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          [CALL TO ORDER]
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          THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS CALLED TO ORDER OR AUGUST 24TH, 7:00 PM. 
          AT THIS TIME, WE'LL TAKE A, UM, A MOMENT OF SILENT PRAYER OR MEDITATION FOLLOWED BY THE PLEDGE. 
          ALLEGIANCE ALLEGIANCE WILL BE LED BY COMMISSIONER LYONS. 
          HALINA CAN YOU CALL THE ROLL COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS, PRESENT COMMISSIONER GUTIERREZ, COMMISSIONER VICE CHAIR LEWIS. 
          UM, AND THEN CHAIR VISCERA HERE. 
          [1. Regular meeting, July 13, 2021]
SO MOVE TO APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. 
          DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY CHANGES TO THE MINUTES OF JULY 13TH, 2021? NONE. 
          THE MINUTES OF JULY 13TH, 2021 ARE APPROVED AND SUBMITTED. 
          WE'LL MOVE TO ORAL COMMUNICATIONS. 
          THIS IS A TIME WHEN ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC MAY SPEAK TO THE COMMISSION ON ANY MATTER WITHIN THE SCOPE OF DUTIES, ASSIGNED TO THE COMMISSION, RELATING TO NON AGENDIZED OR CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS. OTHER MATTERS INCLUDED ON THE, ON THIS AGENDA MAY BE ADDRESSED WHEN THAT ITEM IS UNDER CONSIDERATION FOR ALL ORAL COMMUNICATIONS, THE CHAIRPERSON MAY IMPOSE REASONABLE LIMITATIONS TO PUBLIC COMMENTS, TO ASSURE AN ORDER AND TIMELY MEETING. 
          UH, THE RALPH BRAND, RALPH M. BROWN ACT LIMITS THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF'S ABILITY TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THIS MEETING. 
          THUS, YOUR COMMENTS MAY BE AGENDIZED FOR A FUTURE MEETING OR REFERRED TO STAFF. 
          THE COMMISSION MAY ASK QUESTIONS FOR CLARIFICATION, IF DESIRED AT THIS TIME, MY POLICY, THE COMMISSION ORAL COMMUNICATIONS AT THIS TIME ON AGENDA IS LIMITED TO A TOTAL OF 15 MINUTES. 
          TONIGHT. 
          [3. ZONE CHANGE NO. 21-01]
WE HAVE THREE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND ONE NON HEARING ITEM WHERE WE WILL BE MOVING ITEM NUMBER THREE. 
          FIRST, WE HAVE REQUESTS FOR THAT. 
          WHAT LENA, UM, WHO WOULD BE, UM, PRESENTING THE STAFF REPORT? UH, JOANNE BURNS, OUR PLANNING MANAGER WILL BE PROVIDING THE PRESENTATION. 
          IS THERE A THOMAS KLINGLER AND UM, JUST A QUICK QUESTION. 
          UH, WE DON'T HAVE WHICH AGENDA THAT YOU WANTED TO SPEAK. 
          ITEM NUMBER THREE. 
          OKAY, GOOD EVENING. 
          HONORABLE CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND ALSO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. 
          THIS, THIS ITEM WAS INITIALLY, UM, W WAS IT, IT CAME INITIALLY CAME ABOUT DUE TO 
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OUR REQUESTS FROM THE AUTO PLAZA BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT ON JULY, 2021. 
          THE CITY COUNCIL RECEIVED A REQUEST FROM THOUGHT A PLAZA BID TO ADOPT A CODE AMENDMENT AND ZONE CHANGE FOR AN OVERLAY ZONE. 
          THE CITY COUNCIL INITIALLY INITIATED THE AMENDMENT AT THE JULY 20TH, 2021 CITY COUNCIL MEETING TONIGHT, THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL RECEIVE THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE MUNICIPAL CODE AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION WILL BE PRESENTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL AT A MAJOR CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO CLARIFY ON THE LOCATION OF THE AUTO PLAZA ZONE OVER PROPOSED OVERLAY ZONE LOCATION. 
          THE AREA ENCOMPASSES ALL SERVICE COMMERCIAL ZONE PROPERTIES LOCATED ITSELF OF THE ENTERTAINER, INTERSTATE 10 FREEWAY, EAST OF A SOUSA AVENUE NORTH OF NORMA AVENUE, WHICH IS HERE AND, AND WEST OF BAY MORE. 
          THE AREA IS HIGHLIGHTED, UM, IN PINK AND IS SURROUNDED BY THE DOTTED LINES ON THE PROJECTOR VIA THE PURPOSE OF ADOPTING AN OVERLAY ZONE WOULD BE FOR, FOR THE CITY'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO IMPROVE THE CITY'S BRANDING AND ALSO, AND ALSO, UM, TO ALLOW PROSPECTIVE CAR BUYERS FROM CITIES AND ALSO NEARBY COMMUNITIES TO RECOGNIZE THAT THE CITY OF WEST COVINA IS THAT IS A PREMIER CITY OR, UM, PURCHASING VEHICLES. 
          IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE SALES, UM, STAFF LOOKED AT SALES TAX REVENUES, UM, NEW CAR DEALERSHIPS IN COMPARE AND COMPARE THEM TO SALES TAX REVENUES FOR USED CAR DEALERSHIPS AND FOUND THAT THAT SALES TECH REVENUES GENERATED FROM NEW CAR DEALERSHIPS ARE SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER. 
          AND IN SOME YEARS, MORE THAN 10, 10 TIMES, EIGHT TIMES HIGHER THAN USED CAR DEALERSHIPS, THE, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY REGARDING THE WEST COVINA AUTO PLAZA BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT, THE WEST COVINA AUTO PLAZA AREA INITIALLY BEGAN OR STARTED IN NINE IN THE 1988 EIGHTIES WHERE THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPTED GUIDELINES THAT THAT ESTABLISHED THE DISTRICT FOR NEW CAR FOR NEW CARS. 
          THE AUTO PLAZA BID WAS AN ESTABLISHED IN 1993 FOR THE, THE PURPOSE OF THE AUTO PLAZA BID WAS TO ACT AS A TRADE ASSOCIATION OF RETAILERS OF AUTOMOBILES AND PROMOTE MUTUAL INTERESTS OF ITS MEMBERS. 
          A LAWFUL MEANS CONDUCTING ADVERTISING, SELLING AND PUBLIC RELATION CAMPAIGNS PERTAINING TO VARIOUS AUTOMOBILES SOLD IN THE AREA. 
          COVENANTS WERE RECORDED BY THE FORMER REDEVELOPMENT REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY RESTRICT BEING CERTAIN, CERTAIN PROPERTIES WITHIN THE AUTO PLAZA AREA, UH, FOR NEW CAR DEALERSHIPS ONLY. 
          AND, UM, GOING TO THE PROPOSED NEW DIVISION. 
          UH, WE, UM, STAFF IS PROPOSING THAT BASED ON THE CITY COUNCIL'S INITIATION THAT THE AUTO PLAZA OVERLAY ZONE, UM, THE, OR MADE IT ONLY FOR THE SALES OF NEW VEHICLES AS ITS PRIMARY SOLE PRIMARY USE AND ACCESSORY, AND ALSO ALLOWED ACCESSORY USES THESE ACCESSORIES. 
          THIS WOULD BE RELATED TO THE SALES OF NEW CAR OF NEW CARS WITHIN THE DEALERSHIP, WHICH WOULD BE SALES OF USED CARS LIMITED TO 30% OF THE TOTAL VEHICLE INVENTORY VEHICLE SERVICE SHOPS, CAR WASHES ARE CARWASH FOR DEALERSHIP VEHICLES, ONLY VEHICLE RENTAL FOR CUSTOMER USE UTILIZING DEALERSHIP SERVICES, ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATION, AND THE TEMPER, THE ONLY TEMPORARY USE ALLOWED WOULD BE FILMING FOR THE PURPOSE OF ADVERTISING THE SAID DEALERSHIP. 
          AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS WAS TO REQUIRE SECURITY LIGHTING THAT LIGHTS STANDARDS ARE POLES BE LIT FROM SUNSET UNTIL 9:00 PM 
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AND LIGHT STANDARDS IN POLLS HAVE DIMMER LIGHTING BETWEEN 9:00 PM AND SUNRISE. 
          THIS IS MAINLY FOR SECURITY PURPOSES AND WITH THE PROPOSED CODE AMENDMENT, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, UM, IT'S, THERE'S A CROSS SEC. 
          THERE IS, UH, THERE IS A LISTING STATING THAT THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR ALL USES WITHIN OR ALL PROPERTIES WITHIN THE AUTO PLAZA OVERLAY ZONE WILL UTILIZE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS WRITTEN IN THE NON-RESIDENTIAL USES SECTION OF THE CODE IN SOME OTHER CHANGES BEING PROPOSED ARE IN SEC IN THE, UM, FILM PERMIT SECTION, WHICH IS A CROSS REFERENCE. 
          UM, SO THAT ANYBODY LOOKING INTO THAT SECTION, UM, WILL KNOW THAT THERE IS A SEPARATE SECTION UNDER THE OVERLAY ZONE FOR, FOR THOSE CERTAIN PROPERTIES. 
          AND ALSO THERE IS ALSO A CROSS-REFERENCE IN THE LAND USE MATRIX IN THE NON-RESIDENTIAL USES THAT CLARIFY THAT THAT SECTION DOES NOT APPLY TO THE AUTO PLAZA OVERLAY ZONE SO THAT ANYBODY THAT'S LOOKING FOR A CERTAIN USES, UM, PERMITTED USES IN THE CITY WOULD, WOULD AUTOMATICALLY KNOW THAT AT THE AUTO PLAZA IS ZONE, UM, IS THAT PARTICULAR ZONE IS NOT APPLICABLE FOR THE AUTO PLAZA OVERLAY ZONE. 
          IF THIS STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER IS 20 DASH 60 91 AND 21 DASH 60 92, RECOMMENDING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVES ON CHAINS, 21 DASH ZERO ONE AND PUT AMENDMENT 21 DASHES ROAD, IT'S ONLY ONE DESK. 
          IS THERE A ONE, IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS ANY QUESTIONS I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER, JOANNE, ARE YOU, DOES THAT COMPLETE THE REPORT? YES. 
          UH, AT THIS TIME WE'LL HEAR TESTIMONY, UH, WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA OPEN PUBLIC HEARINGS. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          WE'LL HEAR TESTIMONY FROM THE APPLICANT, THE APPLICANT HERE AND HELLO. 
          HELLO, GOOD EVENING. 
          AND THANKS FOR TAKING THE TIME TO TALK TO US TONIGHT. 
          I'M PATRICK  I'M GENERAL COUNSEL FOR ENVISION MOTORS. 
          WE ARE AN AUTOMOTIVE GROUP IT'S COMPRISED OF NINE DEALERSHIPS, FOUR OF WHICH TURN WEST COVINA, AND THREE OF WHICH SIT IN THE WEST COVINA AUTO MALL. 
          UH, WEST COVINA IS OUR HEADQUARTERS AND OUR HOME HERE ON BEHALF OF ENVISION WITH THE SUPPORTIVE PERFORMANCE FORD AND NORM REEVES HONDA FELLOW, UM, PARTICIPANTS IN THE AUTO PLAZA TO SHOW SUPPORT FOR THE PROPOSED OVERLAY ZONE AND TO PROVIDE SOME REASONING, WHICH WAS SOME OF WHICH WAS TOUCHED ON EARLIER TODAY AS TO WHY IT WOULD BE MOST BENEFICIAL FOR THE CITY ITS RESIDENTS AND THE CURRENT BUSINESS OWNERS IN THE AUTO PLAZA FOR THE PROPOSED OVERLAY ZONE TO GO THROUGH. 
          NOW, MOST OF THESE REASONS STEM FROM ONE DRIVING CAUSE, AND THAT'S THE MANUFACTURERS THAT WE OPERATE WITH. 
          THE VEHICLE MANUFACTURERS REQUIRE NEW CAR DEALERS TO MEET VERY STRICT GUIDELINES AND A NUMBER OF AREAS, INCLUDING SAFETY STANDARDS, CLEANLINESS, INSURANCE SECURITY, AND IMAGE. 
          THESE REQUIREMENTS ENSURE TO THE PUBLIC THAT CERTAIN STANDARDS ARE MET AND THAT KNOWLEDGE PROVIDES THE CONSUMER AS WELL AS THE CITIES WE OPERATE IN A CERTAIN COMFORT THAT'S NOT PROVIDED OTHERWISE. 
          THAT ADDITIONAL LEVEL OF COMFORT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ENSURE THE SUCCESS AND CONTINUED GROWTH OF THE WEST COVINA AUTO PLAZA. 
          IT'S BEST FOR THE CITY FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. 
          UM, ONE OF WHICH WOULD BE THE IMAGE REQUIREMENTS BY THE MANUFACTURERS. 
          WE'RE REQUIRED TO SPEND HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS EVERY YEAR AND MILLIONS EVERY FEW YEARS ON MAINTAINING THE BUILDING SIGNAGE SHOWROOM AND ALL AREAS OF THE DEALERSHIP TO ENSURE THEY'RE CLEAN AESTHETICALLY PLEASING AND SECURE. 
          EVERY FEW YEARS, WE INVEST LARGE CAPITAL EXPENDITURES IN NEW OUR DEALERSHIPS TO UPDATE THE IMAGES. 
          CURRENTLY WE'RE SPENDING ALMOST TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS AT THE SERVICE CENTER FOR MERCEDES AND RENOVATIONS. 
          THESE REQUIREMENTS DON'T EXIST FOR USED CAR DEALERSHIPS. 
          SO OPERATORS LIKE US HONDA AND FORD, AND FRANKLY, PRIMARILY THE CITY ARE LEFT PICKING UP THE SLACK FOR ENSURING THAT EVERYTHING IS LOOKS GOOD AND THAT EVERYTHING IS SECURE. 
          UM, AND AS WAS TOUCHED ON EARLIER, NEW CAR FRANCHISES TYPICALLY GENERALLY GENERATE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE TAX REVENUE. 
          UH, IN 2020, 
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THE NEW CAR DEALERSHIPS IN THE WEST COVINA AUTO MALL GENERATED OVER 45 MILLION IN TAX REVENUE. 
          AND WE'RE ESTIMATING THROUGH 2021 JUST THROUGH JULY THAT WE'VE GENERATED CLOSE TO 60 MILLION IN TAX REVENUES. 
          NOW NEW CAR DEALERSHIPS ARE THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR THE AUTO MALL PROPERTY. 
          IF THE CITY SOLD ONE MOVIE PERMANENT MONTH, IT WOULD TAKE ABOUT 2000 YEARS TO GENERATE THE TAX REVENUES WE'VE PRODUCED SO FAR THIS YEAR. 
          UM, IN ADDITION, THE OVERLAY ZONE WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR THE RESIDENTS AND NEW CAR FRANCHISES ARE INTENSELY REGULATED WHEN IT COMES TO THE QUALITY OF THE PRODUCT, GIVEN A CONSUMERS, WE CONSISTENTLY SPEND HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS EVERY YEAR ON UPDATING EQUIPMENT TO ENSURE THE QUALITY OF THE PRODUCT AS WELL AS HIRING AND TRAINING STAFF. 
          UM, WHEN IT COMES TO USED CARS, WE HAVE SUBSTANTIALLY MORE RIGOROUS CERTIFICATION IN RECONDITIONING PROCESSES. 
          ABIDING BY FACTORY CERTIFICATION STANDARDS IS, IS A PROCESS. 
          IT IS A SERIOUS TASK AND IT'S A TASK THAT REQUIRES US TO EMPLOY SCORES OF PEOPLE TO WORK AND SPEND MONEY IN WEST COVINA BETWEEN THE NEW CAR FRANCHISES IN WEST COVINA AUTO MALL. 
          WE, WE EMPLOY CLOSE TO 500 PEOPLE, USE CAR FRANCHISES. 
          AREN'T REQUIRED TO OPERATE BY THE SAME REQUIREMENTS OR MAKE THOSE SAME GUARANTEES. 
          IF USED CAR DEALERS START SELLING UNSAFE OR SUBPAR VEHICLES OUT OF THE WEST COVINA AUTO MALL, THAT AFFECTS CONSUMERS AS WELL AS THE REPUTATION OF EVERY CAR DEALER IN THE AUTO MALL. 
          THOSE CUSTOMERS WILL TELL THEIR FRIENDS NOT TO COME BACK TO WEST COVINA TO GO TO POINT TO HELL'S INSTEAD. 
          NOW EACH OF THOSE ITEMS IS IN ADDITION TO BEING BENEFICIAL TO THE CITY AND TO, UM, TO THE RESIDENTS IS, IS BENEFICIAL TO US. 
          BUT ALSO WE, WE SPEND DISPROPORTIONATELY MORE ON ADVERTISING, MEANING THE NEW CAR DEALERS WOULD BE BRINGING IN SUBSTANTIALLY MORE FOOT TRAFFIC TO THE AUTO PLAZA, DISPROPORTIONATELY BENEFITING NEWS CAR DEALERS, UM, WITH OTHER NEW CAR DEALERS, THE DISCREPANCY DOESN'T EXIST. 
          THEY EACH HAVE A SIMILAR RANGE OF HOW MUCH TO SPEND PER VEHICLE CLOSE TO 400 TO $600 A VEHICLE. 
          UM, IN 2020, THE NEW CAR DEALERS IN WEST COVINA AUTO MALL SPENT OVER 5 MILLION IN ADVERTISING, JUST GETTING CUSTOMERS TO COME TO WEST COVINA IN 2021, WE'VE ALMOST SPENT 5 MILLION SO FAR AND THE FOOT TRAFFIC PRODUCES IS NOT CREATED EQUAL. 
          THE FOOT TRAFFIC BETWEEN AND AMONG NEW CAR DEALERSHIPS IS, IS MORE OF A TWO-WAY STREET. 
          IF SOMEONE COMES TO TOYOTA AND THEY DON'T FIND WHAT THEY LIKE, THEY'RE LIKELY TO WANDER OVER TO HONDA. 
          AND THERE'S A SIMILAR APPROACH. 
          UM, FOOT TRAFFIC BETWEEN USED AND NEW CAR DEALERSHIPS IS NOT AS MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL BECAUSE USED CAR DEALERS DO NOT HAVE TO MEET THE SAME RECONDITIONING STANDARDS OR INCURRED THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH DOING SO ENVISION MOTORS, ALONG WITH EACH OF THE NEW CAR DEALERS IN THE WEST COVINA AUTO MALL, STRONGLY SUPPORT THE OVERLAY ZONE FOR THE REASONS JUST DISCUSSED. 
          AND WE HOPE THAT YOU JOIN US IN SUPPORTING IT AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU AT THIS TIME. 
          ARE THERE ANY IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD? ANYONE IN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT WOULD LIKE TO COME AND SPEAK IN FAVOR OF PROJECT? OH, SURE. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          I MISUNDERSTOOD THE QUESTION. 
          MY NAME IS JEN BALLOU. 
          I'M THE GENERAL MANAGER FOR THE HONDA STORE. 
          AND I WANT TO SECOND EVERYTHING THAT PATRICK SAID, BUT MAYBE GET A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DEPTH AND, UH, PUT INTO PERSPECTIVE FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT IN THE AUTOMOTIVE SPHERE. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, IT PUTS NEW CAR FRANCHISE IN INTO DISADVANTAGE. 
          IF SOMEBODY COMES TO A LOT LOOKING FOR USED CAR, WE HAVE TO SPEND MY STORE. 
          I HAVEN'T REALLY, IF I WAS SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF MY STORE, I HAVE TO SPEND ANYWHERE FROM EIGHT TO $12,000 IN CERTIFYING TECHNICIANS EVERY MONTH, THEREFORE COST OF MY TECHNICIANS TO BE FACTORY CERTIFIED IS MUCH HIGHER. 
          SO THEREFORE THEY QUIT. 
          MY COST OF RECONDITIONING OF THE CAR IS GOING TO BE HIGH AND THEY HAVE TO PASS IT ONTO THE CONSUMER. 
          NOW, WITH THAT SAID, CONSUMER, DOESN'T JUST PAY MORE FOR THE CAR. 
          THEY GET IN A BETTER VEHICLE. 
          THEY GET THE LATEST AND GREATEST UPDATES FROM THE FACTORIES THAT UNFORTUNATELY IS NOT AVAILABLE TO THE USED CAR FRANCHISES. 
          WE ARE OBLIGATED TO USE THE LATEST AND GREATEST EQUIPMENT. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, MOST OF THE NEWER CARS COME WITH SOME SORT OF AUTONOMOUS DRIVING CAPABILITIES, SUCH AS AUTONOMOUS BRAKING, MAYBE, UM, ADAPTIVE CRUISE CONTROL OR IRREGULAR ALIGNMENT MACHINE, JUST TO DO A REGULAR ALIGNMENT, CANNOT FIX THAT. 
          IT HAS TO BE DONE WITH A MACHINE THAT'S COSTING ANYWHERE FROM 80 TO A 90,000 BUCKS THAT HAS TO ALIGN ALL THE SENSORS THAT ARE COMING THAT ARE COME WITH THE VEHICLE. 
          SO THEREFORE AGAIN, WE ARE REQUIRED TO SPEND THAT MONEY ON OUR CAR IS THEREFORE COST OF OUR AIR CONDITIONING NEEDS TO BECOME MUCH HIGHER DUE TO THEM DUE TO THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE HAVE, THE CAPITAL EXPENDITURES THAT WE HAVE TO SPEND ONTO IN OUR SERVICE DEPARTMENT, PAYING MORE FOR OUR TECHNICIANS BECAUSE THEY'RE REQUIRED, CONSTANTLY GET CERTIFIED. 
          SO WHEN SOMEBODY COMES IN ONTO THE LOT, LEGALLY, WE HAVE TO DO SMUG AND SAFETY. 
          BUT FOR EXAMPLE, IF A CAR IN ORDER FOR IT TO GET CERTIFIED, IF THEY ALL HAVE BRAND NEW TIRES, REAR TIRES, OR LET'S SAY FALCON TIRES AND THE FRONT TIRES OR MICHELIN TIRES 
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THAT WOULD NOT QUALIFY FOR A CERTIFIED CAR, ALL FOUR TIRES HAVE TO MATCH ANOTHER EXAMPLE. 
          IF THERE'S THREE PANELS THAT HAVE BEEN PAINTED, THE VEHICLE IS SOUND, THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE VEHICLE IS OVER THERE. 
          HOWEVER THREE PANELS ARE BEING PAINTED. 
          WE CANNOT CERTIFY THAT CAR WHERE A USED CAR LOT. 
          THERE'S THERE'S REALLY NO, NO NO LAWS AGAINST IT BECAUSE THE VEHICLE IS STILL SOUNDING TOO DRY. 
          FOR THE MOST PART, WE SPEND AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY ON ADVERTISING, DRIVING THE TRAFFIC INTO THE LOT. 
          AND FOR THE MOST PART, IF WE ALLOW IT USED CAR DEALERS GO INTO A NEW CAR, AUTO MALLS, ALL THEY DO, THEY JUST ESSENTIALLY NOT TO USE EACH AWARD, BUT THEY'RE THEIR FEET OFF OF OUR TRAFFIC. 
          AND DUE TO THEIR LOWER RECONDITIONING COST REQUIREMENTS, THEY CAN BEAT US WITH A PRICE POINT FOR THE SAME EXHIBIT THAT MIGHT SEEM, WHICH IS THE SAME EXACT CAR. 
          BUT THE REALITY IS IT'S NOT THE SAME. 
          IT LOOKS THE SAME. 
          IT FEEL THE SAME, BUT THEY'RE REALLY NOT THE SAME CARD. 
          IF THEY DON'T HAVE THE FORMAT, YOUR TIRES, YOU CAN, THEY MIGHT HAVE PANELS THAT HAVE BEEN PAINTED, MAYBE THREE OR FOUR PANELS HAVE BEEN PAYING AND THE LIST GOES ON AND ON AND ON AND ON. 
