[CALL TO ORDER]
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HI AND WELCOME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS FOR APRIL 13, 2021.
UM, AS OF MARCH 4TH, UM, 2020, THE GOVERNOR HAD, UM, DECLARE A PANDEMIC AND WE ARE STILL IN THE STAIR PANDEMIC.
SO IF YOU HAVE NOT FEELING WELL, PLEASE DO, YOU CAN ALWAYS JOIN US ON THE ZOOM MEETING AND ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, SAY SIX FOOT APART, LIKE WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO WE'RE CONTINUING PR UM, YOU KNOW, HAVING THE SAME PRACTICE, UM, UM, I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH, UM, BASICALLY YOU CAN ALSO EMAIL US AS WELL.
UM, SO ANY PERSON WITCHING, UH, TO ADDRESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON ANY MATTER LISTED ON THE AGENDA ON ANY OTHER MATTER WITHIN THEIR JURISDICTION IS ASKED TO COMPLETE A SPEAKER CARD THAT IS PROVIDED ON THE PODIUM, UM, AND SUBMITTED THE KARTRA PLANNING DEPARTMENT, STAFF, LISA IDENTIFY AND SPEAK CARD.
AND BY THE ARE SPEAKING ON AN AGENDA ITEMS OR NON AGENDA ITEM, BECAUSE TO SPEAK ON AN NON-AGENDA ITEMS WILL BE HEARD DOING ORAL COMMUNICATIONS BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING SECTION OF THE AGENDA, ORAL COMMUNICATIONS ARE LIMITED TO 30 MINUTES.
GENERALLY COMMENTS ARE LIMITED FIVE MINUTES PER SPEAKER AND LESS FOR THE TIME IS GRANTED BY THE CHAIRPERSON.
CHAIRPERSON MAY ALSO AT HIS OR HER DISCRETION FOR THE LIMIT, THE TIME OF EACH SPEAKER IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE A LARGE NUMBER OF SPEAKERS AND OR TO ENSURE THAT THE BUSINESSES OR THE PLAN COMMISSION IS EFFECTIVELY CONDUCTED ANY TESTIMONY OF COMMENTS REGARDING A MATTER SET FOR PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HEARD DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THAT ITEM.
AND WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A MOMENT OF SILENCE.
UM, WELL, MEDITATION AND FOLLOW BY COMMISSIONER.
NICK LEWIS WILL, UM, LEAD THE PLEDGE OF REGIONS AND THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE VOTE CALL.
SO PLEASE TRY ME
I PLEDGE
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS, PRESIDENT COMMISSIONER GUTIERREZ, COMMISSIONER LEWIS COMMISSIONER, COME IN A CHAIR, HANG HERE.
[1. Regular meeting, March 23, 2021]
APPROVAL OF MINUTES.DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY CHANGES TO THE MINUTES AS OF MARCH 23RD, 2021 HEARING NONE.
THE MAIN IS THE MARCH 23RD, 2021 TO APPROVE AS SUBMITTED ORAL COMMUNICATIONS.
UM, WHAT ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE COMMISSIONER AS AN ORAL COMMUNICATION? I DON'T HAVE A CARD.
DO WE HAVE ANY ZOOM? GUESS WHAT RESIDENTS.
IF NOT, WE'RE GOING, MOVING ON TO PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT.
WE HAVE THREE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE AGENDA.
[2. CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NO. 21-02]
JOANNE WILL PRESENT THE FIRST STAFF PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE FIRST ITEM.OUR HUNTING INTERN, MARIA MACHADO WOULD BE DOING THE PRESENTATION.
THIS IS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 2102 IT'S FOUR FLY HERE, ACADEMY TUTORING CENTER TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND.
THE SUBJECT SITE IS INDICATED BY THAT RED BOX.
THE APPLICANT IS FILING FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR THE USE OF A TUTORING CENTER.
THE LOCATION IS ZONED AS NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL.
IT'S LOCATED ON THE CORNER OF SOUTH AZUSA AVENUE AND EASTERN ROMAN DRIVE, WHICH IS IN THE SOUTH HILL SHOPPING CENTER.
THE SURROUNDING ZONING USES ARE SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
THE OVERALL LOT SIZE IS 393,366 SQUARE FEET.
THIS IS JUST A PICTURE OF THE EXISTING SITE.
IT'S ON THE SECOND FLOOR, RIGHT ABOVE A LITTLE PAUSE.
UH, AGAIN, IT'S INDICATED BY THE RED BOX
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MOVING ONTO THEIR PROPOSED FLOOR PLAN.THEIR MAIN ENTRANCE IS INDICATED BY THE RED ARROW.
THE GREEN INDICATES THE RECEPTION ROOM AND BLUES OR CLASSROOM AND PINK IS THEIR CONFERENCE ROOM OR BOWL.
IS THERE A BREAK ROOM AND IN YELLOWS OR A STRUM FLY HERE ACADEMY, UM, INTENDS TO PROVIDE TUTORING LESSONS AND LANGUAGE TRAINING IN ENGLISH, CHINESE, AND SPANISH.
THERE WILL BE A MAXIMUM OF THREE EMPLOYEES AT ANY GIVEN TIME, AND THERE WILL ALSO BE A MAXIMUM OF 16 STUDENTS.
THEIR BUSINESS HOURS ARE MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, 1:00 PM THROUGH 6:00 PM AND SATURDAY FROM 10:00 AM TO THREE 30.
PLANNING STAFF DOES RECOMMEND ADOPTING RESOLUTION 2160 73 APPROVING CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 2102.
UH, THIS DOES CONCLUDE THE PRESENTATION.
AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM.
WE'RE GOING TO OPEN THIS TO PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, THEN WE'RE HEARING TESTIMONY FROM THE APPLICANT, THOSE IN FAVOR, IN THOSE IN THE POST IS THE APPLICANT HERE OR, BUT YOU'RE COMING UP, YOU HAVE AN IN, THIS IS EVEN ARTHUR APPLICANT FOR A FLY HERE.
ACADEMIC, UH, THE LOCATION IS, UH, IN THE COMMERCIAL PLAZA NEXT TO THE, UM, TOKYO CENTRAL, UH, S UH, IT'S, UH, TUTORING CENTER IS GOING TO BE ONE BY ONE TOUR AS THE CASE IS ANY, UM, COMMISSIONERS HAS QUESTIONS FOR APPLICANT.
UM, WILL YOU BE PLANNING ON USING A SIMILAR TYPE SIGN AS THE ONE AT YOUR EXISTING SITE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO MOVE TO THE NEW SITE? THAT'S ON THE SECOND FLOOR? YES.
DOES ANYONE ELSE, IF NOT, WE'RE GOOD.
UM, WE'RE GOING TO CALL, UM, ANYONE PULSE.
IF, UM, DO WE HAVE ANY ZOOM? OKAY.
IF NOT, WE'RE GOING TO BE CLOSED PUBLIC HEARING, I GUESS THERE'S NO ONE.
HEY, THIS HAS IT AGAINST WHATEVER YOU, SO WE OPEN, UM, COMMISSIONED DISCUSSION.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
UM, WELL, THERE'LL BE A SECOND.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS. I MENTIONED OUR GUTIERREZ AND MISSIONARY LEWIS.
HI, CAN I SHARE WITH SARAH? HI TARA, HANG AYE.
MOTION PASSES FIVE OH SECTION AND IT'S FINAL UNLESS IT APPEALS TO THE CITY COUNCIL WITHIN 10 DAYS.
[3. TENTATIVE TRACT MAP NO. 18-01 (TTM 74976)]
WE'RE MOVING ON TO THE SECOND ITEM, WHICH IS ATTENDED WITH TRACK MAP, UM, MITIGATION, UM, DELEGATIONS OF ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT.APPLICANT IS T D A MARSH INVESTMENT LLC.
THE LOCATION IS SIX FOUR, TWO AND SEVEN OH FOUR EAST FRANCISQUITO AVENUE.
THE PROPOSED PROJECT WOULD SUBDIVIDE TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PARCELS INTO A TOTAL OF SIX SLOTS.
THE PROJECT SITE IS APPROXIMATELY 81,000 SQUARE FOOT, AND CURRENTLY CONTAINS TWO.
ONE STORY IS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE AND THE ASSOCIATES STRUCTURES ON TWO SEPARATE LOTS.
THE NEW LIGHTS WOULD BE RECTANGULAR IN SHAPE.
ONE WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY 10,560 SQUARE FEET.
TWO THROUGH THREE WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY 9,460 SQUARE FEET.
EACH LOT FOUR WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY 9,680 SQUARE FOOT.
AND LOT SIX WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY 21,000 SQUARE FEET.
AND JOANNA WHO WILL BE PRESENTING THE REPORT.
OUR SYSTEM PLANNER CHAMELEON MARTINEZ WILL BE PRESENTING THE STAFF REPORT.
UH, THIS IS FOR ITEM NUMBER THREE, THE SUBDIVISION OF TWO PROPERTIES INTO SIX SEPARATE SIX, SEPARATE LOTS, SOME BACKGROUND.
THE APPLICANT IS, UM, TDK MARSH, INVESTMENT LLC.
THE ADDRESSES ARE, UM, SIX 42 AND SEVEN OH FOUR
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EAST FRANCISQUITO AVENUE.THEY'RE BOTH ZONED R ONE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND TOGETHER ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS 81,495 SQUARE FEET.
APPROXIMATELY 1.87 ACRES HERE IN THE AREA.
YOU CAN SEE THE RED HIGHLIGHTED SECTION, WHICH IS THOSE TWO PARCELS AND BETWEEN FRANCISQUITO AVENUE, UM, SOUTH FRAN DALE AVENUE AND SOUTH CREEK DRIVE.
DO YOU WANT TO GO BACK AND JUST NOTATE THAT ABOVE FRANCISQUITO? UM, HERE I KNOW MY MOUSE ISN'T VERY VISIBLE.
UH, NORTH OF FRANCISQUITO IS THE CITY OF
SO THIS IS THE AREA OF THE TWO LOTS.
YOU HAVE LOT ONE, WHICH IS 37,239 SQUARE FEET.
AND THEN YOU HAVE LOT TWO, WHICH IS 43,926 SQUARE FEET FOR THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION.
WE HAVE LOT ONE, WHICH IS 10,560 SQUARE FEET, LOT TO 9,460, NOT THREE, THE SAME LOT FOR 9,685, 21,266 SQUARE FEET.
AND LASTLY, LOT SIX 20 1069 SQUARE FEET.
UM, AS A CLARIFICATION FOR THIS PROJECT, THIS IS ONLY FOR THE SUBDIVISION.
THERE IS NO PROPOSED, UM, DEVELOPMENT FOR NEW HOMES.
AT THIS TIME, I RECEIVED PART A FEW QUESTIONS, UM, IN THE WEEKS LEADING UP TO THIS PROJECT IN REGARDS TO DRIVEWAYS FOR THE NEW PROPERTIES.
SO I THOUGHT I'D HIGHLIGHT IT.
SO THE RED ARROWS ARE GOING TO INDICATE POTENTIALLY WHERE THE NEW DRIVEWAYS ARE GOING TO BE.
SO, UM, FOR LOTS, TWO, THREE, FIVE, AND SIX, THEY'RE ONLY GOING TO BE OFF OF THE MAIN STREETS THAT THEY'RE FACING, BUT FOR LOTS, ONE AND FOUR, SINCE THEY'RE CORNER LOTS, POTENTIALLY, UM, A NEW DRIVEWAY CAN COME OFF EITHER OR DEPENDING ON HOW THEY WANT TO DESIGN IT IN THE FUTURE.
ONCE AGAIN, THESE ARE THE LOTS, BUT THE MAIN HOUSE ON THE FIRST PARCEL AND THE NEW LOT SIX, THE GARAGE IS STICKING INTO THE OTHER PARCELS.
SO AS PART OF A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, IT WILL BE DEMOLISHED.
AND THE TWO CAR GARAGE WILL BE REPLACED.
UM, AS PART OF ANOTHER, IT WILL BE PROPOSED IN ANOTHER PART OF THE LOT.
UM, ONCE THAT DOES HAPPEN THE SAME FOR LOT FIVE ON, THEY WILL HAVE TO DEMOLISH A SECTION OF THAT HOME TO MEET SETBACKS AND NOT TO INTRUDE INTO LOT FOUR.
AND IF THEY WANT TO EXPAND THERE AT THE CURRENT HOUSE, THEY CAN, BUT SINCE IT'S NOT A GARAGE, IT'S NOT NECESSARY TO REPLACE THEM.
UM, SO THIS IS JUST A TABLE INDICATING, UH, ALL THE LOTS AND THEIR NEW, UM, WITH SEND DEBTS, UM, FOR AREA DISTRICT TWO, THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE IS 9,450 SQUARE FEET.
THE MINIMUM LOT WITH THE 70 AND THE MINIMUM LOT DEATH IS 110 WITH THE PROPOSAL FOR THE NEW, UM, LOTS, ALL OF THEM WILL MEET THAT STANDARD, UH, INITIAL STUDY AND AN M AND D WAS PREPARED AND CIRCULATED FOR PUBLIC REVIEW.
THE M AND D WAS PREPARED AND DISCLOSE THAT THE PROJECT WILL NOT HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT.
IT WAS ROUTED BETWEEN MARCH 11TH, 2021 THROUGH APRIL 1ST, 2021, THE REQUIRED MITIGATION MEASURES FOR OUR, FOR THE BIOLOGICAL RESOURCES OF THE NASTIEST BIRDS AND FOR NOISE, UH, MITIGATION MONITORING PROGRAM IS AN EXHIBIT OF ATTACHMENT NUMBER TWO TO THE AGENDA AND PROVIDES INFORMATION ON MITIGATION MEASURES AND MONITOR ON OR CHEERING BY THE RESPONSIBLE AGENTS CITY RECEIVED SEVEN COMMON STIRRING, THE NOTICE OF ABILITY, VISIBILITY, AND THE NOTICE OF INTENT DURING THE COMMENT PERIOD, THE RESPONSE TO THOSE COMMENTS ARE PROVIDED IN ATTACHMENT NUMBER THREE, AND ALSO ON YOU, YOU SHOULD ALSO RECEIVE A COUPLE OF PAGES ON TOP OF THAT.
UM, THOSE WERE THE ORIGINAL LETTERS.
THEY WERE NOT AS OF THE ATTACHMENT, THEY WERE SHOWN AS BLANK PAGES THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE NOTICED WHEN THE LETTERS SHOULD HAVE BEEN THERE.
SO WHAT YOU HAVE IS, UM, IS THOSE ORIGINAL LETTERS FOR THOSE RESPONSES.
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COMMENT AFTER THE COMMENT PERIOD AND WAS THERE FOR NOT ADDRESSED IN THE RESPONSE TO COMMENTS, UM, BUT WAS ATTACHED TO AS ATTACHMENT NUMBER FOUR FOR THE RECORD, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO ADOPT RESOLUTIONS, APPROVING, TEND TO ATTRACT MAP, UH, 1801 WITH THE NUMBER OF 74, NINE, SEVEN, SIX, UM, CONDITION I IN THAT RESOLUTION, UH, IS ACTUALLY NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THERE.SO WE ARE ASKING FOR IT TO BE, UM, REMOVED IT, DOESN'T APPLY TO THIS PROJECT.
AND THEN, UM, THE SECOND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO ADOPT THE MMD OF ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT.
UH, THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
UH, I AM HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANTS ARE ALSO PRESENT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AS WELL.
UM, WE'RE GOING TO OPEN TO PUBLIC HEARING, SO WE'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT AND THEN THOSE IN FAVOR, AND THEN THOSE WHO OPPOSE ALL BY CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND THEN OPEN FULL COMMISSION DISCUSSIONS, AND THEN WE'LL MAKE A MOTION.
SO IS THE APPLICANT HERE? THANK YOU.
I'M THE PROJECT MANAGER AT THE, UH, LOCATION AT SIX 42 IN SEVEN OH FOUR.
UM, I'M HERE TODAY TO, UH, ANSWER ANY QUESTION FROM COMMISSION AND ANYONE WHO, UM, OR HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THIS PART.
THE EASEMENT THAT'S SHOWN ON THE ONE SOUTH STREET.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT TYPE OF EASEMENT THAT 10 FOOT EASEMENT IS? UM, UM, THE EASTMAN ON THE BRENDALE SPEC.
SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS REQUESTED BY, UM, PLANNING.
AND WE ACTUALLY DEDICATE ABOUT A FOOT EIGHT FEET UP OUR LOT INTO FOR THOSE, FOR THE WIDENING OF THE STREET OR WHATEVER THE PURPOSE TOO, WHEN, WHEN WE'RE GOING INTO, UM, ACTUALLY AFTER THE, UM, FIND THEM HAVE FRUIT.
JUST, JUST CURIOUS WITH REGARD TO THE DEPTH OF THE LOTS ON, UH, ON THE FRANCISQUITO SIDE, UM, JUST, JUST CURIOUS.
WHY, WHY WAS IT CHOSEN TO GO WITH 110 FEET AS, AS THE DEPTH, AS OPPOSED TO SAY THE, THE 130 FEET THAT SEEMS TO BE SORT OF THE COMMON DEPTH ON THAT STREET? UM, THE REQUIREMENT WAS 410, AND WE TRY OUR BEST TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.
AND BECAUSE THE HOUSE, THEY ALL TWO EXISTING HOUSE IN THE BACK AT TAKING THE SPACE, OTHERWISE WE WOULD PUSH IT BACK TO WHATEVER JOE REQUESTS, BUT RIGHT NOW IS, UM, MEET THE REQUIREMENT OF 110 IS THE PLAN TO KEEP THOSE, THOSE TWO HOMES.
UH, I, I, AT THIS POINT, OUR PLAN IS TO KEEP THE TWO AND STILL MEET THE REQUIREMENT.
SO YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GOING TO DEMOLISH THE, IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN PULL THAT OUT, JUST CAUSE I'M, I'M TRYING TO, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT ARE EACH OF THOSE, THOSE THOSE ROOMS OR, OR, OR IS THAT FOR, FOR EXAMPLE, THE PORTION IN LOT FOUR, WHAT, UH, WHAT, WHAT IS THAT AS, AS PART OF THAT HOME, DON PARK UP THE STRUCTURE, THE HOUSE STRUCTURE, BUT, UH, WE'RE PLANNING TO DEMOLISH THAT'S PART OF THIS STRUCTURE TO MEET, UH, THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT.
WHAT, WHAT IS THAT CURRENTLY AS A LIVING ROOM? IT'S A LIVING ROOM.
SO IS THERE ANOTHER PORTION OF THE WHOLE, OF THE HOME THAT IS A LIVING ROOM? UH, YES.
THEY'LL, UH, THE HOUSE IS QUITE LARGE, ACTUALLY THE HOUSE IS ABOUT 2,700 SQUARE FEET AT THIS POINT.
AND WHEN WE, UM, IF WE CUT THAT PORTION, THE HOUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE AROUND 18 TO 2000 SQUARE FEET.
THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DEVELOP WITH THE OTHER, THE OTHER LOT AS WELL, LIKE AROUND 2000 SQUARE.
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AND THEN, AND THEN AS FAR AS THE, UH, AS, AS FAR AS ON LOT SIX, YEAH.WHAT, WHAT IS, WHAT IS THAT STRUCTURE? UH, THAT IS THE, UM, THE PART OF THE GARAGE.
UH, SO WE JUST HAVE TO, UH, DEMOLISH THAT GARAGE AND MOVE IT TO, UH, ANOTHER LOCATION IN THAT LOT WITHIN THAT LAB AUDIT.
SO I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO CONCEPTUALIZE HOW THAT'S GOING TO LOOK BECAUSE OF THAT.
THE HOUSE ITSELF IS, IS ORIENTED SUCH THAT LOT.
ONE AND LOT TWO ARE, ARE BASICALLY THE FRONT YARD FOR IT.
SO HOW, HOW IS THAT GOING WORK FOR THE HOUSE ON LOT SIX? IT SEEMS IT'S JUST GOING TO, TO, TO JUST BE, I GUESS, SORT OF, UH, UH, BUTTING A FENCE OR, OR WHATEVER DIVIDING LINE THAT YOU HAVE THERE.
UH, THAT WILL BE A FENCE ACROSS THE, FROM LOCK NUMBER ONE, RULE NUMBER TWO, AND THEN, UM, THAT WOULD BE THE PSI.
AND THEN WE'LL BE, UM, OPENING AT THE LOWER END OF THAT HOUSE.
WE'RE GOING TO OPEN A NEW, UH, ENTRY DOOR, THE MAIN DOOR, AND THEN THERE WILL BE, UH, A DRY WAY FROM, UM, I THINK HIS FRIEND DALE GO INTO THAT LOCK.
SO IT WILL BE A NEW DRIVEWAY GOING TO THAT LOT.
AND THEN, THEN, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT GARAGE WILL BE MOVED INTO THE LOWER SECTION OF LOSS SICK, SO WHERE IT WILL BE A NEW GARAGE.
SO IT WILL, THE DRIVEWAY WILL LET INTO THAT GARAGE.
AND THEN, UM, THE AUDIT PORTION THAT'S SHOW ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE, THAT WOULD BE THE, THE MAIN ENTRANCE WILL BE THE MAIN ENTRY.
SO ACTUALLY IT WILL NOT AFFECT THE, THE ORIENTATION OF THAT, UM, THAT PROPERTY.
