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[ Town Hall Meeting on November 18, 2021.]
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN IN THE AUDIENCE.WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND START OUR TOWN HALL MEETING ON REDISTRICTING 20 20, 20 21 REDISTRICTING.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO WELCOME THOSE AT HOME THAT ARE WATCHING ON THE INTERNET.
AT THIS TIME, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO MR. JEFFERSON MANETTI.
YOU WILL BE, UM, GOING OVER OUR REDISTRICTING PROCESS AND WHAT THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE FOR THE CITY OF WEST COVINA.
MY NAME IS JEFF SIMMON, NATTY I'M WITH THE NATIONAL DEMOGRAPHICS CORPORATION.
YOU APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU THIS EVENING, AND WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW ON THE 2021 REDISTRICTING PROCESS.
UH, AND SOME DONATIONS STARTED HERE LOOKING ON THE SLIDESHOW RESUME, MAYBE.
SO THIS EVENING, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE 2021 REDISTRICTING PROCESS.
TALK ABOUT SOME KEY PROJECT TIMELINES AND DEADLINES NEXT STEPS IN HEARINGS.
AND WE'LL ALSO BE GOING OVER THIS EVENING, THE SPECIFIC DATA FOR THE UPDATED 2020 CENSUS DATA.
SO WE HAVE THE FULL DATA SET IN TERMS OF YOUR DEMOGRAPHICS AND POPULATION DATA FROM THE 2020 CENSUS.
AND WE'LL WALK THROUGH WHAT THOSE, WHAT THOSE NUMBERS LOOK LIKE.
SO HAVE A COUPLE OF INTRODUCTORY SLIDES HERE.
THERE MAY BE A QUESTION RELATED TO WHY ARE CITIES GOING THROUGH THE REDISTRICTING PROCESS? AND IT'S NOT JUST THE CITY OF WEST COVINA.
UM, ANY DISTRICT OR JURISDICTION THAT HAS ELECTIONS HAS TO LOOK AND REVIEW THE 20, 20 CENSUS BUREAU DATA.
AND WE ALSO NEED TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH THE APPLICABLE FEDERAL AND VOTING LAWS IN CALIFORNIA VOTING LAWS.
WE'LL GET INTO SOME OF THE SPECIFICS AS TO WHAT THOSE ARE.
UM, AND WE'LL, WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THE APPLICABILITY AND THERE ARE RULES AND REGULATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROCESS.
SO WEST COVINA COUNCIL MEMBERS HOLD FOUR YEAR TERMS AND THE DISTRICTS AND THE ELECTION SEQUENCE IS STAGGERED.
SO DISTRICTS TWO, FOUR, AND FIVE TERMS. AND IN NOVEMBER OF 2022 AND DISTRICTS ONE AND THREE TERMS, AND IN NOVEMBER OF 2024, FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE REDISTRICTING PROCESS, IF A NEW MAP IS DRAWN AND WE'LL, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS THERE, THE MAP WILL BE APPLICABLE TO THE NOVEMBER 22 ELECTIONS AND BEYOND.
THERE ARE SPECIFIC PROCESSES IN TERMS OF HOW THEIR REDISTRICTING PROCESS WILL TAKE PLACE.
SO THE FIRST ARE TWO INITIAL MEETINGS, WHICH ARE DRAWN, WHICH ARE PRE DRAFT MAPS.
AND THESE ARE HELD AGAIN PRIOR TO THE RELEASE OF DRAFT MAPS.
AND THESE ARE SPECIFICALLY LIKE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT, AND WE'LL ALSO BE HAVING A SECOND HEARING ON DECEMBER 7TH, THERE'LL BE AN EDUCATION PROCESS AND WE'LL BE SOLICITING INPUT FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND THE COUNCIL ON COMMUNITIES IN THE DISTRICTS THAT YOU MAY WANT TO IDENTIFY.
THERE WERE TWO DIFFERENT RELEASES OF CENSUS DATA.
SO THE FIRST ONE WAS THE OFFICIAL US CENSUS BUREAU DATA, WHICH WAS RELEASED IN AUGUST OF 2020.
THAT IS A DIFFERENT DATA SET THAN WHAT WE USE FOR THE, FOR ACTUALLY REDISTRICTING.
AND THE DATA THAT I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU TONIGHT.
THE DATA THAT WE'LL BE SHOWING YOU THIS EVENING IS WHAT'S CALLED THE CALIFORNIA STATEWIDE DATABASE.
AND THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN TERMS OF THE CENSUS BUREAU AND THE CALIFORNIA STATEWIDE DATABASE.
AND THE DIFFERENCE IS PRISONER POPULATION.
SO FOR THE PURPOSES OF PHYSICALLY, UH, W CONDUCTING THE CENSUS PRISONERS ARE COUNTED IN THE PRISONS, BUT FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE DEMOGRAPHIC DATA AND THE POPULATION DATA FOR EACH CITY, THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA TAKES THAT DATA AND ASSIGNS PRISONERS BACK TO THEIR LAST KNOWN ADDRESS.
SO IT'S CALLED THE ZEROING OUT THE PRISONER POPULATION.
AND SO THAT TOOK APPROXIMATELY A MONTH AND A HALF FOR THEM TO DO.
THEY RELEASED THAT IN LATE SEPTEMBER.
AND THAT IS THE DATA THAT WE'LL BE USING AND PRESENTING TO YOU TONIGHT.
THERE'LL BE ALSO TRUE DRAFT MAP HEARINGS TO DISCUSS SOME REVISED DRAFT MACS AND TO DISCUSS THE ELECTION SEQUENCE.
IMPORTANT THING TO REMEMBER HERE IS THAT REDISTRICTING HAS TWO PARTS.
THE FIRST IS WHAT ARE THE PHYSICAL BOUNDARIES OF THE LINES? AND THEN SECOND, THERE'S ALSO A DISCUSSION AND THE COUNCIL WILL BE ABLE TO MAKE A DECISION ON THE ELECTION SEQUENCE, MEANING WHICH DISTRICTS WILL BE UP IN 2022, AND WHICH DISTRICT WILL BE UP IN 2024.
THIS PROCESS HAS TO BE COMPLETED BY NO LATER THAN APRIL 17TH, 2022.
AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT WE HAVE TO SUBMIT THAT BY NO LATER THAN THAT DATE, TO SUBMIT THE MAP TO THE LA COUNTY REGISTRAR VOTERS
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OR INCLUSION INTO THE NOVEMBER OF 2022 ELECTIONS.WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE REDISTRICTING PROCESS, THERE ARE THREE SETS OF RULES AND GOALS, AND WE, WE CATEGORIZE THESE INTO THREE DIFFERENT BUCKETS.
THE FIRST ONE YOU'LL SEE ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE ARE THE FEDERAL LAWS.
AND THIS SPECIFICALLY PERTAINS TO THE FEDERAL VOTING RIGHTS ACT.
THERE ARE TWO MAIN COMPONENTS OF THE, OF THE FEDERAL VOTING RIGHTS ACT.
FIRST DISTRICTS NEED TO HAVE GENERALLY EQUAL POPULATION.
AND THIS, THIS WILL BE AN IMPORTANT POINT THAT WE TALK ABOUT HERE IN A MOMENT, UM, AND THEY CAN HAVE NO RACIAL GERRYMANDERING.