          SO IF WE, AGAIN, ALLOW TO HAVE USED CAR FRANCHISES TO GO INTO THE LIGHT, IT DOES PUT US INTO THIS ADVANTAGE. 
          ANOTHER THING THAT I MIGHT ADD IS IN THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF OR TWO YEARS DUE TO COVID, UM, RENTAL COMPANIES, FOR EXAMPLE, I BELIEVE THE ENTERPRISE IS TRYING TO GET IN. 
          THERE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO, UH, THEY WEREN'T ALLOWED TO BUY ANY CARS FROM THE FACT JUST DUE TO THE LACK OF INVENTORY. 
          THIS SITUATION WAS GOING TO GO ON FOR ANOTHER 2, 3, 4 YEARS. 
          MAYBE. 
          I MEAN, YESTERDAY, WE JUST GOT OFF THE CALL WITH AMERICAN HONDA, WITH SOUTHEAST ASIA, GOT HIT WITH COVID. 
          THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE AN INVENTORY FOR QUITE SOME TIME. 
          WHERE WOULD IT, WHERE WOULD, WHERE WOULD YOU USE CAR? LOTS WOULD GET THEIR CARS, RIGHT? THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GET THEM ON. 
          THEY GENERALLY GO OUT INTO THE OPEN MARKETPLACE TO GO BUY THEM SUCH AS AUCTIONS. 
          AND THEY BUY THEM. 
          THEY HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, THE PERSON THAT BUYS A CAR IS THE ONE THAT PAID THE MOST FOR THE VEHICLE. 
          SO THE ONLY WAY TO TURN PROFIT AND MAKE IT SUSTAINABLE IS TO CUT CORNERS ON RECONDITIONING. 
          SO AGAIN, IT PUTS US THE NEW CAR DEALERS INTO A BIG DISADVANTAGE. 
          WHEN WE END UP HAVING A USED CAR FRANCHISE ONTO A CONTOUR ONTO THE AUTOMOBILE, UH, ZONE, WHERE AGAIN, WE BRING ALL THE TRAFFIC, WE BRING, WE BRING THE BUSINESS DOWN TO THE DEALERSHIP AND THEY JUST KIND OF FEED OFF FEED OFF OF VARA EXPENSE. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU DID FILL OUT A PIN CARD. 
          DID, DID YOU NOT? DID YOU FILL OUT? NO. 
          I'M ASKING THE GENTLEMAN JUST SPOKE. 
          YOU DID. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          WHAT WAS YOUR NAME? I'M JUST TRYING TO SEE WHICH ONE WAS YOURS. 
          I DIDN'T SEE IT'S OKAY. 
          YOUR NAME? UH, GOOD EVENING. 
          MY NAME IS SIMON. 
          SARAH DEAN. 
          YOU HAVE IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THE REASON WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING, JUST I WANT TO ADDRESS THE VALUE OF OUR FRANCHISE. 
          I BELIEVE, UH, PATRICK TOUCH ON, ON, ON THE REVENUE AND EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT WHAT WE'D LIKE TO ADDRESS AS THE VALUE OF OUR FRANCHISE, FOR AN EXAMPLE, A MERCEDES STORE, THERE'S 373 MERCEDES STORE IN THE COUNTRY. 
          UH, THEY GENERATE AN ACCESS OF $250 MILLION REVENUE A YEAR. 
          AND THE VALUE OF THIS STORE, IT WILL BE GREATER BY BECAUSE IT ISN'T A NEW CAR AUTO MALL. 
          SO NOW OUR INTENTION IN BEGINNING, AS YOU GUYS ADDRESS IT IN YOUR NEW SLIDE, THAT THIS MALL WAS ORIGINALLY ORIGINATED FOR A NEW FRANCHISE. 
          AND THAT'S THE INTENTION WHEN WE BOUGHT THE STORE WAS A NEW CAR FRANCHISE. 
          AND AT ONE TIME THEY HAD DRIVE TIME AND I BELIEVE DRIVE TIME AND THEY HAVE TEMPORARY PERMIT FOR THEM. 
          AND THEN DRIVE TIME, AS YOU SEE, THEY WENT OUT OF BUSINESS AND THEY'RE GONE AND NOW SOME OTHER USED CAR LOT. 
          IT WOULD BE THERE. 
          MY BIG CONCERN WITH THAT, THERE'S TWO EMPTY LOT THERE. 
          SO TODAY WE HAVE A USED GUN LAW TOMORROW. 
          WE'LL HAVE SOME OTHER USE CAR LOT. 
          AND BEFORE WE KNOW IT, WE ARE USING A LOT. 
          I MEAN, WE SPEND A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS JUST TO BUY A FRANCHISE OF MERCEDES. 
          YOU SPENT $40 MILLION TO BUY A HONDA FRANCHISE TO BUY TWO AT A FRANCHISE, BUT YOU SPENT $25 MILLION TO BUY AN AUDI FRANCHISE. 
          SO WE HAVE A LOT OF INVESTMENT IN THE CITY. 
          WE GENERATE REVENUE FOR THE CITY. 
          WE, WE CREATE A LOT OF EMPLOYMENT FOR THE CITY. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S 600 EMPLOYEE WORKING FOR US. 
          LET'S CALL IT 50%. 
          THEY LIVE HERE IN WEST COVINA. 
          AND I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT MORE, AT LEAST MORE THAN 50% LIVE HERE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THESE PEOPLE LIVE HERE, THEY WORK HERE. 
          WE SUPPORT THEM. 
          WE TAKE CARE OF THEM. 
          I MEAN, WE'RE REALLY A GOOD NEIGHBOR HERE TO BE HERE. 
          YOU CAN ASK IT NOW, OUR CITY, WHERE AND MULTIPLE CITY WE'LL HAVE. 
          WE HAVE A STORE IN ESCONDIDO. 
          WE HAVE A STORE IN CITY OF  AND THE CITY OF SERITOS. 
          IT DOESN'T HAVE A USE A LOT. 
          IT'S, THERE'S AN AUTO MALL. 
          I MEAN, WE HAVE A NEW CAR MALL. 
          IT HAS IN NUCALA. 
          IT DOESN'T HAVE A USED CAR, LOT A THEY DON'T ALLOW THAT. 
          SO I APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANKS FOR TAKING THE TIME. 
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UH, BASICALLY THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO COVER. 
          I MEAN, UH, AS ST TENSION. 
          AND ONE OTHER THING, IF I MAY ADD, YOU KNOW, THE MOVIE THING, IT IS A PROBLEM. 
          I MEAN, WHEN YOU HAVE 40 TRUCK BARK, THEY'RE CREATING A MOVIE. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S UNIVERSAL STITCHES DOWN THE STREET. 
          I MEAN, THEY CAN DO IT IN UNIVERSITIES. 
          THEY DO, THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO IT IN WEST COVINA. 
          I MEAN, THEY PAY A PERMIT OF $2,600 TO DO A MOVIE THEATER. 
          UH, I'M SORRY, MOVIE FILMING. 
          SO IT'S 2,600 SWIMMING. 
          THEY DO, I DON'T KNOW, FOUR OR FIVE YEARS, DICK SIX, WHATEVER IT IS, IT'S A $15,000. 
          I MEAN, IT IS RIDICULOUS. 
          IT INTERRUPT THE WHOLE STREET, THE WHOLE BUSINESS. 
          WE HAVE BUNCH OF TRUCKS, A BUNCH OF PEOPLE COME THERE AND WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THESE DAYS, I'M PRETTY SURE YOU GUYS ARE AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          ANOTHER ISSUE IS THE SAFETY, YOU KNOW, BY THESE LOT, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T KEEP THE LIGHTS ON. 
          IT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD IN THE CITY. 
          IT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD FOR US, WHICH AS, AS I SAW ON THE SLIDE, THE LIGHT HAS TO STAY AT THE LINE OF CLOCK. 
          THAT'S DOESN'T TAKE PLACE THERE. 
          SO IT'S, UH, IT'S CREATE A LOT OF STAFF, A LOT, A LOT OF ISSUES AND A LOT OF PROBLEMS, THIS, THIS AREA. 
          I MEAN, I APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO LISTEN TO IT. 
          THANK YOU, JIM. 
          NEXT. 
          UH, WE ASKED PATRICK . 
          OH, YOU ALREADY SPOKE. 
          UH, WE HAVE ONE MORE, BUT IT DIDN'T, THEY DIDN'T, UH, RIGHT. 
          IF THEY WERE FOR OR AGAINST, IS THERE A JOE VELAZCO ARE YOU FOR OR AGAINST? YOU'RE AGAINST. 
          OKAY, WELL, WE'LL START WITH YOU. 
          WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP? OH, I'M JOE, BY THE WAY, LET'S SPEAK TO THE, UM, OH, SPEAK OF THE MIC. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M JOEL. 
          VELAZCO, I'M A RESIDENT 15 YEARS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE SCOPE OF IT, BUT I DEFINITELY WANT SOMEBODY TO TAKE UP THAT, THAT, THAT DEALERSHIP. 
          UM, MY, MY, MY MOM, I WAS AT HER HOUSE LAST WEEK AND SHE'S ON BALDWIN PARK RESIDENT. 
          SHE GOES TO THESE MEETINGS AND STUFF AND SHE STARTED BRINGING UP HOW, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS, THIS WAS THE ISSUE IN BALDWIN PARK A FEW YEARS AGO, YOU KNOW, FACES BEING EMPTY FOR AWHILE. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, UH, THE OLD SHAKEY'S, UM, YOU KNOW, AN OLD SUPERMARKET AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S INTENDED TO BRING HOMELESS AROUND THE AREA. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE STARTED TALKING, SHE SAID, YOU KNOW, THIS, SHE BROUGHT THIS UP ABOUT WEST COVINA, I GUESS SHE MUST PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT'S GOING ON BALDWIN PARK. 
          BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, HER ISSUE WITH WHICH WAS, YOU KNOW, IT TURNED OUT TO BE, MY ISSUE WAS, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T, I DON'T LIKE SEEING THAT, THAT EMPTY LOT THERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          I MEAN, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE OLD DRIVE TIME, WHICH WAS A USED CAR BEFORE, RIGHT. 
          I DIDN'T, I NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH IT. 
          UM, MATTER OF FACT, THAT MIGHT'VE BEEN IN THERE TWICE AND BY HER CAR OR NOTHING, BUT I KNOW WE WENT IN THERE TWICE. 
          UM, I, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT BEING USED CAR, AS LONG AS IT'S NOT JOSE'S NEW USED CAR OR, OR TOMMY'S USED CARS, SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME LOW END PLACE, BUT, YOU KNOW, SHE TOLD ME IT WAS IN THE, BE SOMETHING LIKE A DRIVE TIME THAT SOUNDED LIKE IT WAS GONNA BE AN ENTERPRISE, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN I'M TALKING ABOUT, UH, A MASSAGE PARTY HERE OR SOMEPLACE SELLING WEED ON THE SIDE OF THE STREET OR SOMETHING. 
          RIGHT. 
          UH, AND THE REASON I BRING THAT UP, CAUSE I'M ACTUALLY RENTING A, UH, I'M LEASING AN OFFICE RIGHT NOW. 
          AND THAT WAS THE FIRST QUESTION THEY ASKED, IS IT THAT A MASSAGE PARTNER OR IS IT A, OR IS IT A CANNABIS STORE? I SAID NONE OF THE ABOVE. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO OTHER THAN THAT, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, CHANGING OVER TO AN ENTERPRISE, ACTUALLY. 
          I THINK THAT'D BE PRETTY COOL. 
          I'M NOT SURE WHAT'S BEHIND THE WHOLE THING, BUT AS FAR AS THE USED CARS, I KNOW THERE'S A SHORTAGE ON USED CARS, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I DEFINITELY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. 
          I THINK, UH, I THINK IT'D BE GOOD FOR THE CITY. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE LIVED HERE FOR QUITE A BIT AND UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOSING TAX REVENUE. 
          IT HADN'T BEEN A DRIVE TIME IN THE HOW LONG GUYS, COUPLE YEARS, AT LEAST. 
          RIGHT. 
          KNOWS. 
          BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT GENERATING ANY MONEY. 
          THEY'RE JUST SITTING THERE WITH NOTHING. 
          WHY DON'T YOU GUYS RENTING IT? WHY DON'T YOU GUYS RENT THAT LOT THEN? OKAY, WELL, THAT'S FINE. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I GOT. 
          THAT'S THAT'S I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT. 
          I MEAN, WE'RE GIVING MONEY AWAY, RIGHT? THERE'S NOBODY THERE RIGHT NOW. 
          WHY NOT RENT IT TO, TO A NICE REPUTABLE CAR COMPANY? YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT, BUT ONE PERSON AT A TIME PLEASE. 
          OH, ANYWAYS, THAT'S ALL I GOT GUYS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, JEFF TUCK. 
          WELL, THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME TONIGHT. 
          UH, BEFORE THIS GROUP A LOT, UH, MY NAME IS JEFF TUCK. 
          I'M HERE TONIGHT TO REPRESENT THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTIES IN THE WEST COVINA AUTO PLAZA, KNOWN AS THE FORD DEALERSHIP, THE VACANT X CLIPPINGER CHEVROLET PROPERTY, THE VACANT X DRIVE TIME DEALER AND THE PROPERTY ON AZUSA AVENUE THAT WE'VE CURRENTLY LEASE TO CHRYSLER. 
          THE ITEM BEFORE YOU TONIGHT 
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IS SOLELY AIMED AT THE OWNER OF THESE PROPERTIES TO RESTRICT AND LIMIT HOW HIS PROPERTIES MAY BE USED. 
          THIS ACTION IS BEING CONTEMPLATED IS COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY. 
          THE CITY ALREADY HAS AMPLE OVERSIGHT AND PROTECTION ON THESE ISSUES. 
          AND THE CASE OF PRE-OWNED VEHICLES, A DEALER OCCUPYING A SPACE AND THE AUTO PLAZA, THE CITY ALREADY REQUIRES A CUP TO APPROVE SUCH AN OCCUPANCY. 
          THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DETERMINE IF SUCH A DEALERSHIP WOULD BE APPROPRIATE IN THE AUTO PLAZA, AND THEY CAN APPROVE A FIRST-CLASS NATIONAL OPERATION LIKE OUR PROPOSED LEASED ENTERPRISE CAR SALES AND RENTAL WHILE EXCLUDING UNDESIRABLE OPERATORS. 
          IN REGARDS TO THE FILMING OF COMMERCIALS, THE CITY CODE CONTROLS THE APPROVAL PROCESS COMPLETELY. 
          THE NUMBER OF DAYS WHEN FILMING IS ALLOWED, THE NUMBER OF TIMES FILMING MAY OCCUR EACH YEAR. 
          AND THE NUMBER OF DAYS BETWEEN FILMING IS LIMITED. 
          THE CODE GOVERNING FILMING WAS MADE EVEN MORE STRINGENT. 
          LAST YEAR, THERE IS SUFFICIENT OVERSIGHT TO PREVENT ABUSE. 
          WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS AN INTERNAL DISAGREEMENT AMONGST THE OWNERS OF THE SEVEN AUTO PLAZA PROPERTIES, A SQUABBLE BETWEEN COMPETING PROPERTY OWNERS, WHERE ONE IS TRYING TO RESTRICT THE USE OF ANOTHER. 
          PLEASE DO NOT TAKE SIDES AND PASS THIS PROPOSAL. 
          AS ONE SIDE IS REQUESTING THERE HAVE BEEN RAISED, UH, QUESTIONS REGARDING WHETHER PROPER NOTICE WAS GIVEN TO ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE AUTO PLAZA ASSOCIATION ABOUT THIS ISSUE. 
          OUR NOTICE WAS SENT TO AN ADDRESS WHERE WE HAVE NOT OCCUPIED IN FIVE YEARS. 
          HENCE WE DID NOT ATTEND THE MEETING WHERE ALL OF THIS WAS DISCUSSED. 
          WE DID NOT RECEIVE REQUIRED NOTICE AND WERE NOT IN ATTENDANCE AT THIS ASSOCIATION MEETING. 
          ALSO THE AGENDA ITEMS LISTED ON THE NOTICE DO NOT ACCURATELY DEFINE THE ACTIONS DISCUSSED THE FIRST BUDGET MEETING. 
          THE FIRST MEETING WAS SUPPOSED TO DISCUSS READER, BOARD SIGN AND BUDGET FOR THE YEAR. 
          THE SUBJECT OF THE SECOND MEETING WAS TO DISCUSS AN OVERLAY ZONE FOR AESTHETICS AND SECURITY WITHIN THE DISTRICT. 
          I DON'T SEE RESTRICTING YOUR PROPERTY RIGHTS FALLS INTO EITHER OF THOSE TWO CATEGORIES. 
          NOTHING MENTIONED, UH, THE RESTRICTIONS OF PRE-OWNED VEHICLES OR LIMITING HOW A PROPERTY OWNER MIGHT USE HIS PROPERTY UNDER EXISTING RULES AND REGULATIONS. 
          WE HAVE A TENANT FOR THE SPACE AT 1900 EAST GARVEY AVENUE SOUTH. 
          THE TENANT IS ENTERPRISE CAR SALES AND RENTALS. 
          UH, THE APPLICANT WAS WRONG IN SAYING THAT DRIVETIME WENT OUT OF BUSINESS, THEIR LEASE EXPIRED, THEIR FIVE-YEAR LEASE EXPIRED AND THEY LEFT IN JANUARY. 
          THEY LEFT JANUARY 1ST, 2020. 
          UM, ENTERPRISE IS A BILLION DOLLAR NATIONAL COMPANY, AND THEY EXPECT TO SELL A HUNDRED CARS PER MONTH AT THIS LOCATION GENERATING SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF SALES AND TAX REVENUE TO THE CITY. 
          THE PROPERTY WORKS PERFECTLY FOR THEIR OPERATION. 
          IT IS THE ONLY PROPERTY IN THE AREA THAT THEY ARE INTERESTED IN. 
          THEY HAVE ALREADY SUBMITTED THEIR CUP APPLICATION TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. 
          ENTERPRISE IS HERE TONIGHT TO EXPRESS THEIR SUPPORT AND INTEREST IN BEING LOCATED IN THE WEST COVINA AUTO PLAZA. 
          YOU ASKED THAT YOU DO NOT PASS WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, AND EITHER CONTINUE TO VOTE NO, OR CONTINUE THIS MATTER TO ALLOW THE DISPUTE AMONGST THE AUTOPANO ASSOCIATION MEMBERS TO BE RESOLVED BY A PROPERLY NOTICED, FULLY ATTENDED WITH THE VOTE TAKEN BY ALL OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS. 
          NOT JUST A FEW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I JUST HAD ONE QUESTION. 
          WHO DO YOU REPRESENT THE OWNERS OF THE, UH, X CHEVROLET FACILITY, THE X DRIVE TIME FACILITY, THE, UH, FORD DEALERSHIP PROPERTY ON THE CHRYSLER DEALERSHIP ON AZUSA AVENUE ACROSS THE FRUIT THAT DOES THAT HAVE A NAME OR COMPANY NAME? WELL, THE COMPANY IS REFERRED TO AS, UH, WHAT IS, UH, ZEUS, ROLAND, LLC. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          OH YEAH. 
          THAT'S WHY I WAS JUST CLARIFYING IT. 
          WELL, WE OWN THE PROPERTY. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST CLARIFYING. 
          WHO'S THE OWNER, BUT YEAH, NEXT GEN. 
          ALTHOUGH THE ONE I LOVE YOU SMOKE. 
          OKAY. 
          THOMAS CLEANER ENGLISH. 
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GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. 
          THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME HAVE A FEW MINUTES TO SPEAK WITH YOU TONIGHT. 
          I AM THOMAS KLINGLER. 
          I WORK FOR ENTERPRISE, UH, RENT-A-CAR UM, ENTERPRISE HOLDINGS. 
          WE OPERATE ALL THE BRANDS. 
          UM, I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS PACKET WITH YOU AND JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF WHO WE ARE AS A COMPANY, UM, I'M, I'M GOING TO ASSUME YOU'RE PROBABLY ALL FAMILIAR WITH ENTERPRISE IS FAIR ENTERPRISE RENT-A-CAR ENTERPRISE CAR SALES. 
          YOU'VE SEEN OUR COMMERCIALS. 
          YOU ALSO SEE THAT WE INVEST HEAVILY IN MARKETING AND ADVERTISING AS WELL. 
          UM, WE'RE VERY MUCH A FABRIC OF THE COMMUNITIES THAT WE BELONG TO. 
          WE'RE A $25 BILLION COMPANY. 
          UM, THAT'S PRIVATELY HELD BASED OUT OF ST. 
          LOUIS. 
          UM, AND IF YOU FLIP TO THE FIRST PAGE, YOU'LL SEE THAT. 
          I THINK WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IS THE IMPROVED BRANDING, UM, A PREMIER LOCATION FOR THE CITY FOR PURCHASING VEHICLES AND, UH, SALES TAX REVENUE GENERATED OFF THAT, THAT OUR INITIATIVES AND WHAT WE BRING TO THE TABLE ALIGN VERY WELL WITH, UM, THOSE OBJECTIVES. 
          I THINK YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING FOR, JUST TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT US. 
          I ALREADY MENTIONED WE'RE $25 BILLION COMPANY, ALMOST $26 BILLION COMPANY. 
          UM, WE OPERATE, UH, 10,000 FULLY STAFFED, UM, LOCATIONS AND NEIGHBORHOODS AND AIRPORT LOCATIONS. 
          WE HAVE MORE THAN 2 MILLION VEHICLES AND WE HAVE OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND EMPLOYEES. 
          WE'RE THE ONLY INVESTMENT GRADE RENTAL CAR COMPANY OUT THERE. 
          SO VERY FINANCIALLY STABLE, EVEN AFTER THIS PANDEMIC HERE, WHICH WAS WITHOUT A DOUBT, VERY CHALLENGING AND TOUGH, BUT, UM, WE MANAGED TO, TO WEATHER THROUGH IT QUITE WELL. 
          UM, ON THE NEXT PAGE ON PAGE THREE, YOU'LL SEE OUR BRANDS THAT WE REPRESENT. 
          WE ALSO REPRESENT ALAMO AND NATIONAL. 
          YOU'LL SEE THOSE BRANDS AT THE AIRPORT QUITE A BIT. 
          AND AN ENTERPRISE, OF COURSE, IN ENTERPRISE CAR SALES, TRUCK COMMUTE. 
          ALSO, YOU MIGHT BE FAMILIAR WITH AS WELL, WHO ARE WE AS A COMPANY, AS I SAID, WE'RE A PRIVATELY HELD COMPANY, BIG COMPANY, BUT WE DIDN'T START OUT THAT WAY. 
          WE'RE VERY MUCH A SMALL COMPANY THAT GOT REALLY BIG. 
          UM, JACK TAYLOR IS THE FOUNDER OF THE COMPANY. 
          WE ARE THIRD GENERATION OF TAYLOR FAMILY. 
          UH, RIGHT NOW OUR CURRENT CEO IS CHRISSY TAYLOR, WHO WAS JACK'S GRANDDAUGHTER IN BETWEEN. 
          THERE WAS HIS SON, ANDY, WHO IS THE CEO AND PAM NICHOLSON. 
          AND BETWEEN CHRISSY OR EXCUSE ME, ANDY AND CHRISSY, UM, UH, JACK FLEW FIGHTER JETS OFF THE USS ENTERPRISE AND THAT'S WHERE ENTERPRISE CAME WITH ITS NAME. 
          SO HE CAME BACK FROM THE WAR AND WANTED TO START A BUSINESS. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT HE DID. 
          HE STARTED AT THE BACK OF A DEALERSHIP, UM, RUNNING ABOUT 11 CARS AND WE ARE WHAT WE ARE TODAY. 
          AND WHAT WE REALLY ARE TODAY IS A COMPANY OF PEOPLE I'VE BEEN WITH THE COMPANY 27. 
          THIS IS MY 28TH YEAR WITH THE COMPANY I'VE LIVED ALL OVER, INCLUDING NORTHERN CALIFORNIA AND IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. 