SO WHAT, AND I THINK THIS IS A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
SO WHAT WOULD THE, WHAT WOULD THE SETBACK BE ON, ON THAT SIDE? UM, AFTER SUBDIVISION FOR LOT SIX, IT THROUGH THE CHAIR, THIS, IT WOULD BE A FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK, CAUSE IT WOULD BE THEIR SIDE YARD NOW.
SO IT'D BE A FIVE FOOT SIDE YARD SETUP.
AND THEN, SO THE WATTS ONE, TWO, THREE, AND FOUR, THE PLAN IS TO, WITH SOME SORT OF SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE ON THERE AT SOME POINT.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE, TODAY.
WE'RE SUPPOSED TO VOTE ON THE TWO SUB D OR TO DIVIDE THEM NOW, WOULD IT BE TOO HARD FOR YOU TO ACTUALLY GET THE PLANNING COMMISSION DRAWINGS OF HOW THE HOUSES IN LOT FIVE AND FIVE AND SIX ARE GONNA LOOK LIKE? UM, NO, THAT WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM BECAUSE WE ALREADY PRESENTED TO THE PLANNING BEFORE.
IT'S ACTUALLY, IT CAN BE DONE.
UM, FOR, SINCE IT'S GOING TO BE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET, ANY, ANY CHANGES TO THESE HOMES WOULD REQUIRE SUBCOMMITTEE DESIGNER REVIEW, BUT CURRENTLY, UM, NONE OF THE PLANS FOR LOT ONE THROUGH SIX, UM, HAS BEEN SUBMITTED FOR SUBCOMMITTEE, IS THAT CORRECT? UM, THAT'S CORRECT.
THEY INITIALLY THEY'VE SOME MAY HAVE SUBMITTED PLANS FOR, UM, TWO NEW TWO-STORY HOMES, BUT SINCE THEN, SINCE THEN, THOSE PLANS HAVE, HAVE, HAVE NOW CHANGED IN THE, UM, NOTE THAT THIS APPLICATION HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO US SINCE I BELIEVE 2007, 2017.
SO IT'S JUST BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH THE DESIGNER, TRYING TO COMPLY WITH CODE.
AND, UM, EVENTUALLY IF THEY DO, THEY, IF THEY DO SELL THE LOTS OR THEY DO CONSTRUCT, UM, HOMES ON THE PROPERTY, IF IT'S A SINGLE STORY HOUSE IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE SUBCOMMITTEE DESIGN REVIEW.
AND IF IT'S A TWO-STORY HOUSE AT THE VERY LEAST, IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE AN ADMINISTRATIVE USE PERMIT APPLICATION THAT'S CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW, NONE OF ALL PLANNING, COMMISSIONED, UM, HAS ANY TYPE OF PLANS BE GUARDING TO THE SUBDIVISIONS HOMES ACTION HOME THAT IS GOING TO DEVELOP THERE.
AND ALSO WE GUARDING THE CHANGES TO THOSE TWO EXISTING HOMES.
WE HAVE NOT, I MEAN, BASICALLY IF YOU CHOP IT UP AND THE HOUSE IS MISSING CERTAIN PARTS AND WE'RE NOT SEEING
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HOW YOU'RE GOING TO PATCH IT BACK UP TOGETHER, WE HEARD YOU.BUT, UM, AT THIS MOMENT, UH, ASSUME THAT WE HAVE NOT SEEN ANY PLAN THAT IS PUT TOGETHER TO SEE HOW IT'S GOING TO BE CONSOLIDATED, WHAT THE END RESULT BASICALLY NOW THAT YOU'RE CHOPPING LITTLE SECTIONS, YOU CHANGING THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND WHERE IS THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE RIGHT NOW, BESIDES THE FACT THAT YOU WERE SAYING IT'S GOING TO BE ON, ON BOTH SIDE OF THE STREETS.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IN THE GARAGES, THE MAKEUP OF THE GARAGES AND WHAT HAVE YOU, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE LOT NUMBER SIX GARAGES IS RIGHT NOW.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF YOU CAN HAVE ACCESS TO THAT GARAGE.
SO WHAT'S THAT GOING TO TURN TO? AND WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO PUT THE GARAGE? THESE ARE THINGS THAT I GUESS WE'RE NOT AWARE OF OR HOW IT'S GOING TO HATCHBACK TOGETHER.
AND I THINK, UH, AND JUST TO ADD TO THAT, I THINK, I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY INVESTING THE TIME AND EFFORT YOU'RE ARE TO DEVELOP MORE OR LESS, MORE LAND AND PROPERTY IN OUR CITY.
AND THAT'S REMARKABLE, BUT I THINK, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE, THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION ALSO SEES BECAUSE ON BEHALF OF THE RESIDENTS AT THE, WE SEE HOW THOSE HOMES ARE GOING TO LOOK BEFORE I KNOW FOR ME, BUT, UH, IDEA WILL BE FOR ME TO SEE HOW THOSE HOMES ARE GOING TO LOOK LIKE IF I WAS TO SUPPORT OR OPPOSE A PROJECT LIKE THIS, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE SEE THE WHOLE PICTURE FOR THOSE TWO HOMES, A LEASE BECAUSE IT LIKE CHAIR HANG SET, IT WE'RE CHOPPING UP THE HOUSE, BUT WE'RE NOT REALLY SEEING WHERE DRIVEWAY.
I MEAN, WE'RE STARTING, THINGS ARE GOING TO END UP AT, SO IF I MAY, UM, SO IT IS ONE OF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT THEY HAVE TO DEMOLISH AND REBUILD, UM, BEFORE, UM, THE RECORDING OF THE FINAL MAP.
SO THAT WILL COME THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THOSE PLANS FOR HOW THEY'RE GOING TO RECONFIGURE THE BUILDING.
BUT TRADITIONALLY THOUGH, WHEN THE SUBDIVISION THAT COMES INTO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WE DO GET TO SEE A PICTURE OF WHAT IS BEFORE NOW.
AND THEN WE ALSO GET TO SEE WHAT IS AFTERWARD BESIDES THE LINE THAT YOU JUST DRAW A PICTURE OF WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE PLANNING TO PUT UP THERE.
I MEAN, YOU HAVE A BIG LOT, IT'S A BIG LOT THAT IN TERMS OF CODING COMPLIANCE, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO SUBDIVIDE.
HOWEVER, WE LIKE TO BE ABLE TO ALSO SEE HOW THAT FIT INTO THE COMMUNITY IN THAT AREA.
THAT'S TRADITIONALLY BEEN A HUGE LOT.
NOW THAT YOU'RE SUBDIVIDING IT.
IT'S NICE TO SEE WHAT THE END RESULT WOULD BE LIKE.
THIS OTHER, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION WITH REGARD TO, UH, WITH REGARD TO LOT FIVE, UM, THE PROPOSED, I GUESS, NEW FRONT YARD, WHICH WOULD BE ON, UH, ON FRIEND DALE.
UM, WHAT WOULD BE THE SETBACK BETWEEN THE FRONT YARD AND THE STREET THERE? WHAT'S THE DISTANCE OR THE, THE REQUIRED FRONT YARD SETBACK WOULD BE 25 FEET.
I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT DISTANCE OF THE EXISTING HOME.
AND W DO WE KNOW FOR, FOR LOT SIX, WAS THAT IT WOULD BE THE SAME REQUIREMENT IN THE SETBACK OF 20TH.
I'M JUST SAYING WHAT IT, WHAT IT CURRENTLY IS THE CURRENT STRUCTURE ON THERE.
WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE SETBACK? BECAUSE IF, IF WE APPROVE THIS, I, MY CONCERN IS WE WOULD BE APPROVING BASICALLY.
NON-CONFORMING, UM, JUST SORT OF BY DEFAULT.
SO THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY QUESTION.
NOT FIVE SEEMS TO LOOK LIKE RIGHT NOW, IT'S THE SIZE SETBACK.
AND WITH THE SIZE SETBACK, IT'S ONLY REQUIRED FIVE FEET.
AND IT SEEMS, IT APPEAR LIKE WE'RE GUESSING RIGHT NOW, CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE DIMENSION.
SO I THINK THERE'S SOLAR PANEL ON THAT SECTION OF THE LINE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE PINK BUILDING AND A LITTLE BIT OF THERE MIGHT BE SOLAR PANEL AND THEN THERE'S A LITTLE GREEN TREE LINE OR BUSH.
SO I GUESS THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THOSE, I MEAN, WHAT IS REQUIRED 25 FEET? WHAT IS IT RIGHT NOW? LIKE WE CAN'T TELL FROM HERE.
UM, I THINK I ANSWER OKAY FOR LOT NUMBER FIVE AND NUMBER SIX, THE, THE SIZE SETBACK ON THAT LEAP, NOT A MEET THE REQUIREMENT AT THIS POINT.
SO WE ALL GOING TO PROVIDE A NECESSARY, UH, DESIGN TO MEET THE SETBACK.
BUT THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONDITION, UH, PLANNING WAS ASKING FOR IS BEFORE THE FINAL APPROVAL, BUT FULL FINAL MAP RECORDING, WE'RE GOING TO SHOW THEM THE NEW DESIGN OF THE NEW, THE EXISTING HOUSE.
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SO THIS WILL MEET ON THE SETBACK AND MEET THE FRONTAGE AND ALL THE, ALL THE THING THAT'S GOING TO BE SET INTO THOSE SLOTS.SO THAT, THAT IS ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE NEED TO PROVIDE TO PLANNING BEFORE WE GET THE FINAL, UM, YOU KNOW, APPROVAL, UM, OF, UH, OR RECORDING, WHATEVER.
AND, UM, I JUST WANT TO, USUALLY WE LIKE TO, UH, TO DESIGN THE HOUSE FOR THE NEW LOT, BUT MY, I HAVE A BAD EXPERIENCE WITH THE CITY OF WEST COVINA.
UM, ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO, BEFORE THE MATRIXX CRASH, WE PUT TOLLS, UH, SICK OR SEVEN LOSS IN ORANGE.
AND, UM, THE PLATE IS REALLY BIG A LOT.
AND THEN WE SPEND TIME AND YEARS, LIKE THREE TO FIVE YEARS, PROPOSE EVERYTHING PUT IN THE NEW HOUSE AND EVERYTHING.
AND THEN THE PLANNING OR, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COME AND OPPOSE THE PROJECT AND IT WAS LIKE, WE DIDN'T GET APPROVED.
SO WE SPEND LIKE FIVE YEARS PUTTING ALL THE MONEY DESIGN ON THE NEW HOUSE AND THEN FINALLY IT DIDN'T APPROVE.
AND, BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE FIGHTING AND EVERYTHING FOR A COUPLE MORE YEARS, LIKE TOTAL OF SEVEN YEARS, THEN WE GOT APPROVED, BUT THEN THE MARKET CRASH.
SO THE WHOLE PROJECT JUST WENT DOWN THE, THE, THE GROUP AND, AND UH, SOME OF MY PARTNER WENT BANKRUPTCY BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T AFFORD THE TIMING AND THE MARKET.
SO AT THIS POINT, WE'RE TRYING TO DEVELOP THE LOSS FIRST AND THEN GET AT LEAST THE INITIAL APPROVAL BEFORE WE S WE SPENT A LOT MORE TIME AND MONEY TO DEVELOP THE NEW HOUSE.
AND WE WANT TO WORK WITH THE CITY BECAUSE WE LOVE THE CITY AND WE WANT TO BRING A NEW HOUSE AND NEW ENVIRONMENT TO THE CITY.
SO, BUT THEN WE WANT TO GET AN INITIAL APPROVAL FIRST IN ORDER TO DEVELOP MORE MONEY, MORE TIME.
AND, AND IF I MAY SAY SOMETHING, SURE, GO AHEAD.
AND, AND TH AND, AND ALL, AND ALL YOUR TIME AND EFFORT THAT YOU'VE DONE IN, IN DEVELOPING AGAIN IN OUR CITY IS, IS REMARKABLE.
AND DO YOU THINK IT'S POSSIBLE? I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NOT A DIRECTION, BUT I'M JUST SAYING IN GENERAL, DO YOU THINK IF POSSIBLE THAT IF THE COMMISSION WAS ASKS FOR YOU TO RETURN TO THE NEXT MEETING, THAT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO, I KNOW IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE TO HAVE AN ARCHITECTURE TO DO DETAILED PLANS, BUT DO YOU THINK IT'S POSSIBLE AT LEAST FOR THE NEXT MEETING OR SOMETHING TO HAVE A, A ONE PAGE OR TWO PAGE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN OF HOW IT'S GOING TO LOOK FOR THE EXISTING HOUSE? YEAH, OF COURSE WE CAN HAVE IT.
IT JUST, IT'S HARD FOR US, FOR, FOR ME TO APPROVE SOME THINGS THAT THERE ARE MISSING PARTS.
IT'S ALL I SEE IS I UNDERSTAND THAT LOT IS LARGE AND YOU CAN POTENTIALLY SUBDIVIDE IT AND GET MORE LOTS OF IT.
HOWEVER, WE ALSO NEED TO KNOW HOW EVERYTHING IS BEING PUT TOGETHER.
SO THE END RESULT WE NORMALLY LIKE TO SEE FROM THE BEGINNING, THIS IS THE BEGINNING PORTION, BUT WE DON'T SEE THE END OF IT, BUT WHAT WILL IT, THE RESULT WILL, WHAT TYPE OF HOUSE ARE YOU PLANNING TO PUT? HOW ARE YOU AN IMPACT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? OR WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT AS WELL.
UM, OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN PUT A LOT OF MONEY AND OBVIOUSLY IT PROBABLY GOING TO BRING IN THE VALUE AND BRING IN THE DEVELOPMENT, BUT WE ALSO NEED TO KIND OF KNOW WHAT ARE WE APPROVING? SURE.
THAT'S RIGHT NOW, IT'S WE ONLY HEAR WHAT YOU SAY YOU'RE GOING TO FIX, AND YOU'RE GOING TO MOVE THINGS AROUND, BUT THAT'S VERBAL.
NORMALLY IT'S WE DO GET TO SEE, THEY KIND OF LAID THAT ALL OUT.
THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.
THIS IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO SUBDIVIDE IT.
AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BILL.
I WILL BE GLAD TO PROVIDE THE, UM, THE EXISTING STRUCTURE IN A WAY THAT WILL MEET THE, UM, THE REQUIREMENT.
AND, YOU KNOW, I WILL, UM, SUBMIT IT TO THE PLANNING FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAS QUESTIONS FOR APPLICANT? IF NOT, WE'RE GOING TO, UM, IF NOT, WE'RE GONNA OPEN FOR, UM, TO THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THOSE IN FAVORS.
PLEASE COME UP TO SPEAK ABOUT THE PROJECT.
IS ANYONE ELSE? DO WE HAVE ANY CARD ON THE ZOOM AS WELL? NO.
THOSE IN OPPOSE, CAN YOU PLEASE COME UP, PLEASE? DO WE HAVE A CARD,
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FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK YOU AND YOU FOR, FOR HAVING SOME STOPPING AND HAVING SOME REQUESTING SOME VISION BEFORE MAKING A JUDGMENT CALL.THIS SEEMS CART BEFORE THE WHEEL.
WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE? UM, AND IT'S FROM WHAT I READ, I BELIEVE LOT FIVE AND SIX AND ONE THROUGH FOUR WILL ALSO, OR COULD POSSIBLY HAVE ADU AS WELL.
NOT JUST SINGLE STORY HOMES, FROM WHAT I BELIEVE I MAY BE WRONG.
AND I THOUGHT I UNDERSTOOD THAT THE TWO EXISTING HOMES WERE GOING TO BE TORN DOWN.
SO, YES, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE VERY VAGUE HERE TONIGHT, BUT I APPLAUD THE QUESTIONS AND I APPLAUD YOU GUYS FOR HAVING WANTING SOME VISION AND FOR THE RESIDENTS TO BE ABLE TO SEE WITH YOU AND, AND HELP YOU AND HOPE.
HOPEFULLY YOU'LL MAKE THE BEST DECISION WHEN YOU DO HAVE IT.
DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE? CAN YOU PLEASE HELP US FILL OUT A CARD AS WELL? UM, I'M ALSO WITH HER.
I APPLAUD YOU FOR THE QUESTIONS AND I S THIRD, THE, YOU KNOW, THE EMOTION EMOTION ONE AND TWO, AND I'M THE THIRD LOTS OF CONCERNS.
AND YES, WE WOULD LOVE TO JUST HAVE A VISUAL OF WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE.
AND ESPECIALLY MY MAIN CONCERN IS THERE'S.
I HAVE LOTS OF CONCERNS AND I COMMENTED, LIKE I WAS THE LAST ONE OF THE LAST ONES.
MY HOUSE IS LOCATED RIGHT BEHIND NUMBER SIX, RIGHT ON THE SIDE.
SORRY, REALLY GOING TO AFFECT WHERE I LIVE.
CAN YOU USE THE MICROPHONE PLEASE? OH, SORRY.
I WANT TO START TURNING AROUND, LOOKING, LOOKING THAT WAY.
SO ANYWAY, ARE, WERE BEING IMPACTED.
NOT ONLY ME, ALL THE RESIDENTS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ON CRAIG DRIVE.
WE, I LIVE ON CRAIG AND I LIVE RIGHT BEHIND LOT SIX.
SO THAT'S GOING TO BE AN IMPACT.
NUMBER ONE, TO US, HOW IT'S GOING TO AFFECT OUR RESIDENTS THERE AND ALL THE OTHERS.
AND I TOTALLY OPPOSE A TWO STORY, TWO STORY HOMES THERE, BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO IMPEDE INTO THE PRIVACY OF WHERE I LIVE, MY BACKYARD AND MY POOL.
WE CONSTANTLY ARE IN OUR POOL WITH FAMILY.
WELL, NOT RECENTLY BECAUSE OF COVID, BUT THAT IS ALSO AN ISSUE FOR US.
AND, UM, JUST MORE RESIDENTS, MORE TRAFFIC, UM, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE TRAFFIC, MORE CARS, CHILDREN LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, THEY HAVE TO, THE PARENTS HAVE TO BE MORE CAUTIOUS OF WATCHING THEIR CHILDREN, UM, AT THIS POINT, BUT THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS FOR NOW.
AND YES, WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE VISUAL.
WE LOVE TO SEE WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE NO IDEA.
LIKE YOU SAY, IT'S BEING CHOPPED UP IN PIECES AND WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE.
AND I'M MY QUESTION ALSO IS SINCE I LIVE BEHIND LOT SIX, IS THERE GOING TO BE A FENCE BUILT, DIVIDING THAT LOT AND MY HOME AS WELL.
IS THAT GOING TO ALSO BE, ARE THEY GOING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT? CAUSE I HAVE A BIG LOT.
I LIVE MY LOT WHERE I LIVE IS ABOUT A LITTLE OVER A QUARTER OF AN ACRE.
SO THAT'S GOING TO BE A LONG DISTANCE OF FENCING THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO PUT UP OR WALL.
AND I, I JUST, I KNOW THIS IS JUST THE SUBDIVISIONS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO TRY TO APPROVE, BUT EVENTUALLY THEIR PROPOSALS ARE GOING TO BE TO ADD HOMES.
AND SO I JUST OPPOSE THAT AND THE TWO STORY HOMES, I HOPE YOU GUYS MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION.
UM, DO WE HAVE ANOTHER CARD I'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THIS PROJECT? ACTUALLY OPPOSE THIS PROJECT.
IF WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE ELSE COMING UP, WE'RE GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND OPEN FOR COMMISSION DISCUSSION.
YOU'RE HAVING, BECAUSE WE HAD PEOPLE SPEAKING IN OPPOSITION, WE SHOULD AFFORD THE APPLICANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THOSE SPEAKERS.
KEVIN, CAN YOU PLEASE COME BACK UP ONLY IF THEY HAVE COMMENTS AND RESPONSE TO THOSE SPEAKING IN OPPOSITION.
IB DIDN'T KNOW YOU'RE ON THE PHONE.
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THAT, UH, SHOWED THE CONCERN THAT SHOWED THAT, UH, THEY CARE ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.SO, UM, AS A DEVELOPER AND A RESIDENT OF WEST COVINA, I LIKE TO THANK THEM FOR THE, UM, UH, THE VOICE AND THE SUPPORTING, BUT, UM, TO MAKE THEIR CONCERN A LITTLE EASIER.
UH, WE ACTUALLY, UM, WIDENING THE STREET FOR, UH, I BELIEVE IT'S A FRIEND THERE, RIGHT? UH, WE, WE ACTUALLY DEDICATE, UH, EIGHT FEET UP OUR LOT TO THE STREET.
SO THE STREET GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIGGER AND ALSO WOULD LIKE TO MAINTAIN A WHATEVER UNIFORM FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
LET'S SAY ONE STORY, TWO STORY.
IT, PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE PRIVACY.
THEN WE WILL KEEP IT AS A ONE STORY.
AND WE LISTENED TO THE NEIGHBOR.
WE WANT TO MAKE THEM HAPPY AND THEIR VALUE.
THEY, UM, THE NEIGHBOR, UM, TO KEEP UP THE, THE, THE CONDITION OF THE PROPERTY BECAUSE, UM, THIS PROPERTY HAS NOT BEEN, UM, IT'S A BIG LOT, A LOT OF MAINTENANCE.
UH, THERE ARE TIMES THEY WIN 10 AND DO A LOT OF ILLEGAL STUFF THERE.
AND THAT WAS LIKE, UH, BEING CORRECTED.
AND, UM, ALSO, UH, WE'D LIKE TO DO WHATEVER PLANNING, BUILDING REQUIREMENT, LIKE IF THEY APPROVE FOR, THEY SAY THEY HEARD THE VOICE FROM THE NEIGHBOR, THEY DON'T WANT TO STORY.