AND WHEN WE SAY GENERALLY EQUAL POPULATION THERE'S CASE LAW OUT THERE, THAT STATES THAT THE DISTRICTS CAN HAVE A NO, NO GREATER THAN 10% POPULATION DEVIATION.
AND WHAT POPULATION DEVIATION MEANS IS THE PERCENTAGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE LARGEST DISTRICT IN TERMS OF POPULATION AND THE SMALLEST DISTRICT IN TERMS OF POPULATION IN THE MIDDLE BUCKET THERE, THE SECOND THAT SAYS CALIFORNIA CRITERIA FOR CITIES IN THE LIGHT BLUE, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S A LAW THAT IS DIFFERENT AND HAS PASSED SINCE YOU WENT THROUGH THE ORIGINAL DISTRICT IN PROCESS.
THIS SET OF CRITERIA SPECIFICALLY PERTAINS TO AB 8 49, WHICH IS CALLED THE FAIR MAPS ACT.
IT CREATES FOR, AND THIS IS IMPORTANT THAT THESE ARE RANK ORDERED CRITERIA FOR RE REDISTRICTING AND REDISTRICTING PROCESS.
FIRST, THE DISTRICTS HAVE TO BE GEOGRAPHICALLY CONTINUOUS, MEANING THERE ARE NO ISLANDS AND NO DISCONNECTED PARTS OF DISTRICTS WHEN PRACTICABLE, THEY HAVE TO HAVE UNDIVIDED NEIGHBORHOODS AND COMMUNITIES OF INTEREST.
AND WE'LL TALK MORE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT WHAT THAT IS, BUT GENERALLY THEY ARE SOCIOECONOMIC AND GEOGRAPHIC AREAS THAT SHOULD BE KEPT TOGETHER.
DISTRICTS NEED TO HAVE EASILY IDENTIFIABLE BOUNDARIES, AND THEY ALSO NEED TO BE COMPACT.
AND WHEN WE SAY COMPACT, IT MEANS THAT THEY DO NOT BYPASS ONE GROUP OF PEOPLE TO GET TO A MORE DISTANT GROUP.
AND AS A UNIVERSAL PROHIBITION DISTRICT SHALL NOT FAVOR OR DISCRIMINATE AGAINST THE POLITICAL PARTY.
ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE, THERE ARE ALSO OTHER TRADITIONAL REDISTRICTING PRINCIPLES IN THE DARK BLUE, UH, BUCKET THERE.
SO THERE ARE A COUPLE OF KEY POINTS HERE.
FIRST, WE COULD POTENTIALLY LOOK AT FUTURE POPULATION GROWTH.
SO LET'S SAY FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S AN AREA IN THE CITY THAT, YOU KNOW, IS GOING TO BE A MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY, OR MAYBE A LARGE APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GOING TO BE SIGNIFICANT POPULATION MOVING INTO THERE.
WE CAN SLIGHTLY UNDERFILL THAT DISTRICT.
IT HAS TO BE WITHIN THE POPULATION DEVIATION.
IT HAS TO BE WITHIN THAT 10% POPULATION DEVIATION.
AND YOU COULD SLIGHTLY UNDERFILL THAT DISTRICT, KNOWING THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE POPULATION GROWTH MOVING FORWARD.
AND SO THAT, THAT DISTRICT CAN ESSENTIALLY GROW INTO ITSELF.
FINALLY, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT RESPECTING VOTERS CHOICES, IN TERMS OF CONTINUITY OFFICE AND MINIMIZING VOTERS SHIFTED TO DIFFERENT ELECTION YEARS, THIS SPECIFICALLY PERTAINS TO THE ELECTION SEQUENCE.
AS I MENTIONED, THERE'S A TWO-PART PROCESS.
IT'S FIRST DRAWING THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL BOUNDARIES OF, OF THE DISTRICTS, AND SECOND DETERMINING WHICH, UH, OF THE DISTRICTS WILL BE VOTING IN 2022 AND WENT TO THE DISTRICT WILL BE VOTING IN 2024.
LET'S SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU ARE CURRENTLY IN A 20, 22 DISTRICT, BUT THE LINES GET REDRAWN AND YOU GET MOVED INTO A 20, 24 DISTRICT.
WE TRY TO MINIMIZE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD GET SHIFTED BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT ELECTION CYCLES FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES HERE, WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT YOUR DEMOGRAPHICS SUMMARY OF THE EXISTING DISTRICTS.
AND SO THIS IS USING THE OFFICIAL 2020 DEMOGRAPHIC DATA WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF, OF YOUR CURRENT DISTRICTS.
THERE'LL BE TWO IMPORTANT COMPONENTS HERE.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE REDISTRICTING PROCESS, FIRST OF ALL, WE BREAK DOWN NUMBERS BETWEEN TOTAL POPULATION AND CITIZEN VOTING AGE POPULATION.
SO TOTAL POPULATION MEANS EXACTLY WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE.
SO THAT'S THE ENTIRE NUMBER OF CITIZENS REGARDLESS OF AGE WITHIN THE CITY.
AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, IT'S YOUR TOTAL POPULATION RIGHT NOW IS 109,856.
YOU GO DOWN TO THE BOTTOM HERE, WHEN YOU SEE CITIZEN VOTING AGE POPULATION, THAT MEANS ANY CITIZEN WITHIN THE CITY THAT IS OVER 18 YEARS OF AGE.
THAT IS REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY'RE REGISTERED TO VOTE OR NOT ANY CITIZEN OVER 18 YEARS OF AGE, AND FOR PURPOSES OF LOOKING AT A PROTECTED CLASS VOTING, THAT'S THE, THE, THE ANALYSIS THAT WE LOOK AT AND LOOKING AT THE, AT THE CITIZEN VOTING AGE POPULATION, GOING BACK UP TO THE TOP THERE, YOU'LL SEE HERE WHERE WE SAY THE DEVIATION FROM THE IDEAL, AND THEN THE PERCENT DEVIATION, ESSENTIALLY, IT'S, IT'S A MATHEMATICAL EQUATION TO DETERMINATION.
WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT A DEVIATION FROM THE IDEAL IS IT'S JUST TAKING THE TOTAL POPULATION OF 1 0 9, 8 56 AND DIVIDING THAT BY THE NUMBER OF DISTRICTS.
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THAT BY FIVE.AND IT'S THAT NUMBER WE USE TO DETERMINE, AS WE WERE DISCUSSING EARLIER, THERE CAN BE NO GREATER THAN A 10% DEVIATION.
THAT'S HOW WE DETERMINE WHAT YOUR SPECIFIC DEVIATION IS.
SO THERE'S, THERE IS THE CURRENT DISTRICTS ARE WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF UNDER THAT 10% THRESHOLD.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, WE HAVE THE DEMOGRAPHIC BREAKDOWNS AS WELL.
UM, FOR BOTH THE CITIZEN VOTING AGE POPULATION AND TOTAL POPULATION, AND IN THE UPCOMING SLIDES, I'LL SHOW YOU THAT GRAPHICALLY BY CENSUS BLOCK ON THE MAPS.
HERE'S AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT HERE.
SO RIGHT NOW, AS WE DISCUSSED THE SCENT, THE CURRENT DISTRICTS, OUR POPULATION BALANCED USING THE 2020 CENSUS DATA.