          NOW ALL OVER I'M FROM ILLINOIS, STARTED IN ST. 
          LOUIS WITH THE COMPANY. 
          AND THAT'S VERY, VERY NORMAL IN OUR COMPANY TO HAVE THAT MUCH TENURE AND THAT TYPE OF PEOPLE THAT WORK FOR WORK FOR US. 
          I FEEL LIKE WE'VE STEPPED IN IT BETWEEN THESE GUYS A LITTLE BIT, UM, AND HAD THE PANDEMIC NOT HAD HIT. 
          WE WOULD PROBABLY ALREADY BE OPERATING ON THAT, UH, THAT PARCEL BECAUSE WE HAD ORIGINALLY BEEN WORKING ON THIS BACK IN 2020, RIGHT, AS THE PANDEMIC HAD HIT. 
          AND OBVIOUSLY THAT WAS A TOUGH TIME TO BE INVESTING IN NEW PROPERTIES. 
          WE PUT THINGS LIKE THAT ON PAUSE, UM, AND WE'RE READY TO PLOW FORWARD AND WE WANT TO BE A FABRIC OF THE WEST COVINA, UH, CITY. 
          UM, I THINK WE BRING A LOT TO THE TABLE IN CALIFORNIA. 
          WE HAVE OVER 6,000 EMPLOYEES. 
          THAT'S ON PAGE FIVE AND I'M NOT GOING TO READ ALL THIS IN ESSENCE OF TIME BECAUSE I'M GONNA RUN OUT. 
          AND, UM, I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS ARE GETTING WITH IT. 
          IT'S NOT A BOB USED CAR SALES. 
          I THINK THAT MIGHT'VE BEEN WHAT YOU SAID. 
          UM, WE'RE PROFESSIONAL COMPANY. 
          UH, YOU CAN YOU IMAGINE A $25 BILLION COMPANY SELLING CARS THAT AREN'T PROPERLY VETTED AND, AND SAFETY PROTECTED AND, AND DOING IT. 
          WE HAVE 109 POINT INSPECTION THAT WE GO THROUGH. 
          WE HAVE ALL THE SAME EQUIPMENT THAT WE UTILIZE ON OUR USED CAR, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE SELLING A GOOD PRODUCT. 
          OUR CARS GENERALLY SPEAKING, ARE IN THE TEENS OF MILES, THOUSANDS OF MILES TO THE MID TWENTIES. 
          THAT'S OUR KIND OF OUR NICHE AND THE REALITY OF THAT PROPERTY. 
          IS IT GOING TO BE A USED CAR ON THAT PARCEL WHERE TIME IS, AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO GO. 
          IT'S MOST LIKELY GOING TO HAVE TO BE A NEW, UH, EXCUSE ME, A USED CAR, BECAUSE THERE IS NO NEW CAR DEALERSHIP THAT'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO FIT ON THAT PARCEL. 
          UM, IT'S DEFINITELY GOING TO BE THERE SELLING USED CARS OFF THAT PARCEL, WHETHER IT'S A NEW DEALER WHO DOES THAT OR AN ENTERPRISE, A PRIVATE COMPANY LIKE US, UH, THAT HAS A GOOD BRAND AND, AND COULD BRING A LOT TO YOUR CITY. 
          I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THE CORPORATE RESPONSIBILITY IN ESSENCE OF TIME, BUT YOU CAN SEE ALL THE INITIATIVES WE HAVE THERE AND THE 
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INVESTMENTS THAT WE'RE MAKING INTO THE COMMUNITY ON PAGE SEVEN, YOU'LL SEE THE DRY, THE OLD DRIVETIME. 
          I HATE SAYING THAT, BUT WANT IT TO BE THE ENTERPRISE CAR SALES AND YOU'LL SEE WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE WHEN WE MOVE IN. 
          AND THEN ON PAGE EIGHT, YOU'LL SEE THE INTERIOR OF THE SPACE AS WELL. 
          AND THEN I GAVE YOU A FEW EXAMPLES ON PAGE NINE AND TEN TWO OF THESE I'VE BEEN PERSONALLY INVOLVED WITH THE ONE IN SANTA CLARA AND THE ONE ON, ON PAGE 10 CONQUERED LOCATION. 
          I HELPED BUILD BOTH OF THOSE LOCATIONS AND THEIR STATE-OF-THE-ART DEALERSHIPS, UH, SELLING USED CARS. 
          SO, UM, LIKE I SAID, THE IRONY OF THIS, WE WOULD HAVE PROBABLY ALREADY BEEN ON THIS FOOTPRINT. 
          HAD WE MOVED AHEAD DURING THE PANDEMIC. 
          UM, AND THE BOTTOM LINE, IT'S GOING TO BE A USED CAR DEALERSHIP. 
          THAT'S OPERATES OFF THAT. 
          AND A LOT OF TIMES DEALERSHIPS SUPPLEMENT THEIR INVENTORY WITH OUR CARS. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          GREATLY APPRECIATE IT. 
          I KNOW YOU'RE VERY BUSY, SO I'LL LET YOU GO. 
          OKAY. 
          ANYONE ELSE WHO WAS LIKE TO SPEAK AGAINST ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AGAINST THE PROJECT AGAINST WHEN ONE MOMENT? NO ONE ELSE. 
          OKAY. 
          WILL THE APPLICANT COME BACK UP TO IF YOU'D LIKE TO REBUTTAL? YES. 
          JUST WANT TO ADDRESS ONE THING. 
          UH, THE GENTLEMEN SAID, HE'S TALKING ABOUT FOUR PROPERTIES. 
          WELL, REALLY THEY ONLY HAVE TWO PROPERTIES. 
          THEY MIGHT HAVE OWNED FOUR PROPERTY AS A LANDLORD, BUT THE PROPERTY IS REPRESENTED BY NEW CAR FRANCHISE. 
          WE OWNED THE CHRYSLER JEEP STORE, WHICH THEY HAVE A LEASE WITH. 
          AND THE FORD STORE IT'S OWNED BY AN OWNER. 
          HE'S NOT HERE TONIGHT. 
          HE, YOU BASICALLY PARTICIPATE ON YOU GIVE THE INFORMATION TO PATRICK AND HE'S NOT HERE TONIGHT, SO HE'S NOT TREATED. 
          HE DOESN'T, THEY DON'T HAVE A FOR STORES. 
          LIKE HE, HE PRESENTED AS ONLY TWO STORES, TWO EMPTY LAND. 
          THEY HAVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NO, NO ANYONE ELSE OR THE APPLICANT FINISHED? NEVERMIND. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UH, MAYBE I THINK A $26 BILLION COMPANY OR $6 BILLION COMPANY, IT'S STILL A A HUNDRED CAR OPERATION A MONTH. 
          SO EACH LOCATION IS GOING TO BE MANAGED BY WHAT THE VOLUME OF THAT LOCATION. 
          IF THEY'RE PLANNING ON SELLING A HUNDRED CARS, IT'S ALL THAT OTHER MONEY IS NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO FALL INTO THIS LOT. 
          EVERYTHING THAT I SAID PRIOR, IT STILL PUTS US IN A DISADVANTAGE WHEN IT COMES TO ME PRESENTING MY CERTIFIED 2019 ACCORD VERSUS ANOTHER 2019 ACCORD. 
          ANOTHER THING THAT GENTLEMEN WAS SAYING THAT A LOT OF TIMES DEALERS SUPPLEMENT THEIR, THEIR USED CAR INVENTORY IS THREE ENTERPRISE, CORRECT. 
          BUT AT SOME POINT IN TIME, NEW CAR DEALERS ACTUALLY SUPPLEMENT AN ENTERPRISE WITH THEIR INVENTORY, AND THEN WE JUST GET THEM BACK. 
          SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS MENTIONED. 
          THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, IF I MAY, UM, MAKE SOME CLARIFICATIONS REGARDING SOME OF THE STATEMENTS THAT WERE STATED DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, TO, UM, TO CLARIFY, UM, ON MR. TUCK'S STATEMENT, THAT HE WAS NOT PROPERLY NOTIFIED, THE NOTIFICATION THAT HE WAS REFERRING TO WAS THE AUTO PLAZA BID BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT MEETING. 
          AND ALSO, UM, AND ALSO JUST TO CLARIFY, THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THE ENTERPRISE DEALERS, THE PROPOSED ENTERPRISE DEALERSHIP IS NOT, IS NOT AGENDIZED AND IT IS NOT IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT THIS TIME THAT THE GENTLEMAN THAT SPOKE REPRESENTING ENTERPRISE JUST PROVIDES NEARLY PROVIDED AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT CAN, UM, CAN, UM, ACCOMMODATE THAT PARTICULAR DEALERSHIP THAT HE'S REFERRING TO. 
          AND THAT, THAT SUBJECT MATTER IS NOT, UM, WITHIN THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S SCOPE, UM, OR DECISION-MAKING AT THIS, AT THIS TIME, I'VE THEY, UH, REQUESTED OR SUBMITTED A REQUEST FOR PERMIT. 
          THEY SUBMITTED A CONDITION ENTERPRISE, SUBMITTED A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION. 
          THAT'S STILL CURRENTLY BEING REVIEWED BY STAFF AND IT'S NOT SCHEDULED TO BE REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT THIS TIME. 
          YEAH. 
          SO AT THIS TIME WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE'LL OPEN FOR COMMISSION DISCUSSION FOR STAFF. 
          JOANNE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN ANSWER THIS, BUT NO, THERE'S NO CHANGES TO, UM, TO ANYTHING WITH REGARDS TO THE ADVERTISING ON THE DIGITAL READER BOARD. 
          IS THERE NO, 
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SURE. 
          UM, QUESTION FOR AS IT, I WAS GOING TO SAY, AS IT PERTAINS TO THE, UH, THE NEW VEHICLE FRANCHISE DEALERSHIP DEF IN PROPOSED SECTION 26 DASH 7 37, UM, WHY DO WE HAVE THE LIMITATION THAT, UH, THE DEALERSHIP BE SELLING NEW VEHICLES THAT HAVE OBTAINED PERMISSION AND AUTHORITY TO SELL VEHICLES AS A DIRECT AGENT OF A MAJOR AUTOMAKER? UM, I JUST, UH, OBVIOUSLY THAT IS SORT OF THE, THE STANDARD WAY OF DOING BUSINESS. 
          I, I, I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, UH, IS NECESSARY TO BE CODIFIED FOR ALL TIME? UM, YOU KNOW, FOR PERHAPS, UH, PERHAPS A NEW AUTO DEALER COMES UP THAT HAS DIRECT SALES? UH, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT THAT'S, UH, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY VERY TABOO IN THE, UH, THE AUTO INDUSTRY, BUT, UM, I'M, I'M CONCERNED THAT THAT WOULD PROHIBIT THE POTENTIAL, UM, INSTALLATION OF A, A NEW DEALERSHIP THERE THAT HAD DIRECT, UH, REC TO CONSUMER SALES, UM, BY THE MANUFACTURER. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE POTENTIALLY CHANGED. 
          UM, I, I DID WANT TO, UM, I'LL ACTUALLY, CAN, CAN YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION ON THAT? IF, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WAS CONTEMPLATED AT ALL, THE NEW FRANCHISE LANGUAGE WAS IN, WAS INCLUDED IN THE REQUEST LETTER THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY, BY AUTO, UM, AUTO PLAZA BID AND STAFF DID ADD A PROVISION REGARDING NEW CARS DIRECTLY, DIRECTLY BY THE MANUFACTURER WITHIN THAT LANGUAGE. 
          RIGHT. 
          WHAT, WHAT IS THE, I GUESS, WHAT WOULD BE THE DEFINITION OF MAJOR AUTOMAKER? IT WOULD BE, UH, MERCEDES, UM, DODGE, I MEAN, IS THERE LIKE A CERTAIN THRESHOLD OF SALES OR WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS THAT? WE DON'T HAVE A DEFINITION FOR THAT IN THE ORDINANCE. 
          UM, IF, IF IT WOULD BE UP TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR THE CITY COUNCIL, IF THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO ADD, OR THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO ADD, UM, STANDARDS TO DEFINE THAT, OR, OR REMOVE THAT, THAT LANGUAGE ALTOGETHER, THE APPLICANT HAD MENTIONED THAT NOT THE MAJORITY, OUR NEW NEW CAR SALES, CORRECT. 
          AND THAT THIS WOULD TAKE FROM YOUR BUSINESS BECAUSE THEY WOULD OPT FOR A USED CAR RATHER THAN A NEW, SO THAT'S WHAT YOUR CONCERN IS. 
          CORRECT. 
          2019 MADAM CHAIR, WOULD YOU LIKE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING SO THAT THE APPLICANT CAN ADDRESS? YES. 
          WE'LL OPEN PUBLIC HEARING. 
          OKAY. 
          MY CONCERN IS THAT AT 2019 ACCORD, THAT'S HONDA CERTIFIED THAT'S BACKED BY THE FACTORY CERTIFIED TECHNICIANS BY, BY THE FACTORY CERTIFIED WARRANTY IS NOT THE SAME AS A 2019 ACCORD SOLD BY ENTERPRISE BY DRIVETIME, BY CARVANA, BY ANY OTHER MANAGER, BY ANY OTHER USED CAR LOT DOES THE AMOUNT OF RECONDITIONING THAT IT REQUIRES. 
          IT'S NOT THE SAME COST OF US DOING BUSINESS WITH OUR TECHNICIANS IS HIGHER. 
          SO THE PRICE POINT, IF YOU HAD TWO, SIX, THE SAME HONDA ACCORDS, ONE IS THOUSAND DOLLARS CHEAPER THAN THE OTHER ONE ON THIS, ON THE SURFACE, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE THE SAME, BUT THE REALITY IS THEY'RE NOT ONE OF THEM HAS HALF OF THE CAR THAT WAS PAINTED. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS NOT ONE OF THEM HAS FOUR MATCHING TIRES. 
          THE OTHER ONE DOESN'T. 
          SO THERE'S MY CONCERN IS THAT AGAIN, WOULDN'T A USED CAR, UH, OPERATOR INTO A NEW CAR WITH, UH, AUTO MALL PUTS US IN A, IN A DISADVANTAGE PRICE. 
          PRICE-WISE WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO USE CAR SALES, MY STORE DOES ABOUT A YEAR AWAY FROM 150 OR 200 USED CARS A MONTH. 
          WE'RE DOING DOUBLE THE VOLUME THAN, THAN, THAN WHAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING. 
          SO USED CAR BUSINESS IS A BIG PORTION OF OUR BUSINESS. 
          SO YES. 
          CAN YOU PLEASE TELL ME WHAT STORE THAT IS? NORMALLY SONDA WAS COVINA? SO, I MEAN, IT'S A BIG PORTION OF OUR BUSINESS. 
          SO IF I HAVE SOMEBODY NEXT DOOR, THAT AGAIN IS, IS NOT BRINGING THEIR CAR UP TO THE SAME STANDARDS AS A CERTIFIED FACTORIES, 
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UH, CERTIFIED VEHICLE IS IT PUTS US IN A DISADVANTAGE. 
          OUR, AGAIN, OUR COST IS HIGHER TO OPERATE BECAUSE MY TECHNICIANS ARE CERTIFIED. 
          I HAVE TO SPEND ANYWHERE FROM EIGHT TO $12,000 ON MY CERTIFIED TECHNICIAN FOR CONSTANTLY TO THEM TO GO TO HONDA SCHOOL. 
          THEY HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY STUDY ON ALL THE MODULE ON THE OLDER, ALL THE CURRENT RECALLS EQUIPMENT THAT WE HAVE TO BUY FROM THE FACTORY. 
          NO USE CAR LOT IS, HAS THE SAME REQUIREMENTS. 
          AGAIN, IT PUTS US IN A DISADVANTAGE, BUT YOU SAY WITH ALL THE ADVERTISING THAT THEY ARE DOING, THAT SOME OF THAT MIGHT ALSO GO TO YOU. 
          WELL, THE WAY YOU SCORE BUSINESS OPERATES IS IF THEY'RE GOING TO DO A HUNDRED CARS A MONTH, WHAT DO YOU THINK THE ADVERTISE BUDGET WILL BE MAYBE $300 A CAR IF WE LUCKY, BUT THE USED CAR LOT FOR THE MOST PART DOES MEAN ANYWHERE FROM A HUNDRED, MAYBE $150 A CAR. 
          SO THE REALITY IS, IS THAT IT'S NOT THAT THE AUTO PLAZA IS GOING TO SELL MORE USED CARS. 
          THE REALITY IS IS THAT THE CAR IS THERE. 
          WE DON'T SELL END UP BEING SOLD BY THE INNER BY ENTERPRISE IN OUR CASE. 
          SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE PICKING UP MORE BUSINESS. 
          WE JUST LICENSED THE PLATE WITH ONE EXTRA SLICE. 
          WE'RE NOT GENERATING ANY MORE REVENUE FOR THE CITY. 
          THEY'RE THERE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A 6 BILLION OR $10 BILLION COMPANY, EACH STORE HAS TO BE OPERATED BASED ON THE BUDGET AND THE REVENUE THAT IT'S GOING TO GENERATE. 
          YOU KNOW, IF YOU SELL AN A HUNDRED CARS, LET'S SAY THEY'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH 2020 $500 A CAR. 
          YOU'RE ONLY GOING TO GENERATE SO MUCH REVENUE. 
          BY THE TIME YOU PAY EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH MONEY THEY CAN SPEND ON ADVERTISING. 
          RIGHT? MOST PART, WHEN THAT HAPPENS, THEY JUST BRING, WE BRING THE TRAFFIC AND THEY JUST END UP SELLING OUR TRAFFIC FOR THE MOST PART. 
          RIGHT. 
          I REMEMBER 30 YEARS AGO WHEN THERE WAS, THEY HAD THE MERCEDES, THE JAGUAR MAZDA AND THEN HUMMER CAME LATER. 
          BUT IF YOU WENT INTO THE JAGUAR STORE, IT WAS LIKE THE LIBRARY. 
          IT WAS VERY QUIET. 
          IT WAS, YOU KNOW, VERY FEW PEOPLE THERE. 
          I WOULD JUST THINK THAT WE WOULD, YOU WOULD WANT SOMETHING THERE THAT WOULD GENERATE TRAFFIC. 
          AND WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A NEW CAR FRANCHISE THERE. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          IF, IF A CHEVY STORE WOULD CAME IN OR MAZDA OR JAGUAR OR EVEN MASERATI STORE WILL COME IN, THAT'D BE FANTASTIC. 
          WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THESE PEOPLE IN THERE. 
          THE CHALLENGE, AGAIN, PUTTING A USED CAR OPERATOR INTO THE NEW CAR AUTO MALL PUTS US NEW CAR FRANCHISEES IN A DISADVANTAGE BECAUSE THEY JUST DON'T HAVE THE SAME REQUIREMENTS AS WE DO. 
          AND THAT'S A FACT, I THINK SOMEBODY WHO WANTS A MERCEDES WILL GO TO THE ENTERPRISE, BUT ANYWAYS, DOES THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO. 
          HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. 
          OKAY. 
          AT THIS TIME, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          PUBLIC HEARING OPEN. 
          WHEN HE WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU SOMETHING, IT HELPS YOU. 
          IF I MAY ADD, YOU KNOW, CONTRA COUNTRY TO COME AND BELIEVE CARMAX SELLS A LOT OF THEIR CARS ARE EXOTIC CARS. 
          LIKE FERRARI'S LAMBORGHINI'S. 
          UM, SO MANY PEOPLE THINK THEY, THEY MAKE MAJORITY OF THEIR PROFIT ON, ON MAINSTREAM CARS, WHICH IS NOT THE CASE. 
          SO IF SOMEBODY GOES ONTO A USED CAR, LOT, EVEN AN ENTERPRISE THAT MIGHT CARRY A MERCEDES CAUSE THERE ARE SOME MERCEDES-BENZ C CLASSES THAT ARE AT SOME POINT WERE RENTAL. 
          SO THAT THAT'S, THAT THAT'S IRRELEVANT. 
          WE'LL SELL 56, $60,000 CAR. 
          SOMETIMES WHEN WE TAKE IT ON TRADE OR BUY A CAR FROM THE ICO, WITH THE INTERNET, THAT'S AN OPEN MARKETPLACE. 
          AS LONG AS IT'S WITHIN THE AREA. 
          THEY'RE QUIET. 
          I JUST MEANT THAT MERCEDES HAS THERE. 
          NOPE. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION SORT OF RELATING TO HOW OH, A USED CAR DEALERSHIP HAS, HAS IMPACTED YOUR, YOUR, YOUR BUSINESS OR BUSINESSES NEGATIVELY. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY DRIVE TIME HAD A RELATIVELY SHORT-LIVED EXISTENCE NORTH CITY. 
          UM, AND YOU KNOW, DURING THAT TIME, DID, DID, DID YOU SEE A MAJOR REDUCTION IN, IN YOUR SALES AS A RESULT OF THEIR PRESENCE THERE? I MIGHT NOT SAY THAT YOU ASKED THE QUESTION BASICALLY WHAT, WHAT THE USED CAR IMPACT IN OUR FRANCHISE REALLY IS NOT A MATTER OF A COMPETITION. 
          WE SPEND A LOT OF MONEY TO CREATE FRANCHISE AND THE FACT THAT HE HAVE THESE FRANCHISE AND THEY HAVE, WE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON ADVERTISING TO BRING PEOPLE TO THE BOULEVARD OR TO BRING THEM TO THE AUTO MALL. 
          SO THE FACT THAT IT REQUIRED US TO SPEND THEIR CAR, WE SOLD ANYWHERE BETWEEN 400 TO 600 DEPENDS ON THE FRANCHISE. 
          SO WE SELL, WE SOLD IT AS A MATTER OF FACT, FOR SO FAR THIS YEAR, WHAT WAS THE NUMBER PATRICK WE SOLD SO FAR THIS YEAR, PROBABLY AN ACCESS OF 8,000 BY 
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CLOSE TO 10,000 CARS YEAR TO DATE. 
          SO WE SPEND ANYWHERE BETWEEN 400 TO 600. 
          IT DEPENDS TO THE FRANCHISE. 
          SO WE SPENT FOUR OR FIVE TO 6 MILLION DAUGHTER BY THEN DEAL. 
          WE SPENT 10 MILLION THERE. 
          SO I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN ENTERPRISE TODAY. 
          I HAVE AN ENTERPRISE TOMORROW. 
          I HAVE BOBBY SCARS. 
          SO YOU HAVE AN ENTERPRISE THAT GENTLEMAN JUST SAID IT EARLIER. 
          HE SAID, THEY SELL A HUNDRED CARS. 
          WELL, IF THEY SELL A HUNDRED CARS, THEY DON'T HAVE REQUIREMENT TO SPEND $50,000 ON ADVERTISING AND A HUNDRED CARS. 
          WE SPENT A QUARTER MILLION DHARMAS ADVERTISING PER STORE. 
          I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT. 
          SO IT BRING, IT BRING A LOT OF REVENUE TO THE CITY. 
          I MEAN, BY BRINGING A CUSTOMER REVENUE GENERATED. 
          SO, SO IT PUT US IN A DISADVANTAGE. 
          SO WE'RE BRINGING THE CUSTOMER AND THEY IN OUR BUSINESS. 
          AND THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT THE INTENT OF THE AUTO MALL. 
          WE SPEND MORE MONEY TO BE AN AUTO MALL IN A NEW CAR AUTO MALL. 
          OTHERWISE WE'LL BE IN A, DOWN THE STREET AND AZUSA OR SOMETHING ENTERPRISE ALREADY HAVE A PLACE UP IN CITRUS AVENUE. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THE REALITY IS, UH, MY CONCERN, MY, MY BIG CONCERN, REALLY, IT BECOME A USED CAR OPERATION. 
          IT WILL BE BAD FOR THE CITY. 
          IT'D BE BAD FOR THE BUSINESS. 
          IT'S BAD FOR EVERYBODY. 
          YOU SPENT WELL OVER A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS TO BUY A FRANCHISE. 
          SO I THAT'S IF, MAKE ANY SENSE. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          NOW WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AGAIN, AN OPEN DISCUSSION COMMISSION. 
          SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR, UM, THE CITY ATTORNEY, UH, WHAT AUTHORITY DOES, UH, WHAT AUTHORITY DOES, DOES THE CITY HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION LIKE THIS? THANK YOU, UH, CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS, UH, CHRISTIE SMITH, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO AREN'T FAMILIAR WITH ME. 
          UM, SO UNDER THE CITY'S POLICE POWERS UNDER THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, YOU HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO, UH, REGULATE YOUR LAND USE. 
          AND THIS IS WHAT THIS WOULD BE. 
          THIS IS A LAND USE REGULATION, UH, REGARDING THE USE OF A PARTICULAR PROPERTY OR PIECES OF PROPERTY. 
          OKAY, PERFECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN, UM, FOR CITY STAFF, UM, JUST TO CLARIFY, WHO'S, UM, THE OWNER OF NEXT START SUPERFORMANCE FORD, IS THAT WHAT IT WAS? WAS IT NOT MR? IS THAT MR. AL HANSEN'S PROPERTIES OR WHO'S THE OWNERS NEXT DOOR TO PERFORMANCE FORWARDS TO EMPTY LOTS EMPTY LOTS. 
          I'M NOT SURE IF THE ENTITY, BUT I THINK YOU SAID, UH,  UH, INCORPORATED, UM, WHICH I THINK IS AN ENTITY ON BY MS. . 
          YES. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          UM, WELL I THINK IT'S TO THE STAFF ANSWERED IT. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, OKAY, GREAT. 
          AND THEN, UM, RIGHT, AND THEN HOW LONG HAS NORM NORM, MARIE'S SORRY, NORM REES HONDA. 
          I'VE BEEN IN OUR CITY THREE AND ALL THAT. 
          I'M NOT SURE. 
          I THINK IT'S BEEN THREE YEARS. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GREAT, CHRISTIE. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. 
          UH, ONE OF THE GENTLEMEN, UH, MENTIONED THAT THAT LOT WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE A NEW CAR DEALERSHIP. 
          THERE IS THAT, DOES THAT, IS THAT VALID? SO I'M GOING TO REFER TO STAFF B DEPENDING ON THE LOT SIZE AND THE, AND THE REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE ZONING CODE, WHETHER OR NOT IT, UH, WOULD MEET, UH, REQUIREMENTS FOR A NEW CARD LOT. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          SIZE-WISE I'M SORRY. 
          COULD YOU REPEAT THAT? CERTAINLY I'M GOING TO REFER TO STAFF BECAUSE DEPENDING ON WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE, AND SOME OF IT MAY ACTUALLY BE THE REQUIREMENTS OF A NEW CAR DEALER, NEW, UM, AUTO MAKER ITSELF AS TO WHAT THEIR REQUIREMENTS ARE. 
          SO IT MAY OR MAY NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS. 
          SO I'LL HAVE TO REFER TO STAFF IF THEY KNOW WELL, THAT ANSWER THE CITY DOES, UM, NEW CAR DEALERSHIPS IN THAT LOCATION BEFORE IT WAS DRY TIME, IT WAS OCCUPIED BY A NEW CAR DEALERSHIP, WHICH DEALERSHIP WAS THAT? IT WAS THE HUMMER DEALERSHIP. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THE ZONING DOES ALLOW FOR NEW CAR DEALERSHIPS ON THAT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, I JUST WANT TO ADD, I'VE BEEN A COMMISSIONERS FOR QUITE A FEW YEARS NOW, AND I BELIEVE SEVERAL YEARS BACK WE DID AS A CITY SPEND QUITE A LOT OF MONEY. 
          THE AUTO DEALER MAY HAVE KNOWN 
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THAT THE BIG SIGN. 
          UM, I THINK THE CITY BELIEVED THAT BY PAYING INTO THAT BIG SCIENCE, WHICH IS THE CITY SPENT, I THINK OVER, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, BUT MAYBE YOU GUYS, WE CALLED, UM, THE CITY BELIEVED THAT BY MAKING THAT BIG SIGN OR BUILDING THAT BIG SIGN FOR THE AUTO PLAZA OVER THERE CAN HELP BRING THE COMP UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE CITY BUSINESSES IN REVENUES SO THAT THE CITY DID PARTICIPATE IN BUILDING THAT BIG SIGNS. 
          AND, UM, THAT WAS IN THE ANTICIPATIONS TO HELP THE PLAZA TO BRING IN, UM, BASICALLY TO BRING IN, UM, TRAFFIC AND TO BRING IN BUSINESS. 
          I WROTE, I'M NOT SURE IF ALL THE COMMISSIONERS HERE IS AWARE OF THAT BIG SIGNS THAT THE CITY ACTUALLY PUT THE MONEY INTO. 
          UM, I'M NOT SURE IF THE DOLL, I DON'T, MAYBE PERHAPS ONE OF THE AUTO DEALER MAY KNOW ABOUT, OR MAYBE PAULINE. 
          YEAH. 
          I CAN PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY TO THAT. 
          SO IN 93, THE, UM, AUTO PLAZA BID OR BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT WAS ESTABLISHED SPECIFICALLY TO, UM, FINANCE A, UH, TO CREATE A BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT, OR ALL OF THE PROPERTIES IN THAT AREA WERE, UH, UH, GIVEN A DIRECT ASSESSMENT, UM, WHICH THEY PAID ON THEIR PROPERTY TAX ROLL, AND THAT HELPED FINANCE THE READER BOARD SIGN THAT, UM, WAS TO ADVERTISE, UM, THE DEALERSHIPS WITHIN THE DISTRICT AND TO CREATE A BRANDING AND MARKETING FOR THAT AREA TO HELP INCREASE SALES OF THOSE DEALERSHIPS, UM, IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, AND MORE RECENTLY, UM, I THINK IT WAS AROUND 2015, 2016, UM, THAT READER BOARD, YOU KNOW, IT WAS OUTDATED AND THE CITY DID. 
          UM, SO THE FIRST TIME THAT IT WAS ESTABLISHED, I BELIEVE IT WAS A FORMER REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY LOAN IN 93, UM, IN 2015, 2016, THE CITY OF WEST COVINA LENT THE AUTO PLAZA, APPROXIMATELY HALF A MILLION TO UPDATE THE READER BURSTEIN TO AN LED SIGN. 
          UM, SO THE AUTO PLAZA BID IS CURRENTLY PAYING, MAKING PAYMENTS TO THE CITY, UH, FOR REPAYMENT OF THAT LOAN, I SHOULD SAY, WE'VE ALREADY CLOSED PUBLIC HEARING. 
          UM, WE'LL OPEN IT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME OUT. 
          WE'RE ASKING ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE, OF THE LAW, THE ORIGINAL TENANT THAT WAS ON 1900 EAST GARVEY PROPERTY WAS PALMER WAS BUILT SPECIFICALLY FOR HUMMER AND HUMMER SOLD ESSENTIALLY ONE VEHICLE. 
          THAT'S WHY IT'S, THERE'S EXTREME DIFFICULTY IN FINDING A NEW CAR DEALERSHIP. 
          THAT'S GOING TO GO ON THAT PARTICULAR LOT BECAUSE IT'S SO SMALL. 
          AND I HAVE GONE THROUGH THE GAMUT OF NEW CAR FRANCHISES THAT ARE AVAILABLE FROM VOLVO TO MASERATI TO RANGE ROVER, UH, THE WHOLE GROUP AND HAVE BEEN UNSUCCESSFUL EITHER BECAUSE 1900 IS TOO SMALL OR NEXT DOOR, THE CHEVROLET SPOT, 1932 IS TOO LARGE. 
          IT'S GOT 32 SERVICE BAYS UNDERNEATH. 
          YOU KNOW, I EVEN TALKED TO THE ELECTRIC CAR COMPANY. 
          I CAN'T MENTION ABOUT 1900 BECAUSE IT WAS ABOUT THE RIGHT SIZE FOR THEM BECAUSE THEY SELL WE BASICALLY ONE OR TWO MODELS, BUT YOU CAN'T GET A FULL LINE, A NEW CAR FRANCHISE TO TAKE THAT SPOT. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER NEW CAR FRANCHISES WE HAVE FOUND SO FAR HAVE BEEN ON INTERESTED IN TAKING THE CHEVROLET FACILITY BECAUSE IT IS TOO LARGE. 
          AND THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY ALL OF THEM ARE TAKEN IN THIS AREA IF THEY ARE NOT IN GLENDORA OR IN CITY OF INDUSTRY, LAHABRA MONROVIA, ET CETERA. 
          AND THEY HAVE TRADE LIMITS, THEY CAN'T BE PLACED SO, SO CLOSE TOGETHER. 
          SO WE HAVE STRUCK OUT WHEN, WHEN CITY COUNCIL SAYS, WELL, JUST GO OUT AND GET A NEW CAR FRANCHISE. 
          WELL, WE HAVE TRIED, THERE AREN'T ANY OUT THERE IN THE MIDST OF THE ECONOMIC DOWNTURN THAT WE'RE IN. 
          THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME CLARIFY THAT. 
          AND I NEVER SAID THAT WE OWN STORES. 
          I SAID, WE OWN PROPERTY, 
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WHICH IS THE TRUTH, BUT THE APPLICANT LIKE TO RESI CANNOT HAVE ANY NEW CLARA FRANCHISE. 
          FIRST, YOU CAN HAVE A NEW CAR FRANCHISE. 
          HOW MUCH IS A NEW CAR FRANCHISE? THEY USED TO HAVE A CLIP PENSIONER THERE, BUT, UH, THEY, WEREN'T A GREAT OPERATOR. 
          THIS IS THE REASON IT LOST IT. 
          SO IF THEY HAVE A PROBLEM THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT OUR PROBLEM, BASICALLY IT DOESN'T MAKE IT A CITY PROBLEM. 
          DOESN'T MAKE IT OUR PROBLEM. 
          THEY HAD THE NEW CAR FRANCHISE BEFORE AND THEY LOST IT IN THE BANKRUPTCY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU WELL, PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. 
          ANY MORE QUESTIONS? WELL, ACTUALLY LET'S HAVE A DISCUSSION FIRST. 
          UM, I THINK AS COMMISSIONERS, WE SHOULD HAVE SOME TYPE OF DISCUSSIONS WE GOT IN WHAT WE SH HOW WE SHOULD PROCEED WITH THIS. 
          UM, UM, THIS PARTICULAR, UM, ISSUE IN FRONT OF US TONIGHT. 
          I MEAN, IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO, UM, IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO CHANGE THE DYNAMIC OF THE HOLD, UM, ZONING AND OVERLAY OF IN, IN CHANGING THE WHOLE LAND USE. 
          I THINK WHAT'S PROBABLY BETTER COMP BETTER FOR THIS SITUATION IS THAT I ALSO HEARD THAT THERE IS A C U P THAT'S COMING UP OR, WELL, WE'LL BE COMING IN FRONT OF US. 
          AND PERHAPS WE CAN TIE, IT SAID OF, UM, CHANGING THE ZONING CODE TO ACCOMMODATE ONE. 
          I'M CALLING THE ENTERPRISE. 
          PERHAPS MAYBE WE CAN HAVE A, UM, WHEN THE CUP IT'S COMING, THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, IT'S COMING IN FRONT OF US. 
          MAYBE WE CAN DECIDE THEN AT THAT TIME TO SEE, INSTEAD OF CHANGING THE LAND USE, I'M SAYING CHANGING THE CONDITION ON USE INSTEAD. 
          SO THAT MIGHT BE A BETTER FIT BECAUSE WHEN YOU CHANGING A LAND USE, WHICH IS, IT CARRIES THROUGH THE ENTIRE LAND, THE ENTITLEMENT WILL BE ALWAYS THERE. 
          HOWEVER, UM, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE. 
          CHANGING LAND USE IS, IS, IS THE RIGHT WAY TO GO AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME BECAUSE WE ARE NOT QUITE SURE WHAT EXACTLY THEY'RE GOING TO DO ON THAT PARTICULAR LAND. 
          AND ESPECIALLY THERE'S A LOT OF DEALERS THAT HAS BEEN PREEXISTING. 
          IT'S BEEN THERE A LONG TIME AND I DO LIKE EITHER ONE, UM, PUSH IT FORWARD TO HAVE OTHER MEETINGS TO HEAR. 
          AND PERHAPS THAT THEY ALSO HAVE TIME TO DISCUSS ABOUT THE ASSOCIATIONS. 
          I, I, I'M NOT AWARE OF THE ASSOCIATIONS AND I'M NOT PRIVY TO THAT. 
          PERHAPS GIVE THEM MORE TIMES TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATIONS, TO SEE WHERE TO PROCEED. 
          AND ALSO IT GIVE US A LITTLE BIT, ONE TIME FOR THE CITIES TO WORK WITH THE CURRENT CANDIDATE, TO SEE WHERE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS, UM, IS, IS, IS HEADING OR COMING OR, OR WHAT HAVE YOU. 
          SO I THINK RIGHT NOW IT'S A LITTLE BIT TOO EARLY JUST TO CHANGE THE LAND USE TO, I GUESS, TO CHANGE THE LAND USE FOR ONE COMPANY. 
          WHEN WE NOT EXACTLY SURE WHERE, WHERE THAT DIRECTION IS HEADING. 
          SO THAT'S, TO ME IS CONCERNING THAT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS LIKE A LITTLE CONCERNING. 
          I LIKE TO HAVE MORE TIME TO, TO EITHER ONE VISIT THIS WHOLE ISSUE THAT I'M NOT VERY FAMILIAR WITH AND ALSO PROVIDE THE CAR DEALERS AND THEIR ASSOCIATIONS TO GET TOGETHER AND HAVE SOME MORE TALKS AND THEN COME BACK HERE IN A LATER DATE. 
          AND, AND, AND PERHAPS WE CAN TIE EVERYTHING IN WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT W WHEN THE COMPANY IS WHAT IS TO SUBMIT THE APPLICATIONS, UH, CONVENTIONAL SHARE, IF I CAN CLARIFY ONE THING. 
          UM, SO, UH, AS, UH, JOANNE MENTIONED EARLIER, THE NOTICING THAT, UH, WAS MENTIONED, UH, DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT WAS IN REGARDS TO THE AUTO PLAZA BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT MEETINGS, WHICH IS, UH, IT'S SEPARATE FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPLICATION PROCESS. 
          AND SO THOSE ARE TWO SEPARATE PROCESSES IN TWO SEPARATE MEETINGS. 
          SO THEY DID HOLD AUTOPLUS AT BA DID, DID HOLD THEIR ANNUAL MEETING IN WHICH, UM, THE OVERLAY WAS BROUGHT UP. 
          WE SUBSEQUENTLY AGENDIZED, UM, ON A SEPARATE MEETING AND DISCUSSED WITH THE MEMBERS IN ATTENDANCE. 
          RIGHT. 
          I HAVE SOME COMMENTS, UM, SORRY, JUST TO CLARIFY, UM, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, MR. SIMON OWNS IVISION ADI ENVISION MERCEDES ENVISION TO YODA ENVISION JEEP DODGE RAM, AND WE HAVE NORMS REEVES HONDA. 
          SO WE HAVE TECHNICALLY SIX, SEVEN COMPANIES, AND THEN WE HAVE TWO EMPTY SPOTS. 
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UH, THAT'S CURRENTLY EMPTY, UM, BY COMPANIES ASSOCIATED WITH MR. OWN HOUNDS AL HENSON. 
          BUT, UM, SO IF WE LOOK AT THE ACCOUNT, EACH OF THOSE BUSINESSES AND ADD THEM UP, YOU'RE LOOKING AT NEW CAR DEALERSHIPS WHO ARE, WHO ARE THE MAJORITY EXISTENCE CURRENTLY IN THAT AUTO PLAZA. 
          AND I KNOW WHEN I VISITED THOSE STARS, LIKE, UH, WHEN I, WHEN I WENT TO GO VISIT MERCEDES AND AUDI AND, AND THEIR MECHANIC SHOP ACROSS THE FREEWAY, UH, THEY HAVE INVESTED A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF IMPROVEMENT, AND I KNOW PERFORMANCE FORD, WHICH JUST BECAME OWNERS OF THAT AREA THAT WAS SOLD BY THE HIDALGO FAMILY. 
          UH, I KNOW THEY'VE DONE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF IMPROVEMENT MAKING THAT AREA BEAUTIFIED AND, AND MORE SAFER AND ASSESSABLE, ESPECIALLY FOR PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES AND THE SENSIBILITIES WHEN NINA ACCESSIBILITIES. 
          UM, AND SO I WAS JUST URGE THE COMMISSION. 
          NOW, WILL YOU LOOK AT THE CURRENT ALK OR PENCE AND HEAR THEIR VOICE BECAUSE AN EDITOR, THEY, THEY ARE INVESTING MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS INTO OUR CITY, AND THEY CONTINUE TO DO THAT AND CONTINUED TO GROW IN OUR CITY. 
          AND THAT'S THEIR, THEIR KINDNESS AND THEIR COMPASSION AND THEIR LEADERSHIP SPEAKS FOR THEMSELVES. 
          UH, BECAUSE IF YOU ADD UP THE COMPANIES RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE A MAJORITY OF THE BUSINESS OWNERS IN THIS ROOM TODAY COMPARED TO JUST TWO EMPTY OCCUPANTS THERE, OUR NEXT STORE THEY'RE CURRENTLY EMPTY. 
          AND SO I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT WHO'S HERE TODAY AND, AND WHO'S, UH, WHO'S INVESTING CURRENTLY IN OUR COMMUNITIES. 
          AND IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, YOU'LL SEE THAT CURRENTLY ENVISION NORM REECE HONDA PERFORMANCE FORWARD ARE THE MAJORITY OWNERS OF, OF THE, OF THE BRANDS THEY OWN IN THAT AUTO STRIP AREA. 
          AND SO I WOULD JUST URGE THE COMMISSION TO LOOK AT THE FACTS OF THE MATTER AND, AND CONSIDER THAT ONLY A BRAND NEW CAR DEALERSHIP AND INVESTING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IS A, IS A HARD JOB. 
          UH, WHEN I WAS, UH, 18 YEARS OLD, ONE OF THE FIRST JOBS I HAD WAS WORKING WITH PENSKE MOTOR GROUP, BUT, UH, WHICH IS THE ONLY WAY ASSOCIATED WITH THIS, BUT IT'S, IT'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THE OWNERS HAVE TO PUT INTO THEIR DEALERSHIP. 
          AND I THINK WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHY THEY'RE HERE TODAY AND WHY THEY'RE REQUESTING OUR, OUR, UH, SUPPORT FOR THIS MATTER, BECAUSE, AND THEN THEY'RE, THEY, YOU HAVE THE MAJORITY OF OWNERS HERE WHO ARE THE, ARE THE CURRENT OCCUPANT OCCUPANTS AND THE MAJORITY OWNERSHIP, UH, OCCUPANTS WHO ARE CURRENTLY RENTING THOSE FACILITIES AND PAYING TAXES AND INVESTING BACK IN OUR COMMUNITIES, SOLID, JUST URGE THE COMMISSION TO LOOK AT THE CURRENT FACTS. 
          AND, AND, AND, AND IT'S WITHIN OBVIOUSLY OUR DECISION TO MAKE THAT VOTE, BUT ALSO EVENTUALLY GO BACK TO THE CITY CONSOLE. 
          BUT SO I WOULD JUST URGE MY FELLOW COMMISSION MEMBERS. 
          SO ONCE AGAIN, LOOK AT THE CURRENT FACTS AND LOOK AT WHO'S CURRENTLY INVESTING IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          WHO'S CURRENTLY PAYING TAXES, UH, BECAUSE IT IS A HARD, HARD ENDEAVOR IN THE NEW CAR BUSINESS AND FOR, FOR THEIR LEADERSHIP TO CONTINUE TO WANT TO INVEST IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          WE SHOULDN'T TURN OUR BACKS ON PEOPLE WHO HAVE INVESTED TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF SUPPORT FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR PAIN TAXES AND WHO ARE THE MAJORITY OCCUPANTS OF THAT AREA. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          UM, I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF, JOANNE. 
          UM, IT SEEMS AWKWARD IN THAT THE COMMISSION IS HEARING THAT AN ENTITLEMENT WAS ACTUALLY SUBMITTED, WHICH HASN'T COME BEFORE US YET. 
          SO I GUESS THE QUESTION I HAVE IS THE ACTION THAT WE TAKE POSSIBLY THIS EVENING. 
          UM, HOW MIGHT THAT A PATH THAT ENTITLEMENT THAT'S ALREADY BEEN SUBMITTED TO THE CITY? UM, THE ENTITLEMENT WILL GO THROUGH THE NORMAL CONDITIONAL PERMIT PROCESS. 
          UM, CURRENTLY WE ARE, WE ARE, UM, STAFF IS REVIEWING THE APPLICATION FOR COMPLETENESS. 
          IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHERE THE, WHERE THE CITY IS IN THE PROCESS OF THIS CO UM, CODE AMENDMENT ZONE CHANGE. 
          AND WHEN IS THIS, AND WHEN THE ZONE CHANGE IS GOING TO TAKE, BE IN EFFECT, AND, AND ALSO WHEN THE, WHEN THE, WHEN THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS GOING TO BE SCHEDULED OR PLANNING COMMISSION FOR REVIEW AND CONSIDERATION, BRIAN, GOING BACK TO WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT, I THINK YOU'RE CORRECT. 
          UM, WE THINK, AND I DON'T REMEMBER THE INVISION 
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FOR THEIR SUPPORT OF OUR CITY, BUT THERE, I BELIEVE ON BOTH SIDES, THEY ARE SUPPORTERS OF THE CITY. 
          THEN I, IT, IT'S VERY, UM, INTERESTING THAT ONE ACTUALLY IS A LANDLORD OF THE OTHER. 
          SO, UH, BUT I DO AGREE WITH SHEENA THAT MAYBE WE NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO GET MORE FAMILIAR, THIS LIKE, TO MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE. 
          I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE. 
          SECOND, THE MOTION MOTION, COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS. I AM MISSIONARY TERRORISTS. 
          NO, UM, UH, COMMISSIONER HANG I, UH, VICE CHAIR LEWIS. 
          NOPE. 
          I CHAIR VISCERA. 
          I, I GUESS NO PASSES THREE TO MAY HAVE WE FINISHED CLARIFICATION. 
          SO ARE YOU CONTINUING NOW TO A CERTAIN TIME PERIOD, OR YOU JUST CONTINUE OFF CALENDAR WITH GIVING DIRECTION TO STAFF AS TO WHEN TO BRING IT BACK? UM, WE CAN CONTINUE THIS OR TIE IT TOGETHER WITH A CUP THAT WAS COMING IN. 
          I THINK THAT'S A CONFLICT. 
          I THINK WE SHOULD BRING THIS BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING. 
          WE SHOULDN'T PUT TWO THINGS TOGETHER CAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO CREDIT CONFLICT. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHY IT'S GOOD. 
          THIS ZONE CHANGE AND CON AND CODE AMENDMENT NOT BE TIED TO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. 
          THAT'S A SEPARATE APPLICATION PROCESS, SO OKAY. 
          THEN NOT BE TIED. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THEN WE'LL JUST CONTINUOUS TO ANOTHER DAY PLANNING PERMISSION ON SEPTEMBER 14. 
          IS THERE A SPECIFIC DIRECTION THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO, UM, STAFF TO LOOK INTO FOR THE REASON FOR THE CONTINUANCE? UM, BRUNEL FOR THE BUILDING IS THE BUILDING IS VACANT. 
          THERE'S TWO VACANT PROPERTIES, SO THE PROPERTIES ARE VACANT. 
          SO AT THIS POINT, WHAT IS, ARE THEY, IS THERE ANY, ANY HAZARDS TO KEEPING THEM VACANT? I THINK ONE OF THE ITEMS INCLUDED IN THE OVERLAY ZONE WAS LIGHTING TO INCREASE SECURITY DURING THE EVENING. 