WE'RE GOING TO DEVELOP ONE STORY AND THAT WILL EASE THEIR CONCERN.
SO WE WANT TO KEEP UP THE, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE COMMUNITY, AND AS, UH, LESS NOISE, IF WE DEVELOP, DEVELOP THEM WELL, WE'LL PROVIDE ANYTHING THAT MAKE THE, UM, THE NOISE TO THE MINIMUM.
AND THAT'S HOW WE ARE WE GOING TO DO.
IS THERE ANY COMMISSIONERS HAS QUESTIONS FOR OUR APPLICANT? OH, UM, SIR, I THINK THE EASEMENT THAT I WAS ASKING YOU ABOUT IS ON THE CRAIG DRIVE.
SACHER AND I THINK THAT'S THE ONE WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO PROVIDE 10 FOOT RIGHT.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF NOT, WE'RE GOING, GONNA CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AND OPEN FOR COMMISSION DISCUSSION.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, IF IT'S OKAY WITH STAFF, STAFF SCHEDULE TO BRING IT BACK TO THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING.
UH, I THINK THE APPLICANT FOR BEING WILLING TO, UH, PROVIDE A DETAIL, A SEMI DETAIL DRAWING COLOR OF HOW THOSE, UH, LOT FIVE AND SIX IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE THOSE HOMES.
UH, IF, UH, SORRY, I'M I MAKE A MOTION TO, SORRY.
I MAKE A MOTION TO BRING BACK THIS ITEM AT THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING ALSO, UM, WITH THE APPLICANTS, UH, COMMITMENT THAT HE WILL PROVIDE THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT IN THE VANCE DRAWING, UH, A ONE OR TWO PAGES DRAWING OF HOW HOUSES FIVE AND SIX, UH, WILL BE DEVELOP.
UH, SO THAT'S MY MOTION IF POSSIBLE.
I I'M I'M WITH YOU ON YOUR MOTION, BUT I WANT TO MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC, UH, SO THAT THE APPLICANT HAS SPECIFIC DIRECTIONS.
I WOULD, I WOULD CONCUR WITH THAT MOTION.
SO, SO LONG AS, AS LONG AS WE ADD SPECIFIC DIRECTION, INDICATING THAT WITH REGARD TO, UH, LOT SIX, WITH REGARD TO THE GARAGE, WE, UH, WE HAVE AN INDICATION ON WHERE THE GARAGE WILL BE PLACED AND HOW THE, HOW YOU'RE GOING TO, OR HOW THE APPLICANT WILL SET BACK THE, THE FRONTAGE ON THAT PROPERTY TO BE A CONFORMING USE.
THAT'S, THAT'S GOT A TWENTY-FIVE FOOT SETBACK OR LOT SIX, THE SAME THING WITH REGARD TO A LOT FIVE.
AND, UH, QUITE FRANKLY, HOW, HOW THE, HOW THE DRIVEWAY IS GOING TO WORK ON THAT.
GIVEN, GIVEN THE, UH, THE, THE CURRENT DESIGN OF THE HOME THERE, AND NOW I'M IN MY, I WILL AMEND MY MOTION TO REFLECT COMMISSIONER LOUIS'S, UH, ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, UH, AND HOPEFULLY ON MAYBE ON PAGE, ON PAGE ONE, IT COULD BE THE DRAWING OF THE WHOLE HOUSE.
AND THEN ON PAGE TWO, IT COULD REFLECT,
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UH, ALL THOSE SMALL DETAILS, UH, THAT COMMISSIONER LEWIS HAS REQUESTED.SO, YEAH, SIDEWALL I'M IN MY MOTION TO INCLUDE YOUR, I WILL SECOND IF I MAY.
UM, YEAH, WE CAN ASK THE APPLICANT IF HE WOULD BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE, UM, THAT FOR THE NEXT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, THE NEXT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING IS APRIL 27TH.
HOWEVER, WE WOULD NEED THE PLANTS NO LATER THAN MONDAY OF NEXT WEEK.
SO WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP AND ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I'LL STAFF HAVE FOR YOU? THANK YOU.
UM, STAFF IS TRYING TO PUT THIS NEXT MEETING ON THE 26 27 EX PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
HOWEVER, YOU ALSO NEED TO GET SOME OF THESE DOCUMENTS TO THE STAFF BY CERTAIN DATES AND, UM, JOANNE, UM, THE NEXT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING IS APRIL 27TH.
IN ORDER FOR YOU TO MAKE THAT APRIL 27TH PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE COMPLETE PLANS NO LATER THAN MONDAY THE 19TH OF APRIL.
UM, IF YOU CAN'T MAKE THAT DATE, THEN WE JUST HAVE TO MOVE IT TO ANOTHER DATE.
AND THE DATE AFTER THAT, UH, AFTER THE 27TH, UM, THE FOLLOWING PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING DATE IS MAY 11.
UM, I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE 11, SO THIS WAY WE'LL, UM, GET MY, UM, DESIGNER ARCHITECTURE, UM, A LITTLE MORE TIME TO WORK ON IT AND TO MEET SOME OF THE, UH, UH, SITE PLAN AND, YOU KNOW, SOME, A THING THAT DETAIL.
SO IT WOULD BE BETTER TO MEET AGAIN AT BANK ON, UH, MAY 11.
SO I WILL, UH, UP HERE, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANTS.
SO WE GOT ON THE OTHER FOUR LOT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE SUBDIVIDING RIGHT NOW.
ARE YOU ALSO PLANNING TO DEVELOP MEANING BUILD IT ONCE YOU GET THE LOCK DEVICE? YES.
UH, WE LIKE TO DEVELOP, UM, UH, ONCE WE GET THE, UM, TENTATIVE MAP APPROVAL AND, UM, UH, THAT, THAT THE, THAT IS IN OUR PLAN.
FOR, UM, HERE WE HAVE THE MOTION.
HANG, CAN YOU GIVE ME YES, I CAN HEAR YOUR SHARING AND MISSIONARY.
THIS IS YOUR ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
JOANNE, COULD YOU PLEASE CLARIFY FOR THE APPLICANT IN ORDER TO MEET THE MAY 11TH DATE BY WHAT DATE WOULD YOU NEED TO RECEIVE THE ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION SECOND? UM, WE WOULD NEED IT BY MAY 3RD.
UM, IT SHOULD BE, UM, SUBMITTED TO US BY, BY APRIL 28TH, APRIL, I WOULD SAY APRIL 28TH AND BY NOON THAT'S OKAY.
SO I'D LIKE TO AMEND MY MOTION TO REFLECT THE NEW DATES, WHICH WILL BE THAT THE APPLICANT WILL PROVIDE, UH, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT BUILDS ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION BY APRIL 28TH.
SO IT CAN BE INCLUDED ON THE MAY 11 WEST GALENA PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
WELL, WITH THE, UM, WITH THE MOTIONS, I ALSO LIKE TO ADD THE FACT THAT, UM, I LIKE TO SEE THE WHOLE SUBDIVISIONS AND HOW THE END RESULT IS.
I UNDERSTAND THAT HE IS FIXING THE TWO LOTS THAT HAS EXISTING HOUSE, BUT I ALSO, SINCE HE IS DEVELOPING, I ALSO LIKE TO SEE, WHAT IS HE PLANNING? WHAT IS HE PUTTING ON THOSE TWO LOTS? I MEAN, SURE.
I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT TO THE MOTION, SHARE HANGING NUMBERS OF THE COMMISSION THAT IS LIKELY OUT OF THE SCOPE OF THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION, WHICH IS SIMPLY FOR THE SUBDIVISION.
UM, IT DOES, WE HAVE PROPOSED CONDITIONS RELATING TO HOW THE EXISTING PROPERTIES OR EXISTING STRUCTURES WILL BE TREATED.
UM, AND I UNDERSTAND THE COMMISSION'S CONCERNS ABOUT WANTING TO SEE WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE, BUT YOU KNOW, THIS ITEM IS NOT RELATING TO THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THOSE OTHER LOT.
SO THE ATTORNEY, OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION WE HAVE, DO WE HAVE A SECOND WITH THEM IN COURT? CORRECT.
SO, UM, PAULINA WE'LL CALL PLEASE.
UH, CAN I JUST MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR ON WHAT WE'RE MOTIONING ON? UM, SO, UH, WE'RE MOTIONING TO TAKE IT TO THE MAY 11TH PLANNING, COMMISSION IT WITH THE REQUIREMENT THAT THEY SUBMIT BY APRIL 28TH
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BY NOON.UM, THEY'RE GOING TO INCLUDE PLANS TO REGARDING THE RECONFIGURATION OF THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON LOTS, SIX AND FIVE.
HOW THE, UM, UH, TWO, UH, BUILDING PORTIONS THAT ARE GOING TO BE DEMOLISHED, HOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE RECONFIGURED AND HOW THEY'RE GOING TO MEET THE FRONT SETBACK REQUIREMENTS ALONG THE, OR NEW RECONFIGURED FRONT YARD.
AND I'M THE RELOCATION OF THE AND RELOCATION OF THE GARAGE.
UH, SO ROLL CALL, COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS. AYE.
UH, COMMISSIONER GUTIERREZ, COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER LEWIS, COMMISSIONER, SARAH, UH, CHAIR, HANG I AM MOTION PASSES FIVE.
THIS ACTION IS FINAL UNLESS IT'S ACTUALLY, WE'RE MOVING IT TO THE NEXT MEETING.
[4. CODE AMENDMENT NO. 20-08]
WELL, GOING ON TO THE NEXT PUBLIC HEARING PULLED AMENDMENT NUMBER 20 DASH OH EIGHT GENERAL EXEMPTION APPLICANT IS MLC HOLDINGS, CITY OF WEST COVINA PLANNING COMMISSION INITIATE LOCATION IS DOWNTOWN PLAN AREA BECAUSE THE PROPOSED CODE AMENDMENT CONSISTS OF POTENTIAL AMENDMENTS TO THE DOWNTOWN PLAN AND CODE AMENDMENT STANDARDS, WHICH ARE PART OF THE WEST COVINA MUNICIPAL CODE.DOWNTOWN PLAN INCLUDES THE CIVIC CENTER AREA, CAMERON AVENUE PLAZA, WEST COMINA AND VINCENT AVENUE GLENDORA AVENUE.
THE PROPOSED CODE AMENDMENT IS EXEMPT ON THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT.
CQL PURSUANT TWO SECTIONS, 1506 ONE B THREE, JOANNE, WHO WILL BE PRESENTING THE REPORT.
JOANNE WILL BE PRESENT TO THE REPORT AND WE'LL BE PRESENTING THE STAFF REPORT.
I'LL GO AHEAD AND BEGIN THE PRESENTATION WITH SOME, A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND INFORMATION.
UM, THE CITY, UM, THE DOWNTOWN PLANNING CODE WAS FIRST ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL ON DECEMBER 20TH, 2016.
IT WAS THEN, UH, AMENDED ON AUGUST 21ST, 2018 AND AUGUST AND DECEMBER 18, 2018.
THE FIRST AMENDMENT WAS CONSIDERED A CLEANUP AMENDMENT WHILE THE, THE SECOND AMENDMENT, UM, DEALT WITH ADJUSTMENTS IN THE PARKING STANDARDS ON SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2020 STAFF REQUEST RECEIVED THE REQUEST BARCODE AMENDMENT FOUR FROM MLC HOLDINGS.
THIS REQUEST WAS THEN PRESENTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON OCTOBER 13, 2020, IN WHICH THE PLANNING COMMISSION INITIATED THE, THE CODE AMENDMENT.
I'LL GO AHEAD AND GO OVER SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT IS BEING PROPOSED.
UM, FOR PART FOUR, SECTION 4.2 IN SUBSECTION 4.2 C IN THE DOWNTOWN PLAN UNDER JENNER AND THE UNDER T4 GENERAL ORBAN ZONE.
UM, CURRENTLY THERE IS A ROUND FLOOR MINIMUM IN UPPER STORY'S MINIMUM HEIGHT REQUIREMENT.
AND THIS REQUIREMENT IS CURRENTLY JUST A F UM, A FLAT HEIGHT REQUIREMENT FOR AND PIES FOR BOTH COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS.
SO IN THIS, IN THE PROPOSED DRAFT CODE AMENDMENT, WE ARE REQUESTING THAT, THAT THE CO UM, THAT CODE DIFFERENT DIFFERENTIATE THE MINIMUM GROUND FLOOR HEIGHT, OR BETWEEN, UM, COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
THE HEIGHT FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IS TYPICALLY THE PLATE HEIGHT FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IS TYPICALLY LOWER IN THAN THAT OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
SO INITIALLY WE THOUGHT WE PROPOSE A HIGHER PLATES, HEIGHT, OR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS, AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A LOWER, UM, PLATE HEIGHT FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OR, UM, SO, OR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT SPACE.
UM, CURRENTLY IT'S AT 12 FEET OR BOTH COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL IN FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
THE PROPOSAL IS TO LOWER THAT TO 10 FEET IN HEIGHT IN FOR COMMERCIAL.
WE ARE PROPOSING IT TO, UH, WE ARE, WE WERE INITIALLY PROPOSING IT TO MAKE THAT PLATE HEIGHT HIGHER.
AN EXAMPLE OF AN EXAMPLE OF, UM,
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THE NEED FOR THE, THE LOWERING OF THE PLATE HEIGHT ON CAN BE SEEN IN THE PHOTOGRAPH ON THE, ON THE RIGHT.UH, THIS IS, UH, THIS IS, UH, UH, UH, MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN ANOTHER CITY.
AS YOU CAN SEE THE PLATE HEIGHT FOR THE GROUND FLOOR IS, IS HIGHER THAN THE PLATE HEIGHT FOR THE SECOND FLOOR.
UM, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, UM, IT JUST FROM APPEARANCE AND AESTHETICS, IT MAKES IT MAKES IT LOOK AND, UM, UNBALANCED AND LOOK ODD IN A SENSE, UM, TYPICALLY FOR COMMERCIAL, FOR AN URBAN SETTING COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, UM, THE PLATE HEIGHT IS TYPICALLY HIGHER.
IT IS TO ACCOMMODATE THE, THE REQUIRED HIGHER CEILING HEIGHT FOR, OR RETAIL, UM, RETAIL STORES.
ANOTHER, UM, PROPOSED CHANGE IS TO CHANGE THE MINT, UM, THE MINIMUM DEPTH OR, OR PRIVATE OPEN SPACE.
CURRENTLY THE MINIMUM DEPTH AND WIDTH OR PRIVATE OPEN SPACE IS EIGHT FEET.
UM, AND IT ALSO CLARIFIES THAT THE MINIMUM AREA FOR PRIVATE OPEN SPACE IS A CUMULATIVE 100 SQUARE FEET, 100 SQUARE FEET B.
THE OTHER CHANGE IS TO CLARIFY THE, THAT THE, UM, AVERAGE WITH A ROPE OR, OR EACH ROW UNIT, UM, IS THE REQUESTED 16 FEET MINIMUM.
AND CURRENTLY THE MINIMUM IS 18 FEET IN WIDTH.
AND THAT CLARIFIES STAFF OUT OF THE CLARIFICATION FOR UNITS MAINLY BECAUSE MAINLY BECAUSE A ROW HOUSE CAN BE IN B, UM, CAN BE PROPOSED AS ONE SINGLE ROWHOUSE BUILDING WITH ONE UNIT, OR IT CAN BE PROPOSED AS ONE, ONE ROW HOUSE BUILDING WITH FIVE DIFFERENT UNITS AT ONE, UM, BEING PROPOSED AT ONCE.
SO THAT, THAT CLARIFICATION THAT YOU NEED CLARIFICATION WAS ADDED BY STAFF, UM, AS IT IS ADDED, AS IT IS CURRENTLY BEING PRACTICED, THIS VIS THIS WAY ANOTHER, UM, ANOTHER CHANGE IS, UM, DELETING THE MINIMUM WITH FOUR STOOP.
CURRENTLY THE MINIMUM WITH, FOR STUPID FIVE FEET IN THE MINIMUM DEPTH FOR STOOPS IS EIGHT FEET MATH.
SO WE ARE REMOVING, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE CROSSED OUT IN THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION, BUT WE'RE REMOVING THE MINIMUM, THE MATH, THE MAXIMUM DEPTH AND WIDTH, OR ARE STUDENTS, AND TO THE RIGHT OF THE TEXT IS A PHOTOGRAPH OF AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT A STOOP IS.
ANOTHER CHANGE THAT THAT IS BEING PROPOSED.
AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT STAFF NOTICED IN THE DOWNTOWN PLAN.
THERE ARE CERTAIN, THERE ARE CERTAIN STRUCTURES, UM, OR DEVELOPMENT TYPES SUCH AS THE ROW HOUSE AND LIVE WORK DEVELOPMENT WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT IT'S TYPICALLY FOUND IN A MEDIUM NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, DENSITY AND STAFF IS PROPOSING TO REMOVE THIS LANGUAGE MAINLY BECAUSE DENSITY IS IDENTIFIED IN THE GENERAL PLAN IT'S TO AVOID ANY CONFUSION AND CONSISTENCIES IN THE FUTURE WITH THIS STAFF HAS RECOMMENDING THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 21 DASH TWO ZERO OH SIX ZERO SEVEN SIX, RECOMMENDING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPT OR APPROVE THE CODE AMENDMENT.
IF THE CITY, IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS ANY QUESTIONS, THE STAFF IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ALSO, UM, THE APPLICANT IS HERE, UM, TO PROVIDE BEAR PRESENTATION AS WELL.
UM, DOES ANY COMMISSIONER HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? UM, I ACTUALLY DO.
JOANNE, CAN YOU PULL OUT THE REQUIREMENTS AGAIN? I'M SORRY
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FOR WHICH SLIDE? UM, I'M NOT SURE.DID HE WANT THIS ONE OR, UM, CAN YOU PUT IT ON THE TV SCREEN RIGHT HERE? THAT'S PRETTY.
I GUESS THAT ONE SEEMS TO BE FINE.
UM, YOU WERE TRYING TO TELL US THAT COMMERCIAL, YOU INCREASE IT TWO FEET AND A LOT OF TIME COMMERCIAL BUILDING, IT WAS BUILT JUST A BOX AND THEN A LOT OF TIME, THEY ALSO NEED TO DROP DOWN THE CEILING A LITTLE BIT TO GET ALL THE EQUIPMENTS, LIKE THE ACS AND ALL THE OTHER EQUIPMENTS IN THERE.
SO THAT'S WHY THEY NEED THE HIGHER HEIGHTS.
SO NOW YOU'RE SEPARATING INTO RESIDENTIAL SECTIONS AND COMMERCIAL SECTION.
YOU JUST WANT A MINIMUM DROP THE HEIGHTS TO 10 FEET AND THEN THE UPPER FLOORS ALSO 10 FEET.
UM, THAT PORTION, UM, CAN YOU MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE, CARROT SPACING.
SO, WHEREAS AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU'RE STILL GETTING A HUNDRED SQUARE FOOT, BUT THE MINIMUM IS SIX.
I WAS WONDERING WHY THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE.
UM, THE BUILDING SIZE AND MASK.
UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE WHOLE HOUSE, LET'S SAY IF YOU STACK ALL THE HOUSES TOGETHER, AND IF YOU'RE PUTTING FIVE HOUSES NEXT TO EACH OTHER, NOW YOU WANT TO MOVE FROM 18, 18 FOOT WIDE THAT TRADITIONALLY PROBABLY FIT ONE CAR OR TWO CAR GARAGE.
I BELIEVE THAT TRADITIONAL ROLL HOUSE IS NORMALLY BUILT WITH A GARAGE AND THEN KITCHEN LIVING SPACE.
AND THEN THE UPPER FLOOR IS THE BEDROOM.
SO I GUESS THE QUESTION IS IF WE WERE TO BE DUES IT TO SIX, 18 FEET, AND USUALLY IS ONLY ONE CAR CAN FIT IN THERE BECAUSE THREE FEET OR FOUR FEET WILL BE TAKEN BY THE STAIR.
SO WE'LL BACK TO ABOUT AND DO THE MATH.
IT'S A LITTLE LATE, I GUESS, PROBABLY TALL FEET WIDE.
SO REALLY TALL FEET BY DOES THAT.
SO I'M A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
UM, THE PRIVATE, THE PRIVATE SPACE.
AND THEN, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY IF IT'S A RURAL, HOW IT'S TIGHT, WE NOT ONLY HAVE TO PUT THE GARAGE IN THERE, BUT THE, THE TRASH CAN AS WELL AS ALL THAT HAS TO BE COMPACTED IN THERE SOMEHOW.
I'M NOT SURE HOW, UM, BY REDUCING IT, UM, THAT'S, THAT CAN BE A CONCERN.
UM, NOW THE SIX FEET DEPTH IN TERMS OF MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE, IF I UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY, JOANNE, IT'S A HUNDRED FOOT CUMULATIVE, BUT THEY JUST WANT TO REDUCE THE DEPTH TO SIX FEET.
SO THEY'RE MAKING IT WIDER TO GET THE HUNDRED FEET I'LL BUY THE WHOLE 16 TIMES SIX, I WOULD SAY, DOES THAT ADD UP TO A HUNDRED? SO, SO IT'S A LITTLE LATE, BUT, UM, JUST REMIND ME THE APPLICANT COULD ANSWER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS TOO.