SO MEANING YOU'RE IN YOU'RE IN THAT 10% THRESHOLD, WE ARE CURRENTLY REVIEWING AND WE'LL HAVE THIS REVIEW COMPLETE IN BETWEEN NOW AND DECEMBER 7TH, WHICH IS THE NEXT HEARING HERE, REVIEWING THE DISTRICTS TO SEE IF THEY ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE APPLICABLE FEDERAL AND STATE VOTING LAWS.
SO IT'S PARTICULARLY THE FEDERAL VOTING RIGHTS ACT, AS WELL AS AB 8 49 COMPLAINTS.
IF WEST COVINA DETERMINES THAT THERE ARE NO ISSUES WITH THE FEDERAL AND STATE VOTING LAWS, THEN THE COUNCIL AT THAT POINT CAN MAKE A DECISION.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO CONTINUE THE REDISTRICTING PROCESS TO CONSIDER CHANGES TO NEIGHBORHOODS AND COMMUNITIES OF INTEREST, IF ANY, AND REFINE THE CURRENT DISTRICT LINES, OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO KEEP THE CURRENT DISTRICTS AS IS? I WANT TO STRESS THAT THAT IS IF THERE ARE NO, UH, ISSUES AND COMPLIANCE WITH FEDERAL AND STATE VOTING LAWS.
AND REGARDLESS OF THAT DECISION WEST COVINA MUST STILL HOLD THE FOUR REQUIRED HEARINGS AND PASSING ADOPTED AN ORDINANCE TO ADOPT THE DISTRICT BOUNDARIES, EITHER CURRENT OR CHANGED.
SO REGARDLESS OF WHETHER, WHETHER THEY MAKE THE DECISION, IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S NO ISSUES TO KEEP DISTRICTS AS IS, OR, OR DO THE REDISTRICTING PROCESS STILL NEED TO GO THROUGH THE FOUR PUBLIC HEARINGS.
AS I MENTIONED, THE CENSUS BUREAU GIVES US DATA FOR CITIZEN VOTING AGE POPULATION, AND A VARIETY OF STATISTICS BY CENSUS BLOCK.
SO YOU'LL SEE EACH, EACH ONE OF THESE NEXT MAPS SHOWS A PARTICULAR DEMOGRAPHIC, UH, BY CENSUS BLOCK.
AND YOU'LL SEE THAT THE DIFFERENT GEOGRAPHY FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE THAT'S THE CENSUS BUREAU DEFINES THOSE.
AND THEN WE OVERLAY THAT WITH THE DEMOGRAPHIC DATA OR EACH ONE OF THESE MAPS, YOU'LL SEE THE COLORING SCHEME FOR THE PERCENTAGES IS THE EXACT SAME.
SO THE PURPLE AND BLUE COLORS DENOTE A LOWER PERCENTAGE FOR A PARTICULAR DEMOGRAPHIC AND THE ORANGE AND REDDISH COLORS, DENOTE A HIGHER PERCENTAGE.
SO HERE WE'RE SHOWING THE LATINO CITIZEN VOTING AGE POPULATION, UH, AND YOU CAN SEE, PARTICULARLY IN THE CENTER AND THE NORTHERN PARTS OF THE CITY, THERE ARE SOME PRETTY SIGNIFICANT CONCENTRATIONS OF LATINO CITIZEN VOTING AGE POPULATION.
AND ACTUALLY, IF YOU GO BACK HERE, YOU CAN SEE THAT CURRENTLY IN TERMS OF CITIZEN VOTING AGE, POPULATION DISTRICTS, ONE, TWO, AND THREE HAVE MAJORITY, UH, LATINO DISTRICTS IN TERMS OF CITIZEN VOTING AGE POPULATION HERE IS THE ASIAN AMERICAN CITIZEN VOTING AGE POPULATION.
AND AGAIN, THE SOUTHERN AND EASTERN PORTIONS OF THE CITIES HAVE SOME CONCENTRATIONS OF, UH, ASIAN AMERICAN CITIZEN VOTING AGE POPULATION HERE IS THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN CITIZEN VOTING AGE POPULATION.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT WE GET FROM THE CENSUS BUREAU IS WHAT'S CALLED THE AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY.
SO EACH HOUSEHOLD GETS A CENSUS BUREAU FORM, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S ONE IN 15 OR ONE IN 17 HOUSEHOLDS, GET A, A FURTHER IN-DEPTH SURVEY.
MAYBE YOU, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE, ANYONE GOT THAT AND IT ASKS MORE IN-DEPTH QUESTIONS RELATED TO, UM, ARE YOU, DO YOU RENT YOUR HOUSE OR DO YOU OWN YOUR HOUSE? UH, WHAT LANGUAGE IS SPOKEN AT HOME? WHAT'S YOUR INCOME LEVEL? AND SO IF YOU GET, IF YOU GET ONE OF THOSE DEEPER SURVEYS THAT GETS INFORMATION INTO WHAT'S CALLED THE AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY, AND THAT'S WHERE WE GET THIS DATA FROM, AND I GAVE YOU BY WAVING EXAMPLE HERE, UM, THIS IS PERCENTAGE RENTERS WITHIN THE CITY.
AND WE GET, LIKE I SAID, MULTIPLE DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT SETS.
YOU GET LANGUAGES SPOKEN AT HOME FROM HERE, INCOME STATISTICS, WHICH IS RIGHT HERE.
UH, THEN THEY DENOTE AGAIN, INCOME OF $75,000 OR MORE.
AND THERE'S, THERE'S MULTIPLE DIFFERENT SETS HERE THAT YOU CAN, WE CAN SHOW YOU AND PUT GRAPHICALLY IF, IF THERE ARE, IF THERE'S INTEREST NOW,
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WE'D LIKE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SPECIFIC AB 8 49 DEFINITIONS WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NEIGHBORHOODS AND COMMUNITIES OF INTEREST.BECAUSE AGAIN, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD ON, THE REDISTRICTING PROCESS NEED TO CONSIDER WHETHER THERE ARE PARTICULAR AREAS THAT YOU AS THE GENERAL PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO DEFINE AS EITHER A NEIGHBORHOOD OR COMMUNITY OF INTEREST.
SO NEIGHBORHOODS ARE EXACTLY WHAT YOU WOULD THINK THEY ARE THE GEOGRAPHIC BOUNDARY.
THEY COULD HAVE NATURAL DIVIDING LINES, MOUNTAINS, RIVERS STREAMS COULD HAVE UNNATURAL DIVIDING LINES LIKE ROADS, HIGHWAYS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, OR IT CAN BE A PARTICULAR LANDMARK.
SO AN AREA AROUND A PARK OR A SCHOOL OR OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD LANDMARKS.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT COMMUNITIES OF INTEREST, IT TAKES THAT IDEA OF A GEOGRAPHIC AREA AND ADDS A SHARED ISSUE OR CHARACTERISTIC ON TOP OF IT.
SO IT COULD BE A SHARED SOCIAL OR ECONOMIC INTEREST, MAYBE BE AN AREA IMPACTED BY CITY OR COUNTY POLICIES THAT HAVE SIMILAR.
AND WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR YOU TO DO IS TELL US YOUR COMMUNITY STORY AND THE QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR.
AND YOU'LL SEE IN QUOTES THERE, THIS IS TAKEN DIRECTLY FROM AB 8 49 AS TO HOW THEY DEFINE A COMMUNITY OF INTEREST.