          NOT SURE THAT LIGHTING WILL DO THE TRICK, BUT, UM, IF WE COULD GET MORE INFORMATION ON, I MEAN, ARE WE WILLING TO LET IT STAY VACANT FOR A LONG I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION? I MEAN, HOW LONG ARE WE WILLING TO LET IT STAY VACANT? UM, I, I THINK THE DRIVE TIME HAS BEEN VACANT FOR OVER A YEAR. 
          THE CLIP UNDER CHEVROLET. 
          I, I IT'S BEEN, I THINK OVER 10 YEARS, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. 
          AND I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THE LOOK OF THE STREET AND AESTHETICS, I MEAN, HOW DOES IT LOOK TO HAVE THAT AREA LOOKING LIKE IT IS RIGHT. 
          WELL, I KNOW ON A MARKETING PERSPECTIVE, WHEN YOU HAVE TWO EMPTY LOTS, COMPLETELY BLACKED OUT AND YOU HAVE THE OTHER ONES LEADING UP, THEN WHEN IT COMES TO PASSING CARS, THAT KIND OF, AND A MARKETING PERSPECTIVE, THAT'S BAD. 
          SO HAVING THEM LIT UP IS NOT ONLY A SECURITY ISSUE, BUT ALSO A MARKING ASPECTS ABOUT IT. 
          MAYBE WE CAN. 
          UM, AND ALSO TO CLARIFY, UM, REGARDING THE PLANNING COMMISSION DECISION, THE PLANNING COMMISSION ALSO HAS THE OPTION TO DENY THEIR, UM, TO DENY THE REQUEST AND RECOMMEND DENIAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION ALSO HAS AN OPTION TO MAKE CERTAIN, TO STRIKE CERTAIN LANGUAGE IN THE JEFF AMENDMENT CODE AMENDMENT. 
          LIKE IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO, TO ALLOW FOR CAR DEALERSHIPS, UM, THAT SELLS USED CARS, UM, THROUGH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PROCESS THAT CAN ALSO BE ADDED TO THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          I'M SORRY, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT LAST PART? JOANNA MINING COMMISSION ALSO HAS THE OPTION OF ADDING OR STRIKING OUT CERTAIN LANGUAGES IN THE DRAFT CODE AMENDMENT. 
          IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO ADD A LAW, UM, WOULD LIKE TO ALLOW OR ADD PROVISIONS TO ALLOW A USED CAR DEALERSHIP IN THE, IN THE DRAFT CODE AMENDMENT FOR THE OVERLAY ZONE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION ALSO HAS THAT OPTION TO, TO ALLOW TO, UM, DIRECT STAFF TO REVISE THE CODE AMENDMENT, TO ADD FOR USED CAR DEALERSHIPS OR, OR, OR, OR, UM, CAR RENTAL AS WELL. 
          I THINK IF I'M AT MADE, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT YOU REALLY, YOU CLARIFY FOR STAFF AS 
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TO WHAT IT IS WHEN YOU'RE CONTINUING IT, YOU'RE LOOKING AT TO BRING BACK. 
          SO THAT WAY, WHEN THEY COME BACK, NOT THE SAME ISSUE, SO TO SPEAK, IT'S LIKE, IT'S WHAT YOU'RE SPECIFICALLY ASKING THEM TO DO. 
          SO THEY CAN COME BACK WITH THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW THAT AND STAFF CAN, CAN, YOU KNOW, TELL ME NO THEY'VE GOT IT OR THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION AS TO WHY THEY CONTINUANCE AND WHAT YOU ARE EXPECTING THEM TO COME BACK WITH. 
          SO I WOULD, UH, JUST TO CLARIFY, ARE WE GOING TO BRING THIS BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING IS SEPTEMBER 14, SEPTEMBER 14. 
          OKAY. 
          GREAT CLARIFICATION. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, I KNOW, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I'LL URGE MY COMMISSION, UH, COMMISSION MEMBERS IS THAT, UH, AND, AND THE APPLICANT, I THINK MAYBE, UH, YOU GUYS TO DO A POWERPOINT AND SHOW YOUR BACKGROUND TO OUR COMMUNITY AND, AND THEN SHOW THE BACKGROUND OF THE BUSINESSES YOU OWN IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          I THINK THAT WILL BE HELPFUL. 
          UM, ACTUALLY IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE STAFF TO OUTLINE FOR US AGAIN, IF WE CHOOSE TO RECOMMEND TO THE COUNCIL TO GO FORWARD WITH THE OVERLAYS ZONE FOR THE AUTO PLAZA, LIMITING IT TO NEW CAR SALES, WHAT WOULD THE RAMIFICATIONS BE FOR THE CURRENT ENTITLEMENT THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO THE CITY? AND WE'D ALSO LIKE TO KNOW WHEN WAS THAT ENTITLEMENT SUBMITTED AND WHEN WAS THE TIMELINE WHEN THIS REQUEST FOR THE OVERLAYS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND ALSO IT'S POSSIBLE. 
          UM, I, FOR MYSELF IS IT'S NOT VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE AUTO ZONE AND THE BUSINESSES OVER THERE. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S A WHOLE STRIPPED OF PRETTY MUCH TAKE A WHOLE CHUNK OF OUT, UM, FREEWAY YOU CAN SAY. 
          AND I LIKE TO BE ABLE TO TALK WITH THE DEALER, ACTUALLY, MY THEY'RE NOT THAT MANY OF THEM TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE IMPACT THAT THAT WOULD BE. 
          THAT WOULD BE MY INTEREST TO SEE HOW MUCH, UM, IMPACT WOULD THAT BE TO THEIR BUSINESSES IF THE ZONING CHANGED SO THAT IF THE BUSINESS CAN REACH OUT TO US AND, AND IF HE CAN MEET UP WITH THEM TO HAVE TO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, CAUSE I DON'T REALLY KNOW A WHOLE LOT ABOUT THIS BUSINESS. 
          AND I, I LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE IMPACT WOULD BE BESIDES THE FIVE MINUTES THAT THEY HAVE HERE. 
          I MEAN, THEY CAN, YOU CAN EITHER CONTACT THE CITY OR, OR WE'LL SET UP SOME MEETINGS FOR ALL THE COMMISSIONERS TO ACTUALLY HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THAT HUGE, UM, AUTO PLAZA MEANS TO OUR COMMUNITY. 
          AND ALSO, UM, THE IMPACT IN TERMS OF THE CHANGES THE ZONE HAVE ANY, AND THEN WE CAN GO FROM THERE. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT USE CAR IS ALSO IMPORTANT NOWADAYS. 
          UM, IT IS, I MEAN, PEOPLE HAVE USED CARS BECAUSE OF THE ECONOMIES, UM, THAT IS A HUGE IMPACT AS WELL TO OUR COMMUNITY. 
          AND IT'S ALSO A GOOD, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GOOD FOR THE RESIDENT. 
          I'M NOT SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS COMPLETELY BLOCKED OUT THE JUICE CARD BUSINESS. 
          AND IN FACT, THE CAR DEALER DO HAVE USED CAR BUSINESS AS WELL. 
          I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH IMPACT BY US MAKING A DECISIONS, ONE IMPACTING THE OTHER. 
          I JUST, RIGHT NOW, I JUST DON'T KNOW. 
          I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE DEALERSHIPS. 
          I DON'T KNOW IT'S ABOUT WHAT OUR DECISIONS IMPACT, EVERYONE THAT'S INVOLVED. 
          I AGREE WITH THAT. 
          AND ALSO THE FACT THAT, UH, THE APPLICANT MENTIONED THAT IT DOES TAKE AWAY FROM THEIR BUSINESS. 
          SO DR. 
          TOM HAS BEEN OUT SINCE JANUARY, YOU KNOW, HAVE THEY HAD, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY FIRST ARRIVED, WHAT IMPACT DID THAT HAVE ON THEIR SALES? AND SINCE THEY'VE BEEN GONE, HAS IT HAD, UH, YOU KNOW, HAS, HAVE THEY INCREASED IN, OF COURSE AT THIS TIME, IT'S HARD TO SAY BECAUSE OF COVID, UH, TO HAVE ACCURATE, YOU KNOW, NUMBERS, BUT THAT WOULD BE ALSO INTERESTING TO KNOW AS WELL. 
          I THINK WE HAVE CLARIFICATION. 
          SO BRING IT BACK OVER, CONTINUE THE ITEM TO THE SEPTEMBER 14TH, UM, AS IT PERTAINS TO THE LIGHTING ISSUE, UM, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE SHOWROOMS, BUT AT LEAST WHAT I'VE SEEN OR LIT UP, THE ONES THAT ARE OCCUPIED ARE LIT UP ON, EVEN IN THE, I, I I'D LIKE TO SEE, UM, SOME LANGUAGE THAT WOULD REQUIRE THAT EVEN THE VACANT SHOWROOMS ARE, ARE LIT UP. 
          JUST SO THERE'S UNIFORMITY. 
          UM, THROUGHOUT THE, 
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THROUGHOUT THE EVENING HOURS, AT THE VERY LEAST, THIS MIGHT GIVE BOTH PARTIES A CHANCE TO PERHAPS MAYBE TALK ABOUT, I, YOU KNOW, WE WERE TAUGHT, THEY, I HEARD TALK ABOUT THE ADVERTISEMENT AND THE FILMING AND WHATNOT. 
          MAYBE THERE CAN BE SOME KIND OF COMPROMISE WHERE, UH, THE APPLICANTS AND ENTERPRISE MAYBE ENTERPRISE CAN IN THEIR ADVERTISEMENT CAN GENERATE BUSINESS FOR THE APPLICANT AS WELL. 
          THAT WAY THEY WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR THEM ALL, VERY GOOD FORCE THEM. 
          SO WELL EMOTIONS FOR THE NEXT MEETING. 
          I HAVE QUESTION THE CITY ATTORNEY IS THE, IS A COMMISSION ALLOW BAD, UH, UNDER THE STAFF PRESENTATION TO LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF THAT, ALL THOSE ON THE STAFF COULD BRING BACK A HISTORY TIMELINE ON THE BACKGROUND OF THAT WHOLE STRIP, THAT WHOLE OLIVES ON AREA. 
          ARE WE ALLOWED TO LOOK AT IN HISTORY AND LOOK UP, SORRY. 
          YES. 
          STAFF AND THEIR PRESENTATION CAN GIVE YOU THE BACKGROUND OF THE AUTO CENTER. 
          THEY, UM, WHERE YOU WOULD AT LEAST HAVE THE, LIKE YOU SAID, THE HISTORY AND THE BACKGROUND. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON AND HOW LONG IT'S BEEN THERE, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF HISTORY THERE AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE COMMISSION AND THE COMMUNITY KNOW ABOUT IT. 
          SO THANK YOU, MELINA. 
          UM, SINCE WE'RE GOING TO BE CONTINUING THIS TO THE NEXT STEP AT THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING, UH, AFTER THAT, UH, THE MATTER WILL BE TAKEN TO CITY COUNCIL FOR FINAL, CORRECT. 
          WELL, DEPENDS ON IF WE PASS HER. 
          GOT IT. 
          I THINK, YEAH, EITHER WAY IT'S RECOMMENDED, UH, FOR CITY COUNCIL POOL OR DECLINED, IT WILL GO TO, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          OKAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          I LEAVE. 
          WE ARE DONE WITH ITEM NUMBER THREE. 
          THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN. 
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ALINA, WHO WILL BE REPRESENTING THE NEXT STAFF REPORT. 
          WE DOING ITEM NUMBER TWO AND SORRY. 
          ASSISTANT PLANNER CHAMELEON MARTINEZ WILL PRESENT THE STAFF REPORT. 
          GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. 
          UM, SO THIS ITEM IS A CONTINUATION FROM A PREVIOUS MEETING, UM, IN REGARDS TO, UM, SUBDIVISION OF TWO PROPERTIES INTO SIX LOTS. 
          SO I'M GOING TO KIND OF GLANCE OVER THE FEW OF THE FIRST FEW SLIDES CAUSE YOU'VE SEEN THEM ALREADY, BUT WE'LL GET MORE INTO THE LAST SLIDES IN REGARDS TO THE ADDITIONS DONE AT YOUR REQUEST. 
          APPLICANT IS, UM, TDK MARSH INVESTMENT LLC. 
          ON THE ADDRESSES FOR THESE PROPERTIES IS GOING TO BE, UM, 6 42 AND 7 0 4 EAST FRANCISQUITO AVENUE. 
          THEY ARE BOTH ZONED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. 
          UM, THIS AREA WILL SHOWS YOU THE TWO LOTS TOGETHER. 
          AND THEN, UM, THE PROPOSED.ONE AND PROPOSED LOT TWO, I'M SORRY, NOT PROPOSED. 
          THESE ARE THE EXISTING LOT, ONE AND EXISTING. 
          UM, THESE ARE THE LOTS, A LOT ONE RIGHT HERE. 
          UM, AN ORANGE LOT TO LOT, THREE LOT FOR LOT FIVE AND LOT SIX AS, UM, PREVIOUS QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC, THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT WHERE THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAYS WOULD BE IF A SOW DIVISION WERE TO BE APPROVED. 
          SO THESE ARROWS ARE INDICATING POTENTIALLY WHERE, UM, NEW DRIVEWAYS WOULD BE LOCATED FOR A NEW SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING, UM, HOMES. 
          UM, SO THESE ARE THE OUTLINES. 
          ONCE AGAIN, INDICATED IN THESE RED, UH, AREAS, THESE ARE THE AREAS THAT ARE GOING TO BE DEMOLISHED TO MEET OUR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. 
          ONCE THE LOTS, UM, ARE SUBDIVIDED, UM, BECAUSE THE BUILDINGS ARE TOO CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINES, EITHER EXCEEDING IT OR ARE JUST TOO CLOSE TO MEET OUR STANDARDS. 
          THESE THREE CIRCLES AT THE TOP 
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ARE THE CURRENT DRIVEWAY EASEMENTS FOR THE EXISTING DWELLINGS. 
          UM, AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, WE ARE REQUIRING THEM TO BE, UM, REMOVED AND THE CURB TO BE CLOSED UP AGAIN BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY WILL NO LONGER SERVE AS A PRIMARY DRIVEWAYS FOR THE NEW LOTS. 
          SO 4, 6 42 EAST FRANCISQUITO AVENUE. 
          UM, THIS IS THE SITE PLAN AS IT'S CURRENTLY IS THESE TWO GREEN DOTS ARE THE TWO TREES PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED BECAUSE OF THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE NEW PROPOSED DRIVEWAY AND INDICATED IN RED IS CURRENT, UM, CHAINING FENCING AND A BLOCK WALL THAT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED BECAUSE WE DO NOT ALLOW FOR CHANNELING FENCES TO BE IN THE FRONT YARD. 
          AND ALSO THE BLOCK WALL, UM, SECTION TO THE SOUTH NEEDS TO BE REMOVED BECAUSE, UM, IT DOESN'T MEET OUR FRONT YARD WALL, SETBACKS AND REQUIREMENTS. 
          THIS IS A MORE ACCURATE SITE PLAN IN GREEN IS THE NEW PROPOSED LANDSCAPING. 
          SOME OF IT'S THERE, BUT THIS IS GOING TO BE GOING TO BE CONSIDERED THE NEW FRONT YARD OF SIX PER TWO EAST FRANCISQUITO. 
          AND A GRAY WE HAVE IS THE NEW PROPOSED DRIVEWAY, WHICH IS WHY THE TWO PROPOSED TREES NEED TO BE REMOVED. 
          UM, AND YELLOW IS THE NEW HOME AFTER IT'S BEEN REDUCED AND IN BLUE IS THE EXISTING DETACHED THREE CAR GARAGE. 
          IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ALTERED. 
          UH, THE NEW PROPOSED HOME IS GOING TO BE ON 1,574 SQUARE FEET. 
          SO THIS IS THE WEST, UM, ELEVATION. 
          AND I'VE ONLY SHOWED FOR THIS SLIDE, THE ELEVATIONS THAT IS RELEVANT TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE FOR DESIGN REVIEW, CAUSE THE ONLY REVIEW, UM, ELEVATIONS THAT ARE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET, THE REST OF THE ELEVATIONS AS PART OF THE ENTIRE PLANS THAT WERE SUBMITTED TO YOU INDICATED IN RED HERE IS THE NEW BRICK THAT'S GOING TO BE ADDED. 
          THAT IS A REQUIREMENT OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE FOR A DESIGNER VIEW TO HAVE SOME SORT OF ALTERNATE MATERIAL OTHER THAN STUCCO FOR, FOR HOMES THAT ARE I REVIEWED UNDER YOU UNDER THE SUBCOMMITTEE. 
          WE ALSO REQUIRED THEM TO PUT TWO NEW WINDOWS ON THIS ELEVATION BECAUSE CURRENTLY THERE ISN'T ANY, AS THIS IS GOING TO BE THE NEW FRONT ELEVATION VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. 
          AND WE WANTED A WINDOWS TO LOOK MORE APPEALING AND TO INDICATE THAT THAT IS THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE FOR THE SECOND PROPERTY, 7 0 4 EAST FRANCISQUITO INDICATE RED IS THE REMOVAL OF THE SAME THING, A BLOCK WALL, A SECTION OF A BLOCK WALL ON AN EXISTING CHANNELING FENCE. 
          UH, THESE TWO TREES ARE GOING TO BE REMOVED FOR THE SAME REASON AS WELL FOR THE PROPOSAL OF THE NEW DRIVEWAY IN GREEN, WE HAVE THE NEW LANDSCAPING IN GRAY, THE NEW DRIVEWAY IN ORANGE, THE NEW REDUCED HOME, AND THEN BLUE. 
          UM, ALTHOUGH THERE'S AN EXISTING TWO CAR GARAGE, IT HAS TO BE ONLY REALLY ONE WALL IS GOING TO REMAIN AND THE REST IS GOING TO BE ALTERED TO MEET OUR SETBACKS. 
          SO PRACTICALLY THAT GARAGE IS GOING TO BE BRAND NEW AS WELL. 
          AND THAT'S A TWO CAR GARAGE. 
          SO THIS HOME IS GOING TO BE 2,222 SQUARE FEET AS A PREVIOUS PROPERTY. 
          THIS IS THE EAST SIDE ELEVATION. 
          THEN THIS IS THE ONLY ELEVATION THAT'S GOING TO BE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. 
          AND THIS HOUSE ACTUALLY HAS EXISTING BRICK VENEER. 
          AND WE REQUIRING THAT THEY, UM, ADD THAT BRICKMAN NEAR TO THEIR NEW FRONT AREA AS WELL. 
          UM, TABLE THAT YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE IS, UM, SHOWING YOU THE CITY'S REQUIREMENTS FOR ANY YEAH. 
          WITHIN THAT AREA DISTRICT. 
          AND YEAH, IT'S INDICATING THAT WITH THE NEW PROPOSED SUBDIVISIONS, IT WILL MEET ALL THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR DEPTH WITH AN MINIMUM. 
          THE LOT SIZE STUFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL FOR A TINTED CHAP MAP, 1801 AND THE MITIGATED NEG DEC, AND ALSO TO APPROVE SUBCOMMITTEE FOR DESIGN REVIEW 21 DASH 46 AND 21 DASH 47, AS WELL AS TREE REMOVAL PERMIT 21 DASH OH NINE AND 2110. 
          THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HERE TO ANSWER THEM. 
          AND THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE. 
          SHOULD YOU HAVE ANY QUESTION FOR THEM AS WELL AT THIS TIME WE'LL OPEN PUBLIC HEARING. 
          IS THE APPLICANT HERE? WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME FORWARD? DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING, EVERYONE? UM, UH, I'M KEVIN AND I'M THE PROJECT MANAGER, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU. 
          YOU THINK YOU CAN SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE. 
          I'M LAMB, I'M THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR TDK MARSH INVESTMENT. 
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AND I WOULD SEE, AND THE FURIOUS MEETING I WAS HERE AND THEN THE COMMISSION, UM, ASK, ASK US TO PROVIDE MORE DETAIL ON THE, UH, COVERING, UM, HOW'S THAT HOW WE GOING TO DO THE DRIVEWAY AND HOW IT'S GOING TO BE DEMOLISHED. 
          AND WE WORK WITH THE CITY STAFF AND WE PROVIDE ALL THE INFORMATION THAT TOOK US ALMOST THREE MONTHS TO COMPLETE. 
          AND WE HERE RIGHT NOW AND WE ASKING YOU TO, UM, PLEASE, UH, LOOK AT THE, UH, REQUIREMENT THAT WE ALL MET AND, UH, CONSIDER THAT THE, UH, THE THING THAT WE HAVE DONE SO FAR. 
          AND, UH, I REALLY APPRECIATE, UM, UM, MY TIME TO BE HERE AND, UH, YOU KNOW, PRESENT THIS PROJECT. 
          YEAH. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTION I CAN. 
          AND SO I'M HERE. 
          I THINK, I THINK MY, MY ONLY QUESTION THAT I HAD WAS PERTAINING TO THE 7 0 4 PROPERTY AND JUST IT'S HONESTLY, IT'S, IT'S, UH, THAT THE EXISTING HOUSE ON, ON, ON THAT OPPORTUNITY IS, IS JUST AN UNFORTUNATE LOCATION IN TERMS OF HOW IT'S ORIENTED. 
          I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S SORT OF OFF TO THE SIDE AND EFFECTIVELY, UM, UH, EFFECTIVELY HOW IT'S GOING TO BE REDONE. 
          IT'S IT'S NOT REALLY GOING TO HAVE A FRONT YARD. 
          IT'S NOT REALLY GOING TO HAVE A BACKYARD. 
          IT'S SORT OF GOING TO HAVE THIS SORT OF CORNER YARD. 
          AND IT'S, I, I DON'T KNOW, FROM, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IT, IT LOOKS VERY MUCH LIKE AN AFTERTHOUGHT. 
          UM, AND I, AND I GUESS, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, UM, I, I THINK FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I, I I'D LIKE TO SEE YOUR PROJECT GO THROUGH. 
          I I'M JUST, I REALLY SEE THE ISSUE WITH THAT HOUSE AND, AND WHOEVER ULTIMATELY OWNS THAT HOUSE IS GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS VERY ODDLY LOCATED HOME. 
          AND I, I, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE COMING TO IT, SO I GUESS, YOU KNOW, WILLING BUYER WILLING SELLER, BUT I JUST THINK THAT IF, IF WE'RE GOING INTO THIS AND, AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE CONDONING THIS, UM, THAT, THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN ABOUT IT. 
          UM, I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT RED SPOT IS CUT OFF. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, MY, MY, MY QUESTION IS I, I JUST DON'T, I GUESS I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THE ORIENTATION OF THAT, OF THAT HOUSE ON THAT PROPERTY, PARTICULARLY IF IT'S GOING TO BE MAINTAINED THERE. 
          I, FRANKLY, I KIND OF WISH YOU WOULD JUST START OVER ON THAT, ON THAT PROPERTY. 
          AND THEN THIS WOULD BE A NO BRAINER. 
          UM, BUT FROM, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES I SEE IS, IS JUST HOW THAT, IT, IT JUST, IT DOESN'T HAVE A BACKYARD. 
          IT DOESN'T REALLY HAVE A FRONT YARD, AND IT'S JUST SORT OF A VERY ODDLY LOCATED HOME. 
          UH, AND THAT'S MY ISSUE WITH IT. 
          AND MAN, AND SO YOU GO AHEAD, PLEASE. 
          SO LAST FIVE AND LOST SIX. 
          UM, I BELIEVE, UH, ONCE WE CUT OFF THE, UH, THE, THE RED AREA, UH, THOSE, THOSE HOUSE WILL HAVE A FRONT LOT IN THE BACK YARD TOO. 
          AND IT'S REALLY BIG. 
          THE, THE LOT OF THAT, THAT THOSE TWO HOUSES, THEY ALL OVER 20,000 SQUARE FEET. 
          AND IT MAY LOOK SMALL RIGHT NOW FROM OUR, YOU KNOW, UH, THROUGH A DRAWING AND WHATEVER IS UP THERE, IT'S LOOK SMALL, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S REALLY BIG FOR A 20,000 SQUARE FEET LOT. 