SO THE APPLICANT WOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER YOUR FIRST QUESTION, UM, SINCE THEY ARE PROPOSING THE, UM, TO, TO MAKE SURE THE, THE WIDTH OF THE ROW HOUSE UNITS FROM 18 FEET TO 16 FEET.
SO THEY, THEY HAVE A PRESENTATION, THEY HAVE A PRESENTATION PREPARED TO, TO EXPLAIN TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WHY THEY FEEL THAT IT'S NECESSARY OR NEEDED.
AND AS FAR AS THE, UH, PRIVATE OPEN SPACE IS IT'S CONSIDERED THE 100, 100 SQUARE FEET IS A CHEMO.
UM,
UM, IF THEY HAVE A BALCONY AND, AND THE PRIVATE OPEN SPACE ON THE FIRST FLOOR, LIKE A LITTLE PET, THE PET, THE LITTLE PET PATIO AREA ADDED TOGETHER.
SO THE CUMULATIVE, UM, OF THOSE TWO AREAS, IF, IF THEY HAVE TWO SEPARATE AREAS FOR PREP ACCOMMODATING THEIR PRIVATE OPEN SPACE, IT WOULD BE THOSE TWO AREAS ADDED TOGETHER.
THEY CAN, LIKE THE STOOP AREA CAN BE THE 50 SQUARE FOOT, AND THEN THE UPSTAIRS BALCONY AREA CAN BE ANOTHER 50 SQUARE.
AND THEN THEY ADD UP TO A HUNDRED THAT'S CORRECT.
AND ALSO THE MINIMUM, THE MINIMUM DEPTH REQUIREMENT, UM, IT'S IT'S TO ACCOMMODATE, UH, PRIVATE, UH, PRIVATE OPEN SPACE AREA THAT IS LOCATED ON A BALCONY.
SO TYPICALLY BELL BALCONIES DON'T PROTRUDE AS ORDERED AS MUCH.
UM, SO IT'S SO THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT, UM, PRIVATE OPEN SPACE LOCATED ON A BALCONY, BUT THE, THE APPLICANT, UM, HAS SOME, SOME VISUALS THAT, THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO.
BUT ALSO JOIN THOUGH, THIS NOT ONLY AFFECT THE APPLICANT TONIGHT.
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UM, IT'S CLAIMS LIKE WE WERE LOOKING AT THE ENTIRE DOWNTOWN PLANT ONCE WE MAKE THE CHANGES.IT'S, IT'S, IT'S REALLY, WE'RE TAKING IN FACT THE ENTIRE DOWNTOWN, UM, REGION.
SO I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ALL THAT.
UM, CAN YOU PULL BACK THE SCREEN AGAIN TO SEE IF THERE'S ANOTHER SCREENS UP? I HAVE QUESTIONS ON, BECAUSE BASICALLY FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS THAT IT'S NOT AFFECTING CURRENT OR YES, IT DOES.
IT AFFECT THE APPLICANT POTENTIAL APPLICANT, BUT IT ALSO, IN FACT, THE ENTIRE CITY IS DOWNTOWN.
SO WHATEVER, WHOEVER COMES AFTER THIS, IF PEOPLE WERE TO APPROVE IT OR THE CITY COUNCILS APPROVE IT, WE RECOMMEND FOR CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE IT.
THAT'S HOW OUR DEVELOPMENT WILL TURN OUT FROM NOW ON.
SO THE, THE, WITH THE EIGHT FOOT, SO YOU'RE, THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT SMALLER AND THE FRONT, THE STOOP AREA.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS IF THE HOUSE IS GOING THREE STORY UP AND WE ONLY HAVE FIVE FEET, I MEAN, IS IT RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE WHEN YOU'RE WALKING ON THE SIDEWALK? UM, NO DINING TO WALK ON THE SIDEWALK, UM, THIS, THE SOUP, THE SOUP AREA THERE, THEY ARE NOT TRYING TO MAKE IT SMALLER.
CAUSE RIGHT NOW THERE'S A BIGGER, THERE IS A, UM, MINIMUM FIVE FEET AND, AND A MAXIMUM AREA.
SO YOU CAN'T BASICALLY, YOU CAN'T HAVE, YOU CAN'T HAVE A STEP AREA THAT'S WIDER AND DEEPER THAN THEN EIGHT FEET IS EIGHT FEET AS A MAX.
IT'S SUPPOSED TO, THIS SECTION IS SUPPOSED TO BE A CROSS OUT, NONE IN THE LINE.
IT WAS A MISTAKE, BUT YES, RIGHT.
CURRENTLY WE HAVE A MINIMUM AND A MAXIMUM, SO WE, UM, THE PROPOSAL IS TO GET RID OF THE MAXIMUM APPLICANTS.
THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING ALL THAT QUESTIONS AND, AND I GUESS, UM, YEAH.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAS QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? IF NOT, WE'RE GOING TO OPEN UP TO PUBLIC, UM, HEARING.
I DON'T SEE ANYONE WHO HAS QUESTIONS.
WE'LL OPEN FOR PUBLIC HEARING AND WE'RE HERE TESTIMONY FROM THE APPLICANT AND THEN THOSE IN FAVOR, AND THEN THOSE APPLES.
HANG, UH, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THIS CODE AMENDMENT REQUEST BEFORE YOU TODAY.
I'M A PROJECT MANAGER WITH MERITAGE HOMES.
UM, I'D LIKE TO TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO THANK STAFF.
JOANNE DID A GREAT JOB EXPLAINING SOME OF THOSE ITEMS AND SHARE, HANG I I'D, I'D LIKE TO, UH, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF SLIDES.
I THINK THAT WILL HELP EXPLAIN SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO I'D LIKE TO TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO THANK STAFF FOR AN EXTREMELY THOROUGH STAFF REPORT.
UM, AS I MENTIONED, I WORKED FOR MERITAGE HOMES.
WE BUILT THE CAMERON 56 PROJECT IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH IT, IT'S, UH, LOCATED ON WEST CAMERON AND TO LUCA AVENUE.
UM, UH, SO FOR THAT, WE RECEIVED OUR FULL ENTITLEMENTS, UH, UNANIMOUS APPROVAL, YOU KNOW, AND WE WORKED CLOSELY WITH THE NEIGHBORS.
WE MADE SURE THAT EVERYONE WAS KEPT IN THE LOOP.
UM, SO THANKFULLY, UH, YOU KNOW, NO ONE SPOKE TO A POST THE PROJECT, UM, THAT WAS BACK IN 2018.
UM, AND, AND I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF SHARE AS A FUN FACT FOR THAT PROJECT.
UM, WE JUST RECENTLY SOLD OUT OF THAT COMMUNITY AND, UH, AND WE, WE FOUND OUT THAT ABOUT HALF OF THE HOMES THAT WERE SOLD, UM, WERE SOLD TO, UH, FIRST RESPONDERS TO TEACHERS, POLICE OFFICERS, BYRON MEN.
UM, SO I, YOU KNOW, I JUST, I JUST BRING THAT UP ONLY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY WERE WE ABLE TO FILL A NEED WITHIN THE CITY IN TERMS OF, UM, PROVIDING HOUSING IN THIS PART OF THE CITY, UM, WE WERE ALSO ABLE TO PROVIDE HOUSING TO A VERY CRUCIAL DEMOGRAPHICS.
SO THAT WAS KIND OF A COOL LITTLE FUN FACT THAT I WANTED TO SHARE.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, JUST TO REITERATE, WE'RE REALLY HAPPY TO BE IN THE CITY OF WEST COVINA.
UM, JOANNA, JUST IF WE COULD JUST PULL UP THIS.
SO, UM, I WANTED TO QUICKLY RUN THROUGH SOME OF THE RENTERS THAT WE PUT TOGETHER FOR THE, UH, WEST CAMERON PROJECT, THIS, THIS PROJECT.
AND I HAVE A SITE PLAN AT THE END OF THIS, UH, UH, POWERPOINT.
UM, BUT THIS PRODUCT IS 84, UH, THREE STORY TOWN HOMES LOCATED DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE CAMERON 56 PROJECT.
UM, SO THE, HERE'S AN IMAGE OF, UH, OF THESE TOWNHOMES FROM WEST CAMERON SHOWING WHAT THOSE STOOPS WOULD LOOK LIKE, HOW THE LANDSCAPING IS WORKING.
UM, AND AS YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, THE, UH, THE STOOPS WE NEEDED TO ELIMINATE THAT MAXIMUM, UH, WITH REQUIREMENT FOR THE STOOPS IN ORDER TO, TO PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, FULL LENGTH STOOPS HERE, UH,
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AS, AS SHOWN IN, IN THE, IN THE ILLUSTRATION.UM, COULD WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE AND HERE'S IDEA EVENING SHOT OF THE ENTRANCE OF THE WEST CAMERON PROJECT.
AND AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THE STOOPS WITH, WITH THE, UH, LANDSCAPING PROPOSED, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S SIMILAR IN TERMS OF THE ARCHITECTURE THREE STORY TOWN HOMES, SIMILAR TO THE CAMERON 56, BUT ALSO ADJUSTED SPECIFIC FOR THIS SIDE, NOT THE SAME ARCHITECTURE, IT'S NOT THE SAME PRODUCT IT'S, IT'S ALTERED SPECIFIC FOR THIS COMMUNITY.
AND WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT IT.
AND HERE'S AN IMAGE OF, OF ONE OF THE PASEOS, UM, KIND OF LOOKING DOWN INTO THE SPACE AND YOU CAN SEE HOW THE PRIVATE OPEN SPACES IS WORKING, UM, HOW PEOPLE, HOW FOLKS CAN UTILIZE THE PRIVATE OPEN SPACE ON THE SECOND STORY, UH, AS WELL AS, AS WELL AS THE GROUND FLOOR BETWEEN, BETWEEN THE PASEOS COMMUNITY NEXT LINE.
SO IN TERMS OF THE, UH, REQUEST TO REDUCE THE WIDTH OF THE TOWNHOMES TWOS, UH, FROM 18 FEET TO 16 FEET, WHAT WE DEVELOPED AND, AND IT'S, IT'S A VERY POPULAR TOWNHOME PRODUCT, UM, THAT WE'RE THERE, WE'RE PLANNING THROUGHOUT COMMUNITIES ALL THROUGHOUT SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA.
UM, IT'S, IT'S AN INTERLOCKING TOWN HOME, SO IT'S A TOWN HOME, IT'S A TANDEM UNIT DIRECTLY NEXT TO A SIDE-BY-SIDE GARAGE.
UM, AND WHAT THIS DOES IS YOU'RE, YOU'RE ABLE TO REDUCE THE WIDTH ULTIMATELY, AND, YOU KNOW, GREAT EFFICIENCIES IN TERMS OF DENSITY, BUT YOU'RE ALSO ABLE TO PROVIDE, UH, MORE STORAGE FOR, FOR THE TANDEM UNIT, WHICH WAS KEY.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUY A UNIT LIKE THAT, YOU WANT, YOU WANT ENOUGH STORAGE.
SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE, THE REQUEST TO SHOW, UM, HOW THIS UNIT IS, IS WORKING.
AND IF, IF WE WERE ABLE TO PROVIDE JUST, UM, STRAIGHT TOWNHOME, YOU KNOW, 18 MINIMUM, 18, BUT, UH, Y TOWNHOMES SIDE-BY-SIDE, YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO PROVIDE ENOUGH, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, OF THAT STORAGE AREA.
SO THIS, THIS IS, THIS IS OUR SOLUTION TO, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY INCREASED DENSITY, BUT TO, TO INCREASE THE STORAGE CAPACITY THERE.
UM, AND CAN WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF, OF, OF WHERE THOSE TOWNHOMES ARE WITHIN THAT FLOOR PLAN.
SO IT'S AN INTERLOCKING TOWNHOME THAT'S REPEATED, UM, EVERY TWO.
SO IT SHOWS YOU, AND THEN FROM, IN TERMS OF THE FORM-BASED CODE AND THE DOWNTOWN PLAN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT FROM AN ELEVATION, STILL LOOKS LIKE A TRADITIONAL TOWNHOME, BUT THE REALITY IS, IS THAT THE ARCHITECTURE WITH INSIDE IS THE WALLS ARE ZIG-ZAGGING AROUND TO ACCOMMODATE FOR A TRADITIONAL TWO CAR GARAGE AND A TANDEM UNIT.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT IN THE REAR ELEVATION, WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
SO FOR THE UPPER FLOOR DECKS, UM, I JUST WANTED TO READ, UH, UH, UH, UH, AN EXCERPT FROM THE DOWNTOWN PLAN.
UM, DOWNTOWN PLAN STATES, THE PRIMARY BUILDING SITS AT THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY WITH THE GARAGE AT THE REAR SEPARATED FROM THE PRIMARY BUILDING BY A REAR YARD.
UM, SO FOR THIS DEFINITION, AS, AS WRITTEN FOR THE DOWNTOWN PLAN, THAT'S TYPICALLY FOUND IN OLDER, LOWER DENSITY TYPE TOWNHOME COMMUNITIES.
UM, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IN MY OPINION, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF AN OUTDATED MODEL, UM, IN BUILDERS TODAY, AREN'T, AREN'T BUILDING THAT WAY.
UM, WE'RE TRYING TO BE AS EFFICIENT WITH THE SPACES AS POSSIBLE.
UM, YOU KNOW, ALSO RESIDENTS AREN'T LOOKING TO WHEN IT'S RAINING, THEY DON'T WANT TO WALK FROM THE GARAGE TO, TO THE, THE ACTUAL HOME.
UM, IT, IT MAKES A LOT MORE SENSE TO, UM, TO HAVE THAT, TO HAVE THAT SPACE CONNECTED WITHIN, WITHIN THE ACTUAL BUILDING.
UM, THE REQUEST FOR THE, UH, UH, THE REQUEST FOR THE, THE OPEN FOR THE PRIVATE OPEN SPACE IS TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN SPLIT IT BETWEEN THE GROUND FLOOR AND THEN THE UPPER FLOORS, SO THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, AS WRITTEN IT'S, IT'S REALLY MORE INTENDED FOR THE GROUND FLOOR AND THEY WERE EXPECTING TO HAVE AN EIGHT BY EIGHT FOOT SQUARE, BASICALLY.
UM, AND SO WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS, IS, IS SPLIT THAT OPEN SPACE UP.
UM, AND, AND IN A LOT OF CITIES, AS WE'VE MENTIONED HERE TO, UH, TO BREAK THAT OPEN SPACE UP AND TO PROVIDE FOR SOME BALCONY SPACE ON THE SECOND STORY, OR THE THIRD STORY, DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF PRODUCT.
AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE WE HAVE THE LIVING FLOOR, THE LIVING SPACE ON THE SECOND STORY.
UM, SO WE WOULD LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, ACCOUNT FOR THAT PRIVATE OPEN SPACE ON THE LIVING, UH, LEVEL AS WELL.
WE GO TO THE NEXT FLOOD, AND THEN THIS JUST KIND OF SHOWS YOU, UM, IN TERMS OF, UH, CHERISH, HANG FOR YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE, UM, Y Y REQUESTS FROM, FROM EIGHT FEET TO SIX FEET.
IT'S, IT'S A CONSTRUCTABILITY, UM, PROBLEM
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THAT WE HAVE, IF, IF, IF, IF THIS IS GOING TO BE ON THE, IF THIS OPEN SPACE IS ON THE SECOND STORY, EVERY FOOT MATTERS IN TERMS OF, UH, KIND OF LABORING THAT BALCONY OUT.AND IF, IF WE CAN PROVIDE A SIX FOOT MINIMUM DIMENSION, UM, WE'RE ACTUALLY ABLE TO PROVIDE MORE OPEN SPACE, BOTH ON THE GROUND FLOOR AND THE UPPER FLOOR, UH, TO, TO EXCEED THAT A HUNDRED SQUARE FOOT, UM, AMOUNT.
AND THIS IS JUST SHOWS YOU ON, ON EACH OF THE FLOOR PLANS, HOW THAT OPEN SPACE IS BEING UTILIZED, AND YOU CAN SEE KIND OF HOW THE FURNITURE WOULD BE LAID OUT.
AND THIS IS JUST AS AN ASIDE, THE, THE, THE PRODUCT THAT WE BUILT IN CAMERA 56 SOLD OUT AS EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL.
UM, IT ALSO PROVIDED FOR A MINIMUM BALCONY SPACE.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS UNDER THE, UH, THE, THE CURRENT EIGHT FOOT MINIMUM.
I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO REITERATE, WE'RE REALLY HAPPY TO BE WITHIN THE, BE HERE IN THE CITY OF WEST COVINA AND, AND, UM, YEAH, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, I DO HAVE A CONCERN THAT THE CITY HAD GONE THROUGH THE TIME OF HAVING COMMUNITY MEETINGS, WHICH ALLOWED FOR A GENERAL PLAN AND DIFFERENT CHANGES THAT THEY MADE TO ENCOURAGE MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
AND I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT IT DOES APPEAR THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING US TO DO IS TO CRAFT SOMETHING THAT PERHAPS MEETS YOUR COMPANY'S DESIRES AND NEEDS, UM, WITH YOUR CAMERA IN 56, DID YOU HAVE TO APPLY FOR A SPECIFIC PLAN IN ORDER TO LAY IT OUT THE WAY THAT YOU HAVE CONSTRUCTED IT? UH, NO.
WITH, WITH THAT PROJECT, WE, WE DID NOT HAVE TH TH THE DOWNTOWN PLAN WAS, WAS NEWLY FORMED.
UM, SO WE WERE, WE WERE CONSISTENT WITH THE DOWNTOWN PLAN AT THAT, AT THAT POINT.
SO FOR THAT YOU'RE PROVIDING AT LEAST A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET OF USABLE YARD AREA, BUT IT WASN'T CUMULATIVE IT, IT WAS CUMULATIVE.
SO HOW DID YOU PROVIDE THAT AT THE 56? IT, IT WAS, UH, AS FAR AS I'M AWARE, IT WAS AN INTERPRETATION WITH THE CODE WITH THE PREVIOUS, UH, PLANNING DIRECTOR.
UM, AND, AND THAT WAS AN EXCEPTION THAT THEY PROVIDED FOR THAT PROJECT SPECIFICALLY.
UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S HOW THEY WERE ABLE TO GET AROUND HAVING THE LOWER, UM, MINIMUM DEMENTIA.
AND SO FOR THE, FOR THE, UM, CODE AMENDMENTS THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS FOR A FUTURE PROJECT.
BUT AGAIN, UM, THE CONCERN I HAVE IS, IS THAT THE CITY DID HAVE INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY AND, UM, WHAT WE WANT AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS QUALITY.
UM, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN CONSTRAINTS WHEN IT COMES TO BUILDING AND LAYING OUT ITEMS, BUT ALSO TO, UM, WEST COVINA IS DIFFERENT FROM THE OTHER CITIES THAT YOU LISTED THAT HAD THE MUCH SMALLER PRIVATE YARD AREA.
AND WHAT WE, AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING FOR QUALITY.
AND SO I NEED TO ASK YOU THE PRODUCT THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, THESE CHANGES FOR WHO ARE YOU DESIGNING THEM FOR? WE'RE THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS TYPE OF PRODUCT IS, IS A PRODUCT THAT WE'VE BUILT IN COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA.
UM, AND IT'S NOT JUST US, IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, EVERY HOME BUILDER THAT I CAN THINK OF WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY'RE BUILDING A THREE-STORY TOWN HOME OR, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY NEED TO MEET CERTAIN OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS.
AND IN EVERY CASE THAT I CAN THINK OF, THEY HAVE THAT PRIVATE OPEN SPACE ON THE BALCONY AS WELL.
UM, SO FOR US, IT'S, IT WAS REALLY MORE OF A, WHEN WE WERE REVIEWING THE DOWNTOWN PLAN WITH STAFF, IT WAS REALLY MORE OF A CLARIFICATION TO PROVIDE, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, CLARITY AND IN THE DOWNTOWN PLAN TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S EXPLICIT.
YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHERE THIS OPEN SPACES IS COUNTED, AND YOU'RE NOT RELYING ON EXCEPTIONS.
UM, THIS IS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, HAS BEEN ACCEPTED, YOU KNOW, BY, BY STAFF AND US AS IT'S KIND OF AN INDUSTRY STANDARD FOR, FOR SOME OF THESE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, THE MINIMUM WITH, FOR TOWN HOMES OR THE MINIMUM WITH, FOR THE TANDEM UNITS, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN REGARDLESS.
IT'S, IT'S REALLY JUST A MATTER OF, OF, UH, OF, OF ACCOUNTING FOR THAT, FOR THAT, UH, LANGUAGE WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN PLAN, TO, TO CITY TO STATE IT EXPLICITLY THAT, YOU KNOW, IF A, IF A DEVELOPER COMES IN THE FUTURE AND HAS THIS INTERLOCKING UNIT, WHICH IS VERY COMMON, UM, THAT, THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY LANGUAGE IN THERE, UM, SPECIFYING THE, THE MINIMUMS AND THE YEAH.
BECAUSE ACTUALLY WHAT I'M GETTING AT, WHEN I'M ASKING YOU, WHO YOU'RE DESIGNING THIS FOR ONE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW YOU WOULD ACCOMMODATE, UM, PEOPLE WITH THE AMERICAN DISABILITIES.
