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          [CALL TO ORDER]
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          REGULAR MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS CALLED TO ORDER FOR DECEMBER 14TH, 2021 7:00 PM. 
          WE'LL NOW TAKE, UM, A MOMENT OF SILENT PRAYER OR MEDITATION FOLLOWED BY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. 
          PLEASE STAND AGENTS WILL BE LED BY COMMISSIONER HANK. 
          PLEASE JOIN ME. 
          I THAT JOANNE, CAN YOU CALL ROLL COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS, PRESENT COMMISSIONER GUTIERREZ, COMMISSIONER HAYNE HERE. 
          VICE CHAIR LEWIS. 
          BESERA HERE. 
          [1. Regular meeting, October 26, 2021]
UH, TONIGHT WE HAVE THE MINUTES FROM THE REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING ON OCTOBER 26TH, 2021. 
          DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY CHANGES TO THE MINUTES? THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED. 
          WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA? 
          [2. CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NO. 21-03]
WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THE MEETING TONIGHT. 
          WE HAVE ONE CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING CONTINUED FROM OCTOBER 26, 21. 
          THIS MATTER. 
          YES. 
          FROM THE REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING ON OCTOBER 26TH, 2021. 
          JOANNE WHO REPRESENT THE STAFF REPORT, PLEASE INTERRUPT BEFORE JOANNE ANNOUNCES. 
          UM, BEFORE SHE NOW INTRODUCES A CHAMELEON, I WANTED TO MENTION THAT TONIGHT IS CHAMELEON LAST, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION WITH US. 
          SHE WILL BE MOVING ON TO SAN MARINO, SO WE'RE VERY SAD TO SEE HER GO. 
          SO SHE'LL BE DOING HER LAST PRESENTATION WITH WEST COVINA. 
          OH, THANK YOU. 
          GOODIE. 
          OH, YOU KNOW WHAT? I SHOULD START IT ONE SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          DO YOU MEAN PLANNING COMMISSIONERS? THIS IS THE SECOND MEETING ON THIS ITEM. 
          UM, THE PROPOSED, UH, WIRELESS TELECOMMUNICATIONS FACILITY. 
          SO I'M GOING TO SKIP THROUGH THE FIRST COUPLE OF SLIDES QUICKLY CAUSE WE'VE BEEN OVER THEM ON, THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE ON RIGHT NEXT TO HERITAGE PARK AT THE VILLANOVA HEIGHTS W WATER COMPANY ON PROPERTY. 
          AND THIS SITE PLAN IS JUST INDICATING THE WATER TOWERS, THE CURRENT FACILITIES, THE VALENCIA HEIGHTS, AND THEN THE EXISTING TREES, THE NEW, UM, APTTUS, AND THEN THE NEW FACILITIES WITH, UH, UM, ZOOMED IN A LITTLE BIT MORE. 
          ONCE AGAIN, THE PROPOSED FACILITY WITH THE PROPOSED EQUIPMENT, UM, SHELTER, AND THEN THE, THE GENERATOR TO THE SIDE, WITH THE NEW TREES THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE PROPOSING WITH THIS PROPOSAL, THE NEW EUCALYPTUS TREES AND THEN NEW LANDSCAPING ALONG THE FENCE FACING, UM, HERITAGE PARK. 
          UM, THIS IS THE ELEVATION, THE NEW EQUIPMENT CABINET, UH, THE GENERATOR, THE NEW MODEL EUCALYPTUS WITH THE PROPOSED ANTENNAS. 
          AND THEN THE RED ARE FUTURE CO-LOCATION ATTENDANTS SHOULD A NEW, UM, COMPANY WISH TO CO-LOCATE, BUT THEY'RE NOT BEING PROPOSED AT THIS TIME AT THE, AND THE RED. 
          AND THEN IT WOULD BE MAXED OUT AT, AT 60 FEET, UM, FROM THE LAST MEETING, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION REQUESTED THAT, UM, THERE WAS MORE EXPLANATION INTO THE JUSTIFICATION, UM, PLOTS, UH, MORE PHOTO SIMULATIONS, UH, AND AN EXPLANATION OR FURTHER INFORMATION AS TO WHY, UM, THE EQUIPMENT COULDN'T BE BOLTED. 
          AND, 
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UM, ALL OF THESE ARE COVERED IN ATTACHMENTS 3, 7, 8, AND NINE, UM, SOMEWHERE NEW AND SOME WERE UPDATED FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETING. 
          THIS IS JUST THE, TO CLARIFY THE CODE STANDARDS. 
          UH, THE WEST COVINA MUNICIPAL CODE, UM, ONLY REQUIRES THAT, UM, EQUIPMENT BE VOLTED IF IT'S ON CITY PROPERTY. 
          AND IF IT'S NOT ON CITY PROPERTY, IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT. 
          THIS MAP IS INDICATING ALL THE PHOTOS WHERE THE SIMULATIONS WERE TAKEN AND ADJUSTED. 
          THE NEW LOCATIONS ARE, UM, SITES F N G UM, TO THE SOUTH. 
          UH, I DO WANT TO NOTATE THAT, UM, IT WAS REQUESTED THAT THEY TAKE A SIMULATION CLOSEST TO THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, UM, WHERE THE LITTLE G MARK IS. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE THE STIMULATIONS FROM THERE, UM, SIMULATION, SORRY. 
          AND THEN, UH, THEY DID TAKE IT FROM THE FURTHEST ON THE PARKSIDE, UM, AND NOT ON THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. 
          AND IF THEY WERE TO TAKE IT FROM THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, IT WOULD BE MORE ELEVATED FROM THE PAD, CAUSE THIS IS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SLOPE. 
          SO LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE. 
          SO YOU HAVE SEEN THIS ONE BEFORE. 
          THIS IS FROM THE HIKING TRAIL, UM, HERITAGE PARK. 
          UM, THIS IS FROM CAMERON AVENUE. 
          THIS IS FROM THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES TO THE EAST ON A PRIVATE STREET, THE ENTRANCE AT, UM, EAST CAMERON AVENUE, UH, THE ENTRANCE, THE TRAIL AT HILLSIDE DRIVE THE ENTRANCE, I SHOULD SAY. 
          AND THEN THESE ARE THE NEW ONES. 
          SO THIS IS THE ALONG THE TRAIL FACING THE NORTHEAST, WHICH WAS F AND THE LAST NEW ONE. 
          THIS IS G FROM THE VERY BOTTOM OF THE SLOPE IN THE CORNER OF THE PARK PROPERTY. 
          SO THIS MAP, UH, WE HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT, UM, CITY PROPERTY LOCATIONS AND THE RADIUS MAP, UM, DISTANCING. 
          SO THIS IS HERITAGE PARK AND GREEN AT THE CITY OWNS, AND THIS IS THE PARCEL. 
          UM, I WAS MENTIONING LAST TIME THAT THE CITY OWNS AS WELL, A SMALL SLIVER TO THE SOUTH. 
          UM, SO WE OWN BOTH OF THE GREEN PROPERTIES, WHICH IS WHY WE WERE NOTICED TWICE. 
          AND THEN THIS LINE IS JUST INDICATING THE 300 FOOT RADIUS THAT, THAT WAS NOTIFIED. 
          UH, THIS, THIS MEETING WAS FROM PREVIOUSLY AND WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY NEW, COMMON SENSE, THE LAST MEETING, UM, TO PLANNING. 
          UM, WE DID RECEIVE A LETTER FROM THE ATTORNEYS FOR, UM, FROM THE APPLICANT AND THAT WAS PROVIDED AS THE LAST ATTACHMENT ON YOUR AGENDA. 
          AND SO TO SUM IT UP, UM, STAFF IS STILL RECOMMENDING APPROVAL FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 2103. 
          I AM, UH, OPEN FROM OUR QUESTIONS AND I CAN GO BACK TO ANY PREVIOUS SLIDES, IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE MORE CLOSELY, AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE. 
          SHOULD YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM AS WELL? ALINA, DO WE HAVE ANY OF THE PINK CARDS THAT ANYONE WHO WON'T BE SPEAKING? OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR THAT FOR THE STAFF REPORT AND ON BEHALF OF THE COMMISSION, WE WISH YOU WELL ON YOUR NEW ENDEAVOR. 
          UH, DOES ANY MEMBER OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF SINCE THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS CLOSED ON OCTOBER 26TH, 2021 MEETING? UM, OH, I'M SORRY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS, COMMISSIONER HANG. 
          CAN WE SHOW THE TEARS FOR THAT FOR THE APPLICANT OR THE STAFF STAFF? UM, NOT AT THE SAME VICE CHAIR LISTS. 
          YES. 
          UM, SO AT, AT THE, AT THE LAST, UH, PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS, I HAD INQUIRED AS TO WHAT THE STATUS WAS WITH REGARD TO ANY NEGOTIATIONS BETWEEN THE CITY OF WEST COVINA AND THE APPLICANT WITH REGARD TO PLACING THE TOWER ON ONE OF OUR PARCELS OF PROPERTY, ONE OF THE CITY OF WEST COVINA PARCELS OF PROPERTY. 
          UM, AND IT OCCURRED TO ME THAT THERE WAS A STATEMENT THAT NO AGREEMENT WAS 
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REACHED. 
          MY QUESTION IS, WERE THERE EVER ANY NEGOTIATIONS THAT TOOK PLACE? UH, VICE-CHAIR LEWIS? UM, I DID NOT SEE AN AGREEMENT COME THROUGH MY DESK REGARDING A CELL SITE FOR HERITAGE PARK OR ANY OF THOSE PARCELS NEAR THAT SITE. 
          SO THERE WAS NO, I DON'T REQUEST FROM THE APPLICANT FOR USE OF CITY PROPERTY IN THAT AREA. 
          WE DO HAVE CELL TOWERS ON OTHER, UH, CITY, UH, PROPERTIES WITHIN THIS, WITHIN THE CITY OF WEST COVINA. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO NOW WE WILL REOPEN FOR PUBLIC HEARING. 
          UM, WE'LL BE HEARING TESTIMONY AGAIN FROM THE APPLICANT. 
          SEE JESSICA, I'M SORRY. 
          I SWITCHED GLASSES. 
          GREAT. 
          A PRESENTATION SLIDE JUST SHOWS THE LOCATION OF THE WIRELESS FACILITY. 
          UM, THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE PURPOSE FOR THIS WIRELESS FACILITY. 
          UM, IT'S DUE TO THE INCREASING NUMBER OF PEOPLE WORKING FROM HOME. 
          UH, THIS ALSO, UH, WILL PROVIDE, UM, A, THE GAPPING COVERAGE THAT WE HAVE ON OUR PROPAGATION THAT'S THAT YOU'LL SEE LATER ON AS WELL. 
          UM, THIS, UH, CELL SITE WOULD HELP COVERAGE AND THEN ALSO PROVIDE FIRSTNET, UM, TO THE FIRST POLICE AND FIRE, UM, IN THE AREA. 
          AND THEN, UM, THIS IS ELEVATIONS THAT WERE UPDATED SINCE OUR LAST PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, ON THIS ELEVATION, SINCE WE ARE UNABLE TO FAULT THE FACILITY AND GRAFFITI WAS, UM, BROUGHT UP AS A CONCERN, 18 T DID ADD CLIMBING VINES TO THE CMU WALL ENCLOSURE TO HELP DETER ANY OF THOSE, UM, CONCERNS. 
          UM, THESE ARE JUST A, ANOTHER VIEW OF THE PHOTO SIMS, UM, THAT CAMELIA HAD PRESENTED THIS SHOWS AT THE TOP OF HILLSIDE. 
          THAT'S THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY ABOVE THE WATER DISTRICT. 
          THIS IS FROM THE, IS BELOW. 
          UM, OUR PHOTO. 
          SOME VENDOR DID TRY TO GET AS CLOSE TO THE PROPERTIES AS POSSIBLE. 
          UM, I KNOW IT WAS REQUESTED TO TRY TO GET IT IN THE BACKYARDS, UM, BUT SHE WAS UNSUCCESSFUL IN ORDER TO GET APPROVAL. 
          SO THAT IS FROM THE BOTTOM OF THE HILLSIDE. 
          AND THEN THIS IS FROM THE BACK GATE OF ANOTHER PROPERTY ON HILLSIDE AT 3 1 8, 3 HILLSIDE RESIDENCE. 
          AND THAT SHOWS THE NEW SIM. 
          THESE ARE THE COVERAGE MAPS ON THAT. 
          OUR RF ENGINEER PROVIDED THE IMAGE ON THE LEFT SHOWS. 
          UM, THEY, THE IT GREEN IS THE INDOOR COVERAGE IN THE AREA AND THE CELL, THE PURPLE DOTS AROUND THE GREEN SHOW, THE EXISTING FACILITIES ARE THE RED.IN THE MIDDLE IS WHERE OUR PROPOSED FACILITY IS GOING TO GO. 
          AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S NO INDOOR COVERAGE IN THE AREA. 
          AND THEN THE PHOTO ON THE RIGHT IS THE COVERAGE AFTER THE CELL SITE. 
          AND AS YOU COULD SEE, THE INDOOR COVERAGE HAS SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED WITH THE PROPOSED FACILITY. 
          AND THIS IS JUST THE LEGEND FOR THE COVERS MAP TO SHOW HOW THEY ARE RED ON THE GREEN INDICATES THE INDOOR COVERAGE, THE YELLOW INDICATES THE VEHICLE COVERAGE AND THE PURPLE INDICATES THE OUTDOOR USAGE. 
          AND THEN THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR THAT. 
          AND THEN I DO WANT TO, UM, ANSWER THE QUESTION IN REGARDS TO THE CITY, UM, PARK. 
          UM, I DID SPEAK WITH, UH, NICOLE, I BELIEVE SHE WAS ASSISTANT PLANNER MANNING, UH, CITY MANAGER AT THE TIME, MAYBE IN 20, 20, 20, 19, UM, IN REGARDS TO CO-LOCATING OR INSTALLING A WIRELESS FACILITY ON A CITY PROPERTY, UM, THERE WAS NO FORMAL AMENDMENT OR LEASE AGREEMENT, UM, BROUGHT TO US. 
          IT WAS, WE WEREN'T EVEN ABLE TO AGREE ON THE STARTING TERMS OF THE NEGOTIATION NEGOTIATIONS, UM, 
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AS FAR AS THE RENTAL PORTIONS. 
          SO THEN IT NEVER WENT ANYWHERE AFTER THAT. 
          I HAVE ANY I'M HERE. 
          YOU GUYS HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ASK WE'LL HAVE SOMEONE FROM AT AND T AS WELL. 
          WELL, MAYBE WE'LL WAIT AFTER WE HEAR FROM THE SECOND APP OR ACTUALLY WE'LL SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR JESSICA? THERE'S YOUR HANG. 
          I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION THOUGH. 
          WE GOT IN THE PHOTO SIMS, UM, THIS PARTICULAR AREA, SINCE IT'S A HILLSIDE AREA, IT'S ALMOST LIKE A BALL, THE AREA. 
          SO FOR THE FOUR SIMS, IT SEEMS THAT LOCATION, YOU HAVE IT. 
          CAN YOU BRING UP THE, UM, LOCATION A THROUGH? SO ALL THE AREAS A THROUGH G I BELIEVE YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE, IT'S REALLY SMALL. 
          UM, SO THIS PARTICULAR AREA IS ALMOST LIKE A BOWL. 
          SO ALL THE PHOTO, SAME AREA, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S WITHIN THE PARK AREA IN THE PUBLIC STREET AREA, BUT ALL THE PHOTOS SIMS IS BASICALLY TAKEN DOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF THE, LIKE A BOWL AREA. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? NO. 