          AND THE YARD, THE 25 FEET IN FRONT YARD AND THE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 30 TO 40 SQUARE FEET OF, UH, I MEAN, UH, FEET UP THE BACK YARD, THAT'S NOT TOO MANY HOUSES IN WEST COVINA HAVE IT. 
          AND, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE HOME THE LOT AND THE FIVE, SIX, UH, IN THE CENTER POSITION, BUT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIME WE HAVE TO WORK WITH IT AND TO, TO GET TO THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT BY THE CITY. 
          SO THAT'S HOW, THE, HOW, HOW ARE WE, WHERE'S THE GARAGE GARAGE FOR LOT, NUMBER SIX, NUMBER SIX, IT'S RIGHT HERE IN THIS SECTION, THE TWO EXISTING TWO CAR GARAGE, IT'S GOING TO BE ALTERED TO, TO MEET SETBACKS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT WILL, WILL BE GONE. 
          AND WHERE WILL IT BE REPLACED THAT? SO IT'S, IT'S, THEY'RE LITERALLY MOVING THE WALLS FIVE FEET SOUTH. 
          SO THE STRUCTURE IS GOING TO BE RELATIVELY IN THE SAME LOCATION, BUT THE WALLS ARE GOING TO BE MOVED FIVE FEET. 
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WELL, IN ORDER TO MAKE IT OKAY. 
          SO WHERE'S THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE EXISTING. 
          THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE IS, IS, IS RIGHT HERE NEAR THIS, THIS, THIS U-TURN. 
          UM, BUT THE NEW FRONT YARD, THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE IS GOING TO BE RIGHT HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO MAYBE WE CAN SUGGEST TO PUT THAT GARAGE TO THE RIGHT OF THE HOUSE. 
          SO IT AT LEAST CENTRALIZES IT. 
          WHERE'S THE GARAGE GOING? UM, LET ME SHOW YOU THE SITE PLAN. 
          SO THIS IS THE NEW LOT SIZE. 
          THIS IS THE NEW PROPOSED HOME, AND THEN THIS IS THE NEW REMODELED, UM, TWO CAR GARAGE TO THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY. 
          SO LET ME, IS THAT LOT SIX? YES, THIS IS LOT SIX. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THEY'RE GOING TO BECOME REVERSED AGAIN. 
          I'M SIX, THAT'S A LOT SIX AUNTS DOWN THERE. 
          SO IT'S GOT, SO IT HAS ITS OWN SEAT FROM THE SIDE ON THE LEFT. 
          THE GARAGE RIGHT NOW IS IN THE BACK. 
          THE FRONT IS BEING CUT OFF FOR A MORE OF A FRONT YARD. 
          HOW ABOUT THAT GARAGE? THAT'S IN THE BACK, IF YOU TO MOVE IT TO THE RIGHT OF THE HOUSE TOO, TO MAKE IT LOOK CENTERED. 
          AND JUST, JUST MAY I ADDRESS THAT, UH, ACTUALLY THAT LOT, NUMBER SIX, THE GARAGE, THE RED AREA, ACTUALLY THE GARAGE IS AN OVERSIZED GARAGE ACTUALLY. 
          AND THAT PARK BEING CUT UP RIGHT NOW HAS A KITCHEN AND THE BATHROOM THAT WAS PERMITTED BY THE CITY. 
          UH, SO NOW WE JUST HAVE TO BE MODEST THAT SECTION OF THE GARAGE, THE KITCHEN, AND THE BATHROOM RIGHT THERE. 
          SO THE, THE, THE GARAGE WOULD BE, UM, MOVEMENT THE SETBACK. 
          SO WE DON'T HAVE TO LITERALLY, YOU KNOW, MOVE THE GARAGE FOR ME AND PUT IT RIGHT THERE. 
          NO, THIS LIKE ONLY, YOU KNOW, THE MODERNIST DID A SECTION ABOUT FIVE, FIVE FEET. 
          SO WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH ROOM FOR THE SIZE SETBACK. 
          CAN YOU PUT THE PLAN BACK IN? UM, THOSE ARE BIG LOTS. 
          IF YOU LOOK ON ZILLOW AND THE REAL ESTATE WEBSITE, AND YOU COULD SEE THAT THE AVERAGE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO LEVY HOME IS ABOUT 9,000 SQUARE FEET WITH THE LAND. 
          SO LET ME TRY TO UNDERSTAND THIS. 
          CURRENTLY THE BLUE SECTION IS THE SMALLER VERSION OF THE GARAGE, BUT THE EXISTING GARAGE IS A LITTLE BIT BIGGER, BASICALLY TOUCH THE PROPERTY LINE TO THE SIDE, BUT JUST ON TOP. 
          SO YOU'RE NOT REALLY DOING ANYTHING TO THE GARAGE PER SE, BY, BUT MAKING IT A LITTLE BIT SMALLER BECAUSE IT'S OVERSIZED RIGHT NOW SO THAT WE CAN STILL HAVE THE FIVE FEET SETBACK FROM THE SIDE. 
          AND IT'S AN EXISTING GARAGE. 
          JUST AN EXISTING GARAGE. 
          YES. 
          SO YOU WOULD HAVE THE DRIVEWAY COME ALONG THE BACK OR THEY CAN PARK IN THEIR GARAGE? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          ACTUALLY THE ORIENTATION RIGHT NOW, UH, THE CURRENT ORIENTATION IS THAT, UH, THE, THE CAR COMING IN AND THEY HAVE TO MAKE A U-TURN AND TWO INTO THE GARAGE, UH, WITH THE NEW PROPOSAL THAT THE CAR COME INTO THIS WAY AND JUST MAKE THE RIGHT TURN INTO IT'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, JUST THE RIGHT ORIENTATION WITH THE NEW, THE NEW LOT THAT WE PROPOSED. 
          ANYONE HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? NOPE. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYONE, UH, FOR THE PROJECT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO ANYONE OPPOSED SOMEONE THERE, IF YOU COULD KINDLY FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD WHEN YOU'RE DONE? UH, YES. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          RACHEL ORTIZ. 
          UM, I'D LIKE TO SAY A LOT THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SIX. 
          I LIVE RIGHT BEHIND IT. 
          SO I JUST NEED TO KNOW HOW IT'S GOING TO IMPACT MY HOUSE, BECAUSE DEPENDING ON 
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THAT DRIVEWAY, THAT THEY'RE MAKING ROOM FOR IT. 
          HOW, HOW CLOSE IS IT GOING TO BE TO MY BACKYARD OR TO THE SIDE OF MY HOUSE RIGHT NOW? THERE'S A BIG, I MEAN, THAT'S LIKE YOU SAID, THAT LOT IS HUGE. 
          AND SO IS THEIR BACKYARD IS, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY FEET FROM MY HOUSE, BUT NOW WITH THAT REMODEL PLACE, IT'S, IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT CLOSER AND WE DON'T WANT TO BE HEARING CARS COMING IN AND CARS GOING OUT BECAUSE WE DON'T HEAR THAT NOW. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S OKAY. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          UM, WHAT'S CURRENTLY SEPARATING YOUR HOUSE FROM THEIR HOUSE. 
          IS THERE A WALL THERE OR A CHAIN-LINK FENCE? OKAY. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          YOUR NAME IS FOLKS, BUT IT'S THEIR BACKYARD. 
          THERE'S NO DRIVEWAY CARS GOING BY GOING THROUGH YOUR NAME IS RACHEL. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND YOU'RE OPPOSED TO IT? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          I MEAN, DEPENDING HOW CLOSE IT'S GOING TO BE TO OUR YOU DON'T AREA. 
          OKAY. 
          LET'S ANSWER THAT QUESTION. 
          CAN YOU, UM, ON THAT MAP RIGHT THERE FROM THE DRIVEWAY, THAT GRASS SECTION IS HOW MANY FEET IS IT? I CAN'T SCALE IT. 
          YEAH. 
          ON THIS COMPUTER. 
          I WOULD HAVE TO SCALE IT ON THE PLAN. 
          SO IF YOU JUST GIVE ME ONE MINUTE, SO JOANNE'S LANCE, RACHEL, RACHEL, I'M SORRY. 
          ARE YOU ACROSS THE STREET FROM THERE OR RIGHT BEHIND WHILE I'M RIGHT BEHIND. 
          SO YOU'RE ON THE BEHIND. 
          CAN YOU SHOW ME THE MAP THAT HAS ALL THE BREAKUP SEE THE GREEN GRASS RIGHT HERE. 
          IT'S RIGHT UNDER IT. 
          THAT'S HER HOUSE, I BELIEVE. 
          CAN YOU SHOW ME THE PARCEL MAP WHERE ALL THE NEW POG PROPOSAL PARCELS. 
          SO I THINK THAT PROPOSAL IS THIS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOU'RE ON THE LEFT OF LOT FIVE, NO MURMUR SIX. 
          OH, I SEE IT NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          WHERE YOU'RE BEHIND. 
          OKAY. 
          SOON YOU'RE BEHIND A LOT. 
          SIX. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU HAVE A POOL, RIGHT? OKAY, PERFECT. 
          I FELL ON YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          NOW SHOW ME THE OTHER MAP AGAIN. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          SHOW ME THE LOT SIX CHANGE. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          I SEE IT NOW. 
          SO WE'RE GOING TO, SO THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE THE DRY RATE TO THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE HOUSE. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          NOW I HAVE A QUESTION, UH, WHICH IMPLYING NOTHING, BUT LET'S JUST SAY THE OCCUPANT WAS ROLLING TO PART MAYBE A SOLID WALL THERE, OR MAYBE A, MAYBE A WALL. 
          THEN YOU CAN MEET YOUR AGREE ON. 
          UH, AND THE COMMISSION WAS TO RECOMMEND THAT PART OF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. 
          DO YOU THINK A SOLID WALL AND MAYBE SOME CYPRESS TREES THAT ACTUALLY GIVE YOU PRIVACY WILL BE BENEFICIAL. 
          THOSE ARE THE TALL TREES ARE GREEN AND BEAUTIFUL. 
          I ALREADY CALLED CYPRUS. 
          DO YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT'S THAT TREE CALL CYPRUS TREES. 
          YEAH. 
          CYPRESS TREES ARE THE BEAUTIFUL GREEN TREES. 
          AND WHEN THEY'RE COMBINED, IT CREATES A SOLID PRIVACY WALL FOR YOU. 
          AND THEN, AND THEN MAYBE THE APPLICANT WILL BE WILLING TO, UH, MAKE A SOLID WALL INSTEAD OF A CHAIN LINK FENCE. 
          YOU'RE DOING THAT. 
          SOMETHING THAT IF WE WERE TO CONSIDER THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL BE BENEFICIAL TO YOU. 
          YEAH. 
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OKAY, PERFECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I KNOW A SOLID WALL WILL ACTUALLY ELIMINATE A LOT OF NOISE FOR SURE. 
          YEAH. 
          ESPECIALLY WITH THE GREENERY. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NOTHING. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          JUST TO CLARIFY, I'M NOT SO CONDITIONED THAT WE CANNOT ADD TO THE APPLICATION FOR THE, UM, TRACK MAP. 
          I WAS JUST A GENERAL QUESTION. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I WILL LIKE TO ASK THE APPLICANT IF HE'S WILLING TO DO THAT ON HIS OWN WHERE CONGRESS, I MEAN HIS OWN WILLINGNESS, IF HE'S WILLING TO DO THAT. 
          SO I BELIEVE THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE TAKEN THAT COULD BE ACCOMPLISHED THIS A COMMITTEE REVIEW WHEN THE APPLICATION IS PRESENTED TO THEM PAULINA TO TWEAK IT A NUMBER ON THE SCORE ON THE FOOTAGE. 
          JOANNE. 
          SO JUST TO CLARIFY, WE BREAK, WE'RE JUST VOTING ON PARCELS RIGHT NOW. 
          YES. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO THERE'LL BE ANOTHER TIME WHEN HE WOULD COME BACK FOR THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION. 
          NO. 
          SO, UM, BEFORE YOU, TONIGHT IS THE SUBDIVISION CHUCK MAP TO SUBDIVIDE THE PARCELS INTO THE SIX SLOTS. 
          UM, AS PART OF A REQUEST BY THE COMMISSIONERS WAS TO SEE HOW THOSE TWO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ARE GOING TO BE IMPACTED BY THE AREAS THEY HAD TO BE DEMOLISHED. 
          AND SO, UM, SO ARE WE VOTING FOR D TWO D MONISH STUFF AND BUILD STUFF? OR ARE WE JUST VOTING FOR PARCEL MAPS OR SOMEONE TO, TO CLARIFY THE, THE SUBCOMMITTEE DESIGN REVIEW IS PART OF THE APPLICATION PACKET. 
          SO THAT IS ALSO SUBJECT TO FUNDING COMMISSION REVIEW. 
          HOWEVER, THE SUBCOMMITTEE DESIGN REVIEW ONLY TAKES INTO ACCOUNT HOW, HOW THE PROP, HOW THE PROJECT IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE AS SEEN FROM THE STREET. 
          SO I'M JUST WANTING TO CLARIFY IF I WAS TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. 
          I MEAN, ASK THE APPLICANT FOR A THING LIKE THAT THIS PROJECT WILL BE BROUGHT TO US BACK EVENTUALLY, RIGHT? NO, NO, NO. 
          SO WE'RE VOTING ON THEM DEMOLISHING AND REDOING THEIR PARKING LOT. 
          THAT'S A CONDITION, A CONDITIONAL, A CONDITION OF THEIR APPROVAL THAT THEY HAVE TO DEMOLISH IT PART OF THIS. 
          SO WHY COULDN'T I ASKED APPLICANT THE PART OF THAT CONDITION THAT A, A SOLID WALL GOES UP IF, IF THEY'RE REDOING THEIR WHOLE DRIVEWAY, UM, THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL TO DEMOLISH PORTIONS OF THE PROPERTY, THERE IS AN EXCESS TO THE TRACK, TO THE TRACK MAP APPROVAL BECAUSE THEIR CURRENT STRUCTURE CROSSES THE PROPERTY LINES. 
          HOWEVER, THERE WOULD BE NO NEXUS TO THE TRACK THEM UP APPROVAL TO REQUIRE, UM, IF IT IS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO REQUIRE, UH, UH, A WALL OR OUR LANDSCAPING, BUT YOU'RE SAYING WE'RE KIND OF CRAMPING EVERYTHING INTO ONE AND AT THE INSTITUTE ONE SEC. 
          SO WE CAN ACTUALLY THE PROJECT TO SUBDIVIDES SIX. 
          HOWEVER, WE CANNOT ASK FOR A WALL TO BE BUILT. 
          IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO TELL US? UM, UM, THE PROBLEM, THIS IS THAT TENTATIVE TRACK MAP, UM, TENTATIVE TRACK MAP IS UP TO IS IT'S ENTITLEMENT. 
          IT CAN BE DENIED OR APPROVED. 
          HOWEVER, IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE DENYING THE TENTATIVE TRACK MAP, YOU CAN ONLY, YOU SHOULD ONLY BE DENYING IT BASED ON WHETHER OR NOT IT COMPLIES WITH, WITH CITY STANDARDS. 
          SO YOU CAN'T DENY IT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T CONDITION IT TO, FOR THEM TO PUT A WALL UP. 
          SO CITY ATTORNEY DOES THE LAW SAY THE PLANNING COMMISSION CANNOT RECOMMEND A WALL. 
          UM, YOU HAVE, UM, I AM UNFAMILIAR WITH THAT LAW. 
          SO IS THERE A LOT OF STAYS THAT WE CAN AS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE RE MOVING THEIR DRY RATE COMPLETELY TO THE OPPOSITE SIDE AND REDOING THEIR HOME, THEY'RE TECHNICALLY ASKING THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO APPROVE THE REDESIGN OF THEIR HOME AT THE SAME TIME OF APPROVING PARCEL. 
          SO WHY COULDN'T WE ASS OR WHY COULDN'T I COULDN'T MAKE, WHY CAN'T I MAKE A MOTION THAT PART OF THEIR CONDITIONAL B THAT THEY BUILD A SOLID WALL WITH CYPRESS TREES. 
          SO WHAT'S YOUR WHAT'S BEFORE YOU IS A, UM, SUBDIVISION MAP. 
          AND SO YOU HAVE TO NOT ONLY FOLLOW THE, THE MUNICIPAL CODE REGARDING THE DESIGN, THE GUIDELINES FOR THE SUBDIVISION MACK, YOU ALSO HAVE TO FOLLOW THE SUBDIVISION MAP BACK. 
          SO WHAT THEN TIES YOU INTO WHERE'S THE NEXUS TO REQUIRE THE ROLE? BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A SUBDIVISION, IT'S ONLY DRAWING LINES AND CREATING LEGAL DESCRIPTIONS. 
          SO THAT'S, WHAT'S LIMITING. 
          SO YOU'RE VERY, VERY LIMITED ON WHAT CONDITIONS YOU CAN IMPOSE ON A SUBDIVISION MAP AND THAT'S PER THE SUBDIVISION MAP BACK. 
          OKAY. 
          OH YEAH. 
          SO I UNDERSTAND THE PARTIAL SEPARATION, BUT WHY ARE WE COMBINING THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE HOME AT THE SAME TIME? SO THE, THE SECOND ISSUE IS BECAUSE CERTAIN 
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TWO EXISTING, UM, RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES ARE NOW ARE CROSSING PROP NEW PROPERTY LINES, WHICH SUBDIVISION MAP ACT DOES NOT ALLOW. 
          AND PROBABLY THE MUNICIPAL CODE DOESN'T ALLOW. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE A BUILDING STRADDLING PROPERTY LINES. 
          UM, SO, SO IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH THAT ASPECT OF THE SUBDIVISION MAP BACK, YOU HAVE TO DEMOLISH A PORTION TO MOVE THAT THOSE STRUCTURES AWAY, TO COMPLY WITH THE DIFFERENT SETBACK AND TO, TO BE ABLE TO CREATE THE, UM, TREAT THE LINES A LOT LINES. 
          SO, SO WHAT HAPPENS IF THE APPLICANTS ARE WILLING TO ALLOW THAT CONDITION OF APPROVAL? I MEAN, THAT CONDITION TO BE OF THEIR APPROVAL. 
          SO, AND, AND IF THEY WERE TO CHANGE THEIR MIND AND IT HAS TO COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S, IT'S USUALLY BECAUSE IT'S NOT TIED TO, IT'S HARD TO GET IT TO BE TIED TO IT. 
          YOU CAN GET THEM TO SAY, YEAH, I'M WILLING TO DO THAT. 
          I WAS GOING TO DO THAT ANYWAY. 
          UM, BUT YOU CAN'T MAKE IT AS A CONDITION. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO YOU CAN'T, IF THEY DECIDE NOT TO DO IT, YOU CAN'T ENFORCE THEM TO DO IT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T MAKE IT AS A CONDITION. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR MUNICIPAL CODE SAYS ABOUT WALLS AND FENCES AND WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO IN CONNECTION BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINES. 
          SO YOU MAY ALREADY BE COVERED THAT WAY IF, IF BETWEEN NOW THAT YOU'VE CREATED A DIFFERENT, UH, LINE. 
          SO IT IS THAT NOW THE FRONT YARD SIDE YARD, THAT'S NOT A GOOD HAVE TO LOOK IT UP REAL QUICK. 
          I REFER TO THE PLANNING STUFF, AS FAR AS ANOTHER MECHANISM THAT ALREADY EXISTS TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. 
          ACTUALLY, MAY I ADD SOMETHING? UM, I, I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE, BUT I THINK IN THE CITY OF WEST COVINA, WHEN YOU'RE BUILDING NEW HOME, THEY MAY ASK FOR A NEW BLOCK WALL. 
          I DON'T THINK CHAIN LINK FENCE IS ALLOWED ANYMORE, BUT THAT'S, I, I, LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE. 
          JOANNE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN, PERHAPS WE CAN REVISIT THIS LATER, BUT I DO WANT TO GO BACK TO THE GOOGLE MAP EARLIER. 
          UM, CAN YOU PULL THAT GOOGLE MAP OUT? WE'VE GOT IN THE STREETS AND THE NEIGHBORS, UM, DRIVEWAY. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO LET ME TRY TO UNDERSTAND THIS. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO FROM THE DRIVEWAY TO THE RESIDENT'S HOME, IT'S, UH, TO THE, TO THE PROPERTY LINE NEXT TO THE RESIDENCE HOME, IT'S ABOUT 40 FEET AWAY. 
          AND THEN THE DRY ON TOP OF THE, IS THAT JUST A GREEN AREA OR THE DRIVEWAY AND THE GREEN AREA IS BODY. 
          SO JUST THE LANDSCAPING AREA IS 40 FEET PLUS THE DRIVEWAY, WHICH IS HOW, HOW MANY FEET IS THAT? IT LOOKS LIKE ABOUT ANOTHER 18 FEET. 
          SO 40 PLUS ABOUT 18. 
          SO YOU'LL TALK TO ME ABOUT, ABOUT 60 FEET OR SO AWAY FROM THE HOUSE. 
          HOWEVER, IF YOU LOOK ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE CURRENT RESIDENT AND THE RESIDENT AND THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY IS ABOUT, I'M JUST GUESSING, UM, THE HOMEOWNER MAY KNOW, IT LOOKS ABOUT POSSIBLY 15 FEET AND THE RIGHT DOWN THE SOUTH FOR THE DOWN RIGHT THERE. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO CAN YOU MEASURE THE NEIGHBOR'S DRIVEWAY RIGHT NOW TO THE OTHER NEIGHBOR'S DRIVEWAY, WHICH JUST THE THIRD HOUSE. 
          SO WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT 15 FEET, ANOTHER 15 FEET. 
          SO IT'S ABOUT 30 FEET AWAY FROM EACH DRIVEWAYS IS ABOUT 30 FEET AWAY FROM EACH OTHER'S HOUSE. 
          SO YOU HAVE, THAT'S STILL, BASICALLY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HOUSE, THEY DO HAVE 40 FEET PLUS THE DRIVEWAY, WHICH IS ANOTHER 18 FEET OR SO VERSUS THE EXISTING ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY. 
          THEY HAVE ABOUT 30 FEET FROM THE HOUSE BETWEEN THOSE TWO HOUSE ON THE SELF, FROM THE, FROM THE HA THE PROPERTY, THE HOME TO THE HOME, AND THEN THE DRIVEWAYS IN BETWEEN. 
          YEAH. 
          THERE'S A BLACK CAR RIGHT THERE. 
          AND THEN TO THE NEXT, UH, THE NEXT HOUSE SOUTH. 
          SO THAT, THAT IS ABOUT, YOU'D SAY ABOUT 30 FEET, 
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THOSE TWO JOBS. 
          I DON'T THESE TWO DRIVEWAYS RIGHT HERE. 
          YES. 
          THERE ARE INDIVIDUAL DRIVEWAYS. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          BUT THE DISTANCE IS ABOUT, I JUST WANTED TO SEE HOW FAR FROM THE HOUSE IS THAT. 
          SO WE'RE LOOKING ABOUT POSSIBLY ABOUT 30 FEET FROM EACH OTHER, THE HOUSE. 
          OH, THESE TWO HOMES. 
          YES. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          CAN YOU DO A MEASUREMENT? THANK YOU. 
          25, 26. 
          SO 25, 26. 
          SO ON THE OTHER SIDE, THEY HAVE A GOOD 40 FEET OF GRASS AREA. 
          AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, YOU HAVE ANOTHER 18 FEET OF CONCRETE DRIVEWAY AREA. 
          SO I TOLD HER ABOUT 60 FEET FROM THE EXISTING HOUSE TO THE SOUTH. 
          IS THAT, IS THAT ACCURATE? SO THERE'S PLENTY OF SPACE IN BETWEEN, SORRY. 