HOW WOULD YOU GUYS PROVIDE A UNIT FOR SOMEONE WISHING TO PURCHASE? SO, UM, UH, THE, THE STOOPS WERE DESIGNED THAT THE BUILDINGS THAT FRONT ON WEST
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CAMERON ARE NOT ADA ACCESSIBLE AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE, UM, THIS WAS IT, IT WAS DRIVEN BY A STAFF.THEY ASKED, YOU KNOW, THEY REALLY WANTED MORE OF A, AN URBAN, UH, YOU KNOW, FEEL FOR HOW THE, THE ENTRANCES, UH, FRONTED ONTO WEST CAMERON.
THERE ARE UNITS SPECIFIED WITHIN THE COMMUNITY FURTHER BACK THAT ARE ADA ACCESSIBLE THAT DON'T HAVE STUDENTS.
SO A WHEELCHAIR WON'T BE ABLE TO FIT THROUGH THE FRONT DOOR, OR JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE STAIRS.
IT'S NOT, IT'S AUTOMATICALLY NOT ADA COMPATIBLE.
YOU'D HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THE FRONT DOOR.
SO WE HAVE UNITS, UM, OUTLINED SPECIFICALLY THAT WOULD BE ADA COMPLIANT.
THE OTHER QUESTION, UM, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND, UM, DOING THE TANDEM GARAGE, AND I'M GLAD THAT YOU DID BRING THE PLAN SHOWING THAT IT WOULD BE AT LEAST 12 FEET WIDE, AND THEN IT SEEMS LIKE THE LIVABLE AREA NEXT TO THAT IS GOING TO END UP BEING A TOTAL OF 32 FEET WIDE, AS OPPOSED TO 36.
AGAIN, WHEN I'M REFERRING TO WHO YOU'RE DESIGNING THIS FOR, WOULD THESE UNITS ACCOMMODATE PEOPLE WITH SMALL CHILDREN? ABSOLUTELY.
AND, AND TH THEY'RE ACTUALLY, THEY'RE ACTUALLY INTENDED FOR THAT TYPE OF DEMOGRAPHIC IN MIND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING TO, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY MAKE THESE HOMES ATTAINABLE, THAT THE, THE, UM, THE TANDEM UNIT IS AS FAR AS SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LOOK AT BUYING.
UM, AND, UM, BUT WITH THAT, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PROVIDING ENOUGH, UH, ENOUGH, UH, STORAGE SPACE.
SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS, UM, THE THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND, UH, EXPLICITLY SETTING THAT IT'S AN AVERAGE WITH OF 16 FEET.
I'M SORRY, COULD YOU BRING UP THAT PLAN? SO THERE YOU GO.
SO IT'S, IT'S 12 FEET ON THE GARAGE SIDE, AND THEN IT'S 16 FEET ON THE FRONT, AND THEN IT'S, IT'S THE AVERAGE OF 16 FEET WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU ACCOUNT FOR THE WHOLE BUILDING.
SO IT'S IT'S YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE.
SO QUESTION, WHERE WOULD THE CHILDREN HAVE AN AREA FOR OUTDOOR WITHIN YOUR DEVELOPMENT? IT'S ALL ON THE PRIVATE OPEN SPACE.
SO FOR, FOR THE, FOR THE, FOR THE, UH, INTERLOCKING UNIT, THE TANDEM TOWNHOME, AND THE SIDE BY SIDE, WE HAVE A, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE TANDEM UNIT, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A SMALLER PORCH, BUT, UM, WE HAVE MORE OF THAT OPEN SPACE THAT PRIVATE OPEN SPACE ON THE BALCONY, ON THE SECOND STORY WHERE ALL THE LIVING IS HAPPENING, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, WHILE, WHILE SOMEONE'S COOKING DINNER, YOU CAN WATCH YOUR KIDS THAT ARE ACTUALLY PLAYING ON THE BALCONY, UM, AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE, OR, YOU KNOW, IT'S CLOSER TO THE STREET.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ALL CONTAINED WITHIN THE TOWNHOME UNIT.
YOU GUYS, AREN'T ACTUALLY PROVIDING LIKE A PLAYGROUND AREA DOWN ON THE MAIN FLOOR GROUND, UH, FOR SPECIFIC FOR THE, THE UNITS THAT FACE WEST CAMERON THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO, LIKE, SO THERE ACTUALLY ISN'T ANY COMMON, THERE, THERE IS COMMON OPEN SPACE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, AND I'M HAPPY TO SH TO PULL UP THE SITE PLAN, BUT, BUT YEAH, JUST, I'M JUST TALKING SPECIFIC FOR THE ACTUAL FLOOR PLAN THAT THE PRIVATE OPEN SPACE IS THE BALCONY OR THE SECOND STORY, THE UPPER LEVELS WHERE YOU'RE LIVING DO.
YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THE LAST PAGE.
SO, UM, IN THE, IN THE, THROUGHOUT THE, THE POST-SALES WITHIN THE TOWNHOMES, WE, WE HAVE, UM, SOME GREEN SPACE AND THEN ALSO IN THE CORNERS, WE HAVE RESERVED THE LOWER LEFT CORNERS.
WE HAVE RESERVED, UH, UH, GREEN SPACE WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, A DOGGY BAG STATION, BENCHES, THAT KIND OF A THING, THAT KIND OF THING TO PROVIDE, UH, SOME GRAINY GREENERY AND A PLACE FOR KIDS TO, TO PLAY, I GUESS, I GUESS WHERE I'M, WHERE I'M KIND OF WONDERING HOW LARGE ARE THE CORNER AREAS THAT YOU'RE PROVIDING FOR THE COMMON SPACE.
YOU KNOW, I'D HAVE TO CONFIRM, I I'D HAVE TO GET BACK WITH YOU ON THAT ONE.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I GET YOU THE RIGHT NUMBER, BUT I CAN, I CAN GET THAT NUMBER FOR YOU.
SO, UM, SO JUST TO CLARIFY, UH, THIS PROPOSAL IS TO AMEND THE CODE, BUT THIS IS FOR A SPECIFIC PROJECT, RIGHT? IT'S SORT OF THAT PROJECT, RIGHT.
IT'S REALLY ONLY TO AMEND THE CODE FOR THE DOWNTOWN PLAN ACROSS THE BOARD.
IT JUST SO HAPPENS THAT WE'RE THE FIRST PROJECT APPLYING AFTER THE DOWNTOWN OAKLAND WOULD BE AMENDED.
SO WAS THIS PRESENTATION MADE PUBLIC BEFORE THIS MEETING, OR IT WAS JUST AS THE FIRST TIME EVERYONE'S SEEN THIS CITY STUFF.
I MEAN, ACTUALLY I, IF I COULD JUST AMEND THAT WE, WE DID PRESENT,
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UM, IN OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR, UM, AND THAT WAS A PUBLIC HEARING OR WHERE WE PRESENTED THE PLANNING COMMISSION.WE VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO, UM, INITIATE THE PROCEEDINGS, UM, AND THE PUBLIC WAS ALLOWED TO SPEAK AT THAT, AT THAT HEARING AS WELL.
SO THIS IS THE SECOND TIME, BUT TO CLARIFY THE BEST PR THIS EXACT PRESENTATION WAS NOT MADE AT THAT ON A COMMISSION MEETING, IT WAS MORE OF A VERBAL, SO MY ONLY CONCERN WOULD BE THAT AGAIN, I'M A BIG SUPPORTER OF DEVELOPMENT AND ESPECIALLY OUR CITY MEETING, THE REGIONAL HOUSING PLANNING AND SO FORTH.
UH, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, I WOULD HAVE LOVED TO SEE THESE, THESE DETAILS, THIS DETAIL INFORMATION IN THE VANS BEFORE TODAY'S MEETING.
UM, AND THIS IS JUST AN IDEA, BUT THE IT'S POSSIBLE THAT IF WE WERE TO, UH, POSTPONE THIS TO OUR NEXT MEETING, THAT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO ONLY, I GUESS, THE CITY SUFFERING HAS IT, BUT WOULD THIS BE SOMETHING THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION COULD HAVE RECEIVED BEFORE THE MEETING? OH, I'M SORRY.
YOU MEAN FOR, FOR THEIR, THEIR PROJECT? UH, YEAH.
I, I ALWAYS SAY I KNOW THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE DETAILED BECAUSE IT ALWAYS INVOLVES AN INVESTMENT IN MONEY, BUT SOMETHING JUST LIKE THE OTHER PROBLEM, JUST LIKE THOUGHT OR A MATTER.
I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE SEE THESE DRAWINGS BEFORE WE'RE VOTING ON SOMETHING.
NO, THE, THE CODE AMENDMENT IS SEPARATE FROM THE PROJECT.
UM, IT JUST SO HAPPENS THAT HE'S BRINGING UP HIS PROJECT AS AN EXAMPLE FOR HIM ASKING FOR THE CODE AMENDMENT, BUT THE CODE AMENDMENT IMPACTS THE ENTIRE DOWNTOWN PLANNING AREA, NOT JUST HIS PROJECT.
SO, UM, SO I'M, I MEAN, I'M, I'M, I'M A BIG SUPPORTER OF, OF DEVELOPMENT, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE, AS A PLANNING COMMISSION OR MYSELF AND, AND, AND THE PUBLIC IS SEEING THESE IMAGES BEFORE A MATTER IS BROUGHT TO US.
BUT THAT'S JUST, JUST A, IT'S JUST AN, UH, A SPOKEN IDEA.
AND, AND, UM, COMMISSIONER, IF, UH, UH, UM, OKAY.
I LIKE TO ADD THAT, UM, IT'S GREAT THAT WE'RE DISTINGUISHED BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL AND THE RESIDENTIAL HEIGHTS.
SO, I MEAN, I THINK THAT THAT'S A GOOD THING THAT, UM, I WOULD SEE RESIDENTIAL, WE DON'T NEED 14 FEET THAT HIGH BASIS.
SO THAT'S ONE THING THAT, YOU KNOW, MIGHT BE GOOD FOR THE RESIDENTIAL, UM, DEVELOPMENT IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
UM, I GUESS SOME OF THE AREAS, UH, WE HAVING A LITTLE BIT, UM, ISSUE, AGAIN, THIS IS AN AMENDMENT THAT AFFECT THE ENTIRE DOWNTOWN AREA THAT WILL MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS.
WE DON'T IMPROVE ANY, THEY ACTUALLY, WE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CITY COUNCILS TO APPROVE.
SO, UM, WE GUARDING SOME OF THE CHANGES, I GUESS YOU ARE TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO US, WE'RE NOT VERY CLEAR IN TERMS OF WHICH AREA IS BEING AFFECTED.
UM, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND AFTER YOUR PRESENTATION IS THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO TELL ME THAT BY COMBINING THE TWO UNITS, BUT ZIGZAG OVER THE UNITS IN THE MIDDLE YOU'VE MIGHT COME UP WITH SOME TYPE OF BETTER ARRANGEMENT FOR YOUR DEVELOPMENT OR THE ROLE.
SO, YES, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM DAY ONE, AND THE REASON WHY I BRING UP THE, THE PROJECT, THE, THE WEST CAMERON PROJECT SPECIFICALLY IS JUST REALLY TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
UM, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, I'LL, I'LL SPEAK AS, AS A DEVELOPER.
I ACTUALLY VISITED YOUR PROJECT CAMERON ABOUT A WEEK OR SO AGO.
SOMEHOW THE SALES PERSON WAS ABLE TO KIND OF, UH, WE WERE ABLE TO GET IN TO SEE THE MODEL, I BELIEVE THE MODEL IS STILL AVAILABLE.
AND I THINK ALL COMMISSIONER, IF YOU HAVE TIME, IT MIGHT STILL BE, AND WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, FIND, TAKE A LOOK BEFORE IT'S ALL.
BUT, UM, SO YES, I WAS ABLE TO SEE, UM, SOME OF THE ITEMS IN, UM, ALL FOUR, THREE MODELS, SO THAT THEY'RE NICELY BUILT.
BUT, UM, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY IN TERMS OF WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE MOVING.
CAN WE GO BACK TO THE SLIDE WE GOT IN THE A HUNDRED SQUARE FOOT? IT SEEMS LIKE YOU HAVE IT IN THERE, ACCORDING TO THAT EXAMPLE.
GO BACK TO THE, THE DECK PORTION, THE SECOND FLOOR DECK IN FRONT OF THE LIVING ROOM OR THE KITCHEN AREA THAT THAT'S LOOKING AT IT EARLIER.
UM, SO YOU PUT IT ON THE SCREEN HERE.
SO IT SEEMS LIKE EACH OF THESE UNITS PLAN TO PLAN THREE, YOU'D SEEMS TO HAVE A HUNDRED SQUARE FOOT ON THE DECK AREA.
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WE'RE, WE'RE ALWAYS, WE'RE ALWAYS MEETING THE A HUNDRED SQUARE FOOT, UM, SQUARE FOOTAGE.TH THAT REQUIREMENT, IT'S LITERALLY JUST THE DEPTH THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO, BECAUSE WE SPAN THE, THE, UH, PRIVATE OPEN SPACE ACROSS THE ENTIRE IT'S, IT'S JUST REARRANGING THE OPEN SPACE TO ACCOMMODATE FOR THE WIDTH OF THE BUILDING.
UM, WHILE, WHILE NOT NECESSARILY EXTENDING OUT, AS FAR AS TO EIGHT FEET, LET'S STILL MEETING THAT A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET.
IT'S STILL USABLE AS PRIVATE OPEN SPACE.
UM, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THE DECK AREA, IF YOU LOOK AT IT, THE PURPLE HOUSE HAS A HUNDRED SQUARE FOOT IN FRONT OF IT, THE YELLOW, I WOULDN'T CALL IT A CONDO ALSO HAVE 101 SQUARE FOOT IN FRONT OF IT.
THAT'S PLAN TWO, MAN, THREE PLAN ONE, AND PLAN.
PLAN ONE IS THE ONE WITH ATTENDANT PARKING.
THAT'S A LITTLE BIT SMALLER, WHICH ONE IS, IS WHAT WE CALL THE, THE KIND OF END UNITS.
UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, UH, THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT, UH, MORE COMPACT, BUT WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS, IS THIS IS THE, THE SECOND AND THIRD FLOOR FLOOR PLAN.
UM, EACH EACH PROVIDE THE MINIMUM SIX FOOT DEPTH, BUT THERE ARE ABOUT 70 SQUARE FEET.
SO, BUT, UM, AMONGST THE BUILDING, WE'RE PROVIDING 140 SQUARE FEET OF PRIVATE OPEN SPACE OR EXCEEDING THE, THE, THE PRIVATE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT, BUT IT'S SPREAD OUT AMONGST, YOU KNOW, TWO DIFFERENT LEVELS SO THAT YOU CAN ENJOY, YOU KNOW, COFFEE ON YOUR, ON, YOU KNOW, ACROSS FROM YOUR BEDROOM ON THE THIRD FLOOR.
AND YOUR KIDS CAN ENJOY THE SECOND STORY, PRIVATE OPEN SPACE AS WELL.
SO YOU ARE ALSO PLANNING TO HAVE OPEN SPACE IN THE FIRST, THE SECOND FLOOR, WHICH IS THE LIVING KITCHEN LIVING AREA.
AND THEN THE MASTER BEDROOM, I ASSUME YOU HAVE A LITTLE OPEN SPACE EXACTLY WHERE YOU COULD HAVE ANOTHER CHAIR AND HAVE COFFEE OUTSIDE.
SO WE'RE JUST, WE'RE JUST ASKING TO SPLIT THAT, THAT SPACE UP INTO MULTIPLE FLOORS.
I THINK THE REASON WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR THIS AMENDMENT IS IT'S A PRETTY COMMON PRACTICE AMONGST HOME BUILDERS TO PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, OPEN SPACE ON MULTIPLE LEVELS.
WE'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S WRITTEN OR REQUESTING.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH STAFF THAT IT'S WRITTEN IN THE CODE SO THAT WHEN ANOTHER DEVELOPER COMES IN WITH A DIFFERENT PROJECT IN THE DOWNTOWN PLAN, THEY HAVE THESE, THESE REQUIREMENTS ALREADY OUTLINED THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I'M HERE TODAY.
IT'S ACTUALLY A NICELY THOUGHT OUT IN A WAY THAT IF I HAVE A LITTLE PET, I LIKED IT, HAVE THEM DO THEIR THING.
THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING ALL THAT.
SO THE STAFF HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR APPLICANT, NOT STAFF COMMISSIONERS, I'M SORRY, STAFF.
WE'RE ASKING STAFF QUESTIONS, BUT OKAY.
DOES ANYONE, IF NOT, WE'RE GONNA, UM, I THINK THAT'S IT.
SO WE'RE GONNA OPEN FOR THOSE WHO FAVOR AND FAVOR.
UM, DO WE HAVE A CARD OR DOES ANYONE IS ON A ZOOM CALL? NO, WE DON'T HAVE A CARD IN FAVOR.
AND THEN WE'LL GO OPEN UP FOR THOSE WHO OPPOSE, UM, COME ON UP ONCE AGAIN.
THANK YOU FOR LOOKING INTO THE QUESTION LINED TO QUESTION, BUT, UM, FOR MANY OF US WHO SAT IN THE GENERAL PLAN BACK IN 2016, WE AS RESIDENTS TOOK OUR TIME TO, TO LOOK AT WHAT WE THOUGHT RESIDENTS WOULD WANT TO HAVE FOR THE FUTURE.
WE DON'T, WE DIDN'T EXPECT A DEVELOPER TO EVER COME AND INTERPRET OUR GENERAL PLAN AND CRITIQUE IT AND TO MAKE IT FIT TO THEIR DEVELOPMENT.
THAT'S NOT WHAT THE GENERAL PLANS FOR.
UM, YES, IT'S FOR LESS AGGRESSIVE DEVELOPMENT.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE RESIDENTS WANTED.
THERE WAS A LARGE NUMBER OF RESIDENTS THAT GATHERED TO BE PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN.
SO PLEASE DON'T ALLOW A DEVELOPER TO COME IN AND INTERPRET AND WANTED MAKE CHANGES FOR THEIR SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT AND THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT.
UNLIKE THE CAMERON, THE ONE THAT HE WAS REFERRING TO THIS PARTICULAR ONE LOOKS LIKE A PA APARTMENT BUILDING.
THERE IS NO DEFINITION ON THE HEIGHTS.
I DON'T KNOW IF I SHOULD BE CRITIQUING THE FACT THAT THE REALLY THEY ARE REALLY ASKING FOR ZONE CHANGE OR CHANGING FOR THE GENERAL PLAN, BECAUSE IT IS, IT WILL DEFINITELY AFFECT THAT WHOLE REGION OR IF I'M CRITIQUING THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF.
BUT I HAVE ISSUE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AS WELL AS PLEASE DON'T LET A DEVELOPER COME IN AND TAKE OUR TIME.
WE, WE PUT IN A LOT OF, FOR THE GENERAL PLAN AND HE MAY INTERPRET THIS AS BEING AN
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OLDER VERSION OR NEW DEVELOPERS ARE COMING IN AND DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY THAT MAY BE, BUT THEY SHOULD WORK WITHIN THE CONFINES AND THE RULE AND THE GENERAL PLAN AS IT EXISTS IN EACH CITY AND ABIDE BY WHAT WE RESIDENTS WANTED.AND SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT STATEMENT.
ANYONE ELSE WHO LIKED TO SPEAK POSTS? IF NOT? UM, I GUESS WE'LL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT AGAIN.
I JUST WANTED TO INTRODUCE, UH, MY SUPERVISOR, AARON TELLER RICO.
HE'S, HE'S THE VICE PRESIDENT FOR FORWARD PLANNING.
HE JUST WANTED TO, TO, UH, ADDRESS, UH, THE, THE NEIGHBOR'S CONCERN.
AND THEN ALSO JUST TO CLARIFY A FEW THINGS, THANK YOU, CHAIR, HANG AND COMMISSIONERS.
I DON'T KNOW IF I'D CALL MYSELF A SUPERVISOR, MAYBE COLLEAGUE, BUT THANK YOU, MATT.
UM, JUST ADDRESSING, UM, THE LAST SPEAKER'S COMMENTS, IT'S REALLY DEVELOPER.
I MEAN, WE ARE, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY A DEVELOPER, BUT WE'RE A HOME BUILDER COMMUNITY BUILDER.
UM, WE TAKE GREAT PRIDE IN, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'VE DONE IN WEST COVINA IN THE PAST, AND NOW CURRENTLY, AND THEN MOVING INTO THE FUTURE.
UM, MOST OF THESE ITEMS HERE THAT BOUGHT, BROUGHT THE, THE, THE, THE WIDTH OF THE DECK FROM THE EIGHT TO THE SIX, AS YOU CAN SAW ON CAMERA 56, IT WAS ALREADY, THERE WAS A COUPLE OF THOSE DECKS THAT WERE FIVE, FIVE FOOT SIX, OR, AND JUST ABOUT SIX FEET, THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THAT DOWNTOWN PLAN.
AND KIND OF LIKE IN TERMS OF DEVELOPERS COMING IN AND CHANGING THE CODE, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
THE DOWNTOWN PLANET CODE IS, IS A FORM-BASED CODE.
UM, AND IT, IT IT'S MEANT TO HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY TO GIVE, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT OPTIONS AS YOU GO DEVELOP A PROPERTY.
UM, IN THIS CASE, THE BEAUTY OF THIS PROJECT VERSUS AN APR CAMERON 56 PROJECT IS WE'RE HAVING SOME SMALLER UNITS IN THERE THAT GETS MORE ATTAINABLE PRICING, MORE WORKFORCE HOUSING.