          SO IF YOU LOOK AT ITEM C THAT'S ON THE RESIDENTIAL, THAT'S UP ON A HILL, THAT'S THE RESIDENTIAL'S RIGHT NEXT TO, UM, RIGHT NEXT TO THE WATER TANKS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN ITEM E IS UP ON HILL, UP ON HILLSIDE AND THEN ITEM G IS ALSO THAT'S UP AGAINST THE HILL. 
          THE T I MEAN, WE GOT AS CLOSE TO THE, UM, THE PROPERTY LINE AS WE COULD ITEMS A N E M ARE MORE, ARE DOWN ON THE, ON THE PARKSIDE. 
          AND THEN ITEM B IS IT'S FROM THE MAIN STREET. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOU LOOK AT HILLSIDE, I BELIEVE ITEM E N G. 
          IT'S A GRADUAL SLOPE GOING UPHILL. 
          THAT'S THE BEGINNING OF THE SLOPE BASICALLY, AND THEN CONTINUE RISES ALL THE WAY UP AND AROUND THAT THAT'S A HILLSIDE AREA. 
          AND THEN ALSO THE HERITAGE, I BELIEVE THAT IT'S A HERITAGE STREET THAT WRAPS AROUND ALL THAT PROPERTY, THE ELEVATION BETWEEN THAT POINT AND THE BOTTOM PORTION, WHICH IS A BORE AREA TO, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY FEET THAT WOULD BE. 
          I DO NOT KNOW. 
          YOU HAVE TO GUESS, IS IT 10 FEET? WELL, IT'S 60 FEET OR OUR CELL SITE IS LESS THAN, OR AS MORE THAN A HUNDRED FEET AWAY FROM THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL. 
          SO I WOULD SAY MORE THAN A HUNDRED FEET, I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT THE ELEVATIONS IN THE BOWL PORTION WHERE THE HERITAGE PARK, WHICH IS WRAP AROUND A G AND THAT LITTLE AREA. 
          DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT THE ELEVATION IS? A WRAP THAT THE HOMES AT THE WRAPAROUND, THAT AREA, BASICALLY THE HIGHER, I WOULD ASSUME THEN THAT AREA THAT WE WOULD TAKE IN THE PHOTO SIM FROM THAT WOULD FOR ASSUMPTIONS, CORRECT? YEAH. 
          G WAS THE CLOSEST WE CAN GET TO THE NEIGHBORING, UM, BACKYARD. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT IT'S AT THE LOWEST ELEVATION VERSUS MOST OF THE HOMES THAT WRAP AROUND THAT, THAT HILLSIDE IS MUCH HIGHER. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO IF WE WOULD HAVE TAKEN IT, WE, YOU JUST WOULDN'T GET THE VIEW. 
          AND I THOUGHT FROM OUR LAST PLANNING HERE, AND YOU WANTED IT FROM THE BACKYARD, CORRECT? NOT THE FRONT YARD. 
          CORRECT. 
          BUT WE COULD HAVE TAKEN IT FROM HILLSIDE ROAD, BUT THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN FROM THE FRONT YARD. 
          CORRECT. 
          BUT THIS, UM, IT IS, IT IS TRUE, BUT IT'S NOT THEIR BACKYARD PER SE, BECAUSE THE, THE PARK IS KIND OF DROP BELOW THEIR BACKYARD, WHICH IS QUITE, I BELIEVE IT'S QUITE A DISTANT, BUT I JUST DON'T KNOW, LIKE, WHETHER IT'S 60 FEET OR A HUNDRED FEET ABOVE FROM THE PARK. 
          YEAH. 
          ITEM G, LIKE I SAID, THAT'S UP AGAINST THE GATE. 
          OKAY. 
          THE NEIGHBORING BACKYARD, BUT THAT'S AS CLOSE AS WE COULD GET. 
          YES. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT MISSION. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER GUTIERREZ? ANY QUESTIONS? YES. 
          OH, UM, SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THIS COVERAGE IS ABSOLUTELY NEEDED. 
          YES. 
          AND THIS AT AND T PROVIDES CUSTOMERS OR, UH, CELL BOOSTERS FOR RESIDENTS WHO MAY HAVE TICK TICK, TICK, TICK, TICK, TYPICAL ISSUES CONNECTING TO THEIR CELL PHONES DOES AN ATNC PROVIDE THE SERVICES OF BOOSTERS IN HOMES WILL HAVE WIFI. 
          I'M SURE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THEY PROVIDE. 
          IF IT'S NOT REQUESTED MAYBE, OR MAYBE TNC CONCERT. 
          GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. 
          MY NAME IS DAN  I WORK FOR AT AND T IS EXTERNAL AFFAIRS GROUP. 
          UM, YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. 
          SO IN THE PAST, UM, YEARS AGO, WE DID PROVIDE, UH, CUSTOMERS WITH, UM, FEMTO CELLS, BOOSTERS. 
          UM, HAVEN'T IN 
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DOING THAT, UM, IT'S NOT AN INDUSTRY STANDARD. 
          UM, CUSTOMERS CAN PURCHASE THOSE, BUT AGAIN, IT'S NOT AN OPTIMAL SOLUTION. 
          UM, IT'LL PROVIDE IMMEDIATE COVERAGE WITHIN YOUR HOME, BUT THE SECOND SHOE STEP INTO YOUR GARAGE, OR YOU STEP INTO YOUR CAR, UM, WHILE YOU'RE ON A CALL IT'S DROPPED, OR IF YOU'RE USING SOME SORT OF DATA SERVICE IT'S AGAIN DROPPED. 
          SO IT'S NOT A VERY USEFUL SERVICE. 
          IT WAS YEARS AGO AND VOICE WAS IMPORTANT. 
          GREAT. 
          AND THEN MY NEXT QUESTION IS HOW DOES THE MAPS THAT YOU PROVIDE, UH, THE, FOR, FROM THE MAPS ARE ON THE F FCCS REP SITE? SO I, I COULDN'T TECHNICALLY ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS. 
          UM, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE MAPS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN PROVIDED ALONG WITH THE RF STATEMENT, UM, FROM OUR ENGINEER THAT WAS SIGNED, UM, IS A CERTIFIED ENGINEER. 
          UH, WE USE REALLY ROBUST INDUSTRY TOOLS TO DO THOSE PROPAGATION MAPS, AND IT'S ALL BASED OFF OF, UH, SIGNAL STRENGTH. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, JESSICA CORRECTLY POINTED OUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT IN-BUILDING COVERAGE AS IMPORTANT, RIGHT. 
          IF YOU CAN'T HAVE A, TAKE A CALL FROM YOUR CAR OR WALKING INTO YOUR HOME, UM, THAT'S NOT GOOD COVERAGE IN OUR MIND. 
          AND SO, UM, WE LOOK AT THE SIGNAL STRENGTH, WHICH IS WHAT'S DEPICTED IN THOSE, THOSE, THOSE PICTURES THEY'RE AS GREEN AS, UM, AS THE COVERAGE WE WANT TO PRESENT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THEN, UM, AND ARE YOU SAYING THAT THIS TOWER WILL BE SPECIFICALLY USED BY 18 T FOR 18 T COVERAGE CUSTOMERS, OR WOULD IT BE USED BY OTHER FOAM CARRIERS AND ACNC WE'LL LEASE THAT OUT TO OTHER CARRIERS WHO DON'T HAVE COVERAGE IN THAT AREA? YEAH. 
          THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. 
          I'LL TRY TO SEE US SELLER. 
          SURE. 
          THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, UM, WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED IS JUST AT T AND T. 
          UM, BUT AS YOU SAW IN THE PRESENTATION, THERE WAS A SPACE FOR A SECOND CARRIER, UM, IN THE FUTURE, IF SOMEBODY WERE TO COME, UM, TO THE CITY OR TO US AND ASK FOR THAT SPACE, UM, I BELIEVE, AND YOU MIGHT WANT TO ASK PLANNING, BUT I BELIEVE THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK IN FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO BE APPROVED BY YOU GUYS. 
          UM, BUT THE, THE POINT IS THIS SITE IS, UH, YOU KNOW, MADE TO ALLOW FOR A SECOND CARRIER. 
          SO THERE WOULDN'T BE A NEED FOR ANOTHER POLL, WHICH IS, UM, WHICH IS A BENEFIT TO THE CITY. 
          CORRECT. 
          THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU, MR. LEWIS, EXCUSE ME. 
          W REGARDING THE, UH, ENGINEERING WATER, UH, UH, ADDRESSING, UH, THE INSTALLATION OF AN UNDERGROUND VAULT, UM, YOU, YOU, YOU STATED IN YOUR STATEMENT THAT THERE'S NOT A WAY TO DO THIS, BUT I I'M, I, I READ THE LETTER, I READ IT VERY CAREFULLY AND IT SAYS, UM, WITH THESE IN MIND, WE SUGGEST KEEPING THE EQUIPMENT ABOVE GROUND AND AVOID THE UNDERGROUND WALL. 
          UM, THIS DECISION WILL PRESENT, UH, WILL PREVENT POSSIBLE STRUCTURAL SAFETY ISSUES IN THE FUTURE. 
          SO, AND IT ALSO INDICATES THAT THE SORT OF GOING IN ASSUMPTION IS THAT YOU'RE USING A PREFABBED VOLT FOR THIS LOCATION. 
          AND IT DOESN'T PROVIDE ME WITH ANY INDICATION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE ALTERNATIVE VOLTS THAT COULD BE UTILIZED TO SUPPORT ANY ADJOINING AREA. 
          AND, AND, AND FRANKLY, I'M, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED AS TO, AS, AS TO WHY THAT'S NOT ADDRESSED, BECAUSE IF THIS AREA IS, OR IF, IF THIS KIND OF EXCAVATION WOULD PRESENT A POTENTIAL PROBLEM IN THAT AREA, WITH REGARD TO THOSE WATER, THOSE, THOSE WATER TANKS UP THERE, I GUESS MY CONCERN IS, SHOULD WE EVEN BE PUTTING A CELL PHONE TOWER UP THERE TO BEGIN WITH, IF THERE ARE THESE STRUCTURAL CONSIDERATIONS, AND AS, AS YOU'VE INDICATED, FIRSTNET WILL BE, WOULD BE INSTALLED WITH THIS, RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, MY CONCERN IS WE HAVE AN EARTHQUAKE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S SOME SORT OF, UH, UH, AN ISSUE WITH THE, UH, WITH THE, WITH THE SOIL UP THERE, THEN WE HAVE POTENTIALLY HAVE PROBLEMS WITH A SITE WHERE FIRSTNET IS NOT GOING TO WORK. 
          AND THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN. 
          SO ARE WE SAYING THAT THIS IS NOT, THAT THIS IS JUST A COMPLETELY NON FEASIBLE AND WE COULD NEVER DO IT, OR ARE WE SAYING THAT WE JUST, WE JUST WANT TO GO WITH THE PREFAB. 
          WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING BEYOND THAT. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. 
          I CAN, I CAN HELP ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. 
          SO, UM, I DON'T HAVE THE, THE LETTER FROM THE ENGINEERING GROUP, UM, STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS IN FRONT OF ME, BUT, UH, I RECALL, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY DID MENTION BEDROCK ISSUES HAVING TO EXCAVATE AND MAYBE WRONG, UM, CORRECT ME IF I AM, BUT I THOUGHT 25 FEET IN ORDER TO SHORE UP SPACE, THERE'S A LOT OF HEAVY 
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EQUIPMENT. 
          AND OBVIOUSLY THE, THE WATER TANKS THEMSELVES ARE EXTREMELY HEAVY. 
          UM, SO ANYTIME YOU START TO BREAK GROUND AND YOU GO BELOW GRADE, THERE'S ENORMOUS STRUCTURAL ISSUES, ESPECIALLY WITH THE SITE. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THAT LETTER EMPHASIZES YOUR POINT ON FIRSTNET IS, IS, IS SPOT ON. 
          UM, AND SO I'LL BACK UP A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE VAULTS IN OTHER LOCATIONS, UM, WHERE IT'S REQUIRED FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, OTHER REASONS, UM, AND THEY'RE NOT OPTIMAL, RIGHT? BECAUSE NOW YOU'VE GOT ALL THIS EQUIPMENT THAT GETS RELATIVELY HOT, THAT NEEDS TO BE VENTED, UM, BELOW GROUND. 
          AND ALSO, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE RAINS AND OTHER THINGS, THERE'S SOME PUMPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT ARE, THAT ARE PUT IN PLACE IN ORDER TO KEEP THE EQUIPMENT RUNNING, IF THERE ARE HEAVY RAINS, BUT LIKE ANYTHING ELSE, THINGS HAPPEN. 
          AND, AND, AND THERE ARE FAILURES. 
          UM, SO I I'D WANT YOU TO BE AWARE OF THAT. 
          IT'S, IT'S MUCH MORE RELIABLE FOR US TO BE ABOVE GROUND. 
          UM, WE ALSO HAVE A BACKUP GENERATOR. 
          UM, THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THIS INSTALLATION, WHICH IS THERE FOR, YOU KNOW, UM, POWER OUTAGES, WHICH IS GREAT FOR FIRSTNET AND BAND 14 USE. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU HAD ASKED, IS IT POSSIBLE FOR US TO VOLT? SURE. 
          I WOULD ASSUME, YOU KNOW, UM, IF WE, YOU KNOW, UH, REALLY SPENT A LOT OF TIME CUTTING INTO AND DIGGING INTO THE PROPERTY, UM, THERE'S A POSSIBILITY, BUT WE'LL HAVE A SITE THAT I THINK IS LESS RELIABLE. 
          UM, GIVEN THOSE, THOSE RESTRAINTS AND, AND, UM, RESTRICTIONS ON OUR EQUIPMENT. 
          WE ALSO HAVE THE WATER, UH, VALENCIA WATER COMPANY, UH, IS HERE AS WELL. 
          WE HAVEN'T TALKED TO THEM ANY FURTHER AS TO, YOU KNOW, WOULD THEY ALLOW US TO EXCAVATE, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS HUGE CHUNK OF AREA IN ORDER TO SHORE IT UP. 
          THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER QUESTION, BUT, UM, I DO WANT TO THROW IN ONE MORE THING, CAUSE I KNOW THAT I WATCHED THE HEARING, UM, FROM OCTOBER 26TH, THEN, UM, YOUR POINT REGARDING THE ABOVE GROUND FACILITY WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, CONCERNS REGARDING GRAFFITI. 
          AND SO, UM, I, I HAD A CONVERSATION EARLIER AND, AND WE, UM, ALSO COMMUNICATED PREVIOUSLY WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER, UM, ABOUT GRAFFITI AND THEY HAVEN'T HAD GRAFFITI ISSUES THERE. 
          THEY DO HAVE SOMEONE THAT'S ON SITE USUALLY ONCE A DAY. 
          AND SO AT AND T WE'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY, UM, AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, UM, THAT YOU GUYS CAN ADD, UM, ASKING US TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, GRAFFITI REMOVED IN THE 72 HOUR PERIOD OF, YOU KNOW, UH, NOTIFICATION, YOU KNOW, AND THAT WOULD HELP TO ALLEVIATE. 
          AND ALSO, SORRY, BUT WE ALSO INCLUDED THE, UH, THE VINES, RIGHT. 
          WHICH MAKE IT BE HARD TO DO ANYTHING IN THE FIRST PLACE. 
          SO SURE. 
