY FOR THAT SPIRIT GROUP EDITION FOR FUTURE 
          [02:30:01]
USE. 
          FOR THAT IT'S NOT LIKE SHAKEN OUT HOW THAT'S GONNA BE DONE. 
          WE'RE PUTTING IN PLACE. 
          THAT'S WHERE IT USED TO BE THE PUNISHER DESIGNER OF PARKING. 
          SO THAT GETS TRASHED. 
          OKAY. 
          CAN WE CLOSE PUBLIC CLEARING? ARE WE GOOD? UH, ONE MORE QUESTION. 
          SORRY. 
          UM, YEAH, SO GREAT. 
          UM, MY LAST QUESTION IS, AND I KNOW I ASKED THIS IN THE BEGINNING. 
          I KNOW. 
          SO THERE'S 1339 UNITS BEING BUILT CONDOS, AND WE KNOW THAT IN THE MARKET. 
          I MEAN, IN REALITY, IT'S VERY HARD FOR INDIVIDUALS TO AFFORD DOWN PAYMENTS AND SO FAR. 
          SO ARE YOU OPEN TO GOING BACK, UH, WHATEVER THE, THE, THE COMMISSION MAKES DECISION WE MAKE TODAY AND IT OBVIOUSLY EVENTUALLY GOES TO THE CITY CONSOLE, BUT ARE YOU COMMITTED TO, UH, SEEING IF YOU COULD RAISE THAT TO A BUDGET OF A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS? UH, WE TO EXPLORE IT CERTAINLY. 
          OKAY. 
          AT THIS TIME I'LL CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT 21 DASH ZERO ONE ZONE CHANGE NUMBER 21 DASH ZERO TWO. 
          PRECISE PLAN NUMBER 21 DASH ZERO TWO, TENTATIVE TRACK MAP NUMBER 8 3 5 7 6 TREE PERMIT NUMBER 20 DASH ZERO ONE AMENDMENT MIKE DEGRADED, NEGATIVE DECORATION FOR THE APPLICANT, RC WEST COVINA LP CARE OF MOUNTAIN LIVING SEEN WITH, UM, WITH, UH, WITH THE EXCEPTION THAT THEY WORK WITH CITY STAFF TO ENSURE THERE'S ACCURATE LIGHTING IN THE AREA. 
          UH, BASED UPON ME VISITING THESE NEIGHBORS BACK IN THE BACK THEN, UH, I KNOW THERE WAS A CONCERN ABOUT BEING VERY DARK OVER THERE AND THE, AND THE CRIME OVER THERE. 
          SO OUR URGE, THE APPLICANTS WHO WORK WITH CITY STAFF TO MAKE IT A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT THEY WORK WITH THE CITY STAFF TO ENSURE ACCURATE LIGHTING AND THAT, UH, BECAUSE THIS IS A BIG PROJECT THAT INCLUDES 39 CONDOS, THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. 
          I MEAN, SORRY, AS A CONDITIONAL, AS A CONDITION THAT THEY SET ASIDE A MINIMUM OF A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS DEDICATED TO THE HOMEOWNERS ASSISTANCE PROGRAM. 
          AND THAT'S MY MOTION, WHICH, WHICH SCOBIES BE CHANGED AT THE CONSOLE LEVEL. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? ACTUALLY THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DIVIDED BY 39 IS ONLY ABOUT 20 LITTLE OVER $2,500. 
          DO A SELLER CREDIT TOWARDS CLOSING THIS OH FOUR HOMES. 
          OKAY. 
          HOMEOWNERS ASSISTANCE PROGRAM FOR NO LESS THAN FOUR HOMES, I'M CURRENTLY INCREASING THE MOUNTAIN TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND, CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          BECAUSE THEY HAVE A BUDGET FOR FOUR HOMES OR NO LESS THAN FOUR HOMES FOR 50,000, WHICH I THINK IT'S LOW COMPARED TO THEM BUILDING 39 NEW BRAND NEW CONDOS. 