WOULD THIS COMMUNITY BENEFIT FROM BEING INCLUDED WITHIN A SINGLE DISTRICT FIRST PURPOSES OF ITS EFFECTIVE AND FAIR REPRESENTATION, OR WOULD IT BENEFIT MORE FROM HAVING MULTIPLE REPRESENTATIVES? THAT'S A POLICY CHOICE FOR BOTH YOU AND THE COUNCIL TO ME, AND TO GIVE US FEEDBACK ON ONE IMPORTANT THING TO REMEMBER IS THAT DEFINITIONS OF COMMUNITIES OF INTEREST MAY NOT INCLUDE RELATIONSHIPS WITH POLITICAL PARTIES, INCUMBENTS OR POLITICAL CANDIDATES JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU SOME POTENTIAL IDEAS FOR NEIGHBORHOODS AND COMMUNITIES.
AND JUST BEFORE I GET INTO THAT, I WANT TO MAKE, SAY, THIS IS BY NO MEANS AN EXHAUSTIVE LIST.
JUST SOMETHING TO KIND OF BEGIN THE DISCUSSION.
AND IF YOU CAN ADD TO THIS, YOU CAN TAKE AWAY FROM THIS.
PLEASE GIVE US YOUR FEEDBACK ON THIS.
SO POTENTIALLY THE FREEWAY CORRIDOR IN SOME OF THE, UH, COMMERCIAL AREAS, THE AZUSA AVENUE CORRIDOR WITHIN THE CITY, ARE THERE PARTICULAR HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS OR NEIGHBORHOODS THAT MIGHT MAKE SENSE TO DEFINE AS A COMMUNITY OF INTEREST? AND REMEMBER THAT THESE ARE SPECIFIC AREAS THAT IF THEY MAKE SENSE WOULD BE AN AREA THAT YOU WANT TO KEEP TOGETHER FOR ITS PURPOSES OF EFFECTIVE AND FAIR REPRESENTATION.
SO TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT THE PROCESS HERE.
AND WE ALSO BE LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK ON, ARE THERE AREAS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO DEFINE THAT MEET THE AB 8 49 DEFINITION OR NEIGHBORHOODS AND COMMUNITIES OF INTEREST THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO, TO, TO FLAG AND STATE? IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO KEEP TOGETHER IN ONE DISTRICT, ONE FINAL SLIDE HERE, AND WE'LL OPEN UP FOR QUESTIONS.
WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE TIMELINE HERE? SO OUR FIRST PUBLIC WORKSHOP IS TONIGHT AND IT COUNTS AS A HEARING FOR THE, FOR THE REQUIREMENTS.
THERE NEEDS TO BE AT LEAST FOUR PUBLIC HEARINGS.
AS I MENTIONED, THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE ON DECEMBER 7TH.
AND THEN WE'RE STILL DETERMINING IN 2022, WHEN THE FINAL TWO HEARINGS WILL BE, UM, WE'LL, WE'LL BE SURE TO POST THOSE ONE ONCE WE HAVE THAT.
BUT AGAIN, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THAT THE FOUR HEARINGS HAVE TO BE COMPLETED AND A MAP AND AN ELECTION SEQUENCE HAS TO BE DETERMINED BY NO LATER THAN APRIL 17TH, 2022, TO BE ABLE TO SUBMIT ON TIME TO LAUNCH AN ENDLESS COUNTY REGISTRAR OF VOTERS.
AND THIS MAP AND ELECTION SEQUENCE THAT IS DETERMINED WILL BE USED IN THE NOVEMBER 20, 22 ELECTIONS AND BEYOND.
SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO STOP HERE AND WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR GET FEEDBACK FROM YOU REGARDING, UH, COMMUNITIES THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO LIKE TO DEFINE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
IF YOU J D WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME TO THE MIC OR WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO BRING YOU A MIC? WANT ME TO COME? I'LL COME TO YOU.
MY FIRST QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH THE POSSIBILITY DO TO CHANGE AND THE BOUNDARIES.
WHAT HAPPENS IF THERE THAT CHANGE TAKES PLACE? AND THE COUNCIL CURRENTLY SITTING ON THERE THAT IS SCHEDULED TO RUN FOR ELECTION 20, 24 IS NOW UNDER THE 20, 22 BOUNDARY GUIDELINES.
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SO THAT HOPEFULLY YOU CAN UNDERSTAND MY QUESTION.THOSE THAT WILL BE RUNNING FOR OFFICE IN 2022 OR OKAY.
BUT IF THE BOUNDARIES CHANGE, THOSE THAT ARE SCHEDULED TO RUN IN 2024, I BELIEVE IS WHAT YOU SAID.
WHAT IF ALL OF A SUDDEN THEIR DISTRICT THEY'RE OUT OF THE DISTRICT OR THEY'RE IN A DISTRICT NOW THAT CALLS FOR THE ELECTION IN 2022? YES.
SO, SO THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO, TO SERVE OUT THEIR TERM.
UM, BUT IT, IT WOULD, IT, IT, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A COUNCIL DECISION IN TERM, AND IT'S OBVIOUSLY WITH, WITH FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC AS TO WHAT THAT ELECTION SEQUENCE WOULD BE.
UM, SO IT'S, THERE'S THERE'S DISCRETION IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO SAY YES, UM, WHICH, WHICH DISTRICTS, AGAIN, YOU WANT TO, YOU WANT TO PUT INTO 20, 22 AND PUT INTO 20, 24.
MY SECOND QUESTION IS IN REGARDS TO COMMUNITY OF INTEREST, WHAT HAPPENS IF THE CHANGE IN, OR THE CONSIDERATION OF COMMUNITY INTERESTS SUCH AS ECONOMICS OR SOCIAL, MAYBE ETHNICITY, I'M NOT SURE WHAT OTHER FACTOR MAY PLAY A ROLE IN THAT, UM, CHANGE IT SHIT MAKES THE BOUNDARY LINE NO LONGER.
CONTIGUOUS IS THE WORD I BELIEVE YOU USED.
SO AN IMPORTANT ONE, BECAUSE ONCE YOU REMEMBER, I SPECIFICALLY USE THE TERM WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NEIGHBOR UNDIVIDED NEIGHBORHOODS AND COMMUNITIES OF INTEREST WHEN PRACTICABLE.
SO, AND REMEMBER THAT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CALIFORNIA CRITERIA FOR CITIES AND SPECIFICALLY THE ONES IN THE LIGHT, THE LIGHT BLUE BOX THERE, THOSE ARE RANK ORDERED.
SO GEOGRAPHIC CONTIGUITY IS A HIGHER RANK THAN COMMUNITIES OF INTEREST ARE.
AND LET ME, LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
LET'S SAY YOU DEFINE A, A COMMUNITY OF INTEREST, BUT IT'S LARGER THAN, FOR EXAMPLE, IN TERMS OF POPULATION, THEN WHAT WOULD BE IN THE ALLOWABLE DEVIATION? OKAY.
SO YOU CAN DEFINE THAT, DEFINE THAT COMMUNITY, BUT BECAUSE OF THAT, YOU'RE HAVING MORE THAN A 10% DEVIATION IN THAT INSTANCE, THE FEDERAL VOTING RIGHTS ACT TAKES PRECEDENT OVER KEEPING THAT COMMUNITY OF INTEREST TOGETHER.
AND THAT COULD BE AN EXAMPLE AS A REASON WHY YOU MIGHT SPLIT THAT UP.