          I, I, I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT I DID BRING UP, BUT THERE IS A, UH, ANOTHER CONCERN AND FRANKLY, IT, IT DEALS WITH THE PUBLIC SAFETY ASPECT OF THINGS. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THIS, THIS WILL EVER HAPPEN IN OUR CITY. 
          GOD FORBID KNOCK ON WOOD AND EVERYTHING, BUT, YOU KNOW, ABOVE GROUND VOLTS ARE CERTAINLY MUCH MORE SUSCEPTIBLE TO SABOTAGE OR ANY NUMBER OF THINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN. 
          UM, WHEREAS UNDERGROUNDING, WHICH IS HOW WE HAVE IN THAT AREA, THE ENTIRE CITY WITH REGARD TO UTILITIES. 
          UM, I, I, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY WE WOULD WANT TO HAVE AN ABOVE GROUND UTILITY, UH, AREA AND, AND, AND THE SAME THING GOES WITH THE GENERATOR. 
          I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE GENERATOR WOULD BE ABOVE GROUND. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I SEE IS POTENTIALLY PROBLEMATIC, BUT, UM, ALL, ALL, ALL RESERVE MY CONFIDENCE. 
          DID YOU WANT TO FURTHER ANSWER TO THE SAFETY? UM, SO DO YOUR QUESTION ON THE GENERATOR. 
          YEAH. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN SPEAK TO THAT. 
          I'VE NEVER, UM, I USED TO WORK ON THE NETWORK SIDE. 
          I DON'T RECALL EVER SEEING AN UNDERGROUND GENERATOR. 
          I MEAN, AGAIN, THERE'S, UM, HEATING, COOLING ERROR ISSUES AND WHATNOT, UM, AND REALLY SUSCEPTIBILITY TO FLOODING, UM, YOU KNOW, IN HEAVY RAINS IS, IS A PROBLEM. 
          SO IF THE GENERATOR WAS THAT, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY UP ON THAT HILL, I THINK YOU HAVE, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALSO PLANTING EUCALYPTUS TREES IN THERE TO HELP YOU TO FIND LEAVES INTO PLUGGING THINGS IN. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE ISSUES THAT, THAT DO, UM, COME FROM THAT, THE FACILITY THAT WE'RE PROPOSING I BELIEVE IS, UH, LIKE, UH, IT'S A STANDARD ABOVE GROUND WALK-IN CABINET. 
          OKAY. 
          COMPLETELY ENCLOSED. 
          AND THEN THERE'S A CMU WALL ENCLOSURE, UM, AROUND IT AS WELL. 
          UM, AND THEN IN REGARDS TO THE STRUCTURAL ASPECT, UM, 18 T DOES SUBMIT SOIL, UM, REPORTS AS WELL AS STRUCTURAL REPORT, UM, TO THE BUILDING AND SAFETY DEPARTMENT. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE ALL STANDARD IN REGARDS TO ANY SAFETY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY, UM, YOU KNOW, WE AT THIS JUNCTURE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE GONE THROUGH, WE'VE RUN IT BY OUR ENGINEERS AND THEY'VE TOLD US IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IS, IS VIABLE AT THIS POINT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IF WE WERE TO RECONSTRUCT PART OF THAT MOUNTAIN OR THE HILL, THEN, THEN IT MAY BE, BUT THAT, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT, UH, THAT, UM, THAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO AT THIS POINT, 
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I BELIEVE ACTUALLY IN SORRY, JESSICA IS THE FACILITY, UM, ENCLOSED WITH THAT FENCES AND THEIR OFFENSE THAT SURROUNDS THE WATER FACILITY. 
          YES. 
          THE ENTIRE FACILITIES, UH, ENCLOSED. 
          AND AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE PHOTO SIMS, YOU CANNOT SEE THE EQUIPMENT AND CLOSURE FROM ANY OF THE VIEW. 
          UM, EVEN THE ONES ON TOP, AND THEN AS WELL AS, UH, WHERE THERE IS CHAIN LINK FENCE. 
          THERE'S ONLY ONE SECTION OF THE FIELD DOWN HERE. 
          WE ARE, UH, PLANTING NEW TREES AS WELL AS NEW VINES. 
          THEN THAT'S NOT, YOU CAN'T SEE IT AS WELL. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          I GOT THAT. 
          SORRY. 
          UM, CAN YOU CONFIRM THE COVERAGE GAPS? IS THERE COVERAGE, JUST NOT ALL THE FIVE BARS ON THE FOAM OR THERE'S COMPLETELY NO COVERAGE IN THE AREAS YOU'RE INDICATING ON YOUR MAPS? SO, SO, UM, YOU KNOW, PER THOSE MAPS, THE AREAS THAT ARE NOT GREEN, IF YOU WERE TO WALK INTO YOUR HOME, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SUSTAIN A STANDARD COVERAGE. 
          SO YOU, YOU MAY DROP YOUR CALL. 
          YOU MAY, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU HAVE AN APP OR SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S GOING ON IN THE BACKGROUND, IT, IT MAY STOP THAT IT'S NOT CONSISTENT AND IT'S LIKELY NOT TO WORK. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE A PHONE CALL FROM YOUR HOME AND HOW MANY, HOW MANY HOUSEHOLDS ARE AFFECTED BY THAT SPECIFIC ISSUE. 
          I DON'T KNOW, SPECIFICALLY, I THINK, UM, DID WE EVER PROVIDE A NUMBER IS THAT THEY WEREN'T ALLOWED TO GIVE US A NUMBER OF THAT? YEAH. 
          AND SO ALSO, I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN FOCUSING ON INDOOR AND BUILDING COVERAGE, WHICH IS YOUR HOME AND OTHER BUILDINGS AND FACILITIES. 
          THERE'S ALSO IN CAR COVERAGE TOO. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND YOU'VE GOT SOME RELATIVELY DECENT SIZED STREETS THERE. 
          YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE COMMUNICATING AND YOU'VE GOT OTHER DEVICES THAT ARE UTILIZING SERVICE. 
          AND SO, UM, THAT'S ANOTHER CONSIDERATION WE CONSIDER. 
          THAT'S CONCLUDES MY QUESTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I ACTUALLY LIKE TO ADD ANOTHER QUESTION SINCE YOU'RE UP THERE TOO. 
          COMMISSIONER LEWIS, UM, UNDERGROUND VOTE, NO, REGARDING THIS FACILITY, IF I ACTUALLY WAS FORTUNATE TO BE ABLE TO WALK IN, BECAUSE ONE DAY I WAS THERE AND THE GATE WAS OPEN AND TO MY SURPRISE, THE ENTIRE POOL ON THE GATE, ON THE WEST SIDE, NOT POOL, SORRY, IT'S THE TANK, THE HUGE HUMONGOUS TWO WATER TANK, AS YOU WERE WALKING UP, IT'S ACTUALLY UNDERGROUND. 
          IT'S, IT'S SUNK IN ON THAT HILLSIDE. 
          SO IT'S SORT OF LIKE BURY IN THERE VERSUS ON A DRIVEWAY THAT YOU'RE DRIVING UP, YOU SEE ROUGHLY 8, 6, 8 FEET OR SO OF THE TANK ITSELF. 
          SO THERE'S HUMONGOUS TANK. 
          I HONESTLY, IF I WAS NOT LOOKING FOR A WATER TANK, I WOULDN'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A WATER TANK THERE BECAUSE HALF OF IT WAS, IT WAS SUNK INTO THE GROUND. 
          AND THE DISSIDENT BETWEEN GRANT, YOU, YOU, YOU'VE MENTIONED QUITE A FEW TIME. 
          THAT IS THE FLOODING ISSUES. 
          THAT'S WHY YOU CAN'T PUT THE EQUIPMENT UNDERGROUND. 
          NOW DID THIS ONE ISSUE, OR ONE REASON, SORRY, SOME OF THE EQUIPMENT OR THE UNDERGROUND, UM, FACILITIES WHERE THE EQUIPMENT THAT YOU NEEDED THAT HAS TO BE ABOVE GROUND. 
          I GUESS MY QUESTION IS THE DISTANCE BETWEEN BRONCOS TO CITRUS OR SO IS THAT 50 FEET DROP. 
          AND THAT, THAT, THAT PARTICULAR WATER TANK AREA IS A MUCH HIGHER ELEVATION. 
          AND THEN THE PARK. 
          SO DESPITE THE FACT THAT YOU ARE PUTTING THIS PARTICULAR SMALL FACILITY UNDERGROUND, YOU CAN PIPE IT OUT SO THAT IT WOULD FLOW NATURALLY GOING DOWNHILL. 
          AND IT CONTINUE GOING DOWNHILL TO CITRUS. 
          SO-SO FROM BARRANCA TO CITRUS IS A 50 FEET DROP ALSO. 
          AND YOU GOT A WAY ABOVE THAT. 
          SO THERE'S NO WAY OF CONTAINING THE WATER THERE. 
          WHAT'S HOLDING IT BACK. 
          SO WHEN YOU MENTIONED THAT FLOODING IS AN ISSUES, I JUST, I'M NOT SEEING THAT SINCE IT'S SITTING ON A HILLSIDE AND EVEN THE TANK ITSELF, IF THERE ARE SOME COSTS OR SOME ISSUES WITH THE TANK ITSELF, THE WATER JUST GOING TO FLOW DOWNHILL, AND IT CONTINUE GOING DOWN OFF ON GRANT AND GO DOWN TO THE OCEAN. 
          SO I GUESS MY QUESTION TO YOU IS HOW IS IT THAT YOU CANNOT FIND PIPE OR SOMETHINGS TO SOMETHING THAT'S UP ON THE HILL TO DRAIN THAT PROBABLY EIGHT BY EIGHT BOX, I BELIEVE, RIGHT? IT'S, IT'S ALMOST THE SIZE OF A SHED. 
          SO, AND THE OTHER THING IS TO BE GONE IN CONFETTI'S, UM, HATE TO SAY THIS, THAT WE HAVE BEEN HAVING GRAFFITI ISSUES, AND WE DON'T KNOW WHERE IT COMES FROM, BUT 
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ON THE STREETS, ON THE ASPHALT, ON THE WASH, ANYTHING, EVEN IN THE, UM, THERE IS CHANGING FENCE AND WE DO LIVE AROUND EVEN THE GOLF COURSE, WHAT HAVE THE HAVE CHANGED AND FENCE OF PEOPLE IN MANAGED TO FIND AND DUG THEIR WAY IN THERE, PULL OUT THE FENCES AND JUST GO IN OR ABOVE IT. 
          SO SOMEHOW WE, WE, WE, OUR CONCERN ONCE, ONCE IT'S BUILT IS JUST A NICE, GREAT WONG, QUIET PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO DO THEIR ARTWORK, IF YOU CAN CALL IT AN ARTWORK. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE THING THAT I LIKE FOR YOU TO SEE IF YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YOU CAN'T STOP THAT. 
          I'VE HAD A WASH. 
          I LIVE IN BACKUP FOR LIKE 200 FEET OR SO. 
          AND ONE TIME THEY DREW THE WHOLE WASH, I MEAN THE WHOLE 200 OR SOMETHING, FEET OF THE WASH. 
          AND THEY GAVE ME NICE, GREAT, BRIGHT BLUE COFFEES THAT I HAVE TO LOOK AT IT FOR YEARS TO COME. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING WE GUARDING GAP IS IN THE REPORT I READ IT SAID SIGNIFICANTLY COVERAGE GAP COMMISSIONER, HANK, CAN I, CAN, I KNOW YOU HAVE VERY GOOD QUESTIONS. 
          MAYBE WE SHOULD LET HIM ANSWER ONE AT A TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL GO BACK TO THE, THE, THE VAULTS AND THEN THE GRAFFITI, AND THEN WE'LL GO. 
          SO THE VAULTS, UM, I DON'T MEAN TO SAY THAT THAT IT'S INFEASIBLE BECAUSE OF FLOODING. 
          I'M JUST MENTIONING THAT IN THE PAST, WE'VE HAD ISSUES WITH THAT. 
          AND THAT'S ONE CONCERN THAT, THAT WE LOOK AT AND WE TAKE VERY SERIOUSLY. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE DRAINAGE AND RUNNING A PIPE. 
          I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT TYPICALLY WHAT WE DO. 
          IT'S A, IT'S A, SELF-CONTAINED COMPLETELY SEALED VAULTED SEALED AT THE TOP, AND IT'S GOT A HATCH. 
          UM, IF YOU'VE GOT A SLOPE THAT'S RUNNING DOWN INTO IT AND IT ALSO HAS VENTING, UM, THEN THAT WATER TYPICALLY COULD GET INTO THE VAULT. 
          AND SO I DON'T KNOW THE TERRAIN AS WELL AS YOU DO, UNFORTUNATELY, BUT THAT IS A CONCERN. 
          IT'S NOT A, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THE ABSOLUTE REASON WHY NOT TO DO IT. 
          UM, BUT, UH, I WILL GO BACK, YOU KNOW, THE FACILITY ITSELF THAT WE'VE PROPOSED, THE CMU BLOCK WALL IS PAINTED WITH AN ANTI-GRAFFITI PAINT. 
          SO WHEN YOU ACTUALLY GO TO SPRAY PAINT ON IT, IT BEADS UP AND IT DOESN'T STICK. 
          UM, AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, WE'RE ALSO PLACING THE VINES, RIGHT. 
          THAT, UM, THAT WILL MAINTAIN IN A LOT OF GROW, WHICH MAKES IT ALSO LESS ATTRACTIVE TO, TO SPRAY. 
          AND WE'RE ALSO, UM, DID THAT SAME POINT, VERY HAPPY TO HAVE YOU GUYS INCLUDE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT REQUIRES US TO REMOVE ANY GRAFFITI, RIGHT. 
          THAT, THAT, THAT HAPPENS. 
          AND WE HAVE THE PROPERTY OWNER THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IS THERE ON A DAILY BASIS, RIGHT. 
          SO IF THEY SEE SOMETHING THEY'LL LET US KNOW AND, UM, WE'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE CARE OF THAT. 
          SO I, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS. 
          I'M NOT, UM, TRYING TO, UH, JUST SAY THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, THERE ISN'T A GRAFFITI IN THAT AREA OR IT WON'T BE, UM, I DON'T KNOW, BUT WE DO HAVE, YOU KNOW, QUITE A FEW MEASURES IN PLACE TO HELP MITIGATE ANYTHING AND CORRECT IT IF IT DOES HAPPEN. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I GUESS TO MY THIRD QUESTION, THIS IS ADDING TO COMMISSION LEWIS' QUESTION, ADDING ON SOME MORE IS BE REGARDING THE GAP BECAUSE IN HERE, BEGINNING OF THE ENGINEER, THEY REALLY EMPHASIZE ON THE SIGNIFICANT COVERAGE. 
          SURE. 
          YEP. 
          NOW IT DID NOT SAY THAT THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT GAP. 
          IT'S A COVERAGE GAP. 
          SO I GUESS, HOW DID YOU DEFINE, IF YOU CAN DEFINE THAT FOR ME, WHAT IS SIGNIFICANT GAP AND WHAT IS THE COVERAGE GAP? AND ALSO WE GOT ON INDOOR OUTDOOR IN TRANSIT, IN A CAR. 
          I GUESS THE QUESTION COMES IN IS IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH IT CAUSE THEY LIVED THERE FOR YEARS AND MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY, THE OWNER THERE HAVE HALF AN ACRE TO THREE ACRES AND SOME ARE EVEN MORE. 
          SO I GUESS THE QUESTION COMES IN IS HOW MANY RESCUE AMINO RESIDENTS ARE BEING AFFECTED. 