          WELL, AT 50,000 THAT'S $12,500 IN CREDIT. 
          THEY CANNOT, UH, THEY CANNOT GIVE DOWN PAYMENT TO, IT'S NOT ALLOWED. 
          SO THAT ACTUALLY IS ABOUT AS MUCH AS THEY CAN GIVE AS A SELLER CREDIT DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE TO COME FROM A PROGRAM, A GOVERNMENT FUNDED PROGRAM. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IN THAT CASE, I'LL AMEND MY MOTION. 
          UM, JUST REMOVE THAT PART ABOUT THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I'LL, I'LL MOVE THE HOUR. 
          I'M IN MY EMOTION TO PUT IT BACK TO ME. 
          IS IT, IS IT POSSIBLE TO GO FIVE HOMES? AND, AND TYPICALLY RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THAT, LET'S SEE, LET'S DO THE CALCULATIONS. 
          [02:35:02]
WELL THEN ACTUALLY THAT 50,000 COULD GO TOWARDS FIVE HOMES BECAUSE IT'S THE CLOSING COSTS ARE USUALLY AROUND EIGHT TO 10,000, SAY 10,000. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I'LL, I'LL AMEND MY MOTION TO SAY THAT IT STAYS AT THEIR ALLOCATED BUDGET OF 50,000, BUT THAT THEY, UM, THAT THEY ESTABLISH A HOME OWNER HOME OWNER. 
          SORRY. 
          THEY ESTABLISH A HOME OWNER SHIP ASSISTANCE PROGRAM FOR NO LESS THAN FIVE HOMES. 
          AND THAT'S MY MOTION. 
          IS THERE A SECOND MOTION? OKAY. 
          ANY COMMENTS? UM, ANYTHING THAT THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO SEE TOO, SO WE CAN MAKE A MOTION. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          I GUESS, OR, UH, OR I'LL IN MY EMOTIONS JUST TO APPROVE IT IN GENERAL, THERE A SECOND MOTION. 
          DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT? WHAT ARE YOUR, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WERE YOUR REASONS FOR, TO DENY? SO, AS I EXPLAINED, MY PROJECT IS PROBABLY EIGHT, NO EXCEPTIONS, BUT RESIDENTIAL LIAR, THE SITE, THIS IS JUST, THIS IS THE FACT THAT THIS ISN'T, IT WAS ALL THE HOMEOWNERS AND VAN HORN ORDER FIGHT THROUGH MAIL. 
          SO THERE'S 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 HOMES ON VAN HORN. 
          YES. 
          THEY WERE ALL NOTIFIED. 
          SO I KNOW WHEN I'M WALKING THERE AT NIGHT, THAT THE COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENTS ON ORANGE ARE PURE DARK MOST OF THE TIME, WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THE RESIDENTS AROUND THERE WANTING MORE LIGHTNING AND IN THE DEVELOPMENT TO OCCUR BECAUSE CURRENTLY, UH, THERE'S AN OLD SCHOOL OR NOTHING ELSE. 
          THAT'S GOING TO GO THERE ON AN EMPTY LOT LIKE THAT. 
          SO WE HAVE TO BE REALISTIC AND REALIZE THAT HOUSING IS PROBABLY THE BEST, THE BEST OPTION. 
          UH, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE ON A HOUSING REQUIREMENT PLAN THAT WE HAVE AS A CITY HAVE TO MEET BECAUSE OF STATE REQUIREMENTS. 
          AND SO SAYING THAT IT SHOULD REMAIN NOTHING THERE, OR KEEP IT DARK AND, AND HAVE TRANSIENT STARING COMMUNITY CRIMES, WHICH IS OCCURRING. 
          CAUSE I LIVE IN DISTRICT ONE, I KNOW THAT THAT'S HAPPENING THERE. 
          UH, THEN I, I WILL URGE MY COLLEAGUES TO SOMEHOW SUPPORT THIS PROJECT BECAUSE KEEPING IT VACANT IS NOT THE SOLUTION TO THE LOCAL RESIDENTS IN THAT COMMUNITY. 