SO IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT WHEN WE IDENTIFY COMMUNITIES OF INTEREST, IT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE TRY TO SHOOT FOR.
BUT IF THERE ARE REASONS AND, AND ITEMS THAT HAVE A HIGHER PRIORITY IN TERMS OF RANKING, WHETHER THAT'D BE A FEDERAL VOTING RIGHTS ACT OR GEOGRAPHIC CONTIGUITY, THAT WOULD BE A REASON TO SPLIT THAT UP.
I THINK ANGIE HAD A QUESTION, UM, QUESTION FOR THOSE THAT ARE INTERESTED IN SUBMITTING A PRETEND, YOU KNOW, A POTENTIAL PLAN SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, PRETENDING THAT WE ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO LOOK AT PLANS SUBMITTED BY THE PUBLIC, WILL THERE BE, I AM INFORMATION OR EXAMPLE NORTH OF THE FREEWAY, WHAT THAT POPULATION EXISTS HORIZONTALLY FROM WEST TO EAST, WILL THE NUMBERS BE PROVIDED, UM, SO THAT SOMEONE COULD ESTIMATE, UM, BASED ON THE NUMBER OF, TO DIVIDING FOR THE, YOU KNOW, DIVIDING EQUALLY, COULD NUMBERS BE PROVIDED FOR NORTH OF THE FREEWAY, FROM WEST TO EAST, TO THE RESIDENTS TO SO THEY CAN MAKE A CALCULATION FOR THEIR SUBMITTED PLAN? UM, YEAH.
THAT'S THAT'S NUMBERS THAT, THAT WE CAN RUN.
AND, UM, YEAH, WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT.
MY QUESTION IS SIMILAR TO HIM, MRS. GUILLEN HANDS.
UH, WHEN WE DID THIS THE LAST TIME, UH, THE CITIZENS, UH, SUBMITTED, I BELIEVE IT WAS 20 DIFFERENT PLANS, UH, OF HOW TO DRAW THE BOUNDARIES AND THE, UH, UH, COUNCIL SELECTED ONE OF THOSE 20, UH, AND THE CITY PROVIDED SOFTWARE TO THE CITIZENS, UH, THROUGH THE INTERNET SO THAT EACH CENSUS TRACK POPULATION WAS DETAILED SO THAT THE CITIZENS COULD DRAW THE BOUNDARIES AND DO THE MATH, UH, DIRECTLY IN THE SOFTWARE.
AND I DON'T SEE ANY MENTION OF A CITIZEN PARTICIPATION IN THIS PROCESS THAT THE WAY YOU'VE DESCRIBED IT.
AND I WOULD BE LOOKING FOR THAT IN
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THE PROCESS.UH, THERE WOULD BE ONE NEW ELEMENT THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE INTRODUCED THIS TIME.
UH, IF THIS CITIZEN IS PROPOSING THE CHANGE FROM THE EXISTING BOUNDARY, I THINK THEY WOULD HAVE TO STATE THE REASONS WHY IT WOULD LIKE THE CHANGE IN BASED ON, UH, THE RULES AND GOALS THAT YOU'VE OUTLINED THERE, UH, DINO TO JUSTIFY THE FACT THAT THEY WANT THE BOUNDARIES DIFFERENT.
THEY'D HAVE TO BE, I THINK, UH, CONSISTENT WITH SOME OF THOSE RULES AND GOALS THAT THEY HAVE BEEN OUTLINED.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THE MECHANICAL PART OF IT SHOULD BE THE SAME THAT CITIZENS SHOULD BE ABLE TO SUBMIT A RECOMMENDED, UH, BOUNDARIES, UH, FOR THE DISTRICTS.
UH, AND I'M DISTURBED THAT THERE'S NO ILLUSION TO THAT IN THE PROCESS THE WAY YOU'VE OUTLINED IT.
SO I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE CITY HAS MADE A DETERMINATION YET, WHETHER WHETHER THAT, THAT PROCESS IS GOING TO TAKE PLACE, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CERTAINLY BRING UP WITH STAFF.
I'M JUST SAYING THE PURPOSE OF THIS MEETING TODAY.
I AT LEAST ACCORDING TO THE AGENDA WAS TO TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING WHAT I'M SAYING.
UH, THIS IS GERMANE TO THE PROCESS THAT'S GOING TO BE UNDERGONE.
THE WAY IT WAS DESCRIBED WAS WE MIGHT, WE COULD TALK ABOUT VAGUE THINGS, LIKE WHAT WE THINK IS A COMMUNITY OF INTEREST, BUT THAT ISN'T, THAT ISN'T WHAT THE ACTUAL REAL PROCESS IS ABOUT.
REAL PROCESSES ABOUT DRAWING LINES ON A MAP.
BUT THERE THERE'S VERY, THERE'S VERY SPECIFIC REGULATIONS ASSOCIATED.
AS I MENTIONED HERE, THAT THE TWO INITIAL MEETINGS HAVE TO BE PRIOR.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST TWO HEARINGS PRIOR TO BEING ABLE TO DRAW MAPS.
AND SO, SO WE'RE NOT CAN'T SPECIFY.
I, I, I REALIZED THAT THE MAPS AREN'T GOING TO BE DRAWN RIGHT NOW.
MY POINT WAS THAT THE PROCESS HAS TO HAVE ROOM FOR THAT.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.
THAT'S IT? UM, REMIND ME, I THOUGHT YOU ALSO SAID THERE WAS GOING TO BE A SELECTED COMMITTEE THAT WAS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED.
WHAT IS THAT? COULD YOU CLARIFY THAT OR DID I MISUNDERSTOOD? I DIDN'T MAKE MENTION OF A COMMITTEE.
SO RE UH, SORRY, I'LL GO REAL QUICK.
UM, I, I THINK THE CONCERN THE JIM WAS TRYING TO CONVEY IS PROBABLY MY CONCERN AS WELL, AND MAYBE EVEN ANGIE'S, UH, AND IF I'M WRONG, I APOLOGIZE.
I THINK THE CONCERN IS, IS WE, I THINK WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S TWO MEETINGS THAT HAVE TO HAPPEN BEFORE ANY TYPE OF MAP DRAFTING PROCESS.
I THINK THE CONCERN IS, IS THIS SEEMS LIKE A MEETING TO SAY, HERE'S THE PROCESS, BUT THE PROCESS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, ISN'T EVEN IN THE LIST OF THINGS TO DO OR, OR IN THAT LIST, AT LEAST I DIDN'T SEE IT.
UM, AND SO I THINK THERE'S A CONCERN THAT IT'S GOING TO BE GLOSSED OVER.
UM, AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONCERNS THAT I REMEMBER FROM THE LAST DISTRICTING PROCESS, WHICH WAS THE FIRST TIME WE DID THIS, THE, THE DRAFT PROCESS THAT THE MAP DRAFTING, WHICH I'M ASSUMING MAY OR MAY NOT HAPPEN HERE, UM, TOOK THE LONGEST, I MEAN, IT WENT FOR WEEKS AND MEETINGS AND, AND, AND ALL OF THAT KIND OF STUFF.
THEY GAVE TONS AND TONS AND TONS OF TIME.
UM, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THIS IS, YOU KNOW, TWO QUICK MEETINGS RIGHT AWAY.
I UNDERSTAND GET THOSE OFF THE THING WE CAN MOVE TO THE NEXT STEP, BUT IT JUST SEEMS TO ME LIKE WHAT JIM WAS SAYING.