          UH, IF I W SO IF, UH, IF WE WERE TO, UM, ASKED HER, IF I WAS,  BROUGHT BACK TO ALLOW THE HOMEOWNER AND THE, AND THE, AND THE, AND THE NEIGHBOR, THE ADJACENT NEIGHBOR TO WORK OUT SOME SORT OF AGREEMENT, WHAT TIME OF OUR NEXT MEETING IS THAT SOMETHING I COULD, UH, IS ALLOWED TO BE MOTION? I THINK THE GENTLEMEN ALREADY WAITED THREE MONTHS. 
          LET'S TRY TO MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT, RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          I HAVE TO DIVIDE THE PROPERTIES. 
          YOU'RE GOING TO PROBABLY HAVE A FENCE THERE, CORRECT. 
          BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES. 
          CAN WE OPEN UP? OKAY. 
          IS A PUBLIC COMMON STILL OPEN OR WERE YOU STILL OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? WELL, WE HAVE IT JUST LIKE, ASK HIM A QUESTION. 
          DO YOU WANT TO STILL FORWARD? THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          I GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU. 
          UM, AND, UM, I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS A AND NO WAY ARE WE I'M IMPLYING OR FORCING YOU TO DO SOMETHING, BUT I'M JUST ASKING. 
          IS, ARE YOU WILLING TO WORK IT OUT WITH THE NEIGHBOR TO BUILD A BRICK WALL AND, AND MAKE AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN YOU BOTH? UH, YES. 
          TO MAKE THINGS GOOD? YES. 
          ACTUALLY ON THE LAST MEETING, I, WHEN I MET WITH A NEIGHBOR, I TOLD HER THAT NOW WE WILLING TO DO, UH, TAKE OUT THE CHAIN-LINK FENCE AND PUT IN THE, UM, THE BLOCK WALL. 
          AND WE PURPOSELY, WE WILLING TO DO THAT. 
          BUT WHAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, THE STEP ONE TO PUT IN THE CONDITION OR NOT, WE'RE STILL WILLING TO DO THAT, TO MAKE THE NEIGHBORS HAPPY. 
          AND ACTUALLY IT'S GOOD FOR OUR HOUSE TOO, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE CHANNELING IS SOMETHING WE DON'T LIKE, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A BLOCK WALL, BUT WE NEED A PERMIT FOR BLOCK WALL, YOU KNOW, THOSE THINGS, YOU KNOW, SO WE A HUNDRED PERCENT FOR IT. 
          GREAT. 
          THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT ANSWERED MY QUESTION AS WELL. 
          SO, SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE, UH, OH, YOU WANT TO CLOSE FROM THE COMMON FIRST THAT'S PUBLIC HEARING. 
          DOES ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? YEAH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. 
          UM, THIS IS NUMBER TWO, RIGHT? OKAY. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE TENTATIVE TRACK MAP NUMBER ONE EIGHT DASH ZERO ONE, A P A T T M 7 4 9 7 6 SUB SUB COMMITTEE FOR DESIGN REVIEW NUMBER 21 DASH 46 AND 21 DASH 47. 
          THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT NUMBER 21 DASH ZERO NINE AND 21 DASH 10. 
          AND THE MIND MIGHT DEGRADE IT NEGATIVE DECORATION OF AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, UH, FOR APPLICANT T D K MARSH INVESTMENT, LLC. 
          I'LL SECOND THAT, UM, AND I ALSO LIKE TO ADD THAT I LIKE THE, THE FACT THAT THE OWNER IS WILLING TO STEP IT UP AND TAKE CARE OF THE ISSUES BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORS WE GOT INTO THE BLOCK WALL. 
          AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU ARE GETTING SIX LOTS. 
          AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT TOO, TO REALLY MAKE THE NEIGHBORS, UM, YOU KNOW, HAPPY. 
          YOU REALLY ONLY HAVE TWO NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH, 
          [02:05:01]
SO THAT REALLY MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE. 
          UM, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE ADDING ONTO WEST COVINA. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. 
          THANK YOU FOR, UH, FULFILLING EVERYTHING THAT WE ASKED YOU AT THE LAST MEETING. 
          WE APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS. 
          OKAY. 
          I HAVE A MOTION. 
          I HAVE A, I HAVE A COMMENT I WANTED TO INTERJECT. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, THAT THAT'S BEING PROPOSED BY THIS MOTION IS THAT WE ARE WE'RE EFFECTIVELY. 
          IT SEEMS, IT SEEMS, UH, WAIVING THE, UH, SUBCOMMITTEE DESIGN REVIEW SUBCOMMITTEE PROCESS, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE TAKING PLACE YOU'RE TONIGHT. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I BROUGHT UP PREVIOUSLY, I HAD A CONCERN ABOUT HOW THAT PROPER OR HOW LOT SIX, PARTICULARLY THE FRONTAGE OF THE PROPERTY, UM, IS, IS DEALT WITH YOU. 
          YOU HAVE A, A VERY ODDLY SHAPED HOUSE THAT IS AWKWARDLY LOCATED ON THE LOT. 
          ULTIMATELY, I UNDERSTAND, UM, I UNDERSTAND THE DEVELOPER PROBABLY WANTS TO, WANTS TO SAVE THE MONEY THERE, UH, IN TERMS OF NOT HAVING TO WHOLESALE DEMO THIS HOUSE IN ORDER TO PUT, UH, A NEW DEVELOPMENT ON THERE. 
          THE, THE ISSUE THAT I SEE IS THAT FROM, FROM MY CHAIR, THIS HOUSE DOES NOT IN ANY WAY FIT INTO THE, THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONTEXTUALLY, WHICH IS ONE OF THE REQUIRED FINDINGS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE. 
          AND SO WHAT, WHAT I THINK WE COULD DO TO RECTIFY THAT IS INSTEAD OF HAVING THE GARAGE IN THE REAR AS IS PROPOSED, WE COULD REQUIRE THAT THE GARAGE BE PLACED, UH, OR ORIENTED. 
          UH, I BELIEVE IT WOULD BE TURNED 90 DEGREES TO THE LEFT AND THEN MOVED SUCH THAT IT IS IN THE, I WOULD SAY THE BOTTOM LEFT-HAND CORNER OF THE LOT AS ON THE, UH, THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION THERE, UM, SUCH THAT IT IS, IT IS DESIGNED IN CONGRUENCE WITH THE REST OF THE LOTS WHERE THE, WHERE THE, UH, THE GARAGE IS IN THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY, VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. 
          UM, LIKE EVERY OTHER HOUSE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I THINK THAT THAT IS CONTEXTUALLY IN LINE WITH, WITH, WITH WHAT'S ALREADY PRE-EXISTING IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND AGAIN, I THINK THE HOUSE IS GOING TO BE UTTERLY AWKWARD AND, UH, YOU KNOW, ASSUMING IT'S SOLD, I THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT GOING TO SELL FOR AS HIGH OF A VALUE, BUT WHO KNOWS IN THIS MARKET, I GUESS ANYTHING GOES FOR ANY AMOUNT OF MONEY. 
          BUT, UH, MY, MY, MY PERSPECTIVE IS I THINK THAT THAT SHOULD BE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL. 
          AND UNLESS THAT IS A CONDITION FOR APPROVAL, I WILL BE VOTING NO, UM, ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT BECAUSE OF THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE HAVE TWO MOTIONS ALREADY. 
          NOW, CAN YOU PULL? YES. 
          YES. 
          UM, I HAVE A MOTION AND SECONDED TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 20 WASH 21 DASH 6 0 7 5 AND RESOLUTION AT 21 DASH 6 0 7 FOR COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS. AYE. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER GUTIERREZ, UH, COMMISSIONER HANG, UH, VICE CHAIR LEWIS. 
          NOPE. 
          CHAIR FOR SARAH. 
          AYE. 
          UH, SHAM PASSES, UH, FOUR ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, FINAL ACTION TO THIS MATTER WILL BE TAKEN AT A PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL ON A DATE TO BE DETERMINED. 
          [4. CODE AMENDMENT NO. 20-04]
PAULINA'S THERE THERE'S ONE MORE ITEM WHO WILL BE PRESENTING THAT PLANNING MANAGER, JOANNE BURNS WILL PRESENT THE STAFF REPORT. 
          THAT IS ITEM NUMBER FOUR, CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          WE'LL BE CHECKING OUT. 
          I HAVE A, ANOTHER MEETING TO GO TO, SO THANK YOU GUYS. 
          SO GOOD EVENING AGAIN. 
          UM, CHAIR, CHAIR, VISCERA, AND ALSO MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE ITEM BEFORE YOU WAS INITIALLY CONSIDERED BY THE PREVIOUS PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, THEY'VE THEY HELD A STUDY SESSION ON, ON FEBRUARY 25TH. 
          [02:10:03]
SORRY. 
          THE ITEM, THE CODE AMENDMENT BEFORE YOU WAS, WAS INITIALLY CONSIDERED BY THE PREVIOUS PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, THROUGH WHICH THEY INITIALLY DISCUSSED IN A STUDY SESSION ON FEBRUARY 25TH, 2020, UM, AND, AND MEETINGS ON APRIL 28TH, 2020, AND ON JULY 24TH, 2020, THEY, THEY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE DRAFT ORDINANCE TO THE CITY COUNCIL, THE CITY COUNCIL THEN REVIEW THE DRAFT ORDINANCE AND FORWARDED THE ORDINANCE BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR REVISION. 
          UM, SINCE THEN THE CITY COUNCIL HAS THE MEMBERSHIP HAS CHANGED. 
          AND ALSO THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS MEMBERSHIP HAS CHANGED UP ON THE AUGUST 20 ON THE AUGUST 4TH, 2020 PLANNING, UM, CITY COUNCIL MEETING. 
          THE CITY COUNCIL DID NOT LIKE THE FACT THAT THERE WERE LIMITATIONS TO THE SIZE OF NON HABITABLE BONUS ROOMS WRITTEN IN THE ORDINANCE, AUDIBLE, NON HABITABLE BONUS ROOMS WRITTEN IN THE ORDINANCE. 
          AND WITH THE, WITH THAT, UM, ONE, ONE OF THE THINGS, ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT THE STAFF WOULD LIKE THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO CONSIDER CHANGING IS TO ELIMINATE THE NON LANGUAGE REGARDING NON HABITABLE BONUS ROOMS IN THE DRAFT ORDINANCE, THAT THE INITIAL, THE INITIAL INTENT OF CREATING STANDARDS FOR NON HABITAL BONUS ROOM IS TO ALLOW RECREATION ROOMS. SO THIS CAN EAT. 
          UM, AND BECAUSE THERE WAS A CONFUSION BETWEEN THE DIFF BETWEEN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NON HABITABLE BONUS ROOMS AND NON HABITABLE ACCESSORY BUILDINGS OR STRUCTURES FROM, FROM THE PUBLIC, WHEN THE ORDINANCE WAS PRESENTED INITIALLY, UM, TO ELIMINATE THAT, THAT CONFUSION AND TO MAKE IT MORE IN LINE WITH EACH OTHER, UM, STAFF IS PROPOSING THAT LANGUAGE REGARDING NON HABITABLE BONUS ROOMS BE ELIMINATED AND RECREATION ROOMS SIMPLY BE ADDED TO THE LIST OF EXAMPLES OF NON HABITABLE, ACCESSORY BUILDINGS, OR STRUCTURES. 
          ANOTHER CHANGE THAT STAFF IS PROPOSING. 
          THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO CONSIDER IS TO DELETE GARAGES FROM BEING INCLUDED IN THE MAXIMUM UNIT SIZE CALCULATION. 
          THIS HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP IN A PREVIOUS MEETING BY BOTH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          UM, WHEN, UH, CERTAIN CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION WAS BEING REVIEWED BY BOTH PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL. 
          UH, THE THIRD, UM, CHANGE THAT THE STAFF WOULD LIKE THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO CONSIDER IS TO INCREASE THE HEIGHT OF THE TAX GARAGES AND STORAGE SHEDS WITHIN THE REAR YARD. 
          THE REQUIRED VERY YARD IS 25 FEET FROM THE REAR, THE AREA WITHIN 25 FEET FROM THE REAR PROPERTY LINE. 
          AND WITHIN THE REAR YARD, THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS 15 FEET. 
          IF A STRUCTURE IS TALLER THAN 15 FEET, THIS THE REQUIRED SETBACK WOULD BE 20, 25 FEET FROM THE REAR PROPERTY LINE. 
          SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THIS BE CHANGED TO 20 FEET IN HEIGHT WITH THE DIRECTOR'S REVIEW, UM, WHICH ACCOUNTS BOARDS DETERMINATION THAT THE STRUCTURE IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREAS. 
          AND THE STRUCTURE IS, IS AT LEAST 10 FEET AWAY FROM A NEIGHBORING HOUSE. 
          AND ALSO AT LEAST 10 FEET AWAY FROM A NEIGHBORING POLE. 
          THE FOURTH, UM, CHANGE THAT THE STAFF WOULD LIKE THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO CONSIDER IS TO REDUCE THE SIDE AND REAR SETBACK REQUIREMENTS FOR GARAGES AND STORAGE SHEDS TO FOUR FEET. 
          THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH, UM, THE REQUIRED SETBACKS FOR FOUR 80 USE. 
          UM, UM, I'D LIKE TO GO OVER THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO, UM, THE PROPOSED CHANGES WRITTEN INTO CODE AMENDMENT THAT WAS INITIALLY REVIEWED BY BOTH THE PREVIOUS PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL AT THE EARLIER MEETINGS. 
          ONE, THE FIRST CHANGE WAS REQUIRING ONSITE PARKING FOR ADDITIONS GREATER THAN 30, I'M SORRY, 300 SQUARE FEET. 
          SO THIS WAS BROUGHT UP, UM, BECAUSE OF THE NEW ADU LAWS. 
          AND A LOT OF, UM, RESIDENTS ARE REQUESTING FOR GARAGES TO BE CONVERTED INTO ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS. 
          AND SO THEY WOULD NO LONGER HAVE GARAGES ON THEIR PROPERTY. 
          AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, THEY ARE ABLE TO ADD BEDROOMS, EXPAND 
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THEIR HOUSE WITHOUT HAVING THE GARAGE, EVEN IF IT IS REQUIRED IN THE CODE, BECAUSE THE CODE DOES NOT HAVE A TRIGGER STATING THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE GARAGE REQUIREMENT IF THEY ADD A SO-AND-SO SQUARE FEET. 
          SO IN, IN, IN THIS PROPOSAL, THAT 300 SQUARE SQUARE FEET WOULD BE THE TRIGGER TO REQUIRE A TWO CAR GARAGE ON THE PROPERTY. 
          UM, IF THEY ARE ADDING ONTO THE HOUSE, UH, A DEFINITION, UM, DEFINITION AND CHANGES TO THE DRIVEWAY AND MAXIMUM DRIVEWAY WITH HAS ALSO BEEN ADDED. 
          CURRENTLY, THE MAXIMUM DRIVEWAY WITH IS, IS THE WIDTH OF THE GARAGE, PLUS 12 FEET. 
          HOWEVER, IF SOMEBODY CONVERTS THEIR DRIVEWAY OR THEIR GARAGE INTO AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, THEN THERE WOULD NOT BE, UM, ESSENTIALLY THE CODE WOULD NOT ALLOW A DRIVEWAY. 
          AND IN, SO THEY STILL, THE PROPERTY OWNERS WHO CONVERT THE GARAGE INTO ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS STILL NEED AREA TO PARK THEIR VEHICLES. 
          SO THIS WOULD ALLOW DRIVE THE MAX THE MINIMUM DRIVEWAY WITH, TO BE 20 FEET, UM, OR THE MAXIMUM DRIVEWAY WOULD TO BE 20 FEET. 
          IF THERE IS NO GARAGE ON THE PROPERTY, 20 FEET, I'LL GO OVER THE LANGUAGE AND, UM, SHOW YOU THE LANGUAGE IN THE, IN THE OTHER SLIDE IS JUST A SUMMARY. 
          AND THEN THE THIRD LANGUAGE IS TO CLARIFY THE SECOND STORY SETBACKS, UM, ARE CLARIFY THE SECOND STORY SETBACK REQUIREMENT FOR HABITABLE STRUCTURES. 
          I'LL GO OVER, GO AHEAD AND GO OVER THAT IN DETAIL LATER ON. 
          SO THIS IS THE, THE LANGUAGE IS, IS WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY IN INCLUDED IN THE DRAFT ORDINANCE THAT WAS REVIEWED BY BOTH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL AT THE EARLIER MEETINGS, THE 300 SQUARE FEET IS THE TRIGGER TO REQUIRE HOMES TO HAVE GARAGES OR CARPORTS. 
          YES. 
          WHAT QUESTION DOES, DOES THIS POTENTIALLY, UH, TO THE EXTENT THAT THIS DEALS WITH ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS OR, OR DOES IT NOT, UM, IT'S, IT'S NOT OKAY. 
          SO IT DOES, IT DOES ADDRESS SOME ISSUES THAT, THAT ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS HAVE BROUGHT UP. 
          UH, HOWEVER, IT, IT, IT, IT'S NOT AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT SECTION, AND IT DOES NOT PERTAIN TO ALLOW WHETHER OR NOT IT DOES NOT ADDRESS WHETHER OR NOT CITY THE CITY WOULD ALLOW ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS BASED ON THESE CODE CHANGES. 
          BUT, UM, IT DOES, IT DOES ADDRESS ISSUES THAT ARE BROUGHT UP BY ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT. 
          AND SO, SO TO THE EXTENT THAT SOMEONE PROPOSES AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT AND ITS ROOF, AND IT'S OVER 300, UH, YOU'RE GOING TO WORK, UM, AT THAT POINT IN TIME, IF, IF IT'S NOT IN CONFORMANCE, IF THE PROPERTY IS NO LONGER IN CONFORMANCE WITH REQUIRED, OFF-STREET PARKING, THEN WE CAN REQUIRE ADDITIONAL PARKING FOR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS. 
          SO THAT'S SPECIFICALLY EXEMPTED FROM THIS. 
          IT SAYS, THIS IS SPECIFICALLY FOR ADDING AN ADDITION TO A HOUSE. 
          LIKE FOR INSTANCE, IF SOMEBODY, SOMEBODY, UM, CONVERTS, UH, EXISTING GARAGE INTO AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, AND THEN THAT'S FINALED, IT GETS PERMITTED AND FINALS. 
          AND THEN LATER ON, THEY WANT TO ADD 300 SQUARE FEET TO THEIR HOUSE. 
          THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO BUILD ANOTHER GARAGE. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I FOLLOW NOW, BUT LET ME ASK YOU THIS. 
          SO JOANNE, THIS SEEMS LIKE IT'S A BACK DOOR TO A PROBLEM THAT IS EXISTING DUE TO THE FACT THAT THERE IS THE CONVERSION OF THE GARAGE. 
          LET'S JUST SAY SOMEONE LET'S JUST HYPOTHETICALLY SOMEONE IS CONVERTING THE GARAGE TODAY TO AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT AND THEY NO LONGER HAVE A GARAGE RIGHT NOW THAT BECOMES A NECESSITY DWELLING UNIT LATER ON. 
          LET'S JUST SAY A YEAR DOWN THE LINE. 
          THEY SAID THEY WANT TO NEED IT A LITTLE BIT BIGGER ROOM, AND THEY TO ADD MORE THAN 300 SQUARE FOOT TO THEIR HOUSE, THEN YOU'RE ASKING THEM TO ADD A GARAGE IN ORDER TO ADD MORE THAN THE 300 SQUARE FOOT. 
          NOW, HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE IF YOU DON'T PLAN AHEAD OF TIME, IF THEY CONVERT, BECAUSE NORMALLY THE GARAGE IS TOWARD THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE OR TWO AT ONE SIDE OF THE HOUSE. 
          WHAT HAVE YOU, IF YOU CONVERTED THAT ALREADY TO A LIVING SPACE, THEN HOW IS THAT OWNER POSSIBLE TO ADD ANY MORE ADDITION TO THEIR ROOM, IF THEY CANNOT DO THAT? 
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IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN FIND AND WORK WITH THE HOMEOWNER AND, AND, AND HOW WOULD THEY KNOW? BECAUSE AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME, THEY MAY NOT THINK ABOUT ADDING TO THEIR HOUSE AND THEY JUST AUTOMATIC CONVERTED THEIR GARAGE, WHICH THEY COULD HAVE. 
          LET'S SAY, IF THE HOMEOWNER KNOWS ABOUT IT, THEY COULD LEAVE THE GARAGE THE WAY IT IS BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO, AND THEN ADD ON TO THE BACK OF IT. 
          BUT BY CODE, THEY CAN'T, WE CAN'T SAY THAT TO THE HOME OWNER RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THE STATE LAW GOVERNING THE ADU. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          I THINK, I THINK WHAT, W WHAT'S WHAT IS THE NET EFFECT OF THIS IS THAT IF SOMEONE HAS THE FORESIGHT TO READ THIS, UH, IN ADVANCE, THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, OKAY, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND ADD ONTO MY PROPERTY. 
          AND THEN I'M GOING TO CONVERT TO MY CR CONVERT MY GARAGE INTO AN ADU. 
          AND THOSE ARE THE SMART PEOPLE. 
          AND THEN EVERYONE ELSE IS A, NOT THE MOST INTELLIGENT PERSON ON THE FACE OF THE PLANET, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T KNOW THAT WE, WE DECIDED TO DRAFT THIS. 
          SO YOU CAN'T DO IT. 
          IT'S BASICALLY THE CHICKEN COMES, COMES BEFORE THE EGG IN THIS SCENARIO, BUT THE EGG CAN'T COME BEFORE THE CHICKEN EFFECTIVELY DOESN'T MEAN THE ADU WILL BE APPROVED. 
          THE HOUSE EXCEEDS THE LIMIT OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAN THE ADU WOULD NOT BE APPROVED. 
          CORRECT. 
          UM, WE CAN'T DENY THE ADU DENIED, RIGHT? IT ALSO, IT ALSO MEANS IT ALSO MEANS THAT IF THEY DO ADD THE, THE 300 SQUARE FEET OR WHATEVER, THEY WANT TO ADD BEEF BEFORE CONVERTING THE GARAGE INTO THE ADU, IT ALSO LIMITS THEM FROM DOING ANYTHING ELSE IN THE FUTURE AS WELL. 
          MESSAGES YOUR EXPANSION FIRST, THEN DO THE ADU. 
          BUT ALSO ALSO, JOANNE, LET ME ASK YOU THIS THOUGH, BECAUSE THE ADU WE GOT INTO THE GARAGE CONVERSION, THE GARAGE, MOST TYPICAL GARAGE IS ONLY 400 SQUARE FOOT. 
          HOWEVER, LET'S SAY THAT SOMEONE JUST CONVERTED THE GARAGE. 
          LIKE THE EXAMPLE I GIVE EARLIER, SOMEONE JUST CONVERTED THE GARAGE TODAY IN IS 400 SQUARE FOOT. 
          THEY CAN COME BACK AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? I WANT TO EXPAND MY 8,400 SQUARE FOOT FOOT, 1200 SQUARE FOOT. 
          BECAUSE BY STATE LAW, THEY CAN ACTUALLY GO MAXIMUM 1200 SQUARE FOOT. 
          SO ULTIMATELY THEY CAN STILL ADD THAT WITHOUT GIVING THE CITY, WHICH IS THIS, WHAT THIS CODE DOING IS TO ASKING FOR A GARAGE. 
          SO IS THERE ANOTHER INCENTIVE THAT WE CAN COME OUT WITH, BE CREATIVE TO SAY, HEY, LOOK GUYS, IF YOU GIVE US A GARAGE, YOU HAVE THE ADU PLUS SOME, BUT WHAT IS HAPPENING? WHETHER OR NOT YOU GUYS LOOK AT, UM, UM, DESIGN NETWORK, PEOPLE ARE BUYING LOTS THAT ARE 5,000 OR 7,000 SQUARE FEET WITH AN EXISTING HOUSE. 
          THEY ARE DEMOLISHING THE EXISTING HOUSE. 
          THEY ARE PUTTING IN A PORTER CACHE, WHICH IS ON ONE SIDE, WHICH ALLOWS FOR PARKING, UH, FOR VEHICLES. 