          UM, CAN YOU HELP ME, UM, PULL UP THE MAP ON THE, UM, IF YOU KEEP PULLING IT UP, UM, I'M SORRY, WHICH MAP? UH, IF YOU KEEP GOING THE, THE YES. 
          THE RADIUS MAP. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO NICE. 
          SEPARATE PRESENTATION IT'S AT THE BEGINNING. 
          UH, THE MAILING RATE IS MA'AM. 
          YES, PLEASE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT, THAT WAY IT IS, WHICH IS THE RED LINE IS BASICALLY THE MAILING THAT'S BEING SENT OUT TO ALL THE RESIDENTS IN WEST COVINA. 
          ACCORDING TO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE TWO HOME THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE GREEN, WHICH IS THE PARK AREA TO THE EAST, WOULD BE RESIDENTIAL FOR WEST COVINA. 
          ANYTHING ELSE TO THE EAST OF THAT IS NOT 
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WEST COVINA AND ALSO THE, ON THE, UH, SOUTH SIDE, WHICH IS OF THE CIRCLE, WHICH IS ON THE BOTTOM PORTION. 
          SO IT'S LIKE 1, 2, 3, 4, POSSIBLY FIVE OR SIX OF THEM IS BELONG TO WEST COVINA. 
          SO A TOTAL OF 6, 7, 6, POSSIBLY EIGHT, EIGHT HOMES. 
          SO BASICALLY TWO OF THEM TO THE EAST, IT'S ACTUALLY WEST COVINA, ACTUALLY ONE BECAUSE ONE OF THEM BELONGS TO VALENCIA HEIGHT, WHICH IS THE EXACT LAW THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, PUTTING THE EQUIPMENT AND THE ONE NORTH OF THAT THAT'S WEST COVINA. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? EAST OF THAT? I BELIEVE IT'S LA COUNTY. 
          IT'S NOT WHAT'S COMING OUT AT ALL OR WALNUT. 
          NO, I THINK IT'S LA COUNTY IT'S COUNTY LAND. 
          IT BELONGS TO LA COUNTY UNINCORPORATED AREA OF LA COUNTY. 
          SO IF YOU LOOK AT TO THE SOUTH OF IT, WHICH IS A LITTLE SLIVER OF THAT, GREEN IS WEST CAMINO OWN ANYTHING BELOW THAT, WHICH IS THE SOUTH SIDE, WHICH IS 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 LOTS. 
          YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. 
          CAN YOU POINT IT TO THE SELF? THE LOT THAT, THE FIVE LOTS ONE, WAIT THERE ONE, TWO, YES. 
          THOSE THE FIVE LOTS. 
          THOSE ARE WEST COVINA. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO REALLY LIKE SIX, SIX RESIDENTS OR RESIDENTS WAS NOTIFIED DUE TO THE RADIUS MAP THAT W THAT WAS BY CODE THAT WE HAVE TO NOTIFY WEST COVINA. 
          SO I GUESS MY QUESTION COMES IN IS THAT WHOLE AREA AND THE COVERAGE YOU MENTIONED, IT'S NOT SIGNIFICANT GAP THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          IT'S A COVERAGE GAP, SIGNIFICANT COVERAGE GAPS. 
          SO THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO FURTHER, YOU'RE SAYING SIGNIFICANT GAP AND SIGNIFICANT COVERAGE GAP. 
          I SEE, UH, IN, IN, IN THE REPORT, IN THE REPORT, IT BASICALLY, AND YOU ALSO STATED THAT IT'S SIGNIFICANT COVERAGE GAP. 
          SURE. 
          SO THE COVERAGE GAP FOR WEST COVINA, I GUESS THE QUESTION COMES IN IS HOW MANY PEOPLE, WELL, HOW MANY RESIDENTS ARE BEING AFFECTED IN, IN THIS, IN, IN THE WEST COVINA AREA AND YOUR QUESTION. 
          SO I CAN, I, CAN, I LIKE TO START OFF BY SAYING THE, UM, NOTIFICATION RADIUS HAS NOTHING REALLY TO DO WITH, WELL, IT DOESN'T DEPICT OUR COVERAGE AREA, RIGHT? SO BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE FIVE OR SIX HOMES, THERE DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE ONLY COVERING FIVE OR SIX HOMES. 
          IT TRAVELS MUCH, MUCH FURTHER, RIGHT? I DON'T HAVE DATA ON HOW MANY SPECIFIC HOMES AND WE DON'T RELEASE, UH, INDIVIDUAL, YOU KNOW, CUSTOMER DATA OR OUR INFORMATION. 
          WE LOOK AT, WE, WE, WE USE ROBUST TOOLS, RIGHT? WE'VE GOT, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, MODELS AND PROPAGATION MAPS AND OTHER TOOLS THAT WE USE TO GO AHEAD AND DETERMINE WHERE WE NEED A SITE, RIGHT. 
          WE DON'T BUILD SITES WHERE IT'S NEEDED. 
          AND SO THOSE, THOSE TESTS THAT YOU SAW ON, SORRY, ON THE PROPAGATION MAPS, THE, THE DIFFERENT READINGS AND STUFF IN BUILDING, UM, OUTDOOR AND IN CAR ARE ALL BASED OFF OF THOSE, THOSE, THOSE MODELS. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND SO, UM, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF SCIENCE THAT GOES INTO THAT, UM, THAT, THAT, THAT WE UTILIZE. 
          UM, SO I GUESS BACK TO YOUR QUESTION, I GUESS I WAS LIKE, SO AT THE END OF THE DAY IS I WANTED TO KNOW HOW MANY RESIDENTS, HOW MANY WEST COVINA RESIDENTS HAVE BEING COVERAGE, OR DO YOU CALL IT THE SIGNIFICANT COVERAGE GAP ARE BEING AFFECTED FOR THAT GENERAL AREA? THAT'S THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW HOW MANY RESONANT WAS COVINA IS BEING AFFECTED. 
          UM, THAT'S ONE, THE OTHER THING IS THAT THE SIGNIFICANT, I LIKE TO ALSO KNOW BEGINNING THE SIGNIFICANT GAP, A SIGNIFICANT GAP. 
          I JUST WANTED TO KNOW SIGNIFICANTLY HOW MANY RESIDENTS HAVE A DROP CALL, WHETHER IT'S INDOOR, OUTDOOR IN A CAR ANYWHERE. 
          I JUST LIKE TO KNOW IN THAT AREA, IF A PERSON WERE TO ANY WEST GREEN RESIDENTS OR ANY GUESTS THAT COMES INTO THAT GENERAL AREA, HOW MANY HAS A DROPPED CALL, NOT GETTING ANY RECEPTION WHATSOEVER? SURE. 
          WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S HARD, RIGHT? BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE NOT GOING INTO INDIVIDUAL HOMES WITH, WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, RF SIGNAL METERS TO, TO VERIFY EACH INDIVIDUAL HOME. 
          WE'VE GOT THIS DATA THAT WE USE ACROSS THE ENTIRE COUNTRY, UM, THAT IS EXTREMELY RELIABLE. 
          BUT BACK TO YOUR ORIGINAL QUESTION ABOUT THE NUMBER OF HOMES WE DON'T, UH, SHARE THAT INFORMATION. 
          AND WE WEREN'T PREPARED TO COUNT INDIVIDUAL HOMES THAT WE THOUGHT MIGHT BE, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, COVERED BY THIS SPECIFIC, UH, SITE. 
          YOU CAN SEE WITH THE PROPAGATION MAPS, YOU CAN KIND OF OUTLINE SPECIFIC AREAS BASED OFF OF THE DARK GREEN AND LOOK AT STREETS AND WHATNOT, AND KIND OF GET A FEEL, BUT, UM, BACK TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT A SIGNIFICANT 
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GAP AND, UH, COVERAGE. 
          SO, UM, AND, AND DROPPED CALLS. 
          SO DROPPED CALLS IS, IS NOT SOMETHING THAT, UM, THAT WE UTILIZE VERY MUCH NOT BEING ABLE TO MAKE A CALL WOULDN'T SHOW UP ON A DROPPED CALL LOG, RIGHT? SO IF YOU'RE IN YOUR HOME AND YOU CAN'T MAKE A CALL, THERE IS NO DROPPED CALLS. 
          SO IT ISN'T REALLY A VERY RELIABLE METRIC. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT YOU'D BE ABLE TO MAKE A CALL FROM EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE, THOSE HOMES RELIABLY ALL THE TIME. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, I PROBABLY NOT, RIGHT. 
          THAT'S THE REASON WHY THEY'RE SHOWN IN, IN, IN, YOU KNOW, PURPLE AND YELLOW, BECAUSE THE DB LEVEL THAT WE PREDICT THEY'RE GIVEN THE TRAIN AND THE DISTANCE FROM THE EXISTING SITE IS LOW. 
          SO, UM, I UNDERSTAND, AND I, AND I WATCHED THE PREVIOUS HEARING THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, QUESTIONS REGARDING, YOU KNOW, THE DROPPED CALLS AND, AND HOW WE CAN SORT OF JUSTIFY THIS FOR WEST COVINA RESIDENTS. 
          AND I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          I MEAN, I IT'S, IT'S SOME COMMUNITIES LOOK AT THIS AS A, AS A BENEFIT BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE GETTING, YOU KNOW, 5G OR 4G, LTE SERVICE, YOU'RE GETTING, YOU KNOW, RELIABILITY, YOU'RE ABLE TO MAKE CALLS, YOU'RE CONNECTED CARS AND VEHICLES AND ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF ARE NOW WORKING PROPERLY. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, AND RELIABLY, RELIABLY, UM, OTHER PEOPLE, UH, DON'T NECESSARILY NEED THAT COVERAGE, BUT, UM, THERE ARE FOLKS THAT TRAVEL IN AND OUT THERE, GUESTS THAT COME TO OTHER PEOPLE'S HOMES, THERE'S, THERE'S ALL SORTS OF. 
          SO, SO JUST GOING AHEAD AND IDENTIFY INDIVIDUAL HOMES, ISN'T A VERY GOOD METRICS FOR, YOU KNOW, A NEED FOR A CELL SITE, RIGHT. 
          AGAIN, BACK TO THE FIRSTNET, RIGHT. 
          WE DON'T HAVE A BAND 14 SITE IN THAT AREA. 
          SO THERE IS NO, WE CAN'T EVEN SHOW YOU A PROPAGATION MAP BECAUSE THERE IS NO BAND FORTS AND COVERAGE THERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND SO, UM, I'M SORRY, THERE'S NO BAND 14, WHICH IS OUR FIRST NET FIRST RESPONDER NETWORK. 
          UH, IT'S A, IT'S A SEPARATE BAND, UH, THAT WE UTILIZE THAT'S SPECIFICALLY FOR, SINCE YOU MENTIONED REGARDING THE FIRST RESPONDER, HOW MANY CELL TOWER AROUND THAT AREA? NOT, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE 18 AND YOU PROBABLY KNOW WHAT OTHER FACILITY THAT PEOPLE MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE, MAY HAVE, OR MAY NOT HAVE. 
          SO JUST THE SURROUNDING AREA, I THINK YOU'VE PINPOINTED CERTAIN AREA THAT HAS THAT. 
          WELL, TRIPLE CIRCLE CIRCLES WHERE THE GREEN, YOU SEE OBVIOUSLY WHERE THE DARK GREEN IS, THAT'S GOING TO BE MORE, A CELL SITE IS BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE IT HAS BEEN COVERAGE. 
          OH, THERE'S ONE. 
          I MEAN, AS YOU CAN SEE, SO WHICH ONE WOULD BE THE CLOSEST TO THE RED DOT THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW? YOU'D HAVE TO, I MEAN, YEAH. 
          YOU'D HAVE TO W WE DIDN'T COME PREPARED WITH MEASUREMENTS AND WHATNOT, SO I DON'T WANT, AND JUST TO HELP ANSWER THAT QUESTION, PUBLIC SAFETY HAS HAVE THEIR OWN PUBLIC SAFETY TOWERS, AND I BELIEVE THE WEST KOREAN POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND I BELIEVE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WOULD RUN OFF A DIGITAL RADIO. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? CITY STAFF? ACTUALLY MY ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION, BUT I KNOW WE HAVE A RADIO TOWER, UM, ON THE CITY PROPERTY ADJACENT TO THE LAND, THE BKK SITE, CORRECT? YEAH. 
          AND IT'S DIGITAL TRANSMITTED, SO IT'S NOT AN ADDED LOG. 
          SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE A NAVON SYSTEM IN THE CITY OF WEST COVINA AND GIVE THE BEST SYSTEMS THAT YOU SAID, UH, IN EVENTS. 
          SO LIKE, UM, EXCUSE ME, LIKE LAPD AND SO FORTH. 
          THEY USE THE ANALOG STILL. 
          SO, UH, WEST COVINA USES DIGITAL, WHICH IS A HIGHER, HIGHER, A MORE RELIABLE SERVICE. 
          YOU CAN STAFF PLEASE EXPLAIN TO THE COMMISSION AND THE PUBLIC. 
          I THINK THEY WOULD WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS FIRSTNET. 
          I MEAN, HOW DOES THAT COMPARE TO WHAT WE HAVE? I'M NOT SURE I'D BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY ANSWER THAT QUESTION FOR YOU, BUT IT IS A SERVICE THAT PUBLIC SAFETY USES AND THEY'RE USING A DIFFERENT TYPE OF IT USING A DIGITAL AND VIDEO TRANSMISSION, OR THEY'RE NOT GOING TO USE THAT TOWER TO COMMUTE, TO GO ON THE RADIO AND COMMUNICATE THEY HAVE THEIR OWN, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN DESIGNATED TOWER FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, AND IT'S ON ADJACENT TO THE BKK LANDFILL, LIKE PAULINA MENTIONED. 
          AND I ALSO HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU. 
          UH, WHAT DO YOU ALSO, UH, CONFIRM THAT IF THERE WAS, FOR SOME REASON, A A-LIST COVERAGE AREA THERE THAT WHILE YOU'RE ON YOUR HOME, UH, MOST FOAMS LIKE THE APPLE IPHONE, YOU COULD, UM, BE ABLE TO DO WIFI CALLING. 
          SO WHAT IT DOES IS USE YOUR PHONE CONNECTION, PLUS YOUR WIFI CONNECTION AND COMBINE THAT SERVICE. 
          SO YOU CAN HAVE A BETTER NETWORK COVERAGE. 
          SO IF YOU HAD TO CALL ON NINE ONE, ONE, UH, THAT YOU, YOU COMBINING THOSE TWO 
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SERVICES, IT'S ACTUALLY, IT'S, IT'S A RELIABLE SERVICE THAT MOST PHONE CARRIERS LIKE APPLE, UH, PROVIDE AND SAMSUNG ANDROID FOAMS, THAT IS AN OPTION. 
          AND A LOT OF FOLKS USE THAT. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S A RELIABLE OPTION ENTIRELY. 
          I'M NOT HERE TO SPEAK TO THAT. 
          UM, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY BE CONNECTED IN YOUR HOME AND YOU STEP OUT AND YOU DROP YOUR WIFI CONNECTION. 
          AND SO YOUR CALL WAS THERE FOR DROPPED. 
          UM, BUT THAT IS, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS AN OPTION. 
          RIGHT. 
          THANK BUT AGAIN, RIGHT. 
          SO COVERAGE, SIGNIFICANT GAP, UM, WE'RE HERE TO FILL AN AREA THAT, THAT, THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED THROUGH. 
          OUR MODELING HAS, UH, YOU KNOW, POOR COVERAGE FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE FROM, AT T AND T, RIGHT. 
          UM, WE'VE BEEN DEVELOPING OUR NETWORK NOW FOR, FOR DECADES. 