AND I THINK ANGIE, THAT IT JUST DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THERE WAS EVEN A PLAN IN THERE TO SAY, THIS IS WHEN WE HOPE TO DO MAPS.
CAUSE I TAKE IT AS THERE'S FOUR MEETINGS RESPONSES THAT HAVE TO BE RESPONDED TO ARE DONE.
AND, BUT THE COUNCIL COULD CHOOSE JUST TO NOT TAKE ANY MAPS.
THAT'S WHY I'M UNDERSTANDING IS THAT CORRECT? THEY COULD CHOOSE JUST TO KEEP IT THE SAME WAY.
IT'S A, IT'S A, AS LONG AS AGAIN, THERE ARE, THERE ARE NO CONCERNS RELATED TO EITHER THE FEDERAL OR CALIFORNIA VOTING LAWS, THEN YES.
THAT IS A DECISION THAT THEY COULD MAKE.
AGAIN, WE WILL CIRCLE BACK WITH, WITH STAFF REGARDING THE, OKAY, SO BASED ON YOUR COMPANY'S EXPERTISE, AND THIS IS WHAT YOU GUYS DO FOR A LIVING, UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE 2.7% VARIATION THAT FALLS WITHIN THAT 10% VARIATION.
SO THE REALITY, UNLESS YOU FIND SOMETHING IN THIS OTHER REPORT THAT YOU'RE LOOKING UP, THEN YOU'LL HAVE BY DECEMBER 7TH, UM, RIGHT NOW IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT THERE IS A REASON FOR THEM TO EVEN CONSIDER A NEW BOUNDARY.
WOULD THAT BE AN THAT I'M READING RIGHT NOW? WE'RE WE'RE AGAIN, WE'RE REVIEWING, WE'RE REVIEWING THAT.
YES, BUT THAT'S, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT THE, THAT'S NOT THE ONLY THING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT.
SO, SO IF WE GO BACK TO THE PERCENTAGE OF SAYING REAL QUICK, IF YOU COULD, I FORGET THE SLIDE NUMBER SEVEN, THERE
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WE GO.SO ON HERE, YOU'RE SHOWING 2.7, 7% DEVIATION, AND EACH DISTRICT IS GIVE OR TAKE A HALF A PERCENT OF SAY, ONE OF THEM'S EVEN AT FIVE TENTS ARE FIVE HUNDREDS, BUT YOU'RE ONLY LOOKING AT A COUPLE PERCENTAGE POINTS AT MOST FOR EACH ONE, 2.7 FOR THE WHOLE CITY.
UM, BARRING A, ANOTHER REPORT THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET FOR DECEMBER 7TH, BASED ON JUST WHAT WE'RE SEEING AS RESIDENTS.
THIS REPORT DOES NOT LOOK LIKE THAT.
AND I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE LOOKING FOR MORE DATA.
UM, BUT I'M TAKING THIS AT FACE VALUE, JUST LIKE YOU'RE SHOWING IT AT FACE VALUE.
UM, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THERE'S EVEN A NEED TO CONSIDER CHANGING LINES.
UM, AND SO I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS IF THE COUNCIL DECIDES NOT TO CHANGE LINES, WHAT DOES THAT PROCESS, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN WE'RE GOING TO PUT IT OUT FOR DRAFT MAPS, LIKE ANGIE ASKED WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE NUMBERS? HOW DO WE DRAW MAPS? LIKE WE DID LAST TIME.
CAUSE THERE WAS ALL THAT DATA, LIKE JIM MENTIONED ONLINE, ALL THIS STUFF, OR ARE WE I'M GOING TO SPEAK FOR MYSELF? I DON'T THINK THIS COUNCIL LISTENS MUCH TO THIS COMMUNITY ANYWAYS.
SO MY BELIEF IS THEY'RE GOING TO JUST RUBBER STAMP THIS THROUGH AFTER FOUR THINGS AND KEEP IT THE SAME WAY AND NOT MAKE A CHANGE AGAIN, THAT'S MY OPINION.
I'M NOT PUTTING WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH.
UM, BUT IT'S, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE IT, BASED ON THIS, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY COULD DO THAT.
SO I KIND OF WANT TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCES THAT THEY HAVE TO WORK THEIR WAY THROUGH, WHETHER THEY DECIDE TO KEEP A MAP, KEEPS THE CURRENT LIST, OR IT KEEPS THE STRIPES, UM, THE LINES OR IF THEY HAVE, IF THEY DO DECIDE TO GO WITH A MAP PROCESS, THOSE ARE TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ROADS.
AND I WANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT IF I COULD PLEASE.
SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ROADS AS I, AS I MENTIONED HERE.
SO REGARDLESS AND W AND, UH, WE WANT TO BE VERY, VERY CLEAR.
WE HAVE NOT COMPLETED OUR DETERMINATION YET.
SO WE ARE NOT SAYING EITHER WAY, YOU CAN KEEP YOUR DISTRICTS OR YOU CAN'T.
SO THAT, THAT HAS NOT BEEN COMPLETED YET, REGARDLESS OF THE OUTCOME OF THAT ANALYSIS, THE CITY COUNCIL STILL HAS TO HOLD FOUR PUBLIC HEARINGS ON, ON A MAP.
AND IF, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, THEY SAY, WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD ON, ON THE PROCESS AND DOING THE REDISTRICTING.
WE CAN S WE WILL, AGAIN, CIRCLE BACK WITH STAFF AND WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION RELATED TO, WILL THERE BE AN ONLINE MAPPING TOOL OFFERED OR THOSE TYPES OF THINGS THAT JUST HASN'T BEEN DETERMINED YET? UH, WE CAN, WE CAN, YEAH, I CAN.
FIRST OF ALL, WE CAN, WE, THIS, WE COULD PROBABLY PUT THIS PRESENTATION ONLINE AND THEN, AND THEN I CAN, SO UNDER THE CITY CLERKS DEPARTMENT, THERE'S A TAB THAT SAYS 20, 21 REDISTRICTING, AND THERE, IT SHOWS THE TENTATIVE SCHEDULE THAT IT HAS TODAY'S TOWN HALL MEETING, AND IT HAS A TAB THAT SAYS DOCUMENTS.
AND SO IF YOU CLICK ON THAT, YOU GET THIS POWERPOINT PRESENTATION YOU'RE WELCOME.
AND THAT WEBSITE WILL BE UPDATED AS WE GET INFORMATION.
AS WE ESTABLISHED MEETING DATES, THAT WEBSITE WILL BE UPDATED.
SO IN THE 2016 TIMEFRAME, WHEN THIS FIRST WAS DONE, UH, I THINK IT WAS 2016.
UM, LIKE JIM SAID, THERE WAS 20 PLUS MAPS SUBMITTED.
ARE THOSE MAPS STILL ON FILE HERE AT THE CITY OF THE ONES THAT WERE ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED BACK IN 2016? DO WE HAVE THOSE ON FILE HERE, OR AT LEAST THE DATA FOR EACH ONE I CAN GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT.
SO MY, MY REASON WHY I'M ASKING AND I'LL, YOU'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO GET BACK TO ME ON THIS ONE TOO.
SO I'LL JUST KIND OF THROW IT OUT THERE.
UM, I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW IF THEY GO DOWN AND, AND WE GET INTO THE DRAFTING OF MAPS, I WOULD LIKE TO REGURGITATE THOSE MAPS AND SEE IF THEY MEET REQUIREMENTS.