          COMMISSIONER HANK, DO YOU HAVE IT? I LIKE TO ADD THAT. 
          UM, I, I DO AGREE THAT WE DO NEED HOUSING AND IT'S A BEAUTIFULLY DESIGNED DEVELOPMENT. 
          HOWEVER, DUE TO THE FACT THAT IT'S HIGHLY SINGLE RESIDENTIAL AREA, I, I, MY CONCERN WAS ADDRESSED EARLIER. 
          I THINK THE DEVELOPER CAN BE QUEST FOR CERTAIN, UH, MORE THAN WILLING TO GO UP SO THAT YOU DON'T IN YOUR DATA AT THE AREA WITH PARKING, MAXING OUT THE AREA, I'M FINE. 
          YOU'RE MAXING OUT MORE THAN WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AREA IS FRONT SETBACK SIZE AT BACK. 
          THERE'S NO BACK SET BACK JUST ONLY DRIVEWAYS BECAUSE OF PACIFIC PLAN. 
          SO IN TERMS OF LAW COVERAGE, IN TERMS OF RESIDENTIAL LAW COVERAGE, YOU'RE MAXING OUT A HUNDRED PERCENT, WHICH I DON'T MIND. 
          HOWEVER, DO YOU NEED TO ADDRESS THE FUTURE ISSUES THAT WE WILL HAVING AND GOING ON HOME OR VERY EXPENSIVE ADULT CHILD'S OR LIVING WITH PARENTS A WHOLE LOT LONGER, 
          [02:40:02]
AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO GO AWAY. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE. 
          IT'S NOT LIKE IN THE OLD DAYS WHEN THE 18 OUT OF THERE, WOULD IT BE A GOOD IDEA TO CONTINUE THIS, TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT, TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY, I UNDERSTAND YOU PUT A LOT OF HARD WORK INTO THIS AND WAIT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE WANT, WE, WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU WANT TO DO THIS BUILT IN WEST COVINA. 
          UM, I THINK YOU'VE HEARD THE CONCERNS, THE COMMISSION, AND MAYBE IF YOU THINK THERE, THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING YOU CAN DO TO, TO APPEASE THE, THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE REGARDING, UM, I MEAN, THERE WERE SOME GOOD IDEAS THAT WERE PROPOSED REGARDING MAYBE. 
          AND I KNOW THAT YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT IT. 
          YOU SHOULD, YOU SAID THAT YOU DID REGARDING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES BEING BUILT ON THE SIDE OF THE HOMES, UM, IS ANYONE, I THINK YOU HAVE TO BE TALKING. 
          WE ALSO NEED TO BE CONSIDERATE THAT NOT ALL INVESTORS ARE AS RALPHY AS SOME OTHER INVESTORS AND THAT, AND THAT DEPENDING ON THE PROJECT AND DEPENDING ON THE LOCAL AREA, IT ALL, THAT ALL HAS DEPENDENCIES. 
          SO WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT NOT, YOU KNOW, NOT TO DEVELOP AN AREA, HOWEVER, YOU ALSO, EVERYTHING IS SUITED TO WHAT THE DEVELOPER WANTS AND NEEDS. 
          WE ALSO NEED TO BE CONCERNED AND MINDFUL ABOUT THE AREA AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE LONG-TERM EFFECT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THE HOUSING NUMBER IS GREAT THAT WE CAN ADD ON, BUT THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT DEVELOPER ACTUALLY CAN DO AND CAN ADJUST. 
          AND YOU MAY HAVE A PLAN THAT YOU CAN PULL UP THEIR DATABASE. 
          I'M NOT SURE, BUT ONE THING, ONE THOUGHT THAT WE MAY WANT TO GIVE, UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS PROJECT HAD ACTUALLY BEEN APPROVED AS AN ASSISTANT LIVING FACILITY AND ONLY BECAUSE OF CORONA VIRUS THAT BECAME A NONGO PROJECT. 