UM, PART OF THE TANDEM UNIT, WE'RE FINDING THAT, YOU KNOW, WHERE MAYBE 10, 15 YEARS AGO, YOU THOUGHT THE NEXT HOME BUYER WOULD NOT BE OKAY WITH THE TANDEM UNIT.
THESE HOME BUYERS ARE, THERE'S JUST SO MUCH PENT UP DEMAND FOR REALLY FIRST-TIME HOME BUYERS, YOUNG FAMILIES MOVE DOWN BUYERS.
UM, ANYONE WHO CAN GET IN ANYTHING THAT'S FHA QUALIFIED, REALLY, THAT IS LIKE SO CRITICAL FOR THIS NEXT GENERATION OF HOMEOWNERS.
UM, THE, IT REALLY KIND OF HAS MATT DOING A GREAT JOB AND STAFF AND JOANNE, AS THEY WENT THROUGH THIS PROJECT, THEY DID NOTICE, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE SHOULD CLEAN UP THE STOOPS.
WE, YOU KNOW, THE DIMENSIONS ON THAT, AND WE SHOULD CLEAN UP THESE DECKS BECAUSE WE SAW ON CAMP 36, THOSE WERE INTERPRETED, I BELIEVE, WITHIN THAT FORM-BASED CODE ENVIRONMENT TO BE OKAY.
UM, I WAS THE ONE WHO WORKED ON THAT CAMERA, 56 PROJECTS.
ONE THING YOU'LL NOTICE A CANTERBURY SIX.
THERE WAS NO, UH, THERE WAS A SETBACK, BUT WE COULD HAVE BEEN THREE STORIES RIGHT NEXT TO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES FOR THE DOWNTOWN PLANNING CODE.
SO TO THE LAST SPEAKER'S POINT AS THIS, I THINK THE INTENTION WAS ALWAYS AT THIS DOWNTOWN PLANNING CODE WAS GOING TO BE CLEANED UP AS PEOPLE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS.
YOU HAVE TO PREVIOUS PLANNING DIRECTOR, AS WELL AS, UM, PLANNING, COMMISSIONERS AND CITY COUNTY COUNSELOR THAT WERE REALLY INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS, EXPLAINED IT TO US CAUSE WE WERE THE FIRST PROJECT, UM, THAT WAS A RESIDENTIAL TO THE DOWNTOWN PLANNING CODE.
SO, UM, HOPEFULLY THAT EXPLAINS A LITTLE BIT OF KIND OF THE, THE NEED FOR THE FLEXIBILITY.
WE'RE NOT ASKING LIKE, HEY, IF WE DON'T GET THESE TWEAKS AND THEY'RE ONLY REALLY A FOOT OR TWO, THE PROJECT DOESN'T WORK, BUT IT JUST GIVES US THE ABILITY TO CREATE THE PROJECT.
WE BELIEVE IS THE RIGHT PROJECT FOR THAT PROPERTY.
UM, AND WE THINK THAT THE COMMUNITY AND THEN THE FUTURE RESIDENTS WILL, WILL ENJOY, UM, SIMILAR TO CAMERA 56.
THOSE WERE MAYBE THE MAIN POINTS I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CAMERON 56 PROJECT OR PREVIOUS STUFF WE'VE DONE IN THE CITY OF WEST COVINA.
UM, OR MATT CAN, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THOSE POINTS, HOPEFULLY THAT WASN'T TOO MUCH OF A CHRISTIAN.
I'M A CHRISTIAN FOR CITY STAFF ON THE CITY ATTORNEY, JUST TO CLARIFY, UH, TODAY OR BEING ASKED TO AMEND THE CODE.
SO THE APPLICANT CAN PURSUE PLANNING TO DEVELOP THAT PROPERTY.
SO NOT NECESSARILY, WE'RE NOT APPROVING THAT PROJECT TODAY.
ALL WE'RE DOING IS AMENDING THE CODE, WHICH ALLOWS THE DEVELOPER TO START THE PROCESS IN DRAWING DETAILED PLANS.
SO AT A LATER DATE, THIS COMMISSION WILL BE BROUGHT, I'M ASSUMING PLANS THAT OUTLINE A PROJECT, RIGHT? CORRECT.
YOU WILL RECEIVE A FORMAL SUBMITTAL FROM THE APPLICANT FOR THE PROJECT.
SO TONIGHT, RIGHT NOW, UM, WE'RE SEEKING APPROVAL FOR, UM, THE CODE AMENDMENT TO THAT.
YOU, WE CAN TAKE IT TO CITY COUNCIL, OKAY.
SO AMENDING A CODE JUST ALLOWS THE DEVELOPER JUST TO CLARIFY, AMENDING THE CODE TONIGHT.
IF THE COMMISSION DECIDES TO DO SO ONLY ALLOWS
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THIS DEVELOPER TO START ITS PROCESS IN DRAWING DETAILED PLANS.AND ON A LATER DATE AND TIME, THE GENERAL PUBLIC WILL HAVE THE CHANCE TO SPEAK ON THE MATTER THAT INVOLVES DEVELOPMENT AT THAT POINT.
UM, I DON'T, UM, ACTUALLY, UH, AMENDING THE CODE THAT AFFECTS THE ENTIRE DOWNTOWN PLAN, NOT JUST FOR THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPER, IT'S SO HAPPENED THAT THEY ARE HERE AND THEY LIKE TO MAKE SOME CHANGES TO FIT, I SUPPOSE, THEIR CRITERIA OR THEIR NEEDS, BUT WE'RE NOT MAKING A CHANGES JUST AFFECTING THEM PER SE.
WE'RE CHANGING IT'S TO AFFECT EVERYONE ELSE THAT FOLLOWS THEM.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE TO THE CITY ATTORNEY.
IS IT POSSIBLE FOR THE COMMISSION TO RECOMMEND AMENDMENT OF THE CODE JUST FOR THIS PROJECT OR BY CASE BY CASE BASIS? UM, WE'RE ACTUALLY NOT MAKING A, AN AN APPROVAL.
THIS IS A RECOMMENDATIONS AS THE PLANNING COMMISSIONS TONIGHT, WE'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO WHICH WILL GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND CITY COUNCIL, BODY APPROVED ALL THE GENERAL PLANNED.
JUST START JUST YOUR, YOUR QUESTION ABOUT, DOES IT EFFECT EVERYTHING, WHICH IF THAT'S A CONCERN THEN, IS IT POSSIBLE FOR THE COMMISSION TO RECOMMEND A RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS PROJECT ONLY, AND NOT, UH, DOING, UH, A CHANGE SHAT? WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE FEATURE OF WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS I'LL BE.
ARE YOU ON THE PHONE? YES, I'M RIGHT HERE.
UM, THAT IS NOT THE APPLICATION BEFORE YOU, AND IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE VERY SPECIFIC CODE AMENDMENTS APPLYING, UH, UM, PLAN WIDE THAT ARE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, THE COMMISSION COULD, UM, RECOMMEND OTHER CODE AMENDMENTS OR GREATER FLEXIBILITY THAT WOULD APPLY, UM, AGAIN, PLAN WIDE, BUT NOT SPECIFIC JUST TO THIS PROJECT.
AND JAY, AND, AND JUST, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE, WE ALSO OUTLINED TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC WHO ARE WATCHING AT HOME AND HERE WHO, UH, THERE'S NO ONE HERE TONIGHT, BUT WHOEVER'S WATCHING IT AT HOME AND WHO'S NEVER REVIEWED THIS VIDEO LATER ON THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO RE OUTLINE THAT, UH, MEANING THE CODE WE'RE RANKING A RECOMMENDATION, BUT IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION DECIDES TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION AND DOESN'T, IT DOES, IT'S NOT A, A DOOR TO OPEN OR WIDELY, AND SAY'S OKAY.
ALL DEVELOPERS, YOU KNOW, BUILD, BUILD APARTMENTS, THERE ARE BUILT BUILD HOUSING THERE.
NO, THERE'S A LEGAL PROCESS THAT EACH DEVELOPER HAS TO GO THROUGH.
AND, AND, AND REGARD IF WE, IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION DECIDES TO DO THIS RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY CONSOLE IN THE END OF THE DAY, THERE'S STILL AN ALWAYS ROBIE THE LEGAL PROCESS LIKE CALIFORNIA, THE CITY MANDATES IN THE BUILDING AND PLANNING CODES OF OUR STATE IN OUR CITY.
SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT TO, UH, THE GENERAL PUBLIC NOT DIRECT COMMISSIONERS.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT, UM, TO THE EXTENT THAT THE APPLICANT WAS SPEAKING OF SPECIFIC PROJECTS, THAT YOU SHOULD TREAT THEM AS JUST EXAMPLES OF, FOR YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF, OF WHAT THE CODE AMENDMENTS COULD BE.
BUT AGAIN, THEY ARE NOT SPECIFIC TO ANY PARTICULAR PROJECT.
UM, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR OUR APPLICANTS? UM, OKAY.
IF NOT, I'M GONNA, UM, THANK YOU.
IF I CAN PROVIDE SOME CLARIFICATION REAL QUICK, UM, I JUST WANTED TO GO THROUGH IT LINE BY LINE BECAUSE, OKAY.
SO THIS PARTICULAR SECTION, UM, REGARDING THE PLATE HEIGHTS, IT IMPACTS ALL AREAS IN THE URBAN, IN THE T4 GENERAL URBAN ZONE.
SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND SHOW UP MAP OF, UM, THE SPECIFIC PLAN AREA.
SO ALL THE AREAS IN ORANGE, UM, IN THE DOWNTOWN PLAN ARE IN, THAT ARE IN THE T4 GENERAL URBAN ZONE.
SO THE PLATES HEIGHT IMPACTS ALL THESE AREAS, BASICALLY DIFFERENTIATING THE PLATE HEIGHT FOR COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL FOR, FOR THE, THIS, UM, SORRY FOR THE, FOR THE, THIS ROW HOUSE, UM, THE AMENDMENT PERTAINING TO THE ROW HOUSE, UM, PRIVATE OPEN SPACE AND THE WIDTH OF EACH ROW HOUSE UNITS.
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WOULD ONLY APPLY TO AREAS.UM, WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN PLAN.
THERE ARE CERTAIN, THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT BUILDING TYPES THAT CAN BE CONSTRUCTED.
UM, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, I HAVE DOWNTOWN PLAN HERE THOUGH THERE, UM, IN, IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE DIFFERENT AREAS IN THE TOWN PLAN, UM, THERE ARE DIFFERENT BUILDING TYPES, SUCH AS DUPLEXES, ROSE, ROSE WALK, AND BUNGALOW COURT, UM, RURAL HOUSES, LIVE WORK COURT HYBRID, LINEAR AND FLEX BUILDING.
UM, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE RURAL HOUSE SECTION, UM, THE ROW HOUSE CAN ONLY BE CONSTRUCTED IN THE T4 GENERAL, URBAN AND T4.
UM, I FORGOT, UM, URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD, I BELIEVE, UM, ZONE AND THAT, THAT, THAT PARTICULAR OPEN SPACE AND BUILDING SIZE AND MASSING THAT IS BEING PROPOSED WOULD ONLY APPLY TO THOSE WHO WISH TO CONSTRUCT, UM, A ROW HOUSE BUILDING THAT IS IN THE, UM, IN THESE TWO ZONES, THE T4 GENERAL, URBAN AND T4 OR BIN NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, IN, UM, AMONGST THESE TWO ZONES, THERE ARE OTHER TYPES OF BUILDINGS THAT THEY, THAT OTHER DEVELOPERS OR OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS CAN ALSO CONSTRUCT SUCH AS LIVE WORK, WHICH CAN BE CONSTRUCTED IN THE T4 GENERAL URBAN ZONE AS WELL.
UM, THE COURT STYLE, UM, THE HYBRID COURT, THE LINEAR, UH, THE FLEX BUILDING TYPE AND SO FORTH.
SO, SO BASICALLY IT'S VERY SPECIFIC.
UM, IT, IT WOULD ONLY APPLY TO THOSE IN THE T4, T4 GENERAL URBAN ZONE, UM, AND IN THE T4 URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD ZONE THAT WISHES TO CONSTRUCT A ROW HOUSE TYPE BUILDING.
UM, AND FOR THE STOOP, UH, THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT, UM, TYPES OF FRONTAGE IS SUCH AS IN THE DOWNTOWN PLAN THAT ARE ALLOWED SUCH AS PORCHES, UM, DOOR YARDS AND STOOP SOUPS AND OR COURT.
SO THAT THE CHANGE IN THE STOOP SECTION ONLY APPLIES TO THOSE WHO WISHES TO CONSTRUCT, UM, UH, A PLAN THAT, THAT INVOLVES A STOOP.
UM, IF, IF LET'S SAY SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO CONSTRUCT A, A ROW HELL TYPE ROW, ROW HOUSE TYPE DEVELOPMENT, OR A LIVE WORK TYPE DEVELOPMENT THAT USES UTILIZES, UH, A PORCH TYPE FRONTAGE, THEN THEY WOULDN'T THAT THEN THAT STOOP SECTION WOULD NOT APPLY TO THEM.
SO IT'S THE DOWNTOWN PLAN AREA AND CODE IS, IS FLEXIBLE IN THAT WAY THAT, THAT, UM, THERE ARE DIFFERENT BUILDING TYPES THAT, THAT CAN BE CONSTRUCTED AT EACH ZONE.
SO, AND JUST TO CLARIFY, WE'RE ONLY AMENDING THE CODE TO ALLOW A DEVELOPER TO START THE PROCESS.
SO TONIGHT WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING ANYTHING ABOUT HOW A HOUSE OR SOMEBODY IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE, RIGHT.
I'M NOT A DEVELOPER, ANY DEVELOPER WHO WISHES TO CONSTRUCT THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THESE VERY SPECIFIC STATES.
AND THEN WHEN THAT TIME COMES, UH, THAT A DEVELOPER WANTS TO BUILD, AND AT THAT TIME, THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL HAVE A SAY ON HOW SOMETHING'S DESIGN OR SOLVE SOMETHING LOOKS LIKE.
UM, OKAY, SO LET'S RE UM, LET'S GO BACK IN TERMS OF WHAT IT IS THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING TO OUR CITY COUNCIL.
UM, JOANNE, CAN YOU POP THAT SHEETS AGAIN? WE, THE COMMERCIALS AND THE RESIDENTIALS.
SO THIS IS WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING TO OUR CITY COUNCILS TONIGHT, IF, IF WE ARE, UM, RECOMMENDING TO OUR CITY COUNCIL, UM, CAN YOU PUT IT ON THE SCREEN TV SCREEN HERE TOO? UM, WHICH, WHICH IS, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS LIGHT.
AND WE JUST, THERE'S ONLY A FEW ITEMS. OKAY.
SO LET ME GO AHEAD AND DO THE PRESENTATION FROM THE BEGINNING.
SO THIS IS, THIS WOULD IMPACT ALL THE AND ORANGE THAT I HOLD ON, JOANNE.
UM, WE'RE NOT REALLY MAKING A, BUT NOT BE MOVING ALL OF THE ITEMS IN THE GENERAL URBAN ZONE.
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A LITTLE BIT.UM, JOANNE, CAN YOU PULL UP THAT SHEET AGAIN ON, ON, ON THE, ON THE SCREEN? UM, THE DOWNTOWN PLAN.
SO ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT THE, WHICH WILL AFFECT ALL DEVELOPER IS THAT THEY DON'T WANT 12 FEET OR 14 FEET BECAUSE THEY IT'S A RESIDENTIAL HOME.
THAT HIGH 10 FEET IS PRETTY HIGH.
CAMINO HOME IS EIGHT FEET RIGHT NOW, MOST OF THE HOME THAT WAS BUILT MOST OF THEM, UNLESS YOU'RE 10, 20 YEARS AGO, THEN YOU GET NINE FEET.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S GRANT, IT LOOKS A LOT.
CAN I ASK, ARE WE TALKING 10 FEET EXTERIOR? OR ARE WE TALKING 10 FEET INTO INTERIOR? SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CATHEDRAL ARE BOLTED CEILINGS, UM, HIGHER CEILINGS THAN TRADITIONAL HOMES THAT WERE BUILT IN THE SIXTIES, IN THE SEVENTIES.
SO, SO FOR, SO FOR THIS, THIS PROPOSED CODE AMENDMENT, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT, ABOUT A MINIMUM HEIGHT THAT WOULD GO FROM 14 FEET TO 10 FEET? IS THAT NO, THEY'RE SEPARATING FROM COMMERCIAL BECAUSE BEFORE IT WAS JUST ONE ITEM, COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL.
SO I UNDERSTAND, ARE WE TALKING INTERIOR OR EXTERIOR HEIGHT? BECAUSE THERE'S A DISTINCTION THERE, INTERIOR HEIGHTS, SOME 10 FEET.
I BELIEVE IT'S THE FLOOR AS WELL.
SO IS IT INTERIOR HEIGHT? UM, FLOW FROM FLOOR TO CEILING.
UM, IN FACT, THE 10 FEET CAN EAT, UM, UH, FOR STANDARD RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT 10 FEET CAN EVEN BE LOWERED TO NINE FEET.
I'M NOT SURE I FOLLOW BECAUSE YOU'RE SHOWING US EXTERIOR PHOTOS.
AND NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INTERIOR HEIGHT.
UM, WELL, I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE INTERIOR OF THIS BUILDING, SO, UM, I'M JUST SHOWING THE, UM, THE INTERIOR PHOTO, THE EXTERIOR PHOTOS TO, TO DEMONSTRATE HOW A TIMES ENTER YOUR HEIGHT.
UM, SO THE BOTTOM OF THE, OKAY.
JOANNE, CAN YOU BRING UP THAT PICTURE? SO I, LET ME SEE THE BOTTOM OF THE PICTURE OF THE PORCH AREA IN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE IS ACTUALLY THE TOP OF THE CEILING INSIDE THE FIRST FLOOR.
WHERE IS THAT PHOTO? CAN YOU BRING THAT UP? SO WHERE JOANNE IS POINTING RIGHT NOW, THAT'S THE BOTTOM OF THE PORCH ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
BUT IF WE GO INSIDE THE HOUSE, THAT WOULD BE THE CEILING HEIGHTS.
GIVE WE'LL TAKE A FEW, AN INTRO TO WHAT IT HAS TO COMMERCIAL.
IT'S A COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL.
UM, THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF HOW, WHAT A RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION WOULD LOOK LIKE IF THE CEILING HEIGHT OR THE, OR FOR THE GROUND FLOOR IS TREATED SIMILAR TO COMMERCIAL WHERE IT'S HIGHER THAN THE TOP FLOOR.
IT'S LIKE A HOUSE FROM ARROWHEAD OR BIG BEAR.
SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE TAKING THE REQUIREMENT THAT WAS FOR A COMMERCIAL MIXED USE THAT REQUIRED.
UM, I BELIEVE IT'S THE 14 OR THE 12 FEET.
UM, AND WE'RE MAKING A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN COMMERCIAL MIXED USE AND RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT TO RESIDENTIAL.
SO IT'S IN A WAY, WE'RE NOT WILLIE BE MOVING ALL THE ELEMENTS IN THERE.
WE'RE WE GET TWO FEET OR SO, OR RESIDENTIAL USAGE IN THIS PARTICULAR AND THE DOWNTOWN AREA MOVE ONTO THE NEXT ONE, PLEASE.
SO THIS IS THE HEIGHT IS ASKING FOR IT TO BE A LITTLE LOWER, WHICH I THINK IT'S OKAY.
UM, AND THEN THIS ONE JOINED, CAN YOU PUT IT ON THE SCREEN, THE TV SCREEN HERE? IT'S PRETTY FAR OUT THERE.
YOU DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER THAT T DEPARTMENT.
IT'S NOT ON THE SCREEN AND IN THE FRONT, IN FRONT OF IT.
UM, ANYWAY, THE SECOND IS A, UM, THE DECK AREA, I BELIEVE.
SO THE SECOND IS A DECK AREA INSTEAD OF EIGHT FEET WIDE, THEY'RE ASKING FOR SIX FEET AND THEN THE RUNNING IT ACROSS THE ENTIRE, YOU CAN SEE ROLE.
SO THAT WILL GIVE US A HUNDRED FEET CUMULATIVE.
I GUESS YOU CAN ADD TWO AREA FOR CUMULATIVE AS WELL.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT THEY ASKING FOR IS THE GARAGE TO BE 16 FEET, WHICH IS THEY'RE SHORTENING IT BY TWO FEET BECAUSE THEY'RE PLANNING TO STAGGER THE, I THINK THAT'S THE TERM THAT THEY USE FOR BUILDING.
AND THEN IF YOU REMEMBER, IF YOU GO BACK WHEN WE WERE DOING THE GENERAL PLAN, THIS IS A COUPLE OF YEARS BACK, AND NONE OF THE COMMISSIONER
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WERE HERE AT THE TIME.YOU PROBABLY ATTEND THE MEETING AT THE TIME AS WELL, BUT THE DOWNTOWN BUILDING, OR AT LEAST THEY WANTED TO, IT JUST A FORM, IT'S A FORM TYPE OF BUILDING.
AND THEN YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU MAKE IT TO LOOK HOW IT LOOKS.
IT'S NOT LIKE, UM, IT'S NOT REALLY DEFINED.
AND THEN YOU JUST ADDING, SUBTRACTING UNTIL IT COMES UP.
I DON'T, I'M NOT AN ARCHITECTURE, SO I CAN'T REALLY EXPLAIN THIS, BUT TO ME, UM, YOU TWEAKED IT UNTIL IT LOOKS NICE.