          THEN THEY'RE ACTUALLY BUILDING A BASEMENT AND THEN ADDING TWO STORIES. 
          WAIT, SAY THAT AGAIN. 
          THERE ARE COMMUNITIES RIGHT NOW IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, WHERE PEOPLE ARE BUYING 5,000 OR 7,000 SQUARE FOOT, LOTS WITH EXISTING HOUSES. 
          THEY ARE DEMOLISHING THE HOUSE ON ONE SIDE, THEY ARE PUTTING IN A PORTICO SHARE THAT ALLOWS THEM TO PARK OR VEHICLES. 
          THEN THEY'RE COMING BACK AND BUILDING A BASEMENT AND THEN ADDING TWO STORIES. 
          HEY, THAT'S PRETTY CREATIVE. 
          BUT, UM, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, UM, UM, OKAY, LET'S GO BACK TO THE 300 SQUARE FOOT LIMITATIONS. 
          I FELT LIKE DESPITE THE FACT THAT WE ARE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE GARAGE, IT SEEMS, IT APPEARS LIKE THIS CODE IS TRYING TO ENCOURAGE MORE PEOPLE TO HAVE GARAGES AND BUILD GARAGES. 
          AND WHAT HAVE YOU, HOWEVER, IT SEEMS LIKE IT DOESN'T SEEM TO WORK BASED ON THE FACT THAT THE GARAGE CURRENTLY, EVEN WITH THE CONVERSIONS 400 SQUARE FOOT, YOU CAN, THEY CAN COME BACK AND ADD 800 SQUARE FOOT, WHETHER IT'S TO THE HOUSE CALLED AN ADU OR, OR, WELL, THEY HAVE TO CALL IT AN ADU BECAUSE THEY CAN'T CALL IT THE MAIN HOUSE. 
          BUT HOW WOULD YOU NAME IT AT THE END RESULT IS THAT THEIR HOUSE CAN STILL ULTIMATELY INCREASE ANOTHER 800 SQUARE FOOT WITHOUT GIVING THE CITY A GARAGE. 
          SO HOW IS THAT HELPING US BY, I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          IT JUST SOUNDS LIKE WE NEED TO HAVE AN INTERNAL POLICY THAT SAYS WE'RE NOT GOING TO TELL PEOPLE, DO ONE BEFORE THE OTHER. 
          I THINK YOU MAY HAVE GIVEN IT AWAY COMMISSIONER MUCH THE BEST THAT I CAN COME UP WITH. 
          AND, AND THAT'S, UH, IF I MAY, UH, CHAIR, UH, VISCERA IT'S, UM, THE INTENT IS TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK 
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AND COMMENTS ON THESE, THE WORDING OF THESE ITEMS TONIGHT, AND THEN WE CAN BRING IT BACK TO YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          I ACTUALLY LIKE TO VISIT THE HEIGHTS LIMITATIONS. 
          UM, I'M NOT QUITE GETTING THAT PORTION. 
          JOANNE, CAN YOU KIND OF GO THROUGH THAT AGAIN REGARDING THE HOUSE, RIGHT. 
          I THINK THE CHANGES OF IT'S FROM 16 FEET TO 20 FEET IS THAT YES. 
          WELL CURRENT, WELL CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW FOR GARAGES AND I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE A DIAGRAM, BUT CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW FOR GARAGES AND STORAGE, SHEDS UNWELL, SHALLOW STORAGE SHUTS ADDS STORAGE SHEDS OVER SEVEN FEET IN HEIGHT BECAUSE STORAGE SHEDS AT SEVEN FEET ARE ALLOWED TO GO RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE. 
          SO, UM, CURRENTLY FOR GARAGES, UM, AND STORAGE SHEDS OVER SEVEN FEET IN HEIGHT, THE REQUIRED SETBACK IS FIVE, FIVE FEET WITHIN THE REAR YARD. 
          ASSUMING THAT THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS 15 FEET. 
          HOWEVER, IF THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT INCREASES, UM, THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT PROPOSED IS, IS INCREASED, UM, TO SOMETHING HIGHER THAN 15 FEET. 
          THEN THE REQUIRED SETBACK INCREASES TO 25 FEET. 
          SO THE, THE, UM, PROPOSAL OR SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP BY, BY THE CITY COUNCIL, UM, IN THE PAST WAS TO ALLOW GARAGES AND STRUCTURES TO BE, TO BE HIGHER. 
          UM, THEN 15 FEET, FOUR TO FIVE FEET AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE WITH A DIRECTOR'S REVIEW. 
          SO THEY BASICALLY WANT, YOU WANT TO INCREASE THE GARAGE HIGHS OR THE STORAGE SIDE TO 20 FEET. 
          GREAT. 
          AND THEN STILL HAVE THE FIVE FEET SETBACK. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          AND THE ASSESSMENT OR FOR WHICH EVER THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR CITY COUNCIL APPROVES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS IS HOW MANY FEET WHAT'S THE HEIGHTS ON THAT ONE? THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT FOR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS THAT THE STATE LAW ALLOWS ARE, UM, IS 16 FEET, 16 FEET, BUT THAT STATE LAW, WHAT ABOUT, WHAT ABOUT CITY LAW OFFICE? THE CITY DID ADOPT THAT 16 FEET. 
          SO HE JUST ACCEPTED THE SIXTH DETACHED ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS. 
          WELL, OKAY. 
          I GUESS, UM, I SEE THAT THERE IS A PROBLEM WE GOT UNPACKING AND I DO SEE THAT IT'S BEEN THE LAST YEAR OR TWO NOW THAT THE ADU IS COMING IN. 
          AND, UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE CONVERTING THE GARAGES TO AN ADU AND THAT THERE'S NO PARKING. 
          THAT THAT IS A PROBLEM. 
          WHEREVER I DON'T SEE A SOLUTIONS IN PERHAPS MAYBE I'LL COMMISSION SHOULD COME UP WITH SOME TYPE OF SOLUTIONS THAT WE CAN ONE ENCOURAGE RESIDENTS TO BUILD GARAGE PLUS THE ADU. 
          I'M NOT SURE HOW, BUT HOW AND WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW. 
          IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S HELPING BASICALLY WHEN, WHEN, WHEN A RESIDENT COMES IN, THEY LOOK AT THE CODE AND THEY SAID, OKAY, I COMPLIED. 
          I FIT WITH WHAT THE CITY WANTS. 
          AND THEN THEREFORE, THIS IS WHAT I'M GOING TO DO. 
          IF WE HAVE A FORESIGHT TO SEE HOW WANT TO ENCOURAGE RESIDENTS TO BUILT GARAGE AND ALSO HAVE AN ADU, AND PERHAPS, MAYBE THE COMBINATIONS WE GET BOTH ONE ON ONE SIDE, WE HAVE A GARAGE. 
          AND THE OTHER SIDE WE ALSO HAVE, UH, UH, THE AGU IS THAT THEY WANT AS WELL. 
          SO HOW DO WE GET BOTH BY MILE RESIDENTS? AND SO THAT IT DOESN'T ALL THESE CARS WON'T IMPACT THE STREET AS MUCH AT THE END OF THE DAY. 
          SO WE HAD TO BE CREATIVE INSTEAD OF COMING UP WITH ALL THESE RULES THAT MAY NOT EVEN WORK AT THE END. 
          SO I CAN SEE THAT THERE IS A PROBLEM. 
          SO LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, THE HEIGHTS OF THE ADU, YES, STATE LAW SAID IT'S 16 FEET. 
          HOWEVER, SOME CITY FORGOT WHAT CITY WAS. 
          UM, THEY ALLOW IT 25 FEET OR 35 FEET. 
          PART OF THE REASON IS THEY ALLOW THE GARAGES TO BE ON THE BOTTOM. 
          AND THEN ON TOP WOULD BE THE, WHAT DO YOU CALL THIS ADU? THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS THAT ACTUALLY ENCOURAGES PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN A VERY TIGHT AREA THAT ULTIMATELY AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY STILL NEED PARKING. 
          YOU MAY HAVE THESE UNITS, BUT YOU'RE PROBABLY DRIVING AROUND THE BROCK, LIKE A CHICKEN TED CUTOFF, TRYING TO PARK YOUR CAR. 
          OR IF YOU FIND A PARKING SPACE, YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO LEAVE. 
          THAT'S HOW IT IS IN SANTA MONICA. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          OR THE BEACH, BUT I HAVEN'T LIVED AT THE BEACH AREA YET, BUT SANTA MONICA IS PRETTY CLOSE. 
          SO ANYWAY, UM, AS A CITY, WE HAD TO BE CREATIVE AND WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH AS COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF. 
          WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH SOME WAYS 
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TO ACTUALLY ULTIMATELY AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF THE CITY THINKS AND VALUE GARAGES, WE NEED TO FIND A WAYS TO ALSO WORK WITH THE RESIDENTS SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE BOTH THE GARAGE AND ALSO THE ADU. 
          AND WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO COME UP WITH AN IDEAS. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW IN WHAT YET, BUT INSTEAD OF GOING AROUND AND SOCAL AND PREVENTING IT AND AT THE END, AND ULTIMATELY AT THE END, WE MAY NOT GET THE GARAGES, WHICH IS WHAT WE WANTED TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO PARK OFF THE STREET. 
          BECAUSE SOME AREA IN WEST COVINA IS NO PARKING SPACE. 
          AND I ADDRESSED THIS A FEW, YOU KNOW, SINCE THIS ADU LAW CAME ABOUT SINCE 2000, SINCE 2002, BUT I HAVEN'T BEEN ON COMMISSION THAT LONG. 
          HOWEVER, IT'S, IT'S TIME TO TALK ABOUT IT. 
          AND IT'S TIME TO SERIOUSLY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATIONS OF WHAT AND HOW WE CAN ENCOURAGE THE PARKING AND ENCOURAGED THE DEVELOPMENT IN A WAY THAT BENEFITS BOTH THE CITIES, THE RESIDENTS, AND EVERYONE GETS WHAT THEY WANT. 
          IF THAT'S WHAT TRULY, WHAT THE CITY IS GOING AFTER IS ENCOURAGING RESIDENTS TO BUILD MORE GARAGES. 
          BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, SOME OF THE, UH, SOME OF THE RESIDENTS WHO HAS, HE CAUGHT A CARRIAGE, WHICH IS A GARAGE, YOU WANTED TO BUILD AN ADU ON TOP OF THE GARAGE. 
          AND I TELL HIM, YOU CAN'T, HE'S LIKE, WHY NOT? I SAID, WHAT'D YOU JUST CAN'T BECAUSE IT'S 16 FEET AND YOUR GARAGE RIGHT NOW WITH A ROOF ON TOP OF IT, IT'S AT LEAST 12 FEET ALREADY. 
          SO YOU CAN'T BUILD A PLACE TO LIVE WITH 12, FOUR FEET. 
          SORRY, MY MATH TONIGHT. 
          IT'S NOT THAT GREAT. 
          BUT SO ULTIMATELY AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE NOT ENCOURAGED HIM. 
          AND HE'S TRYING TO FIND DIFFERENT WAYS TO HAVE HIS COURAGE CARRIAGE. 
          HE CALL IT NOT COURAGE. 
          I'M SORRY, A GARAGE, A CARRIAGE THAT HE WANTS TO PUT HIS LIVABLE ADU ON TOP OF IT. 
          I WISH HE SEE IT TONIGHT, BUT HE'S NOT. 
          UM, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ALSO NEED TO LISTEN TO OUR RESIDENTS TO SEE WHAT IT IS THAT THEY WANT. 
          AND, AND HE DOES ULTIMATELY WANT HIS GARAGE. 
          IT DIDN'T WANT TO CONVERT HIS GARAGE, BUT THEN HE HAD NO OTHER CHOICE. 
          THE ONLY THING I CAN SAY TO HIM IS THAT YOU CAN'T ANT AND GO READ THE STATE CODE. 
          OKAY. 
          LET'S STICK TO WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON TONIGHT. 
          SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE VOTING ON THE VERBIAGE OF RECREATIONAL AS OPPOSED TO NON HABITABLE, NON HABITABLE. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S A SIMPLE FIX. 
          UM, I THINK THE ONLY WERE GRANTED EVERYTHING, EXCEPT YOU HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE HEIGHT, CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          SO WE'RE INCREASING THE HEIGHTS TO 20 FEET, RIGHT. 
          AND STILL HAVE THE FIVE FEET SETBACK LIMITATIONS FOR THAT. 
          WELL FEET, WELL, FOUR FEET. 
          IT DEPENDS ON NUMBER FOUR. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          IT DEPENDS. 
          THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION DEPENDS ON NUMBER FOUR. 
          IT WOULD BE FIVE FEET. 
          IF NUMBER FOUR IS NOT, IS NOT, UH, UM, IS NOT CHAIN, UM, IS NOT ADOPTED OR IT IS NOT RECOMMENDED, UM, AS, AS PART OF THE DRAFT ORDINANCE. 
          AND IT WOULD BE FOUR FEET IF IT IS. 
          SO IT JUST DEPENDS. 
          SO THAT'S ONLY A DIFFERENCE OF ONE FOOT. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE A, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS WITH REGARDS TO THE SO-SO THE HEIGHT OF THE DETACHED GARAGES, UM, AT, AT 20 FEET. 
          WHAT'S THE SETBACK FOR THAT CURRENTLY CURRENTLY 25 FEET. 
          FIVE FEET. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND WOULD THAT CHANGE AT ALL WITH THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT? YES. 
          IT, IF, IF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT IS ADOPTED THE, UM, THE STAFF, UM, WITH THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, IT WOULD BE ALLOWED A GARAGE OR A STORAGE SHED WOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE AT 20 FEET WITH A DIRECTOR'S. 
          SO, AND SO WHAT, SO THE, THE FRONT SETBACK IS 25 FEET, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN W WHAT ARE THE, WHAT ARE THE SIDE AND REAR SETBACK MINIMUMS FOR THAT? I'M SORRY, THE F THE TWENTY-FIVE FEET SETBACK IS THE REAR SETBACK. 
          OKAY. 
          FOR A 20 FOOT GARAGE, 20 FOOT GARAGE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO FOR AN EXISTING 12 FOOT GARAGE, THE SETBACKS ONLY FIVE FEET, FIVE FEET, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          AND THEN WHAT ARE THE PARAMETERS OF THE DIRECTOR'S REVIEW? UM, AS STAFF'S PROPOSING, THE DIRECTOR WOULD MAKE A DETERMINATION THAT THE STRUCTURE IS IN THE DEVELOP. 
          THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE AND DEVELOPMENT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE STRUCTURES AND IT'S CONSISTENT 
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AND COMPATIBLE WITH THE STRUCTURES ON THE PROPERTY. 
          AND ALSO THE DIRECTOR WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A DETERMINATION THAT THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE IS AT LEAST 10 FEET AWAY FROM THE NEIGHBORING, UH, NEIGHBORING, UH, NEIGHBORING, UH, NEIGHBORS HOUSE, AND AT LEAST 10 FEET AWAY FROM A NEIGHBOR. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M, I'M CONFUSED BECAUSE YOU SAID THERE'S, THERE'S A REQUIREMENT FOR A 20 FOOT GARAGE. 
          THAT WOULD BE A 25 FOOT SETBACK. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHY WOULD THERE NEED TO BE A DETERMINATION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT IT'S WITHIN 10 FEET OF ANY, OF ANY STRUCTURE OR ANY POOL? UM, THAT WAS JUST STAFF'S TOP THOUGHT. 
          CAUSE IF, IF, UH, GARAGE WAS WHAT, UM, IF A 20 FOOT TALL GARAGE OR STORAGE SHED, THAT'S LIKE FIVE FEET AWAY FROM THE REAR PROPERTY LINE. 
          UM, AND WAS A NEIGHBOR, HAS A SWIMMING POOL. 
          THAT'S ALSO FIVE FEET AWAY FROM THE REAR PROPERTY LINE. 
          A TALL STRUCTURE. 
          CAN, CAN, UM, CAST A SHADOW ON THERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          I GUESS WHAT I'M NOT FOLLOWING IS YOU SAID THERE'S A REQUIREMENT THAT THERE WOULD BE A 25 FOOT SETBACK AND THAT'S ALL THE WAY AROUND, CORRECT. 
          THERE'S CURRENTLY A REQUIREMENT FOR A 25 FOOT REAR SETBACK. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          THIS IS JUST FOR THE REAR SETBACK. 
          SO THE SIDE SETBACK IS STILL FIVE FEET, CORRECT? THE SIDE SETBACK IS STILL FIVE FEET. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL THEN, THEN, AND THAT, IN THAT CONTEXT, THEN I WOULD SAY, I WOULD WANT A, A LARGER MINIMUM SETBACK THAN 10 FEET. 
          I MEAN, ABSOLUTELY BECAUSE THE 20 FOOT STRUCTURE GOING IN, UM, IS, IS SIGNIFICANTLY MORE OF A, UH, UH, OF, UH, POTENTIAL, UH, IMPACT ON, UH, ON, UH, ON A NEIGHBOR'S YARD THEN, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT'S ONLY 12 FEET TALL. 
          SO I THINK IN THAT CONTEXT, I I'D WANT TO HAVE A MINIMUM OF, OF A 15 FOOT SETBACK, 15 FOOT SETBACK FROM THE PROPERTY, 15 FEET DIFFERENTIAL, UH, BETWEEN SOMEBODY'S POOL OR, OR EXISTING STRUCTURE. 
          YES. 
          I'D SET THAT. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          SO SET BACK, NOT NECESSARILY THE PROPERTY LINE, BUT FROM A NEIGHBORING POLE OR A NEIGHBORING HOUSE IN ANY EXISTING STRUCTURE. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          GOOD. 
          SO I'M SORRY. 
          SO THERE'LL BE CONCLUDED, WHICH IS STAY WITH THE SAME, THE FACT THAT IT'S BE AWAY FROM A NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE AND AWAY FROM THE NEIGHBORS POOL, UM, COMMISSION, UM, COMMISSIONER LEWIS WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UM, IF THE 20 FOOT, THE, UH, THE GARAGE AND STORAGE SHEDS WOULD, WOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE 20 FEET IN HEIGHT WITHIN 25 FEET FROM THE REAR, FROM, FROM THE REAR PROPERTY LINE, HE WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UH, THE GARAGE OR STORAGE SHED TO BE AT LEAST 15 FEET AWAY FROM A NEIGHBOR'S POOL OR STRUCTURE. 
          I THINK AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T CASH SHADOW, THAT SHOULD BE GO UNDER REVIEW. 
          BUT I THINK WE SHOULD, HE COULD TAKE, TAKE HIS COMES, DIRECTOR'S REVIEW, BUT THE DIRECTOR'S REVIEW FOR THE 10 FOOT OR 12 FOOT, OR WHATEVER QUICK QUESTION WITH REGARD TO STORAGE SHEDS, WHAT, WHAT TYPE OF SH OF STORAGE SHEDS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THAT ARE, THAT ARE, I GUESS I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE EVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          WELL, THERE'S, UM, IN, IN THE, I GUESS IN THE SOUTH HILLS AREA, THERE ARE, THERE ARE, UM, LARGE, LARGER HOMES AND SOME HOMES HAVE, HAVE, UM, ARE LIKE TUTOR STYLE, FOR INSTANCE, UM, AND, AND STORAGE SHEDS AND ACCESSORY STRUCTURES ARE REQUIRED TO, UM, BEAT THE SAME ARCHITECTURAL STYLE AS THE HOUSE. 
          SO IF, IF YOU HAVE A TUTOR STYLE HOUSE, THE ROOF PITCH IS A LOT STEEPER AND THE STRUCTURE IS A LOT HIGHER. 
          GOT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          FAIR ENOUGH. 
          AND ALSO, OH, I SEEN THEM PUT BOATS. 
          THEY WANT IT A LITTLE BIT HIGHER, KNOW THEY CAN PULL THAT THING IN THERE. 
          SAY THAT. 
          I MEAN, THE GARAGE. 
          WHY, WHY, WHY IT HAS TO BE SO, SO HIGH AND WHAT HAVE YOU, SOMETIME THEY PULL THERE. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          I'VE SEEN THAT EQUIPMENTS. 
          THAT'S PRETTY COMMONPLACE. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION ALL I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. 
          UH, I BELIEVE WE'VE IT'S CODE AMENDMENT. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU NEED TO MAKE A MOTION BECAUSE IT'S COMING BACK TO YOU. 
          I THINK YOUR DIRECTION WAS GIVE US INPUT AND DIRECTION SO WE CAN COME BACK WITH THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE. 
          SURE. 
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SO I GUESS, SO, SO DO WE NEED A MOTION WITH DIRECTION OR DO WE JUST GIVE STAFF DIRECTION AND THAT'S IT, OR CONSENSUS IS YES. 
          GIVE STAFF DIRECTION AND ALSO CONTINUE IT TOO. 
          SEPTEMBER 22 SEPTEMBER. 
          UM, WHAT DATE IS THIS TO THE SEPTEMBER 28TH? BECAUSE THIS, THIS MEETING, THIS CODE AMENDMENT HASN'T BEEN NOTICED. 
          SO CONTINUING IT TO, UH, ANOTHER, UM, TO US DATE, CERTAIN, WE'LL SAY THE CITY MONEY AND NOTICING, SO THAT'S YOUR MOTION NEEDS FOR THE CONTINUING CONTINUE THIS TO THE TABLE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I, I WOULD MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS TO THE 28TH OF SEPTEMBER AS THE DATE CERTAIN, AND, UM, WITH THE CHANGES AS DISCUSSED WITH REGARD TO THE SETBACKS AND DIRECTORS REVIEW PERTAINING TO, UH, GARAGES ARE DETACHED GARAGES AND STORAGE SHEDS. 
          I SAID, OKAY, I HAVE A MOTION BY VICE CHAIR LEWIS AND A SECOND BY A CHAIR, VISCERA, UM, COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS. I, UH, COMMISSIONER HANG VICE CHAIR, LEWIS AND CHAIR VISCERA. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES, FOUR . 
          OKAY. 
          THE COMMISSION HAS GIVEN STAFF DIRECTION HOW TO PROCEED WITH THIS MATTER. 
          ALL THE CARRYING ITEMS HAVE COME HAVE BEEN CONCLUDED. 
          STAFF WILL NOW PRESENT NON PUBLIC HEARING ITEM WHO WILL PRESENT THE NON-HEARING ITEM. 
          YOU DID NOT HAVE A NON-HEARING. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THERE ARE NO NON-HEARING ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. 
          SO WE'LL PROCEED WITH THE COMMISSION REPORTS, COMMENTS, MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS, REPORTS, COMMENTS, AND MISSING. 
          OKAY. 
          WOULD ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS LIKE TO REPORT OR COMMENT ON ANYTHING ITEM? 
          [5. COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR'S REPORT:]
OKAY. 
          COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR'S REPORT. 
          WHEN, UH, ARE THERE ANY ITEMS, UH, TO REPORT TO THE COMMISSION? UM, NOW JUST, UH, PURSUANT TO THE ACTIONS TAKEN TONIGHT, DID THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS CONTINUED THE OVERLAY ZONING CODE, A CODE CHAIN OR CODE AMENDMENT TO THE, UH, REGARDING THE, UM, OVERLY THROWN AT THE AUTO PLEASANT BID TO SEPTEMBER 14TH AND THE PROPOSED CODE AMENDMENTS TO THE RESIDENTIAL STANDARDS, UM, AND THE RESIDENTIAL AGRICULTURE AND SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL STONES TO THE SEPTEMBER 28 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS. 
          UM, WERE THERE 
          [6. CITY COUNCIL ACTION:]
ANY ACTIONS TAKEN BY THE CITY COUNCIL THAT PERTAINED TO THE PLANNING COMMITTEE? UH, YES. 
          THE CITY COUNCIL HAS APPROVED BOTH THE VINCENT PLACE AND CAMERON TO A RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS. 
          AND THAT'S IT FOR ME THIS EVENING. 
          THERE'S NO FURTHER BUSINESS TO CONSIDER THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED AT 9:50 PM. 
          THANK YOU EVERYONE.
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