          AND SO WHAT THEY ATTEMPTED TO DO WAS TO COME BACK AND, UM, MY UNDERSTANDING, I GUESS, THE BUILDING WAS GOING TO BE A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, MUCH LARGER. 
          HOWEVER, WHAT THEY ATTEMPTED TO DO WAS TO COME BACK AND DO SOMETHING THAT WAS RESIDENTIAL. 
          AND I, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING FROM THE DEVELOPERS, THEY DID REACH OUT TO THE NEIGHBORS. 
          AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY DID AGREE UPON, THEY SAID THE NEIGHBORHOOD DID NOT WANT THREE STORY. 
          AND SO THEY DID GO BACK AND THEY MADE A CHANGE TO MAKE IT NO MORE THAN TWO STORY. 
          AND AS THEY SAID, THE, UM, ENTRANCE IS GOING TO BE, UM, FROM THE MERCEDES SIDE BECAUSE THEY HEARD WHAT THE RESIDENTS SAID ON THE VAN HORN. 
          AND THEY, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THAT THEY HAVE LAID IT OUT. 
          UM, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE ATTEMPTING TO DO IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER PARKING IS GOING TO BE FUNNELED WITHIN, OR AS THEY SAID, THERE WOULD BE AVAILABLE STREET PARKING ON MERSAD. 
          AND REMEMBER THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS ACROSS FROM HER SAID, THAT'S ACTUALLY, I GUESS THEIR BACKYARDS OR SIDE YARDS, THERE'S A WALL. 
          AND SO THAT PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD AREA IS SOMEWHAT BUFFERED. 
          THAT MAY BE SOME THOUGHT THAT YOU, YOU MAY WANT TO GIVE. 
          AND, UM, MY UNDERSTANDING, AT LEAST FROM THESE PLANS, THEY WERE DATED FROM DECEMBER OF 2019. 
          SO THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE INVESTED TIME AND MONEY. 
          SO ARE YOU MOTIONING FOR A SECOND? I ACTUALLY LIKE TO ADD OUT OF ALL THE COMMISSIONERS, I WAS SITTING HERE, THE ONLY ONE THAT WAS HERE TODAY, WHEN WE APPROVED IT, THE ASSISTANT LIVING IN ONE OF THE REASON I PROVED IT THAT WAY FOR THE ASSISTANT LIVING WAS THE ASSISTANT RESIDENT, SUPPOSEDLY ARE NOT DRIVING MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE THERE. 
          SO FOR THAT REASON, THERE ARE DIFFERENT REASON FOR DIFFERENT PROJECTS. 
          SO I JUST WANT TO ADD THAT AT THE TIME WHEN WE APPROVE WITH THE ASSISTANT LIVING, WE'RE ASSUMING THAT MOST OF THE RESIDENT WHO WILL BE LIVING IN THE FACILITY WILL NOT HAVE A CAR, BUT THERE'S ALSO THE FACT THAT PEOPLE DON'T STAY IN THEIR FIRST HOMES OR A CONDO. 
          NOBODY WANTS TO LIVE IN A TOWN HOME OR CONDO FOREVER. 
          THEY WILL MOVE. 
          THEY WILL SELL, THEY WILL WANT A HOME. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I, I KNOW, UH, I MEAN, I'M SURE THE RESIDENTS WERE ON THIS PROJECT OVER A ASSISTED LIVING HOME. 
          CAUSE SOMETIMES ASSISTED LIVING HOMES BRING PEOPLE THAT HAVE LOCAL COMMUNITY DON'T WANT, WHO HAVE COMMITTED CRIMES IN THE PAST. 
          BUT, BUT LOOKING AT THE, AT THE DESIGN, YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S LIKE, UM, COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS SAID, IT'S, IT'S TWO STORIES BECAUSE OF THE RULE, WHAT THE RESIDENTS DEMAND IT. 