CAUSE IF THEY COME BACK AND SAY THESE CURRENT DISTRICTS, DON'T, UM, RATHER THAN RECREATING THE WHEEL ON SOME OF THOSE MAPS, I'D LIKE TO REGURGITATE SOME OF THEM AND GET THE DATA AND SEE IF IT'S WHAT'S CURRENT BASED ON THOSE LINES.
UM, AND HOPEFULLY SAVE THE PUBLIC SOME TIME IN DRAFTING SOME APPS.
I'M SURE A LOT OF PEOPLE, IF IT GETS TO THAT POINT WOULD WANT TO REENTER SOME THINGS.
AND SO I THINK THOSE MAPS WOULD BE, UM, GOOD HISTORICAL DATA AS WELL AS POSSIBLY SOMETHING THAT IF THE COUNCIL MOVES FORWARD, UH, AND WITH MAPS, WE CAN START THERE.
I UNDERSTAND IF WE GO DOWN THE ROAD OF GENERATING MAPS, SINCE THE POPULATIONS INCREASE, ETHNICITIES CHANGED, UM, COMMUNITY OF INTEREST IS OF COMMON GONE.
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THE CITY CURRENTLY HAVE A BREAKOUT OF ALL THOSE CHANGES OR WILL THE BE PART OF THAT PROCESS? MY SECOND QUESTION IS WHEN, WHEN, SORRY, JUST NOT TO INTERRUPT, BUT WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU SAY THE BREAKDOWN OF ALL OF THOSE CHANGES, R I PRECINCTS, OR BY DISTRICTS, CURRENT DISTRICTS, YOU, YOU WANT TO SEE, SO THIS, WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE PRESENTED TONIGHT WAS THE 2020 DATED.DID YOU WANT TO SEE WHAT THE, WHAT THE 2010 DATA IS WITH THE CURRENT DISTRICT? I JUST WANT TO MAKE, CLARIFY WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR.
MAYBE YOU'VE ALREADY SHOWN IT AND I'M JUST SO BLIND.
AND I WASN'T PAYING CLOSE ATTENTION OBVIOUSLY, BUT, UM, I WAS HOPING THAT AT SOME POINT THE CITY WOULD SHOW A BREAKOUT, THE CURRENT DATA OF THE CHANGES AND ETHNICITY POPULATION, THE FACTORS THAT WERE RELEVANT DURING THE FIRST, UH, PROCESS AND CREATION OF DISTRICTS.
DID YOU HAVE A SLIDE ON THAT TONIGHT? I MAY HAVE MISSED IT.
OH, I JUST, I JUST SHOWED THE 20, 20 DEMOGRAPHICS, BUT YOU, SO YOU WERE SAYING, WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE A SLIDE THAT'S LIKE THIS, BUT ALSO WITH THE 2010 DEMOGRAPHICS TO SEE, SEE WHAT'S CHANGED, THE PERSON WOULD BE GOOD.
BUT I ALSO, UM, WE'D LIKE IT TO BE, WHAT'S GIVING A SPECIFIC OF COURSE, RIGHT.
I HAD A CONSENSUS, NOT THE DATA FROM THE CONSENSUS.
CAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S FAR GREATER.
IT HAS TO BE SPECIFIC TO US, COULD BE NUTS.
AND THAT'S WHAT I WASN'T SURE IF YOU HAD SHOWN TONIGHT OR NOT.
IT IS, THAT IS, THAT IS, THAT IS THE EXISTING DISTRICTS AS DRAWN WITH THE NEW 20, 20 DATA.
MY SECOND QUESTION, WHICH IS REAL EASY.
ONE IS THIS ONE OF THE FOUR HEARINGS FOR THE MAP PROCESS THAT YOU JUST RESPONDED.
SO THERE'S FOUR THERE'S FOUR TOTAL, TOTAL HEARINGS, TWO THAT ARE PRIOR TO THE DRAFT MAPS, AND THEN TO POST WHAT WE CALL POST-MATCH HEARINGS.
SO THIS, THIS COUNTS FOR ONE OF THE TWO FREE MAP HEARINGS.
THIS IS ABSENT MAP CONSIDERATION.
THIS IS MORE, JUST A GENERAL OVERVIEW OF THE YES.
AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE TWO OF THOSE PRIOR TO EVEN CONSIDERING MAPS REQUIRED.
THERE WAS A LOT OF WORK PUT INTO THE MAPS THAT WE HAVE.
NOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE WAS ENORMOUS PARTICIPATION.
I DON'T THINK THAT THE CITY HAS HAD ANY OTHER ACTIVITY AT ALL THAT HAD THIS MUCH PARTICIPATION.
IS THAT MAP DRAWING? YEAH, I THINK, I THINK WHAT JIM JUST SAID IS RIGHT THERE WAS, THERE WAS AN IMMENSE AMOUNT OF WORK AND I KNOW IT WAS THE FIRST TIME WE EVER DID DISTRICTS AND THERE'S STILL ANIMOSITY OF WHETHER WE SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T HAVE DISTRICTS.
UM, IN FACT, THERE'S ONLY ONE PERSON ON THIS COUNCIL WHO WAS ON THE COUNCIL WHEN THE LAST DISTRICTS WERE DONE AND HE OPENLY WANTED AGAINST DISTRICTS.
NOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE WANTS TO DO NOW.
HE'S CHANGED HIS MIND ON EVERYTHING.
BUT, UM, BUT I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT FOUR PEOPLE UP THERE WHO DON'T HAVE A CLUE AS TO HOW THE FIGHT WENT BEFORE, UNLESS THEY WERE PAYING ATTENTION AS A RESIDENT.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY DID OR NOT.
I KNOW ONE OF THEM'S HUSBAND WAS ANIMATED AGAINST DISTRICTS, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S, UH, IT WAS BACK AND FORTH TOO WITH THE WIND.
UM, SO YEAH, I THINK THE BIG QUESTION FOR ME IS, I KNOW WE'VE GOT TO DO ONE MORE MEETING, WHICH SOUNDS LIKE THAT MEETING IS MORE DOG AND PONY OF NUMBERS, UH, THAN IT IS REALLY ANYTHING SUBSTANTIAL FOR US.
UM, SO I GUESS GET THAT OUT OF THE WAY SO WE CAN DETERMINE IF WE'RE GETTING THE MAPS, BECAUSE IF WE'RE REDRAWING MAPS, WE NEED TIME.
AND I DON'T THINK THIS COUNCIL IS GOING TO GIVE US THAT TIME, BUT THAT'S MY OPINION.
UM, AND SO THEN AT THAT POINT, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF SEEING WHERE WE GO, WHICH IS KIND OF WHY I WANT TO REGURGITATE THE OLD MAPS AND SEE HOW THEY FIT INTO THIS NEW CENSUS NUMBERS TO SEE IF IT'S TAKING, LIKE JIM SAID ALL OF THAT TIME THAT WE PUT IN FIVE YEARS AGO AND BEING ABLE TO USE IT CAUSE, UM, WE GOT TO LIVE WITH WHATEVER WE DO FOR 10 MORE YEARS OR WE GOT TO LIVE WITH WHATEVER THEY DO FOR 10 MORE YEARS.