          UM, AND AS MORE AND MORE USERS, UM, SUBSCRIBERS, UM, YOU KNOW, START, UH, JOINING OUR NETWORK OR, YOU KNOW, SUBSCRIBERS ADD NEW DEVICES AND DEVICES UTILIZE MORE AND MORE, UH, BANDWIDTH, RIGHT? THE FOOTPRINT OF ALL THOSE EXISTING CELLS, THEY SLOWLY SORT OF SHRINK, RIGHT? IT'S LIKE A HOSE. 
          YOU ONLY HAVE SO MUCH THAT YOU CAN, YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, LET OUT, AND IF YOU'VE GOT MORE PEOPLE KIND OF USING IT, THAT FOOTPRINT SHRINKS. 
          AND SO, UM, THIS IS ALSO ANOTHER MEANS TO HELP FIX THAT. 
          AND YOU'LL SEE IN THOSE COVERAGE MAPS, AS WE, UH, YOU KNOW, ADD THIS NEW SITE, THE OTHER AREAS ARE OFFLOADED. 
          SO THERE'S IMPROVED COVERAGE AND OTHER AREAS THAT AREN'T DIRECTLY NEAR THIS SITE. 
          SO THERE THERE'S A LOT OF BENEFITS THAT COME FROM IT. 
          UM, AND I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THE FOCUS ON, UM, YOU KNOW, INDIVIDUAL HOMES AND WHATNOT, GO BACK TO WHAT I SAID EARLIER. 
          THESE ARE PROPAGATIONS, YOU KNOW, ONE HOME MAY BE ABOVE ANOTHER HOME. 
          THERE MAY BE A HOME BLOCKING ANOTHER HOME. 
          SO THIS HOME GETS THE COVERAGE BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S GOT A DIRECT LINE OF SIGHT, BUT IT, YOU KNOW, THE SIGNAL DOESN'T GO THROUGH THE WALLS OF THAT HOME, TO THE NEXT HOME BEHIND IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          THERE'S ALL SORTS OF ISSUES. 
          WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT RF PROPAGATION, THAT'S DONE THROUGH THOSE MODELING, UH, YOU KNOW, PROCESS AND ALL YOUR MODELING IN NONE OF YOUR MODELING SHOWS A ZERO COVERAGE AREA OR CORRECT. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE AREA THAT I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A LOW, LOW FREQUENCY AREA, BUT IN YOUR MAPPING, AND ALSO ON THE FCCS REP SIDE HAS SHOWS IT ACTUALLY SHOWS COVERAGE. 
          SO THE ONLY DIFFERENCES THAT YOU'RE IDEALLY WANTING TO MAKE THAT COVERAGE STRONGER, CORRECT? NO, THAT'S NOT CORRECT. 
          SO THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT COVERAGE GAP AS SHOWN BY THE MAP THERE, UM, YOU KNOW, IN BUILDING COVERAGE IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT IN BUILT IN CAR COVERAGE IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. 
          UM, AND THAT'S LACKING CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW. 
          SO THERE'S DEFINITELY A SIGNIFICANT GAP THAT WE'RE HERE TO, TO FIX. 
          AND THAT'S WHY WE CAME TO YOU AND ASKING YOU FOR CAN CITY STAFF ZOOM INTO A MAP ON THE LEFT? UM, I CAN TRY, LET'S SEE. 
          OOPS. 
          IT WAS ALSO AN ATTACHMENT PROVIDED ON THE AGENDA. 
          THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A BETTER IMAGE, MORE BLOWN UP. 
          WE WANT TO DO THIS, RIGHT? THIS ONE, UH, BEF YEAH, THE ONE ON THE LEFT THOUGH. 
          THAT'S COVERAGE BEFORE COVERAGE AS, AS IS NOW. 
          YEAH. 
          THE ONE ON THE LEFT WHILE WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE COVERAGE MAP, UM, OR THE COVERAGE HAVE A GOOD QUESTION THOUGH. 
          IF I HAVE AN 18 T AND I'M A CUSTOMER SERVICE CUSTOMER FOR AT AND T OR T-MOBILE OR VERIZON, IF I WERE TO ASK, WHERE ARE THE DROP CALLS? THEIR CUSTOMER SERVICE CAN PROVIDE THE INFORMATION TO EACH INDIVIDUAL CUSTOMERS, BUT WOULD THAT BE FAIR TO SAY, LIKE, IF I WERE TO SIGN UP FOR 18 T UM, WOULD A T AND T BE ABLE TO PROVIDE TO ME THAT YOUR AREA HAD NO SERVICE? SO I DON'T, I APOLOGIZE. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN ANSWER THAT FULLY. 
          I DON'T WORK IN A RETAIL SECTION, BUT TYPICALLY WHEN YOU GO INTO A STORE AND YOU ARE LOOKING TO ADD, YOU KNOW, AS A, AS A CUSTOMER FOR AT AND T OR ANY OTHER PROVIDER, WE DO HAVE MAPS THAT WE UTILIZE, THEY GIVE YOU A GENERAL IDEA. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT THEY DON'T, WE DON'T ZOOM IN THIS SORT OF, YOU KNOW, DETAIL LEVEL. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          TYPICALLY ON THE WEBSITE OR WHEN I HAVE A QUESTIONS, WOULD YOU CALL THEM? BUT THEY PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO THEIR CUSTOMER. 
          LIKE IF I'M A CUSTOMER, IT CAN PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION. 
          WELL, WE PROVIDE IS WHAT, 
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UH, WHAT YOU GUYS ARE ABLE TO SEE, WHICH YOU MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THE FCC MAPS, THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT, YEAH. 
          SO THAT'S THE MAP YOU'RE, YOU'RE REFERRING TO, RIGHT. 
          THAT YOU SAY, DOES IT HAVE COVERAGE? SO, UM, ON YOUR, ON YOUR, ON YOUR DIAGRAM, ON THE BOTTOM, RIGHT, THAT JUST SHOWS IT'S THE OUTDOOR SINGLE. 
          SO WHICH AREA SHOWS NO COVERAGE. 
          I'M CONFUSED. 
          THE RED.IS OUR SITE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND ALL OF THE YELLOW AND PURPLE ARE OUR POOR COVERAGE, RIGHT. 
          FOR INDOOR OR NON-EXISTING COVERS, THERE IS COVERAGE, CORRECT. 
          IT'S JUST NOT THIS STRONG. 
          NO, IT'S NOT EXISTED FOR, SORRY. 
          I DON'T, I KNOW WE'RE SPLITTING HAIRS HERE. 
          UM, THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOME HOMES THAT HAVE NO COVERAGE AT ALL. 
          THERE'LL BE SOME HOMES THAT HAVE POOR COVERAGE, BUT ALL OF THOSE AREAS DO NOT HAVE SUFFICIENT LTE COVERAGE DAY. 
          SO LT IS A, IT'S A HIGHER COVER, A STRONGER SINGLE IN ORDER TO GET OUT LT, YOU NEED A STRONGER SINGLE, NOT NECESSARILY, NO, THIS IS JUST THE STANDARD. 
          LTE IS, IS 4G. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT MOST, UM, UTILIZE TODAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND SO CURRENTLY, IF YOU ARE IN AN AREA THAT'S IN THE PURPLE AREA OR THE YELLOW AREA, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE POOR OR NO. 
          YEAH. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T SEE ANY AREA OVER THERE TO HAS A NO COLOR AT ALL, WHICH MEANS THERE'S COVERAGE, BUT NOT STRONG COVERAGE, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, MIKE STATEMENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SURE. 
          THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING ALL THAT QUESTION. 
          I ONLY HAVE ONE QUESTION ON THE PHOTOS THAT WERE PROVIDED REGARDING THE, A MOCK OF WHAT THE ACTUAL CELL TOWER WILL LOOK LIKE. 
          I MEAN, HERE, IT APPEARS TO BLEND WHAT ARE THE POSSIBILITIES OF, AND I BELIEVE AT THE LAST HEARING, IT WAS SAID THAT IT COULD GO UP TO HOW MANY FEET HIGH WOULD, THEY SAID IT WAS 60 FEET HIGHER. 
          UM, SO THAT, YEAH, YOU'RE, UH, MUNICIPAL COATS AT 60 FEET. 
          UH, THERE IS A 64 0 9 FEDERAL LAW, UM, THAT STATES THAT ANOTHER CARRIER, A MINUTES AND UP TO 20 FEET. 
          UM, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE. 
          WE'RE PROPOSING THE, IT'S NOT OUT OF THE QUESTION. 
          IT'S NOT ANOTHER QUESTION FOR, OR ANY CARRIER NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          DO YOU HAVE, I MEAN, THIS IS, THESE ARE BLACK. 
          I COULDN'T REALLY SEE THE PICTURES THAT WERE UP THERE WITH TO SEE WHAT THEY ACTUALLY LOOK LIKE. 
          UM, WE HAVE ONE, I THINK, AT CAMERON PARK, WHICH DOES IT LOOK SO GREAT. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          IT WAS THE, THIS ONE OR ANY OF THOSE. 
          AND IF YOU COULD ZOOM IN, I'M SORRY, WHAT DID, DID YOU WANT TO SEE THE DESIGN OF THE PROPOSED MONONUCLEOSIS? NOT, NOT A DRAWING, AN ACTUAL, LIKE AN ELEVATION, NO ACTUAL PHOTO SIM OF THE EUCALYPTUS, UH, THE PHOTO SYNDROME TAKEN AT THE ANGLES THAT ARE PREVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A MATERIAL BOARD THAT SHOWS ON A RENDERING NOW IN TERMS OF THE WIDTH WISE, NOW THAT THIS PICTURE IS UP, THE BALLOON IS HOW MANY FEET THAT YOU HAVE VERSUS HOW, HOW MANY, HOW WIDE IS THE TREE ITSELF RIGHT NOW? SO THE BALLOON, UM, IS THERE IN PLACE FOR OUR PHOTOS AND VENDOR TO GET THE HEIGHT? UM, SO THAT'S AT 60 FEET. 
          UM, AND THEN THE WHITE, HOW WIDE IS THE BALLOON RELATIVE TO WHAT IT IS? UM, UM, I'M NOT THE PHOTO, SOME VENDOR, I WOULDN'T KNOW THE, THE WIDTH OF IT. 
          I WISH YOU RENEWED WHEN THE BALLOON WAS THERE. 
          SO WE CAN GO AROUND THAT AREA AND TAKE A LOOK AS WELL. 
          WHEN YOU WERE DOING THE PHOTO SIM, I'M SORRY. 
          I WISH I KNEW THAT YOU HAD A BALLOON UP THERE SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY GO BY AND TAKE A LOOK. 
          CAUSE I DID DROP BY ONCE OR TWICE AFTER THE MEETING, JUST SEE THE AREA. 
          WELL, THE BALLOONS ONLY UP DURING THE PHOTO SIM PORTION. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          BUT I I'M, I'M JUST SAYING IT'S A WISHFUL THOUGHT THAT IF I HAD IT UP, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT WHEN IT WAS UP, BUT UNFORTUNATELY WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT. 
          SO, AND THEN, UH, YEAH, SO THEN THE FACILITY ITSELF IS OBVIOUSLY SIMULATED TO SHOW THE SAME HEIGHT AS THE BALLOON. 
          UM, THE WIDTH, I BELIEVE ON THE DRAWINGS AND, UM, ON THE INTENDED LAYOUT, IT HAS THE, UM, THE WIDTH OF THE TOWER OR THE BRANCH DIAMETER. 
          UM, SO THAT WOULD BE ON OUR DRAWINGS ON THE ANTENNA LAYOUT. 
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SO 20 FEET WOULD BE THE MAXIMUM, OR I'M SORRY FOR THE, TO EXTEND IT. 
          IT WOULD BE, UM, SORRY, I'LL JUMP IN IF YOU DON'T MIND. 
          SO, UM, SHE REFERRED TO 64 0 9, UM, WHICH ALLOWS YOU TO GO, I THINK IT'S 20%. 
          OKAY. 
          TEMPE. 
          OKAY. 
          OR, OKAY. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN, WE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK IN TO YOU GUYS FOR THAT, UM, AND, AND STAFF, RIGHT. 
          TO SUBMIT THAT THIS TOWER I CAN TELL YOU, IS IT, I THINK WE WERE TOLD THAT YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO, IT WASN'T REQUIRED. 
          IS IT REQUIRED, UM, TO SUBMIT AN APPLICATION WITH THE CITY IT'S NOT REQUIRED FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UM, THAT I'M AWARE OF, BUT IT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT UNDER, UH, THAT'S TO FALL. 
          IS IT REQUIRED TO COME BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS NOT REQUIRED? SO IT SHOULD BE. 
          CAN WE ASK STAFF, UM, THAT QUESTION, WE KNOW IF WE THEN EXCEED THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT, IF WE HAVE TO COME IN FROM A CERTIFICATION, UH, AND BRING IT BEFORE ON COMMISSION, UM, IN, IN THE CASE THAT YOU DESCRIBED, IT REQUIRES A MINOR SITE PLAN REVIEW. 
          IT DOES NOT REQUIRE A PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVAL. 
          IT'S JUST AN ADMINISTRATIVELY. 
          IT, IT ALSO DOES NOT REQUIRE PUBLIC NOTIFICATION AS WELL. 
          THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ARE THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I JUST HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION SINCE, SINCE THIS SITE IS LOCATED ON THE VERY EDGE OF THE, OF THE CITY LIMITS OF THE CITY OF WEST COVINA, WHERE ANY OTHER SITES OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS OF THE CITY OF WEST COVINA CONSIDERED FOR THIS SITE, I KNOW YOU IDENTIFIED, I THINK SEVERAL LOCATIONS WITHIN THE CITY, BUT GIVEN THE LOCATION AND THE TOPOGRAPHY, THERE, THERE ARE SEVERAL LOCATIONS THAT HAVE SORT OF A RAISED TOPOGRAPHY THAT ARE JUST OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS WHERE ANY OF THOSE CONSIDERED. 
          SURE. 
          SO, UM, WE, I THINK, UH, UM, MENTIONED BEFORE TOO, WE ARE GIVEN A SEARCH RING FROM OUR RF ENGINEER AND THAT IS ONLY GOES WITHIN A CERTAIN RADIUS, CERTAIN MILES. 
          SO THE SITES THOUGH, UH, WE WERE REALLY DID REACH OUT TO ARE ALL WITHIN THE CITY OF WEST COVINA. 
          I'M JUST BECAUSE I WAS IN THE LOCATION OF THE SURGERY. 
          GOT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, JESSICA. 
          AND DAN, APPRECIATE IT. 
          YOUR PRESENTATION, YOUR ANSWERING OF QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. 
          WE'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THOSE IN FAVOR. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'LL START WITH THOSE WHO ARE OPPOSED, MIKE PINELL. 
          CAN YOU PLEASE BRING UP THE PICTURE WITH THE BALLOON? SURE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ONE NEXT TO IT, WITH THE POWER GOING TO NEED TO SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE. 
          UH, ONE WITH THE BALLOON AND THE ONE NEXT TO IT WITH THE TOWER. 
          THAT'S THE ONE. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, THE LAST TIME I, THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE WAS, UH, THEY WERE TRYING TO, THEY WERE GOING TO PUT IT ON THE SOUTH HILLS GOLF COURSE. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A, THIS IS THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          YOU GUYS ARE THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR ARE YOU THE CITY COUNCIL PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, BUT I THINK IT WAS THE CITY COUNCIL THAT THEY WERE TRYING TO GET A PERMIT TO PUT IT ON THE SOUTH HILLS GOLF COURSE. 