          [02:45:01]
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, IT LOOKS THEY'RE HOUSES. 
          THEY'RE TECHNICALLY TWO STORY HOUSES. 
          IT'S JUST, THEY'RE ALL ALTOGETHER. 
          SO, WHICH I AGREE. 
          SO THEY LOOK REALLY WELL-PLANNED OUT. 
          I WILL MOTION TO SECOND. 
          WHAT WAS, SORRY, CAN WE GET CLARIFICATION ON THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR WAS FROM TO PROVE YES. 
          SO AS TO, UM, EMOTIONS TO APPROVE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT NUMBER 21 DASH ZERO ONE, AS IT IS CORRECT? YES. 
          JARED COMMISSION, JUST, JUST AS A POINT OF ORDER, THIS IS GOING TO BE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL. 
          SO CERTAINLY THE COMMISSION CAN ALSO INCLUDE IN THAT RECOMMENDATION, SPECIFIC ITEMS OF CONCERN YOU WANT THE COUNCIL TO BE LOOKING AT. 
          WELL, THE PARKING ISSUE WE'D LIKE THEM TO LOOK AT, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, BET AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THE OPEN SPACE AND I MEAN, WE'VE HAD, AND I'M NOT, WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT YOU NEED TO, BUT WE'VE HAD ACTUALLY DEVELOPERS BEFORE GIVE UP A UNIT HERE, THERE FOR LOWER, THEY'RE THE NUMBER TO MAKE IT MORE FEASIBLE FOR THE TENANTS THERE. 
          I MEAN, I, I REALLY THINK THAT THE PARKING LOT WOULD BE SOMEWHAT OF AN INCONVENIENCE. 
          EVEN IF YOU HAVE LIKE FAMILY THAT COME OVER OR SEVEN VISITORS, EVERYBODY HAS VISITORS HERE AND THERE JUST DOESN'T SEEM THAT THAT'S ENOUGH. 
          I WOULD HIGHLY, HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU RETHINK SOMETHING. 
          YEP. 
          AND, UH, AND I KNOW, UH, I'M GOING TO DROWN DRANO, PAULINA PRESENTS THIS TO THE CON, SO I'M SURE THEY'LL SHARE SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT THE COMMISSION HAD TODAY. 
          I WOULD URGE THE APPLICANTS TO DO MAKE SURE THAT YOU VISIT THOSE HOMES ON VAN HORN AND YOU CREATE SOME DATA FOR THE CONSOLE. 
          SO THEY COULD ALWAYS SEE MAKE THE DECISION BASED UPON WHAT THE LOCAL RESIDENTS WANT IN THAT AREA. 
          SO YOU HAVE A GATE THOUGH ON VAN HORN WHERE THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO COME IN, THAT THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE AN ENTRANCE THERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO NOBODY'S GOING TO WANT TO PARK THERE AND WALK ALL THE WAY AROUND. 
          THEY WON'T, THEY WON'T BE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO LIKE MANY OTHER PROJECTS, THE DEVELOPER WILL SHOW, TELL THE COMMISSION OR THE CITY CON. 
          SO HOW MANY RESIDENTS ACTUALLY SUPPORT THE PROJECT AND SOMETIMES THEY'LL ENCOURAGE THEM TO COME SPEAK AT THOSE MEETINGS. 
          SO IT'S VERY, UH, I WOULD ENCOURAGE THAT. 
          SO, YEAH, THAT'S MY EMOTION. 
          AND THEN, UH, AND ALSO TO ADD ON, I LIKE TO SEE IF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE GIVE TO THE CITY COUNCIL MIGHT BE POSSIBLY TO INCREASE EACH UNITS. 
          THE PARKING SPACES POSSIBLY AT THE HEIGHTS MIGHT BE INCREASED. 
          I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY RIGHT NOW YOU'RE LIMITED ALSO BY THE HEIGHT OF 2030, THEY'VE ALREADY SPOKEN WITH THE RESIDENTS AND THAT'S WHAT THE RESIDENTS WANT. 