AND THEN, OR TWEAKING IT TONIGHT, YOU KNOW, ADDING TWO FEET, TAKING OUT A FOOT OR TWO HERE AND THERE, AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER ITEM.
IS ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE'RE MAKING SOME TWEAK TONIGHT, IF WE'RE THAT PORTION LET'S DO.
SO THAT'S THE STOOP, BUT JUST THE IN FRONT PORCH AREA.
SO THEY'RE ASKING FOR THREE FEET, THAT'S THE DEPTH AND THE WIDTH.
SO THAT'S BENEATH THE MAXIMUM.
YES, THEY'LL THEY, THEY DON'T WANT THE MAXIMUM.
THEY WANT TO MAKE IT BIGGER IF THEY CAN.
SO CERTAIN AREA, THEY WANT TO MAKE A LITTLE SHORTER IN CERTAIN AREA.
THEY WANT IT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT BIGGER.
SO I THINK THAT'S A REASONABLE REQUEST.
UM, THAT'S JUST, UM, YEAH, SO, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE.
AND SO FOR THE RESIDENTS WHO ARE WATCHING AT HOME, THE PICTURE YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW IS JUST A EXAMPLE AND NOT HOW IT'S GOING TO LOOK, SO IT COULD LOOK RAE MORE BEAUTIFUL.
IT COULD LOOK RAY MORE DIFFERENTLY, BUT THAT HASN'T BEEN BROUGHT TO US YET.
ALL WE'RE APPROVING TONIGHT IS CERTAIN SMALL CHANGES TO ALLOW A DEVELOPMENT, A DIFFERENT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPMENT TO OCCUR.
SO WE ARE, UM, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY COMMENTS, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY.
SO FIRST AND FOREMOST, I, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND CHANGING THE, THE, THE HEIGHT DIFFERENTIAL, UH, DOWN TO 10 FEET, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN URBAN AREA AND IN AN URBAN CONTEXT, IF YOU LOOK AT DOWNTOWN LA AND YOU LOOK AT THE LOFTS AND EVERYTHING IN THERE, THEY'RE ALL 14 FEET EASILY MINIMUM.
SO I JUST DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY WE WOULD WANT TO CHANGE THIS.
NOW, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO COME BACK TO US WITH A SPECIFIC PLAN AND PRESENT THAT TO US, HEY, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M ALL EARS.
I, I TAKE THEM AS THEY COME, BUT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I JUST, I DON'T REALLY SEE THE EFFICACY IN THIS.
THIS IS GOING TO LEAD TO A LACK OF UNIFORMITY OF DEVELOPMENT IN THE URBAN ZONE WITH REGARD TO, TO THE, TO THE, TO THE, THE SECOND SECTION.
UH, YOU KNOW, QUITE FRANKLY, IF YOU WANT TO, UH, TAKE OUT THE WORDS LOCATED WITHIN MEDIUM DENSITY NEIGHBORHOODS, FINE WITH ME.
UM, WITH REGARD TO, UH, SECTION THREE, AS, AS OUTLINED IN THE, UH, UH, AS IN THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION, UM, YOU KNOW, I HAVE, I REALLY HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH, WITH CHANGING THE DEPTH REQUIREMENTS.
I THINK THE DEPTH REQUIREMENTS ARE, ARE, ARE, ARE, ARE FINE TO CHANGE, BUT I WOULD FINE TUNE THIS.
AND I WOULD SAY SPECIFICALLY, IF WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE DEPTH REQUIREMENT, THE DEPTH REQUIREMENT DOWN TO SIX FEET WOULD ONLY BE APPLICABLE TO BALCONIES.
HOWEVER, WITH REGARD TO THE GROUND FLOOR MAINTAIN THE EIGHT FOOT MINIMUM.
UM, AND I, I THINK THAT THAT IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT EVERYONE COULD, COULD LIVE WITH WITH REGARD TO SECTION FOUR, UH, THE, THE WIDTH PER ROADHOUSE UNIT, I, OR ROWHOUSE UNIT.
I JUST, MY, MY, MY PROBLEM WITH IT IS I, I THINK ONE, IT LENDS ITSELF TO BEING KIND OF VAGUE BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AVERAGE WIDTH.
WHAT IS THE AVERAGE, WHAT IS THE AVERAGE WITH REALLY GOING TO LOOK LIKE, UM, FROM A, FROM A PRACTICAL MATTER, YOU, ARE, ARE YOU LOOKING AT MAYBE A 10 FOOT GARAGE DOWN THE LINE, YOU KNOW, TO ACCOMMODATE A LARGER ONE? I DON'T KNOW, BUT FRANKLY I'D RATHER SEE THAT COME TO ME IN A SPECIFIC PLAN.
SO I CAN EVALUATE THAT, MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THE STORAGE AND, AND THE, AND THE INDIVIDUAL LOCATIONS OF LET'S SAY THE TRASH CANS THAT HAVE TO BE INSIDE ARE, ARE GOING TO BE EVALUATED, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH ROOM TO PUT, UH, CHARGING EQUIPMENT, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
ALL OF, ALL OF THOSE THINGS I THINK ARE, ARE CONSIDERATIONS THAT I WOULDN'T BE COMFORTABLE WAVING AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
AND JUST SAYING, LET'S JUST THROW THAT IN AND DO WHATEVER YOU WANT.
SO I THINK WE WOULD LEAVE THAT AS IS, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, AND THEN WITH REGARD TO, UH, TO GETTING RID OF THE, UH, THE MAXIMUM WIDTH AND DEPTH, UH, FOR, FOR THE,
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FOR THE FRONTAGE STANDARDS.I MEAN, ULTIMATELY WE'RE KEEPING THE MINIMUMS IN.
IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO, UH, UTILIZE MORE SPACE, THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE WITH ME.
SO I WOULD MAKE A MOTION IN ACCORDANCE WITH THAT.
UM, BUT OBVIOUSLY I'M OPEN TO HEARING FROM ANYONE ELSE, BUT, BUT I THINK WE'RE AMENDING THAT, BUT WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT APPROVING THAT SPECIFIC DESIGN.
SO IF THAT'S, WHEN THAT TIME COMES, IF THEY WERE TO DRAW SOMETHING AND LET'S JUST SAY RIDICULOUSLY THAT THE TRASH CANS OUT AND ABOUT, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE COULD ALWAYS REGULATE THAT AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO, TO TELL THEM TO HOW WE WANT TO ENCLOSE OR EVERYONE TREES.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS, WILL HAVE, WILL BE BROUGHT BACK TO US WHEN THAT TIME COMES, WHEN A DEVELOPER IS DEVELOPING ON THERE.
AND I THINK, UH, I THINK WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR IS JUST THE OPPORTUNITY TO AMEND THE CODE SO THEY COULD PRESENT THE PLANS NEEDED TO SHARE THEIR IDEA, UH, FOR THE FEATURE AND FOR A FUTURE, UH, COMMISSION MEETING.
BUT WHAT I BELIEVE IS THAT WE WILL HAVE THE, IF THEY WERE, IT WAS JUST SAYING THIS DEVELOPER HAS PLANS THAT ARE GOING TO COME BACK AND WE AMENDED AND THEY'LL COME BACK AND SUBMIT PLANS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
AND AT THAT TIME, UH, THERE'LL BE A PLAN REVIEW, A SITE REVIEW WITH A CYBER REVIEW COMMITTEE.
AND THEN IT'LL ALSO BE AT A LATER TIME, UH, A MEETING WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND AT THAT TIME WE'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATIONS LIKE WE DO IN A SITE REVIEW COMMITTEE REVIEW TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH, UH, THE UNIT, YOUR I'M SORRY, I DON'T, I'M NOT PRONOUNCING IT RIGHT UNIFORM MORE WHEN YOU FORGOT THAT WORD, BUT MAKING SURE THAT THINGS MATCH AND THERE'S, YOU KNOW, MATCHING WHAT THE ADJACENT HOUSING OR, OR THE TRASH CANS OR CERTAIN ITEMS. SO I THINK THEY'RE MASKING FOR SMALL, JUST CERTAIN AMOUNT OF FEET DIFFERENTIAL.
I DON'T THINK IT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE.
I THINK THE BIG DECISION, BIG DECISION WILL COME WHEN WE ACTUALLY HAVE PLANS IN FRONT OF US FOR AN ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AND, AND CAN WE BRING UP THE, SORRY, LET ME JUST INTERJECT.
THAT IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT A VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS WOULD DO.
YOU ARE SETTING THE STANDARDS AND YOU ARE WAIVING THE ABILITY OF THIS PLANNING COMMISSION TO MAKE A DECISION ON THAT MOVING FORWARD.
SO WHEN YOU SAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE DISCRETION ON THESE THINGS AND NOT SO MUCH NOT SO FAST, WHAT'S THE BIGGEST ISSUE YOU'RE HAVING.
IT'S THE CEILING, THE HEIGHT OF THE SEAT.
SO I, I W I WENT THROUGH, I'M HAPPY TO GO THROUGH AGAIN.
IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO COME TO US WITH A SPECIFIC PLAN AND SAYS TO US, HEY, WE THINK THAT THIS 10 FOOT CEILING SETUP IS IT IS GONNA, IS GONNA LOOK GOOD IN THE, IN, IN THE URBAN ZONE THAT, THAT, THAT WE'RE SETTING FORTH, OR THAT THAT'S SUBJECT TO, TO THIS PARTICULAR PORTION OF THE AMENDMENT.
AND EVERYONE'S IN AGREEMENT WITH IT FOR A SPECIFIC PLAN.
I DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT.
CAN WE BRING THAT UP, BUT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT IT IN THE CONTEXT OF A SPECIFIC PLAN.
WE'RE SAYING, HEY, EVERYONE WHO COMES FORWARD MOVING FORWARD 10 FEET, THAT'S THE STANDARD.
SO NOTHING MORE, I DON'T SEE IT ACROSS
SO WHAT'S CURRENTLY THE MINIMUM, THE CURRENT MINIMUM HEIGHT IS 12 FEET.
SO IT DOESN'T DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL, BASICALLY 12 FEET, MINIMUM HEIGHT.
UM, IT WAS THE SAME THING, SAME, SAME THING FOR COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL.
BUT SO ISN'T THAT THE WHOLE, HOLD ON, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S A, THAT'S NOT A TITLE OR WE'RE CUTTING DOWN FOR THIS ONE.
SO, SO IT'S INCREASING THE COMMERCIAL TO 14 FROM 12, AND THEN LOWERING THE RESIDENTIAL FROM 12 TO 10.
IT DOESN'T, IT'S NOT THE EXPLAINER AND NEXT TIME IT'S TRUE.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE SOURCE OF, I'M SURE MOST PEOPLE'S CONFUSION UP HERE BECAUSE I SEE THE PROPOSAL ORDINANCE HERE AND THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE, DOESN'T, DOESN'T OUTLINE THAT IT BASICALLY SAYS THAT WE'RE KEEPING A 10 FOOT MINIMUM STANDARD, WHICH IS NOT WHAT WE'RE DOING.
IN FACT, WE'RE LOWING IT, WATERING IT FROM 12 FEET TO 10, AND WE'RE INCREASING THE HEIGHT STANDARD FROM 12 TO 14 OR FOUR FOR COMMERCIAL USE.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S JUST NOT CLEAR IN THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE THAT, THAT IS PRESENTED TO US IN OUR PACKET HERE.
SO, SO IS THAT CORRECT? YOU VERY MISLEADING, SO, YEAH.
SO IS THAT CORRECT? CITY STAFF? UM, LET ME GO AHEAD AND CHECK.
ARE YOU LOOKING AT ORDINANCE ON THE SECOND AGE SECTION ONE, CORRECT.
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DIAGRAM THERE THAT IT IS, UM, INCREASING THE COMMERCIAL MIXED-USE TO 14 AND LOWERING THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT GROUND FOUR TO 10 FEET.SO RIGHT NOW, RESIDENTIAL IS WHAT, AGAIN, TROPHY SOMEWHERE ACTUALLY GIVES ME A BETTER CHANCE TO A DEVELOPER WHO MAY NOT BE A BILLIONAIRE AND WHO COULD DEVELOP.
RIGHT NOW, RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL ARE BOTH, UM, ARE BOTH, UM, 12 FEET MINIMUM HEIGHT.
SEE, UM, IN, ON THE DIAGRAM, AS YOU CAN SEE, COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL ARE BOTH UNDERLINED, SO THOSE ARE BOTH ADDED INTO THE DIAGRAM.
UM, LET ME, LET ME GO UP AND PULL UP THE DIAGRAM IN THE CURRENT UNIFORMITY.
WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING AWAY FROM THAT.
SO THIS IS THE D THE CURRENT DIAGRAM AND THE CODE.
SO IT JUST SAYS MINIMUM HEIGHT, 12 FEET, UM, FOR THE GROUND FLOOR AND MINIMUM HEIGHT FOR UPPER FLOORS IS 10.
AND CAN YOU, CAN YOU SHOW US THE MAP OF, UH, THE CITY PLAN? HOLD ON FOR ONE SEC.
UM, CAN I ASK OF QUESTIONS? I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE WE, IT SEEMS LIKE YOU MIGHT WANT TO GO KEEP THE HIGHER HEIGHT, IF THAT IS THE CASE, THEN I GUESS THE QUESTION IS WHAT IS A PROBLEM OR NOT A PROBLEM? UM, IS THERE A HEIGHT LIMIT ON THE BUILDING THAT THE DEVELOPMENT CANNOT DO? THAT MIGHT BE A PROBLEM.
SO WE MIGHT BE FIXING A PROBLEM INSTEAD OF TWEAKING HERE AND THERE.
DO I SAW, I DON'T THINK WE'RE FIXING A PROBLEM, BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS AN URBAN ZONE.
I, IF, IF, IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT DOWNTOWN LA DEVELOPMENTS, DOWNTOWN, PASADENA CENTURY CITY, YOU NAME IT, THEY DO NOT HAVE A 10 FOOT STANDARD.
I DO UNDERSTAND YOUR NECK BECAUSE THIS IS THE THING.
LET'S SAY THAT IF WE HAVE A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 25 FEET FROM RESIDENTIAL AREA RIGHT NOW, AND IF THE MINIMUM AND THE BOTTOM FLOOR HAS TO BE 12 FEET, THEY CAN ONLY DO ONE STORY OR TWO THAT'S MAX.
BUT IN THEIR CASE, SINCE OF BUILDING A ROLL HOME, THE FIRST FLOOR WILL BE THE GARAGES.
THE SECOND FLOOR WILL BE THE LIVING ROOM.
AND THE WHAT ELSE IS THERE? KITCHEN.
AND THEN YOU HAVE TO PUT THE BEDROOMS UPSTAIRS ON THE THIRD FLOOR.
THAT'S THIRD, AT LEAST MINIMUM 30 FEET.
AND THEN YOU HAVE TO ADD A LITTLE ROUGH FIVE FEET.
SO WHAT, THERE, THEY MIGHT HAVE BE A PROBLEM, I GUESS WE'RE NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? WHY ARE WE CHANGING ALL THESE THINGS? AND I KNOW WHEN I W I THINK WHAT I LOOKED AT MY RESEARCH, I THINK THE PROBLEM WAS FOR EXAMPLE, HERE AT CITY HALL, LET'S JUST SAY, THIS ROOM WAS A HOUSE RIGHT HERE.
I HAVE A, I'M JUST MAKING UP THESE NUMBERS ON HERE.
LET'S JUST SAY, THIS IS A TRIAL FEE, BUT THE ROOM NEXT DOOR IS 10 FEET.
SO THERE'S A, A DIFFERENTIAL IN THE HOUSING.
AND THEN I THINK THAT ALLOWING THE DEVELOPER THE OPPORTUNITY TO KEEP THE DESIGNING INCOHERENT ON DIFFERENT AND, YOU KNOW, DEVELOP ANY DEVELOPER AND THEIR ART DETECTOR CAN DECIDE HOW THEIR IE VISION, THEIR PLANS TO BE.
BUT WE ARE NOT, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT FUTURE HOLDS.
WE DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, BUT IT APPEARS ALL COMMISSIONER IS OKAY WITH A HIGHER, HIGHER HEIGHTS.
SO IF THAT IS THE CASE, AND, AND, AND IF THAT IS THE TRADITIONAL DOWNTOWN HEIGHTS, WHICH MIGHT BE TRUE, IF THAT IS THE CASE, THEN WE, THE DEVELOPER CURRENTLY, WE ALSO HAVE A LIMIT ON THEM.
THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT I BELIEVE IN THAT DOWNTOWN FORM IS 35 FEET OR 30 FEET.
JOANNE, DID YOU REMEMBER, UM, IT'S IT OR THE T4 URBAN ZONE? IT DEPENDS ON, IT DEPENDS ON THE TYPE OF HOLD THE ROLL HOUSE PROPOSED.
SO IF THEY MIGHT KNOW THE ANSWER, SINCE THEY'RE ASKING FOR THIS, UM, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE COMPUTER, THE COMPUTER RIGHT NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN CLEARLY I'LL ENLARGE IT.
SO FOR A ROW HOUSE BUILDING, UM, THE MAXIMUM HEIGHTS FOR A THREE-STORY IS 40 FEET.
EVEN IF YOU HAD 12 FEET, YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD STILL HAVE AN ADDITIONAL, AN ADDITIONAL FOUR FEET AT, AT THREE STORIES.
SO I, THAT'S WHY I, I, I DON'T REALLY THINK IT MAKES A LOT.
AND IT ALSO, AND I'M SORRY, SORRY.
NOW ALSO DEPENDS ON HOW THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL, UM, HOW FAR IT IS, HOW FAR IT IS AWAY FROM RESIDENTIAL.
SO THE BUILDING HEIGHT IS 25 FEET WHEN YOU'RE 50 FEET AWAY FROM RESIDENTIAL AND 35 FEET WHEN YOU'RE 100 FEET AWAY FROM RESIDENTIAL.
BUT IF YOU, UM, IF YOU'RE MORE THAN 100 FEET AWAY FROM RESIDENTIAL, IT'LL BE 40.
SO TO SOME EXTENT, UM, ACCORDING TO COMMISSIONER LEWIS,
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IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S, IT'S NOT MAKING A DIFFERENCE MAKING THESE CHANGES IF PEOPLE WERE TO MAKE THE CHANGES.WELL, NO, I THINK IT IS MAKING A DIFFERENCE.
AND IF, IF, IF, IF WE MAKE THESE CHANGES FOR, FOR THE DEVELOPER, I'M SORRY, I MISS, FOR EXAMPLE, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, AND, AND IT, AND IT DOESN'T EVEN HAVE TO BE, THIS DOESN'T EVEN HAVE TO BE RELATED TO A HOUSE.
THIS COULD BE ANY SORT OF DEVELOPMENT.
SO, SO IF, FOR EXAMPLE, DOWN THE LINE, THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A SITUATION WHERE THERE NEEDED TO BE A CONVERSION OF, OF, OF CERTAIN, CERTAIN BUILDINGS THAT, THAT ARE, THAT ARE SHELVES.
I THINK THAT WAS THE WORD YOU WERE LOOKING FOR EARLIER OF A BUILDING SHELL GOING FROM, FROM HYPOTHETICALLY RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL, UM, EFFECTIVELY, YOU'RE KIND OF, YOU'RE KIND OF PIGEONHOLING PEOPLE INTO THAT LOWER, THAT LOWER LEVEL.
SO LET'S JUST SAY OUR, OUR DOWNTOWN BECOMES MORE, MORE BUSINESS INTENSE OR WHATEVER REASON.
AND DOWN THE LINE, WE WANT TO ALLOW THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THAT BUILDING FROM A, FROM A RESIDENTIAL STANDARD TO A COMMERCIAL STANDARD.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT UNIFORMITY.
SO, SO W WE'RE WE'RE STUCK WITH HAVING THE LOWER CEILING HEIGHTS AND THEREFORE LESS ROOM SO THAT YOU CAN, YOU CAN HAVE DOWN CEILINGS AND PUT MORE INFRASTRUCTURE IN.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S JUST, UH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S JUST AN IDEA TO SORT OF JUST SORT OF CUT THE CORNERS ON IT.
WELL, AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK WE'RE, I MEAN, AS A COMMISSIONER, WE'RE JUST WHEN RECOMMEND, RECOMMEND, RECOMMEND, I WANT TO TALK RECOMMENDING TO THE CITY CONSULTS AND ENTER THE DATA CITY CONSOLE, MAKE THE DECISION, BECAUSE IT'S A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND I THINK THAT I DON'T, I THINK THERE, UH, WE SHARED ALLOW THE, UH, I BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD ALLOW THIS PROJECT TO MOVE FORWARD, BECAUSE IT, IT ALLOWS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS TO BE BROUGHT TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY CONCEPT TO MAKE THE FINAL DECISION.
AND WITH THAT SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO ADOPT, UH, SORRY, HOLD ON.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SHUT THE OPERA RESOLUTION NUMBER 21 DASH SIX ZERO SEVEN SIX RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF CODE AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO ZERO DASH ZERO EIGHT TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
UM, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? OKAY.
UM, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL MAKE AN ALTERNATIVE MOTION.
UM, I WOULD MOVE THAT, UH, THAT WE, THAT WE, UH, UM, REMOVE FROM, UH, THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE, UH, SECTION NUMBER ONE, WHICH WOULD CHANGE THE, UH, THE MINIMUM HEIGHT STANDARDS.