          AND THAT WAS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. 
          AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS GONNA PASS AND BE APPROVED. 
          BUT APPARENTLY IT WAS NOT, I DON'T KNOW WHY. 
          I KNOW THAT SOMEBODY CAME IN WITH THE PETITION AND SAID SHE HAD HER NEIGHBORS 26 OR EIGHT OF OUR NEIGHBORS SIGNED A PETITION AGAINST THE, THE TOWER, BECAUSE IT WAS GOING TO BLOCK HER VIEW THAT WASN'T GOING TO BLOCK THE VIEW OF THE 26 OTHER PEOPLE THAT SIGNED THE PETITION, JUST HER VIEW. 
          BUT SHE WENT AROUND TO HER NEIGHBORS AND GOT THEIR SIGNATURES. 
          I COULD DO THAT BECAUSE ALL MY NEIGHBORS LIKED ME AND I COULD GET ALL MY NEIGHBORS TO SIGN A PETITION AGAINST US, BUT I'M NOT THAT PERSON IT'S ONLY GONNA BLOCK MY VIEW, UH, BECAUSE I LOVE ON HILLSIDE AND THAT'S GOING TO BE RIGHT 
          [01:05:01]
IN THE MIDDLE OF MY VIEW THAT I PAID FOR. 
          I GOT THE CITY LIGHTS AT NIGHT, I'VE GOT THE MOUNTAIN DEAL IN THE DAYTIME, AND I LOVE THAT DEAL. 
          AND YOU'RE GOING TO STICK THIS TREE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT. 
          MY NEIGHBOR DOESN'T CARE SO MUCH BECAUSE HIS TRAYS I'VE LIVED THERE FOR 20 YEARS AND HIS TREES HAVE GROWN UP AND BLOCKED MY VIEW AND HE DIDN'T CARE, BUT HE LET ME PAY TO HAVE HIS TREES TRIM SO THAT I CONTINUE TO HAVE MY VIEW. 
          AND I'VE SPENT THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, FIVE OR SIX YEARS, BECAUSE ONCE YOU TURN THE TRAYS, THEY START GROWING FASTER. 
          SO EVERY YEAR I GOT TO HAVE HIS TREES TRIMMED DOWN, BUT HIS PERMISSION SO THAT I CAN CONTINUE TO HAVE MY VIEW. 
          THAT'S GOING TO BE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF MY VIEW. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE IT RIGHT THERE, THE TREES THAT THERE ARE THERE. 
          NOW, THE EXISTING TREES WITH THE TANKS IS NOT A PROBLEM BECAUSE THERE ARE LOW ENOUGH, BUT THAT TREE IS GOING TO BE, CAUSE I WENT OUT THERE TODAY AND TOOK A LOOK AT IT. 
          I CALLED OF AN NCL WATER COMPANY A WHILE BACK. 
          AND THEY TOLD ME THAT THIS WASN'T GOING TO BLOCK MY VIEW, THAT I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SEE IT IF I LIVED ON HILLSIDE AND THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE ON CAMERON, THE TOWER WAS GOING TO BE ON CAMERA. 
          AND SO THAT WASN'T BOTHERED MY, THAT WASN'T BLOCKED MY VIEW IF IT WAS ON CAMERON AND SOMEBODY CAME BY AND STUCK THIS ON MY MAILBOX AND, UH, WHAT THE MAP SHOWS ME THAT IT'S GOING TO BE AT THE TOWERS, WHICH I CAN SEE FROM MY BACKYARD AND THE TOWERS ARE NOT A PROBLEM. 
          THE PARK BEHIND ME. 
          I LOVE EVEN THOUGH I GET THE BACKSIDE OF IT, BUT I STILL LOVE MY VIEW OF THE MOUNTAINS AND THE CITY LIGHTS AT NIGHT. 
          AND SO I CALLED THEM AGAIN TODAY. 
          AND THE WATER COMPANY SAID, YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO PUT IT RIGHT THERE NEXT TO THE TOWERS, WHICH IS GOING TO BE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF MY VIEW AND MY VIEW AND MY NEIGHBOR'S VIEW, WHICH I COULD GET THEIR SIGNATURES, BUT I DIDN'T BOTHER WITH, UH, THAT'S UGLY AND IT'S GOING TO BE RIGHT IN THE TAKEAWAY. 
          MY MILLION DOLLAR VIEW, YOU COULD PUT IT DOWN IN THE PARK, FURTHER DOWN. 
          THAT'S THE HIGHEST POINT IN THE PARK. 
          IF YOU PUT IT DOWN WHERE THE, UH, ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE PARK, BY THE PARKING LOT OR ANYWHERE ELSE DOWN IN BELOW, UH, THE 60 FEET WON'T BOTHER ME. 
          NOW, YOU'RE TELLING ME IF I HEARD HER CORRECTLY, THAT THEY CAN ADD ANOTHER 20 FEET AND MAKE IT 80 FEET TALL, 60 FEET, BAD, 80 FEET. 
          IT'S IMPOSSIBLE. 
          BUT, UH, IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE AT THE HIGHEST PEAK. 
          YOU COULD PUT IT DOWN IN THE PARK AND NOBODY WOULD CARE. 
          HE COULD PUT IT ON CAMERA AND YOU COULD PUT IT ON GRAND AVENUE RIGHT OFF THE ROADWAY. 
          AND THERE'S MILLIONS OF TRAYS AND TRAVERSE. 
          IT'S GOING TO BLEND RIGHT IN AND NOT BOTHER ANYBODY, BUT I'D STILL LIKE TO KNOW WHY THEY DIDN'T PUT IT IN THE, THE GOLF COURSE, WHICH WOULDN'T HAVE BOTHERED ONLY, BUT ONE PERSON, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. 
          I, I CAN'T IMAGINE YOU WOULD STICK THIS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF YOUR VIEW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. PINELL. 
          PAULINE MAXWELL. 
          YEAH. 
          I AGREE WITH THIS GENTLEMEN, TOTALLY STICKING OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB, AND GUESS WHERE MY HOUSES, YOU SEE THE ROOF RIGHT THERE. 
          THAT'S MY HOUSE. 
          SO WE'RE ACTUALLY, IT'S ONLY ABOUT 20 FEET FROM MY FRONT YARD AND THEY'RE STICKING UP LIKE IT'S AUSTIN. 
          I LIVED THERE FOR OVER 40 YEARS. 
          HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH DROP CALLS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          NO, WHEN WE DON'T MEET ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT, SO JUST FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I DON'T THINK WE NEED ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN A NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THIS IS REALLY, REALLY BAD, REALLY, REALLY BAD. 
          SO ACTUALLY I HAVE OTHER NEIGHBORS THEY WANT TO PROTEST TOO, BUT THEY CAN MAKE IT TOO NICE. 
          SO IN THE SENSE THAT I'M KIND OF REPRESENTING THAT ALL THE HUGE SIZED, UH, NEIGHBORS RIGHT AROUND THE WATER TOWER. 
          SO I HOPE, UH, YOUR CONCERT WOULD PAY SOME ATTENTION TO WHAT WE HAVE TO SAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND CUE MARIO ZAW. 
          SO HOPE I'M SORRY. 
          MARCO 
          [01:10:01]
NEW COMMISSIONERS. 
          MY NAME IS MARK ROZO AND I'M HERE TO REPRESENT, UM, MS. SUSANNA OUT AND DR. 
          RICHARD FINANCE. 
          UM, CAN WE PULL UP THE MAP WHERE THE PHOTO SIMS WERE TAKEN FROM? SO UPON REVIEWING THE PHOTO SIMPS MAPS, UM, WE ACTUALLY LIVE EAST OF THE SITE. 
          SO I GUESS THAT WOULD BE UNDER DE LA COUNTY JURISDICTION, AS YOU MENTIONED EARLIER. 
          UM, OUR BACKYARD IS ACTUALLY ELEVATED QUITE HIGH, UM, ALMOST IN LINE WITH THE ROOF LINE OF OUR HOUSE, WHICH I BELIEVE IS ALSO IN LINE WITH THE, UM, THE WATER, UM, THE WATER STRUCTURE, OR MAYBE EVEN HIGHER. 
          UM, AT THE BACKYARD, WE HAVE A VIEW DOT GOING THAT'S GOES WEST TO THE SITE WHERE TO PROPOSE THIS AND, UM, WITH THE CELL TOWER, IT DIRECTLY OBSTRUCTS THE VIEW AS THE SURROUNDING ALL HAVE LOWER ELEVATOR TREES. 
          UM, IF THIS WAS BUILT, IT WOULD DIRECTLY STICK OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FRAME, UM, ON THE BACKYARD. 
          AND I THINK IT IS VISUALLY OBSTRUCTIVE AND REITERATE. 
          WE ARE AGAINST THE, UM, PROPOSAL TO BUILD A CELL TOWER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, JANET. 
          ROSA. 
          I'M SORRY, I CAN'T, I CAN'T READ THE WRITING. 
          J E N IS AT IC OR JAN. 
          K. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, HELLO. 
          SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          BUT, UH, I AM JERICHO SAW, UH, I'D ALSO LIKE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF SUZANNE ALLO AND RICHARD FERNANDEZ. 
          UM, I AGREE WITH THE POINTS THAT MARCO HAS MADE AND I'D LIKE TO REITERATE THAT I'M AGAINST THE CELL TOWER. 
          AND THEN I'D ALSO LIKE TO MENTION THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER LEWIS DID BRING UP A GOOD POINT. 
          THE CELL TOWER DOES BRING UP SOME SAFETY CONCERNS, UH, REGARDING IT BEING REALLY CLOSE TO THE WATER TOWERS. 
          AND I BELIEVE THAT IS SOMETHING TO THAT. 
          THAT IS A VERY IMPORTANT THING TO MAKE NOTE OF WHAT IF SOMETHING DID HAPPEN TO THE TOWERS REALLY CLOSE TO THE WATER TANKS, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S IT. 
          THANK YOU, PATTY. 
          I'M HAVING A HARD TIME READING. 
          SORRY. 
          TERRIBLE, GOOD EVENING. 
          COMMISSIONERS, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. 
          HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO EVERYBODY. 
          I'M HERE AGAIN. 
          UM, FIRST I WANT TO SAY I'M KIND OF SHOCKED BY THE APPLICANT'S STATEMENT, UM, THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THE DATA. 
          THE WHOLE REASON THEY WANT THE TOWER IS BECAUSE THERE'S SIGNIFICANT GAVIN COVERAGE, BUT THEN THEY DON'T TELL US HOW MANY PEOPLE NEED COVERAGE. 
          THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME. 
          THAT JUST DOESN'T THAT TELLS ME THE CORPORATE WANTS IT, BUT IT'S NOT FOR THE PEOPLE BECAUSE WE'RE THE NUMBERS THAT KIND OF BOTHERS ME AS A RESIDENT AND AN OWNER IN, IN SOUTH HILLS. 
          THE MAIN REASON WHAT I REALLY WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THOUGH, WAS JUST HOW I FEEL ABOUT, I HOPE WEST COVINA PROTECTS THE CITIZENS. 
          I KNOW I HAVE FRIENDS IN WALNUT AND THEY DEMAND A 1500 FOOT, UM, DISTANCE FROM ANY CELL TOWER, MINIMUM 1500 AND THIS NICE LADY OVER HERE AT PAULINE. 
          I PICK HER UP TO BRING HER HERE. 
          I COULD THROW A STONE WHEN I WAS AT HER HOUSE. 
          I PULL IN, I COULD THROW A STONE AND HIT THE WATER TOWER. 
          SHE IS THAT CLOSE. 
          SHE IS RIGHT ON THE EDGE. 
          IT BLEW MY MIND. 
          AND I JUST THINK IT'S SO UNFAIR BECAUSE I MEAN, I LOVE MY CELL PHONE. 
          I HAVE IT. 
          AND T I'VE A VERIZON IPADS UP TO WAHOO CELL PHONES. 
          I MEAN, I WOULDN'T COULDN'T LIVE WITHOUT IT, BUT I DON'T WANT A CELL TOWER ON MY HOUSE OR NEXT DOOR TO MY HOUSE. 
          I THINK THAT'S WHERE EVERYBODY GETS A LITTLE NERVOUS. 
          I MEAN, WE ALL LOVE OUR CELL STUFF, RIGHT. 
          CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT IT, BUT I JUST, IT CONCERNS ME WHEN THEY ENCROACH ON OUR PRIVATE LIVES AND TO GET TOO CLOSE TO WHERE WE LIVE. 
          AND I THINK WALNUTS LEADING THE CHARGE AND I THINK THEY'RE DOING IT RIGHT BY HAVING A LITTLE DISTANCE. 
          SO I HOPE YOU ALL CAN DO THAT FOR US. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU, JOE. 
          ROMANS, 
          [01:15:06]
JODY JOHNSON. 
          UH, THANKS FOR LISTENING HERE. 
          WE'RE JUST, UM, YOU JUST MENTIONED THAT THE, THE SAFETY ISSUE OF IT ALL I'M SURPRISED. 
          NO ONE'S BROUGHT THAT UP. 
          THERE WAS JUST A RECENT STUDIES HAVE BEEN DONE THAT THE FIVE GS BASICALLY CAUSES THE SAME SYMPTOMS AS COVID AND IT HELPS EXACERBATE THAT. 
          AND JUST SOMETHING TO LOOK INTO. 
          IT'S NOT A, NOT A GOOD TECHNOLOGY, SO WE'RE DEFINITELY AGAINST IT. 
          SO I THOUGHT, I JUST WANTED TO SAY, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AT THIS TIME WITH THE APPLICANT, LIKE TO COME AND UP AND I'M SORRY. 
          DID YOU WANT TO, YOU COULD FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD WHEN YOU'RE DONE. 
          LET ME FILL THIS IN REAL FAST. 
          OH, YOU CAN DO IT DONE. 
          OKAY. 
          I CAN THAT AFTER. 
          OKAY. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MEAN, UH, GAVE ANY, UM, PLANNING COMMISSIONS AND AGAIN, HAPPY HOLIDAYS. 
          UM, SO LISTENING THROUGH THIS WHOLE THING AND JUST MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, CAUSE I LIVE AROUND THE AREA ACTUALLY DRIVE BY AND I'M WORKING TEXTS. 
          I'M ALL OVER WIRED UP. 
          SO I NEED THOSE SELL CELTS, ALL THE ALL CELL SIGNALS AS I'M DRIVING UP AND DOWN IN AND DOING MY WORK. 
          AND I DON'T EXPERIENCE JOB CALLS. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU GUYS ARE GETTING THIS DATA FROM. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S CRUCIAL FOR ME. 
          I MEAN, I WOULD DRIVE UP AND DOWN THE STREET IF I CAN'T, YOU KNOW, BE ABLE TO BE AT MY, UH, PAD, HAVE A VERIZON SIGNAL, 80 T I THINK I HAD 80 AND T YEAH, ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO. 
          THEN I SWITCHED TO T-MOBILE AND NEVER HAD A PROBLEM EVEN WITH AT AND T I MEAN, T-MOBILE NEVER HAD PROBLEM EITHER, SO I DON'T GET THE SIGNIFICANT GAP OR EVEN A GAP ISSUE. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY'RE PULLING THE DATA FROM. 
          AND I, I MEAN, YOU JUST GOT TO GO AND CHECK IT OUT, WALK AROUND THE PLACE AND CHECK. 
          I MEAN, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE VIDEOTAPE MYSELF SIGNAL WALKING AROUND THAT PLACE, BUT IT JUST THERE'S NO GAP. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS CAN. 