          THEY WANT TO KEEP A TWO STORY AND THEY'VE ALREADY PROMISED THEM THAT WE DON'T WANT, WE WANT TO DO WHAT THE RESIDENTS WANT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO JUST BACK TO CLARIFY, YOUR MOTION IS TO APPROVE THESE ARE THE SOLUTIONS, UH, FOR, UM, COUNCIL APPROVAL AND THEN AT, UH, HAVE THE DEVELOPER CONSIDERING ADDITIONAL GUEST PARKING. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          AND DO WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND? OKAY. 
          UM, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND AND I'LL READ ALL THE RESOLUTION NUMBERS SO WE CAN GET THAT ON RECORD. 
          UM, THE MITIGATED NEGATIVE DECLARATION RESOLUTION NUMBER 22 DASH 6 1 0 3. 
          UH, GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT RESOLUTION NUMBER 22 DASH 6 1 0 4 ZONE CHANGE RESOLUTION NUMBER 22 DASH 6 1 0 5. 
          THE PRECISE PLAN RESOLUTION NUMBER 22 DASH 61 0 6. 
          AND THEN THE TENTATIVE TRACK MAP RESOLUTION NUMBER 22 DASH 6 1 0 7. 
          COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS. I, UH, COMMISSIONER GUTIERREZ, COMMISSIONER HANG I, UH, VICE CHAIR, LEWIS AND CHAIR VISCERA. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES FOUR ONE. 
          AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, UH, THEY, THEY, I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT DEVELOPERS ARE CREATING A HOMEOWNER'S ASSISTANCE PROGRAM IN THE CITY OF WEST COVINA. 
          I KNOW THIS WILL BE BENEFICIAL TO THE MANY RESIDENTS WHO CURRENTLY RENT IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          AND I THINK THE DEVELOPER FOR CHOOSING WEST COVINA AND EMBRACING OUR CITY. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          UM, WHY NO ACTION ON THIS MATTER WILL BE TAKEN AT A PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL ON A DATE TO BE DETERMINED. 
          UH, THERE ARE NO NON-HEARING ITEMS, UM, COMMISSIONED REPORTS, COMMENTS, MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS. WOULD ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS LIKE TO REPORT OR COMMENT ON AN ITEM? PAULINE, 
          [5. COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR'S REPORT]
ARE THERE ANY ITEMS TO REPORT TO THE COMMISSION? SO THE CITY, UH, HELD A COMMUNITY WORKSHOPS WITHIN EACH OF THE DISTRICTS 
          [02:50:01]
WITHIN THE CITY FOR THE DEVELOPMENT CODE UPDATE. 
          THOSE HAVE CONCLUDED, HOWEVER, INDIVIDUALS, STAKEHOLDERS, RESIDENTS, INTERESTED, INDIVIDUALS ARE STILL ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN TAKING THAT SURVEY. 
          IT IS AVAILABLE ON A VR WEBSITE. 
          IT IS A DEDICATED WEBSITE THAT DOES HAVE THE PRESENTATION THAT WAS THE SAME PRESENTATION GIVEN AT EACH COMMUNITY EVENT OR COMMUNITY WORKSHOP. 
          AND IT IS AVAILABLE TO, UH, ANSWER THE SURVEY THAT WAS CONDUCTED AT THAT PRESENTATION. 
          SO IT'S ALL AVAILABLE VIA OUR WEBSITE, WEST COVINA.ORG, IF ANYONE IS STILL INTERESTED IN PARTICIPATING. 
          UM, AND SO WE'RE GOING TO BE SETTING UP, UH, SUBCOMMITTEES WITH, UM, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE AS WELL. 
          SO THAT'S IT FOR ME. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIR. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, WERE THERE ANY COUNCIL ACTIONS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO REPORT? NOT AT THIS TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          SINCE THERE'S NO FURTHER BUSINESS TO CONSIDER THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED AT 9 53.
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