UH, WE MAINTAIN SECTION TWO AS IS, UH, WE AMEND SECTION THREE TO INDICATE THAT THE DEPTH, UH, CAN BE A SIX FOOT MINIMUM, FOUR SECOND STORY, AND ABOVE HOWEVER, THE EIGHT FOOT MINIMUM FOR THE FIRST FLOOR WOULD REMAIN IN PLACE FOR DEPTH.
UH, I WOULD, UH, I WOULD REMOVE SECTION FOUR, MAINTAIN SECTION FIVE, AND I WOULD ALSO MAINTAIN SECTION SIX.
AND THAT WOULD BE MORE, UH, ONE MOTION.
ONE QUESTION THAT I HAVE ON THAT CUMULATIVE THE AREA HUNDRED SQUARE FEET IN THE CODE NOW, IS THAT 200? NO.
IN THE CODE, IT SAYS IT JUST HAS 100.
IT DOESN'T EXPLAIN IF IT'S CUMULATIVE.
IT'S JUST BEEN, UM, INTERPRETED AS CUMULATIVE, SO, OKAY.
UM, WE SHOULD GIVE THAT OPTION BECAUSE SOMEONE MAY WANT TO PROVIDE, OR I THINK AGAIN, THE CITY CONSOLE HAS TO MAKE THE DECISION OR JUST THE RECOMMENDATION RECOMMENDATION BODY.
BUT AGAIN, WE WANT TO BE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT JUST CREATING SOMETHING FOR ONE PARTICULAR DEVELOPER, AND THIS IS WHAT IT'S STARTING TO DO.
IT STARTING TO RESTRICT THE OPTIONS THE CITY HAS.
THAT'S THE REASON WHY THEY'RE ASKING FOR THESE CHANGES.
AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY, NOT A PROBLEM.
HE MADE A MOTION OF VERY BUYING
CAN YOU REPEAT YOUR MOTION? I HAVE A SECOND BABY.
SO I HAVE TO GO FOR A ROLL CALL.
I'LL BE YOUR ASSISTANT TEACHER.
THERE WAS AN INITIAL MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER.
THERE WAS A SUBSTITUTE MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER LEWIS.
WAS THERE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION? IS THERE A SECOND TO THE SECOND, UM, COMMISSIONER LEWIS? WHAT IS YOUR MOTION AGAIN? COMMISSIONER LEWIS.
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WOULD BE, GIVE ME ONE SECOND.LET ME TO THE PAGE REMOVE SECTION ONE, REMOVE SECTION ONE, SECTION TWO, UM, AMEND SECTION THREE TO ALLOW FOR A MINIMUM DEPTH FOR THE SECOND FLOOR AND ABOVE OF SIX FEET.
HOWEVER, THE EIGHT FOOT DEPTH FOR THE FIRST FLOOR SHOULD REMAIN.
I WOULD REMOVE SECTION FOUR, MAINTAIN SECTION FIVE AND MAINTAIN SECTION SIX.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND FOR THAT? I'LL MAKE A SECOND.
SO WE HAVE ONE MOTION ROLL CALL PLEASE.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS, CLAIRE.
YOU ARE VOTING ON THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
YOU ARE VOTING ON COMMISSIONER LOUIS'S MOTION, CORRECT? COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS. I MENTIONED OUR GUTIERREZ.
NO COMMISSIONER LEWIS, MR. NUMBER, SARAH, A CHAIR, HANG AYE.
SO THAT MEANS THE SUBSTANTIVE MOTION PASSES THREE TO, I KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
THE DEVELOPERS ARE GOING TO WASTE MONEY ON THE PILLOWS OR THE CITY COUNCIL.
SO IT'S GONNA GO TO A CITY CONSTANT, NO MATTER WHAT.
SO THAT'S A EARLY, UM, DECISION.
UM, THIS ITEM WE'LL WE'LL GET FORWARD IS TO, UM, CITY COUNCIL.
UM, YOU HAVE NO NON-HEARING ITEMS TONIGHT AS, SO WE MOVE ON TO COMMISSION
[COMMISSION REPORTS/COMMENTS AND MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS]
REPORTS AND COMMENTS AND MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS. BUT, UM, BUT ANYONE WANT TO TALK ABOUT COMMISSION REPORT? WE HAVE A PLANNING.THE LEAK, UM, A WEEK OR TWO AGO, UM, A COUPLE OF OUR PLANNING COMMISSIONS HAD ACTUALLY ATTEND A ZOOM MEETING OR MEETINGS FOR THE, ON THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS.
IT'S BEEN A COUPLE OF YEARS SINCE WE WERE ABLE TO ATTEND.
UM, THIS YEAR WAS, UM, IT WAS GREAT.
UM, COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD ON TO WHAT THE MEETINGS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT? OKAY.
A COUPLE OF THE TOPICS THAT, UM, THEY TALKED ABOUT WAS THE, ABOUT THE RAIN ACCOUNT.
AND THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON WHAT WAS REQUIRED FOR THE CURRENT, UM, CYCLE FOR PEOPLE'S HOUSING ELEMENTS AND HOW TO COMPLY AND SO FORTH AND SO ON.
AND THE CHANGES IN THE LAW, THEY ALSO DID A SESSION WHERE THEY DID A MOCK PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, WHICH WAS DONE VIRTUAL BECAUSE THE CORONAVIRUS AND ACTUALLY WAS VERY INTERESTING BECAUSE WE HAD A CHANCE TO SEE HOW THEY WERE DISCUSSING WHATEVER ITEM IT WAS AND MAKING MOTIONS AND DIFFERENT THINGS.
THEY ALSO HAD A SESSION WHERE THEY TALKED ABOUT THE LEGISLATIVE CHANGES THAT ARE COMING DOWN THE PIPELINE AND WHAT THEY MAY MEAN FOR THE INDIVIDUAL COMMUNITIES AND SO FORTH.
PARTICULARLY THERE WERE SOME COASTAL COMMUNITIES THAT RAISED CONCERNS WITH THE COASTAL COMMISSION.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID LEARN ABOUT THE USE, UM, QUITE A FEW OF THE CITIES WERE POINTING OUT THAT THOSE UNITS WERE ACTUALLY, UM, BEING CONSTRUCTED BY INDIVIDUALS WHO WERE CHARGING A LARGE SUM OF MONEY, THAT IT WASN'T ACTUALLY, UM, BEING RENTED TO PEOPLE WHO WERE LOWER INCOME.
AND SO A LOT OF THE CITIES RAISED CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.
UM, IT ALL IN ALL, IT WAS VERY INFORMATIVE.
UM, THEY, UM, IT WAS, IT WAS NICE TO HEAR THE COMMENTS AND STUFF AND SEE THE PRESENTATIONS BY THE DIFFERENT SPEAKERS THAT THEY HAD.
UM, I LIKE TO ADD ON TO THAT TOO.
UM, IT'S ACTUALLY, IT'S A REALLY USEFUL, UM, MEETING FOR ALL NEW COMMISSIONER OR EVEN, EVEN I'VE BEEN COMMISSIONERS FOR A WHILE.
I MEAN, THE INFORMATION WAS HAT DAY IN AND DAY OUT FOR LIKE, UM, TWO, THREE DAYS.
SO I MEAN, OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT WE MAY NOT HEAR AS PLANNING COMMISSIONER IS THAT, UM, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT POPULATION INCREASE.
I MEAN, WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY SEVEN BILLIONS.
UM, NOWADAYS I BELIEVE WORLDWIDE THEY'RE ESTIMATED BY YEAR 20, 60 IS GOING TO BE, UH, UM, 10 BILLION OR SO IN TERMS OF POPULATION INCREASE.
AND ALSO APPARENTLY IN TODAY'S TERM, IT SEEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW, IN THE URBAN AREA, UM, PEOPLE TEND TO LIKE TO LIVE IN THE DOWNTOWN AND THE URBAN ENVIRONMENT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW, STATISTICALLY, THEY'RE SAYING 40%
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OF THE PEOPLE LIKE TO LIVE WITHIN THE CITY.AND THEY'RE SAYING THIS NUMBER, EVEN THOUGH BY WHEN THE POPULATION, AS THE PROFESSION INCREASE MORE AND MORE PEOPLE THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE NUMBER AT LEAST 60%, UH, IS, UH, WILL OR WANT TO LIVE WITHIN THE CITY AREA.
I GUESS THERE'S MORE SERVICE, YOU KNOW, MORE, MORE DIFFERENT OF A RESTAURANTS, YOU KNOW, THE SHOWS AND ALL THAT STUFF.
AND SEEMS LIKE, AND THAT BROUGHT US BACK INTO, UH, PROBLEMS OR NOT PROBLEMS. OR YOU CAN SAY, UM, SOME TYPE OF, UM, HOUSING ISSUES WE FACES ON A DAILY BASIS.
UM, THE ADU, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT, THE RINA, UM, THAT CITY ACTUALLY WAS QUITE INTERESTING.
I BELIEVE IF, I DON'T KNOW IF THE NUMBER OF IS, IT WAS A LONG, LONG DAY, AND THEY'RE SAYING THAT WHEN THIS WAS APPROVED, UM, A LOT OF CITIES VERY RESISTANT TO APPROVING THOSE TYPE OF PROJECTS AND IT NEVER GOT BUILT.
IT WAS THE LITTLE GRANNY FLATS OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
AND THEN AS SHELBY COMMISSIONER, SHELBY WILLIAMS, WHO I MENTIONED EARLIER, THERE'S A LOT OF STATE LAWS THAT JUST CAME OUT ONE BY ONE.
THERE WERE SEVEN STATE LAWS THAT CAME OUT THAT PUSHES FOR HOUSING IN, IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.
AND, UM, I DON'T REMEMBER ALL THE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE ABS, UH, AND, AND ALL THE RULES AND THE REGULATIONS OF THE HOUSING, BUT SURE ENOUGH, THEY WANT AND TAKE A LOT OF THAT AWAY FROM, YOU CAN SAY THE, THE RIGHTS AWAY FROM CITIES.
SO THEY'RE MAKING ALL UNITS, SINGLE RESIDENTIAL UNITS IN STATE OF CALIFORNIA.
IF YOU WISH TO, UH, WANT TO BUILD THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA IS PRACTICALLY TAKING IT OVER AND SAID THAT YOU CAN BUILD THOSE LOWER UNITS.
AND APPARENTLY THE NUMBERS, IT WAS INTERESTING BECAUSE IF THE RESIDENTS DO NOT WANT TO BUILD IT, OBVIOUSLY THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY BUILDING IF THEY DIDN'T ASK FOR PERMIT.
BUT IT SEEMS LIKE SINCE THEY OPENED UP FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS OR SO, IT'S 20,000 HOMES THAT WAS REQUESTED.
SO THERE'S SEEMS LIKE A B UH, I WOULDN'T SAY A DISCONNECT, BUT IT APPEARS LIKE, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW TO PUT THIS INTO WORD, BUT, UM, THE STATE SEEMS TO THINK THAT THE RESIDENTS WANTS TO BE ABLE TO BUILD THESE LITTLE UNITS AND THEY PUSH IT AND PUSH IT UNTIL TODAY THAT THEY CAN, AND THEY'RE ALLOWED TO BUILD, AND THE PEOPLE ARE BUILDING, UM, PEOPLE ARE BUILDING IN THE PAST.
WE DON'T KNOW WHY THEY'RE NOT VOTING.
MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ALLOWING THEM TO BUILD.
SO THE CITY IS MAKING A LOT EASIER.
ANOTHER THING IS WE GOT AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THEY, I THOUGHT THAT WAS QUITE INTERESTING AS WELL.
UM, IF ANYONE WANTS TO BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING, I MEAN, ANYONE MEANING DEVELOPER WHO WANTS TO BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING, I THINK CITY ALSO THE, OKAY.
I DON'T KNOW ALL THE INS AND OUT CAUSE THERE'S LAWYERS DOING THE PRESENTATIONS ABOUT ALL THESE RULES AND REGULATIONS, AND BASICALLY THEY ARE MAKING A LOT EASIER.
ALSO, IF YOU WANT TO BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING, YOU CAN INCREASE DENSITIES.
UM, YOU CAN BUILD MORE UNITS, EVEN THOUGH IF IT'S IN, WITHIN THE RESIDENT AREA, HOWEVER, YOU KIND OF HAVE TO SHARE IT WITH THE STATE OR THE COUNTY.
SO IF A DEVELOPER ON A BUILD, IT, THEY'RE BASICALLY SAYING I'M TAKING A FEW UNITS FOR LOW-INCOME HOUSING.
SO IF THE DEVELOPER LIKE TONIGHT WISHES TO DO THAT, THEY CAN ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, AND SOME OF THE RULES AND THE LAWS ACTUALLY TIED A LOT OF CITIES HANDS THAT WE CAN'T REALLY DO MUCH EXCEPT TO ALLOW THEM TO BUILD IT IN ALL SITUATION LIKE TONIGHT, THE DEVELOPERS ARE NOT INTERESTED IN VIRTUAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING, SO WE DON'T HAVE THE DOUBLE OR INCREASES AS THE UNIT.
HOWEVER, IF THEY WERE TO ASK FOR THAT, UM, I DON'T THINK THERE'S, I DON'T KNOW, BUT THE CITY PROBABLY HAVE TO COMPLY AND ALLOW THEM TO BE MUCH, MUCH MORE DENSE THAN IT WAS ALLOWED.
I FIND THAT QUITE INTERESTING.
SO THERE WERE LIKE SIX, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT COME OUT TO, TO HELP PUSH THE, THE HOUSING.
I MEAN, IN THE NEWS LATELY WITH THE PANDEMIC, THEY'RE SAYING THAT PEOPLE MOVING OUT OF THE CITY, BUT THEN IN THE MEETINGS, THE STATISTICS AND WHAT HAVE YOU THAT THEY'VE SEEN, IT SEEMS LIKE MORE AND MORE PEOPLE LIKES TO LIVE IN THE CITY.
SO I, YOU KNOW, WHO KNOWS WITHIN A COUPLE OF YEARS FROM NOW, MAYBE THINGS WE WILL SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEARER PICTURE, BUT I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW HOW LONG DEPENDING, UM, IT'S GOING TO LAST AND ALL THAT STUFF.
UM, ANOTHER THING THAT THEY WERE INTERESTING TO TALK ABOUT HOUSING IS THE RENA, HOW WE HAVE TO LIKE EVERY BASICALLY CALIFORNIA, IF I UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY, WE HAVE A SHORTAGE OF CLOSE TO HALF A MILLION DOLLARS.
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I'M SORRY, HALF A MILLION UNITS.UM, EVERY YEAR WE BASICALLY POPULATION INCREASED BY HALF A MILLION.
AND WE MIGHT, THE ENTIRE CALIFORNIA PROBABLY BUILT LIKE 120 UNIT.
SO THAT'S HOW, AND THEN IT APPEARS LIKE THERE'S A SHORTAGE IN, IT'S BEEN A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW AND WITH THE SHORTAGE, IT'S NOT HELPING IN THAT WAY.
SO WE CAN'T KEEP UP WITH IT AND CANNOT KEEP UP WITH IT IN SOME CITIES.
IT'S LIKE, WE'RE, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF LAND AVAILABLE NOWADAYS.
UM, WE EVEN JUST LIKE THIS DEVELOPER TONIGHT THAT CAME IN FRONT OF US, IT'S NOT LIKE HE'S BUILDING AN EMPTY LOT.
HE'S KNOCKING DOWN SOME TYPE OF BUILDING, BOTH DEVELOPER FACING US TONIGHT IN BOTH IN THE SAME SITUATION, KNOCKING UP SOME, YOU KNOW, LAND THAT MAYBE HAVE A LARGER LOT AND THEN TRY TO SUBDIVIDE IT AND MAKE MORE UNITS OUT OF IT.
AND INTERESTING, EVEN THOUGH, EVEN THOUGH IN, EVEN THOUGH THAT THEY HAD THE INCREASES IN THE NUMBER, IT, UM, IT'S KINDA HARD TO CATCH UP, UM, WHEN WE HAVE SO MANY, SO, YOU KNOW, NEEDS OF HOUSING IS DEFINITELY THERE.
IT SEEMS LIKE THE NUMBERS, UM, ARE SHOWING AND JUST LIKE ALL PORTION, THE CALIFORNIA, THE CITY OF WEST COVINA IS PORTION OF HOUSING.
IT SEEMS LIKE THE STATE IS WELL, WANT IT A WISH FOR THE CITY OF WEST COVINA TO COME UP WITH 5,400 HOMES, I MEAN, 5,400 UNITS AND NOT SURE HOW ARE WE GOING TO DO THAT? I MEAN, THERE ARE CERTAIN LIKE THE DOWNTOWN AREA WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW THAT, UM, THAT WE HAD SET UP A COUPLE OF YEARS BACK IS ABLE TO TAKE SOME OF THESE UNITS OFF THE REQUIREMENT THAT THE STATES ARE ASKING US TO BUILD.
SO, BUT OVERALL, I THINK IT'S A GREAT, UM, OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL THE COMMISSIONERS TO, TO BE ABLE TO ATTEND THESE MEETINGS.
AND IT'S JUST A HUGE LEARNING AND THE PACK WITH A LOT OF MATERIALS, A LOT OF THEM ARE PRESENTED BY LAWYERS OR THE LEGISLATIVE, OR IT'S JUST X PLANNING, COMMISSIONERS, CITY COUNCILS, YOU NAME IT, CITY MANAGERS, CITY PLANNERS, EVERYONE WAS DOING THE PRESENTATIONS.
SO I THINK, I THINK I'M, UM, I'M SO GLAD.
UM, SINCE I WAS CITY MANAGERS TO HEAR THANK YOU FOR MAKING IT HAPPEN.
AND, UM, I MEAN, IT'S BEEN, I'VE BEEN HERE FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS AND I THINK THE LAST TIME I HAD, IT'S ONLY ONE TIME, ONE OTHER TIME WHEN I FIRST STARTED THAT I WAS ATTENDING.
AND AFTER THAT, THERE WAS NO BUDGET.
SO THIS YEAR IT WAS REALLY NICE THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO SOMEHOW COVER UP, UM, TO, TO BE ABLE TO SEND A FEW OF US TO THE, TO THE MEETING.
AND I WISH EVERYONE CITY MANAGER, IF YOU'RE LISTENING, I THINK CITY STAFF, AND ALSO EVEN THE, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY IN THE FUTURE IS COMMISSIONERS TOO.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S WEALTH OF INFORMATION THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY GATHER FROM THESE THINGS.
WELL, ANYWAY, I HAVE ENOUGH, THAT'S IT.
SO DOES ANYONE ELSE HAS COMMENTS? SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A REPORT, UM, COMMUNITY
[5. COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR'S REPORT]
DEVELOPMENT DIRECTORS REPORT PAULINA.AND SO AT THE UPCOMING MAY 11TH MEETING, WE'LL HAVE THE TENTATIVE TRACK MAP.
UM, ALSO IN MAY, WE'RE LOOKING AT HAVING A JOINT, UH, STUDY SESSION WITH, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL REGARDING WHAT DAY WAS THAT? WE DON'T HAVE A DATE YET.
SO WE'RE SCHEDULING THAT, UM, IN MAY, UH, FOR THE GENERAL PLAN GENERAL GENERAL PLAN OR THE HOUSING ELEMENT UPDATE HOUSING ELEMENT UPDATE.
SO SINCE THERE ARE SO FOR THE BUSINESS TO CONSIDER THIS MINUTE, IT'S THE DROUGHT COUNCIL, UH, CITY COUNCIL ACTION.
[6. CITY COUNCIL ACTION]
SORRY.UM, SO AT THIS APRIL SIX, 2021 CITY COUNCIL MEETING, THE CITY COUNCIL VOTED TO UPHOLD THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S APPROVAL OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND SUBCOMMITTEE DESIGN REVIEW, AND SLIGHT MODIFICATION FOR, UH, 20 1208 HOLLAND CREST DRIVE.
UM, THE CITY COUNCIL ALSO APPROVED ORDINANCE NUMBER 24, 80 AMENDING PORTIONS OF CHAPTER 26 OF THE MUNICIPAL CODE PERTAINING TO ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS AND JUNIOR AID USE.
UM, THE SECOND HEARING IS SCHEDULED FOR THE APRIL 20TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
THANK YOU EVERYONE CHAIR AT NIGHT.
UM, IF I MAY, THERE'S A SECOND PAGE COMING ON WITH THAT.
UM, I THINK IS IT AN AND MAY 25TH, 25TH? WE HAVE, UM, THE, UH, MLC PROJECT FOR THE, UM,
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UH, VINCENT SCHOOL SITE PROJECT THAT WILL COME BEFORE YOU.SO, SO FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, THE MITIGATED NEG DEC DOCUMENT, AND ALSO THE, UM, UM, UM, INITIAL STUDY AND MITIGATED NEG DEC DOCUMENT, UM, HAS BEEN POSTED ONLINE.
I'LL GO AHEAD AND EMAIL THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE LINK TO THIS, SO THAT YOU, YOU MAY LOOK AT IT AHEAD OF TIME AND YEAH.
AND THE NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING WOULD, WOULD BE SENT OUT, UM, HIGHER TOO.
UM, I WOULD, I WOULD, UM, NOTICE IT'S, UH, 20 DAYS PRIOR TO THE, UM, TO THE 25TH, UM, THE RIGGER ORGANIZATION PAULINA.
OH, WHICH IS ME, WHAT MAY JOINING FIFTH, WE WILL ALSO BE DOING A, A ROTATION OF THE COMMISSIONERS.
UM, SO WE WILL, UH, DO A PR ELECTION FOR, UH, THE VICE CHAIR.