          I MEAN, IF ANYBODY GOT ME WRONG, LET ME KNOW, BUT I'VE NEVER EXPERIENCED ANY DROPPED CALLS. 
          AND I DRIVE UP AND DOWN THE STREET ALL THE TIME, GO TO HARRIS PARK WORKS WITH TIME OVER THERE. 
          CAUSE IT'S A NICE PLACE. 
          NOBODY REALLY GOES THERE, BUT IT'S A NICE PLACE DURING THE DAY. 
          UM, SO I WANT TO JUST BRING THAT UP THAT HEY, FOR THE CITY TO CONSIDER PUTTING A CELL TOWER THAT IS GOING TO BE AESTHETICALLY AN, UH, AN EYESORE BASICALLY TO THE NEIGHBORS. 
          AND I KINDA KNOW, CAUSE WHEN YOU, IN THAT AREA WHERE COMMISSIONER HANK WAS SAYING, HEY, THERE'S A BOWL THAT IS A DEPRESSED LOCATION, IT'S LOWER. 
          SO I'M KIND OF SCRATCHING MY HEAD AND SAY WHY IT'S STICKING IN A LOWER LOCATION IN THE FIRST PLACE, BUT THE NEIGHBORS AROUND IT ALL OVERLOOK THAT AREA. 
          SO THEY'RE GOING TO SEE IT NO MATTER HOW WELL THEY HIDE IT. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW THE PHOTO SYMBOL, IT MAKES EVERYTHING LOOK GOOD, BUT MY THREE YEAR OLD CAN PICK OUT A CELL TOWER AND ALL OF THESE LITTLE PLASTIC THINGS THAT COME OUT OF IT. 
          WE CAN DRIVE DOWN THE FREEWAY AT 60 MILES AN HOUR AND HE'LL BE ABLE TO POINT IT. 
          AND THESE ARE PRETTY SILICON CELL TOWERS. 
          IN MY OPINION, NOT LIKE THE INDUSTRIAL LOOKING ONE. 
          HE CAN SEE THE TREES AND HE'D SAY, HEY, THAT'S A CELL TOWER. 
          UM, AND SO IT'S AN EYESORE, NO MATTER WHICH WAY YOU LOOK AT IT. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, AND IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE GENTLEMEN JUST SAY ABOUT SAFETY AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          I KNOW THE COMMISSIONER CAN'T CONSIDER THAT AS PART OF YOUR DECISION UNTIL, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO PROTECT THE CITY AND MAKE SURE YOU, YOU KNOW, OR THE LAWYER'S GONNA GONNA, UH, ADVISE YOU IN THAT AREA. 
          BUT NOW ALL WE CAN DO IS AESTHETICS. 
          AND IF WE NEED IT AND IF THERE'S A GAP, YOU KNOW, WE NEED IT. 
          THERE'S NO GAP AND AESTHETICS. 
          IT'S A FRICKING EYESORE. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          I JUST CAN'T SAY ANY OTHER WAY, UNLESS SAY, CAN PUT IT ON LIVE TREES. 
          UM, SO THAT'S THE TWO MAIN POINTS. 
          I'D HAVE TO SAY IT IS GOING TO BE A HUGE EYESORE CAUSE IT'S GOING TO STICK OUT, ESPECIALLY FOR THE NEIGHBORS, THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO OVERLOOK IT AND YOU KNOW, PROVE TO BE THAT THERE'S A GAP. 
          I MEAN, THAT MAP LOOKS GOOD, BUT IT, IT DOESN'T MEAN WHERE THE RUBBER MEETS THE ROAD WHERE IT'S ACTUALLY THE CELL DROPPING. 
          THE CALL IS DROPPING. 
          DOESN'T EXIST. 
          THAT'S IT FOR ME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AT THIS TIME WITH THE APPLICANT, LIKE TO COME UP, HE COMMISSIONERS. 
          UM, SO I'D LIKE TO START, I'M NOT SURE IF THE LAST CUSTOMER OR SORRY LAST RESIDENT HAS AT AND T AS A SERVICE PROVIDER, IT SOUNDED LIKE IT WAS VERIZON. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT 
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WELL, SO, UM, I WAS GOING TO SAY YEARS AGO, AGAIN, UM, BACK TO THE COVERAGE ISSUE AS MORE AND MORE FOLKS START USING DEVICES. 
          UM, IT SHRINKS THAT FOOTPRINT SO 10 YEARS AGO, UM, THE COVERAGE MIGHT'VE BEEN BETTER AND ALSO THERE WAS A MUCH, YOU KNOW, UH, LIGHTER DEMAND FOR, UH, CAPACITY, RIGHT? FROM A DATA PERSPECTIVE, UH, 10 YEARS AGO. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S GROWN EXPONENTIALLY EVERY YEAR. 
          SO, UM, I WANTED TO THANK YOU GUYS. 
          I WANTED TO THANK STAFF BECAUSE I KNOW WE'VE WORKED FOR OVER SIX MONTHS, UM, WITH THEM TO, TO GET THIS TO WHERE WE'RE AT AND TO GET THEIR, THEIR RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL. 
          UM, WE FOLLOWED THE CODE, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, WE'VE GONE AHEAD AND WE'VE TAKEN SOME ADDITIONAL MEASURES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MITIGATE THE CONCERNS THAT WE HEARD ON THE 26TH OF OCTOBER. 
          UM, AND WE DO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT GAP. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE PROVIDED, UH, A SIGNED CERTIFIED LETTER BY ONE OF OUR RF ENGINEERS. 
          UM, THERE'S ALSO A LETTER THAT WAS PROVIDED TO YOU FOLKS. 
          UM, I THINK THAT IT WAS PART OF THE AGENDA AS WELL, SORT OF GO INTO MORE DETAIL AS TO, YOU KNOW, EXPLAINING WHAT THE SIGNIFICANT GAP IS, YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY, UH, INDOOR, UH, LTE COVERAGE. 
          UM, WE ALSO, UM, ARE, ARE HOPEFUL THAT WE CAN, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, GET THE SITE BUILT SO THAT WE CAN DO OUR BAND 14 FIRSTNET, UH, SERVICE AS WELL. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND IT SOUNDS LIKE THE CITY DOESN'T UTILIZE THAT, BUT OTHER, UH, RESPONDERS THAT MAY HAVE TO COME IN FOR ANY OTHER SERVICES MAY BE USING THAT. 
          UM, WE'RE EXPANDING THAT FOOTPRINT ON A, ON A DAILY BASIS. 
          SO, UM, I APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION. 
          UM, AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS AND WE'RE, WE'RE HERE AS A PARTNER. 
          WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH STAFF, UM, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE VALENCIA WATER COMPANY CLOSELY AND, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY ADDITIONAL CONCERNS INTO CONSIDERATION AND WORK WITH YOU FOLKS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, THE ONLY OTHER COMMISSION HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR APPLICANT, COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS? NO, I HAVE NO QUESTION. 
          CAN I SEE YOUR HAND? NO, NOT AT THIS MOMENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'M GOING TO SHAKE HER TERRACE. 
          NO VICE CHAIR LEWIS. 
          NO, AT THIS TIME WE'RE GONNA, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALREADY ALLOWED THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK. 
          I HAVE NO PROBLEM. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          I'M SORRY, BUT BARRETT, WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          OKAY. 
          SORRY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND, UH, WE WILL NOW OPEN FOR COMMISSION DISCUSSION. 
          I MAKE A MOTION TO DENY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 21 DASH ZERO THREE. 
          UH, WITH THE CATEGORY OR EXCEPTION. 
          MADAM CHAIR. 
          YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND SEE IF THERE'S A, A SECOND TO THAT MOTION BEFORE YOU BEGIN ANY DISCUSSION. 
          WELL, ACTUALLY I'D LIKE TO SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND BEFORE THE COMMISSION, UH, BEGINS ITS DISCUSSION, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SOME STATEMENTS FOR SOME CLARIFICATION OF THE RECORD AND TO ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THE SPEAKERS TONIGHT, UM, CITIES MAY NOT, UH, MAKE THEIR DECISIONS BASED ON ANY RADIO FREQUENCY EMISSIONS. 
          UM, IF THE PROPOSED WIRELESS FACILITY COMPLIES WITH FCC RF ADMISSIONS REGULATIONS. 
          SO THERE'S A PREEMPTION THERE, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOT DISCUSSING THAT TONIGHT. 
          THAT'S NOT BEFORE THIS COMMISSION TONIGHT. 
          UM, I HEARD, UH, WE'VE HEARD COMMENTS ABOUT WALNUTS CODE AND THE SEPARATION BETWEEN RESIDENCES AND FACILITIES. 
          OUR CODE, UH, REQUIRES A 100 FOOT SEPARATION AT WHICH THEY HAVE MET IN THIS APPLICATION. 
          SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION IS A DIFFERENT CODE STANDARD. 
          OURS IS 100 FEET AND THEY'VE MET THAT REQUIREMENT. 
          UM, AND FEDERAL CASE LAW HAS MADE CLEAR THAT A SIGNIFICANT GAP IN SERVICE IS A GAP IN A PROVIDER'S OWN SERVICE COVERAGE. 
          AND THE DETERMINATION IS BASED ON A FACT SPECIFIC ANALYSIS. 
          AND I GET CONFIRMED THAT MY MOTION, UH, WAS IN A PSEUDOS POLICIES, UH, IN, IN FOLLOWING THE GUIDELINES. 
          SO JUST TO CONFIRM FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD, THANK YOU. 
          I CONCUR. 
          SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO DENY THE PROJECT BY COMMISSIONER GUTIERREZ IN SECOND AND FIVE IS TARA LITERALLY LIKE TO TAKE ROLL CALL? UM, CAN WE HAVE A DISCUSSION FIRST? YOU CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION BEFORE WORLD CALL. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I GUESS BEFORE, BEFORE I'M FINDING 
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NECESSARY FOR APPROVAL, A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT ARE AS FOLLOWINGS. 
          SO THERE'S QUITE A FEW ITEMS ON THE FINDINGS, WHETHER WE SHOULD BE APPROVING THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT OR NOT. 
          AND BEFORE I GO ON WITH THE FINDINGS OR DISCUSSIONS, I LIKE TO SAY THAT AS PLANNING COMMISSIONS IN ALL DECISIONS, MY DECISIONS, AT LEAST IN A NON BEHALF OF THE PLANNING COMMISSIONS THAT WERE NOT, UM, WE'RE NOT, UM, BASICALLY, UM, REGULATING THE PLACEMENT OR THE CONSTRUCTIONS OR MODIFICATION OF PERSONAL, UM, CELL TOWER SERVICE ON THE BASIS OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL FACTORS. 
          I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR, UH, ON MY, ON MY BEHALF, UM, I'M GOING TO FOCUS ON THE FINDINGS, UH, FOR THE APPROVAL OF CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AS FOLLOWINGS. 
          UM, IT'S HAS A THROUGH G ALSO, AND THAT THE PURPOSE USED AT THE PARTICULAR LOCATION IS NECESSARY OR DESIRABLE TO PROVIDE A SERVICE OR FACILITY, WHICH WILL CONTRIBUTE TO THE GENERAL WELLBEING OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF COMMUNITY, UM, FROM HEARING FROM THE MEETING FROM THIS TIME. 
          AND ALSO FROM LAST TIME, UM, THE LAST MEETING, SOMETIME IN OCTOBER, UM, LATER HALF OF OCTOBER, I FIND THAT THE FINDING THAT IT IS NOT NECESSARY OR DESIRABLE, UM, PART OF THAT WAS FROM THE LAST MEETING. 
          AND ALSO FROM THIS MEETING, IS THAT NOT ONE RESIDENT COME UP TO SAY THAT THEY NEEDED TO SERVICE OR HAVE, OR EVEN HAVE A JOB CALLED IN FACT, RESIDENTS ARE SAYING THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE WHERE THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T WANT IT, OR THEY DON'T NEED THE SERVICE BASED ON WHAT I'M HEARING ONE AFTER THE NEXT. 
          UM, THE OTHER FINDINGS THAT I FIND IS THAT THE COMPANY HAS NOT GIVEN, UM, ANY DATA WITH NUMBERS THAT STATING THAT THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT DROP COLD OR SIGNIFICANT GAP IN THE AREA. 
          I'VE NOTICED THAT THERE DEFINE A COVERAGE GAP, BUT I HAVEN'T HEAR THAT HOW MANY RESIDENTS ARE BEING AFFECTED. 
          IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE WHAT CLOSES TO IT, BUT EVEN IN COUNTY OR THAT SURROUNDING AREA, HOW MANY, BECAUSE THIS IS A WHIRL AREA AND EVERY HALF AN ACRES OR THREE ACRES OR SO THAT'S HOW MANY RESIDENTS FOR SINGLE RESIDENTIAL HOME IN THIS AREA. 
          I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT DATA FROM THE LAST TIME OR FROM THIS TIME. 
          UM, THERE ARE VERY FEW RESIDENTS THAT LIVE IN THIS AREA. 
          I MEAN, THERE ARE RESIDENTS IN, THERE ARE TRAVEL NOW COMMUTE, BUT FAR FEWER THAN MOST AREA. 
          SO I HAVEN'T, YOU KNOW, THAT POTENTIAL NUMBER OR THAT FUTURE NUMBER. 
          I HAVEN'T SEEN IT. 
          AND I LIKE TO SEE THAT NUMBER, BUT NONE OF THE CURRENT DATA OR FIGURE IN THIS AREA PRESENTED TONIGHT, UM, I'M NOT EVEN SURE IF IT'S AFFECTING A THOUSAND PEOPLE OR 100 PEOPLE OR 5,000 PEOPLE. 
          SO WE DON'T, WE DON'T KNOW THAT. 
          SO BASED ON THAT, FINDING THAT IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO FIND THAT THIS IS A DESIRABLE LOCATION. 
          NOW BE THAT SUCH USE FOR NOT UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE PARTICULAR CASE, BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE HEALTH, SAFETY PIECE OR GENERAL WELFARE OF PERSONS RESIDING OR WORKING IN THE VICINITY OR INJUROUS TO PROPERTY OR IMPROVEMENTS TO THE VICINITY. 
          NOW THAT'S SUCH USED, UH, I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT IT IS DETRIMENTAL TO THE PERSON DECIDING THE AREA, JUST LIKE THE GENTLEMAN THAT HAD COME UP HERE AND SAY, IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO BE ABLE TO JUST LOOKING AT THE PARK AND EVEN THE PARK USED, THAT'S A RESIDENTIAL USE. 
          IT IS A RESIDENTIAL USE, AN OPEN SPACE FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE AROUND THAT AREA TO GO AND ENJOY THE PARK, WHETHER IT'S FROM THEIR HOME OR WHETHER THEY'RE AT THE PARK, THAT'S THE LAND VALUE THAT THEY PURCHASED, THE LAND VALUE THAT COMES WITH BEAUTIFUL PARKS AND BEAUTIFUL AREA. 
          SO I FIND THAT THAT'S NOT ADDING VALUE TO THE RESIDENT AND THE RESIDENT HASN'T COME UP AND SAY THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT. 
          AND IN FACT THAT THEY'RE SAYING THE OPPOSITE, IT'S THEIR MILLION DOLLAR VIEW HOME, OR THEY'RE THERE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THEY HAVEN'T COME UP AND SAY SUCH, SO THE WATER TANK, EVEN THE FACILITY THAT GOT PROBABLY A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. 
          SO NOW THIS GENERAL AREA IS A RESIDENTIAL AREA. 