UM, THAT'S KINDA MY THOUGHTS ON IT, BUT YEAH, THAT'S WHERE I STAND IS I, I THINK WE NEED TO THIS MEETING IS PRETTY MUCH A DOG AND PONY SHOW AT THIS POINT.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WELL DONE FOR THE MIC SO WE CAN HEAR YOU.
AND THIS IS JUST FOR EDUCATIONAL REASONS FOR
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NO.WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON HERE? UM, BARRING THE IDEA OF A LEGAL CHALLENGE AND EITHER WAY IT, WOULD THIS BE THE TIME WHERE THE CITY CAN ELECT TO EITHER GO BACK TO A CHARTER CITY OR CONTINUOUS DISTRICTS, OR IS THAT A POSSIBILITY? UM, I DON'T BELIEVE WE WERE EVER A CHARTER CITY THE WAY WE ONCE WERE LARGE.
THAT'S THE WORD I WAS LOOKING FOR YESTERDAY.
AND SO THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS THAT IT'S, THERE'S, THERE'S REALLY, NO, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO OVERSTEP MY BOUNDS HERE, BUT TH THERE'S YOU'LL YOU'VE PROBABLY HEARD ABOUT, FOR EXAMPLE, THE SANTA MONICA CASE THAT IS ARGUING RIGHT NOW, IT'S GONE THROUGH THE STATE SUPREME COURT ABOUT WHETHER THERE, THERE ARE, YOU CAN GO TO, SHOULD GO TO DISTRICTS OR NOT.
THAT CITY HAS SPENT $7 MILLION ON LEGAL FEES.
AND THE PLAINTIFFS IN THAT CASE HAVE ASKED FOR $22 MILLION AND THERE HAVE BEEN SIGNIFICANT SETTLEMENTS ACROSS THE STATE RELATED TO FORCING CITIES INTO DISTRICTS.
SO THERE'S THE THERE'S IN OUR OPINION, VERY LITTLE TO NO ROOM TO GO BACK TO AN AT LARGE DISTRICT IN BITE LEE QUITE FRANKLY, WOULD PROBABLY LEAD TO A LEGAL CHALLENGE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
SO I UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGE AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE COST IS THE RECOVERY FEES FROM THE ATTORNEYS WOULD PROBABLY BANKRUPT THE CITY.
THAT WAS PROBABLY THE REASON WHY WE WENT DISTRICTS AND THEN PRESENT A CHALLENGE.
BUT MY QUESTION IS THIS, BECAUSE WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS, THE FIRST TIME MRS. BARR, LAURA, THEN CITY ATTORNEY SAID THAT WHEN CERTAIN POINT IN TIME WOULD COME WHERE THE CITY CAN ACTUALLY OPT TO GOING BACK TO AT LARGE, UM, IS THIS THAT POINT IN TIME? UH, I CAN'T, I CAN'T SPEAK TO, I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, I CAN'T OPINE ON, ON THE CITY ATTORNEY'S POSITION, BUT THAT'S FINE FROM OUR UNDERSTANDING.
IT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION A LITTLE BIT THERE.
UM, JD, CAUSE I KIND OF FOLLOWED, IT IS INTO 2016.
THE WAY THAT THE SETTLEMENT WAS EXPLAINED AT A CITY COUNCIL MEETING WAS THAT WE HAD TO HOLD TWO ELECTIONS 20 18, 20, 20 BY THEN CITY ATTORNEY I BELIEVE WAS WHO SAID IT, UM, OR THE COUNCIL OR STAFF REPORT OR WHATEVER.
AND THEN AT THAT POINT, THE CITY HAD THE OPTION.
IF THEY WANTED TO, TO GO BACK TO AN AT-LARGE CITY, WE WERE ONLY, UH, THE WAY IT WAS EXPLAINED WAS TO BE REQUIRED TO DO TWO IN THE SETTLEMENT.
THAT THAT'S HOW THAT WAS EXPLAINED TO THE PUBLIC, UM, AT THOSE MEETINGS.
UM, HIS ANSWER IS BASICALLY IF WE GO BACK, WE COULD OPEN OURSELVES UP TO ANOTHER LAWSUIT.
UM, I BELIEVE WE COULD HAVE WON THAT LAWSUIT.
I KNOW HE SAYS THERE'S MILLIONS OF DOLLARS SPENT AND HE'S RIGHT.
UM, AND I LOVE THE FACT THAT SANTA MONICA IS CURRENTLY FIGHTING THIS AND I, AND I HOPE THAT THEY WIN.
UM, BUT THE REALITY IS, IS THAT IS GOING TO HAVE TO GO PROBABLY THROUGH THE COMPLETE PROCESS, PALMDALE SETTLED, UM, AND FILED, UH, BASICALLY A SETTLEMENT.
THEY PAID A LOT OF MONEY OUT AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF OTHERS, LIKE HE'S SAYING WITH BIG SETTLEMENTS, BUT THE REALITY IS NO ACTUAL CITY HAS WENT THROUGH AND SOLVED OR, OR COMPLETED A CASE TO THE VERY END OF THIS.
AND IF IT, IF IT DOES GO THROUGH, AS HE SAID TO THE SUPREME COURT IN CALIFORNIA, WE'LL SEE WHERE THAT GOES.
BUT THAT THAT'S BASICALLY THE GIST THAT WE WERE GIVEN BACK IN 2016.
I THINK IT WAS THAT THAT ALL OF THAT WAS GIVEN WHEN THEY FIRST SIGNED IT.
AND THAT WAS WHEN, UH, LLOYD JOHNSON, MIKE SPENCE, COREY WARSHAW, UH, JAMES TOMA AND TONY WOO, I BELIEVE WAS ON THE COUNCIL.
IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THOSE WERE THE FIVE THAT WERE ON THERE THAT VOTED AND I BELIEVE TONY WOO VOTED AGAINST AND MIKE PENCE VOTED AGAINST GOING TO DISTRICTS, THE OTHER THREE VOTED FOR IT.
I THINK YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
AND THAT DOES ANSWER MY QUESTION.
SO THAT IS AN OPTION ON AN ALTERNATIVE TO MAPPING CHANGING THE, UH, THE MAP OR GOING BACK THROUGH THE MAP PROCESS THAT WE DID ORIGINALLY, THE CITY DOES HAVE THE OPTION OF YOU SAYING AT, GOING BACK TO AT LARGE ISN'T RIGHT.
AND TAKING ON THE LEGAL CHALLENGE.
OBVIOUSLY IT MAY NOT BE FEASIBLE FOR THE CITY TO DO, BUT NOT BE WISE.
NEVERTHELESS, IT IS AN OPTION AND THIS IS THE TIME FOR THAT DECISION.
I REALLY WANT TO KNOW, I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T CALL IT AN OPTION, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING AGAIN TO ASK THE CITY, YOU'RE ASK, ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY, THEIR OPINION ON THIS COUNCIL IS KNOWN TO TAKE BAD DECISIONS AS OPTIONS.
SO I WOULD STILL CALL IT AN OPTION.
DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.
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JEFF, DO YOU HAVE ANY CLOSING? NO.UH, AGAIN, WE'LL, WE'RE CONTINUING TO REVIEW, UH, WE'LL BE WRAPPING THAT UP BEFORE THE, BEFORE THE DECEMBER 7TH HEARING.
AND AGAIN, DECEMBER 7TH WILL BE THE NEXT PUBLIC HEARING ASSOCIATED WITH THIS.
AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR FEEDBACK THIS EVENING.
THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME AND HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.