          YOU LOOK UP NORTH TO THE SOUTH, TO THE EAST, TO THE WEST WITH THE EXCEPTION OF 
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THE PARK AND WITH THE EXCEPTION OF TWO ITEMS, THE PARK, WHICH IS MAINLY PREDOMINANT FOR RESIDENTIAL USE. 
          AND THE PART OF THE TANK AREA IS ALSO A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, WHICH WAS ASKED FOUR YEARS AGO. 
          AND EVEN WITH THAT TANK, IT WAS, IT WAS BURIED SOMEWHAT BURY INTO THE HILL. 
          NOW, ADDING THIS PARTICULAR, UM, EQUIPMENT, WHETHER IT'S ABOVE GROUND EQUIPMENT OR THE TOWER ITSELF, WHICH THAT GENERAL AREA, EVEN THE TANK AT THE TIME WAS APPROVED, WHAT WAS NO MORE THAN SIX FEET HIGH FROM THE ELEVATION AROUND THAT AREA? I DON'T KNOW, SIX OR 10 FEET HIGH FROM THAT AREA, BUT YET TODAY WE'RE BEING ASKED TO ADD SOMETHING THAT IS 60 FOOT OR CAN POSSIBLY ADD ON. 
          I'M NOT SURE WE ARE, YOU KNOW, GETTING PERMISSION OR NOT. 
          THAT CAN POTENTIALLY BE IN AN AREA THAT'S ONLY ALLOWED TWO STORY HIGH AREA. 
          THAT'S 20 FEET IN THAT AREA. 
          THE HIGHEST STRUCTURE IN THAT AREA, OR THAT AREA IS PREDOMINANTLY 20 FEET OR, OR ONE STORY. 
          BUT THIS IS CAN POTENTIALLY BE SIX STORIES OR EIGHT STORY HIGH STRUCTURES. 
          SO THAT TO ME IS JUST NOT, IT'S NOT, UM, ADDING IN AN AREA IN A VALUE TO RESIDENTIAL AREA THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL USE AND THAT ALSO COVER WITH, UM, I BELIEVE IT'S C AND, UM, SO HE BASICALLY STAYED THAT, THAT THE GRANTING OF SUCH CONDITIONAL PERMIT WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE GENERAL PLAN OF THE CITY OR ANY OTHER ADAPTIVE PLAN OF THE CITY. 
          I SAID THAT THIS WILL AFFECT THE GENERAL PLAN OF THE CITY BECAUSE MAINLY THAT AREA IS PREDOMINANTLY RESIDENTIAL. 
          LIKE I WOULD SAY SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL WITH ONE EXCEPTION OF OPEN SPACE. 
          AND THE OTHER EXCEPTION IS THE WATER TANK USE, WHICH IS ALSO A UTILITY AND TWO SERVICES, THE RESIDENT, BUT THAT, LIKE I SAID, IT WAS VERY BURY INTO THE HILLSIDE. 
          SO AGAIN, MAINLY RESIDENTIAL AIR TO NORTH EAST, WEST AND THE SOUTH. 
          SO PARK IS, IS TO THE ADDED ADDITIONS OF THE RESIDENTS DID JEWS. 
          IT WAS GRANITE LONG TIME OVER FOR THE TANK USAGE. 
          AND WE'RE MOVING AWAY FROM RESIDENTIAL USE. 
          IF WE ARE ADDING ONE MORE ITEM TO THIS MEANING THAT THE ALL GENERAL PLAN AND THAT AREA IS PREDOMINANTLY RESIDENTIAL USE. 
          I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM ONE THING, I'M SORRY, UNDER ROBERT RULES OF ORDERS, ONCE THERE'S A FIRST AND SECOND, YOU HAVE TO CALL ROLL CALL. 
          AND THEN BEFORE THE MEMBER CURVE, BEFORE THE MEMBER VOTES, THEY CAN MAKE COMMENTS BEFORE THEIR VOTE. 
          BUT I THINK JUST TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T GET THIS IN A CHALLENGE COURSE, A ROLL CALL HAS TO BE FOLLOWED BY THE ROOM, ROBERT RULES OF ORDERS. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER GUTIERREZ, YOU, YOU CAN HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION WITH THE PENDING MOTION AND SECOND, UM, WE CAN'T HAVE ANY DISCUSSION AFTERWARD. 
          SO, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I THINK THAT DISCUSSION WAS JUST REAFFIRMING. 
          WHAT WE'VE ALREADY VOTED ON. 
          I'M ALMOST DONE, BASICALLY. 
          I'M JUST A SHORT SENTENCE SOMEWHERE, I GUESS G G BASICALLY STATED THAT THE FINDINGS DEFINING TO SEE WHETHER WE, UM, UH, TO GRANT THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT OR NOT, I'VE JUST WANT TO GO THROUGH IT. 
          THE FACILITY IS DESIGNED TO PLAN WITH AN EXISTING SUPPORTING STRUCTURES AND DOES NOT SUBSTANTIALLY ALTER THE CHARACTER OF THE STRUCTURE OR LOCAL AREA. 
          AND I DON'T SEE THAT NOW THE TANK TO ME THAT WAS APPROVED A LONG TIME AGO, THE WATER HUMONGOUS WATER TANK THAT IT SEEMS TO BLEND IN WITH THE NATURAL AREA THAT, THAT, THAT WHOLE AREA. 
          BUT I DON'T SEE THAT BASICALLY EVEN THE TANK ITSELF IS NO MORE THAN ONE STORIES OF A BUILDING WITHIN THAT AREA. 
          SO IT SORT OF DOES PLAN IN THAT AREA. 
          HOWEVER, WITH THE, THE EXISTING STRUCTURE THAT IS GOING TO BE 60 FEET, IT COULD POTENTIALLY, THAT'S ALMOST TO ME IS LIKE A SIX STORY HIGH OR POTENTIALLY CAN GROW TO AN EIGHT STORY HIGH. 
          THAT'S NOT BLENDING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THAT SUMMER. 
          THE NEIGHBOR WILL BE ABLE TO SEE IT. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE FINDINGS THAT I FIND JUST GOING THROUGH A THROUGH G THAT I FIND THAT IT'S NOT, UM, IT'S NOT, UM, THE FINDING DIES. 
          I, I DON'T FIND THAT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, TO APPROVE FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. 
          THAT'S ALL. 
          SO WE CAN DO THE APPROVAL OF, THANK YOU. 
          SORRY. 
          YOU COMMISSIONER HANG A MADAM CHAIRMAN COMMISSIONERS JUST FOR THE RECORD. 
          UH, THE APPLICATION MEETS THE HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS SET FORTH IN OUR CODE, THE ANY ADDITION PURSUANT TO FEDERAL LAW, BUT THAT IS NOT BEFORE YOU TONIGHT. 
          [01:35:01]
UH, THEY DO MEET THE HEIGHT LIMITATIONS, COMMISSIONER GUTIERREZ, JUST FOR THE RECORD, YOU HAVE A MOTION PENDING, UM, COMMISSIONER HANG HAS IDENTIFIED SEVERAL FINDINGS THAT SHE FEELS CANNOT BE MADE IN ORDER FOR A RESOLUTION OF DENIAL TO BE PREPARED IN CASE YOUR MOTION SHOULD PASS. 
          COULD YOU PLEASE IDENTIFY THE FINDINGS THAT ARE YOUR BASIS FOR YOUR MOTION? WELL, THAT'S NOT LEGALLY REQUIRED, BUT, UH, I, I CAN SAY THAT I AM, UH, MAKING A MOTION TO DENY THE USE PERMIT, UH, NUMBER 21 DASH ZERO THREE, BECAUSE, UH, BASED UPON MY RESEARCH, UH, IT SHOWS A COVERAGE AREA, UH, THERE, UH, FOR, FOR, FOR ANYONE TO SAY THAT THERE'S NO COVERAGE AT ALL THAT, THAT THE MAP HAS NOT SHOWED UP. 
          SO, UM, JUST FOR THAT, FOR THE RECORD, AND ALSO LEGALLY, I'M NOT REQUIRED TO EXPLAIN MYSELF ON WHY YOU MADE A MOTION, BUT GO AHEAD. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER THE TEARS, I, I, IT, IT IS, UM, THE, YOUR, YOUR DECISION SHOULD BE BASED ON CERTAIN FINDINGS. 
          COMMISSIONER HANG HAS IDENTIFIED SEVERAL, UH, INCLUDING, UM, IN YOUR PACKET. 
          UM, I CAN CONFIRM THAT I, UH, BASED UPON THOSE FINDINGS, UH, THAT I MADE MY DECISION IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE GUIDELINES, UH, UH, ON MAKING MY, MY DECISION TONIGHT, UH, COMMISSIONERS, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, THEN YOU CAN CALL FOR A VOTE. 
          UH, CAN THE STAFF, UH, READ THE RESOLUTION NUMBER? THE MOTION WAS TO DENY RESOLUTION, UM, NUMBER 21 6 1 0 1. 
          WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO DO ROLL CALL OR IS THERE FURTHER DISEASE? OKAY. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS? NO, UH, COMMISSIONER GUTIERREZ. 
          YES. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER HANG, I GUESS IT WOULD BE A DENIAL. 
          UH, NO. 
          WOULD BE NOT APPROVING THE PROJECT OR NOT DENYING IT. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YES, THERE'S A DENIAL, RIGHT? YES. 
          SO IT WOULD BE A YES. 
          OKAY. 
          BY HIS CHAIR LEWIS, NO. 
          UM, AND CHAIR BESERA. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE, UH, NOTION PASSES ARE THREE TO THIS ACTION IS FINAL UNLESS APPEALED TO THE CITY COUNCIL WITHIN 10 DAYS. 
          SO, UM, PAULINA, CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN THE 10 DAY APPEAL PROCESS? SO ANYONE, UM, HAS THE OPTION TO APPEAL THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION THIS EVENING. 
          SO IT'S NOT REALLY FINAL PER SE. 
          THEY CAN APPEAL TO THE CITY. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND YEAH, WITHIN 10 DAYS, IF NOT APPEALED. 
          OKAY. 
          ANYTHING ABOUT, IF I MAY ADD, IF APPEAL IS DESIRED, THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE WOULD HAVE TO BE CONTACTED. 
          THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE DOES HAVE AN APPLICATION THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE COMPLETED, AND THERE IS A FEE INVOLVED. 
          SO TO APPEAL A PLANNING COMMISSION, PLANNING COMMISSION DECISION TO THE CITY COUNCIL, THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE WOULD HAVE TO BE CONTACTED AND AN APPLICATION WOULD HAVE TO BE FILED WITH THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE EXPLANATION AT THIS TIME, WE HAVE NO NON-HEARING ITEMS ON THIS AGENDA 
          [COMMISSION REPORTS/COMMENTS AND MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS]
TONIGHT. 
          SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO COMMISSION REPORTS AND MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS. THANK YOU. 
          UH, WOULD ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS LIKE TO REPORT OR COMMENT ON AN ITEM? I HAVE SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION IN THE SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING, WHERE THERE ARE, WELL, TH WE'RE UPDATING CODE ENFORCEMENT AND, UH, CODES. 
          AND THERE ARE CERTAIN ITEMS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN VOTE ON TO, TO UPDATE, UH, ON OUR END, THAT WOULD HELP WITH SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT WE'VE HAD ISSUES WITH. 
          SO ONE OF THEM, WHAT I ASKED ABOUT WAS THE 300 FOOT RADIUS WHERE AN APPLICANT WOULD HAVE HAD TO GIVE NOTICE TO RESIDENTS. 
          AND THEY SAID WITHIN THE COMMISSION, WE COULD CHANGE THAT. 
          SO I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE COMMISSIONERS VERSUS TENTS AND THEIR INPUT ON WHAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR 
          [01:40:01]
THE RESIDENTS. 
          UM, SINCE IT'S NOT AGENDIZED, UM, THE COMMISSION CAN'T VOTE AND DISCUSS, HOWEVER, UM, IF YOU WOULD LIKE STAFF TO AGENDIZE IT, WE CAN, UM, AGENDIZE IT FOR A CODE CODE, AMENDMENT INITIATION. 
          SO NOW IT WOULD BE LOOKING FOR CONSENSUS FROM THE COMMISSION, WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO AGENDIZE THIS FOR A FUTURE DISCUSSION. 
          I'LL SECOND, THE CHAIRS, UH, MOTION TO AGENDA ITEM. 
          I THINK WE JUST NEED A CONSENSUS. 
          YOU DON'T NEED A FORMAL ROLE, GIRL. 
          I AGREE. 
          JUST HAVING A DISCUSSION. 
          WE WILL, WE WILL. 
          AGENDIZE IT. 
          AND THEN THAT'S WHEN YOU GUYS CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION OF THE RADIUS OR NOTIFICATIONS TO THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          CAN WE ALSO ADD FOR THE HUNDRED FOOT DISTANCE FROM A CELL TOWER AS WELL, THAT BE A DIFFERENT CODE SECTION AND THAT CODE SECTION TO UPDATE THAT IS VERY INVOLVED AND IT ALREADY HAS BEEN INITIATED. 
          I HOPE. 
          WELL, IT'S ALREADY BEEN INITIATED, SO IT'S ALREADY BEING LOOKED AT, OKAY. 
          THAT'S FOUR CELL CELL TOWERS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, RIGHT? OH, IT'S BEEN INITIATED. 
          IT'S BEEN INITIATED YES. 
          BY THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          PERFECT. 
          SO IF THEY HAD GENERALIZED IT, THEY'LL BRING THEM BACK UP A POLES ON AND WE COULD HAVE A DISCUSSION THEN, AND THEN IF WE WANT TO AMEND SOMETHING FROM IT, THEY COULD GO BACK INTO, GO BACK TO THE TABLE AND WORK IT ON IT, WORK ON IT AGAIN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          [3. COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR'S REPORT]
OKAY. 
          ONLY NERD, THE, ANY OTHER ITEMS TO REPORT TO THE COMMISSION? UM, THERE ARE NO FORTHCOMING ITEMS. WE WILL BE CANCELING THE DECEMBER 28TH, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          UH, WE WILL, THE CITY HALL WILL BE CLOSED DURING THAT BREAK FOR THE HOLIDAYS. 
          SO OTHER THAN HAPPY HOLIDAYS FOR EVERYONE, THERE IS NOTHING FORTHCOMING WHERE THERE ANY 
          [4. CITY COUNCIL ACTION]
COUNCIL ACTIONS, CITY, UM, THAT YOU'D LIKE TO REPORT. 
          UM, THE CITY COUNCIL DID PASS THE EMERGENCY ORDINANCE PERTAINING TO US BENIGN STAFF WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. 
          WE'LL BE MONITORING ANY UPDATES REGARDING SB NINE. 
          AND IF NECESSARY, WE'LL COME BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR ANY CHANGES OR UPDATES THAT NEED TO BE MADE. 
          UM, I ALSO WANTED TO KIND OF REITERATE, UM, CHAIR. 
          SARAH MENTIONED, WE HELD A FIRST SUB COMMITTEE MEETING, UM, FOR THE DEVELOPMENT CODE UPDATE. 
          UM, WE ARE LOOKING TO START HAVING, UM, WORKSHOPS WITH COMMUNITY AND STAKEHOLDERS STARTING END OF JANUARY. 
          AND WE WILL BE NOTIFYING, UM, JANUARY 20, 22. 
          WE WILL BE NOTIFYING AND, AND PROMOTING THOSE WORKSHOPS TO INVITE AND INCLUDE EVERYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO PARTICIPATE IN THEM SINCE THERE'S NO FURTHER BUSINESS TO CONSIDER THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED AT 8 43, MERRY CHRISTMAS, MERRY CHRISTMAS.
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